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By Jehan Perera

Hello Friends

The war may be over but the Armed forces of Sri Lanka continue to play an assertive role in the affairs of the Country.

Two soldiers wait for electricity to power their sewing machines at a tailor shop opened up in front of their unit's headquarters, just outside Kilinochchi, northern Sri Lanka. The military has started opening cafes, tailor shops and other businesses throughout the north-Picture by Steve Chao ~ courtesy of Al Jazeera

This is more pronounced in the Northern and Eastern provinces of the Country where the armed forces continue to dominate may spheres of eeryday life in the regions where Tamils are a preponderant majority

If this is the existential reality in the North – East the Sinhala majority Southern provinces are also witnessing a kind of creeping militarisation where the Armed forces are “invading” into areas that were traditionally out of bounds. These range from selling vegetables to overseeing cricket grounds.

The increasing militarisation of society coupled with the increasing politicisation of the military is creating quite a dangerous climate in Sri Lanka. Arguably the defence secretary and Presidential sibling is “in practice” the most powerful man in the Island today

All these deelopments trouble people conerned about the future well-being of the country. Some have begun speaking out or commenting publicly on this situation

National Peace Council director and well -known analyst-commentator Jehan Perera has in a recent article referred to this situation. I am reproducing the article on my blog for the benefit of reader.

Here it is friends-DBS Jeyaraj

ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL COSTS OF OVER-EXTENDING MILITARY ROLE

By Jehan Perera

Sri Lanka Army in vegetable retailing-pic: ft.lk

Three of Sri Lanka’s international cricket stadia including the newly built ones in Pallekele and Hambantota, have been handed over to the military indefinitely because Sri Lanka Cricket is unable to afford the maintenance costs. The Navy will look after Pallekelle stadium, the R. Premadasa Stadium in Colombo by the Air Force and the army the stadium in Hambantota, named after President Mahinda Rajapaksa.

The reason for this unconventional allocation of responsibilities appears to be economic. The military spokesperson is quoted by the media as saying, “It is a service. We are supporting the country by doing this.” He has also said that the military will not charge Sri Lanka Cricket since armed service members are paid by the government. Sri Lanka Cricket is well over Rs 200 million in debt.

This is not the first time that the government has handed over economic responsibilities to the armed forces. Instead of giving the national cricket board a subsidy, the government has decided to effectively bear the loss through the defence budget. Some months ago the government deployed army troops to sell vegetables and bring down the cost of living for the country’s urban population at a time when drought conditions had made vegetable prices soar.

Today the Air Force operates commercial flights to various places within the country and the Navy conducts whale-watching tours for tourists. With the salaries of armed forces personnel being met out of the defence budget, it is likely that the military units engaging in these commercial ventures are able to show operating profits. In addition the efficiency of the armed forces is an established fact after the defeat of the LTTE.

At the present time the prestige of the Sri Lankan armed forces is very high within the country. There is much appreciation of the sacrifice and valour of the three services that vanquished the LTTE, which international commentators had elevated to the status of the world’s deadliest terrorist organization.

There were many international military experts who believed that the winning the war against the LTTE was going to be an impossible task, just as it is proving to be impossible for the US in Afghanistan against the Taliban. But after three decades of experience in battling the LTTE, the Sri Lankan armed forces were sufficiently professionalized and equipped to prevail. As a result many other countries that are involved in anti-terrorist operations are studying the Sri Lankan strategy. There is today an image of the Sri Lankan military as a highly effective fighting force.

During the war the size of the military had to be increased to tackle the LTTE. There was a need for troops who would be on the battlefront and fighting offensively against the LTTE which even resorted to recruitment of under-aged children in order to boost their numbers.

There was also the need for troops to stay behind outside of the battlefield and defend the civilian population and installations against terrorist attack that the the LTTE was notorious for carrying out. The elimination of the LTTE as a fighting force therefore paved the way for a substantial reduction in the size of the armed forces. After the end of the war the size of the Sri Lankan military was expected to decrease, if not significantly at least gradually to represent the return to normalcy and de-militarisation of society.

Demobilisation of excess troop capacity after war helps to release economic resources for massive post-war reconstruction and to get the development process restarted. This was the reasonable expectation in the light of the experience in most other post-war societies. However, Sri Lanka appears to following a post-war path of its own that is quite unlike that found in most other democratic countries.

It has expanded the size of the armed forces after the war and also continuously been increasing the size of the defence budget. The government has also taken the unusual step of combining the defence ministry with the urban development authority and renamed the ministry to be the ministry of defence and urban development.

The urban development authority was placed under the control of the defence ministry last year. Now the army is considering building and operating a luxury five star hotel in Colombo.

In countries such as Pakistan and Indonesia where there have been military and authoritarian governments backed by military power, the military runs banks, schools and even industrial ventures. The results have generally been negative in terms of economic efficiency. Economic activities run by the military have an inbuilt subsidy which creates an impression that they are running at a profit, when in actual fact there are huge losses. This is because the salaries and logistical costs of military personnel who work on economic projects are actually being met from the defence budget and are not charged to the economic projects they are undertaking.

In most democratic countries the role of the military is restricted to protecting the country from internal and external security threats. This is the area of their special competence, for which they receive special training. They are strictly prohibited from getting involved in commercial activities or in matters of governance.

Recently a top US General serving in Afghanistan was removed immediately from his post after he gave an interview criticizing the Afghan government and saying that they did not appreciate the sacrifice that American troops were making in the war against terrorism. It is only in exceptional situations, such as the natural disaster that struck Japan in the form of a combined earthquake, tsunami and nuclear leak in Fukushima, that the military was temporarily deployed for rescue operations, and also to clear debris, recover bodies and to build relief shelters.

Human rights lawyer J C Weliamuna has written that “In recent times, the justification for using the military for non-military activities was sought on the ground that the military (or war heroes who liberated the country) should not be redundant and that they should be active partners of development. Thus, they say, using the military for reconstruction and other developmental activities are justified.

In my view, this is totally misconceived and self-destructive argument. Economic development is not part of the military profession except in military states or authoritarian regimes. Armed forces are not revenue earning agencies of the government nor are they self funded or autonomous institutions outside the state authority.”

The take over and running of the international cricket stadia in Colombo, Pallekele and Hambantota by the three services needs to be assessed also in the light of what is happening today in the North and East of the country. The recent report of the Tamil National Alliance in Parliament states, “The military is increasingly involved in economic activity in the North and East. Through its system of checkpoints, the military ensures that its proxies control the transportation of fish from the Northern coastal areas.

Large sections of beach front land in the Eastern province have been parceled out to companies which are headed by military officers. The military has established a string of restaurants along the main Jaffna highway. An entire military tourism industry catering to Southern visitors is run by the military establishment. The Navy uses state resources to run ferry services for the Southern tourist industry.

Military personnel also run various quasi-commercial enterprises such as shops and salons that are highly irregular and impact negatively on the local economies. ” However, it is not only a question of hidden costs, subsidies and issues of economic efficiency. The greater danger is the increased possibility of encroachment on civilian control of government.

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123 Comments

  1. Good artile.Much food for thought.

    I am reminded of your illuminating article about the politicisation of the military in Sri Laka that you wrote early last year Mr.Jeyaraj. Maybe a re-posting would be appropriate now?

  2. When we went to Jaffna by road recently there was a beauty salon on the way next to a cafe. Both cafe&salon run y soldiers as businesses

    The proud soldiers who defeated the most brutal terrorists were now serving us like servants bringing water to wash our fingers and taking away our plates to clean

    When we went to the salon we found their special to be a pedicure and foot massage

    We really enjoyed it when these young ,handsome, brave men washed our feet, put oil and massaged , cut our toe nails, rubbed our foot and then put lotion on our feet and painted our toe nails. They even put on our footwear on our feet

    Of course we enjooyed and gave good tip but later when we discussed in the car we thought how bad for our heroes to be reduced to our foot servants.

  3. I think our valiant soldiers are being degraded now by these type of things. Vegetable selling, road cleaning, grounds maintaining etc are not suitable for our heroes

    Gota is devaluing the army

  4. Democracy is now merely a facade in Lanka and the rise of the Gotabaya Rajapakse military dictatorship is quite apparent, with Mahainda Rajapakse as the civil facade. Gotabaya is a former military man. They are following the military-business model of governance. This is what you get when you have a former petrol pump worker as a Minister of Economic development and his brother as Defense Secretary!
    The latest is that the Army will establish a development and construction company. The new company aims to assist the government to undertake development work at low cost and will run the “under-utilized assets” taken over. The company is to undertake infrastructure constructions such as highways, bridges, buildings, playgrounds, parks etc. and offer services in transport and agriculture.
    The army claims to have made a profit of Rs. 370 million but this is fiction since the Army is funded and subsidized to the tune of trillions of rupees by tax payers money – through the budget! Do these people think that Sri Lankans are morons to be believe that the army is a profit? making business?
    Meanwhile the Rajapakse dictatorship are expecting trouble these days after the murder of Bharatha Luxman and with the economic bubble bursting, gas prices and COL going up, the appropriation bill, people are getting restive. Colombo city is full of military and they are suppressing websites. It seems that a Libiya-like situation may follow sooner than we expected!

  5. There is no free lunch and any enterprise involves costs. When labour is available at 10-15,000 rupees a month, paying soldiers Rs 30,000 a month plus all allowances and overheads to do labour jobs is hardly profitable. In the end the taxpayers and ordinary citizens pay for these so called services.
    The second disadvantage is that these are in direct competition with ordinary citizens and therefore serves to kill the means of livelihood of ordinary people. So civil society takes a double whammy by these ill conceived acts.

  6. Sorry Mr.Jeyaraj to the extend I got into the discussion about the caste system. I think I won’t get into this silly issue again. But Jeyaraj, why didn’t you intervene when Sivananthan was belittling Tamils by saying that Karaya(n)rs are terrorists, Kalla(n)rs are thieves and so on. Had you intervened earlier discussion would not have gone to this extend. I think Sivananthan thinks being a Tamil he has every right to defane Tamils. It is not so. Sivananthan is provocative rather than proactive. My defaming against Sinhalese is just a reaction to Sivanathan. Otherwise I don’t have any grudges towards Sinhalese.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    All of you involved in the “discussion” are mature, knowledgeable, educated articulate people who are basically decent.

    I do not want to intervene in these matters unecessarily because I believe in giving people space and opportunity to state their opinion

    In this case it went beyond limits but I wanted you all to realise it by yourselves and self-regulate. But it was not happening

    When I started this blog I hoped for informed,enlightened “conversation”. Sadly it does not seem to be happening. I have no pleasure in moderating this blog and am always thinking of stopping comments
    I dont know why I waste time and energy reading these posts

    But I continue only because some of the comments are interesting and informative too

    But I suppose at some point of time I may reach breaking point………I do hope it wont happen

  7. hi dbsj,

    can you please explain what hon.R Sampanthan trying to say in this hard hitting speech

    thanks

    arul

    Why me Arul?Why?……….DBSJ

  8. This is imposter using my name. I did not forward this.

    Anyway Hiranthi it is better our brave soldiers divert to enterprises without lay them off. Most countries after a war, lay off thousand of soldiers. But our government protect their jobs. And in the meantime these kind of busineses help army to minimise their own expenses from the income they make.

    Why dont you guys write under your real names?…………DBSJ

  9. So, even the jobs are being taken away from the Tamil population. Haven’t they suffered enough? How on earth are they going to make a living? We are sowing the seeds of the next rebellion.

    This is what the military does in China, with their tentacles everywhere.

  10. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    Will someone please tell what you expect the soldiers to do. As Sri Lankan stated, they are getting about Rs.30,000/= a month and to get them to do some work is a good thing.

    As my father used to say “Idle mind is like a devil’s workshop”.

    By the way, I wonder whetherthere are any female soldiers giving massages in the beauty parlour.

  11. Economic and political costs of over-extending military role
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    In year 2009 our brave troops dimolished inland terorists activity. Nevertheless international tamil terorists suporters are still activating. In this circumstance it might not wise thought to reduce the amount of army or diversifiing themt into civil occupation. Therefore amount of army should not decrease, but it is good to them in employing civil activities.

  12. Srilanka will fare better in military rule. Democracy did not do any thing good so far. Following the foot steps of china with military control might help faster development.

  13. Soon, SL army will be driving three wheelers and selling fish & vegetables all over.

    Anyone wondered why the nation is being militarised? Well, if one breaks military la\w, the punishments are harsher than in a civil court and also, the military brings in discipline so that these poor people won’t revolt against the nation. Slowly but surely, SL is heading towards the Burmese model of democracy. Perhaps even end up as the next North Korea….where people live in hunger but almost every cent is spent on its bloated military.

  14. Predictably the end of the LTTE has been replaced in the Tamil areas with increasing military occupation, suppression of internal media and human rights abuses which no one bothers to investigate in case they harm the President’s reputation. Truly a wonderful life our Tamil brothers back home lead

  15. I have always being proud of our armed forces. Thousands of our yough men paid hugh sacrifices to defend and save the country from terrorism and ethnic disintegration. As Sri Lankans we all have to be greatful for the sacrifices made by members of the armed forces and their families. As a responsible government I hope our government look after their well fair and provide assistance and programs for members of armed forces who are ready to leave the forces to reintegrate into society and find suitable employment. Government should never use the armed forces to run roadside cafes, vegitable stalls, beautiy parlors and other labor work. It is an insult to their professional careers and an insult to all those who have sacrificed for their motherland. Government should slowly but steadly cut the size of the Armed forces, especially in the Army and slowly reduce it’s role as a policing force, invest in research and development, train more battalions in special operation warfare and peacekeeping missions.

  16. “But after three decades of experience in battling the LTTE, the Sri Lankan armed forces were sufficiently professionalized and equipped to prevail. As a result many other countries that are involved in anti-terrorist operations are studying the Sri Lankan strategy. There is today an image of the Sri Lankan military as a highly effective fighting force.”
    This is just another false image making. Well. When we study the LTTE – SL forces war, we have to consider a very important think. The fact is that over 15 MILLIONS of the Sinhalese and others actually fought the war with just 2 MILLIONS of Tamils of the North and East! They took more than 30 years to win the war with military, logistic, intelligence, diplomatic and other assistances of India, USA, West European and other countries.
    Just like the Sinhala -Buddhist nationalism based on the false and imaginary doctrine Sinhala – Sinhalese – Theravada Buddhism – Lanka doctrine with one to one correspondence as said in the UN Panel Report (Paras 24 & 28, Pages 7&8), now the Sinhala Buddhist politicians, some media and the ‘intellectuals’ speak and write about the armed forces.
    Well. The GOSL facing other problems and trying to utilize its bloated forces is different. But, immersing the Sinhala nation into new imaginary doctrines will be dangerous.

  17. Dear Srilankans,It seems very soon Government/military controlled the three brothers will take over your family also if you donot run your family profitably.

  18. Srilankans should better to prepare themselves to live under acomplete and open military dictatership very soon!!!!

  19. “The proud soldiers who defeated the most brutal terrorists were now serving us like servants bringing water to wash our fingers and taking away our plates to clean”

    What these “proud soldiers” proved to you is that it is all about the _money_. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are upfront about it. Their acts emphasize the fact that they even put on their army uniforms for battle all for the _money_. So much for being “proud” soldiers who defeated the most “brutal” terrorists. If you think hard enough, you will realize that had these “proud” soldiers been given more _money_ to not fight the battle, they would have certainly taken up the offer. This is how the “brutal” terrorists thrived being outnumbered 100 to 1 for 3 decades – they offered more money – it is all about the money…so much for being “proud” soldiers.

  20. Srilanka ain’t America ,or Indonesia or Pakistan.

    Thirty years of Terror didn’t Militarize Srilanka and destroy her democracy.

    Srilankans didn’t even trust an ex General.

    Co habitation of Private enterprise along side semi private small business enterprises run by the Military is good for it improves quality and price competitiveness.

    There is a dearth of skilled labor in construction.Using Military to fill that gap is good thinking.

    Besides the Cricket Board isn’t the most squeky clean and efficient one that the people expect it to be.

    The author himself admits that the great majority have high regard for the Armed Forces.

    They are happy to recieve their service to better their lives in the current peaceful environment.

    Perhaps this arrangement can be a model for the smaller nations in the Asia Pacific especially in South Asia .

  21. I would be happy if Sinhalese migrants packed up their bags and leave Tamil Eelam. Until then, both communities will try to wipe out the other. The Sinhalese are doing at a fast pace.

  22. samarasekara

    You ought to know all miltary powers wane over a period. There had been many examples from roman empire to British empire where sun never set. However, the present British state is now unable to maintain a decent naval fleet due to cash crunch.

    In 1988 Prof Paul Kennedy published a book titled “Rise and Fall of Empires”. It is a must read book. He argued empires come to their own end as he put it ” Imperialism Over Stretch”. This he related to USA.

    The huge commitment will drain the country’s resources and the country will be sucked into a hole where there is no possiblity of return.

    Before you praise the lord’s army make sure you got the ecnometrics right.

  23. Only a fellow as crazy as you would think the Sri Lankan model would be adopted by smaller nations in South Asia.

  24. GobiTiger says:

    “I would be happy if Sinhalese migrants packed up their bags and leave Tamil Eelam”

    I would be much happier when the Sinhalese leave, if they took their Tamil brothers and sisters with them.

  25. Wije, I think the SLA became a very good fighting force after Fonseka and Gota took control. They were professional and innovative. Thanks to fonseka, he got rid of the old farts and gave the command to younger generation. He got 100% support from GOSL.

    On the flip side, LTTE proved a formidable force of Guerrillas. However their leadership was getting old and autocratic. I believe they were a match to SLA in most area’s but they lost because of the strategy they adopted at the end. The hit and run guerrilla’s chose the set piece battle probably because their leadership was old and static.
    Therefore SLA getting the reputation as a professional force is not unfair. Most of their officers I know have a great feeling of fair play and were tremendously sorry for the plight of the Tamils at the last stages.

    But to say 15million Singhalese fought 2 million Tamils is bit far fletched.

  26. Kalu Alberts is saying that in other words, that the military can screw better than him and he has no objections to inviting the military to his bedroom…….

    When an Englishman says his home is his castle, he says, what nonsense this kalu suddha is saying, the military is good and efficient and his home is not his castle and the military is welcome in his house and his bedroom……….

    Soon Kalu will find that the military is master in Kalu’s home and its no longer his home and his castle.

    Then it will be too late for these short sighted intellectuals of Lanka.

  27. Yes Gavin,
    It is far fletched by all means when you look back at the reality :
    2 million Tamils fought against
    • Over a Billion Chinese
    • Nearly a Billion North and south West Indians
    • 50 million jokers in Tamil Nadu
    • Several million from Norway, EU etc
    • 20 million Sinhalese and finally
    • Few thousands from within
    Yeah Puthe you are right !!

  28. I would like to point out three things; First The Sri-Lankan armed forces were able to defeat the Tigers because of the massive military aide of the rogue countries like India, china, Russia, Iran and Pakistan. To a great extent, the tigers’ own stupidity and foolishness too paved the way for their ultimate extermination. There are about 60000 ‘brave soldiers’ are still on the lose from the Sri-Lankan forces as I write this.

    The post war regime of the Rajapakse clan is adopting a combined system of former South African Apartheid model and current Israeli occupying model. The discriminatory,repressive Aparteid system of former minority white dominated South Africa, accompanied by the seizure of land belonging to blacks for the use of whites. In the same fashion, the land in the traditional homeland of the tamil people is also grabed by this regime for

    1. planed Sinhala settlements with help of armed thugs.
    2. the occupying forces as high security zones
    3. sinhala businesses in the name of development

    Israel also is continuing to build settlements in the occupied east Jeruselem and westbank despite the international condemnation. The long term aim of this regime is to destroy the identity of Tamils as a nation. I would like to remind you, it is impossible to exterminate a race from the surface of this planet,by means of genicide.

    The only possible reason for the current military build up is to challenge India. This regime may think that Taiwan’s military power deters China’s invasion. But unfortunately these run-away soldiers are no match to the 4th largest armed forces in the word.(military might rank 1.USA 2.Russia 3.China 4.India) Sri-Lanka will be under India’s control within minutes. So it makes sense when the regime use its military power to run restaurents salons and vegitable markets.

    Kanian

  29. I can’t believe this :

    “The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) is making an exceptional Urgent Appeal after observing the increased numbers of systematic extrajudicial killings of beggars in Sri Lankan cities over the past few months. According to information that the AHRC has received, a beggar was clubbed to death by unidentified assailants with a sharp weapon during the early hours of 4 October 2011 at Kelaniya in Gampaha District.
    This is the eighth beggar who is reported to have been killed in the past 3 months.

    In the name of modernization and the beautification of the cities, around a dozen beggars were similarly killed in the city of Colombo in 2010. Investigation or prosecution of the assailants were denied in all of these cases. Therefore, justice was denied. The case is yet another in a very long list of extrajudicial killings by the Sri Lankan police. “

  30. Oh my dear Mr. Samarasekara,

    You have got it all wrong. Seems like Mr. Gothabaya Rajapakse also got the same mindset.

    Let the Tamils regain their lost dwellings back, demolish the high security zones since there is no LTTE artillery batteries around, North and East administration revert back to civil administration and treat the Tamils as equal citizens and see what the diaspora will do after.

    Tamils were sick of the LTTE menace then and now the Armed forces not only replaced the LTTE menance by themselves and virtually intruding in every day lives of the Tamils in the North and East!

    Be realistic and think how the Hambanthota civilians would react if the Sri Lankan Army comprised entirely of Tamils and dictate their daily lives.

  31. DBSJ, this is increasingly becoming a problem on your valued website. Even real names can be impersonated and that is even more dangerous. The simple solution is to make it compulsory the filling of the “Mail(will not be published)” field with a real or a fake email address which will serve as a password for your system.

  32. There isn’t a single Sinhalese in Tamil Nadu.

    Dear Gobi what do you propose to do with the Tamils in Colombo district and upcountry estates?

  33. Kanian Poongkuran: I do not think there is any military build up of SL armed forces but SL has maintained the forces since LTTE defeat. The reason according to me is GOSL is concerned there may be another internal threat. It is very difficult to train people again but very easy to maintain the existing forces. To keep army occupied and make some money in return, various projects have been given. Today SL forces are the best trained unit in the world which has veterans of real combat. In WW2, some of the US forces which landed on the Omah beach faced the German veterans from the east Russian front and the US marines were cut down to pieces. Indian forces have the numbers but not the recent combat experience and in war it’s not numbers which necessarily count but the tactics and experience. Rat tag Vietnamese faced one of the most modern fighting machines in the world in the form of US army and see what happened.

  34. Dear Gavin,
    Out of the factors that determine victory: number of fighting personnel on the ground, weaponry, intelligence, strategy, training etc.,the SL infantry had similar modern small arms. But they had superior heavy long range weapons and tanks as well. As far as ‘intelligence’ is concerned, they were well equipped and India, America etc. provided satellite intelligence assistance.The Indian navy only sunk the Tigers ships that were carrying arms.You check the video photos of all the ships of the Tigers that were sunk in the sea. All were hit at the center. This shows that they were hit by surface-to-surface missiles.The SL Navy did not have surface-to -surface missiles! The SL Army had the air support also.
    Therefore, the number personnel directly involved in fighting becomes very important.
    ‘Strategy’ in the Sri Lankan war was actually decided by the number of fighting personnel available on the ground.
    Well. The Sri Lankan Armed Forces have won the war, and killed Ptabaharan.It is a military victory. No body can deny that. However, that does not mean that the SL Military is a highly effective fighting force.Here only the false image making comes.
    The politicians make use of this false image to achieve their own aims and objectives.

  35. Dear Samarasekera,
    You say: “Nevertheless international tamil terorists suporters are still activating.”
    You are thinking in the negative way. You thinking is just as mentioned in paragraph 28 of the UN Panel Report.
    Why should we worry about the Sri Lanka Diaspora? We think about the Tamils who live in our country Lanka.
    If the Tamils and the other citizens are given all their rights, international terrorist supporters can not do anything in our country. Even the Tamils will not listen to them or worry about them.
    This is the positive way of thinking.
    Thus, the most important thing our MR Government has to do is to find a political solution wherein all the citizens of our country get all their rights. Please change your attitude.

  36. Native Vedda says: November 8, 2011 at 8:19 pm samarasekara You ought to know all miltary powers wane over a period. There had been many examples from roman empire to British empire where sun never set. However
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    Dear friend.

    This is SIR LANKA. We don’t need to see foreign examples. We have our own example.
    Early sri lanka, Entire population included into army. People can do farming,fishing, and so on for their day to day living. Nevertheless when king summomed them for battle all were obeyed the order and givenup their normal duties and joined the army.

    The significant factor was they were not paied for going to army, but they thought it was their duty because the entire country strengthen with GRAMA RAJJYA system. They must equiped with their own meals and medecines too. Therefore KAWUM and AGGLA too in their slacks. They new how to use KEWUM as medecine for wounds, but Protugees didn’t know it. That’s why they called SINHALAYA MODAYA KEWUN KANNA SOOORAYA.
    In year 2009 all world knew how sinhalaya sa sooraya.

    The power devaluation spread top to bottem but it was not forcus for any community basis but forcus on teretory basis. The local head who incharge in the teretory represented king. That’s how simultaniously we had ADICARAM in hill country and VANNIYAAR in north.

    This pattren of grama rajjya enriched for builting massive army for king Dutugamumu for a short tiome period. It helped king WALAGAMBA to fought with tamils invaders for continously seven period.

    There are many examples, So I think you capable to read our post with balance mind you too come into conclusion that massive army was not burden for our country.

    samarasekara

  37. Senthuran Navaratnam says: November 8, 2011 at 11:50 pm Oh my dear Mr. Samarasekara,You have got it all wrong. Seems like Mr. Gothabaya Rajapakse also got the same mindset
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    Dear friend,

    Inland basis LTTE was gone.

    But it was the dream tamil Elam. Who built the seperate state ideology,homeland concept. It was nothing but SJV a foreginer like you.
    This vishus concepts still circulling in the country and out of the country. These are jearms for our stability. Therefore it should be demolished as Ltte demolished, Untill thsese vishus concepts vanished we don’t need to reduced the strength of the army. Therefore we are not thinking that army is the burden of our ceonomy. Mind you our per capita income is above 2300 u.s. dollers. It means we can afford the big army.

    samarasekara

  38. very soon colombo will be renamed MAHINDA RAJAPAKSE PURA and katunakake air port will be called GOTHAPAYA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT and hambantota habour will be called NAMAL RAJAPAKSE INTERNATIONAL HARBOUR and free trade zone will be called BASIL RAJAPAKSE INTERNATIONAL FREE TRADE ZONE.

  39. DBSJ

    Thanks for this comment section where we can let our repressed thoughts for others to see how sad we are.

    I will maintain a dignified silence whenever I get the urge to orally abuse other commentators.

    By the way can I still use stupit when I address the Tamils and Sinhalese?

    If that is inappropriate please let me know the alternative which would sufficiently describe their inability use their faculties and their nature to self destruct.

  40. Yeah, re-build what you bombed & shelled and hand it back to the original owners. Not build new things and keep it for yourself. This is called taking by force without permission – theft, not only of things but of jobs. If you want to have a shop or a business, leave the army get a subsidised loan from the army which the brave and valiant soldiers should be entitled to.

  41. “War Veterans” is always an issue in any country. Canada has a ministry to look after the veterans. I read some reports that many war veterans are homeless and live by road in USA.

    Sri lanka has more “population” to be served by the state. If the soldiers are useful in some fields, why cannot they work there?

  42. marisur, Why not ask them to go and wash Mahinda’s foot and worship him he can be incarnated as the modern day Buddha..Why are you still training and recruiting more for the military? Aparantly YOU HAVE WON THE WAR AND WIPED OUT THE LTTE and only peace is prevailing and all the people are living peacefully, freely loving each other and no violence what so ever.

  43. Mr Ranatunga,the Military has secured the homesteads of Srilankans by clearing suicide bombs from their environment.

    They are even clearing the Praba Mines in the environment of our Tamil inhabitants.

    That is in addition to providing a descent cup of tea, and a gourmet feed of Rotti and Sambol at a reasonable price to the weary travelers on the future Northern Expressway.

    It is your Western buddies who are trying to screw our Srilankan inhabitants.

  44. Dear Wije,
    I believe what you say is SLA had superior heavy long range weapons and tanks and intelligence which gave them the edge. But in a bush war where the combatants are more or less fluid or in motion, long range weapons can be very ineffective. Tanks can easily be neutralized by mobile tank buster units of which LTTE had in plenty and once the tank is knocked out the fellows inside can get roasted alive! Although I know Indians gave intelligence, I do not think they could provide anything useful at a face to face confrontation. SLA tried to shell the LTTE out of bunkers and that failed at a great cost of human lives of non combatants (tamil civilians). Then, the only thing left was to enter the bunkers on hand to hand fighting which they did successfully. All superior weapons were useless. I know Indians provided the info on Thamilselvam who was killed by SLAF strike. Also at the start of the war after MR took over, SL forces were below par but very soon, they were as good as the LTTE or better. LTTE had the advantage of the terrain and local knowledge and their fighters could survive much longer with merger supplies compared to SLA. LTTE had certain advantages and SLA had different advantages.

    In the final days of fighting, the SL Special Forces and commandos squared off with LTTE boys and if you studied the picture, the forces were up to the mark and more. That’s why I say, the forces were commendable. But I have my respect for the LTTE boys who were unfortunately led by a murderer who knew only that.

  45. samarasekara

    My dear old chap

    Bassically you are describing a militia which was not only common through out of ancient and medieval world it was widely practiced in China and India. It was not a novel idea but tried and failed defence model.

    However, in modern times only the dictators build such a militia to protect themselves from their own people.

    I wonder why the Sinhala kings continuously “imported Mercenaries” from South India.

    Being Vedda, I am bit thick therefore I may not understand all your advanced Millitary doctrines but all what I know is that I must save my honey for the rainny days.

  46. M.Sivananthan

    Jaffna is a peninsula.

    It was a good question please ask Prabaharan about his bravados.

    When IPKF was committing atrocities in the North East where were your galland armed forces which were supposed to protect the people of the country?

    I suppose they were hiding behind their grandmas, mothers, mother in laws, aunts, sisters, sister in laws, wives, daughters, daughters in law.

    Beg your pardon they were too busy killing innocent Sinhala youth.

  47. M.Sivananthan

    Mahinda could have sent his surplus army under Namal’s command to protect his friend Ghaddafi. As merceneries they could have been gainfully employed and for every war crime committed by them would have merited a bonus perhaps in petro dollars.

    Even after paying a 10% commission on their salaries it could have been a worthwhile foreign employment.

  48. Dear Sivanathan,
    In talking about “the LTTE defeating the 4th largest Army,” first of all we must understand that the LTTE did not defeat the IPKF militarily. There were 120,000 Indian forces in the North and East. It was not because of about 2000 Indian soldiers got incapacitated the IPKF left the country.It is true they lost more soldiers than they expected and their strategy and aim of killing the LTTE Leader Prabaharan failed. Had they stayed in Sri Lanka, the war would have ended long ago and Prabaharan would have killed long before the 18th May 2009.
    The IPKF left Sri Lanka, because our late President R. Premadasa requested late Mr. Rajiv Gandhi to withdraw the IPKF. In accordance with the Agreement, Rajiv Gandhi had to withdraw his troops.
    Thus, it is understood that the statement “the LTTE defeating the 4th largest Army” is just a poetical description! I thing it is one of the false image makings the LTTE used.
    The most important thing is the LTTE convincing the President Premadasa that making peace and sending out the IPKF would be the best way for both the Sinhalese and the Tamils.
    Even here some preliminary contacts and negotiations should have gone in between President Premadasa and somebody connected with the LTTE.
    I think IPKF almost very closely rounded Pirabaharan in Vanni and he had escaped narrowly, and this only made him to agree secretly for peace talk with President Premadasa Government.

    So IPKF was not defeated militarily.It was the diplomatic move that ousted the IPKF.I would consider it as the finest diplomatic move the LTTE had ever taken.
    It is natural for a fighting side to talk like ‘defeating the 4th largest Army’ and so on. With some hidden objectives, this type of claims or praises come out.
    But we must analyze a thing scientifically. Then only we can come to a correct conclusion.

  49. Rohana says: November 9, 2011 at 9:24 am
    Why should we worry about the Sri Lanka Diaspora?
    If the Tamils and the other citizens are given all their rights, international terrorist supporters can not do anything in our country. Even the Tamils will not listen to them or worry about them.
    This is the positive way of thinking.
    Thus, the most important thing our MR Government has to do is to find a political solution wherein all the citizens of our country
    ————–
    Dear friend,

    Whether inland or goble wise tererosts activities are harmful for the furute sustanability of the country. Therefore we have to keen about it.

    The word of political solution is non meaningful thing. The most appropirate word is power develuation. All the citizion in the country are fond of power develuation Thus this must be acordance with aspiration of all people but not on few people.

    Tamil politicions seek power develuation by provincial basis,because it helps their mythical ideology sach as tamil homeland and so on, but average people are seeking power devaluation by population basis. In other words it means GRAMA RAJJYA system.

    I thing you have to a lot of reading about GRAMA RAJJYA system. In a short IT WAS THE EARLER PUBLIC CONTROL SYSTEM PREVAILLING IN OUR ISLAND AND BRITISH WHO PURPOSLY DESTROYED IT.

    samarasekara

  50. Aney Deiyane,

    100% agreed puthe “Pasqual” and beautiful “Soma”.

    Yes , Billions cannot be wrong .
    • 2 billion is still with terrorist Sri Lanka govt ( India & China)
    • 5 billion is now against terrorist Sri lanka Govt ( Except India & China .. Poor Gaddafi is long gone )

    So 3 Billions Cannot be wrong and very much so

    Get real Mallila!!

  51. Rana says:
    in the meantime these kind of busineses help army to minimise their own expenses from the income they make.

    ——————————–

    if your logic is true, then why is the defense budget increasing every year since the war ended?

  52. Certainly these personnel should use for some productive work such as agriculture work. But we have to select our business model carefully. I do not think rulers are with open mind to listen to professionals

  53. My logic is true my friend. Even if the war is over,still we[SL] face the another war internationally. Their final aim is to revive the lost revolution someday. SL government has to fight against this war and together with this cyber war and that need money. Both the government and the diaspora spending money which need to utilise for the upliftment of poor people’s lives in SL because of Stupid diaspora’s inability to understand that they neither cannot win nothing against SL nor they cannot revive the lost revolution. .

  54. Dear Rana,

    What ever u say, has no logic at all. GoSL is doing all the wrong things about the image of our country.

    GoSL will not have to waste millions on PR firms for propaganda, if they try to maintain good governance & a clean HR record post war, in SL.

    It is pathetic that the authorities take the people to a ride, including the armed forces.

    MR & his govt had the best chance post independence to build this country out of racial hatred.
    MR could have become a national leader by doing the right thing as he was popular among the masses.
    People trusted him but he had failed them now. People trusted him to put law & order in place, solve the ethnic political problem and develop this country.

    Whatever the LTTE rump & their heroics in the west, at home he had all the authority and the power to put this country back in track from where we went wrong since 1956 (language act).

    But they played in to the hands of the LTTE remnants in the diaspora.

    I feel even at this stage it is not too late to put things right.

    Also its pathetic to hear sycophantic uttering by ‘Ranas’ like you. These will not help our country to prosper.

    look at the reality and do the right thing, Govt will not lose anything.

    When people’s expectations are not met they(GoSL) will lose everything.

    The people of all races had been suffering for decades, due to the wrong decisions taken by politicians.
    We have 2nd chance to put things right. Do not hesitate to do it now. Do it for our children’s future.
    Don’t kill the messenger but hear the message of ‘goodwill’ and change your attitude.

  55. Rana says:
    (because of Stupid diaspora’s inability to understand that they neither cannot win nothing against SL nor they cannot revive the lost revolution. )

    So you say that diaspora can not revive or do anything against SL. So then why so much of fear?

    Why the militarization of the whole country?

    What ever the post war haphazard planning is going on a zigzag path.

    GoSL can do 5 things to put things back in the right path:
    1. protect the media freedom
    2. Protect the minorities by implementing the language law and providing equal rights to all citizens of SL.
    3. bring back law & order.
    4. Reduce the cabinet of ministers to maximum of 20. No perks for MPs & ministers
    5. bring back the 17th amendament.

    If possible a 7th

    Abolish the executive presidency

  56. Peoples,( gav, leo, siv et al ) ,

    Do not you think there was not any proper statergy from SL govt side in conducting this carnage other than
    “Do anything to get rid of LTTE , with least concern of Tamil civilian casualities” attitude.

    Now having achived that they seemed to have lost now as how to proceed further. They have just been bluffing for the last 30 months. It is toatl catastrophy waiting for them in not far away future .. now what they try to do is a Ghaddafi game but planned for much shorter period .. few years.. Already the clans are said to have become BILLIOnairs.

    end results as always wil be the public as loosers.. ( and possibly Ghaddafi like fate for some of them )

  57. Native Vedda says: November 9, 2011 at 7:24 pm samarasekaraMy dear old chapBassically you are describing a militia which was not only common through out of ancient and medieval world it was widely practiced in China and India.
    ————-
    Dear friend ,

    Thank you very much for your responce. I agreed with you that China followed the GRAMA RAJJA concept as it is. That’s why China people still empowered and managing muslims interference.

    But in the case of India I am affraid it was not true. If the indian people really empowered why countinously communitical riots occured. Mahathma Gandi was not succesful to intruduce man based power devaultion system but community basis. It was the loop whole of Indian model.

    On the other hand Sinhala kings continuously not“imported Mercenaries” from South India as you mensioned. Sinhalees followed SHAKYAS. I think you are aware that Sinhalsee had blod ralationship with Shakyas. So called Shakya too repblic nation which followed cluster system.

    Being accoumpanied with four hela races Sinhalees could’t follow the cluster system but they introduced GRAMA RAJJYA system. It was not imported from South India because from the begining to day South India do not have any repblic state but they got only king and subordinates system.

    From the anciant perod VEDDA did not like amalgamate into Sinhalees race. That’s why they are living with special identity but as far as their day to day living purposes they understandingly move with Sinhala people.

    But in Eastern province VEDDHA was no so lucky. In order to increase the tamil population size Ltte had abolidhed these Veddha’s identity and convert them as tamils.

    But recently Vakare Veddha arosed and asked their identity. They emphasised they are differ with eastern tamil.
    I think your honey must be utilise for their request.

    samarasekara

  58. TRN says: November 10, 2011 at 12:13 am Dear samarasekara,How pathetic that you do not know you got a tunnel vision.
    ——————–
    Dear friend,

    You require a lot reading about GRAMA RAJJA system and its development. In order to achive this target you aught to have brain and balance minnd.

    samarasekara

  59. I just read an article in IRIN Asia, http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=94176

    It says
    With job creation low, unemployment at about 20 percent and under-employment around 30 percent, cottage industries now play a vital role in generating income in the former war zone, say government officials.

    The International Labour Organization (ILO) is supporting 30 single female-headed households in the Vavuniya North region to set up home paddy parboiling operations by January 2012.

    Under the scheme, each woman will be given a grant of Rs75,000 ($680) to buy the large pots needed for the parboiling and build a small storage area.

    According to ILO officials, the women will be linked to five small mills near their villages, also supported by the organization, which will buy the paddy. A kilogramme of paddy will make them a profit of around Rs5 and the mills will buy the paddy for at least two years. ILO plans to fund 10 such mills and 60 households. )

    If interested read more on the link given above.

  60. What part you played in LTTE? Dont hide in your current name and come out with your LTTE name atleast!

    Further you cry all the time ‘Jaffna is a peninsula”. Everyone know it well but you still dont know the Jaffna islands!

    I think you met some Veddas when you hide in the bushes as an LTTE person!

  61. So if this is the way you reason, how do you propose that the Government deals with these soldiers?.Just throw them into the streets ?? In today’s world where economic realities are harsh and where millions of people worldwide are losing jobs it is better that these men who defended our country are allowed to gradually trasformed into leading civialian lives and are permitted to contribute to the country’s development by paving the way for them to earn a living rather than be ‘ forgotten’ and become a part of the history. After all SL has a remarkable growth rate of close to 8% when other countries are struggling to achieve a mere 1/2 %. Forget about the dress they wear and the rank they hold let them work and contribute. The way LTTE rumpus is amassing their resources , we might even need these battle hardened men again in the future.

    We are one of the few countries where there is an ego issue when it comes to handling certain jobs. We need cooks and beauty parlour attendants as much as we need doctors and engineers. This concept of looking down upon people by the jobs they do must come to an end if we are to be a part of the civilised society.

  62. samarasekara says:
    Therefore we are not thinking that army is the burden of our economy.

    ————

    Whom are you referring as ‘we’ ?

    Also I would like to say that you trying to live or bring back a GramaRajya concept (which was more than 1000yrs ago practiced in Lanka) is like the ‘native vedda’ fighting to get back his native land.

    Be rational man !

  63. Dudley says
    In today’s world where economic realities are harsh and where millions of people worldwide are losing jobs it is better that these men who defended our country are allowed to gradually trasformed into leading civialian lives and are permitted to contribute to the country’s development by paving the way for them to earn a living rather than be ‘ forgotten’ and become a part of the history.

    ————-

    There is a saying in sinhala that will make you see the reality. ‘polongu odokkuwe dagena, kano// kiyannepa’

    ‘when you keep vipers on your lap, know that they can bite you, when the vipers start striking you do not shout… help//’

  64. Don George says
    The reason according to me is GOSL is concerned there may be another internal threat. It is very difficult to train people again but very easy to maintain the existing forces.

    Indian forces have the numbers but not the recent combat experience and in war it’s not numbers which necessarily count but the tactics and experience.

    ____________________

    Dear Friend,

    Your logic does not hold ground.

    So when will this internal threat of re emergence of terrorist/LTTE is expected or most possible?

    If/when ever it emerges will our soldiers be, as u call it with’recent combat experience’?

    The maintenance of the army is not in fear of a threat by re-emergence of LTTE. It is to keep any internal force against the GoSL in check.

    Don’t think the public will be gullible for too long. you will not be able to fool all the people all the time.

  65. What Jehan needs to realise is that no sensible govt. will reduce/ down-size the armed forces or aggressively withdraw these forces from an area of the country which has witnessed 30 plus years of brutal conflict so soon in the piece. The scars of war run ‘long’ and ‘deep’, not only for people in north and east , but also for those living in the rest of the country.The people in the south would never wish for a return to those dark days of war and bloodshed and i’m sure the people in the north and east have that same wish. I think the military presence in the north and east while this may be awkward right now, is a little bit of sacrifice for the greater cause of maintaining peace and security for all.

    The civilian responsibilities that the military is taking on, while it could be looked at negatively( as Jehan does), I also think that there could be some positive outcomes as well.

    It’s keeping a large percentage of people employed and productive.It’s better to utilise these personel for maintenance of infrastructure like roads, drainage systems, stadiums, tourism, construction and so on because the alternative is that tens of thousands of people with military training will wake up the next day ‘unemployed’ and out on the streets.This will spiral into economic frustrations and eventually society will be dealing with high percentages of ‘militarised’ crime.
    If the govt. is going to continue paying their salaries anyway, then rather than them idling their time in barracks, we might as well utilise their labour and expertise towards development.Most of us would agree that many of these forces personel are gifted with tremendous abilities and technical skills. It would be a real waste if we did not tap into these skills.
    Most of us will agree that since these people come from a military background, if nothing else, they are trained to follow orders and they have a much greater degree of discipline which is severely lacking in civilian society in general.This may be the reason why colombo is a much cleaner city today and there seems to be a systematic process in place to remove garbage in a timely manner.There has to be a disciplined authority to do the ‘checks and balances’.

    We should also realise that each military person is most probably responsible for feeding and financially supporting 4-5 members of his/her family with the salary he/she earns.We as a nation will be saddled with an enormous socio-economic crisis if the govt. suddenly deprived tens of thousands of military personel of continued employment and more importantly their salaries.
    In closing, I would just like to say that I am very disappointed that Jehan Perera who is supposed to be a peace advocate, has still not realised that if he truly wishes for peace, unity , prosperity and justice for all, then he should change his mindset first and accept that this could only be achieved by a process of national integration,where everybody is considered to be Sri Lankan first and foremost and where we will not talk in terms of tamil, sinhala or any other traditional lands.Any Sri Lankan should have the right to live and conduct their business in any part of this beautiful island and the laws of the land should protect each and every sri lankan to the same degree. That is my wish.

  66. In the olden days, when the nation was not at war the army was used to plow the fields and repair the tanks.. This is the modern day continuation of that age old trend..

    Jehan Perera cannot expect the military to pack up and leave, and let his separatist buddies rule the roost unhindered like the good ole pre-2009 days.. SL learnt the hard way the perils of having just a small sized ceremonial military..

    Even in places like USA and Australia, the military has quasi-commercial ventures such as entertainment complexes, souvenir shops and tourist lodgings (not at the scale seen in SL of course).. As long as there is competitive civilian market and no military monopoly there is nothing wrong in such ventures..

    Over the next few years military presence in the former conflict zones will decrease gradually.. And as time goes on there will be more Tamils in the military as well..

  67. Dear Jazz,

    I’m sure you are from the armed forces or closely associated with them.
    The length & breath you go to defend them and teach Jehan that his opinion is not sound makes us think you are biased in your opinion.

    The most logical reasons for maintaining the armed forces in post war SL are:

    1. Is to keep any internal force against the GoSL in check. As re-emergence of LTTE in N&E is an unfounded
    fear.
    2. Military dictatorship will be an inevitable eventuality when the public support diminishes to the present regime in the future.

    No guarantee that the history will not repeat again. Using the armed forces to ruthlessly control any anti GOSL uprising ( be it violent /non violent).
    Especially the student movements will be the first victims. Then the media, then the HR movements…. list can continue.

    So think twice before defending this policy. We need to restore the democracy & law & order with police froce not armed forces.

  68. samarasekara

    Please let me get it right.

    You are closely related Buddha.

    You may be the descentant of Ravana even a distant cousin of Krishna.

    You may be a close relative of Vijaya.

    You may also be related to two Dutta Gaminis of Sri Lanka.

    You may be related to my people.

    You say
    “But recently Vakare Veddha arosed and asked their identity. They emphasised they are differ with eastern tamil”.

    That is the whole purpose of our struggle. We are neither Tamils nor Sinhalese.

    You seemed to be proud of your “SHAKYAS” lineage, why don’t you take your people back to your former kingdom claim your throne?

    Let us have our land back.

  69. The pakshas are scared if they send them home without proper jobs and money, they will all turn against them and let every one know exactly how the war was ‘won’.

    It will be a war crimes fiesta. Also, jobless heroes, probably (like vietnam vets in america) be drinking, doing drugs and messing up villages.

    Its probably not a bad idea to have them look after cricket grounds and give foot massages and gently ease them back into society!

    send them home and pay them the same salary and risk them turning against you – or keep them and get them to do some work… the choice is obvious.

  70. Native Vedda says:
    November 11, 2011 at 11:56 pm
    samarasekara

    Please let me get it right.You seemed to be proud of your “SHAKYAS” lineage, why don’t you take your people back to your former kingdom claim your throne?

    Let us have our land back.
    —————
    Dear friend,

    Your reply it self proved that half knowledge so danger. Why don’t you trying to improve your knowledge.

    You ought to know that 4 helas comprised YAKSHA,NAGA,DEVA,RASSHA races amalgamatet with VIJAYA’S successors. It was in king PANDUKABAYA eare. At that time VEDDHA did not like to participate with these group. They liked to stay seperately. So Sinhala people did not object their thought. They do not trying to amalgamate Veddha into sinhala race. That’s why even today they have their own identity, but this aspect did not materialised in Eastern province where majority was tamil.

    Shakyas knew that after their defeat the salvation was in Sri lanka within the sinhala commmunity. That’s why king Dharmasoka sent his own son, daughter, grand son and so on here. They all became Sinhala.

    Your reply seem to be that the VEDDHA was the sole propwrtier of the island. It was wronged. FOUR HELA were the propwriters of this island. RAVANA too one of HELA. Perhaps you may not known that there were 10 RAVANAS.

    samarasekara

    You require learn a lot.

    samarasekara

  71. TRN says: November 10, 2011 at 11:07 pm Dear Samare,Your balanced mind is aparent, from your arrogance towards others who are non sinhalese.
    ————–
    Dear Friend,

    I am trying to elloraborate true nothing but true. Truth always not comprises with good taste.

    samarasekara

  72. Dear Jazz,

    I’m sure you are from the armed forces/ closely related.

    What Jehan is critical about is not the maintenance of armed forces but the armed forces getting involved in civilian activities.

    The Armed forces personnel do not have to wake up unemployed. They can be given an early retirement option. Also they could be given easy payment loan schemes to build up their own business after voluntary retirement.

    There are many other options to let the army & other war veterans to leave the military in a dignified manner.

    Today I had a stroll at the independence square. There were many young armed forces men working to clean the place. Sweeping, cutting the grass and basically doing the laborers work. I addition to the 6-8 young men there were 2 CMC orange shirt workers doing the cleaning job too.

    The young men did not look very happy or enthusiastic to do the job along the CMC cleaning service.
    It is indeed sad that if they had been involved in the war once and did their duty, now they have to clean the road for us.

    If the army does this, then all govt servants should do part of keeping the city/country clean job as compulsory ! Yes this will be very productive.
    If u go 2 a govt office most of the time they are having breakfast, tea or lunch.
    Get all the govt servants to clean their surrounding then no need of local govt authorities either.

    Do not misuse the obedience of the soldier to a level of abusing his dignity.

  73. Hiranthi
    We really enjoyed it when these young ,handsome, brave men washed our feet, put oil and massaged , cut our toe nails, rubbed our foot and then put lotion on our feet and painted our toe nails. They even put on our footwear on our feet
    ————————————————

    Good competition for james thenuwara and Lk sword.They must have rushed their applications to the armed forces.

  74. I agree with everything that you have said.It is like in ancient times when there were no standing armies and when the king needed men to fight they all came from all walks of life.There was a core standing army that did not do anything but protect the king and country,but the other soldiers were usually farmers,because you had to feed the people too.However with todays yield per acre increasing many fold maybe that worry of feeding the people is not that critical.

    However the most important thing as you rightly point out is not to discard these men who did their job so well in protecting the country.Hiring and firing is the western way and we should not go on that path.Our eastern cultures are much better and we will first and foremost try to see how to protect these peoples jobs.

    It does not matter who provides services to the people as long as they are provided efficiently and with customer conciousness.Gota is trying something radical and we should not jump on someone everytime they innovate.Our ancient civilisation is proof that we can do things that are the first of its kind and we ahve to have confidence in ourslves.Try something and if it does not work out then discard it,but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by saying that innovation in administrative prcatice is not permissable.

    The danger here is that one day we could end up being dominated by the military. We do have a recourse to the ballot if we find it insufferable.Unfortunately the ballot is a long way off and in the meantime we would have to absorb the losses to society gritting our teeh,if indeed the innovation does not work and the president does not do anything to rectify the situation.So it might be better to at least bring all elections one year earlier so that people could give their verdict whether they like military/civilian administration mix to only civilian administration.So far the civilian administration has been so horrible i am sure the diciplined and relatively honest military will do a better job,but the danger is that we may one day lose our freedoms,so the ballot has to be brought forward because that is the only way the poor civilian can say “i have had enough”.

  75. DBSJ

    When you read the previous comment of dudley and cuttige,you can see that they have so succintly shown the two sides of the coin for an important development in the country.The comments are not long, very incisive and practical and makes you think.I thought a lot about their views and agreed with dudley(forgot to mention his name in my comment)but also took into consideration the danger that cuttige so eloquently mentioned with his polonga comment.So these comments do make us think about both sides of the argument.I know it can be very frustrating for you when you read the comments at the opposite end of no relevance and insults,but for the sake of the good ones you should persevere.Try to keep the baby and throw out the bathwater,because i feel sorry for having to see you use that bathwater too.By omitting such comments completely without mentioning that you are deleting them,the message will be conveyed to the person that they have to improve.Improvement of the comments section is what is needed,not discarding because it fulfills a vital role in making us think by arguing and also seeing the other persons point of view.If two different views on this comments section cannot meet in the middle and compromise,how can we expect the rest of the country to do so,when the commentators here are supposed to be the educated intelligent part of our society.One problem with our stubborn srilankans is they stick to their guns and will not compromise and move on to other matters come what may.

  76. Hiranthi kella

    I read your comment and understood your feelings. I am touched by the fact that you respect our valiant heroes so much and feel uncomfortable about them doing a pedicure for your feet and acting like your foot servants

    Have no worries Hiranthi.There is nothing wrong in the brave sons who fought reolutely to safeguard their “mother”(Sri Lanka) sering their true daughters like you

    Believe me when I say that I am also a valiant son of Lanka who will fiercely cut enemies of the state with my sword when necessary but will also with opposite gentleness attend tenderly to the fair and lovely feet of our dames and damsels

    Likewise our brave heroes who fought hard on battle field are showing their soft side to beautiful girls like you. It is a pleasure and privilege for them to wash,massage,rub and apply perume to your dainty feet and pedicure and paint the nails of your pretty feet. It gives them great satisfaction

    So dont fret too much. Go and frequent those places lots of times.You will make our boys happy as well as have dainty,pretty,fair and lovely feet

    If you do as I ask I will give special treat by kissing, licking and sucking your lovely ,dainty feet.

    This is a solemn promise sworn on my sword

  77. Dear Cuttige,
    Just to make it official, no I’m not from the forces nor am I closely related. And going by your theory, if I was from the forces, then why would I continue to ‘misuse my obedience to a level of abusing my dignity’?

    In any issue, there are the pros and cons and it’s always advisable to weigh them adequately and with a clear perspective.

    I would like to begin by saying that i have no influence whatsoever on govt. policy making. If govt. policy is to continue maintaining the strength of the armed forces, then, we as a society need to figure out how to get the optimum from such policy for the greater good of the country.It was only in that context that I made my comments.

    I would also like to add that I do not judge peoples dignity by their profession or by the ‘size of their wallets’. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to judge people by their character and their sense of ethics and morals and basically what values they choose to live life by. However, I do realise that this is a real cultural weakness in our country. In western countries,people who collect garbage, clean roads & drainage systems are paid just as much as engineers and doctors. Could you imagine the social and health implications if people stopped collecting garbage, cleaning roads and drainage systems because those jobs seemed ‘undignfied’? We need people to do these jobs because what they do contributes to us leading a certain quality of life. To me, it’s not a question of ‘dignity’, but rather of ‘appreciation’.

    As for your comments about the govt. servants, I am with you 100%.If the civilians in our society played their part and did their jobs efficiently, then maybe the question of military personel doing civilian jobs would not have arisen in the first place.

  78. soma

    Dear Gobi what do you propose to do with the Tamils in Colombo district and upcountry estates?
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    keep them with you.After all they are well behaved guests aren’t they?

  79. sivananthan

    don’t deliberately mislead as usual.That is the 60000 deserters.5000 owe the army,so they have to settle first.balance 55000 will be discharged.

  80. kanthasamy

    I think you hit the nail on the head,but i also think gota wants to get involved in the administration ofthe country in some way or other because he has no work now as defence secretary,and he has a inherent dislike for politicians and the corrupted and indiciplined public service,and likes the armed forces to do the work.So the rajapakshes are killing 2 birds with one stone as you rightly pointed out about war crimes etc,and a idle mind can become a devils workshop as maru sira pointed out.

  81. siva

    Fooooool.A deserter is still supposed to be in active service.He left illegally.The army did not release him.So in their records he is still in service,but not under their operational command at the moment because they don’t know where he is..Do you think the army is just like any other employment.Don’t cry like a fool and bark like a baby.

  82. samarasekera

    [You ought to know that 4 helas comprised YAKSHA,NAGA,DEVA,RASSHA races amalgamatet with VIJAYA’S successors. It was in king PANDUKABAYA eare. At that time VEDDHA did not like to participate with these group. They liked to stay seperately.]
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    Samarasekera,you are right when you say that the 4 hela tribes consisted of raksha,yaksha,naga and deva.Where you are wrong is when you say the veddhas were seperate to them.They were not.There were no tribe called vedhas at that time in ancient srilanka.Only yakshas,rakshas nagas and devas. The people we call the veddhas now are the descendents of these 4 tribes,and are referred to as veddhas,because maybe now we can’t identify them with any of those particular 4 tribes,but we know that they are the aboroginal inhabitants of the island.

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    [Your reply seem to be that the VEDDHA was the sole propwrtier of the island. It was wronged. FOUR HELA were the propwriters of this island. RAVANA too one of HELA. Perhaps you may not known that there were 10 RAVANAS]
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    From my previous expalnation,you can see that the veddhas are indeed the sole proprioters because they are the descendents of the original inhabitants.All srilankans accept this and i don’t know why you are trying to mislead and rewrite history here.
    You are right that ravan was a hela tribe member.In fact he was a raksha.However about having 10 ravanas i think that must be mythical,just like saying he had a plane like thing too fly.The mahabaratha spices up things to make it interesting i suppose, so you have to take its contents with a pinch of salt,and just use it to get an overall picture of history,not in depth one.

  83. “The length & breath you go to defend them and teach Jehan that his opinion is not sound makes us think you are biased in your opinion.”

    Hmm, so being detailed and articulate in one’s argument means one is biased? What an excellent analysis. Hey, Jazz, why don’t you just use cliches, jingoism, and general ignorance like most of the people here so that they’ll be convinced how unbiased, balanced, and neutral you are. 😀

  84. TRN

    Out of 70 votes srilanka got 27 and australia got 43.That is nearly 40 percent of the votes.something like what fonseka got at the presidential election.That is not bad when you think that we were up against a country that already had most of the facilities in place.The hassle of continously going after srilanka to complete the facilities would have cheesed out the 43 that voted for australia.If about 8 of those had moved the other way then it would have been a tie.

    Instead of taking all these men if srilanka followed non discriminatory policies and took half the entourage as women we may have been able to swing that 9 votes towards us. Instead of all this pasty faced characters like cabraal,if more anarkali’s and stepahnie siriwardena’s were taken what a difference it would have made.Obviuosly the food made a differnce,what if we had taken all the teledrama actresses who are plying their trade a t rupees 5000 a shot there.You can see the old coot dancing with anarkali,how happy he is.What the hell,he will think,before dying i will give the vote to srilanka,because they have made me so happy and made my last hurrah.

    Any way in a way it is worthwile they took cabraal instead of a beautiful woman,because you need someone to do the final analysis on what went wrong.As he summed it up after gouging himself,”srilanka lost because australia got more votes”.Thank god,at least we know now why we lost,so that we will be ready the next time around.

    Stubborn srilanka will never give up now until commonwealth games are one day held in hambantota.It will be held if it is the last thing we do.

  85. david

    wherein was it said as such?

    Good to see that you are using your imagination,because last time we met you did not have much faith in the human mind,however do not let your imagination run riot.

    By the way,what is the oldest profession in the world?Not in srilanka only,but in the world.

    how and why did it originate.Isn’t it because there is a inherent weakness in men that can be easily exploited.For example the chinese miner is underground the whole day covered in dust and risking his life.When he pops out of the mine,the chinese girls are there waiting and take his pay without hardly a sweat in it for them.They just smile.make him feel like he is special and a king and hey presto,no need to go into that mine like a fool.

  86. and david,you have been in the battlefield too long.If i could only meet you,i could show how making love and not war,can get you most anything you want,that is of course if you don’t mind a older lady who is over the hill,but still good enough to thrill.

  87. If you didn’t mean that SL women are only useful as courtesans on such a trip, why did you say this: “what if we had taken all the teledrama actresses who are plying their trade a t rupees 5000 a shot there.You can see the old coot dancing with anarkali,how happy he is.What the hell,he will think,before dying i will give the vote to srilanka,because they have made me so happy and made my last hurrah.”?

    Your example of the Chinese women is equally a disservice to hard working Chinese women who do a lot more for their country than servicing the male workers who bring home the bread for the women. I must say that the elite Colombo school you claim to have gone to has been wasted on you.

    I have lots of faith in the human mind, but I have no faith in fantasy as an alternative to fact when analysing politics and current affairs.

  88. And flattered as I am at your offer, I believe the power of the mind is superior in debate than the power of the body. Are you confirming that physical pleasure is all a woman has to offer when the chips are down?

  89. David

    Try the japanese geisha and see how physical pleasure is not the only thing a lass can offer.The top Japanese executive goes and spends hours and hours with her after a hard days work.All his work problems are temporarily washed away with the physical/mental pleasure he receives.Do try it one day when you visit japan and it will be an unforgettable experience provided you have chosen the right geisha.

  90. david

    If you didn’t mean that SL women are only useful
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    It is the word”only” that you have used which i am disputing your analogy.I have merely given one of the skills that beautiful women are capable of.If i try to give you all it will be time consuming exercise as the list is endless. Women have charm as well as a mind too remember.Opposites attract they say and a man will find it much more pleasurable to talk with and appreciate the mind of a beautiful woman,than a chat with his own gender which will invariably degenate into a discussion on money and power.

    We have a abundance of beautiful women.Why take out of a entourage of 160,about 150 men?I’am guessing of course on the figure based on my knowledge of the male domination prevalent in srilanka and the final results we achieved in our bid for the games.Don’t you think we should have taken at least 80 beautiful women,some with the teledrama actress skills,some with various other skills too.After all when you are spending 880 million rupees to try to beat gold coast,might as well do it properly no?What is the advantages we have over australia.Obviuosly the first one that comes to mind are our really effeminate beautiful woman,compared to the aggressive looking aussie bitches.

  91. david,as for the chinese woman,again your imagination is running riot.I gave an example of what is happening in the minefields of china,not a description of what is happening all over it.

  92. Come on David,
    Shankar is sarcastic nothing else.

    I also agree with you that ‘I have lots of faith in the human mind, but I have no faith in fantasy as an alternative to fact when analysing politics and current affairs.’

    It would have been much better if our officials acted with ground realities and true facts on the current issues like the commonwealth games bid.

    They acted if as they live the ‘fantasy island’ & wasted public money.

    I think this is not the forum to discuss on that issue as we are derailing from DBSJ’s article.

  93. I don’t think it is necessary to pay for the girlfriend experience, in Japan or anywhere else. With every comment you make, Shankar, you continue to disparage women, and show them to be incapable of anything beyond servitude to me. What is sad (or amusing, depending on one’s viewpoint) is that you are quite oblivious to what you’re doing. If you hadn’t already claimed to be a woman, I would have pegged you as a chauvinistic man 😀

  94. “It is the word”only” that you have used which i am disputing your analogy.”

    Since the only examples you have given as reasons why women should have been taken along are those that involve dancing and “5,000-rupee shots”, that is what I understand you to mean. You don’t have to list all the qualities, just the ones relevant to the subject under discussion. i pointed this out to you when you were arguing that women are better leaders than men, but it seems the point was wasted on you.

    The same goes for your Chinese example. You pick an extreme situation that has no realistic representation to the average, use it as an argument, and then backtrack when challenged on it.

  95. david

    service and servitude are two different things.We all,whether man or women,provide services,with what we have to offer,which is usually our labour and skills.When i enumerate to you the services that women provide,you immediatly jump to the conclusion that it is servitude.For example if you don’t behave with the utmost courtesy and manners with the geisha she will have you thrown out ,money and all.She takes great pride in her pprofession that also includes dancing and singing and is trained froma young age until she qualifies to become a fully fledged geisha.

    The way you jump to conclusions so quickly about services given by women to men as servitude,i would have thought you were a person who gets services out of women using domination.However i remember you told me you had worked under many women bosses,so it can’t be that you are that kind of a man,unless of course the reason you have worked under so many women bosses and not just one or two,is because you were finding it difficult to work under their authority and had to change jobs frequently as a result.You sound like a guy in your forties,the reason being you are neither here nor there,neither old or young,and i don’t see why you have had to work under so many women bosses if you had a good relationship with them.

  96. Now the diaspora are fighting over the ‘brutal’ terrorists money. Running credit card scams, prostitution rings, people smuggling etc. Almost every Sri Lankan arrested in UK or Canada turns out to be a Tamil. Check it yourself on Google. Meanwhile the proud soldiers are now proud businessmen.

  97. I will not even attempt to engage with your presumptions on my personal life except to say that most of your comments here are based on such fantasies instead of reality. But back to the point. You didn’t bring in the geisha until challenged. The examples you gave were the “5,000 rupees a shot” teledrama actresses and the Chinese woman; both basically engaging in acts of “service” only in the broadest of terms. If you now wish to engage in semantics and denials, go for it. I was just pointing out that you are indeed a far greater threat to women achieving equality and respect than any man here on this forum.

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