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An In-depth Interview with former Supreme Court Judge CV Wigneswaran

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By Ayesha Zuhair

Hello Friends

Retired Supreme court Judge CV Wigneswaran is a person for whom I have a lot of respect. Justice Wigneswaran who made a distinctive mark while on the bench now engages himself in various aspects of public life. He has not hesitated to fearlessly speak out on many issues.

He was interviewed in depth recently for “Daily Mirror” the Colombo English daily by Ayesha Zuhair. Wigneswaran expressed his views frankly and forthrightly on a number of crucial issues.

I particularly liked his comments on contempt of court like “Contempt of Court proceedings have been designed to protect litigants and accused – not to pamper the judges!” and on alleged Kangaroo court proceedings like “ it must be remembered that politically motivated prosecutions and judicial ball-playing so to say, would no doubt draw the people’s wrath”.

Justice Wigneswaran also stated many “bitter truths” about the unresolved Tamil national question and the prevailing situation today. The following quote sums up the mood and opinion of many Tamils –

“I do not see any possible solution to the ethnic conflict immediately, unless extraneous pressure, inland or foreign, compels the powers that be to relent. This applies to both the government as well as the opposition. Majority community parties are not interested in any solution and want to maintain the supremacy of the majority community through their language and religion”

I personally felt the interview was like a gust of fresh air blowing breezily through musty corridors and rooms of an old building and wish to share it with readers

I am therefore reproducing the “Daily Mirror” interview with Justice CV Wigneswaran by Ayesha Zuhair on my blog.

Here it is friends -DBS Jeyaraj

An In-depth Interview with former Supreme Court Judge CV Wigneswaran

By Ayesha Zuhair

Q: Could you begin by telling us what you have been doing since your retirement?

I am glad you are asking me that question Ayesha! In connection with my nomination to the Constitutional Council under the 17th Amendment, the earlier Prime Minister without recourse to me had said in Parliament that I had become a Hindu Priest! On the contrary I had been quite busy secularly. Busier than when I was on the Bench. I have been participating and continue to participate at conferences, seminars and meetings both local and foreign, and writing articles and essays in respect of subjects ranging from Legal, Religious, Cultural, Literary, Historical, Societal to Fine Arts.

Q: There is a widely held perception that the judiciary of this country is politicised and that personal biases often hinder the judicial process. Do you agree with the view that the judiciary has lost its independence, and if so, how can the situation be rectified?

There is no doubt that the judiciary of our country has changed, and not for the better. It is not appropriate for me to discuss specific matters dealing with specific judges or judgments. However the serious issues happen to be systemic. The loss of our judiciary’s independence can be traced to the 1972 Constitution and thereafter to the 1978 Constitution. Let me explain some of the most salient structural deficiencies in our system.

1. Virtually unfettered powers of the executive to appoint persons of its choice to the higher judiciary. Though the 17th Amendment made headway in establishing some kind of independence with regard to the appointments to the higher judiciary, the 18th Amendment took us back even further.

2. The emergence of an ultra-strong executive under the 1978 Constitution devalued the position and status of the judiciary. The important thing to remember is that the independence of the judiciary is intimately connected to the balance of power between the different arms of the government-the executive, legislature and judiciary. It is only natural that when you have a very strong executive branch the judiciary would necessarily be undermined. You may recall that when the executive and parliament did not belong to the same party, the judiciary was in a position to flex its muscles more freely.

3. The abolition in 1972 of the power of post enactment judicial review carried over to the 1978 Constitution further emasculated the judiciary.

4. The practice of bestowing special dispensations to members of the higher judiciary and their family members during and after their tenure in office makes the judiciary particularly vulnerable.

5. Another problem is the practice of filling the higher judiciary with executive minded judges. The practice of filling up the higher judiciary with greater numbers of officers from the Attorney General’s Department who were comparatively young and lacked judicial experience, but had been in their erstwhile professional work close to the executive, ensured “executive mindedness” on the Bench. The State Officers by their very conditionings are state-oriented, and often have a close relationship with the executive. Not so with others who would generally be people-oriented. The state can look after itself. We must have judges who would look after the interests of the People against the state, without of course purposely jeopardizing the state’s interests.

The first four require constitutional changes. For the fifth, I would suggest that there must be minimum recruitment from the Attorney General’s Department to the higher judiciary. A functioning Attorney General should never be considered for appointment as Chief Justice.

Of course recruitment of Officers from the Attorney General’s Department to the original judiciary is to be welcomed. They make good judges in the long run since their state-oriented perceptions get withered away. But I must add here that the executive will never, never come forward to make such changes! They would continue with the present system be they from the governing party or opposition! And the judiciary will no doubt become the hand-maid of the executive if they have not already become so.

Q: A profound lack of respect for the judiciary was manifested in the manner in which people – including lawyers – hurled abuse at two of the three judges who sat on the Trial-at-Bar in the White Flag case on November 18. How do you view this incident?

I am unaware of the nature of manifestation. It could have been politically motivated. But still the incident as you describe it does not augur well for the country let alone the judiciary. But on the other hand if such demonstrations were spontaneous it must be remembered that politically motivated prosecutions and judicial ball-playing so to say, would no doubt draw the people’s wrath.

Q: Contempt of Court is often cited as an impediment to discussing judicial verdicts. Do you think that a change is required to enable people to constructively question judgements and to advance freedom of expression in Sri Lanka?

Generally, the following matters fall under Contempt of Court:

(1) failure to comply with an order of court;
(2) an act of resistance or insult to the court or its judges; and
(3) conduct likely to prejudice the fair trial of an accused person.

There is nothing wrong in a person criticising a judgment after it had been delivered on the basis of its legal merits or lack thereof. So long as the discussion pertaining to judgments do not border on any of the matters hereinbefore enumerated there appears no need for any change in the law dealing with Contempt of Court. But it must be remembered that judgments should not be hidden in cloistered corners.

There must be transparency and therefore discussion of judgments, so that mistakes or wrong perceptions of judges would not be carried over to the next case by them. Contempt of Court proceedings have been designed to protect litigants and accused – not to pamper the judges!

Q: How do you view the decision by the government to appoint a Parliamentary Select Committee (PSC) to probe the conduct of former Chief Justice, Sarath N. Silva? Is it a violation of the Constitution to probe into the conduct of a retired judge?

There was considerable opposition to Sarath being appointed as Chief Justice before he was appointed. I remember Param Coomaraswamy and Desmond Fernando, both respected lawyers who headed the International Bar Association at different times, voicing their disapproval at a public meeting to his appointment. Nevertheless he was appointed, thanks to the then executive. After appointment, if his conduct was found questionable in law on the ground of proved misbehaviour or incapacity, there was provision in the constitution to impeach him.

I cannot support the appointment of a PSC to probe his conduct while he was on the Bench. The executive and the legislature do not have that power except in terms of the law. Such actions on the part of the executive and the legislature could be considered as witch- hunting and further erodes judicial independence.

However, it may be appropriate to look at the House of Lords’ decision in the Pinochet case. It was held in that case that the appearance of bias on the part of one judge out of five judges who heard the case, was adequate to warrant a re-hearing. The inherent power of review vested in our Supreme Court could be said to empower it to revisit issues where an appearance of bias has been demonstrated. It should be stressed that this is not to apply to situations where parties argue that the decision was wrong on the merits.

Thus any person purportedly aggrieved due to the existence or even appearance of bias may invoke the Supreme Court’s power in revision. The above decision might be said to apply to allegations in relation to the exercise of judicial power by Sarath as a judge. However, in relation to the dismissal by the Judicial Service Commission of judges of the Original judiciary, the Judicial Service Commission, could reconsider matters or an opportunity might be given to them to have their cases re-heard fully by evolving the appropriate legal machinery.

Q: There is political pressure being exerted by the United National Party to secure former Army Commander Sarath Fonseka’s release. In your opinion, does this amount to interference in the judicial process?

As I said earlier politically motivated prosecutions would draw political repercussions. If we could still boast of freedom of expression in this country I see no reason why anyone cannot exert political pressure in cases of this nature, provided such political pressure is legal, within the democratic sphere and does not violate the laws of contempt, which I referred to earlier.

Q: The UN Committee against Torture (CaT) in its concluding observations on Sri Lanka released on 25 November expressed concern about the “continued and consistent allegations of the widespread use of torture” and the existence of secret detention centres in Sri Lanka. Is this something that worries you?

This has been worrying me from the time I was introduced to the several torture methods used by the military and the police when I heard PTA cases in the High Court of Colombo twenty years ago. At the end of every case where torture was used, the Registrar of the Court, was directed to bring these matters to the notice of various authorities like the Ministry of Justice, Prisons and the IGP.

If steps were taken then to curtail or arrest such hideous indiscretions, the UN CaT may not have had occasion to express concern about continuation of torture in this country. Non action on the part of the authorities has created a culture of impunity. It is significant to note that all that the Emergency Regulations shed by virtue of its removal have all been now brought back and added into the PTA. With the war over why should the state arm itself with these extraordinary provisions against which considerable public agitation took place earlier leading to the abrogation of the Emergency Regulations? Is it to continue violence against individuals?

Those who read the Tamil press would find the CaT’s observations corroborated. In fact one of the constant agitations among the Tamils today is to probe into and find out the whereabouts of a large number of detainees. Why should anyone be kept incommunicado and in secret after May 2009 unless something terrible is being done to them, is the question they ask. They are perturbed that their politicians have not been able to adequately help them nor even the Courts.

Q: How do you assess the impact of the 18th Amendment to the Constitution in terms of democracy and good governance? Do you agree with the view that the 17th Amendment was ‘deeply flawed’?

The structural flaw in the 17th Amendment was that it insisted on a complex appointment mechanism that did not contemplate non-co-operation. The Supreme Court could have ironed out this problem, but it failed to issue clear legal directions to resolve the political impasse that had been created.

This gave a chance for the President to make appointments without the recommendations from the Constitutional Council. Any way the 18th Amendment has now replaced the Constitutional Council with “a weaker mechanism known as the Parliamentary Council” to quote recent CPA publication by Ms. Aruni Jayakody.

It is weak because the President now has to only seek the observations of the Parliamentary Council not their recommendations.

The Parliamentary Council now has very little power to influence the appointment process, and for all practical purposes gives a perfunctory nod to the President. The removal of term limits also strengthens the Executive and as I said earlier is detrimental to the judiciary. The independence of the judiciary was therefore eroded by the 18th Amendment and that does not augur well for democracy and good governance.

One may argue that the 18th Amendment has strengthened the office of the President so that the public service could be streamlined and made efficient. But it is precisely because such a system was found to be flawed that independence was sought by the 17th Amendment. Thus democracy and good governance are most certainly going to be affected if it had not already been affected.

Q: There is tremendous pressure on the government to address violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, alleged to have occurred during the latter stages of the war in 2009. The government maintains that these allegations are being propagated by pro-LTTE Diaspora groups who have even managed to mislead some Western governments. Do you think the calls for an international war crimes probe are justifiable?

During his recent visit to Sri Lanka, Mr. Yasushi Akashi said that the issue of accountability for any human rights’ violations in the war needs to be addressed. He urged a national mechanism to deal with this issue. Suppose we accept his advice as valid does that mean Akashi belongs to a pro-LTTE Diaspora group? Does it mean we are giving in to international pressure? But this precisely seems to be the attitude of certain sections. It must be remembered that dealing with the issues of the past is vitally important for internal reconciliation.

Furthermore, soon after May 2009, if I remember right, there was a joint statement issued by the UN Secretary General and the President of this country that there would be accountability. What has happened to that statement?

My answer to your question is if we are interested in reconciliation, if we are interested in a political solution, if we are interested in taking off economically on the road to prosperity and success joining up with the minorities in this country, then accountability is sine qua non for such an eventuality to take place. If the government had been indulging in humanitarian rescue operations in the Wanni at that time why should the government consider such calls for probe as pressure exerted by anyone?

They should gladly consent to any international probe so that any misunderstandings or misgivings with regard to the genuineness of our government would be cleared.

Q: The Supreme Court’s opinion on the Expropriation Bill is being viewed as a disappointment in many quarters. It has been argued that a law which singles out certain enterprises and ignores others of a similar nature (like Mihin Lanka for example) is a prima facie violation of Article 12 (1) of the Constitution which states that equals must be treated alike. Furthermore, it appears to have had a negative impact on investor confidence in Sri Lanka. What are your comments?

I have had no opportunity to read the Supreme Court’s opinion on the Expropriation Bill. But it is this type of legislation, which underlines the need for checks and balances with regard to the powers of the President, particularly when there is no strict separation of powers between the executive and legislature. Article 12 (1) says as follows-“All persons are equal before the law and are entitled to the equal protection of the law”.

If certain enterprises have been singled out ignoring others of a similar nature, the constitution expects that there be a clear basis why some were chosen for expropriation by state while others were left out. I do not know whether the Supreme Court was enlightened in this respect. If proper grounds were not provided it would appear to be political witch-hunting. Then it would contravene the provisions of Article 12(2) which says “No citizen shall be discriminated against on the ground(s) of political opinion.” When erstwhile state enterprises are running at tremendous loss the urgency for a Bill of this nature is no doubt suspect.

Q: As a respected member of the Tamil community, what are your views on the efforts at political reconciliation and development?

I do not see any possible solution to the ethnic conflict immediately, unless extraneous pressure, inland or foreign, compels the powers that be to relent. This applies to both the government as well as the opposition. Majority community parties are not interested in any solution and want to maintain the supremacy of the majority community through their language and religion.

Except for a handful of persons like Dr. Wickramabahu Karunaratne, Mr.Weliamuna and a few others the majority of Sinhala masses do not want a solution.

Let me explain why I make such a sweeping statement.

Around 1919, the Sinhalese leaders found that unless they made their request for territorial representation unanimously the British were not going to grant their request. So they approached Sir P. Arunachalam, gave him written undertaking that a seat would be reserved for the Tamils in Colombo, and requested him to talk to the Jaffna Association, which preferred communal representation to territorial representation. In the cause of creating a well- knit united Ceylonese polity he was able to get the Jaffna Association to consent to territorial representation. He had implicit trust in the Sinhalese leaders. The request to the Queen was thereafter unanimous and the 1921 Constitution granted their request for territorial representation. Once the supremacy of the majority community was ensured in the Legislature the Sinhalese leaders Sir James Peiris and E.J.Samarawickreme retracted. A seat for Tamils in Colombo was refused. The reason they gave was significant. Apart from saying that they were not bound by their written promise since they no longer held the offices they earlier held when promising, they also said “You Tamils are yourselves the majority in your two provinces. Why should you have seats in Colombo?”

This meant they recognised the individuality of the Ceylonese Tamil Community who had occupied the two provinces, North and East, from pre-historic times. It was such recognition that made S.W.R.D. Bandaranaike passing out from the Oxford University to recommend a federal constitution for Ceylon. The Tamils did not accept this idea favourably since they were scattered throughout the island while being rooted in the North and East and were doing well.

Thereafter the majority community made use of the whip-hand they had got by virtue of the legal instrument of territorial representation, to discriminate against the minorities especially the Tamils. Under the Donoughmore Constitution the numerical strength of the majority community led to the formation of the Pan Sinhala Cabinet. After the Pan Sinhala Government of the 1930s we see them depriving the franchise of the Up Country Tamils in the 1940s. Then in the 1950s the Sinhala Only Act deprived many Tamils of their government jobs. Early 1970s saw standardisation in education, which deprived many Tamils of their higher education.

Throughout this period the state was colonising areas traditionally Tamil speaking with outsiders without giving first preference to the people of those areas. The demography of the two provinces traditionally Tamil speaking was being calculatedly changed. The 1972 and 1978 Constitutions centralised power in the hands of the majority community. Now there is de facto Army rule in the North and East.

Should there be not civilian over-sight in these areas? Does not democracy mean civilian management of local areas? How long is the military going to stay in the North and East? For ever?

For all this, the Soulbury Constitution of 1947 was secular. It did not indicate a unitary structure. It had an inclusive approach. It recognised the multi-ethnic nature of our society and inserted the all important provision of Section 29. Our 1972 Constitution, which had no mandate to change the 1947 Constitution and no participation from the elected representatives of the Tamils of North and East, got rid of Section 29, giving no akin provision instead, made Buddhism State Religion and approved of the Sinhala Only Act earlier passed thus ushering in officially the supremacy of the majority community.

Having got so far do you mean to say any Government of the majority community would consent to settle the issues of the minorities? They would want the minorities to creep around the stem if they wanted any succour and that too individual favours. Look at our budget. Highest for the military. After the war, is it human security that needs precedence or state security?

What has prevented the State from granting the legitimate expectations of the people of the North and East that they be allowed to look after their affairs undisturbed by outside forces? Root causes which gave rise to violence among the Tamil youth still remain unattended to.

None of the Political Settlements reached with the leaders of the Tamils have been given effect to. Bandaranaike – Chelvanayagam Pact, Dudley Senanayake-Chelvanayagam Pact, Regional Councils’ Legislation under J.R. Jayewardene have been abrogated. The present President, if I remember right in January 2010, gave an assurance to the Prime Minister of India that he would work along the lines of the Thirteenth Amendment plus. The Thirteenth Amendment is a dead letter today.

Now tell me Ayesha! Do you think any majority community based Government, with a history such as this, would consent to grant rights to the Tamil speaking people, unless internationally or locally pressured?

Q: What exactly does the Tamil community want?

Simple. The Tamil-speaking people want to look after their affairs themselves. In legal terminology that is the right of self-determination. They want to be governed in the North and East in their language. They want to go back to the land of their forefathers from temporary living quarters provided by whomsoever. They want their security, law and order to be in the hands of their siblings and progeny not in the hands of outsiders.

They want their lands and properties to be administered by themselves; not by outsiders. They want to elect their own representatives without being dictated to by outside agencies, military power or financial power or administrative power. They need to preserve their language, culture, religions and their way of life without outsiders building statues and vihares in their midst with military might. They need to be freed from mercenaries amongst their midst who plunder and rob at the instigation of outside agencies.

All these are not rights which the Tamil speaking people have concocted for themselves. Any people who have certain identities of their own are entitled to ask for self-determination in terms of the international covenants.

My suggestion is that a federal constitution is the best for our country so that the individuality of each community, major or minor, with its distinguishing identities, could be allowed to grow side by side with each other under one flag. Separation is what Prabhakaran asked. Federalism is what the non-violent Chelvanayagam asked! If need be you need not use the word ‘federalism’ since already it had gathered the status of a dirty word. But the maximum devolution to the periphery without a structural opportunity for interference from the centre should appease the Tamils.

Of course the Indo-Lanka Accord could be a starting point. After all it was an international agreement. But fundamental changes in governance, constitutional process, judicial process, in public administration and local government need to be effected and most importantly reforms in the security sector need to be placed in position if this country is to progress democratically.

Unlike when we were young, many Sinhalese have forgotten or have been made to forget the fact that Tamils occupied this country even before the birth of the Sinhalese language. Their progeny in the North and East are therefore entitled to their unfettered individuality.

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162 Comments

  1. Very good interview of Justice Wigneswaran by Ayesha Zuhair. Thank you for posting it here Mr.Jeyaraj

    I remember reading his final farewell address from the bench upon his retirement.It disturbed many due to its courageous forthrightness. Called a spade a spade without mincing words
    This interview is of the same calibre

  2. A nice interview. I want to know the response of Dr. Rajasingham Narendran to this interview.

    By the way DBSJ I have a feeling that you know The Honorable former Judge Wigneswaran personally. Am I right?

  3. To The former Judge Wigneswaran,

    Thank you Sir, for this interview. A very bold and courageous interview from your side.

    You called a spade a spade.

    Particularly I like your words

    ‘Unlike when we were young, many Sinhalese have forgotten or have been made to forget the fact that Tamils occupied this country even before the birth of the Sinhalese language. Their progeny in the North and East are therefore entitled to their unfettered individuality’.

    May the Almighty give you strength and succour.

    When a person enters the court room and also at the presence of a Judge he has to bend his head. I bend my head to you, Sir.

    Thank you.

  4. The ancestors of the ancients who broke coconuts at Kataragama 3000 years ago still do so today. It’s only that they speak Sinhala now, and ‘try’ to be Buddhists. We as Sri Lankan’s must share our country. Tamils have no exclusive claims. Thank you.

  5. “fact that Tamils occupied this country even before the birth of the Sinhalese language.”
    “from pre historic times’
    what about veddas ?

  6. i agree with most of the views expressed by mr.vigneswaran on abusive use of executive powers,corruption ,torture..etc.but needs to stressed that various claims of various
    ethnic groups like
    country belong to sinhalease etc
    NE first settlers were tamils
    NE was monolingual & monoethnic frm pre historic times
    therefore tamils have exclusive ownership
    are not yet established as facts but are individual opinions only.

  7. His answer to the last question “What Tamils want exactly” is funny and not feasible at all.

    If Tamils are allowed to run their own affairs without interference from Sinhalease it will amount to a seperate country within a country.Legally the country may be one but in all practical terms it will be a seperate country.The government did not fight for thirty years to give that to Tamils,please understand.

    Also no sane government can grant what Tamils want as it is nothing but breaking up the country on ethnic lines.So now it is very clear who promotes seperatism and terrorism in the name of rights.Whether violent or non violent the ultimate objective is going to be same of all the groups whether it be Praba or SJV or TNA.

    Occupation of NE by Tamils from pre historic times is very weak argument only extremist Tamils like this Judge will accept and it has no substance to prove beyond doubts.In fact there are many evidence that NE had Sinhalese settlements until 16 century.Also in the East nearly 25% of the population is Sinhalease.

    If we give into Tamil demand,there is absoulutely no reason why we should not give it to Indian Tamils as they are also a seperate nation and has the right of self determination.Same for Muslims.

    All of these Self Determination argument if nonsence in the Sri Lankan context,it may be valid in Canada or Australia etc.

    The best solution is to build a Sri Lankan identity in this island without promoting seperate identities in ethnic enclaves.This is the simple and feasible solution.

    As long as Tamils want federalism and self determination they will suffer.That is for sure.

  8. Very straight-forward and realistic views of the Judge. Will the politicians give heed to these and make a honest attempt to put the country in the right direction? It is doubtful as they (the politicians) are sunk in their old divisive, self-motiviated and corrupt culture. The existing political culture should be brought to an end so that good thinking and views will be respected and given heed to.

  9. Unlike when we were young, many Sinhalese have forgotten or have been made to forget the fact that Tamils occupied this country even before the birth of the Sinhalese language. Their progeny in the North and East are therefore entitled to their unfettered individuality.
    ———————
    I just thought that I was reading VP or AB speach.
    The honourable ret, judge sir, it is fruitful to you to read the history before making comments as such,

    I a short there was not tamils in Jaffna before DOUCH, and there was no tamils in hill country before Englishman.

    Furthermore there is one similaratiy of them, both are COOLIES. The first category came here as tobacco coolies and later came as tea coolies.

    samarasekara

  10. Former Judge Wigneswaran is a realist and his forthright and courageous replies to Ayesha Zuhair testifies to his character as a fair an brave individual.

  11. Tamils Have exclusive claims because they can’t live together with people who dishonour their promises,pacts, agreements and treaties and continue to opress, rape and rob the Tamils incessantly.
    Hi Naren start singing for your supper.

  12. Dear Saj,
    I agree with you. “We as Sri Lankan’s must share our country.” Well said Saj!
    But, Saj, you have simply hidden the truth!
    The problem that the Tamils and other minorities of Sri Lanka face from the independence is the Sinhala – Theravada Buddhist nationalism based on the false and imaginary doctrine: Aryan – Sinhala – Theravada Buddhism – Lanka doctrine with one to one correspondence.
    I am sure you would not have forgotten what Mr. MR and General Sarath Fonseka had told the Sinhala Buddhists during the Presidential election campaign. One said: “One Race One country.” The other said: “Lanka belongs to the Sinhala Buddhists. The Tamils do not have right over Lanka. They have to live with the concessions given to them by the Sinhala Theravada Buddhist.”
    Though both implied the same, the one who beat the “One Race, One country” drum only put his doctrine in a simplest form understandable to the Sinahalese and won the Presidential election with a big margin!
    Unless the Sinhalese political parties and people like you reject the Sinhala – Theravada Buddhist nationalism based on the false and imaginary doctrine, the Tamils and Muslims cannot live with rights. The country will not be made a multi-ethnic, multi-lingual, multi-religious and multi-cultural.
    Again, you say: “It’s only that they speak Sinhala now, and ‘try’ to be Buddhists.”
    My dear just because those who broke coconut long ago at Kataragama now speak Sinhala and try to be Buddhists, the present Tamil population from the North and East should also speak Sinhala and ‘try’ to be Buddhists.
    Your saying “Tamils have no exclusive claims” confirms who you are.
    You are talking rubbish.
    Leaving these aside,let us consider your statement:”The ancestors of the ancients who broke coconuts at Kataragama 3000 years ago still do so today.”
    Theravada Buddhism has nothing to do with breaking coconuts. Therefore, what you refer is actually Murugan Temple at Kataragama.
    Then an important question arises. What is the God Murugan?
    Dear, if you analyze scientifically the ancient Tamil, Sinhala literature and the archaeological finds of Lanka, you could confirm the truth that Lord Muruga is actually an imaginary God created by the Tamil Mahayana Buddhists on the basis of Lord Buddha and his preaching!
    Lord Muruga has triple stripe on his forehead. He holds a ‘Vel’ by his right hand and also carries a bell according to Tamil literature.
    The triple stripe symbolizes the Middle Path. The Middle Path is the fundamental philosophy of Buddhism.
    This associates Lord Muruga with the Middle Path.
    As I have already explained in this web under different articles and essays, a bell, like a conch,hand drum etc. symbolizes announcing something to all or preaching something to all.
    The ‘Vel’ symbolizes the Middle Path, the fundamental philosophy of Buddhism.
    Therefore, the ‘Vel,’ a bell and the triple stripe confirm that God Muruga is an imaginary creation based on Buddha and his preaching.
    Also, you find Lord Muruga in the Middle of the two extremes: ‘Thivaanai’ and ‘VaLLi.’ This also associates Lord Muruga with the Middle Path, the findamental philosophy of Buddhism.
    Again, you have to note an important thing.
    The Theravada Buddhism rejects completely Puranas, literature, symbolization, symbolization of Lord Buddha and Buddhism, statues, sculptures, music, painting, dance and other forms of art.
    Only Mahayana Buddhism accepts these.
    Therefore, the Sinhala architecture, dance, music, drama, iconography etc. have nothing to do with Theravada Buddhism.
    With all these, please try to re-examine what you have written.
    You are equaly ignorant as the other Sinhala – Theravada Buddhist extremists!
    Unless the Sinhala nation is rescued from its ignorance, our country will continue to face problems.

  13. Oh Mahesh Mahesh you want to know the response from Dr. Rajasingham Narendran, you know what it would be…ha ha ha!

    Some people are born slaves, knowledge…education… and nothing will change them.

  14. Mr.C.V. Wigneswaran is a realist and his forthright and courageous replies to Ayesha Zuhair testifies to his character as a fair, brave and honest person.
    I am not suprised that he well deserved the eminent position he held as a judge of Supreme Court in Sri Lanka.

    He is spot on when he says that except for a few people like Dr.Wickremabahu Karunaratne,Mr.Welliamune and such others in the majority community the rest are indifferent in adressing or the exploration of a genuine solution to the problems of the Tamils and proceeds to provides a valid explanation to his sweeping statement.He does not mince words.
    That is typical of the man as I have known him.

  15. Saj I believe all the Sinhalese are Sinhalised Tamils. But we we have to accept the reality. Now there are Sinhalese and Tamil speaking peaple. Tamil speaking people asking for maximum devolution to the periphery without structural opportunity for interference from the centre is not an exclusive claim. Even Sinhalese just because they are in majority have no exclusive claim for the whole country. This is not a Sinhala Buddhist country, this country belong to all. If the Sinhalese governments did not want to play ping pong with Tamils just to hoodwink the gullible Sinhales people, the problem will be solved with maximum devolution.

  16. “They also said “You Tamils are yourselves the majority in two provinces. Why should you have seats in Colombo?””

    “This meant they recognised the individuality of the Ceylonese Tamil Community who had occupied the two provinces, North and East, from pre-historic times.”

    How does the second quote necessarily follow from the first quote? A somewhat strange deduction for a Supremem Court Judge. From pre-historic times? What is the evidence? How did the Tamil language in Sri Lanka survive all those years with hardly a mutation from its original form while the Sinhalese evolved a completely separate language and culture?

    “Unlike when we were young, many Sinhalese have forgotten or have been made to forget the fact that Tamils occupied this country even before the birth of the Sinhalese language. Their progeny in the North and East are therefore entitled to their unfettered individuality”

    Well, the first sentence is somewhat accurate although he should perhaps replace “South Indian” with the word “Tamil” as the original inhabitants could have equally migrated from Kerala as well. However the second sentence does not necessarily follow as from all the evidence we can see a continous evolutions of the Sinhala language and culture from those early immigrants who may not even have spoken Tamil but a proto Dravidian ancestral to even Tamil. It is therefore a lot more probable that it is the Sinhalese who are the decendants from those early “Tamils” and the Tamils are the decendants from more recent immigrants as their language and culture have not evolved much from what is today found in South India.

    I agree with Judge Wigneswaran on everything else. Especially his criticisms of the current regime and system of government. But when I see someone trying to claim a hugely disproportionate chunk of Sri Lankan land on the back of some dodgy, historically unsubstantiated claim I cant help but smell a rat.

    If only Tamils make demands based on fairness, justice and equality (i.e. for a proportionate piece of the country) you would find a lot more Sinhalese like myself joining in their cause.

  17. Keep talking like this, till some external pressure is applied on to your island to settle this dispute in a way that you people do not like to settle.

  18. ‘Tamils have no exclusive claims. Thank you.’

    Any ethnic group or Nationality has the right to ask for the rights that the Tamils are asking for in Sri Lanka. You cannot say they don’t have any exclusive claims or rights.

  19. ‘Any people who have certain identities of their own are entitled to ask for self-determination in terms of the international covenants; these are not rights which the Tamil speaking people have concocted for themselves’.

    This cull sets the tone and substance of the views of a former Supreme Court Judge. Is anybody listening … .. .

  20. “The loss of our judiciary’s independence can be traced to the 1972 Constitution and thereafter to the 1978 Constitution. Let me explain some of the most salient structural deficiencies in our system.”

    Great interview and the title “In depth” is very apt. The LTTE problem and JVP insurrection and other civil commotions and ethnic riots are superficial phenomena of the deep rooted problem of the governance of the country. It is for everyone who place great emphasis and render twist to the superficial issues to take note and reflect deep into the problems of the country. SriLanka cannot be proud of its achievement as a Nation following mainly Buddhist principals and fostering other faiths of minorities. Spiritualism which does not need a religion is different from religious faith. Flaws of SriLanka is fundamental and the current regime and pattern of governance cannot thrive long and it augers that fall is not far from now.

  21. Absolutely bulls eye hit on the nail. Had Dayan the confuser and singes for his supper for present Government read this and has any answer ????

  22. Absolutely bulls eye hit on the nail. Had Dayan the confuser and singes for his supper for present Government read this and has any answer ????

    Saj we have never asked exclusive claim to whole srilanka although It may have been ours. we are askin let us live the way we want in our home and You sinhalees live in you home the way you like.

  23. Like Mahesh above, I like to know Dr. Narendran’s view of this interview. Mind you, Judge Wigneswaran is not part of the diaspora and not a politician. He is a citizen of Sri Lanka.
    Based on Dr. Narendran’s recent response, his view of peaceful coexistance for Tamils and Sinhalese is, as long as MR govt builds the infrastructre in the N & E, Tamils don’t need or demand the right of self determination, clearly described in this interview. We need more people like Judge Wigneswaran among the citizens of Sri Lanka.

  24. What you are saying is completely untrue–read Jaffna Under the Portuguese by Tikiri Abeyasinghe, it cites historical evidence including Portuguese archives, to show that Tamils were the population of the northern province even during the Portuguese era.

  25. The fact that even a peddler of bogus history could become a SC judge in the Sinhala homeland is testament to the tolerant nature of the Sinhalese.

  26. Very interesting.

    The salient points the ex Judge makes are,

    Tamils occupied North and the East even in prehistoric times !!

    Tamils occupied Srilanka even before Sinhala was born!!

    Tamils refused Federalism in the 40s because they were well rooted in the North and the East as well as were doing very well else where.!!

    What he wants

    North and East for themselves

    Governance in their own language.

    Land administered by themselves

    No Statues or Viharas in their areas.

    No outside interference.

    Long time LTTE proxy, Mr Samnandan sounds lame in comparison to this ex Supreme Court Judge.

  27. Sinhalese came to Eelam as thugs, Vijaya and his thugs. Mervin, Dumitha all kuddu…. still living legends of great nation..

  28. Dear Hikz,
    If you analyze scientifically the Pali, Sinhala literature and the archaeological finds of Lanka, you will understand and confirm that history of the Sinhalese, history of the Theravada Buddhism in Lanka, history of the Sinhala language, history of the Sinhala literature, history of Sinhala architecture, history of Sinhala music, dance and other fine arts are only good thriller novels!
    Why cannot the Sinhala nation that lives with imagination could not have “a peddler of bogus history” as a SC Judge!
    First yiu analyze scientifically the Pali, Sinhala literature and the archaeological finds finds of Lanka and then talk.

  29. If that’s the case how come so little Tamils than singhalese? Did they mass produced or killed Tamils?
    Tamils were here before singhalese then before that who? And before that may be apes? So apes should rule ? You should ask these questions from Indonesia, Malaysia etc too.

  30. Governance in their own language.

    Land administered by themselves

    No Statues or Viharas in their areas.

    Are these things too much to ask for. Can you be ruled in an alien language like Bengali or Hindi or Swahili.

    What is wrong in administering their own land. After all they can utilize their land resources in a better manner.

    Why there should be Viharas built with the support of the Govt. If a vihara comes up Naturally out of the indigenious Budhist population no wrong in that. Why should someone plant it there.

  31. @samarasekera,you dont have to agree with what the hon judge has said BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU TELL LIES MATE! Tamils were there long long before the even the Portugese came

    Whether you like it or not the fact is that both Sinhalese and Tamils are from India and not the original inhabitants of this blessed land so take your crap somewhere else,furthermore Sinhalese are the descendants of Vijaya and his clan who were kicked out of his fathers kingdom (whcih makes the ‘outcasts!’),now please do not say thats not true because of you say so you will call the ‘Mahavamsa’ a pack of lies !!!!

  32. Now if you did not know wickneswaran and bumped into him would you think he is a tamil or sinhalese or veddha. People of this island are a acharu and going to become more and more acharu as time passes on.Now the mixing has stopped temporarily due to the stupidity of sinhala politicians after independence highlighting ethnicity in order gain votes,otherwise it would have quietly gone on until we one day become one people.

  33. I have to agree with most of what he says until talks about the Tamil question. At this point he starts talking the usual crap the Eelamist push. He is using the usual technique that most people use to win an argument. First talk lot of truths and then at the end extrapolate things to push a argument that is wrong. At a basic level what he is saying is the Tamils are the original inhabitants of SL and every one else are foreigners. It is apparent everyone living in Sri Lanka is a mix of South Indian, North Indian, Bengali, Arab etc. Thus, everyone is to some extent a foreigner (including each and every Tamil) I am sure that each and every Sinhalese living in Sri Lanka has Tamil blood in them. Thus, his justification for a separate nation falls apart. I believe that the Tamils in Sri Lanka should have the complete freedom freely use their language, practice their culture and even manage their own affairs to some extent. I understand why the Tamils needs Tamil speaking policemen, legal system and a government. I also believe that there should be no discrimination whatsoever based on race, caste or religion. However, we Sinhalese are totally opposed to agreeing that the Tamils are a separate nation. No Sinhalese will ever agree to it. The only objective of this is to divide Sri Lanka. He also seems to ignore the painful truth about the Muslims in Sri Lanka. One third of the east is Muslim. Does that mean that they don’t belong there since they have Arabic blood in them?

  34. Dont waste time with Indian males like Yogesg. No point.

    Spend time with the beautiful Indian women who I think are the most gorgeous,divine creatures on earth

    I went with my Tamil friends to see two Tamil films “osti” and “mayakam ena”.

    The male actors in both useless ugly fellows. But the heroine in both was one and the same

    She was fair and lovely and had a fabulous figure.
    , My friends said she is Richa Gangopadhyaya Bengali brahmin from USA

    Oh what a wonderful,elegant beauty

    Her legs were classic and feet exquisite

    I can spend a lifetime lying at her feet licking her golden soles and sucking her pinky red toes.

    She can trample me all day or walk on me or rub her shoe clad feet on me or simply stand on my face

    All that agony I will undergo for the sheer ecstasy of experiencing her dainty feet on me

    I will lick her sandals spick and span with my tongue and kiss them a 1000 times if Richas pretty feet are encased in them

    Oh Infant!

    Why dont you grow up and be a man like me.

    Be a true blue blooded Sinhala man like me

  35. Thanks to Ayesha Zuhair for the valuable interview. Our Retired Supreme court Judge is lucky so far only one from our list of ‘respected spoilers’ called him indirectly as one worse than the Tiger Proxy.

  36. It is amazing how all the comments relate to the ethnic issue. The good thing is people are in agreement with the rest. It is sad that there is no discussion on what we can do to achieve the things that we agree upon. Instead the discussion is on what we dont agree. I wonder what it would take to galvanise people into working towards achieving things that they agree on instead of wasting time on what they dont.

    In the above spirit, I think it may be of value to understand that his stand on the ethnic issue is how almost all Tamils feel. While one may disagree on who the “original” inhabitants were and when different linguistic groups were formed, what is undeniable is that the Northern and Eastern provinces have been almost exclusively Tamil-speaking areas for 700-800 years at the very least. Is not such a long period adequate to allow them to have the right of self-determination? That is why James Pieris and Samarawickrama felt that the North and East were “Tamil” areas. Bandaranaike’s federalist view was also based on such a view. I think Wigneswaran’s point is that the Sinhalese in the early part of the last century had a different view of the history of the country than the Sinhalese of today. This is because of the politicisation of history to serve different rhetoric.

    From a pragmatic point I don’t see why any Sinhalese should oppose self-determination by Tamil speaking people. It only means that the Tamil-speaking people can organise the affairs in their areas. No Sinhala speakers are living there at present (except the military). So it cannot harm anybody. Life in the South will continue without any hinderance. In fact allowing the Tamil speakers to arrange their own affairs will contribute towards “regulatory competition” which should help advance the entire country economically. In fact the linguistic affinity with Tamil Nadu with around 70 million people, Singapore and Malaysia, will open up markets that Sinhala speakers wont have ready access to. But there is likely to be positive externality towards the Sinhala speaking areas. Allowing the Tamil speakers to govern themselves will contribute towards their cultural development, which in turn will contribute to the Sinhalese culture.

  37. Am sorry, but why is it feasible in Canada and Australia? And mind you Australia is essentially monolingual. How does self-determination of Tamil-speaking people harm you? The Muslims and Tamils have an ancient and consanguineous relationship. They speak the same language and a federal structure can ensure that they compete on equal terms. The problem is when Tamil-speakers have to compete in an alien language to succeed. They are severely disadvantaged.

    The point is a Sri Lankan identity need not be alternate to a Tamil or Muslim identity. India has proved this very successfully. But imposing your language or religion on others or trying to control their lives makes them resent you. They thus start having an identity that is primarily one that is opposed to the “Sri Lankan” identity because “Sri Lankan” becomes “Singhalese”.

    Let’s try and aim for a win-win situation and not get bogged down on positions.

  38. It is called “language replacement”. No serious academics still believe that languages are intrinsically linked to ethnic groups. There is no difference between Tamils and Sinhalese in terms of ethncity. The difference is in the language. The Singhala language developed from Prakrit and Pali, its literary counterpart. The Northern and Eastern provinces retained Tamil because of their proximity to Tamil Nadu and it was useful in trade etc.

    Come on lets not waste time on being argumentative and look at what can be done.

  39. “This meant they recognised the individuality of the Ceylonese Tamil Community who had occupied the two provinces, North and East, from pre-historic times.” It is because they recognised the individuality of the Tamil Community that they made such a suggestion. Why else would they do that? The Tamils’ pedigree must have been the basis for such a suggestion for there could not have been any other reason to make such a suggestion.

    In fact you answer your own question with regard to Tamil surviving all these years. The Tamil that is used, particularly in Jaffna is very different from the Tamil spoken in India and retains some ancient forms of Tamil from Tolkappiyam times, i.e. around 3rd century BC. This shows that the Tamil speakers in Sri Lanka were:
    (a) of an origin before at least 300 BC; and
    (b) maintained their individuality over 2000 years.

    You should also realise that languages such as Malayalam (from Kerala), Telugu (from Andhra Pradesh) and Kannada (from Karnataka) all had a common origin, and Tamil remains the closes to the original Proto-Dravidian language. While Telugu branched off around 500BC, Malayalam as a separate language only developed around 6th century A.D. So your differentiation between different regions in South India are not really meaningful, particularly in relation to Kerala, which at the time would have consisted of old-Tamil speakers.

    The Tamil speakers’ demands are not unfair. All they are asking is to manage their own affairs, which can be best done by people who speak the same language. Let the State not interfere with them but on the other hand they will embrace the ordinary people who want to live among them.

  40. Vignesvaran says, North East give to Tamils when more than 65% of all the Tamils live out side this area. Then, Kanda Udarata can be claimed by Kandyans while low countries can be claimed by low country radala people like the bandaranayaka clan. Tea estate Tamils can claim the hill country. Where does this leave Burgers, Muslims’ Malays etc? It appears that the learned gentleman of Law thinks every one else in SL are living in luxury or undeserving pariah’s while the Tamils are deprived of self rule which is their justifiable right!!. All this when there is a separate state across the water for the Tamils! what a looser

  41. Yes please read it critically. The “Sinhala” place name issue is now the favourite theme of many. There are several issues that you have to look at when trying to decipher meanings of ancient times:

    1. The problem of “faux amies” or “false friends”. In other words the mere fact that two words sound similar in two languages dont mean that they have the same root. Just because a word sounds like a word in Singhalese doesn’t mean it came from Singhalese.
    2. The Tamil used at the time of the naming of the places is old Tamil in many instances and one has to look at older Tamil meanings which is not in day to day use today.
    3. “Singhalese” names are often nothing more than Sanskrit or Pali names. Tamil has had signficant amount of loan words from Sanksrit and it is natural that several words have Sanskrit routes. Not all names are given in pure Tamil. While Sanskrit borrowed structure from Tamil extensively and relatively few loan words, Tamil retained its structure and borrowed loan words from Sanksrit.

  42. Many thanks to Judge.
    The Ceylon Morning Leader – A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR CEYLON – Speech in July 1926 in Jaffna by S.W.R. D. BANDARANAIKE

    Mr Bandaranaike said that it was necessary in the first place to realise the importance of the present time. A revision of the constitution was due in 1928. A satisfactory measure of self-government was expected. It was therefore necessary to think very clearly and realise in its entirety the whole political question. ******A false step taken, a false proposal made now would be very difficult to retrieve in the future*********. They all wanted self-government. The question remained what was the measure of self-government they were aiming at.

    Why did SWRD took the wrong route?????

  43. Friends,If you werent living a 40 feet deep bunker hiidden away from civilization since 1970’s , Here’s Breaking-News for you: It’s a very small World where coutries,borders,ethnicites, blah, blah, blahh fast becoming insignifcant due to Globalization. Who ever adopts and embraces this fact quicker will best enjoy their “living” in this small planet. for the rest, good luck and keep struggling & sacrificing for self rule.it s less competion for those who look forward to live amongst all the peoples.

  44. so why is that non of the historians used old tamil language to find the meanings ?they should have done this “one has to look at older Tamil meanings” task .

    “the mere fact that two words sound similar in two languages dont mean that they have the same root” yes it is true 4 a extent but such ‘sounding similar’ does not deny they have the same root either. thank u

  45. Jega, not northern province noth eastern province, with police,land,and financial power.

    Infant, you have confirmed you have not grown and learned any thing yet.

    Dingri, where were you during the First 30 years after Independence?????

    PP, you are living in Mahavamsa supremacist/racist mythical mind set.

    K+A,Alberts and the elks

    Samarasekara, and pp are in the same mind set.

  46. Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, but the refusal to acquire it.The Truth is Sinhalese were Hindus before converted to buddhism and christianity.

    Around 3000 years ago ,Another legend Siddha Boganathar like Bodhidharmar established the ‘Yanthra’ worship at kathirgamam Murugan Temple.

    http://palani.org/bhogar-biography.htm

    Siddha Bhoganathar is credited with inscribing a mystical yantric geometric design etched into a metalic plate and its installation at the sanctum sanctorum of the Kataragama Devale.Bhogar is(herbal healer or alchemist) said to have made the statue of Lord Murugan at Palani by himself using Navabhasanam, made of a combination of rare & extensively medicinal herbs.

    You can’t hide the truth for longtime,but some time it will take a while to understand the'”Coconut”shell brains.Well done Honourable Vigneswaran.(I like your ‘fish market’ joke,Its True!)

  47. Regardless of the nature and content of the interview,Judge Wigneswaran resides in SL and the “vaaichol veerarhal” can’t even mention their names on the comments section.Other big difference is the Dr always uses his name.To his credit the Judge has not lent his name to the “civil society” letter to TNA.I hope those who had not put their names on the letter are not labelled as “uncivil” people.

  48. Justice Wigneswaran, you rock.

    Root causes which gave rise to violence among Tamil youth still remain unattended to.

    Except for a handful of persons like Dr. Wickramabahu Karunaratne, Mr.Weliamuna and a few others the majority of Sinhala masses do not want a solution.

    How long is the military going to stay in the North and East? For ever?

    Now tell me Ayesha! Do you think any majority community based Government, with a history such as this, would consent to grant rights to the Tamil speaking people, unless internationally or locally pressured? (According to some folks – what happens in Colombo stays in Colombo)

    Any people who have certain identities of their own are entitled to ask for self-determination in terms of the international covenants.

    Tamils occupied this country even before the birth of the Sinhalese language.

  49. Your honour, There are a lot of misleading and false statements in what you say. Let me list some of this
    (i) Buddism is not the state religion – If any country had a leigitmate right to do so hela dipa is the most suitable.
    (ii) Tamils were before the Sinhalese – what a joke – You tamils have a african origin and comes from Eritria and sorroundings – That is why due to this long standing boold relationship Prahaharen was close to them.
    (iii) How can a minority of below 10% of a population rule 90% of the people during colonial times when you held sway over other communities due to the divide and rule policy of the British…come on jude be more factual and don’t talk only one side of the story it is not refective of the honor that is accorded to you by some (Kalu Suddas)in this discussion
    Your set of people who bitrayed this counntry and became “educated” doesn’t mena thta this belongs to you. If this belonged to you why didn’t we see any liberations battles by the tamils during the colonial rule (Sankili did it once but for different reasons). Why did’t you spill your blood like the Sinhalese did ? or were you enjoying the over proportinate nwely accorded benefits given by your masters.
    What a lie to say that Tamils were here before the Sinhalease. There is already evidence physical as well as written that clearly shows that the Tamils were invadors who pillaged this country from time to time. King Elara being a Tamil is an absolute lie. He was a hela king who was two much in love with the way of the Hela’s thus the meaning Hela Ala – elala. King Gamini Abaya was a more internationalist and wanted to change this nature. King Gamaini Abaya’s (actually this is king Dutugamunus real name)father was from the Yaksa and Sakiya clan while mother was totally Naga tribe. The original inhabitors of Lanka which has nothing to do with the Tamils who came much later.
    The writing and maintaining records was (cronicling)a Hela tradition and tamil people had no trdition like that.

    Hindu religion has noting to do with the Tamils and all the gods are clearly not tamil by any means of imagination, Although Tamils as a race became Hindus.Is Ariyachakrawathi’s tamil ? funny how a tamil will use the word “Ariya” to the front of their names. When Maga invaded this country they employed a stagegy of raping all the women and creating a mix race and tamilised some of the regions. That is why the Koviyars are actually the Goviyas of today. In Jaffana there are bloodlines which are more Hela than Tamil although now they have to be considered Tamil due to their mixing therougly with the Tamils who came from Soli Rata.Also there are a lot of Indian Tamils who migrated to this Island during the past 500 years from Cremendhal for tobbacco farming etc.

    There is a lot more to write ……… The Hela meaning of Demala etc….which waqs used to identify races or people with specific characteristics tha a race taht is why even the Protugese are refered to as Damila in sinhalese writing.

  50. LKsword,
    There are some other lovely ladies in Tamil cinema with pretty feet and dainty toes like Asin, Trisha, Shruti, Hansika, Tamanna,Sreya,Nayantara and Taapsi too

    Why not this proud Sinhala hero and his sword lie down at their feet and show his slavish devotion with them too?

  51. What a racist thinking! Please analyse his views without bias. If you don’t get yourself into that mindset, you people will talk and write this same rubbish over and over again. Please allow everyone in this country live amicably.

  52. I pity your understanding of Justice Vigneswaran’s views. You are talking about oranges while he is talking about apples. Please desist from making comments and wasting space in this site if you cannot understand the complicity of the issues analysed herein.

  53. Shame on you! You cannot even make a decent comment. You cannot meet the argument by argument, but writing like a clown.

  54. Hello,

    Self determination for Tamils will finally lead to break up of the country for sure.It is because of this fact any SL GVT cant and wont allow that to happen.Afterall who will not like to and say no to a country of your own.

    Sinhalese also have anundinialble claim and right to NE provinces and that s why we fought 30 years.This is simply because what Praba wanted was not possible so is what TNA ask with merger,L&P powers.

    So if you want to be pragmatic you have to accept Sinhalese right and the will to keep the country as one and nbe ready to involve the south government to have a governace system.

  55. Mr.LKsword

    I am a beautiful Sinhala woman with fair and lovely feet.

    Why dont you come and lie down at my feet and do all those things you do to Tamil film actors?

    Ai Api Kaludha?

  56. Shhh!! Everybody please. Can we suggest, make proposals how a future government should -this government would not do a thing- handle this problem of multi-ethnicity, multi-religion and multi-lingual conflict? How can we solve all these ethnic problems and live in brotherhood? After all we are the citizens of one country, we all have to live in this land, this is the mother land of all of us. The Tamils here will not be accepted by another country though they are sympathetic towards them. Why these nationalities live in peace with each other? Can we find a solution to this? This is now the most historical and most important question all ethnicities in this country have to find a solution. Without solving it we all will have to suffer to a greater or lesser extent.

    A discussion on history, the origins and homelands may be useful purely in the historical significance. But as human beings when we see this endless conflict and human suffering, I think we must let our humane feelings and natures take precedence and dictate the solutions.

    Instead of putting one argument against another, one assertion against another, going back in time and looking for the original mischief-maker or the original inhabitor can we enumerate the real problems and and practical solutions to them?

  57. If you do not undanderstand why SD of Tamils harm you,now please understand.It will deprive Sinhalese the opportunity to settle down in NE as in a merged NE province with L&P powers the Lands will not be avaialble for Sinhalese as all will be owned by the PC and distributed only to Tamils only.

    Also it is unfair as 1/3 of the country and the 2/3 of the coast line will be owned by Tamils who are only less than 10%.Got the point now.

    The eastern province which was never part of any Tamil kindom(limited to Jaffna penninsular) will be entirely
    a part of an emerging Tamil kingdom.

    I can explain you more but hope you have the brains to understand our concerns.

    Being Sri Lankans means not shedding Sinhalese and Tamil identities,but think as Sri Lankans first and do what is good for Sri Lankans not good for Tamils or Sinhalease. Also equal citicenship means not having a seperate teritory to control by a minority but enjoying citizens right such as equality in language,occupation etc.

    You say Sinhala is an alien language to you.What an extreame view.How about English to you is it not alien?

    The simple solution to the language issue is we will learn your language and you will learn our language so that each language will not be alien to each other.

    Then irrespective of ethnicity,Sri Lankan policemen can work anywhere in the island.

    So if you wish a seperate area with Tamil only police,Tamil judiciary and Tamil only people,sorry it is high time to change your mind and think as Sri lankan.

  58. I have read this interview carefully. I agree that the last question and answer is what most tamils are lead to believe.
    Tamil homeland, self determination self rule ect.
    While I respect the judges views I wish to state that what he is telling is this.
    The Tamils want to be a majority in an area they can call their own.
    They know very well under any democratic rule they can never harness the vor=tes to rule the country. The Tamils do not want Sinhalese policemen, Sinhalese presidents Sinhalese flags and language spoken in their area.
    I think he conveniently left out the word Sinhalese in his lenghty answer.

    The Sinhalese on the other hand are deeply suspicous, They know its a ‘Little now more later’

    This is where we are all at.

    As long as people think of themselves as tamils and sinhalese there can be no end to this conflict.

  59. Senthilan, C :—I pity your understanding of Justice Vigneswaran’s views  You better pity yourself.

    I understand exactly the under current of his views. Like Siva Pasupathi who held one of the most prestigious positions in the GOSL and became a LTTE proxi when he landed in Australia. Don’t try to tell the world that V is taking rocket science. Majority of Tamils after being instrumental in the death and torture of over 100,000 people for their unfulfilled pipe dream of a separate state is now trying other means and arguments to justify their barbaric case. That’s all it is mate.

  60. The aim of Tamil National movement was to raise Ceylong Tamils to a level of a pseudo majority. It can only be pseudo (or unreal) because the numbers weren’t there to match the Sinhalese. The first attempt was demanding communal representation i.e. seat in Colombo south and 50/50 etc. These demands were found unreasonable by even the colonial British. Failing to make Ceylon Tamil a pseudo majority in the entire island they demanded merging NE and making Tamil a majority of nearly 1/3 of the island instead.

    The main objective here is to make Tamils look ‘big’ than they really are in the island. Ex-Judge CV Wigneswaran gives some clues as to why they think they deserve to be a pseudo majority. Apparently because Tamils were here before Sinhalese. Furthermore they claim Sinhala language originated from Tamil.

    To some this may appear to be a pathetic reason to terrorise a country for nearly 40 years. However that is reason why the Jaffanese even today continue with the pompous demand. Perhaps no where else in the world in its entire history has this ever happened.

  61. Whether the demand is from Chelvanayagam or the demand is from VP, typical Sinhalese answer is the same. A very big NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I don’t feel sorry for what VP did. Only thing is because of a single person lakhs of Tamils suffered. I believe the future generation of Tamils will be more intelligent than Chelvanayagam and VP and they will be able to secure their rights from the Sinhalese grand racism. Wigneswaran should be very careful in SL.

    I seriously think about the solution that was proposed by Diyasena. Trinco or some region can be joined with North Central or even a new province shall be created so that North and East will not have the physical contiguity and other political aspirations of the Tamils can be fullfilled in North (with Jaffna as the capital) and East (with Batticola as the capital).

  62. Saj

    “Tamils have no exclusive claims”

    I agree. I am duty bound to remind you Sinhalese too do not have exclusive claims under their manufactured identity.

    Why the exclusively Sinhala Buddhist state wants to grab political power and land from rest of the people?

    Could I remind you Sri Lanka is not Sinhala’s island as it once belonged to my people who broke coconuts 3000 years ago at Kataragama.

    Budha did not visit Tamils nor Sinhalese but my people. Therefore please limit yourself to mundane things like what you know best,

    Veg in plastic containers,
    how to qualify as lawyer with 99% marks,
    how to make more misery for the ordinary people,
    how not to respect human rights and rule of law.
    how to to increase commission each mega deals
    ………….

    Lankies are quite good at it.

  63. Gam

    No need to kiss the feet of all Tamils.

    All you have to do is to vacate my ancestral land as soon as possible. When you go back to India the mother country, homeland, …..etc please take your Sinhala and Tamil brothers and sisters with you.

    We have had enough.

  64. Dear LKsword

    I am the daughter of a Kandyan Radala father and Dutch Burgher mother. I have what you may call fair and lovely feet with pretty soles and dainty toes.

    The two servant boys at our place compete with each other taking turns to soak my feet daily in warm water sprinkled with lime juice and then dry them and rub cream lotion ,trim toe nails and paint them with nail polish.They also apply talcum powder to my feet before putting on my footwear in the morning when I go to work and apply rose water on my feet when removing my footwear in the evening after I return from work.

    Would you be willing Mr.LKsword to give up your Indian actresses and come work for me please?If you do I’ll get rid of both my servant boys and entrust both my feet to you.I am sure you will take good care of them with true love in your heart like a proud Sinhala man

  65. Dear Ambalangoda,

    I think you are right about the judge and his intentions, and the silly attempt to bring about the usual crap about who came first. I also agree with the fact that there must be some form of mix in the Tamils and Sinhalese,
    But I don’t think that the Muslims are from pure Arabic blood or any thing like that. Some of the Muslims may have ancestors from Arabic countries, but they all belong to the same group which is Sri Lankans. And I don’t think it matters which sub group one belongs to!

    Regards,

  66. Hey Infant,

    Do you know how many Tamil place names in current Sinhala Areas(outside northeast) from prehistoric time? If you start to find your root you would be wonder your ancestor might be Tamils! So, can we claim our Tamil Ancestor land from you sinhalese currently live?

    But you Singalese don’t try to claim our ‘Lands rights’ in our ‘native bumi’ by politically or at Gun point bogusly changing the Maps and place name in the last character which is Sinhala Hegemony and colonisation.

    Check Kumunai(southeastern coast) ,Sippikkulam (Hambantota dt.),Maduramadu vembu (Puttalam dt.),Puduveli (Polonnaruva dt.),Kochikadei (Colombo dt.)Pullaiyaradi (Anuradhapura dt.)Pittipanai (Negombo dt.)Devendra Munai(Dondra-Southern Province)…

    http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?id=67

  67. Ivor, lets pause and think about the implications of what you (and many others) are saying. Siva Pasupathi, Wigneswaran and other Tamils are all having the same view isn’t it? Almost all the Tamils I know have the same view as well. Is it that they are all cunning devious Tamils who want to hoodwink the Singhalese? Or perhaps they are all just too stupid to understand the “true” history? All these years of suffering of the Tamil speaking people must mean that they believe in their cause, right? While the LTTE no doubt forced a lot of people to join them, almost all Tamils supported self-determination, though not the method of violence. In your view then the Tamils are either knaves or fools, is it not? When that sums up a view, perhaps its time to rethink?

  68. Tamils occupied this country even before the birth of the Sinhalese language. Their progeny in the North and East are therefore entitled to their unfettered individuality.

    I just do not understand how anybody can respect this ‘frog in the well’.

  69. Dear Native Veddha,

    So what will u do if v do not vacate ur so called ancestral lands?. Blog more vigharously in net?
    LTTE tried to vacate us with the same excuse n look they do not even exist.

  70. Dear Hikz,
    Anonynous,
    “If you analyze scientifically the Pali, Sinhala literature and the archaeological finds of Lanka, you will understand and confirm that history of the Sinhalese, history of the Theravada Buddhism in Lanka, history of the Sinhala language, history of the Sinhala literature, history of Sinhala architecture, history of Sinhala music, dance and other fine arts are only good thriller novels!
    Why cannot the Sinhala nation that lives with imagination could not have “a peddler of bogus history” as a SC Judge!
    First yiu analyze scientifically the Pali, Sinhala literature and the archaeological finds finds of Lanka and then talk.”

    The level of ur comment shows that u have not even done 5% of what u r asking Hikz to do.

  71. Lotus feet ,Lotus feet

    I am ready,able and willing. Why should I go after Indian feet when a Kandyan aristocrat’s fair and lovely feet are available

    Get rid of your servant boys and command me to come crawling
    I will be there my Udarata Menike!

  72. My dear Ponnu

    I am wiiling>why should I miss a golden opportunity to ravish beautiful feet regardless of ethnicity?

    I am a proud Sinhala warrior but I am not racist when it comes to fair and lovely feet. Dainty toes are dainty toes

  73. My dear Sookiri Kella,

    Samawenda!

    As a proud Sinhala warrior my priority is always for my land and my people. Why should I go in search of foreign feet if fair and lovely Sinhala dames and damsels give their feet to be worshipped, soles licked and toes sucked by me

    Sudosudhu! I am ever ready. Command me and I lie in the dust before you for you to do anything to me with your lotus feet.

    Mama Laasthi

  74. Hi DBSJ

    No point in publishing interviews with retired old people like this.I request you again to interview the god walking on earth honorable Douglas Devananda and post here. He is a real cabinet minister with lots of power and not a deflated legal balloon like this man.If this ex-judge wants to be a big man he must accepr honorable Devananda as leader and join EPDP and serve the people

  75. We must have judges who would look after the interests of the People against the state, without of course purposely jeopardizing the state’s interests.
    —————–

    Agree with you 100%.

  76. TWK

    I did not call tamils cunning and devious. Those are your words. However, this north and east merger is impractical. Simply, more than 65% of tamils live out side these area’s in harmony with other races. They are very well respected. In Colombo, Singhalese are 25%, a minority. In wellawatta, 90% are tamils and it was called small Jaffna in the last 50yrs. what does this show you? If tamils, want a separate piece, then muslims, malay’s, tea estate tamils, Chinese are all entitled to separate pieces because Tamils are not exceptional and neither are they considered pink purple jellyfish! This is their ego talking because Jaffna tamil always thought he was a super class and singhalayas are modayas. But the modays went to defeat the tamil LTTE which created the biggest blood bath in the history of our little nation. Tamils don’t talk equal rights of the burgers, malays, muslims. Why is that? They are not considered in their psyche. Don’t they be entitled for self determination? Tamils always thought of them selves and again even after the blood bath, they are talking about them as the main focus. What a sad situation. Did the Jaffna tamil talk about the tea estate tamil? No, never until a leader among those poor people in the likes of thondamen came forward. This shows the cast minded ness of these people.

    If tamils get north and east, does it mean we chase all the tamils in the other areas to north and east? How can this be humane or practical? Many tamils in these areas are married to Singhalese, burgers and muslims. Think man, don’t just go on retoric

  77. So are you saying the entirety of the Northern and Eastern provinces within their borders defined by the British have been exclusively occupied and ruled by Tamils since pre-historic times? That there were no Sinhalese or Sinhalese kingdoms in these areas since pre historic times? That the large number of archaeolical sites built in the unique Sinhala style found in Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa with Pali inscriptions are the work of Tamils who occupied these areas since pre-historic times?

    The tamil spoken in Jaffna may be a little different to the Tamil spoken in India but they still understand each other dont they? They still dance the Bharatha Natyam, listen to Carnatic music, Eat Thosai, wear the same sari and verti etc. etc. so It wouldn be unreasonable to say the cultures have not evolved separately for very long. Not compare the same with Sinhalese language, dance, music, dress and cuisine and you see a separate evolution from Indian culture for a much longer time.

    The 1920 census shows that the Vanni and interior of the Eastern Province did not even contain 1% of the island’s population at the beginning of this century. So how is it fair when Tamils claim all these lands? They would then control four times as much land per capit as the Sinhalese. This is the underlying reason why Tamil Nationalists need to rewrite history disregarding all archaeological and epigraphic evidence to the contrary.

    If the Tamil struggle was for equality and a fair solution they would not be claiming 4 times as much land as they are prepared to yield to the Sinhalese. They would not claim all Sri Lanka’s thinly populated areas (which incidently contained the remnant populations of their original sinhala inhabitants – the puranagam even at the beginning of this century) as their own.

    Personally, I believe Tamils have an equal claim to the land regardless of their history. But only an equal claim. I also support self determination for the Tamils within that proportionately sized piece of territory. I however dont support their falsification of history in order to grab a much larger share of the island.

  78. But Vedda,

    What do we do with the Sinhalese and Tamils who are of mixed Vedda ancestry? And how will you prove yourself as a pure Native Vedda so we can leave the whole island to you? Can you at least give us a post in the Vedda language?

  79. What is undeniable is that the Northern and Eastern provinces have been almost exclusively Tamil-speaking areas for 700-800 years at the very least.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but it certainly was not the case and there is plenty of evidence to prove it. Perhaps th Jaffna peninsula and the narrow bit of coastal land to Mannar Island was more or less Tamil in the last 700 years with a few brief interludes of Sinhala rule during Parakramabahu VI reign. Read Indrapala on the Sinhala history of Jaffna if you want to know more. By no means was the rest exclusively Taml at any point as it was part of the Kandian kingdom and Ruhunu kingdom before that. Trincomalee and Batticaloa was captured by the Portugese from the Sinhalese. Trinco was then liberated by the Sinhalese. Robert Knox came ashore in Tampalagamuwa, Trinco and was conveyed to Kandy. When the Dutch admiral landed in Batticaloa it was part of the Kandian Kingdom, he was conveyed to Kandy. 300 Sinhalese archaeological sites in the EP alone. Most place names are Tamil corruptions of Sinhala place names. The interior was sparsely populated by Sinhalese in remnant villages.

    “From a pragmatic point I too dont see why any Sinhalese should oppose… as long as land can be equalised between the two communities. But the Tamils dont want that. And that is why this is not a struggle for equality. Instead, its plain to all that it is a vain struggle for supremacy.

  80. To all who are arguing about the comment on ‘prehistoric’ Tamil occupation:

    1. what is the point arguing about this past now?

    2. what is important at present times/post war?

    3. From the minute knowledge of history I have, I believe that there were natives, living in this island, before more civilized immigrants arrived.

    4. I’m copying from the original text by Robert Knox, 1681.

    About 1/4th of the island, there are Malabars(Tamils), that are free Denizens (Dictionary – a person admitted to residence in a foreign country; especially : an alien admitted to rights of citizenship).

    There are also moors(descendants partly of Arab settlers and partly of south Indians who had embraced islam, who are like strangers and hold no land, but live by carrying goods to the sea port.

    Of the natives there be wild and tame. Wild men are called Veddahs (hunters).They speak the Chigulayas language. Some tamer kind of natives are in kind of subjugation to the king.

    Vijaya was the founding father of the Aryan speech. Who migrated with his followers from Sinhapura in the Lala country (now identified with Lata in Gujarat region)

    Waves of immigrants came also from East Bengal. Dravidians from south India too formed large groups among the earliest colonies.

    ………………………….

    I’m not an expert in history but I’m learning by reading. May be an expert can comment on the above texts.

  81. Not knaves, not fools but perhaps a little greedy? To demand 33% of the landmass and 75% of the coastline for just 12% of the population in the overcrowded little island?

  82. Yogesh,

    I cannot but agree with you. Let us equalise per capita land entitlement. Which would mean two separate Tamil states. One for NP Tamils around Jaffna and another for EP Tamils around Batticaloa. We then do not have to fight over history or over one community grabbing more resources and power. To my mind it is the only possible, viable, just and equitable solution. I wonder though if Judge Vigneswaran will agree.

  83. Excellent interview, thanks DBS J for publishing here, given an opportunity to learn some history. Not only an intelligent, Hon. Retd. Judge W should also be a brave man to provide such a candid and forth right interview.

    The effort Sir P A had put into make the 1921 constitution the way Sinhala leaders wanted, which had eventually granted territorial representation as requested by Sinhala leaders was not appreciated even then except being given a seat for Tamils in Colombo. Even that allocation was denied by others who followed. The implicit trust Sir P A had in the leaders had been breached. The cheating had precedence of about 100 years now, and no doubt it will continue in the pretext of suspicion: “little now, more later” as someone said here. What else you have to take a cover of?. We all know what would be the consequence of a husband suspecting his wife of infidelity or vice versa. Most likely out comes are divorce, suicide, homicide or unhappy family life – torture, incommunicado, house arrest, etc.- until one’s life ends. Unfortunately, this is where we Tamils heading to in the name of democracy under majory’s rule. They knew Self-determination is not about separating the country but the minority complex of this majority or simply put it, the suspicion, will not allow what is best for this country.

    Comes to trust, it is very contrasting in these 100 years, it was implicit, the Tamils leaders have had on Sinhala leaders then, but now it is mistrust (or suspicion) current leaders have on Tamils. The current plight of Tamils is well described by these two trusts. As Judge sounds, I am very sceptical about finding a lasting solution. I am not sure how long can these extremists go on blaming VP, Tamils Diaspora, etc. for a problem they had created. The real attitude of Sinhala politicians in terms of their commitments towards solving this problem come to light when LTTE is no more. MR in particular had commissioned and held an all parties conference, while LTTE was talking to GoSL through Norwegian mediation, but dropped those recommendations completely. Now, comes down to Parliamentary select committee, not sure who would trust who.

    Good to see some have started thinking that a solution is necessary but the inborn suspicion does not let them to go down that path and support for it.

  84. Gulam Jones & Nicholas,

    Please understand the good retired judge can have his own opinion. Yes he is living in Sri Lanka and served too. I respect him for being honest and open about his views.

    However Dr. R. Narendran too have an opinion differing from you all. I respect his views too. It takes a mahathma to rise above human nature. I respect Dr. RN’s views mostly because he speaks after being in the north post war and living with the IDPs immediately post war.

    However, I do not know if the good judge had ever been to IDP camps or lived in N&E during post war. If not his views sounds like an resounding gong.

  85. Human migration has taken place since the creation of man. So people came to Sri Lanka from many countries. Similarly did not the ancestors of the Sinhalese come from India? As all of us have made this country our homeland let us find ways of respecting each others rights and try to live in unity and peace.

  86. Hi TWK,

    “No Sinhala speakers are living there at present (except the military).” That’s because LTTE systematically eradicated them. And it may have happened in the past (Centuries ago) as well. If you go to a government office in North or East, almost all of them speak only Tamil. What do you mean by self determination anyway? Are the politicians are not Tamil? Are the government officers are not Tamils most of the times? I don’t know where you from, as far as I have seen, all this trouble is politics, nothing to do with common people, cause all they want is a good day to day life. they don’t mind who is who or which race others are, as far as they can live peacefully. Politicians bring the trouble in to the community for their own gain. Human beings are so easily distracted by the race card, Hitler knew it, and so do the today’s politicians. If you wanna solve any “issue” leave alone the innocent people and they will get together easily, as long as nobody tries to stir any hatred among the people.

    Regards,

  87. dilshanf,

    “As long as people think of themselves as tamils and sinhalese there can be no end to this conflict”

    I agree with you mate, trouble is most politicians, so called educated and some media pundits do think this way, not the majority of people though.

    Regards,

  88. dingiri says:

    “What do we do with the Sinhalese and Tamils who are of mixed Vedda ancestry?”

    Are they really? If they too behave like the self destructive Tamils and Sinhalese they are free to join you.

    “And how will you prove yourself as a pure Native Vedda so we can leave the whole island to you?”

    You don’t have to leave the whole island to me. Please give that back to my people. Dear dingiri you have not heard of DNA analysis or genetic analysis.

    “Can you at least give us a post in the Vedda language?”

    First you learn Vedda language and then we can discuss about the posts. We are not corrupt yet therefore you may have to prove yourself worthy of posts you want to occupy.

    Why don’t you apply for the post of Alugosuwa (hangman) with prison department? Once you learn the ropes of the trade your service will be sought after in many countries where capital punishment is still part of their penal system.

    You can be a visiting hangman in the whole of Asia where there is great prospects for lynching.

  89. Kota

    “So what will u do if v do not vacate ur so called ancestral lands?. Blog more vigharously in net?”

    We will do nothing, the way things are we don’t need to do anything, you stupid self destructive Tamils and Sinhalese are doing it for us. We will just sit back and watch you destroy yourself.

    You say:

    “LTTE tried to vacate us with the same excuse n look they do not even exist.”

    That is exactly what will happen to you stupit Tamils and Sinhalese. Your self destruction is the key to our success. As time goes by I can see your self destruction frequency speeding up and exceeds 10 on the Richter Magnitude Scale.

    Good luck

  90. Ivor says:

    “If tamils get north and east, does it mean we chase all the tamils in the other areas to north and east?”

    You have been chasing, killing, raping, burning the Tamils since 1956. the Tamils went back to the north east for their safety and security. It did not stop there you pursued the Tamils to the North East and chase them to the south. I am sure this will not end today. Further, you made hard working up cpountry Tamils stateless and then deported them as Kallathonies since 1948.

    If they feel that they are part of the people of North East and want to manage their affairs themselves then what is your problem. The Sinhalese have the rest of the country to themselves.

    I have to emphasise that as the original inhabitant of the island we do not have any say whatsoevr in the affairs of the island.

    The best solution is to pack you both Tamils and Sinhalese to India.

  91. Ivor: Honestly I do not understand the point your making except the same old excuses like many Tamils are living out side, so what to do and so on. Do you want to have a referendum for the Tamils who are living outside to find out what they are after or so?. You are talking about 65% of Tamils live out side and well respected and blah blah, do you realise the comments you are making is for an interview given by a person who none other than one who included in the 65%. What is his view on this issue?

    Tamils are in Colombo, because of the very reason that the total power is lumped on the central; one has to go to Colombo for almost every thing; high court, ministries, parliament, airport, high commissions and embassies, 4th cross street, fish markets, port, universities, you name it. You relocate these to Matara, Tamils will be there too. Or, you shift them to Jaffna, I am sure most of Sinhalese will be there. A person who lives in Anuradhapura can come and do things and return home same day, but for Jaffna man, given Jaffna being located at the far end, it is not simply possible to commute daily. Despite the harassments in their own homes by Police on the name of random checking, surveillance, etc, they live there for their own reasons. Will do so, until next time the goons go with electoral register and laterally evict them. So you are making up something to defeat your own argument here. I know you might say Tamils live there in Colombo and other area because of the LTTE threat. I do not dismiss that, but LTTE’s threat was a recent one, read the history, even this article touches a little bit, that is, Tamils were predominantly living in Colombo even before independence and represented Colombo.

    The proposition that Muslims, estate Tamils, Malay and Chinese would also demand for separate piece of land is a phoney excuse, you know that. I knew the caste system within Tamil community has been giving lots of grief and head ache for people like you than those who’ve affected.

    “If tamils get north and east, does it mean we chase all the tamils in the other areas to north and east? How can this be humane or practical? Many tamils in these areas are married to Singhalese, burgers and muslims. Think man, don’t just go on rhetoric”
    Did not your fellows do this in July 1983, even before the N-E merger? How come it became humanely practical then? Maybe you are referring to chasing by foot not by ships.

  92. Aia says:
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    December 21, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Ivor: Honestly I do not understand the point your making except the same old excuses like many Tamils are living out side, so what to do and so on. Do you want to have a referendum for the Tamils who are living outside to find out what they are after or so?. You are talking about 65% of Tamils live out side and well respected and blah blah, do you realise the comments you are making is for an interview given by a person who none other than one who included in the 65%. What is his view on this issue?

    Tamils are in Colombo, because of the very reason that the total power is lumped on the central; one has to go to Colombo for almost every thing; high court, ministries, parliament, airport, high commissions and embassies, 4th cross street, fish markets, port, universities, you name it. You relocate these to Matara, Tamils will be there too. Or, you shift them to Jaffna, I am sure most of Sinhalese will be there. A person who lives in Anuradhapura can come and do things and return home same day, but for Jaffna man, given Jaffna being located at the far end, it is not simply possible to commute daily. Despite the harassments in their own homes by Police on the name of random checking, surveillance, etc, they live there for their own reasons. Will do so, until next time the goons go with electoral register and laterally evict them. So you are making up something to defeat your own argument here. I know you might say Tamils live there in Colombo and other area because of the LTTE threat. I do not dismiss that, but LTTE’s threat was a recent one, read the history, even this article touches a little bit, that is, Tamils were predominantly living in Colombo even before independence and represented Colombo.

    The proposition that Muslims, estate Tamils, Malay and Chinese would also demand for separate piece of land is a phoney excuse, you know that. I knew the caste system within Tamil community has been giving lots of grief and head ache for people like you than those who’ve affected.

    “If tamils get north and east, does it mean we chase all the tamils in the other areas to north and east? How can this be humane or practical? Many tamils in these areas are married to Singhalese, burgers and muslims. Think man, don’t just go on rhetoric”
    Did not your fellows do this in July 1983, even before the N-E merger? How come it became humanely practical then? Maybe you are referring to chasing by foot not by ships.

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  93. dingiri says:

    “To demand 33% of the landmass and 75% of the coastline for just 12% of the population in the overcrowded little island?”

    I agree, therefore both the Sinhalese and Tamils need to wisen up and go back to India where you will find your original homeland, nationhood, country, history, culture, religion, aryan race, dravidian race, etc.

    Dingri

    Once you have left the island we will have the 100% our land, 100% coastline, 100% forests, 100% game, 100 honey, 100% fihing rights, 100% clean environment, we don’t have to rely on 100% imports of everthing, ………….etc.

    Then there won’t be any false claims to our land, sea and air. Manufactured identity does not give you the right to own the island. Please go back to India and find your roots.

    Sooner you leave the isalnd it better for all ou us.

    How soon can you leave? Please remember to take your stupid Tamils with you.

  94. Freedom first!

    Right now – divided as we are how can we ever be free?

    We dont know who were here first….. what is important is that there was integration at some points in our history and also disintegration at other times.

    we simply need to look again at our history – learn the art of collaboration and build a new nation. sinhala and tamil talk will get us nowhere.

    we got the royal brides from madura to start with and ended up by getting our last kings from the same place. this is how people collborated then

    nowadays theer is too much ‘learning’

  95. LKsword

    I work in a Colombo firm in Colpetty. If you come there during lunch break you can massage my feet and those of my girl colleagues. All of us have fair and lovely feet with dainty toes.

    We will let you kiss our feet as payment for your services

  96. It is fair you have 2/3 of the country and the 1/3 of the coast line = We have 1/3 of the country and the 2/3 of the coast line.

    Equal rights you know? It is not our problem you increased 75% population like ‘pigs’.

    Or leave us we can have Equal country and show you how to treat Equal citizens not like you since 1958
    or what you have done to non-native tamils in1948.You cannot decide our future.

  97. Mahesh had sought my comments re: Justice Wigneswran’s interview. Many comments both negetive and postive have followed this comment, including the comment that I will not comment. I agree with the remarks of Justice Wigneswaran, except the ones on the so-called Tamil question. I am sure Mahesh sought my response particularly with reference to this subject.

    Justice Wigneswaarn’s remarks are based on a history that has become irrelevant under current circumstances and ignore the imbalances in the majority-minority equation at independence. Dealing with the second first, of course briefly, the Tamil domination in the professions, government services, unversities – both as teachers and students, the mercantile sector and even the plantation sector, was disproportionate to their population numbers and in fact was skewed very much in favour of some sections of Jaffna Tamils. The balance had to eventually correct itself in favour of the Sinhalese. This was a political issue the Sinhala politicians had to address. However, unfortunately, cheap and opportunistic politics dictated the time frame for correction. What was the result of accidents in history and the nature of colonial rule, were perceived as those deliberately favouring the Tamils. This line of thinking found favour among the Sinhala masses. The Tamil responses in turn were unwise and short sighted and created a vicious cycle that ended in Nanthikadal, with unforeseen consequences for the Tamils. Justice Wigneswaran, has failed to deal with why changes in favour of the Sinhalese were necessary in post-independence Ceylon/ Sri Lanka, while mentioning the unsavoury manner in which these changes were brought about.

    The solutions to the probelms of the people in the north and east lie with identifying and defining anew the problems. The problems now are radically different to those prevailing at the begining of Tamil militancy and the subsequent Tamil terrorism. The Tamils post-war and post-migrations, are a different people, in terms of their numbers and needs. Justice Wigneswaran has once again failed to deal with the new realities and the need for new approaches. He has not dealt with issues such as whether the Tamils have the capacity- human resource-wise and economy-wise -for the self rule he talks about. He also fails to take into account the dimensions, severity, sophistications and passion with which the last war wass fought, when he talks of the issue of militarization. It was a do or die battle for Tamil Eelam and Sri Lanka as an undivided state. It was against all odds that the the Sri Lankan armed forces prevailed. In these circumstances, is it reasonable to expect demilitarization or a scaling down of the military presence within two and a half years? He also fails to take into account the heavy toll the final war and the preceding years have taken on the people,the culture, the economy and the land itself. Only the central government has the capacity and capability to deal with the magnitude of the problem in its many dimensions. The situation in the north and east is not much different from that of Germany after the second world war. The allied military presence is yet there in Germany and it is American-led allied administration (largely military) that put Germany back on its feet.

    While civilian control is desirable, is it possible under current circumstances ? I find the Tamil bureucracy an impediment to progres at the present point in time. Most have served the interests of the LTTE and followed its dicdats for a very long time. They have also been isolated for too long from currents and developments in the country and world at large. Ínterim Councils’of technocrats and senior bureucrats to manange the north and east, would have been the best solution, after the war. Unfortunately, the government missed this opportunity to establish its bonafides.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  98. Narendran

    Your view of Germany following the second world war is not a example that can be justifiably accepted in view of the following facts:-

    1)Germany under Hitler and his fascist Nazi Party justified racial superiority and expansion of territorial gain and invaded neighbouring countries whereas the Tamils in Lanka never envisaged any expansion of territory at the expense of the majority community in the island nor did they indulge in any illusions about their racial superiority.

    2)If the Tamils populated territory perceived as belonging to the Sinhalese it was as a result of the of British conquest of the island and the consequences of the political and economic changes that followed in the context of the administrative unification of the island and the divide and rule policy employed to ensure the surrender and subserviance of the native population for the economic exploitation by the British colonisers.

    3)Your contention about the majority minority imbalances at the point of independence is unacceptable because if you had taken the trouble to consider facts and statistics without falling for the oft repeated lies and propaganda of the racist majoritarian view point it would be otherwise.

    4)As for the militarisation and occupation of the North & East of the country and your point about Justice Wigneswaran’s failure to address the new realities and the need for new approaches, why are you ignoring the the responsibility of the government now in power to take meaniful measures towards reconciliation by not resorting to vain glory triumphalism and cheap opportunistic politics in the time frame as it exists today taking into account the reasons that played to defeat the LTTE and enter into a honest dialogue with the elected represetaives of the Tamil people.

    After all unlike the Germans who invaded Europe the Tamils in Lanka did not invade the adjoining territory occupied by the Sinhalese and that is what the LTTE did saying that it is doing so on behalf of the Tamil people while keeping them as hostages and slaves with the gun pointed on their heads.

    The LTTE met it’s well deserved end in NanthiKadal thanks to the Lankan defence forces.But has peace been really achieved in the island country?
    Are the Tamils free from their anxieties and have their justifiable grievances been adequately addressed for them to rest assured as equal citizens with their Sinhalese co-habitees in the island?

    5) Your argument for the presence of the American led military in Germany today as a justification for the presence of the Lankan military occupation of the North & East is imbalanced and skewed because the Americans and NATO are in Germany not because there will be a return of Hitler’s Nazi fascism but because of other prevailing compulsions in the preservation of Wetern interests.

    6) Your reasoning that the Tamil bureaucracy is an impediment to progress at the persent time may be true but can you vouch for the fact that it’s opposite in the Island’s South is above board and not prone to racial bias having served the dictates of such similar interests especially if you have had the experience to deal with any of the Sinhala Only bureaucrat in the Land Registry,the Pensions Branch or the Registrar of Births and Death offices or the local Grama Sevaka in the suburbs of Colombo city etc,.etc.

  99. He also has said the reasons that led to the war or armed conflict remains in the ground and if it is not addressed it will again resurface. What do you have to say about that.

    In India also the Bramins were perceived to be dominating in all spheres of the governance. Their number was restricted, through reservation.

    Reservation is there in America also for the Blacks, I heard.

    But the same reservation does not put the Bramins under severe disadvantage now.

    Because they can pursue the Engineering, Law, and Chartered Accountancy where the effects of reservation is less or almost not there.

    A Number of private engineering colleges have been opened and if the average Bramin boy can afford to pay the fees he can still pursue engineering. If he is not able to afford then the banks give loans to him to pursue the higher education.

    In Law he can pursue in post. Also Chartered Accountancy can be done by anyone and no reservation is there in that discipline.

    Why didn’t your people take India as an example and do this.

    They wanted to whip up the passions of the masses and garner votes.

    The sin of killing these number of Tamils and ruining their lives and also the lives of Sinhalese lie in their hands.

    You conveniently skirt the issue of the recalcitrant monks. In India no saint worth his name can enter into the political arena and when few of them tried the masses rejected them.

    That happens because may be Budhism has long dabbled with politics. And because of this the blood is also in the hands of the clergy.

    Can you comment on these issues also with straight thinking. can you comment on these things also without betraying your conscience.

  100. Uthungan,

    Thanks for your objective comments. I was born in 1946 and have witnessed the political evolution/degeneration in Sri Lanka for a long time. There is no need for me to be influenced by any false propaganda. I grew up in the post-independence period, when the Tamil domination in the sectors I had mentioned was glaringly visible. This was also true of the time I was an undergraduate. Things began to change during the Sirimavo Bandaranaike government and accelarated thereafter. In an independent and democratic Sri Lanka, where the majority Sinhala people would have the control of government, there was no doubt they would eventually come to dominate public life. This was inevitable, right and would have happened without inflicting any traumatic shock on the Tamils, if permitted to take its normal course.

    Unfortunately, politics for what it stands for in countries such as Sri Lanka and the Sinhala nationalism that raised its head in a virulent form, dictated that unwise,brutal, callous and short sighted measures be taken to drastically correct the balance in favour of the majority. Tamil reactions and Sinhala recations to these reactions followed and we are where we are now. A virulent Sinhala nationalism gave birth to an equally virulent Tamil nationalism and blinded both peoples to the consquences and the inherent immorality.

    The virtual banishment of American missionaries by the Colonial British Governor to the north, helped develop an excellent educational network in Jaffna that catered to colonial needs. This paved the way for the domination of sections of Jaffna Tamils in public life not only in Sri Lanka, but also in countries like Malaya (now Malayasia).
    This accident of history was portrayed as divide and rule, and colonial favouritism towards a minority by Sinhala politicians engaged in a battle for political power. The Tamils had also assumed that it was their divine right to continue with the staus quo.

    Unfortunately, Tamils did have the wise leadership required to navigate the stormy waters. This situation continues to this day.

    The German example I cited is relevant only with regard to the allied occupation, subsequent re-building and investments, and the continued presence of allied forces on German soil. We also should not forget the LTTE, fought the last war in particular on behalf of the Tamils, as a Tamil army representing the defacto state of Eelam. It was in concept and rhetoric a war between a Sinhala army and Tamil army, in which the Tamil army lost. To claim otherwise now would be hypocricy of the worst type.

    Despite colonial unification of Sri Lanka as one state, that is the reality that we accepted through the Soulbury constitution at independence. The reality of a single Sri Lankan state within the island is a reality,we have to whole heartedly accept now, regardless of the fact that the Soulbury Constitution has been almost totally superceded. Even the Soulbury constitution was an imposition, considering the stand taken- however erroneous- by the leading Tamil formation of the day headed by G.G.Ponnambalam. He however chose to co-habit with the govenment of the day, rather wisely. We as a people benefitted from this co-habitation. Once GGP ceased to be acknowledged leader of the Tamils, the politics of emotionalism and confrontation became a reality and habit, much to the detriment of the Tamils and Sri Lanka as a whole.

    The bureucracy as it functions in the south is far better now and is definitely better than that in the north. Considering the circumstances in the north and east, we definitely need a bureucracy that is responsive and sympathetic and attuned to the needs of the people. The bureucracy as operative now, finds every excuse possible not to solve problems and is absolutely insensitive to the plight of the people.

    Further, despite what you call vainglory triumphalsm and cheap opportunistic politics, the government is doing much to address the problems in the north and east rather effectively. I have seen this with my own eyes and appreciate it much. However, the problem is one of perceptions. What the government thinks it should do to bring about reconciliation and development is quite from what the so-called Tamil leaders think should be the priorities. I for one, having seen the devastation in the north and east and the human tragedy, am convinced the TNA is on the wrong path and is out of synch with reality.

    Dr. Rajasingham Narendran

  101. Mahesh,

    The reasons that led to the war, have been rendered irrelevant by the war, the way it ended and the aftermath. This is the point I want to make and which I think Justice Wigneswaran missed. Present circumstances have created a different set of problems involving the very survival of a people. Most of the old grievances/ problems relating to education, jobs, language rights, etc, have been rendered irrelvant by the passage of time and the devastation brought about by the Tamil militancy and the last war. There is a need for us attain the minimum standards required for reasonable life as humans, become Tamils in the true sense of the word and become productive and prosperous. We have to also integrate into Sri Lanka in every possible way. The rights we demand must be not as Tamils, but as fully fledged citizens of Sri Lanka. This way has not been tried before and I think the time is ripe for us to try it.

    I agree the Sinhala grievances, though legitimate, were solved in a very wrong and brutal manner my the GOSLs of the past and at the expense of the Tamils. That is however history now. I am not denying the past. But I think it should not dictate our future, because the circomstances have drastically changed.

    A new way has to be found to deal with the present and future. That is my position and the path I advocate is based on this proposition.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  102. Mahesh,

    The recalcitrant monks and extremists on both sides are not only a problem for the Tamils but for the government too. In my opinion the present government is trying solve problems quietly and on the bais of a development strategy. Any other recourse, as demanded by the TNA and some in the Diaspora will upset the apple cart, as many times in the past. We have to also recognise that the government has to carry the Sinhala people with it and insulate them from the posturing by extremists including the monks you describe as recalcitrant.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  103. While I have to agree with you that the problem at the present has to be addressed more urgently, I would also say that the reasons which lead to the civil war should also be addressed. Otherwise it may resurface as the Judge Wigneswaran said.

    But I don’t understand your following words. Can you elaborate on that

    ‘I agree the Sinhala grievances, though legitimate, were solved in a very wrong and brutal manner my the GOSLs of the past and at the expense of the Tamils. That is however history now. I am not denying the past. But I think it should not dictate our future, because the circomstances have drastically changed’.

  104. Narendran

    I too am also a citizen of the island like you and I too see what goes on.
    But I have my own misgivings about your perception that the bureucracy in the south is better.
    I have no interests in the the north or the east of the island for that matter and when I mention about the bureaucracy in the South I speak from experience.You may have the right contacts to get your job done to speak from your own experience and I do not grudge that.So let us leave it at that now.

    Besides, if it is your belief that that Tamils had the American missionaries on their side for their education and outlook and advancement when the British ruled the island why are you forgetting the fact that Americans like Col.Olcott and others played no mean role in establishing foremost educational institutions like Ananda College and Museas College in Colombo for the benefit of the Sinhalese Buddhists. Then there many Anglican and Catholic schools and colleges which the were set up.There are other Christian denominations like the Methodhists who set up schools in the South.If you take the trouble to dispassionately count the number you will find that the Christian missionaries have done more in the field of edcation in the South more than the North.

    Apart from that would you deny that it was the British colonialists who imposed the Soulury Constitution who played an important role in the development of the island by introduction of the railways,road transport and the tea and rubber industry which even today plays no mean role in the wealth generation and the advancement of the South rather than the North?

    If the Tamils ventured East in the past to Malaysia, Singapore,Burma and other countries to seek their fortune and the Sinhalse did not, why should any blame be attached to them for their enterprise and hard work and others feel jealous.Who prevented them from doing so?

    If the Tamils have chosen to venture West now following their bitter experiences following the decades post 1956 era why fault them.

    But if sections in Tamil diaspora are bitter about their experiences and resort to misguided actions it is the government’s responsibility provided it has the willingness and sagacity to deal with the situation in a mature and sensible manner by treating the Tamils who have chosen to remain home as equals and address their legitimate grievances and thereby take the wind out of the sail of the diaspora propaganda.

    Finally if you believe that the PTA which now includes features of the Emergency Regulations and the Business Appropriations laws are good for the country let me wish you good luck and end this dialogue.

  105. ‘It was in concept and rhetoric a war between a Sinhala army and Tamil army’.

    By your words may we come to the conclusion that there are two nations there in Sri Lanka. One Sinhala nation and the other Tamil EElam nation.

    That is the reason that two armies one sinhala and the other one of the tamils fought the war on behalf of their nations.

    When two nations are there how can they co exist in an Unitary constitution. Will not an United constitution suit them well.

    Please give a reply from your heart. Please don’t talk about todays condition and say we have to forgo certain things since we lost the war or we are a minority etc. I need a candid response for this. No hiding behind the current condition of the Tamils and also asking to leave behind all your identities and merge your self with the Sinhalese identity.

    Few people like LK, DD, Karuna could do that. Not all the TAmils could do that and that was the reason the war was fought.

    Please tell whether those were the reasons which lead to the war in the first place. Also I would like to tell you that the colonization is not the answer for these things.

    Tell how this problem can be solved once and for all.

    Sri Lanka is not a genuine democracy. It is only a majoritarian state.

    With this proportional representation like constitution the Tamils are doomed to be second class citizens for all time.

    What do you have to say about this.

    If you say that LK was acceptable to the Sinhalese, then he was not acceptable to the Tamils. He more or less became a Sinhala himself.

    Don’t prescribe the method whereby you have to change your backbone. You cannot change your constitution as a race or ethnic group.

    How do you adjust with a Unitary constitution with this kind of ethnic constitution.

    Please tell me this Sir.

  106. Dear Uthungan,

    Firstly, let me assure you that as a matter of principle I do not seek help relating to me personally from those you refer to as ‘contacts’.

    Secondly, comparing the role of American missionaries in Jaffna with those of the likes of Col.Olcott, is like comparing the ocean with a rivulent. The funds and missionaries the American mission could garner were far in excess of Col.Olcott’s. Col.Olcott and his efforts can be compared to those of Arumuga Navalar and Sir.P.Ramanathan in Jaffna. The concentration of good schools in Jaffna was a boon the south definitely did not enjoy. It should also be acknowledged that Jaffna welcomed and hence benefitted much more from the educational facilities available than the South.

    Thirdly, the educated Tamils, from a crowded peninsula with limited opportunities sought jobs elsewhere in Sri Lanka and Malaya. This was natural and was not a fault.

    However, what has to be acknowledged is that in the context of the evolving communal divide in a newly independent Sri Lanka, the lopsided advantages sections of Jaffna Tamils enjoyed were portrayed by Sinhala politicians as a colonial injustice visited on the Sinhala people. There was also a rise in Sinhala conciousness that demanded a more dominant role for the Sinhalese in national affairs. The Sinhala politicians had to respond to this demand. However, instead of improving the number and quality of schools, expamding the number of universities and expanding employment opportunities in the south, the Sinahla politicians took the short cut of robbing Peter to pay Paul. The disadvantages the Sinhalese had also applied to the Vanni and the east. Given the time and opportunities, the disadvantaged Sinhalese and Tamils would have found their legitimate and commisurate place in numbers and distribution. The politicians in their thirst for political power, took short cuts, raising the ire of affected Tamils.

    Unfortunately, the Tamil leadership was stupid not to read the writing on the fall and tell the Tamils who enjoyed the larger slice of the national pie, that their share will shrink sooner or later, and their thinking and modus-operandi for economic success had to change. Instead they tread the path of demanding the status quo be maintained. This was impossible and unsustainable.

    The result of these mistakes are what has brought us to where we are now. What is the solution in the new circumstances and the new and more accomodative political climate in the post-war scenario?

    Dr.rajasingham Narendran

    The Hindu Board competed with the missionaries to set up Hindu schools modeled after the missionary schools. This further contributed to the quality of schhols in Jaffna

  107. Dear Uthungan

    why are you forgetting the fact that Americans like Col.Olcott and others played no mean role in establishing foremost educational institutions like Ananda College and Museas College in Colombo for the benefit of the Sinhalese Buddhists.

    The Jesuits had the resources of an organised global church at their disposal. Olcott more or less had whatever he could scrape from the Sinhalese. Could you kindly share with us the names of Americans other than Olcott who developed Buddhist educational institutions?

    Then there many Anglican and Catholic schools and colleges which the were set up.

    You are missing one key detail. The Jesuit institutions in Jaffna taught Tamil and English side by side. The education system in the south either taught English for the elites OR Sinhala for the rest. The result was that by independence, the Sinhala society had an incredible division between the English-speakers and Sinhala-speakers that simply did not exist among the Tamils (which explains why most Tamils do not understand the origins or mindset of Sinhala nationalism). SWRD himself could not read or write Sinhala because he was a product of this system, yet ironically the so-called “revolution” that he launched in 1956 was primarily directed against the English-speaking elite. It was only when the Tamil leaders protested Sinhala-Only and developed their own majoritarianist solution of “federalism” that Sinhala nationalism took a directly anti-Tamil turn.

    The old elite unlike the Tamil leaders did not have a mass following to compete politically, but they made their move with a failed coup plot in the early 1960s. Although there was a sprinkling of Buddhist and even Tamil involvement in that plot, it was overwhelmingly a Catholic/Christian, English-speaking “Sinhala” conspiracy that led to a Buddhist backlash under Mrs. B. The army became “Buddhisticised” and the rest is history.

  108. Mahesh,

    How do you draw the conclusion of the existence of two nations from what had described as existing in concept and rhetoric? The LTTE were great at creating illusions and the TNA was both a willing partner.

    Please visit Sri Lanka and be my guest for a week to see the north and east, and the rest of Sri Lanka. We can there after discuss the issues you have raised.

    As a well wisher of the Tamils in Sri Lanka, you have to see the ground realities here.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  109. The Sri Lankan army has nearly 99.999 percent Sinhalese and the Tamils are not represented in the army and also in the civil services in good numbers. Please don’t say that this much numbers are Tamils and quote some tamil officer in the army, navy and air force. Their numbers are miniscule. You cannot say from that statistics that the Tamils are represented at all, for all practical purposes.

    Even recently when they had to recruit for the civil services no Tamil was selected. Please don’t say that there was no Tamil who was qualified to be taken into the services.

    In the Tamil areas you cannot give the complaint in Tamil in the police stations. The same could be the case with the Govt agent and other offices.

    When the Tamils were not represented in the armed forces in adequate numbers can we not conclude that it was a Sinhala army. and the sinhala army and the tamil army fought a war as you rightly said, (didn’t you).

    The sinhala army had also dropped bombs from the air and shelled the civilian areas umpteen number of times.

    Can we not conclude from these that there are two nations in the island and therefore may be United constitution could be ideal for the island.

    Can you give your opinion on the United and the Unitary model. The Tamil masses want the United model but the Sinhalese want the Unitary model.

    This Unitary model tramples the Tamil Nation with a jack boot, isn’t it the feeling among the tamils there.

    If not why this civil war for this long years and also the political struggle preceding the eruption of the war.

    Just because one has lost the war we cannot conclude that there is no justice in their views. Their methods may be wrong. I condemn terrorism. But isn’t it the State which drove them to take the arms with its long established practice of tearing the agreements reached with the political leaders.

    You invited me. That is so good of you. I also wish that the Govt invite the international observers to come into the island and see the facts for themselves.

    For the lasting peace in the island and for the safety and the security of the Tamils some iron tight arrangement has to be done. The Tamils cannot be left at the mercy of Sinhalese.

    While the majority of the Sinhalese may be good the few extremist one’s including the clergy put pressure and also brainwash the masses and exacerbate the problems.

    They don’t want to solve the problem politically.

    This jingoistic feeling has to be dealt with for the lasting peace of the Tamils.

  110. Mahesh,

    There was a time Anton Muthukumaru, a Tamil was an army commander. Rajan Kathirgamar was the commender of thenavy at one time. Rudra Rajasingam, was the IGP at one time. I knew of a time many Tamils served in various positions in the armed forces and the police.

    Unfortunately, the rise of Sinhala and Tamil nationalism, the accompanying jingoism, the military coup Wije refers to below and the rise of Tamil militancy, put an end to all this. What happened in Sri Lanka was a snowballing of negetive trends that assumed a critical mass to cause much damage to the country and its people. The Tamils were not less jingoistic or triumphalist than the Sinhalese on many occasions.

    The snowball crashed at Nanthikadal and there is a moment in history now to learn our lessons and prevent this happening again. Further, I believe that new solutions have to be sought under the new circumstances. The old medicines and old prescriptions will not work anymore. Reciting old mantras will not serve a purpose now.

    This is my message to all the people in Sri Lanka, including the Tamils.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  111. Uthungan,

    I am glad you are mentioning issues that concern all citizens of Sri Lanka. There are many things yet wrong in Sri Lanka and most things went wrong because of political blunders that led to the JVP and LTTE phenomenon. JRJ was a symptom of the times and institutionalized many unwarranted features in our constitution. We are paying a price for this yet. Having been a life long student both past and evolving history, I feel we are going through a phase now that will lead to more democratization and re-establisghment of the rule of law.

    I am not denying most of what you say about the past Sinhala-tamil equation. However, I am interpreting it in terms of the circumstances and political realities of a bygone time.

    Regarding the concentration of schools, please compare the number of top class schools in Jaffna, on a per-capita basis with those in the Vanni,East and the South. The Tamils in Jaffna were blessed to have this advantage. Unfortunately, the results were distorting from a national perspective.

    The migration of Tamils was necessiatated by history both in the past and recent times. Those who migrated in the past to Malaysia, mostly returned and invested their monies in Jaffna. Whereas, the recent wave of migrants to the West will not return and will not invest, because of political considerations, financial inability or the lack of will. The latter is unfortunate in terms of the conditions in the north and east. However, I have to thank the many Tamils and Sinhalese who are coming forward to do their mite for the people in the north and east.

    Finally, I am a firm believer that economic development will lead to prosperity. Prosperity will in turn lead to a cultural rennaisance. Political influence, if not power (considering that we are a much smaller minority now), will naturally follow. We have the potential and capacity to become an influential minority in Sri Lanka, if we play our cards right now. I think the Muslims have played their cards right on this score. The plantation Tamils are also sailing on a similar course, though slowed by their unfortunate history.

    I think realism has to give way to pride in the political affairs of the Tamils in the north and east, at this point in our history, if we are to rise again like the Sphinx from our externally inflicted and self inflicted misfortunes.

    I thank Wije above a providing a deeper perspective into some aspects of our post-indendence historical events and their results.

    Dr. Rajasingham Narendran

  112. My interest on pre historic times in Lanka made me search and find some interesting articles. Hope many will be enlightened by the evidence already at our door steps.

    I’m copying from some of these. It is easy to search in google wealth of information to absorb.

    http://www.scenicsrilanka.com/history-of-sri-lanka.html
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    Some of the highlights and evidence of the inhabited by humans in Sri Lanka are;

    123,000 BC – Oldest human found in Lanka – Pathirajawela in the deep South. A student from Bundala Central school recovered the oldest Lankan human’s remains and his stone tools in Pathirajawela in Deep south, near Ambalantota. This Lankan had lived 20,000 years before the Niandathal inhabited the earth. It has been estimated, at an international average, that the population density for Lanka, at the time was 0.8-1.5 per SqKm in dry zone and 0.1 in wet zone. They had lived in groups of 1-2 families, not in large groups due to scarcity of food. With this proof of pre-historic settlement in Lanka, Patirajawela also exposed a flake and stone tool industry belonging to 125,000 to 75,000 BC. This meant that the Lankans had already started their long journey towards civilisation.

    80000 BC – 2nd oldest human found in Lanka – Bundala in the deep South These people made tools of quartz (and a few on chert). Apart from such tools, no other remains had survived the ravages of time and tropical weathering.

    30500 BC Fa-Hien cave – 3rd oldest Lankan human found in the Largest natural cave in South Asia Over 150 feet in height, 282 feet long, Pahiyangala can accommodate over 3000 humans. It was home to a large community. 3rd oldest Lankan human proves world’s oldest proof of consumption of rice, Kurahan, salt Female body-remains found near BulathSinhala, proved the consumption of rice, kurahan, and salt. The Archaeologists named her Kalu-Menika. It was proof that 20,000 years before the world, Lankans have gone agricultural. It was also the first anatomically modern human found in whole of South Asia.

  113. TRN,

    Thanks for this input. Let us start now debating whether they were Sinhalse or Tamils!!

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  114. DBSJ, hope you won’t get annoyed with me for posting from other web sites. However your article has inspired to search on pre historic times in SL.

    I’m coming across many interesting facts. Do you mind if I post them here?

    http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/cave.htm

    Dr. Deraniyagala, Consultant to the Sri Lankan government on Archaeology says;

    Sri Lanka is lucky in that we have a series of human remains from caves from 37,000 years ago. A major assemblage has been dated to 18,000 years ago, another to 16,000 years B.P., yet another to 6,500, and one between 4,000 and 3,000 years ago. These remains have been intensely studied at Cornell University, U.S., and reports published. The initial indications are that the 19th century Vadda Adivasis of Sri Lanka bear a strong genetic resemblance to these early historic humans, at least from 18,000 years ago onwards. This research was taken further by Dr. D.T. Hawkey of Arizona State University, where she used dental morphological traits to establish the genetic distance between populations. It is comparative work of the greatest value, and what she says is that these dental traits are genetically determined, and have nothing to do with environment. She has done comparative work not only on the Sri Lankan population but various Indian groups and further afield into West Asia and South-east Asia on the one hand, and Australia and Melanesia on the other. She has come up with important results on the genetic affinities of our prehistoric humans. This has confirmed the results of the earlier work done by Cornell University.

    What is more important is that Dr. Hawkey suggests that the Sri Lankan evidence indicates that modern human beings evolved in South Asia, South-east Asia, and perhaps in south China. This challenges the widely held view that they originated in Africa.
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    So isn’t it obvious that Native Vedda’s claims are justified?

  115. No debate is necessary Dr.Narendran, as the evidence clearly shows that they were neither Tamil nor Sinhala.

    But Dr. D.T. Hawkey of Arizona State University says:

    The initial indications are that the 19th century Vadda Adivasis of Sri Lanka bear a strong genetic resemblance to these early historic humans, at least from 18,000 years ago onwards.

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    Of course one can claim that there were mixing of genes. If so, the next step should be to find out who have the greater % of Vadda Adivasi’s genes.

    This will be very interesting than a debate on political solutions no?

    I’m sure Dr.Sudharshan Seneviratne will be an expert to write an article on the above. Think about it DBSJ.

  116. Retired judge wigneswaran brings out a very disturbing aspect to this 25 yers conflict when he says,i quote below

    [In fact one of the constant agitations among the Tamils today is to probe into and find out the whereabouts of a large number of detainees. Why should anyone be kept incommunicado and in secret after May 2009 unless something terrible is being done to them, is the question they ask. They are perturbed that their politicians have not been able to adequately help them nor even the Courts.]

    If these people have been kept in custody for years,some maybe even for twenty,then it is time the courts went into this matter now, belatedly at least,otherwise the justice system will lose the respect of the people,if it has not lost it already.

    Now that the war is over there is no need to keep these people in custody without trial.They should all be freed and no prosecution of those who imprisoned them. That way the slate is wiped clean for both parties and we can move forward into a clean and fresh future.

    These itsy bitsy pieces left out of this conflict,if not cleared up will leave a lot of recriminations and bitterness which will be an impediment to the future reconciliation of the two communities.

  117. Good suggestion Shankar.

    I think Retired judge Wigneswaran should initiate this with his friends in Law society.

    They should have a list of detainees, when were they detained and why they are not released yet. Then they can make a case against this and persuade the minister of justice to take proper action.

    What we mostly do is keep blaming not find ways out of the pit we are at present. We all need to think afresh and come out of this together.

    The politicians and authorities are dumb if we show them what is wrong and how to amend them at least they will wake up from their slumber. it not then we can blame them for arrogance of whatever we want to.

  118. Mahesh,

    We have to all learn lessons. However, the Tamils have to learn more lessons, because they have to act in a drastically different manner to meet the challenges of the future.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  119. What has the LLRC done on this count. Lot of people have testified before the commission.

    Don’t pretend not knowing about that.

  120. Thank you Mahesh for bringing a pertinent point.

    I searched and came across a link LLRC archive. Food for thought for all who only play the blame game. Start acting on recommendations. No more slumbering please!!

    http://llrclk.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/interim-recommendations.pdf

    Please see the above link interim recommendations of LLRC is given there. This was published in September 2011.

    I’m sure Justice Wingeshwaran & his lawyer friends could act on these recommendations. Keep pushing the justice minister until the recommendations are implemented.

    Also it is of the best interest of the public that the civil society acts in unity to find out what had been done upto now since Sept 2011 on the above recommendations.

    keep pestering the ministry with letters, petitions and news paper articles until they start acting. The opposition political parties should be put their whole weight behind this and get it activated.

    Am I playing the harp to a deaf elephant????

  121. TRN

    Yep.Thanks for that.Looks like the commission has done its job,but the implementation is not being done.Even the first thing that it has recommended,to publish a list of the detainees,has not been done.Maybe it is due to the mismatch in educational levels between the commmission and its educated members, and the government and its uneducated ones.The two hands are not clapping together because of this mismatch in intelligence. Commisions are full of brains and the government is full of brawn. If the members of these commisions had gone into politics then a person who has a good idea can also implement it with ease.Intellectuals and professionals go into these commissions while the black sheep of the family with the strongest vocal chords go into politics.Now it may be necessary to have another commission with full powers to implement the recommendations of the LLRC because the politicians won’t understand the longterm implications of not implementing those recommendations,because they have been born with shortsightedness and these matters won’t be in their list of priorities,unless there was pressure from somewhere on them to do something.These pollies have not entered parliament to serve the country,but to serve themselves.Therein lies the crux of the problem,not only in srilanka but the whole south asia. It is sad to see the brain drain in this country due to these politicians ruining it.One day we might not find any competent people left to even fill the slots in these commisions,with all their reports rotting away once it is given to these dumb politicians and thrown into the bin.Today we are still left with some competent people of the older generation,but they are powerless pen pushers who can only give recommendations,because those who have the power are the uneducated with a deep inferiority complex and will lash out at these people in these commissions if they cross the line into their turf.

    play a harp to a deaf elephant.Good one.

  122. If that report was filed in the sept 2011 what has the govt been doing all these days.

    Should any one say to the Lawfully elected democratic govt to publish the names of the persons detained by the security agencies.

    This is atrocious. If they don’t know even that then what do I think of their caliber for ruling the country.

  123. How do you know that nothing is been done?

    Do you live in a country that everything is perfect with the law and the political leaders?

    You only find fault but never find solutions!

  124. shankar says:

    Maybe it is due to the mismatch in educational levels between the commmission and its educated members, and the government and its uneducated ones.The two hands are not clapping together because of this mismatch in intelligence. Commisions are full of brains and the government is full of brawn.

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    Yes Shankar your absolutely diagnosed the problem. Yes the politicians are dumb ! They have only done politics & not many of them completed 2ry school. That’s why they need commissions to understand the real issues and problems faced by the people. Even when the commissions recommend it takes a long winding road to reach the politicians brain ! or do they get lost in the air???

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    shankar says:

    These pollies have not entered parliament to serve the country,but to serve themselves.

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    Absolute truth nothing but the truth ! That is the problem with the opposition too.

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    But as always lets have hope. We have gone through the mill and overcome many obstacles. The citizens of this island should not allow the politicians to ruin our lives any more.

    Please go through infolanka news. Many positive articles towards LLRC and the common man is awakening. Let the Deaf elephant dance to his own tune !!

  125. Tell me what all has been done.

    I am not claiming that I am living in a country where everything is perfect, but it is far better compared to your place.

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    I particularly liked your comment

    You only find fault but never find solutions!

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    Have your found out any political solution to the Tamil problem. You entered into accords and then broke them off. you burnt the library and of course you rebuilt it.

    You entered into an accord with India and have you implemented it?

    TELL ME SIR IF YOU HAVE FOUND ANY SOLUTION TO THE TAMIL PROBLEM WHICH I DO NOT KNOW.

  126. Patience is the key word. Act with wisdom not haste.

    Political solution should not cater to only the fancies of Tamils. There are many communities deprived of human rights and live in poverty.

    GoSL should address all these problems not only ‘Tamil’ problem.

    I do have hope the day will dawn all of us Sri lankan can live in harmony. We have lived before in harmony for centuries in this tiny island. Only if we can get over our pride & prejudice.

    As very correctly DBSJ once said that Tamil and sinhalese are intertwined. Not only these 2 communities but all others have to live in this tiny island sharing limited resources. Only unity will give us strength to sustain our future.

    This will be my last reply for you Mahesh. I can not see how you will ever come out of your hate towards sinhala polity.

    Its best that you get over your pre occupation as your comments not serve any purpose to us Sri Lankans.

  127. can one of these expert historians be kind enough to explain to us lesser mortals, which, the egg or the chicken came first?

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