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M.A. Sumanthiran MP

M.A. Sumanthiran MP Interviewed by Namini Wijedasa

Hello Friends,

Talks between the Sri Lankan Government’s main constituent the Sri Lanka Freedom Party(SLFP) and the Tamil National Alliance(TNA)has currently reached an impasse.

The Govt which engaged in bi-lateral talks with the TNA has now suspended it unilaterally and instead convened a Parliamentary Select Committee.It now wants the TNA to participate in the PSC and forge a multi-lateral solution.

The TNA states that a bi-lateral understanding with the Govt has to be reached as a pre-requisite to the party deciding to participate in the PSC.

The issue has got further complicated by President Rajapaksa’s public announcements that “ Land and Police powers will not be given” and that “he had never agreed to 13th Amendment plus” regarding the devolution of power issue.

Senior Journalist Namini Wijedasa interviewed the TNA/s national list Parliamentaran MA Sumanthiran for “Lakbima News” this Sunday where the articulate lawyer outlined the position of his party on a number of relevant issues.

I am reproducing the interview in full on my blog with due acknowledgement to “Lakbima News” and Namini Wijedasa.

Here is the interview Friends-DBS Jeyaraj

“Tamils are a distinct people entitled to certain rights like Self-Determination in International law”

MA.Sumanthiran MP Interviewed by Namini Wijedasa

The Tamil National Alliance can bring even radical Tamil diaspora groups like the Global Tamil Forum and the Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam on board provided the government offers a ‘proper solution’ to the ethnic conflict, said M. Sumanthiran, TNA parliamentarian, in an interview last week. Excerpts:

Namini Wijedasa:
Will the Tamil National Alliance join the Parliamentary Select Committee to find a solution to the ethnic problem?

MA Sumanthiran:
TNA has said we will join after we reach a measure of consensus at bilateral talks.

NW:
Indian Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna said at a press conference recently that President Rajapaksa has agreed to implement the 13thAmendment in full. Did you discuss this during bilateral talks with the government?

MAS:
We never mentioned or made the 13thAmendment the reference point in bilateral talks. We merely told them our ideas as to how devolution should take place. They did not respond for a long time and they never responded formally to all the points. So we told them on August 4 that we won’t fix another date. Mr. Sampanthan then met President Mahinda Rajapaksa who agreed to bring to the table previous proposals that were identified. The Mangala Moonesinghe Select Committee proposals; three proposals produced during President Chandrika Kumaratunga’s time in 1995, 1997 and 2000; President Rajapaksa’s speech at the inaugural session of the All Party Representatives Committee (APRC) and Committee of Experts in July 2006; and the majority report of the Committee of Experts to the APRC. Those documents would provide the parameters within which we would talk. Our position is that there is an agreement between the president and Mr. Sampanthan and between the parties at bilateral talks. That must be honoured.

NW:
So you never discussed implementing the 13th amendment, in full or otherwise?

MAS:
We never made it reference point for this. But when we discussed the land devolution we looked at the present constitution. Our thing is that we don’t look at 13th Amendment separately. Our constitution has 18 amendments. We look at all. Of course, devolution is in the thirteenth. So we looked at that and how it can be made more meaningful. Since there is a concurrent list in the present constitution, we wanted to discuss that.

NW:
Would you be satisfied with a full implementation of the 13thAmendment?

MA:
We want proper scheme of devolution.

NW:
Isn’t it a proper scheme of devolution?

MAS:
The 13th is not a proper scheme. We have rejected it, to quote Prof. G.L. Peiris’s own words, as “fundamentally flawed”. He has given several lectures on the subject during President Kumaratunga’s time.

There is also a book. We agree with him, but the 13th is law today. So from a rule of law perspective our position is that you can’t be discussing whether or not you should implement the provisions of the constitution! That kind of discussion happens only in this country.

We had the 17thAmendment and a discussion about whether we should implement it or not! You must change it. But until you change it, you must enforce the constitution. Twenty-five years on, several provisions of the flawed 13thAmendment have not been implemented. President Rajapaksa has for the last six years been regularly threatening to implement the 13thAmendment in full. But he hasn’t done it yet.

NW:
Will you consider devolution without powers of land, police and finances?

MAS:
No, that is not devolution. There is no country in the world without land, police and financial devolution.

NW:
Perhaps that is the Sri Lankan model?

MAS:
It won’t be devolution. The 13th Amendment was passed in 1987. If it was sufficient, we would not have had all this bloodletting. All the proposals made since 1987, including those in the five documents we identified, look at going beyond the 13thAmendment and making devolution meaningful. All of those considered enhancing the devolution of land, police and everything else more than in the 13th Amendment. And all of them were government proposals.

NW:
Do you think the Sinhala people will agree to devolving land, police and financial powers?

MAS:
They will agree. If you do a survey…people want proper devolution.

NW:
Do you envision nine separate police forces in addition to a central government police force?

MAS:
There will be provincial police forces. But that doesn’t mean you increase the number of police personnel. It might actually come down. The policing function must be in the hands of the provincial government. Land, too. The province must have control over state land in that province.

NW:
Are you using international community to pressurize the government?

MAS:
Not in a direct way. The government seems to want to convince the international community of various things. So they go to India.

NW:
You go to India more often than the government does.

MAS:
No, if you take this parliament, the president went and met Indian leaders first. Then we were asked to come there and we went. It was the president who first went and spoke to them about the political statement. He issues joint statements with the prime minister of India about a political solution. They call us and talk about what’s acceptable to us. So we talk. Similarly with the United Nations Human Rights Council, they go and tell stories there.

We have never engaged in that process but last September when we found that Mahinda Samarasinghe made a statement there which was mostly lies about what was happening on the ground, we issued a statement saying all this was false. For whatever reason the government thinks it’s necessary that they must go around the world and tell some stories about us, about our people. And most times we find these are false representations. So we correct them.

NW:
Isn’t it a fact that the TNA MPs are mostly abroad?

MAS:
No, all of us are in Sri Lanka.

NW:
Maybe at this moment! Are you getting funds from the Tamil diaspora?

MAS:
We don’t have any funds. The Tamil diaspora doesn’t give us any funds. We contested the local government elections without any money. It was only recently that we even started a bank account for our party. We didn’t even have a bank account because there was nothing to put in it. We don’t spend for election campaigns because we don’t have money to spend. Our people know that and in our campaigns that’s what we tell them. The government is giving you all of these things. We don’t have anything to give you. So don’t refuse anything. Take everything and give us your vote. They have been faithfully doing that.

NW:
How much of your policies are fashioned by the pro-LTTE Tamil diaspora?

MAS:
Tamil diaspora doesn’t fashion our policies one bit. In fact in the 2010 elections, the diaspora did not support us. They supported another formation because they did not agree with the solution we put forward. Yet the people here voted for us. And after that, a lot of the diaspora groups have shown interest in working with us because they realised that people on the ground here have the final say. I have travelled to Australia and made contact with the Australian Tamil Congress. They have also published a book called ‘Blueprint for a Political Solution in Sri Lanka’ in which they articulate the solution within a united country. So I thought we can work with them. They are part of a global network called Global Tamil Forum which has members in 14 countries. We have engaged with Global Tamil Forum. In South Africa, while we were attending the centennial celebrations of the African National Congress, we met them. They also were invited. And after our meeting with them they have issued a statement supporting the TNA’s quest for a political solution within a united country.

That’s a shift in the Global Tamil Forum’s position. And we have told the government in our negotiations that we will get them also on board. Even TGTE… we are prepared to talk to them and get them on board if only the government will deliver a dignified and proper solution. The reason why they are standing out is that they are not convinced any Sri Lankan government will come up with a proper solution. Prove them wrong and we will get them on board.

NW:
There are two sides here. One side is numerically larger than the other. Why must a ‘proper solution’ necessarily have to be something that you, the Tamil parties, think is ‘proper’?

MAS:
It has to be what we think is proper. Otherwise, the majority by sheer force of its numbers is not permitting the democratic wishes of a numerically smaller people to have a say. In other parts of the world, when such issues arise they have a referendum. Not in the whole country. They have a referendum amongst that community. In Quebec, you have a referendum in Quebec. You don’t have a referendum in the whole of Canada to decide whether Quebec should separate or not. That’s the misunderstanding here. People think you have to ask the whole of the country. No, you have to ask the Tamil people whether they want to stay in the country or be separate. Everywhere it’s like that. Otherwise it’s a tyranny of the majority.

NW:
Are you still thinking in terms of separating?

MAS:
No, I used that as an example to show we are a distinct people. A distinct people in international law have certain rights called self-determination. The right to self determination international law now says must be exercised internally in the first instance. But if that is consistently denied, then according to the Canadian Supreme Court judgement on Quebec, they might even become entitled to a unilateral secession.

So, if Sri Lanka should remain as one country, and we think it should remain as one country, then to preserve it as one country you must grant that right to self-determination and have it exercised in an arrangement within one country. That must be given, that must be recognised. It’s not at the wish of the majority that it’s given. That is as a matter of right in international law that our people are entitled to… to have a measure of autonomy.

NW:
Where is your bargaining power?

MAS:
Bargaining power is the democratic wish of our people, nothing else. Otherwise, it’s a very dangerous thing to talk about bargaining power. In proposals made between 1992 and 2006, the government was willing to go much further than this. In fact, the Oslo Communiqué of December 2002 specifically talked about a federal arrangement. That was between the government and LTTE. If they were willing to go that far when the LTTE were around and today they tell the Tamil people you have no bargaining power so don’t even think of anything close to that…that’s a very dangerous message they are giving the Tamil people. They are telling them you come with the gun and we’ll give you more.

NW:
How long will you go on like this?

MAS:
As long as it takes! We are not going to surrender our democratic rights which we think is our birthright just because the going is tough.

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223 Comments

  1. Thank you very much DBSJ for posting this on your website. Thanks to Lakbima and Namini Wijedasa.This is, Interview at its best. Very straight-forward questions and plain and simple answers. Few months ago the dispora sycophants made a big fuss about Sumanthiran playing criket with Sinhala MPs. They should read this interview to know where Sumanthiran stands. I agree 100% with Sumanthiran who expressed the feelings of majority Tamils in the North and east. In general TNA is doing very commendable job in terms of the mandate given by the Tamil People. I hope the political perversion of this terror regime would end sooner than later.

    kanian

  2. these racist never want any integration nor reconciliation they just want exclusiveness. rather than asking to change the system so that it benefit all irrespective or race,religion ..etc, they want an exclusive ghetto for them self with a similar faulty system so that they too can act like a majority subjugating their lowcast tamils(as was it during the colonial times)…im just wandering how this exclusiveness is going to help the majority of tamils given that they live out side of their mythical ghetto..hypocrisy is the middle name of tamils..

  3. Internal self determination what all parties and Srilankan people
    can afford , it would be good for the future of Srilanka ,whole
    Island will be benefit of long lasting peace and steady social
    economical growth and avoid another civil war.

    But current brutal regime not yet consider this or even
    not amend what in the constitution for land and police
    power devolution ; will only lead to second option.
    All other parties should not support GOSL and face off
    their duplicity of the political solution.

  4. The Rajapakses are going down that path where they may go down in history as those who completed what SWRD recklessly started in 1956 – by destroying a country of different entities stitched together as a Nation the British created. The choice of avoiding this is entirely theirs.

    MAS is right in the assumption the vast majority of Sinhala South is for a final settlement. For some years now, the nore reasonable and articulate among them have openly yielded the Tamil people have much to be aggrieved about and that it is now the time to heal wounds. The Sinhala nation is not the JHU, PNM, Weerawansa, Champika, Gammanpila, Nalin de Silva, Gunadasa Amersasekera, SL Gunasekera, Dinesh Gunawardena and the many identified as virulent Sinhala supremacists. Neither is the Sinhala people the politicized clergy who appear to have broken many rules of the Sasana engaging in Party politics. They (the latter) have given up the spiritual world for material benefits.

    The Govt must not miss the points made here by MAS that the more powerful and active sections of the diaspora (GTF, CTC, TGTE) can be brought on board if the future, safety and security of the Tamil people are properly assured.

    For the sake of the unity and harmonious future of the entire country, one hopes good sense will prevail in the minds of the all-powerful Rajapakse Brothers.

    ISS

  5. Thank you Namini, Lakmiba, and MAS for the interview and DBSJ for reproducing in full on his blog. Now Hon Minister Prof GLP , it is your turn to reply to this MP, Lawyer MAS questions??

  6. ONLY A POLITICAL SOLUTION FOUNDED ON INTERNAL SELF-DETERMINATION BASED ON A FEDERAL STRUCTURE WITHIN A UNITED SRI LANKA WILL BE LONG LASTING.

  7. MP SUMANTHIRAN, Can you explain what’s so “DISTINCT” about Tamils. The root cause for the so called ethnic problem[according to tamil politicians] that they think they are “Distinct Community” in SL and in this world [especially these Vellala clan]. In india they are the neglected ,dejected minority. Indian central government treat them as shit.

    Humans are humans and there is no “distinct” humans in this world. TNA politicians baseless,stupid ideology of “Distinct Tamils” create more divisions in SL and it is a joke that they talk about reconcilliation. MP Sumanthiran, it is individuals actions which decide he or she a “distinct” person or not. It is equal to a community. And not because of some people born from “Maha Brahmma’s” belly button and the rest the normal way.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    I suggest you do some research into the term “distinct society” by which many refer to Quebec in Canadian political discourse to understand what Mr. Sumanthiran is saying. That is if you are really serious

  8. As a Sinhalese I’m for devolution of power and any such devolution should address immediate concerns of the people. We need to address the basic needs, housing, health, education, livelihood concerns, security and other social problems faced by the our Tamils in North, however, one must understand most of these problems are not just unique to Tamils but affects everyone in the country and whatever, solution should be acceptable for everyone.

    They will never be a perfect solution that is going to be acceptable as whole to just TNA or Tamil diaspora community or Government of Sri Lanka or its political partners. Each party will have to make compromises if we are to reach a meaning political solution. There always will be weaknesses in devolved of administration especially in a small country like Sri Lanka. In the same breath there are weakness in centralized government management. Sri Lanka’s political structure must change to accommodate good governance, transparency in dealings, accountability and development. Widespread incompetency, wastage, corruption and abuse of power will not go away with devolved administrations.

    I sincerely hope and believe that one day, sooner than later the government and Tamil parties will come to terms on an agreed basis of power sharing and propose a genuine process of reconciliation so that the our Tamils would regain their democratic right, livelihood, dignity, security.

  9. Mr Sumanathiran has pointed out very interesting clauses in International and Canadian law which he says are relevant to his people whom he refers to as “Distict”.

    In combination, these clauses give Distnct people a good chance of secession, if Govts do not grant their wishes.

    Now his demand is locallized referendas to determine whether the Distinct people want secesion.according to his quoted example of Quebec.

    Obviously if we aply this rule, the North, which is totally represented by the TNA will definetly give them a “yes” in a referendum.

    But what about the great majority of Disticnt people including the people from the North, who are living in the South, East, West and the the rest?

    Where are they going to cast their ballot?.

  10. at the outset i would like to record my opinion that a journalist i respect namini wijedasa questinairres reeked of hostility.this is my opinion i can be wrong.when srilankan government i guess now it is nearly three long years since the defeat of tamil tigers is still talking in terms of 13th amendment with pluses and doing nothing on the ground.any political group is bound to be frustrated.two days back mahainda rajapakshe announced that government cant do anything on 13th amendment and only parliamentary select committee is empowered to give its recommendations upon which government will act.it is nothing but deception.government is on a mission to hoodwink international community about devolution of powers to north and east.its real intent is to procrastinate so that international community will slowly shift its focus elsewhere.i agree with sumanthiran tamils are entitled for a fully devolved integrated province comprising of north and east with all land,financial and police powers.srilanka despite getting independence in 1940s has not understood the meaning of federalism means fault lies with its people.politicians and religious leaders should fan out to interiors of southern srilanka to explain the significance of federal set up and they also should allay the fears of sinhalese that transition from unitary setup to federal setup is not a precursor to separation.one thing has to be kept in mind world is integrating rather than fragmenting it is like people living in a big apartment unlke living in a big bungalow of yesteryears.living in an apartment does not mean that residents reside everywhere they all reside in their own flats similarly geography will not be redrawn but the barriers definitely will be brought down which will result in increase in people to contact hence sinhalese awake and embrace your tamil brothers join the party.machi open the bottle

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Dear Jagan
    Instead of wondering whether Namini Wijedasa’s style of questioning is hostile or not please look at the content of the interview and realise that such answers could materialise only in response to such questions.

    Different journalists have different approaches in interviews depending upon the person interviewed.

    Some adopt a friendly,non – confrontational approach. Some adopt a hard, adversarial approach.Some adopt a mix of both.

    The duty of a journalist while interviewing is to elicit information by getting the interviewee to talk. It is not a forum to demonstrate the journalists knowledge or display the journalists opinion.

    If a journalist seems to be asking sympathetic questions that does not mean he or she is sympathetic to the interview subject or cause.Likewise if the journalist seems to be asking hostile questions that does not mean he or she is hostile to the interview subject or cause

    I am talking of genuine interviews intended to elicit information not those with a soft or hard agenda where you bowl either full tosses for the batsman to lift sixers or bowl bumpers aimed at maiming the batsman

    In this case Namini has a series of probing questions and has succeeded in getting Sumanthiran outline the TNA position on a number of relevant issues.I think its a very very good interview which is why I posted it here

    I would also like to add a personal note and say that Namini Wijedasa whom I have never seen in the flesh is in my view the best English media Journalist of her generation in Sri Lanka today.I hold her in very high esteem

  11. Well said Sumanthiran. Let leave Tamils’ affaire with Tamils. They will bring the crime rate to the lowest level in their Territory. There won’t any begging. Reduce the child abuse, maternal deathes and infant mortality. SL governments are incabable to cope with problems arising in the modern society. Tamils will use their available resorces to live peacefully and supply food to SL . Can be a good Trade partner with SL . Provide job and employment for Sri lankans and help then at the Times of crisis.

  12. Yes We are beautiful, cultured and super intelligent. We want our beloved land ruled by our own people, not sinhala evil morons. Until then we will have no choice….fight for our freedom.

  13. M.A. Sumanthiran MP says:

    “As long as it takes! We are not going to surrender our democratic rights which we think is our birthright just because the going is tough”.

    Can it be understood as follows:

    “We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in North and East, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our homeland, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, north east or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our diaspora beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the India, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”

  14. We are not going to surrender our democratic rights which we think is our birthright just because the going is tough.

    If Sri Lanka should remain as one country, and we think it should remain as one country, then to preserve it as one country you must grant that right to self-determination and have it exercised in an arrangement within one country. That must be given, that must be recognised. It’s not at the wish of the majority that it’s given.

    We are with you MAS.

  15. @Kanian Poongkunran
    I appreciate your comments. Would appreciate more if you could alter your name a little bit, just to make sure that the followers of this blog do not mistake you for the original one, only if your real name is not Kanian Poongkunran.
    ISS is an ideal example where the person has added Ilaya in front of Seran Sengutuvan, thereby SS remains original.
    Thanks,

    BTW MAS seems to be a real MASS

  16. MAS ‘gave back’ what he ‘got’, without himself being abrasive or argumentative.

    … .. (from) a rule of law perspective you can’t be discussing whether or not you should implement the provisions of the constitution!

    … .. (they) are not convinced any Sri Lankan government will come up with a proper solution. Prove them wrong and we will get them on board.

  17. MAS had given good answers bu his party should win over other “distinct communities” in SL to reach his objective. If not it will remain a dream only.

  18. Dear Mr.SumNTHIRAN,
    i read with great interest and enthusiasm your intellectual and fully professional comments in this interview. In my personal view you have done a distinct service by the TNA having nominated you as an MP. When I am in SL next, circumstances allowing I will personally meet you to conmgratule of this and other contributions you have made and making in this most vital subject facing the Tamil Nation. Congratulation.- Kumarasamy from Australia

  19. KA like the MR siblings VP and some others is moulded as a Singhala Budhist Supremacist robot. Thus due to his/her genetic, epigentic, mematic and epimematics he, she or or it cannot think or feel otherwise.

  20. He could ask the people in the South to use the postal vote to decide which way they would like to go.
    I am pretty sure they would support the Tamils of North and East. If they are to be given the Land, Security and Finance with the Tamils brains they could do much better than the rest of the country.

  21. M.A. Sumanthiran MP singing the same song again again. He is not leading the people in new thinking. this self-determination is a political jargon and using to cheat Tamil people. I know this way he will keep his MP post like Sampanthan until his death. Nothing will happen to ordinary Tamil people. Last 30 years provided example,these TNA creatures not only spineless ( During LTTE time) but also headless( then and now) and not going to help the Tamils but like battered women continue to living with abusing man , Northern Tamils will live with them. Why I hate them they because harden the Sinhala chauvinism which people like us trying to soften.

  22. Mr Sumanathiran also brings up a few interesting points here.other than his legal expertise.

    He says “Sinhala people will agree…If you do a survey…They want proper devolution.”

    The great majority of people, including Sinhala people are all “ears”, to hear any suggestions from the TNA, as to how their current freedom and Economic rewards can be enhanced.by delivering them Police, Land and Fiscal powers.

    If Mr Sumanthiran can assure them that his TNA controlling the North wilh Police. Land and Fiscal powrers will lead to,

    more jobs for the rest,
    more money in their pockets,
    more facilities to visit , buy properties,and work in the North for who ever wishes to do so,
    and of course the freedom for the other Ethnics, specially the Sinhalese to marry the “Distincts”,

    this great majority will surely tick the correct box to hand over these powers to the TNA.

    Another point Mr Sumanathiran emphazises is his ability to bring the TGF, TGTE and other pro LTTE Groups including Militant groups such as the EF on side.

    Again the great majority will be keen to know how these Organizations can help bring home the bacon for them,for several reasons.

    One of these organizations threatended the current President of Srilanka with physical harm if he ever ventured in to their territory, and the Law Enforcement Agencies there couldn’t do much about it.

    These Organizations have and stll spending Millions of Dollars , in contributions to their Western Political parties, entertaining their freindly Political Leaders and employing powerful lobbyists to pull the pin on the Srilankan Govt.

    And most of the members of these Organizations and their followers have severed all their connections wth their ex motherland by adopting Foreign Citizenship.

    Going by the back log of refugee applications and agitations of Refugee Agengies in the West, itis a clear that even the tempory residents have no intention of coming back to their Srilankan Citizenship.

  23. Governance by Sinhala majority has over time led to systemic deterioration of country’s economy, education, law and order, international relations, individual freedom and wealth production.Can any Sinhalese kindly explain in detail to me and to yourself as to what Sinhala rule has ever achieved to the betterment of our country?

  24. February is black history month in the USA. The African American population ratio in the US is similar to that of Tamils in Sri Lanka.

    As was the case before “Tamil” oriented political parties presented themselves in the 70’s, the Tamil interests in Sri Lanka were championed mostly by Sinhala and Tamil MPs by way of the UNP as with the Democratic party in the US.

    Most African American “interests” in the US, are represented by the Democratic Party. There is, of course, conservative African Americans in the Republican party. This should be the model for Sri Lanka.

    In the US, Post civil rights era, an all black political party to further the African American cause would have been useless and demeaning.

    I do not believe the TNA will ever represent all Tamils in Sri Lanka. I believe, Tamil interests would be better served, if they were to re-join the mainstream parties, be the “King” makers and make a case from within to push for just legislation.

    TNA must dissolve as it is the dregs of the LTTE. In fact, all race based political parties must do the same. Sri Lanka must not go backwards and accomodate racist views whether they are the majority or the minority.

  25. The French come univited and the British come uninvited and name a landmass called “canada” Now they decide that those who live in QUebec can call themselves something else if they with. There is no way one can compare this to Sri Lanka. What people should have both tamil and sinhala is freedom. Freedom to do what ever they want in any part of the country. Self determination is a spent concept in this age of the internet. So TNA, get real and shed the LTTE coat.

  26. I suggest you do some research into the term “distinct society” by which many refer to Quebec in Canadian political discourse to understand what Mr. Sumanthiran is saying.

    But has recognising Quebec as a “distinct society” quenched the Quebecois desire for independence from Canada?

    To add to what Rana was saying, the Tamils certainly have a distinct language (esp Sri Lankan Tamils with their unique dialect) and a distinct literary tradition. However, these are things that can be learned and appreciated by any people, including the Sinhalese. It is the Sinhala neglect and ignorance, if not disparagement of these unique traditions that drive Tamil nationalism, not the unique aspects of Tamil culture themselves.

    Does that not suggest that the real solution lies in changing the Sinhala mindset, rather than the Constitution?

  27. I would suggest those who write here better convince their ideas to the posting rather than confront. I have been reading very long time and none of us able to convince either writer or the posting.

    Confront is easy and any idiot can do. Your writing should make either poster or writer to change their mind or view either totally or partially.

    For instance, When Former Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien were asked why are you doing business with China since China is the most human right violator in the world and you should not deal or do business with them. Chretien replied to Journalist that it is easy not to do business with them but if you do business with them you can be friend with them and friendly you can suggest bringing down the human right violation. And they will listen.

  28. The ethnic problem in our country has a history of more than 60 years and still some of these Sinhalese people have not understood its reasons.

    The North and East of Sri Lanka were occupied and Tamil dominated (majority) for many centuries. The Tamils are not trying to grab something from someone, we are only asking for our share which rightfully belongs to us.

    In multiethnic societies/countries like Sri Lanka where the ethnic differences is usually enough to create tension in the relation between races, if one race GRABS all the political or economic power for itself just because it is a majority, there will definitely be strong antagonism from other races, which causes political instability and violent confrontations as we have already see in our country.

    In such situations, no economic growth or development takes place, and therefore, the race which takes all for itself (Sinhalese in this case) will find that it would be owning all of nothing of the country that is politically unstable (involved in ethnic tension) and with an economy that not only fail to grow but would actually be shrinking, in the end, the race which grabs everything will find that it has nothing.

    On the other hand, if the races decide to share political power and economic wealth under a autonomous (federal) system within a united country, the chances are the country would be stable and the economy would grow, each race will get less than 100% of the political power or economic wealth but the growth of the country in both spheres will ensure that the portion that each race gets would actually be bigger than the 100% of the original political power and economic wealth.

    If I put in simple terms, it is better to own a slice of the political or economic cake which grows healthily than to own the whole of the cake that shrinks and disappears. That is, the races share political power and strive to redistribute wealth from the growing economic cake so as to ensure that every race has a fair share.

    This fair share is what the Tamils are asking for the last so many years.

  29. Well said Dr. Nadesan for the next sixty years TNA politicians sing same old song living a luxury life going in luxury cars with forighn trips abroad , tamil problem will not be solved if there is justification in their demands unless they do away with their homeland theory. The Red Indians,Mauries of Newzealand,Aborigines in australia are living in a land in a confined space should give a nation status according to the TNA theory. Up country Sinhalese are also distict people who lost their lands due to tamil settlements no politician so far adressed their grevences in parliament.What srilanka needs is food clothing and shelter for all people without dividing lands into ethinic enclaves as vote bases for politicians. Provincial boundries are geographical boundaries should not allow ehtinic boundaries for the whims and fancies of the politicians.Like Tamils have rights in the south buying houses lands in colombo or anywhere sinhala muslim bougher also should have the same rights, then only we become equal citizens.

  30. Tamils have been trailing along on trivial issues with lack of comprehension on co-existence. I have my views, which are resolute in that Tamils are making a big mistake, vexing & perturbing SriLanka, on political, economic and technological advancement. I think you would give serious thoughts in reforming the TNA policies to make it more real and practical in order to work within a strong economic and powerful SriLanka.

    You will agree with the real world that the previous Tamil politicians in the 40s & 50s, followed cheap racial politics with a view to hold onto parliamentary privileges. Now, TNA led by Hon Mr.Sampanthar should study the practicality in solving the issues leading to peace in the 21st century, as Tamils in SriLanka have been agonised, victimised more under the LTTE regime for the last 37 years.

    We, Tamils boast that we are a unique race with distinct culture, religion and language. I completely disagree on this notion. We are not a race but an ethnic group in the North and East. The ethnic group in the N&E consists of Malabar, Tamils, Telugus, Marathi, Karnataka, Portuguese, Dutch, Irish, Pilipino and what not. It’s like a Jaffna Sambar curry with lots of different vegetables, with the vegetables floating separately, however, one claiming sambar. My point is that we have to study history before bragging.

    Every part of Jaffna has its own culture & traditions, differing from each other. For example, Tellipalai is different from Araly, Karainagar, or Pandaitherippu. Tamils worship different gods. Although the Indians were wise enough to merge Vaishnavam & Saivam, make Vishnu the Brother-in-Law of Siva and brought all within one umbrella known as “Hinduism”, which nexuses all the divergences, resulting the hatred between them to evaporate.

    Tamils in the North & East are as if Nomads live in cluster groups. South Indian Kingdoms planted the ancient Tamil Kings in the N&E and they never had bestowed interest in the people of the N&E, except building temples. Those kings did not build any infrastructures similar to the Sinhala Kings. E.g Parackrama Samudra in Anuradhapura. Can we point out one similar Tank in the North, leaving the Iranaimadu in Killinochi?

    The pre-colonial period is considered a harsh & cruel period. For example, King Sangilian (whose true name is not Sanglian), had to camouflage himself to the natives to accept him as their ruler, and was interested in dances, religious activities, doing nothing to the people in the North. Ordinary People in the North lived like slaves carrying out their routines, except the Elites. Sanglian was quite particular in segregating different caste to live in different constellation groups and considered them low prohibiting them from acquiring knowledge.

    Let us take the language. The Tamils in the North & East copied what is in South India and implemented in the N&E. Culturally, wherever the Tamils came from brought their home culture and practiced in the N&E. Tamils in SriLanka were not ingenious enough to develop their own culture, language & religion in SriLanka. Tamils cannot definitely boast that they developed something in SriLanka. It was merely a copycat.

    However, to the contrary, the Sinhalese developed their own language, culture, customary practices, practicing Buddhism, which they are highly proud of and we have to accept their intellectual capability and the results achieved by them. Finally, it directs that the Tamils and Sinhalese are no different humans, but are brothers and sisters.

    We, Tamils in SriLanka have shown a high degree of racism and xenophobic approach to the GSL by titling political parties starting with “Tamil & TamilEalam”. Today, political parties have congregated to be either Tamil Elam or Liberation Tigers. This is an indication of high degree of racism and xenophobic. In the Sinhala sector, no political parties carry the name “Sinhala”.
    Have we thought why we carry the name Tamil in every nook and corner? Tamils should rid of this ill reactionary attitude of stamping everything “Tamil”. All are SriLankan irrespective of race and religion.

    Even in the 21st century, most Tamils inflicted with 12th century murky, mud-spattered thoughts of dominance over others are like that of animals in the jungle. “Fundamental & fanatic caste & creedal thoughts is a kind of psychiatric problem as it is outside human norms”.

    TNA members should think and understand with pure reasoning that a separate country is definitely not viable. Even a PC or a federal system is not economically viable as SL is a small country with very limited resources. Please do not draw parallel with Canada.

    Tamils need to be proactive, constructive, productive, practical, positive, helpful, thoughtful, considerate and thorough in their political ideology and performance to achieve peace and build SriLanka a powerful nation in the Indian Ocean.

    There can be only one government (GSL) and Tamils could be part of the government. If Tamils need power sharing, please think of an option of joining the governance. Tamils must realize that we are quite a low minority and power-sharing request should be absolutely reasonable.

    Finally may I point out that does the N&E have the necessary resources to run a government? Why is TNA drooping onto police & land powers, but not health, education and technology, which is considered vital and imperative for development? Do TNA have a hidden agenda? Power or language will not produce food for people to survive. Won’t it be like a vagrant or drifter trying to run a family empire with his suppliant?

    Reading back history, do you think all Tamils can live in harmony within a Northern Provincial Council, which is entrusted with police and land powers. Never, ever, can that possibility arise? It will be demise to SriLankan government, and a downfall to majority of Tamils.

    I did write you a nine page letter elaborating my experiences in SriLanka.

  31. Beautiful interview. Beautiful questions marked to bring out the answers from the heart. Probing questions. Sumanthiran has also come out well. Nice analogy of Quebec.

    It shows that though they are a defeated people they are certainly not going to surrender their rights. They are willing to wait and fight for it.

    But they should also be alert to the situation. Govt also has the duty to use this interval of peace to find a lasting political solution.

    HATS OFF TO YOU DBSJ FOR POSTING THIS INTERVIEW.

  32. Very straight forward answers to straight forward questions.
    Both speak the reality it seems.
    Simple but Good one!
    Thanks DBSJ Anna.

  33. Sumathiran for NE Chief Minister !!

    Very Good interview and straight answers by Sumathiran, one of the brightest minds and next generation of Tamil politicians. Hope and pray he is not bumped off by the Rajapakse goons … like so many other. I am afraid for Sumathiran’s life when such interviews being published in the Sinhala media… (even in this so called ‘moderate’ forum there is so much haterad towards him!)

    Dr. Nadesan, I support what you do for your Village in Jaffna and the way you stood against the LTT thugs. But, what you have been doing now to prop-up the Rajapakse’s has shown your true intentions..you have blood in your hands for protecting the Rajapakses for your own ends. Like Prof. Hole and Dr. Narendran (and others in the Diaspora 11)you will realise soon that the Rajapakse’s give two-hoots about the Tamils or their rights…this regime is only interested in power and money… You are no different to some Tamil Diaspora “Dr.s” who faned Prabakaran’s regime.. destiny waits for you to face the consequences of your actions..

  34. looks like the only way around the racism of the diasspora and the TNA is through a full scale ethnic integration of the North.
    the government should start by resettling the muslims who were ethnically cleansed from Jaffna due to the LTTE racism.

  35. Hi DBS

    Only an interview with my living God honorable Douglas Devananda can be called a INTERVIEW. All others with others are crab!

  36. Am I the only one who sees some kind of veiled threats from MAS? At a certain point it comes accross as if to say something along the lines of ‘If GOSL don’t give in to our demands, we will in any case be able to excercise our rights per international law’… which implies to me, ‘give us what we would be entitled to under international law, or we’ll get it anyway…’

    Living in the UK, I cannot see how a country which is much smaller (SL) than the UK can have separate police forces? It simply feels crazy to think in this way, why not work towards strengthening (and removing political interference) all such institutions instead for the betterment of the whole country? I know its an uphill struggle, but something we should be collectively fighting for on a united Sri Lankan front.

    Also living in the west as a Tamil, I have seen time and time again the GTF are a disgraceful bunch who have no interest other than filling their pockets and do not even try to help Tamils in SL at all. It is all bullsh!t – I remember when I was in school in northwest London around 2000, the LTTE [fronts] basically hired out Highschools and screened such videos as the fall of Elephant Pass and showed all sorts of other gruesome propaganda. Those who ran and attended those functions yesterday are the same ones running and attending GTF events. Let’s not fool ourselves – if MAS was truely for the Tamils goodwill at a minimum, he would not at all entertain the GTF.

    I liked MAS when I saw his performance in parliament against the 18th amendment, but other things he does makes me doubt his sincerety to humankind as a whole, i.e., entertain the GTF, and identifying with Tamils exclusively – maybe it’s my skewed view of things after being brought up in the West, but we really need to stop thinking along ethnic lines and really make SL the best that it can be, regardless of ethnicity.

    PS. Sandilyan – great post!

  37. Hi David,
    I am not impressed with this interview. Not long ago,TNA was supporting LTTE and was justifying all the VP’s action.I don’t think they are interested in Tamil people.This is all about to get the tamil votes.one of My relatives from Mullaitivu told me over the phone that present Government is better than any other devils.
    Lot of people talking about diaspora’s involvement with TNA and transnational tamil eelam Gvt. But the reality is lot of us don’t even know this TNA members. This is the first time I heared about this person. Also this Eelam Prime Minister who lives in US and what he knows about the daily life of the tamil people in Vanni. This is a Joke. Actually Part of the Sri Lakan tamils problems are created by selfish Jaffna people and their politicians. The other half of the problems were created by Sinhala racist Politicians. Ordinary sinhala and tamils have nothing to do with this.They are fighting for their daily bread. India is showing some interest in this matter because the recent support in Tamil Nadu for the Sri Lankan tamils. again it is a political game, nothing will change the average tamils life.Lot of diaspora have no involvement with this dirty politics. Lot of our children did not even know about this country.there are minority tamil diaspora involving in this politics, because they get financial benifit and popularity amoung the community.

  38. sandilyan,i salute you for the analysis.i am originaly from wellawatte/land of my forefathers.80 percent are tamils.we lived with them in 56 troubles.we sheltered and gave protecstion to them.we were minority then.sinhala people are not minority today in their attitude towards is peaceful.gtf,tpfg,ctc and ex ltte is only interested in downfall of sri lanka

  39. Dear Sandilyan:

    Political parties going by communal identities in plural societies is not an entirely healthy sign and those who do should review their positions. I believe there are many enlightened countries-societies that have made illegal political parties based on race, creed or religion on grounds of their being potentially divisive. Empirically, smaller entities forced to live side by side with the gargantuan larger cousins chose common labels-symbols to gain convergence based on group security. This in no way poses fatal danger to the large entity and is not of much consequence. The Sinhala polity is not entirely free of this aberration. If you recall Sinhala Urumaya (the right of the Sinhalese – along the lines of the philosophy of Don David Hewavitharna a.k.a. Anagarika Dharmpala “This Island belongs to the Sinhalese-Buddhists”) made much waves and metamorphosed into Sihala Urumaya in the Tilak Karunaratna days. Realising this was engaging criticism within and outside the county, they dovetailed into the present JHU – and remain the senior partner there, even, arguably, challenging the might of the Rajapakse regime in the matter of the 13th Amendment.

    Separatism, you fear,is now totally out of the Agenda – a recent development any political leadership in the South should seize to usher in the seriously needed reconciliation.

    ISS

  40. So, Doctor Noel Nadesan, you have prescribed ‘death of Sampanthan’ as the medicine for Tamils’ issues? Careful, you’re giving an idea to Gotha ( or White van Duggie). …………That is what previous Sinhala governments thought too. They thought, after S.J.V., then with V.P’s death, there won’t be any more Tamil problem. You, Rajapakses, ‘White Van’ Duggie, or even TNA can’t decide what Eelam Tamils want. Only Eelam Tamils would decide, and they have been consistently expressing their desire through ballots. Eelam is a nation, and Eelam Tamils have the right to self determination, according to international laws.

  41. No one denies that Tamils are a distinct race. We all know that Tamils are over sixty million all over the world and almost all of them live in Tamil Nadu. Not even 5% of ‘all Tamils’ live in Sri Lanka. For that reason alone they shouldn’t expect self determintion etc in Sri Lanka. They should ask that in Tamil Nadu. For another most Sri Lankan Tamils live outside the area they call traditional home land of Tamils. Every inch of Sri Lanka should be available for all races. There should not be bantu lands or laws that could lead to Bantu land concept.

  42. Can somebody tell me the % of this distinct population in SL?
    I think it is 5%. Wait till the new senses coming out!
    Out of that, more than 1/2 lives among Sinhalese.
    OK let us give the control of 1/3rd of the country to 2.5% of the Distinct people.
    So they can stop Sinhalese coming into north and east and form their utopia.
    That is some fair devolution!

    This is the real color of the racism, No wonder Mahinda does not trust these people. After all the bloodshed still burning with vengeance and hatred. Keep going lads. Sinhala racists will not have to do anything to sort you out, You are sorting the problem for them.

    Soon both north and east will be occupied by the majority Sinhalese and you will have your ELAM in Canada.

    You can say Scarborough is an area occupied by a DISTINCT community and so you can ask for a referendum for ONLY for Tamils living in Scarborough for separation. The Canadian government will respect your wish and hand you your EELAM in a platter!

    We need more realistic politicians from North and east to represent Tamil people than these idiots. Otherwise god bless the poor tamil people.

  43. jey i accept what you said.i also have high regard for namini wijedasa.i have read many articles of hers.but my feeling is questions should have been moulded littl pe bit positively.let it pass.i think sumanthiran comes out of the interview as a true leader.he has to go down to the field and interact with lower sections of tamils this can only bolster his case for the leadership of tamils.here i would provide a suggestion why not tamil national alliance include hill tamils they are also tamils and this unity can strengthen the case of tamils as a whole.thanks jey once again for this interview which has once again highlighted the rights of tamils.jey is there a possibility of you organising a foundation which can take up welfare in north and east we will be much more than happy to contribute.please give a thought.

  44. Question to Sumanthiram:

    Do you believe in the equitable divsion of land and powers between the 3 communities in Sri Lanka?

    If so, are you prepared to accept Police, Land and Fiscal powers for no more than a 11.8% share of the land which is the proportion of Tamils in Sri Lanka? (instead of the 35% of the combined Northern and Eastern provinces).

  45. Sumanthiran Sir, While I would like to agree with what you said, I have my own doubts whether it is practical.

    You are saying that Tamils are distinct race. Yes. granted. they are distinct people. They need some kind of limited powers to look into their matters, to preserve their culture etc.

    You have to look into the reality also.

    You should help India to help you.

    VP said ‘No’ to the 13th amendment. What he could give was only death and destruction to the Tamils there.

    While I can understand his deep rooted distrust towards the Sinhalese rulers I also feel he has not done enough or rather anything to grab hands of peace extended to him.

    After the 1983 riots the whole of India was aghast about them and Madame Prime Minister Indira Gandhi wanted to do a Bangladesh on the Sri Lanka.

    Then her advisors said to her that a divided sri Lanka was not good for the security of the India.

    Then she dropped the idea of doing a Bangladesh onto the sri lanka.

    IF SHE HAD WANTED TO DO IT SHE COULD HAVE VERY WELL DONE IT. GEO POLITICAL REALITIES PREVENTED HER FROM DOING IT. AND THOSE GEO POLITICAL REALITIES DO PREVAIL EVEN TO DAY.

    Rightly or wrongly India considers that the Sri Lanka is an extension of the Indian subcontinent. Whatever happens to the Sri Lanka will affect the India.

    That is the reason that India is not supporting the Eelam project.

    If today Tamils win their eelam in sri lanka then voices for liberation of Tamil Nadu will be heard from Tamil Nadu. Don’t forget the slogan ‘Tamil nadu for Tamils’ which reverberated in the main land India not long back.

    India is a collection of different Nations. And if Tamils wanted to separate and actually separated then the Telugus, Kannadigas also will want their separation and India will not be there as a country. This is the worry in the South Block.

    That is the reason they were telling when VP was there that they would accept any solution within United Sri Lanka. They also said that any settlement should respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the sri lanka.

    If Indira Gandhi had wanted to do Bangladesh she would have done it then itself. She didn’t do that.

    When some of her advisors asked her what we will get for the Tamils there in the island and suggested they be given the powers of the Union Territories of the India, she said that they be given the powers of the States of the Indian Union.

    That is the farthest one can go and India can go.

    Again you are ambivalent in your stance on 13th amendment. Say you want it or not. Don’t play with the words.

    If you asked for the 13th amendment then India would support you, I presume.

    Now you are not for it and MR conveniently says that since you are also not willing for that he is also not willing for that.

    In these circumstances what can India do other than asking you to talk it out in PSC.

    Even in PSC it is difficult that you will get anything beyond the 13 and even getting 13 itself is improbable.

    You can talk about Quebec. India will not allow any referendum like Quebec to happen in Sri Lanka.

    VP didn’t clutch the hands of India and he perished. MR held on to the hands of India and he defeated VP.

    If both of you do not hold on to India now, then India can only look on and do nothing.

    We in India are living happily here and this 13 gives you the powers to do the same thing. Grab it and don’t ask for anything more or anything less.

    There is something called being ‘Just Reasonably Content’. Both you and the Sinhalese have to use those yard sticks.

    That will solve the Tamils problem.

    You said the people in the South will accept devolution if you do a survey.

    How do you know that Tamils will not want 13 and they want more than that. Have you done any survey for that.

  46. Holding one’s own views is quite healthy. What is not healthy is arguing, without rhyme or reason, that the view of others is inferior.

    The argument begins, ‘Tamils have been trailing along on trivial issues’. The word of impact here is, ‘trivial’. Which issues are trivial? Who decides that ‘those’ issues are, in fact, trivial. By the way, triviality is very relative.

    It continues, ‘with lack of comprehension on co-existence.’ This is a blanket assault on the intellectual prowess of the next soul. ‘Co-existence’ requires among others mutual respect and understanding, as the prefix ‘co-‘ entails.

    It goes on, ‘I have my views, which are resolute’. Does this ‘resolute’ stand for being firm, or, just being inflexible. Those two attributes have distinct contextual connotations.

    Continuing, ‘in that Tamils are making a big mistake, vexing & perturbing SriLanka, on political, economic and technological advancement.’. Do I hear from you that, ‘SriLanka’ is the entity with which Tamils are refusing to ‘co-exist’. Go back to 1948, for what it is worth.

    Now, there is a sudden ‘about turn’ when the continuation is, ‘I think you would give serious thoughts in reforming the TNA policies to make it more real and practical in order to work within a strong economic and powerful SriLanka.’ What a transformation within just a few paces. ‘SriLanka’ is no longer the separate entity Tamils refuse to ‘co-exist’ with.

    Suddenly, in a big grab of a ‘partner’, the argument goes, ‘You will agree with the real world that the previous Tamil politicians in the 40s & 50s, followed cheap racial politics with a view to hold onto parliamentary privileges’. Who are these ‘real world’. What makes you believe that the ‘real world’ has condemned the position of Tamils.

    Why do you add ‘race’ as the all encompassing adjective to separate Tamils. Do Tamils not possess ‘a distinct culture, religion and language’. Culture is the base; Practices keep evolving.

    I’ll concede the following argument of yours to you: ‘My point is that we have to study history before bragging’. I urge you: Study. Let me go to bed.

  47. This nonsense, which confuses autonomy with self determination, calls for a referendum on whether the Tamils wish to separate, and uses Quebec as a model, only plays into the hands of the extremeists and will not obtain the endorsement of even the most liberal and progressive of Sinhalese. Would secular, democratic, federal India agree to a referendum on Kashmir? No, and rightly so. Would any Southern political party, ranging from either faction of the UNP to the JVP breakaway, agree to this poppycock? No. Would any state in Asia, ranging from the Philippines to Nepal, practice such a formula? No. This mindset is a formula for a decades-long freeze.

  48. Lovely interview by an intelligent Sinhala devi. She made Sumanthiran squirm with her question arrows.Namini is truly a warrior queen!

    I salute thee Queen Namini and humbly prostrate myself at your lotus feet and shower your sandals with a

  49. MAS is a talented person in TNA. I am not sure what is in TNA’s mind. I think they should be bit more open on their agenda. If they are not with 13th amendment, then they should clarify what are the issues in 13th amendment and give their fix to the issue. Yes we can reject everything comes on our way, but what do we want? At least can you(TNA) say what your proposal to the public is?

    srinath.gunaratne says “You can say Scarborough is an area occupied by a DISTINCT community and so you can ask for a referendum for ONLY for Tamils living in Scarborough for separation. The Canadian government will respect your wish and hand you your EELAM in a platter!”

    I find many use similar argument as a defense to prove GOSL’s point. One needs to look beyond to understand better. I don’t think Tamils living in Scarborough are equal to Tamils in North East of the Island. But Tamils in NE may be relate to French speaking people in Quebec to some extend; NE is homeland to Tamils long before French arrived in Quebec or even any human (natives) occupied the Quebec lands.

    Anonymous says “Not even 5% of ‘all Tamils’ live in Sri Lanka. For that reason alone they shouldn’t expect self determination etc in Sri Lanka.”

    nath says “..We lived with them in 56 troubles.we sheltered and gave protecstion to them..”

    Tamils are OK with co-existence as long as their rights are protected. When British left, Tamils choose to co-exist with Sinhalese until Tamils realized their mistakes through repetitive government organized racial riots opened against them from 1948 to 1980s… Yes, you may apologize now and say it was some bad apples, but what is the guarantee you have for Tamils that there will none of those bad apples will be re-elected in the future to spoil the racial harmony again?

    Sandilyan says “South Indian Kingdoms planted the ancient Tamil Kings in the N&E and they never had bestowed interest in the people of the N&E, except building temples….Can we point out one similar Tank in the North, leaving the Iranaimadu in Killinochi?…”

    Community gathering places were the important landmarks in human civilizations. I am sure you know how many viharas we have in Island build in ancient times… But I am not sure how many of the Infrastructures build by Tamils are now claimed as built by Sinhalese or simply destroyed, no body knows!

    Sandilyan says “.. and was interested in dances, religious activities, doing nothing to the people in the North….”

    King Sangliyan may not have done much to his people as many other kings but is that means Tamils need to be ruled by Sinhalese? Are you claiming Tamils have no administrative/presidency skills.

    Sandilyan says “…Tamils in SriLanka were not ingenious enough to develop their own culture, language & religion in SriLanka. Tamils cannot definitely boast that they developed something in SriLanka. It was merely a copycat….”

    Physical distance from Madras to Kanyakumari is more than from Ramanthapuram to Amparai. Why re-invent the wheel? Tamil is one of the oldest living languages in the world. Also Tamil is too rich to take us for many more centuries (including modern/electronic era) to come without any flaws. Just for the thoughts, Can you deny that “Tamil and Pandiyan Culture that took some Pali & Sanskrith into it to evolve today’s Sinhala”?

    Sandilyan says “…Even a PC or a federal system is not economically viable as SL is a small country with very limited resources. Please do not draw parallel with Canada…”
    You right, Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world, but then can we draw parallel with Switzerland?

    Sandilyan says “….There can be only one government (GSL) and Tamils could be part of the government. If Tamils need power sharing, please think of an option of joining the governance. Tamils must realize that we are quite a low minority and power-sharing request should be absolutely reasonable…”

    If Tamils join the government, the power will be shared with Tamils? In democracy every election a different party may come to power. Should Tamils join the winning party regardless of that party’s policies, just because Tamils are minority?

  50. Dr.Nadesan is trying to declare null and void legal principles(Rights of the ‘peoples’ as distinct to ‘people’-Right to self determination etc.) and case law precedence (Quebec). He I believe is a medical practitioner in Australia. He should realise that it is not possible for individuals to change such matters enshrined in U.N. declarations,Charters and Conventions.Persons like Sumanthiran apart from learned in Law is also a democratically elected/ nominated-( I believe Nadesan may know that to nominate a Person from the National list, his name has to be gazetted first and based on the number of votes gained by a Party in all, the number of nominated M.Ps entitled to a party is decided) Member of Parliament in Sri Lanka, he has all the right both as a Lawyer and M.P.to talk on behalf of his peoples on matters of Law and their rights.I don’t understand how Dr.N has softened the attitude of the Sinhalapeople or government or those few who actually run the government. Post May,2009 in fact the human rights violations in the NE, militarisation of the NE by increase of the number of Armed forces stationed there and interference with civil administration has in fact increased.The presence of an uneducated Minister in the helm of affairs in the North and another of the same ilk as the CM in the East has not helped to ease the situation either.I am sure Dr.N knows that both the Governors of North and East and the G.A. of Trinco District now for a long time are Former Armed Forces men. In what way has Dr.N.has he fought to change the situation, 34 months after Mullivaikkal or even before that?Is the situation in Australia similar or is it the reason that it is not so makes him to live in Australia?(Please note that my points remain valid even if he lives in SL.)

  51. May be much Tamils won’t support, but I am in with Sandilyan’s view. We have to think and act pragmatically, specially this time.

    Bala M.

  52. I have always felt that Tamil speaking, especially those from the North of the country are the worse enemies to their own people.
    Their downfall is due to lack of unity/jealousy and superiority complex towards others including Tamil speaking communities in the east and Up-country Tamils.
    As an Indian origin I have always felt this superiority my class mates had towards others.
    I see this arrogance in the UK too.
    They have no compassion for their own people who are at the lowest starta of society ie the failed asylum seekers who are without shelter and food.
    The thriving temples do not encourage them to come and have a meal in the temples and as far as I know they do not do any charity to support thier own who are displaced in foreign countries. On the other hand they can have food from Guruduwaras(seikh temples) and churches and other charities.
    Adding insult is the attitudes of some Tamil solicitors who are cheating their Tamil speaking clients left right and centre and making money.
    Charity has to begin at home first. If there is no compassion towards your own people, when they are suffering in a foreign country, is it going to appear when a seperate homeland is given?
    Moreover the Tamil speaking population from upcountry might not want to move to the North and I am sure the feelings with the Batticolo people will be the same.
    I think we ordinary people should ignore the politicians and try to build bridges between communities and as Gandhiji said lets BE THE CHANGE WE WANT TO SEE.

  53. Mahesh, MAS didn’t mean what you meant when he gave this interview. He was very honest to say that they will get Diaspora on board if an amicable settlement is reached. If any Indian states be that Tamil Nadu, Gujarat or Maharashtra would want to break away from the Indian Union they must be born losers, and the stupid idiots.

    Tamil Nadu has everything (like every other states),a Tamil can became a Prime Minister (Kamaraj Nadar from your state had an opportunity to become the Prime Minister of India, but he preferred to be a king maker rather than a king) and anyone can become the President of India, there were some Tamils held that position, last Tamil president being His Excellency Abdul Kalam, and the first Governer General being Rajaji.

    I would say the maximum Tamils expect is what you have in your country, but Tamils have to play a different ball game in Sri Lanka, to get what they want. Tamils Sinhalese problem is not a problem at all if we had leaders like what India had. You are fortunate because on the top you had statesmen, not politicians. They were capable to manage the Conservative Hindu Majority and create a New India, a secular India with a vision. But do we have that situation? There was a gigantic wave soon after the LTTE defeat, and in that wave MR could have very easily created a new Sri Lanka. But alas, like his predecessor, he too missed the bus, but still there is hope. Although it does not show on the surface, his popularity has already started to wane, and now he has to satisfy those extreme elements to be in power. Had he taken a bold decision then he could have kept everyone’s mouth shut.

    MAS didn’t mean separation but he gives a soft warning….if….if…if…..

    Their fear that the committee is a trap is understandable given the track records of Sri Lankan Governments.

    Will wait and see what they (Government and the committee) will offer.

  54. Kashmir is not the right example here. Even a high-school student of the Kashmir issue knows that the Pakistani army planted hundreds thousands of Muslim outsiders in the Valley who chased out most of the Hindus – including a large number of Pandits.
    In the 6 decades since J&K has been a haven of Islamic Fundamentalists fromm outside.
    Some similarities in rendering the Tamils of Trincomalee to posion No.3 and the rest of EP no less.

    The Rajapakse prognosis is a “home grown solution” An all-Island Referendum where 80% of the people are Sinhalese and nearly 10% Muslim will be meaningless to Tamils.
    Now that the Separate Station not is outside everyone’s Agenda a Referendum in the NEP for a Tamil-Speaking Province might be the answer. The obstacle is which Census to apply?

    ISS

  55. There is certainly some merit to de-centralisation of police powers. Provincial police will be in a position to tackle local law-and-order more effectively.

    Economy is different kettle of fish. If TNA thinks it can raise required taxes to fund health and education then make a plan, get a reputable accountant to audit and publicise the report. Try Point Pedro Institute of Development. – http://pointpedro.org/. Can it afford free education and health? TNA should think before it leaps.

    Land is more contentious issue that does not need a resolution straight away. All of Sri Lanka are not really against devolution of powers. They are probably against when the motive for devolution is not economic or administrative. The motive of TNA is to appease handful people interested in preserving culture and underlying caste systems. Preserving this kind of culture that gave birth to something hideous as Prbarakaran is not worthy or preservation. Prabarakan did not come into being as entirely as result of government policies. Prabarkan was also for secularism indicating an urge to free Jaffna from oppressive primitive caste structures. Jaffna must first bring back Moslems it chased away. Then more Sinhalese will have to be encouraged to come and settle. The low caste Tamils must be given equitable access to resources. Once Jaffna represents true flavour of Sri Lanka, other kinds of devolution will not be a problem.

  56. .
    The interview and the comments….

    It’s very clear that we Lankans are stuck between the extremists (Lions and Tigers).

    🙂

  57. Dr Dayan Jayatilleka says: … .. This nonsense, which confuses autonomy with self determination.

    * Which ‘nonsense’ confuses.

    Autonomy is a democratic tool that achieves personal freedom. Self-determination is the right of a nation to choose the form of Government it wishes to have. These two are not necessarily disparate.

    Since Independence the Sinhalese Governments have made it hard for Tamils to find peace within a Unitary State. Do not re-invent history.

    Tamils have a choice. You have a choice.

    Tamils seek Autonomy, the tool that assures peace to both you and me. How is your equilibrium upset by this demand of Tamils. Why should it deprive us the endorsement of the liberal and progressive among you. Now, you confuse me!

  58. Dear Surya

    Can you deny that “Tamil and Pandiyan Culture that took some Pali & Sanskrith into it to evolve today’s Sinhala”?

    Yes, we most certainly can deny that because the epigraphical evidence does not support that conclusion. Sinhala language had influence from Tamil, Pali, and Sanskrit, but it has always been essentially an Indo-Aryan not Dravidian language.

    If you are correct though that Sinhala is nothing more than the outgrowth of Tamil culture, then doesn’t that totally debunk the idea that the Sri Lankan Tamils are a distinct race????

    You right, Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world, but then can we draw parallel with Switzerland?

    No you are absolutely correct, Canada and Switzerland are both completely different from Sri Lanka and it is utter nonsense to suggest that Sri Lanka can adopt their modes of governance.

  59. Panhinda

    Provincial police will be in a position to tackle local law-and-order more effectively.

    Why will they be more effective? What will happen if a criminal goes from one Province to another? How will separate police forces coordinate their efforts?

  60. ;Kuppu says
    “Sumanthiran reminds me of the all knowing Gecko(palli) which fell into the pot of stew(kool)”

    Humorous but I remember a better one
    “Ellorum eri viluntha kuthirayile sakkadathar eri sarukki viluntharam”
    (there was a horse which could not be tamed by anyone:then Sakkadathar said he will tame the untameable and got on the horse-and fell down)

    PS: The horse was ultimately sold for a song to a Chinaman to draw his cart.

  61. Correction – “Separate State option Now”. Typo error resulted in printing Separate Station. Apologise.

    ISS

  62. Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    Would secular, democratic, federal India agree to a referendum on Kashmir?

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    You cannot compare Kashmir here, though one will be tempted to do it. Kashmiris can become Prime Minsiters, Presidents, etc and they always have been represented in the civil services and the military services. There have been Kashmiri leaders who have been Cabinet Minsiters in the center.

    You can say that even TAmils can become Presidents there in Sri Lanka. Yes you are right. But a minority person becoming a Prime Minister or President is easy in India than in Sri Lanka, because in India we have simple majority and in Sri Lanka one needs to have more than 50 percent of votes to get there.

    So a Tamil to become a President has to be very very accomodative to the Sinhalese, so much accomodative that he has to almost lose his identity as a Tamil, and merge himself with the Sinhalese.

    You are majoritarian state and India is a Democratic state. In your island it is not for the people, by the people and of the people. It is for the Sinhalese, by the Sinhalese and of the Sinhalese.

    The Kashmir consists of three distinct sub regions, Jammu which is a Hindu majority area, will not support to their joining the Pakistan. Again Ladakh is a Budhist majority area which again will not want to join into Pakistan.

    That leaves it only Kashmir, which is a Muslim dominated area, which may want to join to the Pakistan.

    DESPITE OF ALL THE TROUBLES IN THE KASHMIR, WE HAVE NOT COLONIZED THEIR LAND AND ALTERED THE DEMOGRAPHY. KASHMIR HAS ITS OWN SET OF LAWS CALLED THE RANBIR CODE OF LAW.

    Nobody can buy any land in Kashmir and even Kashmiri girls married to outside people cannot buy land their in Kashmir.

    That way we protect their numbers and their concerns.

    Again you are saying that will india will agree to hold on to a referendum in Kashmir.

    India has to conduct a referendum, there. But for that the troops of the Pakistan and India have to move out and those who have been sent out or displaced out of Kashmir have to return to their place of residence.

    India never said it will not hold a referendum. Ask the Pakistan to vacate its troops and India also will do its part and let all the displaced people come back to their places of dwelling and then you can talk about referendum.

  63. Maran

    I would say the maximum Tamils expect is what you have in your country,

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    That is what the 13 gives you, the land and the police powers. What more do you want.

    If you do not trust the Sinhalese politicians then you can have some more guarantees put in your constitution.

    That is the most India can do and that is more than enough for you people to live as equal citizens as we do live here in India.

  64. Can MAS please tell us why do we need to create issues in Sri Lanka? What is the problem there now?
    LTTE is no more and the Tamil people are busy developing the country.

    Why do we want to repair it, when it is not broken?

    After all, Sri Lanka is too small and ill-equipped to be divisional.

  65. Wije,
    I have high respect for Sinhala culture. Picturing Sinhala kids wearing traditional white clothes, lotus/lily flowers and meditating Buddha simply help calm anyone/me at some/many tense situation.

    It was just my view to fellow Tamil reader “Sandiliyan” on his comment that “Tamils in Sri Lanka were not ingenious enough to develop their own culture, language & religion in Sri Lanka.” As I respect and enjoy others, I just love Tamil and its richness.

    Again my comment was to “Sandiliyan” on his comment that Sri Lanka is too small for federalism as in Canada. I just wanted to point out that federalism also work well in countries smaller than Sri Lanka such as Switzerland.

    Yes, I have to agree with you that Canada and Switzerland are both completely different from Sri Lanka, far-far away in many aspects!

  66. Mr. Sumanthiran and the GTF have forgotten that there are Tamils in Colombo, even in Galle, in the East, and in the hill country. Shouldn’t they have self -determination and a voice? So, shouldn’t a referendum include all the people in those provinces. The North and East now have only about 4% of the population.

    The TNA itself got less than 3% of the population in its areas – so its vote was less than 3%. Mr. Sumanthiran has talked about Canada. This is less than even the aboriginal people in Canada. There you have about 40% French and 60% English.

    So we have to be realistic about what we can get, or have to give up.

  67. First of all, I thank to DBS and MAS.

    Thamils ask nothing belong to Sinhalese. Tamils want, what they had, what they lost in wars with Europeans. It will be beneficial for all, if Sinhala nation grant a federal form of government for the Tamil Nation of NorthEastern region. Boundary can be re-demarcated. Demographic pattern of our region was altered by forced colonization and illegal encroachments. If they grant our legitimate rights, we won’t ask for referendum or take this issue to UN. Sinhala nation has to honor agreements reached with Tamil nation. None of the agreements were implemented. Even India was taken for a ride by Sinhala governments. Is the Rajeeve-JR pact is in force? We want an International guarantee for any solution. Sinhala Nation betrayed us since the so-called independent. UN has to monitor the proper implementation of any agreement. The ball is in their court.

  68. I am a Sinhalese buddhist and beleive I may be a Tamil or Sinhala in my next birth then why we are fighting and hating each other.Can someone explain me how last king of Sri Lanka was a Tamil (Kannasami)and now we can’t even think of a Tamil becoming a priminister or President today.What went wrong? Why Sinhala people don’t trust Tamils any more.By getting land/police/finance powers will this restore Sinhalese trust and faith in Tamils.Something needs to be done but I am sure politician can’t do this? Sinhala or Tamil.We need a Mahatma Gandhi.

  69. Dearm on you you LTTE loosers, we will never ever allow you to get self determination in SR. Go to Indian and ask for self determination in Tamilnadu, thats your homeland. You beace the second minority in after 30 yeards of war., do the maths we are ready to fight another 30 years, then your so called population will go down from 8% to 1.5 … is that what you want??? Grow up , integrate with the rest of the country, or leave the contry.

  70. Intersts base bargaining is more important and crucial than position bargaining. LEARN LESSON FROM THE PAST. A solution should come with the ground reality. Compromise and agreement are best of the mathods to final treatment. But, all the parties must be demostrted their commitment without extrimits viwe.

  71. President Rajapaksa opened three new buildings at the Chavakachcheri Hospital and a new Swimming Pool at the Jaffna College, during his visit to the North to address the DDC meeting.

    Even the TNA member and Mr Sumanathiran’s collegue Mr Suresh Premachandran got an invite to attend the Meet.

    Now the Southernerns may raise the following issues during the deliberations of the upcoming PSC Public Hearings.,

    If Messers Sumanthiran, Premachandran and Sambandan Troika appointed CM is in charge with in full regalia of Police . Land and Fiscal powers,

    Will the President be able to appear at these functions?.

    Will be the President be able to address the Northerners like he did yersterday?.

    Will the TNA CM need to get permission from the Overseas pro LTTE outfits that Mr Sumanathiran promosed to bring on his side, especially the British Tamil Forum?.

    Will the President need clearence from TNA Police and TNA Intelligence Wing?.

    If the Southereners can get favorable and convincing answers to the above querries and be assured that , this devolution is going to turbo charge the Economic prosperity that they are longing for, they may seriously think of ticking the right box when the President presents the Select Committee package to the Population for Approval.

  72. “Distinct” from sinhalese! That’s where the problem lies. They do not want to think they are Sri lankans. In the sixties I remember the some jaffna tamil colleagues who worked with us worshiped MGR and his nationalist movies that gave birth to the tamil nationalism in SL. They still think Tamils are superior! The day they think Sri Lanka is their country and not tamil homeland we will have peace and harmony.

    Secondly, a NO NO NO to Global Tamil Forum and diaspora. They live in luxury overseas and will never come to build the country unless they see any avenues for separatism. They are the root cause now and they helped in all manners the LTTE to extend the war to 30 years. Keep them out totally. By this suggestion one only can see that these fora are trying to get in via the back door, the same way the TNA came at the presidential election. TNA is a LTTE stooge. Now a stooge of GTF and diaspora.

    Instead get all other tamil who did NOT support the LTTE but remained in SL and survived thru the difficult times.

  73. i think it is good MAS has given answers honestly and i hope SL government will act properly. if we had acted properly there would be a progressive and a rich Tamil culture in the North and east of sri lanka. our country is 64 years old and still we havent been able to come up with a proper political mechanism. my personal view is 13th amendment is a good starting point. i see sinhala ppl even the ones who comment here still do not understand the necessity of a power devolution. the reality is people in this country are of two kinds. some people use tamil as the language while the others use sinhala. Also we are concentrated in different areas of the country. the government’s method of making every lankan able in all the three languages is stupid.
    we need a power devoltion based on racial lines. I request all my fellow sinhala ppl lets go for a power devolution lets start with the full implementation of the 13th amendment then we can see whether we can trust the tamils. if so we can go for a higher power devolution which will suit this country. i dont want to live in a country where part of the nations population feel they are trodden upon. lets fix things.
    i see many sinhala ppl here commenting tamils giving priority to tamil identity more than lankan. so what’s wrong with that? Tamil identity and lankan identity are in two planes. So are the sinhala identity and the lankan identity. i am a sinhalese and nothing will change that. but that doesnt mean i am less of a lankan. it is the same for the tamils.

  74. I’m a Sinhalese and I want the Tamils to live in peace and dignity. However I will never agree to these LTTE suckers TNA to have their demands of land, police and financial powers granted. The MP is wrong to assume that the majority of sinhalese will agree to their irrational and racist demands. Also we don’t want “murder funding” GTF or whatever other crap to ever come to SL. Stay away. People who rejoiced when civilians died in LTTE bomb blasts and murder rampages belong in hell, not in Sri Lanka. Stay away from my country.
    These so called Tamil leaders never learn. These kind of demands have gone no where for almost half a century, no where but death’s way for people from all ethnic groups. Still they scream for the same demands. As for the 13th amendment, it was forced down our throats by the Indians. Why do we have to even consider it? Did the people of Sri Lanka have a say in it? NO! Rajiv Gandhi devised it JR (spineless man) agreed to it. Rajiv paid with his life for meddling in other people’s affairs.
    It seems as if the TNA is looking for another bloody war in the country. Who will suffer most I wonder?
    Come down from your high horse of racial arrogance. Let go of the stupid, arrogant and unrealistic demands and get something practical going. We will support you then.
    NO to land powers to PC’s, NO to police powers to PC’s. Sri Lanka is a tiny country, try not to compare it to Canada, India and the USA.
    If Tamils want self-determination why not ask for such powers in Malaysia and Singapore too. Do the sensible thing and hammer out a solution that is more like the ones that are existing in Malaysia and Singapore.

  75. “Tamils are a distinct people entitled to certain rights like Self-Determination in International law”

    So are Tamils of Indian origin and Muslims. Should not the same right extended to them as well?

  76. I didn’t think Dr Dayan Jayatilleka will express this much of stupidity by confusing about Self Autonomy within the federal stucture and referendum for separate independent country. So what about Swiss federal system, Welsh,Scotland…..? I would direct his comment to Confuse.com

  77. keep fighting another 100 year to create world record without hiving any solution to people living in north and east.simple questions to answer – do you willing to give land and police power to province with financial management of the province.this is not the only country that carried out state or province system.TNL must ask from all political parties (in writing) what is their position of theses issues.let majority people know,do not delay this any more how long people in the north and east can wait?south people are suffering without having basic right and politically motivated judiciary system and other institutions while north and east people are suffering without having future of their owned lands.this is not TNL problems ,it is the problems of all the people living this small island without having basic rights.

  78. Distinct nation of Tamils? Comprises only of ethnic Tamils? or does it include Indian Tamils too? If it is the latter, the Homeland includes central hills too. Quite interesting isn’t it? then a referendum in the Central province? for a Homeland in the hills? What about the Muslims? Aren’t they a distinct race? Aren’t they entitled to devolution of power? Akurana, Beruwela, Pottuwill and Samanthurai as Homeland? Shouldn’t we devolve power to conclaves in Wellewattha, Kochchikade and Kotahena etc.? Otherwise Tamils living in these places will not benefit from devolution. Invite Prof. Thatil to prepare the equation for devolution. I would have preferred Insteyn, But for obvious reasons.

  79. Kalu albert,

    It is well known in the North that the wards of the Chaavakachcheari hospital, renovated with help from Red Cross societies from Finland and Ireland were already open, with a plague with the donors name were ONCE AGAIN OPENED WITH A LOT OF FANFARE BY “KING” on Monday. The ORIGINAL NAME PLAQUES were replaced with the bogus new plaques.

    If the Southern politicians and the successive leaders of the sinhala polity did not treat the Tamils like step children, a situation like the current one would not have arisen. Tamils would not be asking for self determination. People should respect the head of state on their own free will, they should not be asked to come to these kind of TAMASHAS under the barrel of the gun and sing the National Anthem and fly the obnoxious lion flag under threat!!!

    I bet even now after all the war crimes and atrocities, instead of spending money on PR firms to white wash the crimes and sending delegates to going to even to TIMBUKTU with with the intention of wooing their support, the government should spend all this money in rehabilitating the war affected people. They should build, repair schools and hospitals and find livelihood for the people who have lost everything to STATE TERROR!!!

    If this is done the KING can visit any part of the island without any security. You should remember that before the STATE TERROR started raising its head in the 1950s the North and East were the providence with hardly any murder, robbery or any other illegal activities. LTTE was the creation of the STATE TERRORISTS.

    Remember the first political murder was committed in Colombo by a Sinhala BIKKU!!!

    Respect cannot be gained by the barrel of the gun and bombs and shells!!!

  80. TNA is a “loose” alliance and contesting under the old FEDERAL PARTY. Why cant they contest under TNA? Federal Party is under the control of Sambanthan and mavai Senathirajah. MAS has come through National List. I think the TNA dont have a bank account or any office for public. I think TNA is still an unregistered political party.

    TNA MPs have splited ideology and they may go seperate anytime. Sumanthiran tells TNA is not supporting 13 + or minus but Samabanthan run to India and fooling the Tamil voters by saying TNA is for 13. The same Anti-Indian political agenda of LTTE criminals M.A.Sumanthiran talks now.

    Whether burning the Jaffna Library or 1983 riots, Tamil Political parties are strange bed fellows of UNP Sinhalese. UNP and LTTE joined hands in scuttling the Indian peace intiatives. TNA’s travels to London or Durban or Toronto is not for the interest of any Tamils. To remain in parliament and personal gains Sumanthiran and other TNA MPs talk non-sense by rousing Anti-Indian sentiments and other racist theories.

    I hope Sumanthiran talks for UNP and their Western masters to have the “Tamil Issue” burning.

  81. Well said Sumanthiran,
    You have not said any thing new which had not been told earlier. But this is more than enough to Rajapakse brothers and to Sinhala nationalists.
    You have joined the band wagon of Mavai and Suresh Premachandran. Now you are also qualified to contest the Presidency of TULF/FP/TC or any other Tamil parties.
    As to regain our rights, you have lost the clout to stand up as a statesman. Let the Tamils wait again seeking for a good candidate to lead them into a bright future.
    If they follow you, Mavai and Suresh, all what they would see is more violence for them and more votes for you.
    With all due respect to you, let me say that you are an idiot.

  82. Dear friend Kalu Albert:

    The President of undivided Sri Lanka cannot be denied visiting any part of the country even in a federated set-up. As for the Tamil areas, despite their current difference of perspectives with him, he will be accorded the courtesy, dignity and honour of his office when he visits there – which is what he has now received. The disinformation campaign as part of the conspiracy against concessions to the Tamils and similar matters to the contrary, I am afraid, is what you and many others have fallen prey to.

    As to the Swimming Pool, it has,at last, come 5 years later after the Blue Brigade originally stole the Cement, the iron rods etc., Namal and the President were under much criticism and attack on their perfidy here – that is now set right. I am sure the students of JCC and the people of Jaffna will remember the Rajapakses in good light for this – although the information Rs6 million for the purpose was diverted to save the Rajapakse name from funds allocated to the disadvantaged students of the Wanni is troubling. What then happened to the funds originally allocated for the Swimming Pool under the Blue Brigade Tamasha?

    As to the events at Chavakachcheri Hospital how far is the story the plaque placed there much earlier in recognition of the improvements/refurbishment by the original donors (Finland/Ireland) was removed and in its place a new plaque with names of those who had nothing to do with the work and yet under the Uthuru Vasanthaya namewas sneaked in. Why did the Police prevent journalists from the private media to attend the function. It is learnt only Devananda’s choice and his DAN TV were allowed to take photographs of the function. Aththa de? I not poking spokes but as they say in Tamil you cannot hide an elephant under a sulagu.

    ISS

  83. Dear Surya

    I just wanted to point out that federalism also work well in countries smaller than Sri Lanka such as Switzerland.

    Federalism works in Switzerland because Switzerland is a wealthy country that can afford all the inefficiencies associated with federalism. It will never work in Sri Lanka.

    How many other countries the size of Sri Lanka have federalism?

  84. Dear Mr Sumanthiran,

    Youshoul have elobarated a little bit more on the area you want to rule and not just the form of governance. Are the Tamils willing to accept an area in line with the population living in this area. Northern Province is 13% of the country and the Eastern Province is 15% of the country. Arte you still saying that the Tamils want a merged North East which is 28% of the land, where only 6% of the Tamils live. If so do you think you can justify this. Or else do you want the Tamil North and the tamil areas of East. In te east tamils live around a 10 mile stretch from the sea. among them are mulims. There is no contiguos Tamil area fromthe North to the east. Along the coast is a mix of Tamil/Muslim villages, on the western flank are sinhala villages. Do you think the tamil can justify such a large area on a bogus Traditional Homeland. (Every bit of historical facts inthe East is to say that it was very much a part of the traditional Homeland of the sinhala people). As long as TNA put forward demands that can not be justified in terms of the tamilpopulation living in that area or based on historical facts, it will only give the Sri lankan government an opportunity not to devolve powers to the provinces. It would be good if you can write an article touching some of the facts i have mentioned above.

  85. WIJE:

    No epigraphical evidence available to support Sinhala Language derived from North India.

    Check the letters of Malayalam alphabets which are closer to Sinhala. Some of the letters are same like Sinhala.

    Dont talk the Sinhala Aryan theroy. Explain “Herath Mudiyanselage” or “Singam Puli” or “Kodipuli” or ” Vengapuli” or “Chinthamani Rajapakshe”!

    Can you prove any “North Indian Connection” to Sinhalese?

  86. Dear Mr Sivanathan,

    Sinhalese have evolved from Hela. Helas were the original inhabitants of the country. Withthe arrival of Vijaya and the others from all over India (Including South India), the Helas ivolved into Sinhala. Just like Pali has evolved into Hindi. Sinhalese culture was born in this country just like tamil nadu gave birth to Tamil culture. The difficulty the tamil politicians are having now is to convince the world that they need such a huge area to govern for themselves. Tamils do not have the numbers nor the historical facts to back this claim.Unless Tamil leaders have pragmatic policies you are unlikely to make any headway.

  87. Scientific DNA research reveal that Sinhalese are not Ariyans. They have only 13% of Arian M17. Sinhalese have more than 50% of M20 (Tamils). People of TamilNade, Kerala and SriLanka (Sinhalese and Tamils) have more than 50% of M20. They are all from Dravidan family who migrated from Sumeriya, Mohanjatharo and Harappa (Hindus valley civilization). Prince Vijaja’s second wife was Vijayee (a Tamil princes from Pandyan kingdom). Vijaya’s frinds married servants of princes Vijayee. Malayalam is a mixture of Tamil and Sanskrit. Sinhala is a mixture of Tamil, Pali, Sanskrit and uruthu. Tamils brought Buddhism to this island. Sinhala nation was formed after the arrival of Buddhism. Prince vijeya was not a Sinhalese.He was not a Buddhist. When he laned , five siva eeswarams existed in this island.

  88. Dear Ananth,

    As I explained earlier, the evolutionof sinhalese from helas happened after the arrival of Vijaya (Bengali) and then the others from allover India. Tamils never brought Buddhism to Sri lanka. Tamils never brought Buddhism to Sri Lanka it was King devanampiyatissa time. He may well have been a Hela than a Sinahala. Your Civilisation and culture grew in Tamil nadu, Karnataka gave birth to Kannadiag Civilisation, Kerla gave birth to Malayalam Civilisation. Sri lanka (Sinhaladveep) gave birth to Sinhala civilisation. Hindu religion is an older religion than Buddhism. The precence of Hindu temples do not say the people were Tamils. They were helas (Naga,Yaksha etc).

  89. Are we to believe that Vijeya did some magic and changed hela to sinhala?
    It is accepted by people in India that Kannada, Telugu and Malayalam evolved from Tamil with various degree of influence from Sanskrit and influence from other languages.

    Devanampiyatissa is a Tamil word. which means “Tissa who is a believer in God(DEVA)”
    There are many Tamil literary works in Tamil in Budhism eg. Manimehalai and Sillapathiharam. Manimehalai has reference to Nagadipa. There are many Budhist archaeological sites in Thamil Nadu and Andhra. There are lots of Tamil words in Sinhala language. Tamils were one time followers of Budhism, Jainism. Tamil Most of the archaeological sites in Sri Lanka are of Dravidian style. Stone carvings are all similar to the ones found in South India. Tamil language one of the oldest languages in the world and has literature in Budhism, Jainism, Islam, Christianity and Thirukural which is secular and is translated in several languages!!!
    Sinhalese is a mixture of several indian languages.

    You guys say that you are aryans. (Hitler may be turning in his graves to hear this)say that you descended from Vijeya (Bengali) Bengalis never claim themselves to be aryans!!!
    Sinhalese accept that vijeya and his men married Pandya princess and Pandya women. But will not admit that you have Tamil blood!!!!Last king of Kandy and his chieftains signed in Tamil language!!!

    In Sri Lanka history is moulded to suit the theory of “Sri Lanka belongs to sinhalese alone” It will not be a surprise after a few years sinhalese might claim that Budha spoke sinhala and rewrite history to suit this!!!

  90. My Dear Hope,

    You are overlooking a simple fact. This is the country which gave rise to the sinhala civilsation ,just like Tami Nadu did for Tamils , Karnataka for Kannadigas. You say Kanndaigas evolved from tamil., may be so. Are you also suggesting that Sinhala evolved out of Tamil too. If so this is news to me. Any sinhala memeber here should give thier feedback. There certainly was arace called Helas when Vijaya Arrived. My understanding was it was Hela that was evolved into Sinhala. If not Vijaya would have killed all of them and sinhala must be mix of Bengalis and Tamil.Which ever way you laook at it man this country is what gave birth to the sinhala civilisation. As I understand recoded permanent Tamil precence in the country had been since the 13 th century. No one can deny the fcat the sinhalese do have Tamil blood too. This is common with all neighbouring countries. It is said that the Royal family in the UK have more German blood than English blood. About Kandy being ruled by Taml Kings… As I understand most of them have signed in Telugu. EWether it is Telugu or Tamil they were rulers of a sinhala Kingdom. As far as seperate nation for Tamils are concerned you guys will have a hard time in convincing the world that the larger part of the North and East is Traditional Tamil homeland. All historical facts and the numberrs suggest you are not entitled to such a large area. This is one of the reasons why your so called liberation struggle did not take off, where as that of the blacks in south africa or the palestinines did receive a lot of attention. SIHALA GUYS READING THIS ARTICLE PLS COMMENT ON THE FCT THAT DEVANAMPIYATISSA IS A TAMIL NAME. I THINK DUTUGEMUNU WAS ALSO TAMIL…

  91. Dear Mr Hope,

    SINHALA GUYS READING THIS PLS NOTE mr HOPES comments that “Devanampiyatissa is a Tamil word”.

    Mr Hope say that we mould Sri Lankan history to say it belongs only to the sinhalese.Also he says Vijayas magic turned Helas into Sinhala. Wheher you accept or not this is the country that gave birth to the sinhala civilisation, just like Tamul Nadu did for Tamils and Karnataka did for Kannadugas. Yes, not only Kannadiaga and Andhar the whole world evolved from Tamil. The great Tamil language and culture you are mentioning is in Tamil Nadu. The tamils living in Sri Lanka is no different to the Tamils living in Karnataka, Andhr etc. Your Traditional Homeland is in Tamil Nadu . As long as you hold onto such a big area in the country(1/3) and call it Traditioanl homeland the Sri lankan governemnt will have an excuse not to devolve powers. If you think there is definite tamil homeland in the country pls give historical facts and get it recognised by the UN. If Blacks in South Africa can win their liberation struggle and the aPalestines can get somewhere why not the Tamiuls in Sri lanka. It is the unreasonableness of your demands along with the deed of VP that blunted the so called liberation struggle of the Tamils.

  92. Dear Hope, M.Siva, Ananth
    I agree more with Ravi Perera. Sinhala language is subtracted from Pali & Sanskrit & developed over the time, though it may have dozens or so words from Tamil, Telugu etc.
    Even in English there are hundreds, if not thousands of words derived from other languages, (that’s how Living Languages develop) & the latest addition to English being “Kolavari”. That does not mean English is a Tamil development. On the other hand meaning of the identical words change with the passage of time, that why those historical writings in “sell- lipi” (stone writings) are done in dead languages.
    Certainly Sinhala blood cannot be 99% (not even 75%) Indo Aryan, because only some 700 people came with Vijaya from today’s West Bengal in North Eastern India. The 700 people cannot become 20 million in 4000 years or so without getting involved with some other communities as well. Most probably Queen Kuveni & the indigenous crowd in Lanka wouldn’t have been from Aryan Family.
    However for me “blood” Dravidian or Aryan is not an issue at all, because all are humans & should be proud of that only.

  93. Ravi Perera:

    I am not talking for the non-sense of Tamil Politics. But Sinhalese hang on to the politics of Portugeuse, Dutch and Brits.

    Can you tell why no North Indian kings or queens known in SL history after the Bengal Vijaya? Further Vijaya was a ruling person and related to Kshatriya clan. Kshatriya clans are always in “minority” and Sinhalese cannot connect all the Sinhalese to the Kshatriya clan because all the Sinhala Castes are not Kshatriya.

    Can you tell why all the Sri lankan rulers went to the rulers of Tamil Nadu for marriages and other helps? Look at Mana Vamma(varma) or Kasyappa or Moggalana or Parakrama Bahu!

    “HELA” is the parent to Tamil, Sinhala and Malayalam. Malayalees dont care about the OLD history in current politics. Only Tamils and Sinhalese are with cooked up stories to suit current politics.

    Even the author of SINHALA POLITICAL HISTORY BIBLE MAHAVANSA came from Tamil Pallava capital of Kanchipuram with his sister who married to King Datusena. Mahavansa stories were born because of the FAMILY FEUD in the Royal house.

    Another Pallava Royal clan member BODHI DHARMA went up to China and became the inventor of KUNG-FU.

    Pallava Rulers were supporting all religions. Many Pallava rulers were Buddhists. Tamils followed Buddhism for many centuries. Tamil epics SILAPPATHIKARAM AND MANIMEKALAI are still there to support the Buddhist past of the Tamils. They were written in 2AD.

    What was the religion of the Sinhalese before Buddhism?

    Why are the Sinhala Buddhists following HINDU astrology? Why are the Tamils and Sinhalese celebrate their new year on the same day?

    Now Sinhala racists try to disconnect The Tamil connection with the island. To make it stronger they cry that Buddhism was flying from Kusinara and landed in Mihintale or Asgiriya or Malwatte or Thottalanga by passing all SOUTH INDIA.

    Old Royals never fought on the basis of language. The present day mess is the creation of CHRISTIAN rulers. That is why SENARAT PARANAWITHANA destroyed the ELARA tomb and created a new story saying it was the tomb of Gemunu. But why shoud the people of Rajarata paid homage to the tomb of Elara for more than 2500 years?

  94. ‘Dr Dayan Jeyatilleka’!

    Your hands must be full by now by the gifts you received from ISS, Anonymous, Mahesh and Dr No and you can’t afford to take anymore more from me. But, I have a doubt. You are really a confused person or pretending you are confused? I have only a small but important point to add here. You say, “Would any Southern political party, ranging from either factt,ion of the UNP to the JVP breakaway, agree to this poppycock? No.”? Do you think, we Tamils are fools to believe any of you will agree? Do you think, because you would not agree, we have to sing to your tune. Believe me, we don’t give a damn about you agree or not. We will fight on until we force you to agree. World politics is not fixed for you to feel comfortable for ever. In my opinion, a BJP government in India will bring the necessary change in you. The people, who show their head to China and tail to India will be identified by that time. Unlike the Congress, BJP knows, where your real loyalty is. Further more, if Palestinians can fight on against a most powerful oppressive Israel state, what is the Srilankan state, for us to fight on?

  95. pam

    If you people keep talking like this then the Tamils have no other way than to ask for a quebec style referendum.

    They have their rights and you cannot trample upon them.

    Without land, police and the financial powers with what power can a chief Minister rule the province.

    Be practical.

    You people are the greatest enemies of your own country.

  96. Kalu Albert

    If Messers Sumanthiran, Premachandran and Sambandan Troika appointed CM is in charge with in full regalia of Police . Land and Fiscal powers,

    Will the President be able to appear at these functions?.

    Will be the President be able to address the Northerners like he did yersterday?.

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    In India we have article 355 which states that the central govt can take over the police forces of the state if they feel there is a need to do the same. This has not been utilized so far, to the best of my knowledge.

    Again the state govts can be dismissed by the center if it violates the constitution.

    These are I think adequate safeguards, if at all you people are looking for any solutions there.

    By giving the police powers to the states the President doesn’t cease to get any security when he visits the states or provinces.

    He has his usual retinue of security staff in addition to the state security overseen by the center whenever he visits the states.

  97. These Tamil demands are unreasonable and appeasing them would only lead to MORE COMPLICATIONS.

    If they could create a unjustifiable 30 year old terror in the country, appeasing them even out of sympathy could be a deadly mistake. This is due to three basic facts.

    a) At every oppportunity, influential Tamils and politicians do their best to
    INTERNATIONALIZE even petty issues to harrass and pressure Sri Lankans. They run
    to the town bring in the ‘gangsters’ to settle the issues.
    b) Foreign powers are looking for ways to add fuel to the fires in Sri Lanka to
    divide and then command and control the Sri Lankans, aiming to get a foothold in
    teh country and the fake Tamil issue is good raw material.
    c) Sri Lanka is too small to go federal and if implemented, those Sri Lankans living
    in the South will lose out the future economic opportunities available in the
    North and East.

  98. Dear M Sivanathan,

    What ever the origins are wether it is Aryans,Dravidians the fact remains that is it is Sri Lanka that gave rise to the Sinhala civilisation, just like Tamil nadu did for Tamil. Hela being the prent to Tamil is news to me. Do you mean only for Sri lnakna Tamils or Tamil Nadu Tamils as well. One of the reasons the so called Tamil struggle has been blunted is beacuse the Tamil are unable to justify internationaly in asking for 1/3 of the country as your homaland. The shear numbers living in this area nor the historical facts back this.Look at the liberation struggle in South africa how thery succeded or palstine. As long as Tamil politicians put forward demands tat can notbe justified internationally Sri lankan gov will have an excuse. Forget every thing about the origins this and that be practical. How are you going to win the demands internationally

  99. Thank you DBS and Namini.
    After I listened to Sumanthiran’s speech in Parliament on the 18th amendment , amidst boos, catcalls and name calling by many from the government bench, as the Speaker dosed, I realised that the future leader of Tamils has emerged. He is uniting a substantial majority of Tamils and Sinhala and Muslim civil society in and out of Sri Lanka. The substance of his answers would unite the different factions of the Tamils, though the extremist at both ends of the spectrum may never come within the visible spectrum of a political solution.

    It is commendable Sumanthiran has stated that the starting point of future discussion need to include previous proposals by various committees starting from Mangala Munasinghe, 1995, 1997 and extending to the majority report of the APRC – all appointed by Presidents of SL.

    To the question, by NW, 
”There are two sides here. One side is numerically larger than the other. Why must a ‘proper solution’ necessarily have to be something that you, the Tamil parties, think is ‘proper’? Sumanthiran answered,
    “It has to be what we think is proper. Otherwise, the majority by sheer force of its numbers is not permitting the democratic wishes of a numerically smaller people to have a say. In other parts of the world, when such issues arise they have a referendum. Not in the whole country. They have a referendum amongst that community.”

    It and the concept that Tamil people in the Island are a Nation need to be taken seriously by all stakeholders if a just solution is to be found and the conflict resolved peacefully and for reconciliation to begin.

  100. Sinhala language evolved after the arrival of Buddhism. Definitely, DhevanaiNampiyaTheesan and Vijeya were not Sinhala Buddhists.

    Past Census and stastical documents reveal that Sinhala population in the NorthEastern region was less than 2%. Demographic pattern was altered by forced colonization. Tamils do not want to grab anything belong to Sinhalese. Tamils want, what they had, what they lost. Do not talk about percentages and confuse this issue. I wonder whether most of the Sinhalese were taught about kings of Jaffna and vanni. Your teachers do not teach about kings Sankili kumaran, Sekarasasekeran, Pararasasekaran, Pandarawannian…etc. Do not worry whether Northeastern region is scarcely or densely populated. We will accommodate Sinhalese who wish to live with us as minorities. Equal rights will be given to them not like for the Tamils who are living in the Southern region.

  101. Dear Wije,
    “Switzerland is a wealthy country that can afford all the inefficiencies associated with federalism. It will never work in Sri Lanka. How many other countries the size of Sri Lanka have federalism?”

    Google can answer you very quickly from Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Nigeri, India, US, Australia to Zanzibar. The point is not to apply the same solution implemented in other countries, but take them as a model/reference to rewrite/update SL constitution…I am not sure what are the inefficiencies associated with federalism but I agree with you that swish is a wealthy country. But I wonder how Swish became so wealthy? How long can they cope with sever blackouts, without electricity and natural gas supply! But the Island can handle very well, In fact, many people in NE and elsewhere in the Island are living in current era in blackouts… What is in Swish that Sri Lanka doesn’t have? I think Sri Lanka is much much wealthier than many Western countries. It just need a solid constitution to protect everyone’s right; then in matter of time the island can outgrow many developed nations including Singapore, Hong-Kong and Swish….

    Kalu Albert “…Will the President be able to appear at these functions?….Will the President need clearence from TNA Police and TNA Intelligence Wing?….If the Southereners can get favorable and convincing answers to the above querries and be assured that , this devolution is going to turbo charge the Economic prosperity that they are longing for, they may seriously think of ticking the right box when the President presents the Select Committee package to the Population for Approval….”

    Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan “…The President of undivided Sri Lanka cannot be denied visiting any part of the country even in a federated set-up. As for the Tamil areas, despite their current difference of perspectives with him, he will be accorded the courtesy, dignity and honour of his office when he visits there – which is what he has now received. The disinformation campaign as part of the conspiracy against concessions to the Tamils and similar matters to the contrary, I am afraid, is what you and many others have fallen prey to…”

    Not sure why president has to worry about attending a function in NE. If president is loved by his countrymen, he should not worry about going any part of the country. In Canada for example, Municipal, Provincial and RCMP all three work well together to provide required protection to public, leaders and foreigners by knowing their limit and power.

    Ravi Perera “…..Are the Tamils willing to accept an area in line with the population living in this area. Northern Province is 13% of the country and the Eastern Province is 15% of the country. Arte you still saying that the Tamils want a merged North East which is 28% of the land, where only 6% of the Tamils live. If so do you think you can justify this…..”

    Well, we lived in a pretty big Manson in a huge estate passed down from our forefathers. Our neighbor had a similar size lot passed down from his forefathers; but our neighbor was pretty active, couldn’t control and overproduced. He tried hard to equally split his estate for his kids. Now his active kids, obviously with more manpower or man count, want to squeeze or push us to the sea bed and take the land for their grandkids… Do you think it is fair and justifiable? What should we do, go out of control and overproduce to fill the gap and over fill irresponsibly to show that NE is our homeland? Many developed and civilized countries, their density is much much lower than SL!

  102. Dear Mr Ananath,

    You say sinhalese people colonosied North East. Tamils give statistics in 1948 and say sinhala people in the east were only 9%, but in 1981 has risen upto 27%. What is this eastyern province you talk about . These are provinces created by British for administrative purposes my friend. Large tracks of Sparsely populated sinhala villages were annexed with realtively thickly populated Tamil coast and a province call Eastern Province was created. That did not mean the tamils were everywhere in the East. The previous Eastern Province (When the British initailly created 5 provinces) contanied present day Polonnaruwa. Due to the presence of Polonnaruwa district Sinhalese were an outright majority in the east. In a situation like that would you have said the sinhalese were colonising the East. The initail sinhala settlements were in Ampara (Gal oya).Even in 1948 the current sinhala electorate(about 78% of Ampara) had over 90% sinlala people. How can this be colonisation.In Trincomalee the sinhala villages were sparsely poulated and on the western flank.
    Along the coast is a mixture of Tamil and Muslim villages. There is no contiguos tamil area from the North to the East.
    Are you willing to accept only the North(about 13% of the country).That too there are many rajarata lands that were brought under Northern Province.

    You say do not give percentages and confuse the issue. That is exactly where the issue is my friend. The problem is you Tamils are unable to justify the hhomeland concept internationally by showing shear numbers or historiacal facts.
    See how the blacks won their rights in SSouth Africa.

  103. Dear My N. Ethirveerasingam,

    Tamil nation theory does not hold any water in Sri Lanka. It certainly is in India.Come up with a realistic area which can be justified in the eyes of the international community then you do not need the opinion of the sinhalese people. If it is your it will be granted. The fact is you tamils can not justiy your current absurd demands.

  104. Dear Suraya,

    Well you really think that your forefthers owned such a huge mansion. Any one visting Jaffna can see how big the mansions are. Rather than talking nonesens accept your forefathers ownership is not in this country , it is in Tamil Nadu.

    If you think you are the owners of this massive mansion you have nothing to worry. Give these historical facts and get it recognised by the UN. At the moment tell me one country that is acepting your homeland theory. None my friend.
    Shear numbers nor the historical facts enable you to justify this absurd demand. These absurd demands along with VP’s great dids blunted the so called liberation struggle. Get Real my friend

  105. Dear Ravi Perera:

    Not only me but thusands of Tamils dont support this EELAM. But Sinhala UNP supported LTTE and carved out an area to LTTE with all the powers (Finance, Police and all other ills). Can you explain why Ranil Wickramasinghe carved an area for LTTE criminals?

    Many of us know very well that the EELAM is not for the interest of the Tamil people but for the interest of USA/UK who want a “permanant” base closer to the main Indian land mass. USA or UK dont care about Sinhala or Tamil but they need a military base. That is why India and China fully backed Sri Lanka to destroy LTTE.

    Now the masters of LTTE are crying against Mahinda Rajapakse. They hope a regime change will help to achive their goal with the help of their allies(UNP, TNA, Catholic Church).

    TNA and UNP reject any peace intiatives. That is why they reject Indian peace proposals but they demand land and police powers like the LTTE. If those things were given they can simply allow US/UK war ships at Trincomalee on the basis of LEASE.

    TNA or LTTE never interested in the welfare of TAMILS or Tamil Language. TNA MPs never bother anything about the IDPs or the plight of the Vanni people.

    Remember your Sinhala/Buddhist civilization will be in garbage if the US/UK get a “base” in the EAST. Racism of Sinhalese and Tamils will definitely blind the people and realizing the WEST’s military expansions.

    Indian think tanks have realized the ideas of the WEST. That is why India try to solve the problem.If the Sinhalese and Tamils want the “problem” exist, outsiders get more teeth to get involved or invade Sri Lanka!

  106. Dear M Sivanathan,

    It was most heartnening to read this honest and candid e-mail from you. Pls do not think I am a racist. I am not. I have relations who are tamil, some of them are from achchuveli.What I am basically saying is when these absurd demands which can not be justified are put forward the sinhalese man feels threatened. The fact is the traditional homeland is something that can not be justified with facts and figures except Jaffna and the Northern part of Vanni. Do you think a federal or a wide ranging power arrangement would suit such a small area. What I am saying is the Tamils especially living here should take note of these facts and adopt pragmatic policies. See what the Muslim leaders have done for their community. People like Bakeer Marker enter from the deep down south (True there is a sizeable Muslim community there).If the the Tamils living in Sri Lanka take of the fact that they are only 8% and these traditional homelands are just a myth lot of things can be sorted. Tamil leaders should be able to enter parliment on the sinhala vote. Belive me if they change their one track policies they can certainly be elected to parliment by the sinhalaese themselves. We could even have a situation where there would be a Tamil president in the country. Trust me it is doable. Sinhalese man is by nature a good hearted man, but ferociously protects his territory. There is nothing wrong in that.

    I think sinhalese and tamils have a lot more in common than the differences, so let us not allow these UK/USA and other external forces to pork their finger.

  107. Dear Ravi,
    finally you understood who is our good friend Mr. M. Siva. I was wondering why you had a brawl with friendly Siva & thought for a moment if you are a new comer to Transcurrents (pardon me if I am wrong),if so just go through previous articles at this blog.

    This site is not Transcurrents………..DBSJ

  108. Dear Surya

    Google can answer you very quickly from Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Nigeri, India, US, Australia to Zanzibar.

    Last time I checked, Sri Lanka did not have the same size as Nigeria, India, US, or Australia. Zanzibar is not a country.

  109. Dear Surya:

    This canard about the President of SL will be denied entry into the Tamil areas in the event of their (Tamils) getting PC’s was originally mentioned by Minister Keheliya Rambukwella – speaking in his capacity of Cabinet Spokesman. It was immediately carried in banner headlines by the Sinhala media. This is part of the virulent extremist campaign in the South calculated to build a hostile climate against Constitutional Provisions being implemented. Some readers in this blog innocently repeat it presuming it to be an outrageous truth.

    ISS

  110. Re. Mr Ravi Pereras’s comments to former Asian High Jump Gold Medalist and Olympic athelete Dr. Nagalingam Ethirvweerasingham, please permit me a comment.

    There WAS a distinct Tamil Nation in Sri Lanka, is and will be. This cannot be denied by a gargantuan army or by enforced State diktat. Similarly a Sinhala Nation. Both satisfying to today’s international law governing the recognition of “States (Countries”) Even, in the inevitable event of the Tamil areas coming under PCs and their functioning in an undivided Sri Lanka, this will in no way affect the territorial integrity of Sri Lanka or the Sinhalaese. It is an emotional thing and was an undeniable reality in the history of the country 600 years ago and before.
    In the event of the coming of a Separate State insisted by the LTTE it is a different proposition.

    ISS

  111. Bro Ravi Perera,

    Excuse me for being blunt, but do you really wanna waste time pleading these Tamils to change and see reality? Do you think the boys and girls in TAG, BTF adn WTF are going to listen to you?

    No Sir, they are not. THEY ARE HELL BENT ON THEIR GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT grandfathers’ mission… to rape Sri Lanka and create Elaam at any cost.

    Let’s not get lost ourselves. We have so much work to do to face the realities, beacuse these Tamil pests along with foreign sidekicks are planning day and night how to get a foothold in the north and east once again.

    Let’s wow to get busy to design and implement methods to kill their plans in their tracks.

    Stop preaching, bro, and look over your shoulder. They are coming, wearing different masks. And they are serious. Reach for your weapons to protect yourself, before it’s too late.

    We don’t have to re-invent the wheel… look at Israel and plan to survive.

  112. Ravi “Rather than talking nonesens accept your forefathers ownership is not in this country, it is in Tamil Nadu”

    We discussed many times in DBSJ blog on SL history, don’t want to start all over again. You can call Yaha/nagaa/vedaa/ravan whatever it is; they all are Dravidian stock and more related to Tamils than any indo-Aryans. Just because Sinhala not exist anywhere else, don’t claim that the whole island belongs to Shinhalalese and just because Tamil Nadu is close by all Tamils belong to Tamil Nadu. Please try to understand and accept the reality that Ilankai Tamils belongs to the Island not TN. NE is Tamils homeland, as how Quebec is for French, Gujarat for Gujarates etc.. Would you say all French in Swish, Luxembourg, Quebec should move to France? Tamil have more history in NE than French has in those countries.

    Wiji; you are right, there are no countries in the world will have the exact same size as SL, that’s a kids school level. I believe you are matured to think deep on the subject. The point is federalism can work for any size and sure will work very well in SL. Just to let you know, many countries don’t have multi ethnicity; the federal system in Swish, Canada, India, US or any other countries are not exact same, but they build upon the federal principal.

  113. Surya,

    “NE is tamil Homeland”. In your dreams my friend. Northern Province is 13% and east is 15%. 28% for 6% of the people. No way man, this can not be justified in terms of numbers or historical facts. 66% of Trincomalee are sinhala areas and 78% of ampara are sinhala areas.Besides there are large chuncks of Muslim areas. Tamil areas in these twio distrcts are marginal areas. It is only in Batticalo that Tamils make up an overwhelming majority that too the muslims have a big precence. Do You mean to say in this scenario East is tamil homeland. Which part of history did the tamils rule east. earleier it was part of Ruhunu rata later it was part of kandyan Kingdom.
    Or do you mean that the Tamil North should be merged with tamil areas of East(Non contiguous). is this practical. Tamil areas of east is no different to Nuwara eliya, Colombo etc. As for quebec being for French, that is based on shear numbers man, besides the Canada being a new country the time of presence of the English, and the French is around the same. Gujarat is the homeland of the Gujratis, this where the Gujarati culture was born Just as Tamil nadu gave birth to Tamil culture. India is a Union of different nations, Each state has given birth to a different culture,Just like European Union.
    East is never your homeland, eventhe present day North includes large tracks of land of Rajarata which the british put under North.Your real homeland is just a small area in the country that is Jaffna and Northern part of vanni. Is it practical to devolve wide ranging powers to such a small area(To the area i mentioned)

    You can shout saying NorthEast is tamil homeland. If you are so confident why can’t you get UN to recognise this. As I have mentioned the shear numbers nor the historical facts support this stupid argument. of course great VP’s deeds too went a long way.

    Wake up man be real without getting emotional and making rash statements. Your NE homeland is just an obsession for most people like.

    Hi Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan ,

    You distinct tamil nation is smaller than the current Northern Province my friend. Once again without making rash statements think of a way to secure a practical solution. If there is get it recognised by the UN. See how the blacks won their rights in SA

  114. Gunasekara Bro,

    I fully agree with you. The real motive of the so called devolution is to grab 1/3 of the country.Don’t worry it will not suceed. Since they could not justify in numbers or historical facts they needed a terrorist group. Now that is gone. No signs of letting up. Let them go on and on. They will not succeed.

  115. Surya,

    Forget about discussing in the DBSJ blog about history. Every one can say what ever they want. Fact remains this is the country that gave birth to Sinhala civilisation just like Tamil Nadu did for Tamils. Yaksha , Naga etc are certaily dravidian origin. Sinhalese are people who evolved from them with time.There were many north Indian and south indian arrivals and got integrated into the Helas with time. I do not ascribe to the view that sinhalese are Aryans, they are more Dravidians than Aryans. Forget the beginning, Fact remains this is the country that gave birth to Sinhala civilisation just like Tamil Nadu did for Tamils.

    Do not confuse quebec situation here. The English Do not call Canada,America, Australia & New Zealand as English Homeland. They know very well what they did. They have captured these countries and have converted to what they are today. They govern through shear majority in numbers. The french like the English invaded quebec and govern this through shear numbers. As for Gujarat it is no different to your Tamil Nadu. It is the land that gave birth to the Gujarati civilisation.

    About Tamils having more history in NE than French in quebec, well sinhalese have alonger history in NE particularly the east than the Tamils. It was part of the Ruhunu rata and later part of Kandyan Kingdom, from which the Eastern province was carved out. Which part of history inthe 2500 yrs did the tamils rUle East. Even now the Tamil areas and the Tamil people are an overwhelming minority in Ampara and trincomalee districts. Even though they are a majority in Batticalo there is a substantial Muslim presence. Besides the overwhelming evidence in the East of historical facts is to say that is is very much part of the sinhala civilsation. There is lies the difference my friend between the French in quebec and the Tamils in the NE.

    Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan “There WAS, Is & WILL Be a Tamil Nation”. Yes mate out of 2500 yrs there was Tamil Kingdom for 300 yrs. I suppose that is what you mean by WAS. As to IS and WILL BE dependes on how well you sell this concept internationall. The historical facts and the shear numbers do not support this theory. Tell me one country that supports the Tamil Homeland theory. If the blacks can win the rights in SA and the Palestines can get somewhere why not the Tamils.

    If you so confident about the Nation theory all you have to do is to proove this and get it recognised by UN. You can not my friend you know that. Worst that can happen is Indai can very well annex North Sri lanka to union territory if the Sri lankan politicians become so stupid and get closer to China.

  116. Dear Gunasekera

    Let’s wow to get busy to design and implement methods to kill their plans in their tracks.

    I totally 100% agree with you and have the perfect plan: Let’s implement Official Languages Act to the hilt and ensure that Tamils get all the same opportunities as Sinhalese. That will definitely kill the separatist plans. What do you think.

  117. Dear Surya

    The point is federalism can work for any size and sure will work very well in SL.

    If there are no small and developing countries like Sri Lanka that are federations, then does not not show that federalism does not work for any size and sure will work very poorly in SL?

  118. Dear Ravi Perera:

    Muslims got seperate school systems and seperate laws in Sri lanka. Even a grade 7 muslim was able to become a teacher in Muslim schools. Muslims have seperate KHADHI courts. Islamic teachers are appointed at the expense of the state. Dont you know those things?

    Muslims talk TAMIL and why are they given so many FREE goodies at the expense of the state?

    The constitution tells “Buddhism” to be upheld and supported by the state. HINDUS lost manythings. Look at Kataragama which is a HINDU shrine but the Hindu charities lost their “Dharma Salas” there. Buildings of Rama Krishna Mission were destroyed by the state. In A’Pura OLD Hindu temples were destroyed.

    Are the Hindu Tamils enjoy anything like Buddhists or Muslims? No

    That is the problem!

  119. Nagalingam Ethirveerasingam:

    Sumanthiran dont represent majority Tamil population or Tamil culture. He just vomit the UNP ideology of supporting the WEST!

  120. M.Sivananthan says:
    February 8, 2012 at 7:08 am
    Ravi Perera

    Can you tell why no North Indian kings or queens known in SL history after the Bengal Vijaya? Further Vijaya was a ruling person and related to Kshatriya clan.

    Can you tell why all the Sri lankan rulers went to the rulers of Tamil Nadu for marriages and other helps? Look at Mana Vamma(varma) or Kasyappa or Moggalana or Parakrama Bahu!
    ==============

    Dear friend ,

    Tamil nadu exists after 1947. Prior to that it called as INDIAN PRESIDENCY. Therefore no question arision that why Sri lankan rulers went Tamil nadu for marriage. It is true that they went to PALLAWA kindom that is in southern India .

    Pallawas are not tamil but arian whom came from north India. And Pallawa also buddhist. That’s why sinhala rulers make relation with another buddhist kindom. At present PALLAWA kindom came under KARNATAKA not under TAMIL NADU.

    Year 2000, even in India there was no any tamil kindom in India. Acccording to king Dharmashoka’s reading There were CHOLA,CHERY,SATHIYA PUTHRA and PANDAWA.
    Because Pallawa are not tamil Venarable Mahanama thero too not having tamil origin.

    samarasekara

  121. Dear Sivanathan,

    I agree with you that the constitution giving prioroty to Buddhism is not the correct thing. But mate, it is just a name sake than any thing else. All other religions have the rights to practice what they are practicing now.

    Kataragama being a hindu shrine.. mate it is a devala for sinhala people as well. We do worship Hindu gods as well.
    Having said that there are many things the country should do improve things.

    83 riotrs was the worst act the sinhalese did (Of course not the sinhalese.. govt goons). I think we learnt from it. Even in 83 there were many who kept the tamil friends and their families at home.

  122. Dear Samarasekara:
    You are a fool and try to fool others. Pallava capital Kanchipuram is still in Tamil nadu. India became a political entity after 1947. Before more than 700 kingdoms were there.Check the Pallava territory which include Tamil Nadu.

    Pallava rulers once annexed the present day KARNATAKA after the war of VATAPI in which SL prince Mana Vamma(who got refuge in Kanchipuram) also participated. His friend and the Pallava commander was PARAN JOTHY aka PALLAVARAYAR who became a TAMIL Hindu saint known as SIRU THONDAR! He sang many devotional songs in TAMIL.

    Pallavas supported all the religions. Go and see Kanchipuram and find the number of HINDU temples built by Pallavas. Some Pallava Royal clan members too became Buddhists. Pallava kings sent Buddhist and Hindu missonaries to the FAR EAST as well. One such prince went to Cambodia and established a kingdom which was known as KHEMER in later years. The world famous VISHNU temple at ANKOR was built by SURYA VARMAN.

    Pallavas were Kshatriyas. Kshatriyas never practiced the current donkey LAGUAGE politics. Kshatriya clans always picked up the languages of the subjects. Only the Kshatriya clans had the rights to rule in those days whether they were Hindu or Buddhist. That is why Mahanama tells BUDDA was a KATTIYA (Kshatriya).

    You are trying to tell Pallavas were not Tamil because you are unable swallow the fact Bhikku Mahanama came from a Tamil Pallava Clan. During the time of Mahanama Pallava rulers were Tamil also.

    Look at the history of Banadara Nayake. His ancestor was a Tamil temple pandaram NEELAPPERMAL. In a few generations NEELAPPERUMALS became Sinhala Bandaranayakes.Read Jasmine Gunaratne’s “REALATIVES MERRITS”.

    Pallava inscriptions clearly mention they were from Bhardwaja Gothra and Nanthi Gothra of Hindu WARRIOR Gothras.They ruled part of Tamil nadu and part of Andhra.

    Pallava King Mahendra Wickrama Varman wrote a satire drama “MATTA VILASA PRAKASHANA” IN Sanskrit. You better read it. Then you know how he rediculed the religions!

    Still the Language of HINDU temple is SANSKRIT. I think you have no disputes that all TAMILS are Hindus.

    Pallavas or Bengalis never claim any ARYAN bullshit anywhere!

    Sinhala rulers continued to go to Tamil nadu even during the Kandy era and married Nayak women! Nayaks were of Andhra origin but they became Tamils. That is why Kannusamy (Sri Wickrama Rajasinha) signed in Tamil in Kandy.

    Royals and Royals had marriages. English queen Victoria’s cousin was Russian CZAR NICHOLAS. How is the language problem there? Tamil Royals and Sinhala Royals weded. It was not a big issue. But the brother in law of Datusena was Mahanama who was a TAMIL and came from Kanchipuram.

    Royals learned many languages in order to rule people and never made any OFFICIAL languages.

  123. @wije and ravi

    it is needless to bring history to this discussion. in the current context and even 64 years ago, we need a proper power devolution with the tamils. what ever you people say, who ever settled here 1000 years back doesnt change that. look at the present situation. we need a tamil language adminstration area and asinhala language administration area. that is the reality

    the sad thing is we have argued over this topic and even killed each other for a very long time. our leaders argued over this 65 yrs ago and still we are. this has dragged the country back. we need to put our poitical system in order. Dont you think this is high time we finish this issue and put a full stop to this whole discussion. we have a lot of other problems in this country.

    I think GOSL needs to start demilitarising the N&E area little by little. Another thing is GOSL is in need of friends from the north and that vacuum is filled by Douglos. Had TNA engaged with the governmnt in a better way they would be able to work things out.

  124. Dear samarasekera

    Unfortunately your knowledge of history is very weak. Prince Vijaya did not go to “PALLAWA” kingdom but to Madurai which was most certainly Tamil for wife. Even the last kings of Kandy went to Madurai for wife which explains why the last four kings were Tamil Nayakkars. The Cholas of Tamilnadu who were the greatest enemies of the Sinhalese had a long history of Buddhism especially in places like Nagapattinam.

    wije

  125. Gunasekara says:
    February 9, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Stop preaching, bro, and look over your shoulder. They are coming, wearing different masks. And they are serious. Reach for your weapons to protect yourself, before it’s too late.

    ——————————-
    ravi perera says:
    February 9, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    Gunasekara Bro,

    I fully agree with you. The real motive of the so called devolution is to grab 1/3 of the country.Don’t worry it will not suceed.

    ———————————-

    Kolaveri//// Di

    (Tamil: வொய் திஸ் கொலவெறி டி, Voy Tis Kolaveṟi Ṭi;

    English: Why This Murderous Rage, Girl?

  126. Cuttige

    Good, very good.

    I see lot of Modaya da/di in this forum yet I don’t have the Kolaveri da/di or di/da.

  127. Dear Wije;
    “If there are no small and developing countries like Sri Lanka that are federations, then does not show that federalism does not work for any size and sure will work very poorly in SL?”

    All I wish is that all the people in the Island get equal rights and opportunities. I am not federalist but it is something working very well in many countries with multi ethnicity to solve many problems. Not many developing countries with the size of SL or less have federalism, because they don’t have ethic issues or multi linguistic groups as in SL. Those who had issues now have split and formed separate sates, for example, East Timor(smaller than NE), Kosovo(Smaller than NE), South Sudan etc… Even Pakistan, Bangladesh, Singapore split for SOME related reasons. The point is, if GOSL going to simply reject federalism without looking into the benefits and way of providing some sort of self-determination to Tamils; GOSL is building itself a strong inevitable foundation for separation… Yes, we can look for simple things (like size, developing, undeveloped etc…) to reject everything for short term pleasure, without even considering the fruits in it… I could be wrong as I am not an expert, but I hope this will stimulate you to think deep on the subject than just replying with kids questions.

    Dear Ravi;
    “Forget about discussing in the DBSJ blog about history. Every one can say what ever they want. Fact remains this is the country that gave birth to Sinhala civilization just like Tamil Nadu did for Tamils… . I do not ascribe to the view that sinhalese are Aryans, they are more Dravidians than Aryans…. Forget the beginning, Fact remains this is the country that gave birth to Sinhala civilization just like Tamil Nadu did for Tamils…..”

    It is good to hear that you accept that Sinhalese are not Aryan but Dravidian. It is a good start for us to get closer. In DBSJ blog, everyone can say what ever they want, so that a good reader can see all angles, it helps us think, analyze and correct ourselves; much better than reading fictitious Mahavamsa or brainwashing with cooked up histories with political motives. As a matured adult, I do and will contradict with DBSJ, and reading his articles I learned and learning many things and correcting myself, specially reading his recent “Tamil tigress” series. It all depends on the reader.

    I agree with your fact that the country gave birth to Sinhala civilization just like Tamil Nadu did for Tamils. But you need also understand and accept the fact that the country also gave birth to Ilankai Tamil civilization just like it did for Shinhalesee. This is our country too, not TN. Many historical books may contradict who came first or who came last but the reality is we both Dravidians and we both came together, over time with outside influences, we evolved differently. Even Cheran, Cholan, Pandiyan, Pallavan were fighting each other the same way we both fighting. But because they all kept Tamil, language never became an issue. But because Island is wide open to the ocean, we have been invaded by many and we both got evolved differently over times. Since North closer to TN, we were invaded and influenced by South Indians more than external & north Indian forces as it happened in south of the Island. Just because of this proximity, you cannot say Tamils belong to TN, the same way I cannot say “Perera” belong to Portugal and should go back to Portugal.

    You keep on talking about the numbers and percentage, but you are conveniently not talking about the planned Sinhalanization since 1948. Putalam, Cilapam, and many part of North East have been systematically Sinhalanized and still continuing. Which is one of the many reason Tamils have low numbers in NE or in Island. Other reason is of course the 30+ years of war, the majority of the Tamil youngsters laid their soul to the cause while others contributing to the population growth. Also many more of the Tamils moved out as refuges or to get better jobs etc… The once left also looking for the opportunity through marriages to get away. Also Illankai Tamils with reasonable literacy rate, not overpricing, stops at one or two nowadays to raise their kids with proper care.

    Just because, your house has less kids and I have more, I cannot just come into your house and kick you out. If you go to most of the western cities, most of the house hold two or three; most of them are seniors… In your theory, should the overproducing families should forcefully take over those houses owned by seniors and kick them out? Hope you will understand Tamil plights someday!

  128. M.Sivananthan says:
    February 10, 2012 at 7:09 am
    Dear Samarasekara:
    You are a fool and try to fool others. Pallava capital Kanchipuram is still in Tamil nadu. India became a political entity after 1947. Before more than 700 kingdoms were there.Check the Pallava territory which include Tamil Nadu.
    ===========
    Dear friend,

    The PALLAWA are not tamil as you said. PALLAWAS too arians who had direct link with IRAN. The first PALLAWA king was SARTHAWAHANA. It is not tamil name.
    It is true that later CHOLA defeated PALLAWA.

    samarasekara

  129. Samarasekara:

    PALLAV is a SANSKRIT word and nothing to do with Persian. The Tamil word MUTHALI is a direct translation of Pallava. Pallav means first leaves of a plant in Sanskrit.

    English educated fools always look at the sky to know the meaning of the SANSKRIT/PALI words.

    When they came across Iranian PAHALVA, they cried PALLAVA also the same. Further the CHRISTIAN people try hard to tell the HINDUS and BUDDHISTS have nothing of their own.

    Sri Lankan Sinhalese who are very much CHRISTIAN influenced also use the same to tell TAMILS have nothing.

    Pallava rule was started by SIMHA VISHNU and no body else. That is accepted by all the Historians long ago. Pallavas first had the LION FLAG. That may be the reason Sri Lankan Royals too had the LION FLAG.

    Copper Plate evidences available for the Pallava dynasty and history.

    Sri Lankan LAMBA KHANNA dynasty was a branch of Pallavas. They ruled Sri Lanka for many centuries.

  130. Dear Ravi Perera:

    I always look the common things between Sinhalese and Tamils. Those “common things” will bring peace and stability to the nation.

    If the Sinhalese try to impose something because of the MAJORITY, how can Tamils tolerate? For example Buddha statues are thrown along the A-9 Highway. That act is really a disgrace to Buddha himself. Buddha is always respected as a Hindu Saint and reformer by Hindus who identify him as BODHI MADHAVA.

    How are the Sinhalese justify the destruction of the tomb of Elara? Dont they feel it is an act of disgrace to Gemunu and Maha Vansa?

    How can Sinhalese tells or believe that they have no connection with South India while it is the closest neighbour to Sri Lanka?

    Sinhalese must get out of the mess created by Christian rule. Then many things will take right direction. Majority must take the lead in the right direction to bring peace!

  131. Dear M Sivanathan,

    I do not agree with each and every thing this government does. Installing huge buudha stupas in places in places like Killinochchi is not the right thing, I agree. All I a m saying is that the tamil demands for a provincial council with a merged North East or Tamil areas of Northeast based on the current AGA divisions(Also there is no contiguous tamilarea from The North to EaSt) is not the right thing. As I have mentioned ealier the historical facts nor the shear numbers justify this. Sinhalese man feels threated by these unjust demands which in turn makes them do things like what they are doing in Killinochchi. If we can all accept realty, be fair by every community I think we can go along way. Destruction of Elara Tomb is a disgrace, i agree. To say sinhalese have no connection to south india is a stupid statement. Over a period of time wave after wave of immigrats came from India starting from Vijaya to South Indians, North Indians etc. These migrants were part of the evolution of the sinhalese race.

    One of the main beneficaries of the war are the christain missioaries. The born again christains have nicely fed onthe poor and innocent tamil people in Vanni. Those diaspora elements do not acre too hoots for the destruction of their culture by these missionary scavengers

  132. Dear Surya and all the others who talk abot colonisation,

    I am reaprinting something which i have written over and over agian.

    You say sinhalese people colonosied North East. Tamils give statistics in 1948 and say sinhala people in the east were only 9%, but in 1981 has risen upto 27%. What is this eastyern province you talk about . These are provinces created by British for administrative purposes my friend. Large tracks of Sparsely populated sinhala villages were annexed with realtively thickly populated Tamil coast and a province call Eastern Province was created. That did not mean the tamils were everywhere in the East. The previous Eastern Province (When the British initailly created 5 provinces) contanied present day Polonnaruwa. Due to the presence of Polonnaruwa district Sinhalese were an outright majority in the east. In a situation like that would you have said the sinhalese were colonising the East. The initail sinhala settlements were in Ampara (Gal oya).Even in 1948 the current sinhala electorate(about 78% of Ampara) had over 90% sinlala people. How can this be colonisation.In Trincomalee the sinhala villages were sparsely poulated and on the western flank.
    Along the coast is a mixture of Tamil and Muslim villages. There is no contiguos tamil area from the North to the East.
    Are you willing to accept only the North(about 13% of the country).That too there are many rajarata lands that were brought under Northern Province.

    You say do not give percentages and confuse the issue. That is exactly where the issue is my friend. The problem is you Tamils are unable to justify the hhomeland concept internationally by showing shear numbers or historiacal facts.
    See how the blacks won their rights in SSouth Africa.

  133. Dear Surya,
    “..You keep on talking about the numbers and percentage, but you are conveniently not talking about the planned Sinhalanization since 1948…..”
    —————————————
    Have you forgotten over one million (& ever increasing) Up Country Tamils were accommodated in 100% Sinhala Buddhist lands in Kandyan Lands in up country ?
    Do you know GOSL wasn’t allowed to settle landless Kandyan Sinhalese by powerful CWC under S. Thondaman in 1980’s ? & no any Sinhala protest was was allowed or entertained by JRJ ? So where can these indigenous Kandyan Sinhala people go? Wasn’t ethnic ratio changed in Central & Uva Provinces ??
    Finally So the GOSL had to settle those people in Mahaweli areas in NCP.
    —————————–

    Dear Siva,
    Yes, Muslims got a better deal because they always lived with majority Sinhalese & never fought a separatist war (Foreign funded Christian missionary’s couldn’t spoil the Muslim soup ).
    Further Muslim politicians always in GOSL Cabinet enjoying all the perks & political power so they got the job done. This is what Ceylon Tamils lack from 1953 to date.

  134. The learned Ravi Perera’s discovery Tamils ruled in their part of the Island for 300 years is as enlightening as Prof Nalin de Silva – the father of all our Chintanayas – that the Tamils came only 400 years ago to Jaffna brought their by the Dutch in the
    18th century. Fortunately, there are thousands of well-informed. learned Sinhala academics like reader Dingiri here – who “rubbishes” this sheer but calculated tool of disinformation that nonetheless has contaminated confused Sinhala minds.

    ISS

  135. Wije,

    [I totally 100% agree with you and have the perfect plan: Let’s implement Official Languages Act to the hilt and ensure that Tamils get all the same opportunities as Sinhalese. That will definitely kill the separatist plans. What do you think.]

    We should of course address the remaining language issues of the Tamil speaking Sri Lankans. In turn, the Tamil
    speaking Sri Lankans need to kick themselves to agree to the fact that, Sinhalese people are the majority people of
    the country. Not all countries are made the same.

    (In reality, the people agree… but the so-called leaders ‘lead’ the people to hell by creating
    special identities, divisions and ridiculous promises)

  136. Mr Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan,

    If the tamils did not rule for only 300 yrs , can you tell us how long the tamils ruled North Sri Lanka.

    Whenin History did the Tamils rules the current Eastern Province ?

    Sukumar,

    Yes, i think I am only wasting time saying the same thing over and over again

  137. Dear Ravi Perera;

    These are provinces created by British for administrative purposes my friend”
    Buddy, all knows that British messed up the whole thing; not only created the provinces but also merged all the kingdoms for their easy administrative purpose. If they have left the Island as it was, Tamils wouldn’t have to go through all these struggles.

    “That did not mean the tamils were everywhere in the East”
    Yes, Tamils were everywhere in the East (Ampara, Kathirgamam, Madakalupu, Thirukonamalai, Manal Aru etc…) and North West (Cilapam, Puthalam etc..).

    “Are you willing to accept only the North (about 13% of the country).That too there are many rajarata lands that were brought under Northern Province”
    Sorry buddy I couldn’t accept, currently Vavuniya is acting like a border city but back then it was Anurathapuram, which was the border city.

    “There is no contiguos tamil area from the North to the East.”
    It was the master plan of the GOSL Shinhalnization project to make sure NE is not contiguous since 1948 and they have almost successfully completed their task.

    “That is exactly where the issue is my friend. The problem is you Tamils are unable to justify the hhomeland concept internationally by showing shear numbers or historiacal facts. See how the blacks won their rights in South Africa.”

    You cannot equate South Africa to Tamil issues. Black brothers in SA won their rights the same way the Indian Subcontinent and other Commonwealth countries got their rights. But you can equate Tamils issues with East Timor, Kosovo, Bangladesh etc…

    Tamils can easily justify the homeland concept in international arena. Biggest challenge to do this is that the so called UN arena is closed for Tamils as we do not have the legal power to appear easily as any other member states like SL. If UN allows Tamil to bring it up, the problem would have been solved a long time ago, the UN politics won’t allow it. People like Ban Ki Moon need GOSL vote and UN don’t want to go against India or China, specially at this time.

    Even though we have 60M+ Tamils in TN, they cannot take this beyond India, as state cannot get into international affairs. In SL, Tamils cannot even talk freely within their homeland; do you really think GOSL going to put Tamil reps in a special plane to NY or Geneva to talk about this?

    Only now due to some Tamil visibility in international arena is bringing some awareness in mainstream. But still there are lots of challenges.

    Biggest one is that Tamils are not united. I have to agree that being Tamil is not easy man, worst is not from outside, but within, it is like dog-eat-dog, Tamils-eat-Tamils. We are not united to carry out anything productive. This is our biggest problem,

    Second, if anything, GOSL will do what ever it can to label it as LTTE or terrorist…. Third sneaky India would never let Tamil go beyond its control. It would be nice if UN really care for international minorities and open up their doors than for those with natural resources or oil. I don’t think it is easy as writing in DBSJ blog…

  138. Dear Wije;
    “I totally 100% agree with you and have the perfect plan: Let’s implement Official Languages Act to the hilt and ensure that Tamils get all the same opportunities as Sinhalese. That will definitely kill the separatist plans. What do you think.”

    I have said this earlier in DBSJ blog. I agree with you. If it is made a rule for all to learn Tamil and Sinhala from grade 1 and make all government materials and announcements in both languages, and opportunities given to those who are fluent in both languages would solve most of the issues. For a start, they should at least implement that all government administration staffs, servant, police, forces and mainly politicians fluent in both languages.

  139. My Dear Surya,

    Sinhala people pls take note of the comments “Tamils were everywhere in the east”.LOL..

    What a load of garbage we have been taught in school to say that sri lanka gave birth to sinhala civilation and the country had ruhunu ,maya & pihiti and later on Kandyan Kingdo,Kotte & Jaffna. LOL..

    Never in history have you ruled east my fiend Surya. You can dream and dream and dream.Tamils live only in a smallstretch aling the east cast. As I have explained earlier the internal areas have always been sinhala my friend. It is in these neglected lands that the sinhala were resettled.This is like the black man getting his due place in the country in SA.

    As for anuradhapura being bordr.. Border was in Jffna my friend. It was Pihiti rata

    “equate Tamils issues with East Timor, Kosovo, Bangladesh etc”.

    Yes, this is Tamil Nadu not in the sri Lanka.

    “Biggest challenge to do this is that the so called UN arena is closed for Tamils as we do not have the legal power to appear easily as any other member states like SL”

    you do not need to be a memenr of UN to get something recognised. Madela did from jail.Bottom line is world knows that you are asking for something that is not yours

    Bottom Line is you tamil guys can not sell succefully the homeland concept internationally. All the embassies in Sri Lanka know what the realhistory ismy friedn.

    Your tradituional homaland is Tamil Nadu not in Sri lnaka, you know you can not get it in India, it will take india just a few minutes to crush a tamil rebelian

  140. [NW:
    Isn’t it a proper scheme of devolution?

    MAS:
    The 13th is not a proper scheme. We have rejected it, to quote Prof. G.L. Peiris’s own words, as “fundamentally flawed”.]

    This is another of those inumerable educated idiot tamils who we have had in abundace in the past who have brought us to the present situation.They never had the practicality of people like the uneducated sauntharamoorthy thondaman who believed in step by step approach and helped his people little by little.

    Now TNA is making the same mistake that prabhaharan made,sabotaging india’s efforts to cool the situation in this country and thereby exasperating our big neighbour.

    Also by rejecting the 13th amendment he is letting mahinda off the hook,as he will say to india now that he is prepared to implement it,but no point because TNA is rejecting it.

    If the TNA had just said that the 13th amendment would be a proper foundation on which the house( which is the ‘plus’ that mahinda has promised to india to garner its support to wipe out the LTTE and which he has been talking about for the last three years)can be built,then a confrontation between india and mahinda would have been inevitable.India would have moved from a pro mahinda stance to a neutral one which would have international ramifications for mahinda.

  141. shankar says:
    February 11, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    This is another of those inumerable educated idiot tamils who we have had in abundace in the past who have brought us to the present situation.They never had the practicality of people like the uneducated sauntharamoorthy thondaman who believed in step by step approach and helped his people little by little.

    ————————————

    At Last some one shed the racist label and called the spade a spade.

    Salute you shankar. Are u by any chance related to Soosai’s BIL?

  142. M.Sivananthan says:
    February 11, 2012 at 12:34 am
    Samarasekara:

    PALLAV is a SANSKRIT word and nothing to do with Persian. The Tamil word MUTHALI is a direct translation of Pallava. Pallav means first leaves of a plant in Sanskrit.
    —————-

    Dear friend M Sivanthan,

    There are ample litriture available that PALLAWA were orgine from IRANE(persia).

    Therefore finding link of tamil from PALLAWA is not materialise.

    But there enough litriture for tamils came from ETHIOPIA, WEST AFRICA. ect.
    These litritures are very interseting. You also could view them from internet.

    Significant point is even before year 2000 there was not tamil kindom in india.
    The available oldest evidence is king ASOKA’S lirtiture(scripts). His KALSI GIRI script mensioned 5 kindoms those beyond of his empire and situated in southen teretory named, PANDIYA,CHERA,SATHIYA PUTHRA,CHOLA,and THAMBRAPANNI.

    If there was a tamil kindom he sould mensioned it.

    At present though it called TAMIL NADU. The tamils are not the whole race. They are limit more or less 35% .

    samarasekara

  143. I agree with Ravi Perera “it is a waste of time” discussing academic matters with those who do not measure up – but for different reasons. While it is useful to exchange views with the learned – and there are many in these blogs as well – to do so with those who are outside the loop is a tragic waste of time. To answer your elementary question ask yourself why Tamilis the dominant language in the Eastern Province from centuries ago till now. Better still, have a chat with the learned who have done in-depth studies and reaearch into the complex subject.

    ISS

  144. Dear Wije:

    If the level of your SL/Ilangai history (Feb 09) is such that you are clueless about
    if there was Tamil rule in the Island, you should be doing more reading than
    teaching. There was a man identified as SWRDB – a Sinhalese. Ask someone what
    he said in Jaffna in 1926, a short while after he came after a liberal education
    in England. On the other hand, if you learnt your history of the country from
    brains like that of Nalin de Silva, I can understand your predicament.

    ISS

  145. Dear Ravi;

    Please go back and read the comments in full.

    I really don’t want to do this but…
    I am not sure why Sinhala friends need to take note, they already knows, but may be the Ravi “Perera” may have to take note, because you seems behind on the history, as your history may have started after Portugal arrival.

    You are right, it was a load of garbage, GOSL tried to put in kids mind not only Sinhala the funny part they made Tamil version for Tamils student too..

    You seem to be studying a lot of one sided history buddy. Please open up your horizon, come out of the mahavamsa mindset. The Island belongs to both Tamil and Sinhala. Ilanka Tamil is not from TN, their civilization started the same time the same way it started for Sinhala in the south.

    To refresh your mind, Mandela and Ghandi did it against bit civilized British. Mandela was safer within British controlled jail but you know what happened to Thangathurai and Kuttimani under Shinala controlled Welikada jail.

    Again my friend Ravi Perera, Ilankai Tamils traditional homeland is also the Island as to Shinhalalese!

  146. [They are telling them you come with the gun and we’ll give you more.]

    More of nanthikadal.

    This stubborn lawyer does not understand that there maybe international laws and he can study them the whole day if he wants to,but there is nobody to enforce the law.He is talking of laws for the right to seperate etc when today the syrian government is shelling its own towns and there is no one to stop it because the chinese and the russians have vetoed the UN resolution.

    Welcome to the practical world MR.Sumanthiran.You are too young to understand it.You are being used by the cunning old fellows lurking in the background and using you and you really think you are now a leader of the tamils and enjoying your sudden prominence.Don’t forget that you were not even elected,but merely nominated because they felt you can be used for their purposes.Why don’t you tell sampanthan to do all the talking,otherwise make you the leader and step aside.

  147. wije says:
    February 10, 2012 at 8:26 am
    Dear samarasekera

    Unfortunately your knowledge of history is very weak. Prince Vijaya did not go to “PALLAWA” kingdom but to Madurai which was most certainly Tamil for wife.
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    Dear friend Wije,
    Sorry to respond so late,

    Prince Vijaya didn’t go MADURAI but MADURAPURA. MADURAPURA was the capital of PANDAWA.Pandawas are not TAMILS. The Pandaya first king was HASTHINAPURA king.He defeated ANGA, MAGADA,KAASHI,KALINGA kindoms and spread his kindom. Not only taht his power spread to southern KALINGA(ORISSA)

    PANDAWAS were nit TAMILS, but ARIANS.

    samarasekara

  148. THERE IS NO TAMIL PROBLEM AS SUCH

    There is no tamil problem as such. Most of tamil’s problems are solved. After solving these problems now they changed the rithem and asking more.

    If it is not the problem, what is this?

    IT IS called ASPIRATIONS.

    More or les all tamils have an aspiration that SPECIFIC KINDOM FOR TAMILS.

    Firstly they tried to achive this aspiration in India. But it was failed.
    Now they are trying to achiveing this aspiration in Srilanka.

    Nothing eles.

    samarasekara

  149. My dear Surya,

    As i have said many manay times Sri Lanka gave birth to the sinhala civilsation just as much Tamil Naduu gave birth to tamil civilisation. England gave birth t the anglo saxon civilisation. Just because the anlo saxons live in Canada, Australia & NZ can you call these countries their traditional homaland. No my friend, these countries have become part of their new homeland. Yes, you did have a presence in the island since 13th century so did the protugees from the 16th century. Wether my begining came with the arrival of protugees or not is not the issue man,it is that a small minority group of 8% are asking for 1/3 of the country to be governed when you are not the rightful owners of the country. That is it man

  150. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan
    “To answer your elementary question ask yourself why Tamilis the dominant language in the Eastern Province from centuries ago till now”

    I do not which century from you mentioning here. It is now spoken in central hills too, not to mention western province.
    As i have explained many times before tamil and muslim areas are along the coast of about 10 miles. Eastern province was created by annexing these area with large tracks of purana negleceted and sparesely populated sinhala villages to creat the eastern province. The tamil language was not spoken widely in these araes. It is like inthe western province from Moratuwa to kotahene a along the coast tamil is widely spoken but not inthe interiors of western Province.

    Hope I explained well here.

  151. Dear Deva;
    “Have you forgotten over one million (& ever increasing) Up Country Tamils were accommodated in 100% Sinhala Buddhist lands in Kandyan Lands in up country ?..”

    In TN, majority in any cities, they trace their root to non-TN. It has never been an issue, they kind of integrated with Tamils in TN. There are many Tamils in Colombo, and Sinhalese are coping with it. Then why Tamils are resisting Sinhalese to live in NE? Tamils would never prevent Sinhalese from living with them in NE. The problem Tamils facing now is fear of loosing what they got. Not sure how to put it, I will try, Please do correct me if I am wrong. I am not talking on behalf of all Tamils; it is just my personal view as a Tamil.

    So what is the fear the Tamils have when Sinhalese living in NE? When a Tamil move to Sinhala area, they are not sponsored by GOSL as a special settlement. Tamils have to move by themselves and rent or buy land by themselves. Most of the times they pay much higher rate when renting or buying compare to Sinhalese. Even if Tamils move, they don’t Tamilize the village or village name. They don’t install Thiruvalluvar/Avaiyar/Navalar statues all over to change the identity of the village/city. The ethnic ratio is still high so Tamils cannot do much harm politically. Whatever happens, Sinhalese have a feeling that the Island belongs to them and nothing can happen to it and it is officially/non-officially protected in Sri Lanka.

    On other hand Tamils get fear when Sinhalese settle down. They come in groups of people sponsored mainly by GOSL and many times lands are given for free of charge. The first thing they try to do is, install Buddha status where ever possible and look for Bodhi trees. Start calling streets and city with Sinhalanized names and gradually make it the official name. The village/city slowly starts loosing its Tamil identity and take over Sinhala identity.

    So what about all those Tamils living in Colombo? Colombo is the capital, we have to look at it differently as any capital will hold people from all over the country and many capital cities holds people from all over the world. One of the other reason more Tamils living in Colombo is war. May wants to leave NE to protect their kids from constant shelling and bombing and kidnappings by all (GOSL, LTTE and other militants). Some got lucky to get of the country but those who couldn’t afford to go out, they settle down in Colombo. I am sure the number will start decreasing if the country comes up with a solid political solution.

    Whether it is Colombo or other Sinhala areas, yes, many good hearted Sinhalese protected Tamils during all the government sponsored riots; but they cannot protect all the Tamils all the times; still many died and lost their belongings. No Sinhalese can guarantee there will not be another riots. When there is a riot, even a Sinhala loving Tamil have to run to Jaffna or NE for protection. This make Tamils fear that loosing NE will leave them homeless forever.

    I don’t want to contradict myself or defend but hope to bring some thoughts. Yes Central province is Sinhala area but many upcountry Tamils are there. However, Nuwarealia, Banderalwela, Haputala, Buddla etc is still hold Sinhala identity and name. Upcountry Tamils have contributed more human energy to the development of the country than us (Sinhaleses or Illankai Tamils). They were brought by British to do the job that we rejected to do. SL main export revenue is still coming form their hard work. Upcountry Tamils were part of the batch that took by British not only to central SL but also to Malaysia, Africa, South America, etc.. Most/All of those countries integrated them as part of them for all the hard works they did. But in SL, most of the upcountry Tamils are still getting low wages for their hard works but still helping build the economy. It won’t be fair to send those people out after all the hard works they did for the country, still SL had deported many of them.

    Basically, I think, if all minorities’ rights are protected in the core of the constitution, it will give assurance to all minorities and get rid of the fear. Federalism or altering the constitution to provide equal rights and opportunity to all is not going to hinder Sinhalese but empower the whole country.

  152. Dear Ravi;

    I am giving up on you buddy. You are conveniently omitting things to suit you argument. As I said in my comment earlier “Ilankai Tamil civilization started the same time the same way in the North as it happened for Shinhala in the south”. Ilankai Tamils presented in the island ever since the Sinhala origin presented in the country. If you really interested, read more multi-sided history on SL with open mind, it will be crystal clear to you. I am not going to waste more time as I have already commented on how Illanki Tamils become 8% and they have all the right to claim NE as their homeland.

  153. wije says on feb 6

    No you are absolutely correct, Canada and Switzerland are both completely different from Sri Lanka and it is utter nonsense to suggest that Sri Lanka can adopt their modes of governance.
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    How does srilanka differ from switz in size?In fact switz is about half the size of srilanka and about one third of its population.It hasn’t even got a coastline at all. Yet it has a per capita income that is one of the highest and is considered one of the most peaceful and prosperous countries in the world.

    What makes it different from others?In a nutshell it is governance.Superior governance has made switzerland the most competitive country in the world,beating singapore to second place.

    One of the key aspects of governance in switzerland is devolution of powers with its canton system wherein a canton is a more or less self governing unit,and to make any changes in it a referendum will have to be held in the canton.Devolving powers to the people has saved the country from becoming a member of the eurozone and having the euro as a weak currency and instead have the swiss franc as one of the most stable and safe haven currencies in the world,so much so that the swiss have had to devalue it in order to keep up their exports.The swiss people rejected the EU and opted to be out of it.My dealing with them and visits to the country have shown me that they are very matured in their outlook and one of the reasons for it,i believe is because they have been taught to analyse and think on issues,leaving aside emotions and prejudices.By devolving maximum powers to the people,this is how you train them up to think and mange their affairs with less and less reliance on government.They are also a multiethnic society like us with german,french and italian,but they regard themselves as swiss.

    If we adopts the swiss model of governance,we will be well on the way to becoming the switzerland of asia.While our governance model should be switzeland,our economic model should be taiwan,which is a very similar type of island to ours but only about half our size,but having the same characteristics such as proximity to a very large neighbour and competitor,but yet doing very well for itself.This is what you call cherry picking.

  154. Dear Surya,

    Giving up on me is ok, but don’t give upon the international community if you want the homeland (North East) to be accepted. Just accept the simple fact that your homeland is Tamil Nadu not Sri Lanka.

    As to how you became 8%,yes, you did mention about the mansions your forefathers have passed onto you.
    As i said earlier I have been to jaffna and seen the mansions as well a the reputation you have for living in mansions. LOL..

  155. Dear Surya,
    Fear of Illankai Tamils is unfounded, if millions of Up Country Tamils live among Sinhalese in Kandyan areas & their agitation for SL citizenship when Indian Citizenship was readily available say much about peaceful & secure life they enjoy among Sinhalese.
    Most peaceful area in the country during the 30 years war was up country plantation areas, with no any single bomb explosion or terror attack or forcible abduction of children reported.
    Though for argument sake I said that they, millions of Tamils, got settled down in best of Kandyan Sinhala Buddhist lands but there is absolutely no complaint & do not care of ethnic % – ratio
    This huge land of today’s northern & eastern provinces of Sri Lanka is the place where landless people could be settled though it may change ethnic ratio.

    Dear Surya, there couldn’t have been any fear of “losing what we already had” for Illankai Tamils,
    if not for some 8% people’s unreasonable demand for 1/3 of Land & 2/3 of territorial waters of the country as home land,
    if not for Illankai Tamil leadership’s policy of keeping away from majority led GOSL,
    if not for elderly leaders misguiding of younger generations & making them militants.
    Only thing our Illankai Thamils politicos should do is to join hands with Sinhala, Up Country Tamils ( I think they are the biggest minority now , await 2012 census) & Muslims to rule our motherland. (GOSL either green or blue) & I wont be surprised if they most of what they want through by engaging others communities , not by being out side of the gathering.

  156. Ravi Perera;

    If Tamils don’t get their due rights in the Island, I
    don’t think they have much option than going to IC. I hope GOSL will come up with some sort of political solution soon that satisfy all communities.

    Even a small lot in Jaffna is a huge Mansion/estate for us Tamils. You would never understand that feeling. Anyways, “Mansion passed down from forefather” is a story I put in to explain you in simple language, hoping you would get the underlying fact/truth behind Tamils’ justification… If you couldn’t even understand this simple example, you would never understand the Tamil plights!

  157. Ravi Perera, in his own wisdom, concludes “Hope I have explained well” ????
    My man “Hope is swift and flies with swallongs wings …and (mkes)meaner creatures kings” Heard that before? You are a confused dude.

    ISS

  158. Dear Surya,

    I think you have already gone to in international community. It is the unreasonableness of your demands that have not yielded any results for you. I think international community will accept what india says. India will not allow any more than the 13th solution (Certainly won’t allow the North East merger or break the unitary character of Sri lanka).

    From what I hear plan is to devolve powers under the 13th amendmne to the Northern Provincial council under an interim administration who would be run by tamils of credibilty.

    As to how you can justify 1/3 of the country as yours by saying it is something that was passed onto you by your forefathers is not something even you could understand rather than just making a blank statement

  159. illan seran,

    You call me confused no man, i am one of the few sinhalese who still belive the tamils are also owners of this country.If you speak to 100 sinhalese 99 would say this is a sinhala only country.

    All i am trying to say is that the tamil deamnd for such alarge land mass for 5% of the people to rule is not justifiable.

  160. You come in so many names (Ravi Perera, Anonymous) you will even fonfuse old Confucius. In your warped thinking “99/100 Sinhalese say this is Sinhala country …
    5% of Tamils ask for 1/3rd of the sea and 3/5th of the land???” You won’t have many
    Sinhalese agreeing with you either – esxcept those who travel in your immbecile
    trajectory. Even the anti-Tamil Rajapakse regime does not.

    My advise to you, friend, is read/learn more and remain a student. The role of Pedagogue may be far too beyond your reach, as it is.

    ISS

  161. shankar says:
    February 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    What makes it different from others?In a nutshell it is governance.Superior governance has made switzerland the most competitive country in the world,beating singapore to second place.

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    You forget the key difference Swiaa have wise and honest leaders /politicians. That’s why they have good governance. NOT because of devolution of power.

    I think the root cause of Sri Lankan trouble is politicians and their selfish greed ! What ever the political solution you think will give liberation to our land will never be fruitful unless leaders are for the people.

    Look at the incidents that happen today… fuel price hike… fishermen in Chilaw protest March for 2 days…. police open fire… one dead and 4 injured !!!

    Good governance ha?? People vote the government to power… then the government turn the gun to them.

    No politician (government or opposition) of the present lot can be trusted… It was this way for decades now. Things are yet to improve, if not further deteriorating.

    Its best that the world ends on 21st December 2012 !! To hell with all the humans & inhumans!!

  162. Deva,

    Illankai Tamils fear the same way as Sinhalese fear. Tamils fear they will lose their land and become homeless if they don’t get their due rights acknowledged. On other hand, Sinhalese fear that if federalism or some sort of local power given to Tamils, the country will get separated. As I have explained the facts and past examples for the fear of Illankai Tamils (riots, identity change etc..) . The fear cannot just go away without a solid political solution or a strong constitution change. I don’t think Tamils will deny Sinhalese living with them in NE, they just need a political assurance to feel comfortable. After going all these struggles, you can’t just feel safe without any solid foundation.

    I agree upcountry is a peaceful area in the country and I hope it will remain as it is. However the government sponsored riots did affect the minorities all over the island, after Colombo, upcountry was one of the worst affect place during the riots. Yes, the riots didn’t discriminate Illankai Tamils vs. Upcountry Tamils. The issue is nobody can guarantee these riots will not re-appear again without a solid political foundation. The political solution should cover all races, including Muslims so what happened to them in Jaffna will not happen again too.

    I am not for separation but certain things just irritate when people blankly say, like;

    1) “Your homeland is Tamil Nadu, all Tamils belong to TN and go back to TN…”

    The same country also gave birth to Ilankai Tamil civilization just like it did for Sinhalese. This is our country too, not TN. Many historical books may contradict who came first or who came last but the reality is we both Dravidians and we both came together as both our ancestors were no one but adi-dravidar/Vedda…. My comment at February 10, 2012 at 5:54 pm”

    2) “…Tamil demand for such large land mass for 5% of the people to rule is not justifiable… Some 8% people’s unreasonable demand for 1/3 of Land & 2/3 of territorial waters of the country as home land…”

    NE happened to be Illankai Tamils traditional homeland and they just want to retain the status. They would not resist others living with them in NE, in fact Tamils would happily receive, just the acknowledgment or assurance they are looking for.

    Majority in India speak Hindi. The people whose first lanague is Hindi living in MP, UP, Bihar, Delhi etc.. All these states have no access to sea. Hindi people send more MPs to the parliament than any others. However, they never demanded that costal states (Orisa,Maharastra) should be joined with Bihar, MP, UP for fear of separation. They are accepting everyone’s right to their individual homeland. Like others, please do not come back again and say, Illankai Tamils belong to TN and TN is their homeland….

  163. Ravi perera says

    England gave birth t the anglo saxon civilisation. Just because the anlo saxons live in Canada, Australia & NZ can you call these countries their traditional homaland. No my friend, these countries have become part of their new homeland. Yes, you did have a presence in the island since 13th century so did the protugees from the 16th century.
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    Interesting analogy.However you have got a misconception of what a traditional homeland means.Homeland means an area of land that is closely identified with a particular people or ethnic group. This criteria is fulfilled by the tamils of the northeast or the anglo saxons of the US,NZ,australia and canada. Being closely identified does not mean they have automatic ownership of the land.

    As for the word traditional it means a timehonoured practice that is passed from generation to generation.So very clearly there has to be several generations involved for something to become traditional. If you look at the anglosaxons number of generations in the lands that they migrated to it is probably less than 5.So i don’t think they can call those lands there traditional homelands yet.There will be many of them there who were born in england and also many whose parents would have been born in england.So for them US,canada,australia and nz can be considered as homelands,but not traditional homelands.

    As for the tamils in srilanka,except for those who are of recent indian origin,the rest have been here for donkeys of years.If you read your own mahawamsa it will tell that 2300 years ago chola prince elara ruled north of the mahaweli,while his two subkings including kavantissa,the father of dutugemunu ruled south of the mahaweli.There are many cave inscriptions with names and referring to themselves as damila ethnicity.So your contention to make out that tamils are of recent origin like the portugeuse is a joke.Just because you have a portuguese name you think tamils are also of recent origin like you.

    Tamils in the north and east fit the bill in calling those areas their traditional homelands,but i must emphasise that does not give them automatic ownership over that land.It only proves that you are closely identified with that land and many of your generations have lived in it.For ownership you have to produce a deed or someone has to give you one.For the north of course the deed is there because the tamils had the jaffna kingdom for 400 years before your forefathers,the portuguese came from thousands of miles away and plundered and ravaged it in the 16th century.For the east there are no deeds,but the UN could give a deed if they feel that tamils in the eastern province are unable to live peacefully in their traditional homeland due to ethnic cleansing,either subtle or direct,or their dignity and culture is being eroded due to the policies of the sinhala majority government.

  164. Mr Shankar,

    You are having a go at my protugees name. Ha Ha.. . Yes,you are correct my start was about 200 yrs after your start (14th century was 16th century). The fact is my weighted average belonging to Sri lanka is much much more than yours, if you understand what i mean.

    You talk about traditional homeland in the east for Tamils.You have no ownership of East or the southern part of Vanni my friend. I have written many many times on this, pls read my previous writtings.

    As to how elara ruled north of mahaweli is no different to the protugees, Dutch and the English ruling sri Lanka. Your homeland is Tamil Nadu,which gave birth to the Tamil civilisation. This is the country that gave birth to the sinhala civilisation and it is the sinhala homeland.

    Yes, the Sri Lankan govt will have to devolve powers to the North but India will set the limit. Don’t worry about that my friend. Without being over ambitious try to be realistic and achive what you can achive.

    Good Luck

  165. Dear Surya,

    “NE happened to be Illankai Tamils traditional homeland and they just want to retain the status. They would not resist others living with them in NE, in fact Tamils would happily receive, just the acknowledgment or assurance they are looking for.”

    As I have mentioned earlier many many many times the histotrical facts northe numbers justify the east being part of tamil homeland. Sri Lankas history did not start in 1948 to say sinahal people have colonised East. I have explained many many times about the truth of colonisation. Read my prev paragraphs.

    India is a union of states which have come to gether to form India, where as in sri lanka the provinces were created bythe british for admin purposes. Initially there were 5 provinces and the Eastern Province included Polonnaruwaa. Due to polonnaruwa Sinhalese were an outright majority. If the prev provincial boundaries were there would you have claimed the east as your homeland. In the east Tamil & Muslima areas are in a stretch of 10 miles from the sea. Internal areas were sparsely populated sinhala villages, and it is here that the sinhala villages were resettled. The sinhala electorate in Ampara (which is about 78% of the district) had a 90% sinhala even in 1948. More people were resttled in 1948 under Gal oya. Your majority in the east 1948 was due to the fact that the little area the tamils were living had a far greater population density than the sparsely populated sinhala villages.

    The tamil attempt to merger east with the North is no differet to your example of Hindi states trying/not trying to merge with Orissa.

    As to the Illankai thamil homeland is no different to the anglo saxon homeland in Canada, Australia & NZ, of course in these countries their precence is 300 yrs vs your presence in SL of 800yrs(since the 14th century).

    Be realistic my friend don’t try to justify that 1/3 is tamil homeland. It is just words, you can not justify this in terms of numbers or historical facts.Think of a startegy where by you can put pressure on the Sri lankan government and win something.

    War crimes is certainly one startegy. Yes, war crimes may well have happened and that is why the tamil groups are ferociously showing interset to pursue this matter.
    All you have to do is show the same focus to justify your homeland concept and get it justified internationally. You won’t because you know you can’t.

  166. Shankar,

    I did not notice Ravi Perera claiming “England gave birth to the Anglo-Saxon civilisation”??? So there you are. Many of these bloggers, though I admire their
    interest in the National Question, are simply mediocre. He probably does not understand who/what Saxon is. He might now learn it has and is, arguably, the greatest enduring civilisation in Western Europe – whereas England is outside
    Europe in the Isles.

    ISS

  167. Ravi perera says on February 16, 2012 at 2:20 am

    [You have no ownership of East or the southern part of Vanni my friend.]

    I have already said in my comment that tamils do not have a deed for the east,so why are you trying to make out that i said that the tamils had ownership of the east?
    As for the parts of southern vanni that you claim was not owned by tamils,here is the map of the jaffna kingdom,pray tell me which part of the southern vanni is not included in it?Have you heard of pandaravannian,the last chief of the vanni,who gave the dutch such a hard time,in fact the last one in the island to go down to the dutch after fighting them for decades.If he did not have ownership why was he shedding the blood of his people to fight the dutch.Why didn’t the sinhalese fight the dutch in the parts of the southern vanni that you claim they owned?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sri_Lanka_geopolitics,_1520s.png

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    ravi perera says

    [As to how elara ruled north of mahaweli is no different to the protugees, Dutch and the protugees, Dutch and the English ruling sri Lanka]

    A time factor of 2000 years according to you makes no difference.Maybe that is because at that time your portuguese ancestors would have been naked hunter gatherers chasing animals while ours had a great civilisation and kings until the portuguese came on the pretext of trading and destroyed them.

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    ravi perera says

    [Your homeland is Tamil Nadu,which gave birth to the Tamil civilisation. This is the country that gave birth to the sinhala civilisation and it is the sinhala homeland.]

    I gave you the definition of a homeland.It is the land that is closely identified with a people or ethnic group.The sinhalese are not closely identified with the north and east,full stop.If you are bringing your own theories to define a homeland then i can bring mine too and say those who have portuguese names should have portugal as their homeland.I won’t do that of course because i don’t want to show on this blog to others that i’am stubborn charcter like you.

    By the way can you show us in the north and east the civilisation that specifically relates to the sinhalese that you claim they gave birth to?The dagobas,bhuddhist temples,stupas,irrigation facilities and tanks built by sinhalese,sinhaleseculture,sinhalese language etc,etc,not that it makes any difference to the definition of homeland,even if there was such things.I know that there is an abundunce of these in the rest of the country,except the north east.
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    ravi says

    [Yes, the Sri Lankan govt will have to devolve powers to the North but India will set the limit.]

    Why should india set the limit?Devolution of powers can go upto the level that india has given to tamilnadu.That will be the limit that india will set.That is the maximum and nothing more.

    It is not india that will set limits on on devolution of powers,but srilanka,because sinhalese will say they are a distinct race from indians,and what indians give to fellow indians has nothing to do with them and they don’t need to follow their model.That is why mahinda is always talking of home grown solution.I have no grouse with that as long as he is capable of being innovative and find one that is better than the indian solution and he finds it fast without it being just a pie in the sky. If you haven’t the capacity for innovative ideas then you don’t have a choice but to copy those who have found good ideas in other parts of the world.

  168. Mr Shankar,

    Shankar Says,

    “A time factor of 2000 years according to you makes no difference.Maybe that is because at that time your portuguese ancestors would have been naked hunter gatherers chasing animals while ours had a great civilisation and kings until the portuguese came on the pretext of trading and destroyed them.”

    I do no know why you say time factor of 2000 yrs makes no diifference here. The simple fact is your Elara was an invader to the sinhaladveepaya and he rules northern part of mahaweli by force until great dutugemunu the graeter southerner over ruled him. This is no different to Protugees, Dutch & the Britisg Ruling Sri lanka. Just invaders.
    As for my protugees ancestry i have explained previously that my weighted average belonging to the sinhaladeepaya is far greater than tamil people.
    We sinhalese know about your great civilisation and also about the MANSIONS(Surya mentione dthe big mansions your great forefathers passed on to you) you live in. This is exactly how you left your great civilisation and live in countries like protugal.

    Shanka ra says.
    “By the way can you show us in the north and east the civilisation that specifically relates to the sinhalese that you claim they gave birth to?The dagobas,bhuddhist temples,stupas,irrigation facilities and tanks built by sinhalese,sinhaleseculture,sinhalese language etc,etc,not that it makes any difference to the definition of homeland,even if there was such things.I know that there is an abundunce of these in the rest of the country,except the north east.”

    my dear friend the sinhalese do not have to show that the East is our traditional homeland.It is you who will have to prove in order to secure the North East as merged province. Shear numbers do not allow you to merge this province, hence the only other option is to give historical facts. Fact is which part of history did the tamils rule East. Never in history man.
    As for Vanni out of 2500 yrs yes, you did rule for 300yrs I suppose this is the reason the vanni is your homeland.

    Mahindas home grown solution is just a delaying tactic. He will do it only if India forces. But india will also set a lmit and not create problems in its backyard where the great civilisation will also stat asking for the same powers.

    You can define homeland the way yyou want. The fact is you are claimingthe North and East as traditional tamil homeland where you want to merge the two provinces and rule. The fact the sinhalese have a greater ownership this area particularly the east.

    If you have such a justifibale cause why do you have to wait till mahinda gives a solution. Take it up in the UN and get it recognised. North may be, but India will object. East nevber man never. You tamils know it.The sinhalese & the burgers also know it. The muslims too.

  169. Ravi Perera, then why the 1987 accord between India and Sri Lanka states that the North and East are the traditional homelands of the Tamils and had agreed to be merged.

    Why not take the census report from the 19th century onwards to those areaa and see for yourself the population distribution.

  170. Mr Mahesh,

    Indo Lanka Accord was foeced on us by India. We sinhalese did not have a choice and the sinhalese people did show their opposition in the form of JVP then. You say that the demography has changed since 1881. For starters remember Sri Lankaqs history did not start in 1881.The so called colonisation started in 1948 and not 1881.

    Why do you talk about 1881 go back to 1831, when the English first had 5 provinces. Eastern province included Polonnaruwa. Due to polonnaruwa the Sinhala people were an over whelming majority in the East. Then the English Created 9 provinces and wqs done in a manner that relatively thickly populated Tamil coastal areas were annexedith large tracks of sparsely populated Sinhala villages to create the ILLUSION. It is in these sparsely populated sinhala villages that the sinhala people were resettled. I have explained MAnY MANY MANY times in this blog the real TRUTH behind colonisation.

    You and your Tamil arguments about colonisation is no different to the Whites complaining of changes now happening in South Africa.

    Besides the Darusman report which talks about War Crimes by Sri Lanka specifically talks about the Land issue in Sri Lanka. The report clearly says that the Lands have to be equitably distributed as well.

  171. Were BC and DC pacts were also forced on you. There was Madras Presidency, comprising Tamil Nadu, Parts of Andra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala.

    It was then divided into different states on the basis of language. Likewise the British could have also done this splitting to facilitate better administration, to group Tamils and Sinhalese.

    Tamils say that Sri Lanka was never one. The Sinhalese lived in their own kingdoms and the Tamils had their own Kingdom. They would say that the British had done injustice in uniting the island to facilitate better administration and thereby doing grave injustice to them.

    Your own statement shows that the Sinhalese were not in majority in all of the Polonaruwa.

    Then why are you objecting if those places where you were not dwelling were split and made into a separate province?

    Anyhow you people were not living in Trinco in large numbers then. Then how can you justify your colonization now.

    Whether thickly populated or thinly populated you cannot force the demographic change anywhere and you cannot also justify it.

    By this you are trying to change the characteristics of that place artificially using brute force which led to the creation of another brute force called VP.

    You said the accord was thrust upon you. When the Thimpu talks led to nowhere only the India had to intervene.

    It was your track record of honoring the accords which forced the Amir to request India to sign the treaty on behalf of the Tamils there.

    CHATRAPATHI SHIVAJI WAS ARRESTED IN THE AGRA, WHEN HE WENT TO PAY RESPECTS TO AURANGAZEB. THERE HE WAS INSULTED IN THE ASSEMBLY HALL.

    SHIVAJI BECAME VERY ANGRY AND PROTESTED THIS INSULT. FOR WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED AND PUT BEHIND THE BARS IN HOUSE ARREST.

    AURANGAZEB WANTED TO KILL HIM THEN AND TO GET RID OF HIS ENEMY THERE ITSELF.

    WHEN HIS SISTER JAHANARA CAME TO KNOW ABOUT IT SHE SAID TO HER BROTHER THAT SHIVAJI HAD COME TO THE CAPITAL ON HIS ASSURANCES AND NOW HE CANNOT GO BACK ON HIS ASSURANCES.

    SHE ALSO SAID THAT IF HE DIDN’T HONOR HIS COMMITTMENTS THEN NOBODY WILL RESPECT HIS WORDS HEREAFTER.

    SO HE RELAXED HIS EYES UPON HIM.

    WHEN YOU ENTERED INTO ACCORDS YOU SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO FULFILL YOUR PART OF IT HONESTLY. YOU HAD THROWN THE ACCORDS INTO THE DUST BIN MANY A NUMBER OF TIMES.

    THAT MADE YOU A LESS OF SOVEREIGNITY. YOU SINHALESE ARE THE CHILDREN OF A LESSER SOVEREIGN, WHO DOES NOT KEEP UP HIS WORDS.

    SO SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE TO PUT THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE AGAINST THE TAMILS AND THAT IS THE REASON OF THE 1987 ACCORD.

    WHEN YOU DON’T HONOR YOUR OWN WORDS YOU MUST BE FORCED TO LISTEN TO DHARMA.

    THAT IS WHAT INDIA TRIED TO DO THEN.

    IT WAS NOT ENOUGH. INDIA SHOULD HAVE SENT A TWO BRIGADE LEVEL OF FORCE TO COLOMBO AND GIVEN ITS TASTE OF HELL TO YOU. THEN THIS PROBLEM WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED.

  172. Ravi Perera says:
    February 17, 2012 at 1:20 am
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    [I do no know why you say time factor of 2000 yrs makes no diifference here. The simple fact is your Elara was an invader to the sinhaladveepaya and he rules northern part of mahaweli by force]

    You still don’t get it do you.Elara’s troops and his settlers he brought in have been there on the island 2000 years before your ancestors,the portuguese.They did not leave the island.So who has a better claim for homeland,you who has been here only 300 years or they who have been here for 2300 years?Here is an excerpts which will give you an idea of what happenned to them subsequently to dutu vanquishing elara in single combat

    “The Mahavamsa contains numerous references to the loyal troops of the Chola empire and portrays them as a powerful force. They held various positions including taking custody of temples during the period of Parakrama Bahu I and Vijayabahu I.[7][8] There were instances when the Sinhalese kings tried to employ them as mercenaries by renaming a section of the most hardcore fighters as Mahatantra. According to historian Burton Stein, when these troops were directed against the Chola empire, they rebelled and were suppressed and decommissioned. But they continued to exist in a passive state by taking up various jobs for livelihood.[9] The Valanjayara, a sub-section of the Velaikkara troops, were one such community, who in the course of time became traders. They were so powerful that the shrine of the tooth-relic was entrusted to their care.[10][11] When the Velaikkara troops took custody of the tooth-relic shrine, they renamed it as Mūnrukai-tiruvēlaikkāran daladāy perumpalli.[12] There are also multiple epigraphic records of the Velaikkara troops. In fact it is their inscriptions, like for example the one in Polunnaruva that are actually used to fix the length of the reign of Sinhalese kings; in this case Vijayabahu I(55 years).”

    Yes,you are right,elara was an invador who ruled this island for 44 years,but then who was vijaya? Wasn’t he an invador by stealth,first coming with the hand of friendship and marrying the queen kuveni,and then chasing her and his own children by her into the forest,after establishing himself as the king of lanka.Kuveni went back to her yaksha people and was killed by them for her treacherous act of handing the kingdom of lanka to foreighners due to her lust for the fair and handsome vijaya.Furthermore vijaya did not have a heir to the throne by his second wife,the pandya princess he married,and they had to get down his relative panduvasudeva from orissa to rule,so that the house of vijaya line is unbroken. So the sinhala civilisation you are talking about is not a homegrown one(like mahinda’s pie in the sky homegrown solution),but one that was given birth to in kalingha,present day orissa,and brought down here to srilanka.So since you are saying srilankan tamils homeland is tamilnadu because it gave birth to the tamil civilisation,then in the same vein orissa should be the homeland of the sinhalese,because orissa gave birth to the sinhalese civilisation,don’t you think?So since you say that traditional homeland is defined as where the civilisation gave birth to(which definition i don’t agree to anyway),then traditional homeland of the sinhalese is orissa isn’t it?I know from your writings you are a very stubborn character,like our very own sivananthan,but have a think and come back to me,whether you still want to stick by your definition of traditional homeland,or whether your stubborn DNA has changed for the better.
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    ravi perera continues to hallucinate saying,

    [my dear friend the sinhalese do not have to show that the East is our traditional homeland.It is you who will have to prove in order to secure the North East as merged province.]

    My dear ravi,if sinhalese cannot show that east is their traditional homeland,then whose is it?Can you tell me that?It has to be somebody’s no.If the tamils go to the third umpire and give their claim to him as to why they consider the east as their traditional homeland,it makes it much easier for him to make a decision if the sinhalese cannot show that it is their traditional homeland.Then he can eliminate the sinhalese and just look at the muslim and tamil claim only.
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    Ravi perera continues with verbal diarrhea saying,

    [Shear numbers do not allow you to merge this province, hence the only other option is to give historical facts. Fact is which part of history did the tamils rule East. Never in history man.]

    I gave you the definition of traditional homeland,which is a land that is lived in for generations by a particular people or ethnic group and which is closely identified with them.

    You don’t need to rule a land to call it your traditional homeland. However you can’t call yourself the owners of the land,because someone else owns it.It is like living in your own property or in a rental one.If the eelamists go to a third umpire with claims of ownership,it will be rejected because historical facts show that it was part of the kandyan kingdom before the colonialists came and made the island into one nation.The eelamists have always been donkeys.

    My definition of traditional homeland is a universally accepted one and you can refer any dictionary.Your definition with birth of civilisation etc due to your hallucinatic nature will only backfire on you.At least tamilnadu is next door,but you will have to go all the way to orissa.
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    ravi perera continues with his intellectual masturbation saying,

    [As for Vanni out of 2500 yrs yes, you did rule for 300yrs I suppose this is the reason the vanni is your homeland.]

    Vanni has been ruled by independent tamil chieftains for much more than the 404 years that it was directly ruled by the jaffna kingdom.(by the way i notice that you always reduce a 100 or 200 years,just like vijaya a stealthy character indeed).

    Anyway what was the boundaries of the kingdoms just before the colonialists took over is more than sufficient for an independent umpire to make a judgement,because if you keep on going back,where will we stop.if we should look at 2500 yeras as you claim,tamils and sinhalese will have to go back to tamilnadu and orissa/kerala/tamilnadu respectively.

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    ravi perera,now utterly confused says

    [If you have such a justifibale cause why do you have to wait till mahinda gives a solution. Take it up in the UN and get it recognised.]

    The UN does not get involved with devolution of powers.If you want to have your own country only,you have to put in an application to the UN,like what mahmoud abbas did recently for palestine.Tamils will have to put in an application one day,but that should be a last resort only.Anyway their ownership claim to the east will be rejected by the UN based on historical facts so don’t worry about this traditional homeland stuff.

  173. SHANKAR

    LONG TIME NO SEE.

    ANY HOW PLEASE ACCEPT MY BELATED VALENTINE’S DAYS WISHES. HOPE YOU BE MY VALENTINE SOME TIME SOON.

  174. Ravi, you are awesome. I tried to ignore you but you keep tempting me. Soon I am going to have family issue because I am spending more time in DBSJ blog; you probably going through the same too… 🙂

    “As I have mentioned earlier many many many times the histotrical facts northe numbers justify the east being part of tamil homeland. Sri Lankas history did not start in 1948 to say sinahal people have colonised East.”

    Well even after you said many, many, many times, I am still not convinced man. I still think my argument is stronger than yours. Let me see why?

    I think Sri Lanka’s history started well after 1948. It used be called Ceylon. Ceylon was much different from current Sri Lankan constitution. Before Ceylon (Dutch/Portuguese/English), it was not even close to what we have now; it was not a unified country; Island itself contained lots of different Emperors, Kingdom, Kings, small Kings, Chieftains, etc…

    Emperor rules multiple kingdoms; Each Kingdoms may have many small kings reporting to them; Each Kings may have many Chieftains reporting to them. Also many of the Kingdoms, Kings, Chieftains may not be reporting to anyone above, had full control on their own.

    An example to differentiate between the empire and kingdoms is the rule of the British Empire in India. The people from the British Empire were ruling the kingdoms in India while there were many small kings in the country. George V was known as the King of Britain and as the Emperor of India. Another example, Chola was an empire too, who ruled many kings/kingdoms within South India, Sri Lanka, and East Asia etc…

    Coming to our history, Both Illankai Tamils and Shinhalalese come to the Island at the same time (because both of our roots are none other than the same Veddar/Adhi-dravidar). As I said earlier, due to proximity, South India influenced a lot to Northern part compare to the south. Cholan or others did invade the island and took control of many of our Kingdoms/Kings/Chieftains in the island. However they did not just invade the island but also invaded many kingdoms within current TN itself and other part of India. If you are going to say Illankai Tamil civilization started after the Chola arrival, you must be very poor on history buddy. As Sinhalese, our ancestors also looked at Cholan as invaders too, so the people in Rameswaram or other part of TN (other than places like Thanjavur district).

    Chola or other invaders don’t bring their people and settle them, they only come to fight to gain control so they can collect taxes and use the natural resources…. Of course some soldiers or administrative staffs may have stayed over and mingled with locals, but they don’t replace the existing culture or ethnic group with theirs, but do influence… That’s why we have many European words in our language still…

    “Eastern Province included Polonnaruwaa. Due to polonnaruwa Sinhalese were an outright majority. If the prev provincial boundaries were there would you have claimed the east as your homeland? In the east Tamil & Muslima areas are in a stretch of 10 miles from the sea. Internal areas were sparsely populated sinhala villages, and it is here that the sinhala villages were resettled. The sinhala electorate in Ampara (which is about 78% of the district) had a 90% sinhala even in 1948. More people were resttled in 1948 under Gal oya. Your majority in the east 1948 was due to the fact that the little area the tamils were living had a far greater population density than the sparsely populated sinhala villages.”

    Lord Murugan is a popular Hindu deity especially among Tamil Hindus, worshipped primarily in areas with Tamil influences, famously referred as Thamizh Kadavul compared to other parts of India/other Hindus. Kathirkamam is and olden Cilapama or Puthalam, some of the example of how they got sinhalanized. Madakalapu contributed equally as Jaffna to Tamil and Illankai Tamil civilization. If you get some time, please do some deep reading on maddakalapu history to enlighten yourself. Thirukonamalai is always been scared city for Tamils and Tamil Hindus. May have been invaded by Sinhala kings and South Indian kings on and off…Amparai, almost all Eastern and Western areas are sinhalanized. Buddy, Tamils didn’t live 10 miles from the cost; they were pushed to the beach/seabed by Sinhala colonization and/or sinhalanization…Gal oya or Weli Oya, it is all same…
    “India is a union of states which have come to gether to form India, where as in sri lanka the provinces were created bythe british for admin purposes.”

    British may have created the provinces for admin purpose, but remember, Island had many kingdoms/Kings/Chieftains that the European merged together to form Ceylon.
    “your presence in SL of 800yrs(since the 14th century). … Be realistic my friend don’t try to justify that 1/3 is tamil homeland. It is just words, you can not justify this in terms of numbers or historical facts.”
    No buddy not 800 years! Illankai Tamils presence in the Island is no different than the Sinhala ancestors’ presence. Our numbers is low (every body and IC knows why) but we have very strong and obvious historical facts. We don’t need to write any fictitious tamil-wamsam story to proof that.
    “The simple fact is your Elara was an invader to the sinhaladveepaya and he rules northern part of mahaweli by force until great dutugemunu the graeter southerner over ruled him. This is no different to Protugees, Dutch & the Britisg Ruling Sri lanka. Just invaders.”
    Yes agrees, Cholas and other South Indians kings invaded our homeland as the European and Sinhala kings invaded us (still invading us)…
    “As for my protugees ancestry i have explained previously that my weighted average belonging to the sinhaladeepaya is far greater than tamil people.”

    If you say more than upcountry Tamils may be, but not more than Illankai Tamil. If you claim you are Portuguese origin, you are not even close my friend, but as Sinhalese we both have the same weight, no less no high…

    When you cannot argue/defend, you always fall back to shear numbers and %….
    Buddy number changes all the time. China is leading in population; India is second all know this. But do you know after China implemented 1 child policy, now Chinese population is aging or getting more senior citizens. On other hand, Indian population is young, most are in 20s-30s range, and these youngsters are very modern and westernized; chances are they may not produce as much as their elders. You know who is coming up on the top; it is the Arabs and Muslim countries. After the old grate wars in Arab countries, they have lost many men, that lead or allowed Muslim men to marry more than one woman. Even after the war, they still follow it. Muslims in Africa and Middle East will come on top the population map soon. Yes the number change and will change, always change….
    In SL, Yes Illankai Tamils are falling behind but is that mean they have to loose their traditional homeland? In you theory, if Tamil start producing more, then Tamils get the rights to throw out Sinhalese and take over all their lands? Hell NO!
    Please think and try to understand. Tamil not going to resist Sinhalese living in Tamils traditional homeland, just looking for assurance that they will not loose their lands through solid political solution… Please think and try to understand…

  175. Samarasekara:
    Can you show single evidence to prove the PALLAVA =PAHALVA(Persian)?

    Better learn Sanskrit then you will know what is Pallava! You know neither Sanskrit not Persian. That is the problem you have.

    Can you explain Herath Mudiyanselage if you know Sinhala?

  176. My Dear Surya Welcome back sir,
    Surya Says
    “Well even after you said many, many, many times, I am still not convinced man. I still think my argument is stronger than yours. Let me see why? “
    “I think Sri Lanka’s history started well after 1948. It used be called Ceylon. Ceylon was much different from current Sri Lankan constitution. Before Ceylon (Dutch/Portuguese/English), it was not even close to what we have now; it was not a unified country; Island itself contained lots of different Emperors, Kingdom, Kings, small Kings, Chieftains, etc…
    Emperor rules multiple kingdoms; Each Kingdoms may have many small kings reporting to them; Each Kings may have many Chieftains reporting to them. Also many of the Kingdoms, Kings, Chieftains may not be reporting to anyone above, had full control on their own. “

    Well my friend you are not going to be convinced. There are many Whites in South Africa who belive that the South Africa Belongs to them. I guess in a way it is correct because the the present South Africa (Beautiful.. cities, Roads, Infrustructure) was built bythe White man.
    As a Tamil you seem to be having a similar mentality. If you think Sri Lanka history started in 1948 and you can revert to what it was then, good luck to you man. Until 1994 SouthAfrica was ruled by a white minority of 11%, but the changes did take place in 1994.
    Colonisation is a term used for an imperial nation conquering a weak nation forcibly planting its sons & daughters on alien soil. This is exactly what happened in South Africa. Now after 1994 the changes are taking place, where the black man is slowly getting his due place.
    Resttling the Sinhalese people in the east is no different to the balck man getting his due place in South Africa my friend.
    Sri Lanka after years of colonial domination was handed over independence in 1948. The changes that were done had to be done it was the majority the Sinhalese who had been most at a disadvantage. The settling of estate tamils in the central highland did alter the ethnic balance drastically. Now that is a form of colonization, thoughthe settlers were not Englis, Dutch or Protugees
    . Eastern Province was created by annexing large tracks of Sinhala villages(Sparsely populated) with relatively thickly populated coastal areas where the a Tamils and muslims lived. Tamils did live and still do live in a stetch of about 10 miles in the east coast my friend, Except batticalo where it is more than that.
    Gal oya scheme under which the Sinhala villagers were settled were in areas known as Bintanne pattuwa, Wevgam pattuwa which is about 78% of ampara district. Even in 1948 these areas had a 90% Sinhala majority. These are facts you blindly overlook when you accuse the Sinhalese of colonizing.
    As to weli oya, the gandhiyan movement settled Indian tamils in this area to strengthen the claim of traditional tamil homeland. Later on they were chased away and Sinhala people were settled.
    In Trincomalee too the Tamil majority came from the fact that the Trincomalee town had/ have a large tamil population. There were many scattered Sinhala hamlets to the North of the harbor. The interior (Present day Allai/Kanthalai) was largely uninhabitat. By and large the Sinhala people were resettled in the sparsely populated Sinhala purana villages.
    Suraya says
    “British may have created the provinces for admin purpose, but remember, Island had many kingdoms/Kings/Chieftains that the European merged together to form Ceylon.”
    Can you pls let me know which part of the history did a Tamil Kingdom govern the East.I hope you can give a very specific answer here. Unfortunately for Tamil Secenists there is not even a shred of evidence nor even a numerical prepondence.
    The permenanat tamil settlements in the country started around the 10th Century. This was according to Prof Kathigesu Indrapala prof of history Jaffna University.
    Even in the North whilst it is acknowledged that there was a Jaffna Kingdon for about 300 yrs , it is seat of political power was largely restricted to Jaffna Peninsula except for some periods where the reign extended to present day Vanni

    Surya says
    “Lord Murugan is a popular Hindu deity especially among Tamil Hindus, worshipped primarily in areas with Tamil influences, famously referred as Thamizh Kadavul compared to other parts of India/other Hindus. Kathirkamam is and olden Cilapama or Puthalam, some of the example of how they got sinhalanized. Madakalapu contributed equally as Jaffna to Tamil and Illankai Tamil civilization. If you get some time, please do some deep reading on maddakalapu history to enlighten yourself. Thirukonamalai is always been scared city for Tamils and Tamil Hindus.”
    As for Katharagama it is devale for the Sinhala people too. Sinhala people too worship Hindu Gods, a sinhalised form of hindu temples are called Devales About Puttalam & Chilaw being tamil earler,The Tamil invaders once did rule upto Colombo, this is no different to the Protugees , Dutch and the English ruling and influencing us.It was during that time the chilaw and puttlam became tamilised. Madakalppu, Trinco are no different to the Tamils living in Colombo today except ting the fact that they have lived in these towns a lot longer that you live in Colombo now.
    Surya says,
    “No buddy not 800 years! Illankai Tamils presence in the Island is no different than the Sinhala ancestors’ presence. Our numbers is low (every body and IC knows why) but we have very strong and obvious historical facts. We don’t need to write any fictitious tamil-wamsam story to proof that.”
    Well if you have historical facts to prove that the Tamils own 1/3 of the land (Specially Eastern Province), I do not think youhave anything to worry. Pls don’t wait till Mahinda gives you a package, pls get it recognized by the IC.
    You say I give numbers and percentages. Yes,man I do. The only way you can prove the tamil homeland theory is by numerical superiority or by historical facts.
    If you think the international community knows why your numbers are low,( I guess what you are trying to say is the Sinhala people have either killed/chased you or we Sinhalese have been overactive as one person in this blog told me already) and you have historical facts to prove they day won’t be far when a separate Tamil Eelam is established..LOL

    “Surya says “If you claim you are Portuguese origin, you are not even close my friend, but as Sinhalese we both have the same weight, no less no high…”
    My protugees blood is about 2% of me. I have 98% (Hela+Vijaya) blood. This is what I meant by weighted average belonging. You tamils started about 1200 after Vijayas arrival.
    Finally before I go, You Tamils can get a separate homeland in a merged Nort and east either by
    1. Superior Numbers = You can’t because you don’t
    2. Historical Facst = Historical facts are to say it is the Sinhala homeland
    3. By a War , which you tried an failed.
    Also, tell me one single NGO, Country or an organization that accepts the traditional homeland concept. Remebver the whole world backed Mandela or even Yaser Arfat had plenty of Support. No body is telling the Sri lankan govet to even give federalism even only to North let alone being North East.
    International community knows my friend what the history of this country is, In india they still refer to this place as sinhaladveep this is not Mahavansa bedtime stories, these are facts.
    It is better to accept facts in life rather than talk of an illanka thamil culture having the same history as the sinhalaese people. In countries like Canada, Australia & NZ the anglo Saxons do not talkabot canadia,Australian & NZ anglo culture having the same history as the natives.

    Fact is the Tamil homeland is in Tamil Nadu , sinhaladveep is the homeland of the Sinhalese.
    Pls be specific in your answers.

  177. My Dear Shankar,

    Shanka says “You still don’t get it do you.Elara’s troops and his settlers he brought in have been there on the island 2000 years before your ancestors,the portuguese.They did not leave the island.So who has a better claim for homeland,you who has been here only 300 years or they who have been here for 2300 years?Here is an excerpts which will give you an idea of what happenned to them subsequently to dutu vanquishing elara in single combat”

    The soldiers of protugees, Dutch and the English also would have stayed i guess, hence the beginning of the burger community. As for Elaras soldires it is not necesary that they all go or stay here. Most probably they would have been absorbed into the sinhala mcommunity, because the permanent tamil settlemenst startyed in the 10th ecentury (By Prof Kathiragesu Indrapala).
    You say I have been here for 300yrs only.. LOL. Mate my weighted average belonging (2% Protugees+98% Vijaya & Hela) is far far greater than yours my dear frends.

    Shankar says Orissas gave birth tothe sinhala civilisation..LOL
    Is therea single sinhalese living in Orisaa. Na man na.. Sinhala language is still refered to as the helabasava, the evaloution of the sinhales race started withthe the arrival of vijaya.Later on the other additions like Tamils too contributed to this evolution. Prior to that it was hela my friend. The birth of the sinhala civilsation is to this country sinahal dveep or the heladiva, there in lies the difference between the tamil civilisation belonging to Tamil Nadu and the sinhala civilisation belonging to Sinhaladveepa.It certainly is not like a mahinadas home grown pie which will never come through but based on facts and figures.

    Sinhadveep had three kingdoms in Ruhunu, maya & pihiti and during this time the present day East was under the Ruhuna Kigdom and later on when the protugees came ,Kandyan kingdom,Kotte kingdom & Yalapana kingdom and the east was under Kandyan Kingdom. I guess that is enough evidence to say East is part of sinhala hoimeland

    Shankar says
    “If the eelamists go to a third umpire with claims of ownership,it will be rejected because historical facts show that it was part of the kandyan kingdom before the colonialists came and made the island into one nation.The eelamists have always been donkeys.

    Well said man, I don’t have to add to this.SURYA PLS TAKE NOTE.

    Shanka says
    “The UN does not get involved with devolution of powers.If you want to have your own country only,you have to put in an application to the UN,like what mahmoud abbas did recently for palestine.Tamils will have to put in an application one day,but that should be a last resort only.Anyway their ownership claim to the east will be rejected by the UN based on historical facts so don’t worry about this traditional homeland stuff”

    Once again well said. SURYA PLS TAKE NOTE.
    But I think you guys have already tried a mahummud abbas many times. Even the north has and will always be rejected, this is due to India. But there is a good chance that India will annex north Sri lanka. I prefer this to a seerate Tamil kingdom in the North.

    Yres, I am a stubbon character just like most sinhalese when it comes to the Tamil issue, why should we surrender this beautiful country that gave birth to the sinhala civilsation.

  178. Shankar

    .Anyway their ownership claim to the east will be rejected by the UN based on historical facts so don’t worry about this traditional homeland stuff.

    ————————————

    Why should it be so?

    We should accept some archaelogical investigations before accepting the fate of Trinco. Who knows what is in store after such investigations.

    Again and again I see the Sinhalese resorting to percentages, numbers, invaders kind of stories AND also who came first Tamils or Sinhalese etc.

    THIS IS JUST A MANIFESTATION OF THEIR MAHAVAMSA MENTALITY AND MORBID MOBOCRACY.

  179. Dear Mahesh,

    Mahesh says
    “Again and again I see the Sinhalese resorting to percentages, numbers, invaders kind of stories AND also who came first Tamils or Sinhalese etc.”

    When the tamils claim such a huge area as a tamil homeland what else can the sinhalese do other than give facts and figures to prove it is not the tamil homeland.

    Mahesh says,

    “THIS IS JUST A MANIFESTATION OF THEIR MAHAVAMSA MENTALITY AND MORBID MOBOCRACY”

    International community will not belive Mahawansa or Tamil wansa they will rely on thier investigations.

  180. Ravi Perera

    First come out of your Grand ma tales. We will have it investigated scientifically and settle the issue. But even then Veddha will have more rights to the island than sinhalese and the tamils.

    DBSJ was quoting demography of Trinco in that link. Why not comment on that.

    There are number of articles about how the demography had changed since the ninteenth century. not all that was the natural movement of the sinhalese into the tamil territory.

    Many of them or most of them were govt sponsored settlement.

    why don’t you talk about them also.

    AGain and again you are referring to the Mahavamsa only but you are claiming that you have not read it.

    You say tamils came 1200 years after vijaya. First prove the coming of the vijaya. then talk about that.

    ALSO READ THE ARTICLES WRITTEN BY JL DEVANANDA IN THIS BLOG. FIND IT OUT IN THE ARCHIVES.

    Also you can conduct the archaelogical survey of those places and come to a conclusion.

    You say Tamil nadu is the home land of the tamils and the sinhaldweep is the homeland of the sinhalas. By this you are negating your own statement that North is the homeland of the tamils.

    Indians do not refer your place as sinhaladweep we call it sri lanka only.

    you people came from orissa. why not go back to orissa.

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    No body is telling the Sri lankan govet to even give federalism even only to North let alone being North East.

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    All the govts are telling you to settle it peacefully by giving some autonomy like thing.

    This only shows your sinhala supremist mentality and proves that you will not solve this problem politically.

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    THE MORE YOU TALK LIKE THIS RAVI PERERA THE MORE YOU MAKE ME FEEL THAT SINHALESE WILL SEE REASON ONLY IF THEY MEET THEIR NANDHIKADAL / WATERLOO .

    YOU PEOPLE DON’T DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE A SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC. YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO BE KICKED HARD AND GIVEN HARD KNUCKLES FOR YOU TO SEE REASON. FOR YOU TO GIVE EQUAL RIGHTS.

    YOU SAID YOU WON THE WAR.

    wHAT WAR IT WAS. SRI LANKA GOT ALL THE AID FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BY GIVING THEM FALSE PROMISE THAT THEY WILL SOLVE IT POLITICALLY ONCE THE TIGERS ARE FINISHED.

    ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE WAS ONLY LTTE. THE TOP LTTE FIGHTING CADRES DIDNT SURRENDER TO YOU. THEY SIMPLY WENT DOWN FIGHTING.

    YOU GOT ALL THE ARMS AND AMMUNITIONS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.

    IT IS LIKE ONE MAN WAS BEING ASSAULTED BY MANY PEOPLE. THIS VICTORY WAS NOT ENTIRELY YOURS FOR YOU TO BRAG ABOUT.

    IAM CONVINCED THAT YOU WILL NOT ALLOW THE TAMILS TO LIVE IN PEACE IN THE ISLAND.

    WHAT INDIA IS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. INDIA HAS ALSO BEEN FOOLED IN THIS WHOLE DRAMA.

  181. Mahesh,

    FORGOT TO MENTION SOMETHING. WHEN YOU CAN NOT ARGUE LOGICALLY YOU GET EMOTIONAL AND UPSET. PLS DON’T GET UPSET.THE SINHALA PEOPLE MWILL NEVER PLACE THE EAST UNDER A TAMIL ADMINISTRATION, SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET IS EITHER BY FIGHTING WHICH YOU DID AND WENT DOWN FIGHTING OR GETTING THE IC TO PRESSURISE SRI LNAK TO PUT EAST UNDER A TAMIL RULE. THE IC WILL PRESSURISE THE SL GOVT PUTTHE NORTH UNDER TAMIL RULE NOT THE EAST. READ SHANKARS LAST BLOG HE GIVES THE REASON

  182. MAESH,

    I MISS ANOTHER. YOU SAY THE SINHALESE CAME FROM ORISSA. NO MY DEAR, THE EVOLUTION OF THE SINHALESE FROM THE HELAS STARTED FROM YOUR ORISSA/BENGAL. ALONG THE WAY MANY BOTH NORTH/SOUTH INDIANS CONTRIBUTED TO THE SINHALA CIVILISATION. THE BIRTH OF THE CIVILISATION IS TO SINHALDVEEP. YES, MY DEAR PEOPLE STUDYING HISTORY IN INDIA STILL REFER TO SRI LANKA AS SINHALADVEEP.

  183. Ravi Perera says:
    February 18, 2012 at 6:45 am

    [Most probably they would have been absorbed into the sinhala mcommunity, because the permanent tamil settlemenst startyed in the 10th ecentury (By Prof Kathiragesu Indrapala).]

    We do not have any proof that they were absorbed into the sinhala community.Mahawamsa does not state they became sinhalese.If they had it would have said so.In fact you can see that they were still loyal to the cholas because they refused to fight for the sinhalese kings against them.From that we can come to the conclusion where their loyalties lay and probably they would have been absorbed by the cholas in their future very successful invasions.One thing about tamils is they do not change colours easily.

    As for your contention that tamil settlements started in the 10th century,you have to understand that this was not a terra nullis country.It was inhabited by the nagas,rakshas,devas 2500 years.Indrapala would have been talking of buildings,houses etc. 2300 years ago there would have been hardly anything like that to dig out archeologically,but certainly people would have been living in caves and mudhuts.The nagas were living in all the coastal areas of the country and predominantly in the north.With elara ruling north of the mahaweli they would have been converted to saivism and tamil language.That is why the snake worshipping nagas would have hindu idol worships wrapped around by a snake with many heads.Humans are supposed to have evolved from fish to reptiles and animals and then on to humans and the nagas would have been aware of that from stories passed down from generation to generation.
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    Ravi perera,my dear student continues to say

    [Is therea single sinhalese living in Orisaa. Na man na.. Sinhala language is still refered to as the helabasava, the evaloution of the sinhales race started withthe the arrival of vijaya]

    Being a sinhalese you don’t seem to know how your own race evolved,and a tamil like me has to teach you.Shame on you.Now here is lesson 1.

    1.The sinhalese language is an indo aryan language,not a dravidian one.You can’t give birth to it here,which is dravidian lands,unless you brought it from kalingha.As for your contention that no one is talking sinhalese in kalinga now,you have to blame mauryan emperor ashoka who in 265 BCE practically wiped out off the map the once flourishing civilisation in kalinga with one of the most brutal and bloodiest wars in the history of mankind.

    2.Sinhalese are the descendents of vijaya,who arrived in srilanka from kalinga in 543 BCE.So you can see he arrived 265 years before the kalingha war.So why don’t you go back to that 265 years and see whether kalinga was to the sinhalese then what tamilnadu is to the tamils now.Tamilnadu flourished because the cholas,pandyas and pallavas created empires and won many battles,whereas you went kaput to ashoka at the initial stages itself.In fact you would have gone kaput in srilanka too if not for the just elara who protected you in your infancy,until you grew up and decided to repay him by killing him.here is what the mahawamsa says of elara who ruled from 205 BC to 161 BC from anurathapura.

    “The Mahavamsa states that he ruled ‘with even justice toward friend and foe, on occasions of disputes at law,[3] and elaborates how he even ordered the execution of his son on the basis of a heinous religious crime. The same chronicle relates that the king had a bell with a rope attached at the head of his bed, so that all who sought redress might ring it. In particular, he is presented as a tireless defender of the Sinhalese faith and of pointedly treating Sinhala nobles with the same dignity as his Tamil associates.”

    3.Vijaya’s surname was singha and he came from sinhapur in kalinga,present day orissa,and you still dispute that the the name sinhala has its origins in orissa. Not only that he was the eldest son of king sinhabahu and queen sinhaseevali of orissa and got kicked out due to his wild ways and landed here with his 700 followers.From all this you have to admit that the word sinha has nothing to do with srilanka at that time and everything to do with orissa.So it is orissa that gave birth to the sinhalese civilisation here in the same vein that you claim that tamilnadu gave birth to the tamil civilisation here.
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    ravi perera after finishing his history lessons has come back thankfully to present and future and says

    [But I think you guys have already tried a mahummud abbas many times. Even the north has and will always be rejected, this is due to India. But there is a good chance that India will annex north Sri lanka. I prefer this to a seerate Tamil kingdom in the North.]

    No application for a seperate state has been given to the UN.Even the palestinians have done it only after so long.

    India can reject a seperate state for the north,but it cannot stop it.The UN will consider that it is none of its business anyway.The jaffna kingdom was not a part of india or a tribute paying vassal state.After the pandyas got weakened by muslim invasions,the jaffna kingdom was a fully independent one,even rising for a period where it was the foremost kingdom in the island.

    Don’t be too happy about the north becoming a part of india,instead of being an independent country,because if a cyprus like situation occurs india will annex the north as well as the east,because of the trincomalee harbour.You got to undrstand because of our strategic location everyone wants a piece of us.The best way for the sinhalese and tamils to go is to make permanent peace with each other and reconcile,otherwise we are all going to lose one day.

  184. Mr Shankar,

    Thanks for letting me know that Sinhala languge is Indo aryan and not Dravidian one. Wether it is Dravidian or Indo aryan or what ever the birth of the language and the civilisation of sinhala is to this country not Orissa.
    According to Mahavansa Vijaya started the sinhala civilisation. The Nagas, Devas & Yakshas were the three tribes of Helas. The vijay and other migrants over the years contributed to the evolution of the sinhala culture from Helas. Vijayas surname was singhe, wether sinhala derived from his surname or a mix of his surname and Helas is something we do not know for certain. Either way it does not matter. Sinhala as a group of people are closer to the originals helas than the Vijaya and his Orissa/Bengal clan. With ethe arrival of Vijaya and other migrants along with the helas gave rise to a new culture. Birth of the sinhala culture is to this country the sinhaladveep man not orissa, where as your Illankai thamils have migrated to Sri Lanka and culturely/Language is the same as that in Tamil Nadu . This is no different to the Englismen having migrated to Countries like Canada, Australia & New Zealand of course you guys have lived here longer than the Englishmen in these countries.

    Wether Elara has been absorbed into Sinhala or not yes, we do not have proof, may be they went back and started playing in Ranji Trophy for Tamil Nadu. Elar may well have been a just king but the fact is he was an Invader, young Dushta Gamini was determined to knock him out even as a young kid.

    As for your comments “One thing about tamils is they do not change colours easily”. Yes, you are right to a great extend. But I personally know so many estate Tamils who have got sinahlised over the years. I also know some people of batticalo origin who do not speak any Tamil as well.Of course that is living among the sinhalese.

    UN will not do anything to antogonise India. If India opposes a seperate Tamil state in the North then UN will not consider your application.
    India might not annex the whole of East but might annex trinco as well as North. I still prefer this to a seperate tamil kingdom in the North. Who Knows India might make Hindi compulsory in this new state and they too might start playing in the Ranji Trophy.

  185. Shankar,

    Read the following I think this says a lot of the evolution of sinhala than what you preached above.

    The Birth of the sinhala civilisation is to this country the sinhaladveep read thge following.

    History

    It is believed that about the 5th century BCE, settlers from North-Eastern India [5] reached the island of Sri Lanka. According to the chronicle Mahavamsa, the first settlers were Prince Vijaya and his entourage. The settlers merged with the native tribes known as Yakka and Naga who were demon worshipers and snake worshipers. The story of prince Pandukabhaya] In the following centuries, there was substantial immigration from Eastern India-Bengal (Kalinga, Magadha)[6] which led to an admixture of features of Eastern Prakrits.

  186. Ravi Perera

    I MISS ANOTHER. YOU SAY THE SINHALESE CAME FROM ORISSA. NO MY DEAR, THE EVOLUTION OF THE SINHALESE FROM THE HELAS STARTED FROM YOUR ORISSA/BENGAL. ALONG THE WAY MANY BOTH NORTH/SOUTH INDIANS CONTRIBUTED TO THE SINHALA CIVILISATION. THE BIRTH OF THE CIVILISATION IS TO SINHALDVEEP. YES, MY DEAR PEOPLE STUDYING HISTORY IN INDIA STILL REFER TO SRI LANKA AS SINHALADVEEP.

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    Can you state the source for this piece of history.

    Quote the history for this or this will be treated as yet another blabbering.

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    Instead of spinning tales or quoting your grandma’s fairy tale called the Mahavamsa if you say you will abide by the scientific investigations it could be entertained.

    On the other hand if you go on insisting on your version of history which is all distorted and which cannot be taken as a scientific proof, then to what conclusion can we come.

    You say that I was upset with you and got angry/emotional.

    I too believe and there is also proof to this that you Sinhlalese will understand only the Danda neeti.

    With your cooked up stories you make claims and also kill Tamils. This is disgusting.

  187. Ravi Perera,

    By the way you didn’t say any word about the article of DBSJ about the Trincomalee and its demography since the 1881.

    You yourself had said in one of your postings that Sinhalese were majority in the combined Polanaruwa province but after the division of the polanaruva province they became minority in Trincco and other places.

    This Gal oya or the weli oya project was to increase the sinhalese population in those places.

    By this statement you are telling very well that you were not in full majority in all of the then polanaruva province. and you increased your numbers by colonization.

    When you were not in majority in trinco how can you claim that as your piece of territory.

  188. Dear Mahesh,

    You go on and on and on about the sinhala colonisation. If you read my previous blog i have stated enough to answer your querries, not jsu Gal oya. Colonisation is a word used to plant ones sons & daughetrs in some one elses land. Resettling sinhala people in Gal oya/ Trinco is no diffferent to the black man getting his due place in s South Africa.
    Tell me one country in the world that is ACCUSING THE SRI LANKAN GOVERNMENT OF COLONISING. None my dear, beacuse the term COLONISATION has been used wrongly by you.

    Pls read my many of the prev Blogs I have well and truly answered DBSJ s querry, not just polonnaruwa. Also refer to Shankars blogs re ownership of Eastern Province. This is not Grandma stories but mere facts.

    About Vijaya, I do not know if it is mythical or factual, but the fact is the sinhala people are closer to the Helas thanthe Orssa/Bengal clan. The Sinhala language is still refered to as the hela basa.

  189. Whether any country in the world is accusing sri lanka of colonization or not, Tamils do accuse.

    See the link given below.

    http://www.tchr.net/colonisation_detail.htm

    Mahasena had destroyed a hindu temple there and built a budhist temple, so says Mahavamsa. It shows that hinduism was there even before budhism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trincomalee

    Why don’t you undertake excavations in those places and come to a conclusion.

    The first link gives you the demographic details from the 19th century.

    I request you give evidences to your claims it will help me to cross check you.

    If this problem has to be solved scientific tools could help you solve this problem amicably.

    Again Tamils have been in trading since time immemorial. They went to new places and with their tireless work had discovered new places also, like Reunion islands / Theemai theevu.

    It is unlikely that they would have missed a good sea port like Tirukonamalai.

    I have this much of confidence in their genius.

  190. Dear Mahesh,

    Tamil guys like you can accuse the Sri Lankan state of colonisation,but in the eyes of the international community it carries now eight. The international opinion is valuable. See the whole world is now asking for a proper investiagation for a war crimes. The fact is War crimes did happen, the Tamils know it and that is why you are ferociously pursuing the matter. Sri Lankan government also knows it and that is why we are trying to cover up.

    If the Eastern Province was historically tamil why do you think THE INTERNATIONAL community is not putting pressure on the Sri lankan government. The fact is at no point in history has East been under a Tamil rule. When the British took over it was under the Kandyan Kingdom. Refer to SHANKARS Unswer as well.

    Thanks for the link of this K. Sachithanandan. This man in his articlle starts by calling dsutugemunu a Thug.I know about this lunatic, he is just like this devanda man. Guys like this have presented these papers to the IC, but have been rejected and no body gives any attention to his stories.

    Let us look at the figures from 1946 onwards, beacuse any increase UPTO 1946 IS atural migration. The so called colonisation happened after 1948.
    This man tlks about the borders of provinces changed by the Sri lankan governemnet. Who created these borders, the BRITISH,They were not historical boundaries, they all were part of the KNADYAN KINDOM MY friend. Why does not he gives the population figures of the Eastern province when Polonnaruwa was part of Eastern Province. When Polonnaruwa was part of eastern Province the sinahal were an outright majority. Then they recreated the provincial boundaries in such a manner that relatively thickly populated coastal areas (about a stretch of 10 miles from the coast ) was annexed with large tracks of inland and sparsely populated sinhala, villages to create this ILLUSION. IN 1946 sinhala speaking was 5.23% according to sachithjanndans table and tamil speaking (Tamils +muslims) were 94%.

    Now let us look at Ampara district though the Tamils and muslims were a majority in 1948, the sinhala people , though small in numbers were spread out in a large areas (In about 78% of present day Ampara). These areas are called Wev gampattu & Bintenna Pattu. These areas had 9*0% sinhala even in 1948. It is in these areas that more sinhalaese were settled under Gal oya. Why does not he talk about this. Why is he using thje province or the district as unit. This is what I call an ILLUSION, my firend. The Sri lankan governemnt along with the Sinhala community leaders have presented these facts to the internation community, that is why you guys have not been able to sell the homeland concept succesfully.

    Under Trinco Sachithanandan says we faricated a story saying that seruvila was an ancient site. That may be for sachithanandan not for us sinhalese, for your information remember that SERUVILLA is one of the sites to be considered under UNESCO heritage sites in Sri lanka. Sigiriya is one such place. Apart from Seruvilla Thiriyaya is the oldest buddhist site in the country which also happenes to be in Trincomalee.
    He is taliking about allai kanthalai,for your infor remewber they were thick jungles with no people when the settlement was started. In Trinco the Tamil use to live inthe town and just north of the town and vast majority of the district was jungle or sparsely populated csinhala villages.
    Sachithananda is basing all his arguments on the provincial and distric boundaries to argue his cases conveniewntly forgetting that tamil majority came due to its presence in the coast which was realtively thickly populated than the internal and vast tracks of land.

    You say that the tamils do accuse the sri lankan governemnt of olonisation though no country accuses us. Well Mahesh we do not care about your accusation, because all we have done was to get back what is ours which we lost during colonial period, this is just like the black man getting his due place in south africa. We are worried only about internation opinion, as is the case with WAR CRIMES.

    Also in Sachithanandans arguments he talks of tamil speaking and not Tamil. Remeber the Muslims in the east have a seperate leadership and if at all they are withthe Sri lankan government not with Tamils my dear friend.

    All those demographic figures are based on district level, what they donot show is the actual popuilation distribution within the district. COME OUT OF THE ILLUSION.

    As I said you can go on excavating and will only find more and more things in fav of the sinhalese/Helas.

    As said earlier WE WORRY ONLYABOUT INTERNATION OPINION, SINCE IT IS ONLY THE INTERNATION OPINION THAT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON US SINHALESE.

    Hope I explained well. If you do not understand what I have written here pls letr me know I will put you on to CHAMPIKA RANAWAKA, he will explain better.

    Good luck

  191. Ravi Perera says:
    February 19, 2012 at 5:22 am

    [Wether it is Dravidian or Indo aryan or what ever the birth of the language and the civilisation of sinhala is to this country not Orissa.]

    I have already explained to you how the sinhala civilisation was born in kalinga and brought here to lanka by vijaya and his followers.It did not start here as a homegrown version.No difference between anglosaxons leaving england and going to canada or america and starting their anglo saxon culture and civilisation there or tamils leaving tamilnadu and coming to lanka and starting the tamil culture and civilisation here.You made a very pertinent point when you said how come then there is no sinhalese cuture in orissa at the moment,and i explained to you that ashoka wiped it off the map.he killed hundreds of thousands in kalinga,and i don’t mean soldiers,and took away further hundreds of thousands as slaves back with him,after razing all of kalinga down. A very brutal man indeed,but suddenly became a pious character when a kalinga woman came to him with the body of her dead child.Ashoka asked her to name her price and he will give it.She insisted he give life to her child.He went mad and said how can i do that.She was insisting that since he is considered as a god by the people,he can definitely bring back her child to life.Ashoka had a deep think after that and changed completely,but it was too late for your beloved kalinga.It was wiped off the map.

    If the sinhalese language is a indo aryan language,it is a part of the prakrit,a middle ages group of indo aryan languages. These did not originate in southern india or srilanka.They were brought to srilanka.

    Where you are getting confused is,something starting in srilanka is different from something being born in srilanka.The sinhalese civilisation and sinhala language started in srilanka,but was born in india and brought to srilanka by vijaya and his followers. do you think they came and spoke the local naga and raksha dialects?As time evolved it would have deleted some of the original facets and obtained new ones.No difference between the tamil languages and the tamil civilisation in srilanka.If you go and live in tamilnadu and northern srilanka you will feel the difference.Just a example,when the tamilnadu people listen to our tamil,they are puzzled.Take marriage customs,another example.In fact tamils in srilanka and sinhalese have 55 percent common DNA though one came 2500 years ago from one end of india,and the other came 2300 years ago from another part of india,admixture of genes has occured between the two,due to so many years of living together,though keeping their culture and languages and religion seperate.One thing you can’t stop is intermingling.Even the kings would have had to helplessly look the other way.

  192. Ravi Perera

    You are talking about many matters, But you are not giving any links to any of your words. One time you are saying that the map drawn by the British are not sacrosanct and at the next instant you say that the maps drawn by you are correct.

    What is wrong in Province wise figures. If it is wrong why not you provide with a district wise figures.

    You have to back up your words with facts and figures.

    You were angry when Satchitanandan said Dutu was a thug. Dutu was Dushta gemuni isn’t it?

    Okay leave it.

    All over the world the population is centred around the sea shore. That is natural. Why do you have any problem with that.

    When I point to you that Satchitanandam report you say the Tamils were mostly living in the coastal region and the sinhalese were living inland. I cannot understand your logic.

    Either give facts and figures for me to check them with or link me with whoever you want to.

    There were number of Tamil Budhists in the by gone era. Fortunately or Unfortunately in the later period the Budhism perished in India and also it suffered a decline in the island.

    During this period the Budhists and the Tamils got segregated. Nearly all the Tamils remained Hindus or became Christians.

    The Tamil speaking Budhists may have ventured alongwith the Sinhalese and they got assimilated into them.

    There are examples for this. For example Mahasena’s guru was a Tamil. Budha gosha though a Tamil is depicted as belonging to the Magadhan descent by your chronicles.

    Like this you can go on and on giving examples.

    So it could be argued that the Budhist sites that you see in the North and the East could also have been those of the Tamil Budhsim which vanished in the past.

    Therefore I feel archaelogical excavation and research could be a clincher in this issue.

  193. Shankar

    How you say that one came 2500 years (may be you are referring Sinhalese) another came 2300 years ago (may be Tamils).

    How do you say that?

    When the mythical Vijaya came to the island, he saw people there and he mixed up with them.

    Some claim the tribes naga, rakshasa and others were assimilated into the sinhala society.

    There are naga tamils also as pointed out by Devananda.

    What language they were speaking here before the arrival of the Vijaya. That has to be investigated.

    I wish this whole matter be pursued scientifically.

  194. Ravi Perera says:
    February 19, 2012 at 10:33 pm
    [Dear Mahesh,

    Tamil guys like you ]

    Mahesh is not a tamil.He is marathi/kannadiga from mumbai and currently living in tamilnadu.His views will probably tally with with 1200 million indians will have of the srilankan situation.
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    Ravi Perera says:
    February 19, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    [About Vijaya, I do not know if it is mythical or factual, but the fact is the sinhala people are closer to the Helas thanthe Orssa/Bengal clan. The Sinhala language is still refered to as the hela basa.]

    Then why do the sinhalese refer to themselves as aryans and not dravidians?Why have they adopted an indo aryan language and not a dravidian one.If your contention is right the government has to only proclaim that the sinhalese are a dravidian people and will hereafter start adopting a dravidian language such as tamil,malayalam,telugu or kannadiga.Not only have you adopted a aryan language,you have even tried arrogantly since independence to suppress a dravidian language and dravidian people while living in dravidian lands and shouting from the rooftop that you are aryan indians who came from aryan lands.Now that the heat is on due to your arrogance to spit on the face of dravidians while living surrounded by them,you are conveniently trying to make out that you are closer to the original natives of srilanka than to your orissan ancestors.We know how vijaya treated kuveni and her people.After becoming king and taking control he chased them all out to the jungles and got down pandya women for himself and his henchmen.Being from a royal family and great civilisation he felt it was beneath his dignity to have anything to do with these primitive forest people.Continued settlements also started to pour in from kalinga.Even now the veddhas who are the descendents of the original inhabitants are treated like shit by you.Recently a bhuddhist monk was flogging a veddha publicly with a whip alleging he stole something.If in the 21st century it is like that just imagine what it would have been in 5th century BC.

    If you feel that you are closer to the original inhabitants than your aryan ancestors, then you have to only officially proclaim that you are dravidians.You can start the ball rolling with yourself and others will follow suit,i’am sure and proudly call themselves dravidians at last.

    As for your saying that you are not sure whether vijaya was mythical or factual,why don’t you make up your mind once and for all.If you say he was mythical,your fellow sinhalese will brand you a traitor.If you say he is factual,then you can’t say to the tamils.go back to your homeland tamilnadu if you don’t like it here,because they will tell you to go back to oriisa.So decide one way or another whether it mythical or factual for all of us to see without hemming and hawing here.If you say he is mythical,then the mahawamsa is also mythical,dutugemunu is also mythical and what you told about starting the sinhala civilisation and language is also mythical no?Because all this is got from the mahawamsa.

    As for your contention that sinhala is still referred to as helabasa,of course sinhalese will refer to it as such because it started in srilanka,though the alphabets and script was the kalingha script.I doupht whether the veddhas you are flogging even now will call it that,and must be having their own dialect even now,though you may have sucessfully rammed your indo aryan language down their throat,like what you tried to do unsucessfully with the tamils.

  195. Dear Mahesh,

    I am lost for words as to how else to explain. When you are blinded by certain myths and ideas in your head you over look certain facts and figures.I have explained very very well the facts and figures about the so call colonisation and have answered this Sachis accusations very well. I do not know how else to explain.

    The fact is your accusation of the sinhala people on colonisation is not taken seriously by any one in the international community due to what I have explained above

    Archaelogical excavation and research will only unearth thinhgs in search of the Helas/Sinhalas my dear friend

  196. Hello Shankar,

    So are you saying that Sinhala was spoken by Kalingas and brough there by Vijaya and the Kalingas.
    What has happened to the language spoken by the Helas. Kalingas certainly were Aryans, but the helas were Dravidians. You yourself too mentioned that the sinhalaese and the tamils share 55% a common DNA as well.
    If the Sinhalese are a mix of the migrant Kalingas and the original Helas how can you say that the Sinhala civilisation was born in Inda. Whereas you Tamils in Jaffna and the Tamils in TN are the same tamil people speak the same language. Yes, i know you said there are cultural differences, this is like the Englis Canadians, Australians who are the same English people.

    Yes, we Sinhalese do like to regard ourselves as Aryans but the fact is we are a mix of the Aryans(Kalingas) and Dravidians(Helas).

    You are saying we have adopted an indo Aryan language and not a Dravidian one. Unless kalingas spoke Sinhala in India, how can you say with cerainlty that we are speaking their language. I think Sinhala is closer to the languages spoken by the Helas inspite of the classification of the Sinhala being Indo Aryan. You also say the Sinhala script is that of the Kalingas
    You say
    “.If your contention is right the government has to only proclaim that the sinhalese are a dravidian people and will hereafter start adopting a dravidian language such as tamil,malayalam,telugu or kannadiga”

    Why should we adopt some other Dravidian language, when we have our own Sinhala. You can call it Aryan , Dravidia or Russian whatever the fact is the language Sinhala belongs to this country unless you can prove to me that it was spoken by Kalingas and we speak the Kalingas language and just call it Sinhala.
    Sinhalese do take pride in saying that the beginning of the Sinhala race (Which really is an evolution from Hela) is from Vijya. I think one reason we like to brash about our Aryan connection is just to differentiate ourselves from The Tamils, and also to say we are superior. Unfortuanately the Sinhala mindset is such that we as a group of people do feel superior to the Tamils.
    I agree about Veddas they should be given a federal or an independent state, they certainly deserve it , end of the day they have more ownership of Sri lanka than the Helas or the Sinhalas.

  197. Dear Ravi;

    Ravi says “… Later on they were chased away and Sinhala people were settled…
    … The permenanat tamil settlements in the country started around the 10th Century…
    … As for Katharagama it is devale for the Sinhala people too. Sinhala people too worship Hindu Gods, a sinhalised form of hindu temples are called Devales….”

    Again, Ilankai’s Tamils ancestors were the adi-dravidar/vedda. Like Vijaya and North Indians, South Indians also invaded the Island. Vijaya-North Indian crew shaped up the Sinhala civilization in the south of the Island while South Indian shaped up the Illankai Tamil civilization in the North of the Island. Since South Indian and North-Island didn’t have much language clash as North Indians and South-Island, south went through a natural process of forming new language to connect both old & new in the south, while North didn’t have to go through big changes… Unless you have logical or archeological evedent to prove, I am not going to be convinced with your fictional Mahavamsa stories. Mahavamsa & Ramayanam, both to me are fictional stories written with different purposes, cannot be accepted as history books.

    You are a typical Sinhalese with mahavamsa mindset. For you if there is a Buddhist place found in NE area, it was a Sinhala area (Nainathevu or Kantharodai etc…). If there is Murugan Kovil in South it is still Sinhala area because it is Sinhala Devales… People in Cilapam and Puthalam were Sinhalese they are not sinhalanized… For you there were no Tamils Kings or Cheftians in East because it was part of big Kandiyan Kingdoms but places in North is still Sinhala villages and not part of Jaffna Kingdom. You are on mahavamsa mindset, nothing going to get through it to reach your head, unless you yourself decided to come out of it. Good luck on that!

    Ravi says “… Pls don’t wait till Mahinda gives you a package, pls get it recognized by the IC….

    I don’t think Tamils are waiting for Mahinda or Ranil to give a package. They still believe their Sinhala brothers & Sisters will come out of their mahavmsa mindset and will accept and work out a solution. We are almost there; soon there will be a change in SL constitution that will protect all people in the Island.

    … My protugees blood is about 2% of me. I have 98% (Hela+Vijaya) blood. This is what I meant by weighted average belonging….”

    Did you go through DNA race test? How do you know you are 2% portugees (because your last name is Perera?) and 98% Hele+Vijaya… Buddy if you and I do a DNA race test, we both will match 100%. Whether we are Tamil or Shinhalalese we all have some impact form Portugees/Dutch/British/Vijaya/Chola/Kalinga/Mayura invaders or Pandyan/Pallavan/Cheran/Catholic/Arab/Malay missionaries or friendly partners. Over so many years, we both have equal mix of the above all invaders/missionaries/partners. Some of our brothers/sisters (vedda/adi-dravidars) who lived in the thickest forests during these peoples influences got away and remained virgin as much as possible, and now they are changing too…

    Ravi says”…..Remebver the whole world backed Mandela or even Yaser Arfat had plenty of Support. No body is telling the Sri lankan govet to even give federalism even only to North let alone being North East…..”

    The whole world ready to back up Tamils but they won’t do anything against India now. Unfortunately Rajiv’s blow made it worst. Even if you say China, India is your biggest friend on this. There is no way India will allow anyone else to interfere weather it is UN or European or US. Tamils’ Lord and Demon both are India! They will provide arms and advocate violent to gain the lost rights as a satan, then they will be an angel and advocate non-violent!

  198. Well Come back Surya, very well come back,

    You can say Illankai thamil ancestors were Dravidai/Veddas. So you don’t belive that the Tamils migrated from Tamil Nadu and settled down here, but were born out of veddas orthe Heals (I assume what you mean by Dravidain)

    Well my dear friend I might have Mahavansa mindset but certainly not SHANKAR.The facts are facts.
    You can say Puttalam, Chilaw & the East is tamil and you have a right to rule(Either provincial, Federal or Seperat).
    It is being contested by the sinahla people, too. Now ins acontest like this how do you determine who rules. Even now I don’t think the tamil parties are asking for Puttala orchilaw, but are still insiting on the NorthEast merger.
    As Shanka says if you apply though UN for East the UN will reject it because it was part of the Kandyan Kingdom.Also as Shnkar says the Eelamists have been donkeys. Even if yoy want to merge the North and the East, the sinhalese and the Muslims will oppose, besides the fact that a substantial segment of Batticalo Tamils also will oppose.Once agin the sinhala people can give the historical facts of the east and also the tamil numbers inthe east do not justify this merger.
    Thats all that matters my friend.

    As far as a political soultion is concerned I only hope the TNA will keep puttingforward tough demands like self detremination,North East merger etc. This nis ideal tonic for most sinhalese. If they comeout of the Donket mindset like NE tarditional Homeland etc ask for substantail power devolution for the North, i think the Sri lankan governemnt will be
    under tremendous pressure.

    The whole world might back the gtamils if they demand for a seperate state only for North. But also they are likelty to keep certain things in mind like most tamils live outside North and colombo nis home to a substantial tamil poulation ,besides the fact India will not like it because the Tamil homeland in Tamil Nadu might want to do the same.

    Now guys like you should think of a stategy to get the East, if not for est the whoe idea of a seperate state is useless, you know it we know it.

    Just accept man, your homeland is Tamil Nadu and ours is Sinhaladveepa or Sri lanka

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    The homeland of the “Ilankai Thamizhar” or Ceylon/Sri Lanka Tamils is Ilankai/Sri Lanka. The Northern and eastern Provinces are their areas of historic habitation.No amount of chauvinist utterings by Sinhala hawks to the contrary can alter this reality.Please do not waste time,space or energy in persisting with this here

  199. Ravi Perera

    The fact is your accusation of the sinhala people on colonisation is not taken seriously by any one in the international community due to what I have explained above

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    If and when the UNHRC takes up the case of war crimes this issue of colonization may also be taken up. We will wait till then.

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    Archaelogical excavation and research will only unearth thinhgs in search of the Helas/Sinhalas my dear friend

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    Let it unearth things which is against Tamils. Still that course is preferred. This has to be settled based on scientific principles, only.

    We cannot accept the Mahavamsa story spinners.

    What is your take on tamil Budhism. Can you explain that here. Were there not any Tamil Budhist in the past. Give your views on that, if you can.

  200. Ravi Perera says:
    February 21, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    Well Come back Surya, very well come back,

    You can say Illankai thamil ancestors were Dravidai/Veddas. So you don’t belive that the Tamils migrated from Tamil Nadu and settled down here, but were born out of veddas orthe Heals (I assume what you mean by Dravidain)

    Well my dear friend I might have Mahavansa mindset but certainly not SHANKAR.
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    I’ am afraid surya is right.I mentioned in an earlier comment that lanka was not a terra nullis island when vijaya and elara arrived.It was a inhabited one where the nagas lived on the coast and the yakshas inland.The nagas were predominantly in the northern coast and would have got converted to saivism and become tamils.The evidence is in the preponderance of the snake in hindu idols of worship.

    I think DBSJ gave some good advice when he said not to keep talking about the same thing over and over again.Einstein said the definition of insanity is to ask the same question over and over again expecting a different answer.There is no need to convince each other.You can put out your views and surya hers and me mine and mahesh his and we should move on to fresh topics.

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