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Many of you would have read part one of JL Devananda’s article posted on my blog under the heading “I DID NOT SAY MAHANAMA THERO WAS A RACIST OR THE MAHAVAMSA WAS A RACIST DOCTRINE”.

I am now posting the second and concluding part of the article with the expectation that the process of unlearning and re-learning would continue in the ensuing debate

Here is the second part DBS Jeyaraj

“NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY DUTUGEMUNU WAS A SINHALA”

By J.L. Devananda

(A Response (Part 2): “Mahavamsa Mentality”; Can the charge of “Racism” leveled against the chronicle be sustained?)

3. Imagined ‘Tamil Presence’ or ‘Sinhala Presence’?
Mr. Bandu De Silva begins by saying; I have presented a picture of an ‘imagined Tamil presence’ in the country in the past comparable to the weight of preponderant evidence of the existence of Sinhala element to this day.

3.1. Tamil Presence

Even though I only commented about the presence of Dameda in Akitti Jataka, Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka. These inscriptions refer to the Dameda Vishaka (Tamil merchant), the Dameda Samana (Tamil householder), and Dameda Navika (Tamil sailor). There are enough of ancient archaeological evidence in Sri Lanka such as Brahmi stone inscriptions, cave writings, etc where the terms ‘Dameda’, ‘Damela’, ‘Damila’, ‘Demel’ are mentioned as a group of people living in the island. During Sena I ((833-853) and Kassapa IV (899-914), there are definite epigraphic reference to Tamil villages and lands, Demel-Kaballa (Tamil allotment), Demelat-valademin (Tamil lands), Demel-gam-bim (Tamil villages & lands), Demal-Kinigam, Demelin-hetihaya, etc. The presence of Tamils in the island Sri Lanka in the early historic period is not denied even in the Pali chronicles.

The present day historian Prof. Sudharshan Seneviratne says, “there is no mention of the word Sihala or Sinhala ethnicity in the thousand odd short inscriptions that come to us from this period, but on the contrary, a vast majority of the host of clan names and titles that we come across in these inscriptions only show affinities with the clans of the ancient Tamil country”.

3.2. Lack of Sinhala Presence

As I clearly said in my article with sufficient reasoning, thousands of Prakrit (Sanskrit) stone inscriptions written in Brahmi script have been discovered during the early period, but not a single archaeological/epigraphical evidence has been found within or outside Sri Lanka to prove ‘Hela’ or ‘Sihala’ or ‘Sinhala’ existed until the 8th/9th century AD. Most probably, the Hela/Sinhala race would have started evolving (assimilating the Buddhist Nagas, Damelas, and others) only from the 5th/6th century AD after the foundation was laid by the Mahavihara Buddhist monks and the Theravada Buddhist kings. Since there was NO Sinhala in Sri Lanka until the Mahavihara monks mentioned it for the first time in the 5th/6th century AD, in order to create the Sinhala identity (to sustain Buddhism in Lanka) the term Sinhala may have been adopted from the Indian epic Mahabharata which predates the Mahavansa by many centuries. The Mahabharata talks of Sinhalas as the barbarous mlecchas, the natives of Lanka in its Book 1, Chapter 177, in Book 2, Chapter 33 & 51, and in Book 7, Chapter 20. However, the Sinhalas mentioned in the Mahabharata is totally different from the Sinhalas that the Mahavihara monks created (Lion myth) in the 5th century AD. A Tamil inscription found in a Hindu temple in South India during the Rajaraja Chola 1 (10th/11th AD) also has a very similar statement like what was found in the Mahabaratha with a slight variation, referring to Lanka it say, ‘the land of the warlike Singalas’.

This is what B. C. Law says referring to the authors of these Chronicles –

“They offer a cheap fantastic explanation for the origin of the name of the Island ‘Sinhala’ because of Vijaya’s father Sihabahu since he had slain the lion”. (B. C. Law, ibid. p. 49). The probability is that this ‘fantastic explanation’ is the result of an interpolation crudely effected during the period the Tika was composed (circa XIII C). Besides this single Ola manuscript, ‘not more than 200 years old’ we have no other copies to check the authenticity of its contents.

Strangely, Buddha did not direct Vijaya to the Nagas who had been so friendly to the Buddha when he visited the island just a few decades before Vijaya’s landing? Soon after arrival, Vijaya and his followers were among the Yakkhas. But they did not mix with the local tribes, instead brought brides from Pandiya kingdom. Therefore the Sinhalese cannot be called Boomiputhra (sons of the soil) as some of the present day Sinhalese claim. Buddhism was introduced to the island only two centuries later. Ven. Mahanama does not seem to have noticed the contradiction.

Some historians and scholars have noted that some sections of the Mahavamsa deviates from the rest of Ven. Mahanama’s work in style and content. The manner in which it is introduced gives the impression that it is a later interpolation. They believe that, the version of the Mahavamsa that the British found in the 19th century and translated into English, German and finally to Sinhala was the modified/revised version composed during the period when Tika was composed and the original Mahavamsa what Ven. Mahanama composed is either lost or destroyed.

Mahavamsa has written 11 chapters to praise the Buddhist King DutuGemunu, but unfortunately not a single word ‘Sinhala/Hela’ was found where as his Naga ancestral relationship is very clearly given. Before marching against Elaro he declared his object to be ‘the restoration of the religion’ and proclaimed ‘I fight not for dominion but for the sake of the religion of Buddha.’ The kingdom of Anuradapura was never known as Sinhala kingdom and none of the kings of Anuradapura called themselves as Sinhala.

The early foreign traders from Arabia, Persia, Rome, China and so on called Sri Lanka by many different names but NONE of them mentioned about the existence of a Sinhala Kingdom or a Sinhala nation. Not a single stone inscription/rock edict of neighboring India (either South or North) that was always associated with the island’s history mentioned about a Sinhala Kingdom or a Sinhala nation in Sri Lanka.

There is no doubt that the ethnic identity ‘Hela/Sihala’ found in inscriptions for the first time in 9th century AD evolved in Sri Lanka and nowhere else, so did their language ‘Elu/Helu’ and later ‘Sinhala’ but as I said, before 9th century AD, the term Hela/Sinhala was not found in anywhere.

Therefore, the concepts of a fully evolved ‘thoroughbred Hela/Sinhala race’ and a ‘thoroughbred spoken/written Elu/Helu/Sihala language’ before the 9th century AD are pure assumptions and cannot be proved. The form Hela appears for the first time for the geographical identity of the island in 8th century AD Sigiri Graffiti and Elu/Helu for the name of the language only after the 9th century AD Sinhala literature. The earliest Elu/Helu writings such as Siyabaslakara and Elu Sandas Lakuna do not lead us beyond the 9th Century AD. There was NO Elu/Hela/Sinhala literary work (other than Pali) found before this period. (Elu Bodhi Vamsa, Elu Akaradiya, Elu Hathvanagalu Vansaya, Elu Umanda, Elu Daladavansa Kavya, Elu Silowa, Elu Silo Sathakaya, Helusuthra etc were all written very much later).

On the other hand, the Sri Lankan Tamil writings/literature was all done after the 13th century AD. Vaiya was a historian who penned the poem “para-rasa-sekaran-ula” and the chronicle “Rasa-murai”, written in the reign of king Seka-rasa-sekaran. Another known work was Vai-iai Padal and later work Vaipava-Malai and Kailaya Malai. Most of them were written as ala books made of Palmirah leaves. The writings in many cases were indistinct and were waiting for a proper interpretation and translation. They were carefully preserved in the Jaffna library until the modern Dutta-Gamini burnt them to ashes.

For those who believe in the weak argument by Prof. Paranavitana (a Sinhala biased researcher whose views were always one sided) who assumes that the dominant group of the kingdom ruled by the Anuradapura kings were all Sinhalese and that any ruler other than a Sinhalese in control of Anuradapura was a foreigner, in other words, he assumed like every other present day Sinhalese that since antiquity, Sinhala happened to be the norm in the country and no one bothered mentioning it. Very strangely, after the 9th century AD, they kept mentioning the word ‘Hela’ at many places (after it appeared in inscriptions) and after 12th century AD the word Sinhala is mentioned everywhere, and today they are the dominant group but they keep on mentioning it all the time (as I said in my article, not only Sinhala Vedakama /medicine or Sinhala Avurudda/new year but even roof tiles are labeled after Sinhala).

3.3. Sinhala and Demela

Until the 10th century AD, the people in the island irrespective of their racial background were scattered all over the island with the Tamil settlements (Demel-gam-bim) more towards Rajarata (North of Anuradapura and close to Polonnaruva). According to the historian Dr. M. Gunasingham, from around 10th to 13th century A.D, (Subsequent to the Cola domination of Sri Lanka in the 10th century A.D), people who identified themselves as Buddhists and Hela/Sihala shifted their seats of rule from the ancient kingdoms of Anuradapura/ Polonnaruva towards South, West and Central Sri Lanka while the people who identified themselves as Saiva and Demela moved their ruling structures from these same regions to the North and East of the island.

With the archaeological findings till today, the historians believe that the permanent Tamil settlement in the North & East and the permanent Sinhalese settlement in South, West and Central started taking place only after the 10th century AD. According to the research done by the historian Prof. Leslie Gunawardane, the Sinhala speaking people were considered as a nation only after the westerners came to this part of the world.

Since, there was neither a separate Tamil Nation/kingdom nor a separate Sinhala Nation/kingdom in Sri Lanka (neither North nor South) before the 13th Century AD; it is meaningless to talk about a continuous existence of Sinhalese/Tamils or a separate ‘Sinhalese-Buddhist’ or ‘Tamil-Hindu’ identity in Sri Lanka in the pre 12-13th century AD period. Tamils may have lived in the North & East and many other places in Sri Lanka for many thousands of years just like the Veddhas but, the Northern (Jaffna) kingdom was established only in 1215 AD by Kalinga Magha who adopted the name Segarajasekeran Singhai Ariyachakravarthi on coronation. Similarly, the Southern kingdoms (Gampola, Dambadeniya, Kotte, Kandy, etc) were also established during and after the 13th century AD. Only after this period that the Southern kingdoms such as Kotte and Kandy (not Jaffna) were known as ‘Sinhale’ (not the whole country) even though some parts of the Tamil areas in North and East also came under the Sinhala kingdom of Kandy. (Kandy was mostly ruled by the foreigners, the Kalingas of South-East India and the Nayakkars of South India). Also, the term ‘Sinhale’, appeared only in the 12th Century AD Chulavamsa and not in Deepavamsa or Mahavamsa.

In the Dutugemunu-Elara episode, the Mahavamsa says, Dutugemunu had to conquer not just one Tamil king (Elara) but 32 Tamil Chieftains around the Anuradhapura principality alone. He also killed around sixty thousand Tamils in the war. How could there be 32 Tamil chieftains in the area of Anuradhapura alone. Even if the Dutugemunu-Elara war is a myth, his writing proves (did not deny) the Tamil settlements (Demel-gam-bim) in Anuradapura? Similarly, King Valgambha had to fight seven Pandian chieftains to reassume sovereignty at Anuradhapura.

The Sinhalese Nampota dated in its present form to the 14th century AD suggests that the whole of the Tamil Kingdom, including parts of the modern Trincomalee district, was recognized as a Tamil region by the name Demala-pattanama (Tamil city). In this work, a number of villages that are now situated in the Jaffna, Mullaitivu and Trincomalee districts are mentioned as places in Demala-pattanama.

Even during the recent past, in 17th century AD (colonial period), Rajarata (Anuradapura) was inhabited by Tamils as per the book written by Robert Knox who was the prisoner in Kandy. When he escaped from prison, he had to go through several places and when he came to Anuradapura, he says it was fully occupied by Tamils (NOT Sinhalese).

This is what Robert Knox says, when he visited Anuradapura in 1679,
“The people stood amazed as soon as they saw us, being originally Malabars, though subjects of Kandy. Nor could they understand the Sinhalese language in which we spake to them, and we stood looking one upon another until there came one that could speak the Sinhalese tongue who asked us, from whence we came? We told them from Kandy, but they believed us not, supposing that we came up from the Dutch from Mannar. So they brought us before their Governor. He not speaking Sinhalese spake to us by an interpreter.” (Robert Knox in the Kandyan Kingdom, Ed. E.F.C.Ludowyk, p 50).

When the Europeans (Portuguese, Dutch and British) arrived, what all of them clearly observed and experienced during their period was that, there were two different ethnic groups (Sinhalese and Tamils) having two different languages, religions, cultures, and living in two well defined and clearly and naturally demarcated (thick jungles, lakes, river, etc) land areas with their own kingdoms within their lands. The Tamils lived as a majority within their land area (North & East) and the Sinhalese also lived as a majority within their land area (South, West & Central). The Portuguese and the Dutch ruled Jaffna as a separate entity (as they found it) without amalgamating it with the Sinhalese areas. The British, on seeing the naturally existing borders of the two ethnic groups used their technology to demarcate them as two separate regions (occupied by two separate races) and created the maps for the first time somewhere in the 1800s.

The British also maintained the separate entity of the Tamils until 1833 at which year they unified the Tamil and Sinhalese regions for the purpose of administration.

There are many proofs to establish that Tamil was the main language even during the time the Portuguese landed. For example, the king of Kotte, Bhuvanehabahu VII signed the treaty with the Portuguese in Tamil. H.W. Codrington has stated that “there can be little doubt that the Jaffna Kingdom was for a time paramount in the low-country of Ceylon (his book short history of Ceylon) and the Tamils “had been the court language of the Kings of Kotte” Scholars like H L Seneviratne pointed out that many of the Kandyan chieftains signed the 1815 Convention (treaty with the British) in Tamil.

Based on the fact that there is no archeological evidence of a permanent Tamil kingdom or settlement in the North East before the 12th century AD, while rejecting the Tamil claim as a myth, the Sinhalese who also do not have any evidence of a permanent Sinhalese kingdom or settlement before the 12th century AD are trying to establish a Sinhala Buddhist hegemonic (unitary) state based on a mythical doctrine right from the day we gained independence.

In this never ending process of learning, I will be one of the happiest persons if someone can enlighten me by disproving the above with some archeological/epigraphic facts/evidence (not assumptions/hypothesis) to prove the existence of Hela/Sinhala before the 9th century AD.

Strangely, the learned gentleman Mr. Bandu De Silva says, I have presented a picture of an ‘imagined Tamil presence’ in the country in the past comparable to the weight of preponderant evidence of the existence of Sinhala element. I will leave it to the intelligent readers to decide.

4. Mahavamsa Myth and its Implications in today’s context

Mr. Bandu De Silva’s main argument was how Mahavamsa can be connected to the present ethnic issue/debate and how it can be attributed to the present day ultra-nationalist chauvinism in Sri Lanka. Even though I have said enough on this issue (above) and in my article, how the present day Sinhala-Buddhists accrued the Mahavamsa mindset (the fusion between Mahavamsa and the present day Sinhala-Buddhists), let me further elaborate on how the fusion took place.

4.1. Imaginary Buddha

More than thousand years after the Parinibbana (passing away) of Lord Buddha the Mahavamsa has created an imaginary Buddha (Mahavamsa Buddha) who

1. Made three magical visits to Sri Lanka paving the way for his Dhamma to prevail in the island in the future for a full 5000 years. (Today, the Sinhala-Buddhists believe, Sri Lanka is a ‘chosen land ’and ‘thrice blessed’ by none other than Buddha).

2. Confirmed that Vijaya and his followers (convicted criminals and non-Buddhists), the ancestors of today’s Sinhala community, are said to have landed on the island of Lanka (Promised Land), exactly on the day he attains Parinibbana (his passing away).

3. Made arrangements for the safety of Vijaya and his followers. He calls on Sakka (Indra), who in turn calls Vishnu (Upulvan) for divine intervention and help to protect his chosen people (Sinhala Jathiya) and their promised land (Dhammadeepa) and his Dhamma (Buddhism) for a full 5000 years.

Even though Siddharta Gautama was from a Hindu background, the concept of God in Hinduism (Brhama, Vishnu, Siva) is completely different from the (Brhama, Deva) in Buddhism, Buddha never mentioned about any Hindu Gods (Tripitaka). By introducing the above myths and attributing it to Buddha, the Mahavamsa is not only perverting Gautama Buddha’s peerless Dhamma, but also making it an orthodox Theravada Buddhist doctrine of Sinhala-Buddhism in Sri Lanka which ultimately has transformed the Gautama Buddha into a special patron of Sinhala (Mahavamsa) Buddhism, an ethnic religion (political) created in Sri Lanka. The outcome of the above is the Jathika Chinthanaya or Mahavansa-mindset [Rata (Sinhala Country) – Jathiya (Sinhala Nation/Race) – Aagama (Sinhala Buddhist Religion] which has manifested into Sinhala-Buddhist Ultra-nationalist chauvinism today.

4.2. Racial Factor

The fourth important step, Mahavamsa justifies (Non-Buddhist/Tamil killing) by attributing it to a [Buddhist] Arahant who equates the killing of sixty thousand Tamils by DutuGemunu to a mere one and a half human, indicating that it is no crime in killing thousands of Tamils. Mr. Bandu De Silva says, as a frequent reader of Bhagavad Gita, Ven. Mahanama must have adopted this concept from the Gita. Of course, as I mentioned in my article, he has adopted many concepts from the Indian epics but unfortunately the present day Sinhalese do not know the stories in Gita, they only believe the Arahant’s words as the gospel truth that killing sixty thousand Tamils is equal to killing only one-and-a-half human (the reason why others/non-Buddhists think that Sinhala-Buddhism is somewhat of a violent barbaric form of Buddhism where killing Tamils is justified). This demonstrates that there has been substantial anti-Tamil (Saiva) sentiment for centuries and it provides ready fodder for contemporary Sinhalese propagandists. Even the great Buddhist/Pali scholar Dr. Walpola Rahula thero uses this incident without questioning its veracity in his defense of Sinhalese nationalism. If an Arahant can utter such racial statements, it is not rocket science for us to understand why the present day Buddhist monks are engaged in racial politics. Still I do not consider Ven. Mahanama was a racist or his doctrine was racist but it has definitely influenced racism in today’s Sinhalese society.

Here is what we read in the Dipavamsa, (Ch. XVIII, vv. 47-50).

v. 47. “The Damilas, Sena and Guttaka, capturing Sura Tissa, ruled righteously for twenty-two years.”

v. 48. “Prince Asela, son of Mutasiva, killing Sena and Guttaka ruled for ten years.”

v. 49. “The Prince named Elara killing Asela ruled righteously for forty-four years.”

v. 50. “Avoiding the paths of desire, hatred, fear and delusion, he ruled righteously being incomparable.”

Of course, Prince Duttugemunu killed Elara and ruled after him. Curiously enough the Dipavamsa, the earlier of the two old Pali Chronicles, makes no mention of a war between Elara and Duttugemunu, (a tale apparently fabricated to counteract the Saiva revival that was fast spreading through the Tamil country during this period). The graphically and romantically described campaigns occupying a large section of the Mahavamsa were written a century later than the Dipavamsa, and about 900 years after the time of Elara. It was evidently invented for the edification of the pious in Sri Lanka and to protect the faith from Saiva (Tamil) revivalists. Unfortunately today, it is considered as a Sinhala-Tamil war. Neither the Pali chronicles nor does the epigraphy say Duttugemunu was a Sinhala. Why abuse the good old Tamil Kings when our Sinhalese brethren, who lay exclusive claim to this Island, have a feeble case to support their make-belief?

If we turn to the later chronicles the Pujavali (13th century A.D.), the Rajaratnakara (16th century A.D.), and the Rajavali (18th century A.D.), it is not likely that these writers had read either the Dipavamsa or the Mahavamsa. The names of the kings of Sri Lanka, the order and the details of their activities in these Chronicles do not always agree with those found in the earlier Pali Chronicles. The writers of these chronicles had probably heard by word of mouth of a war between the Tamil Saivite king Elara and Duttugemunu whom the Buddhist priesthood had traditionally held to be an early champion of Buddhism.

These chroniclers, themselves priests, give a totally different picture of Elara. They represent him as a desecrator of Buddhist monuments and a destroyer of Buddhist temples. The author of the Mahavamsa, without doing any harm to the character of Elara as represented in the earlier Chronicle, the Dipavamsa, guilds his hero Duttugemunu with a fabulous account of a long and glorious campaign (religious war of liberation) against the Tamil king, a campaign about which the Dipavamsa was totally unaware.

4.3. Sinhala-Buddhist Only

As I have explained in my article, the concept ‘Rata (Sinhala-Buddhist Country) – Jathiya (Sinhala-Buddhist Nation/Race) – Aagama (Sinhala Buddhist Religion)’ the three are attributed to Sri Lanka with an inseparable fusion (trinity) derived from Mahavamsa as I have listed above (Jathika Chinthanaya/Mahavamsa mindset) and its primary outcome is the Sinhala-Only, Buddhist-Only, unitary state. All others are secondary, considered as from outside (migrants, invaders, etc) who are allowed to stay but they should not demand anything.

From a very young age, the innocent Sinhala Buddhist children are brainwashed by their parents/grandparents, teachers, Buddhist priests (some members of the Maha Sangha), media personnel, text book writers, and some of the Daham Paasela (Sunday school) teachers in the Buddhist temples by engraving the Sinhala-Buddhist Mahavansa mindset and Sinhala Buddhist racism into their sub-conscious minds. They are taught to believe that the non-Sinhala Buddhists (Tamils) are invaders who do not belong to Sri Lanka. All the Tamils should be chased away to Tamil Nadu (where they belong) just the way their ancient Kings like Dutugemunu did. The country (Sri Lanka), Sinhala race and Buddhism should be protected from the Tamils. Now, from recently, they have also included the Christians in those needing to be thrown out. Due to the above conditioning, the Sinhala-Buddhist majority believes that the entire Sri Lanka belongs to them and the minorities are aliens.

When the Mahavamsa author Ven. Mahanama Thero created the above myth during the early period when there was a threat to Buddhism (mainly from South India), he would have never imagined that after 15 centuries, his myth would (misinterpreted in a political context) influence an ultra-nationalist/chauvinist mindset in the group of people (Sinhalese) that he created to protect Buddhism in Sri Lanka, and that he will become an unfortunate victim for the ethnic crisis that manifested from his creation.

To be precise, a mythical mindset to establish a Sinhala Buddhist hegemonic (unitary) state that in turn influenced/created another mindset among the Tamils to create a separate Tamil state. For those who have misunderstood my article, I repeat that, by considering the era in which Mahavamsa was written (turbulent period), Ven. Mahanama cannot be blamed because his only motive was to protect Buddhism.

For the Sinhala Buddhists nationalists, who have become myopic over the years of misinformation or lack of information, the Mahavamsa constitutes a sacred unquestionably legitimate proof of their original Sinhala Buddhist heritage and ownership of the island. According to the Sinhala nationalism the Mahavamsa mythology provides proof beyond doubt that the Sinhala race was the chosen people, the predestined custodian of the island and the guardian of Buddhism.

The entire body of claims of Sinhala chauvinism, and the Sinhalese and their entire historical perception, all their inflated claims are based on this cooked up and concocted historical work called Mahavamsa.

5. How Sinhalese becoming Majority and the Tamil ‘Vellalar Migration’ theory

The ethnic Tamils have found themselves in Sri Lanka in a political culture that promoted Buddhism from the beginning of written history. As a consequence, Tamils have assimilated into the Buddhist tribes at varying rates. During the last 2500 years, more Tamils and South Indians mixed with those who call themselves Sinhalese today than anybody else. If a comprehensive genetic study is conducted on the Sinhalese population, it will reveal this fact.

5.1. Colonial Aided colonization

In the 16th century, the Portuguese colonized a large number of South Indians (mainly from Cochin in the Malabar coast/presently Kerala and from Tutucorin in the Coromandel Coast/presently Tamil Nadu) in the entire western coast of Sri Lanka from Mannar to Matara. Of course, those settled in Mannar remained as Tamils but all others got converted to Sinhala Buddhists and Sinhala Catholics and today their descendents (6th generation from the South) have become distinct, ‘North Indian Vijaya’s Lion-blooded Sinhala Aryans’, the Nationalist Patriots and guardians of Sinhala, Sri Lanka and Buddhism, the job that Lord Buddha assigned to the Hindu God Vishnu as per the Mahavamsa. If these so called “Sinhaputhra/Boomiputhra of Heladiva” had remained as Tamils, (without assimilating with the Sinhalese) today the Tamils would have been the majority in Sri Lanka or if they had assimilated with the Veddas instead of Sinhalese, today the Veddas would have been considerably a large population in Sri Lanka.

Mr. Bandu De Silva accepts the fact that the Tamils and the low-country Sinhalese are heavily mixed but strangely he leaves out the up-country Sinhalese. The last four Kings who ruled Kandy from 1739 – 1815 were Nayakkar from Madurai (Tamil Nadu). During the 75 years period how many of their people (close associates and others), would have come from there and mixed with the up-country Sinhalese. It is said; the King had them married to Kandyan Sinhalese women of distinction (a royal affair). In fact the Kandyan rulers had close ties with Tamils than with low country Sinhalese.

5.2. Dutch and the Vellalars

A few Sinhalese pseudo ‘Intellects’ talk as if they have witnessed the Dutch bringing Vellalars to Jaffna from South India (Vellalar migration). While the Tamils ridicule such cheap His-story created by some charlatan for the serene joy of a few non-rational gullible and bigoted Sinhalese chauvinists, even the majority of the Sinhalese do not believe in such stories. This myth was concocted by those who are totally ignorant about Vellalar and the Jaffna society. I am really surprised that Mr. Bandu De Silva, once a diplomat who represented our country at international level believing in such myths.

The theory (myth) fabricated by a Sinhalese pseudo-scholar Gamani Iriyagolla, (Lawyer cum civil servant), without any recorded proof was “Many Tamils in Jaffna were brought in the 17th century by the Dutch to work in the tobacco plantations”. Later his theory was further modified by naming those imaginary migrants as ‘Vellalar’ and the reason behind the introduction of Thesawalamei Law (adopted from Malabar Muslim Customary Law) by Dutch was to encourage the Vellalar of South India to come and grow tobacco.

It was Markus Vink, a Dutch historian who first mentioned quoting a Dutch Record, in an article published in the ‘Journal of World History’, the Slave trade was flourishing during the Dutch period (17th century AD). There was a famine in South India during that period and slaves were brought to Sri Lanka and to a few other countries from the Coromandel Coast in South India in 1658-1663, 1670/71-1689/90. Although he mentioned that, ten thousand slaves were settled in the South of Sri Lanka (Colombo, Galle and the entire South West) where cinnamon grew to perfection; he did not say how many were settled in Jaffna.

5.2. Cinnamon Trade

From the time of the Portuguese, who had a monopoly of trade in spices, they developed the cultivation of spices in Sri Lanka and established a lucrative trade. Cinnamon was the staple export. It was ‘the Helen or bride of contest’ (as Baldaeus called it) for whose exclusive possession successive European invaders had in turn contended. Dutch Governor Rijckloff van Goens Jr. (1675-80) stated cinnamon is said to be the bride around whom they dance in Ceylon. If not for cinnamon, the Portuguese, the Dutch and the British would not have taken such interest in this tiny island of Sri Lanka.

Other than for Cinnamon, coffee and coconut plantation in the South, the Dutch also used them for domestic purpose.
Let me quote from the report of the Dutch writer Markus Vink:

“In 1661, 10,000 slaves had been put to work by the company and by private individuals on the lands in South-western Ceylon, including 2,000 company slaves. In 1694, the city of Colombo alone had a slave population of 1,761.”

The Sinhalese population increased exponentially and became a majority in Sri Lanka only after these people brought by the Portuguese and the Dutch assimilated with the local Sinhalese population.

Only those that the British brought in the 19th century AD and settled in the upcountry did not assimilate with the Sinhalese (even though they were highly discriminated by the Vellalar Tamils) because the British had a different policy/agenda and they maintained it till they left the island in 1948. (If given a choice, they will prefer to join with the Sinhalese rather than Tamils).

5.3. Vellalar Domination

When the last Tamil king of Jaffna, Cankli Kumaran was fighting decisively with the Portuguese forces, Jaffna was well populated with Tamils.

The ‘Cambridge History of India’ says,

“The Tamils formed the three kingdoms of the Pandya, Chola, Chera, where the ruling element was the land tilling classes, the Vellalars.” (ibid. p. 539).

“Even in the fifth century AD, the South seems to have felt little influence of Aryan culture but the Dravidian Society was still free from the yoke of Brahmin caste system” (p. 540).

In other words, the Vellalars were the dominating caste among the Damelars (Tamils) and not the North Indian Brahmin caste.

From 13 Century AD, the economy of the Jaffna kingdom had been based exclusively on agriculturalists, predominantly of the Vellalar caste. The Vellalars were the land owners and they were dominating the entire peninsula. It is true that the Dutch also settled some of those slaves in Jaffna in the Tobacco fields to help the Vellalars but it is ridiculous to assume (without any proof) that there are considerable amount of recently migrated Tamils in Jaffna brought by the Dutch for Tobacco plantation or to say Vellalar community of Jaffna was brought from South India during the Colonial period. The Dutch did not bring Vallalar from South India; they brought labourers/slaves from South India to help the Vallalar with Tobacco cultivation and those labourers/slaves remained as a distinct caste until recently. Encouraged by the ambiguities in Dutch law which interpreted the bonded status of landless labourers as slave labour, vellalar landowners claimed ownership of these landless labourers, similar to western slavery.

The people of Jaffna knew very well right from the beginning, who is an original inhabitant and who were those tobacco cultivation laborers/slaves. They only ridicule at such myths created by the so called ‘Educated’ Sinhalese. Right from Ven. Mahanama, it has become a tradition for the Sinhalese-Buddhists to create myths whenever they feel there is a threat to [Rata (Sinhala Country) – Jathiya (Sinhala Nation/Race) – Aagama (Sinhala Buddhist Religion]. It is so contiguous that it has spread to some Sri Lankan Tamils as well who in turn have come up with another myth that there was a permanent Tamil kingdom in the North/East for 3000 years. (Myth creating more and more myths).

5.4. Tobacco Cultivation

Prof. Sinnappah Arasaratnam published an article on the very subject in 1994 where he took Markus Vink’s article and further elaborated on the Jaffna issue. According to him, the Dutch fully supported the local Vellalar farmers to grow Tobacco which was extensively cultivated in Vadamarachchi and in parts of Valikamam. The Dutch helped the Vellalar by bringing in workers/slaves from South India. He also says, these vellalar elites were able to command the labour of untouchable castes, who were migrating from south India until the 18th century. It is also very clear from his article that, the tobacco cultivation labourers/slaves were none other than the untouchable castes from South India who remained in Jaffna until recently as low castes.

Even Prof. Sinnappah Arasaratnam does not say how many were settled in Jaffna. What he said was, consequently, due to this settlement, the populations of the already densely populated provinces of Valikamam and Vadamarachchi increased and the older villages, with their intensively cultivated and subdivided land, recorded populations of as much as 5000 each (those already living plus those settled).

The Dutch Predikant Philippus Baldaeus in his famous 1682 historical account ‘A True and Exact Description of the Island of Ceylon’ says he first landed in the Malabar Coast (presently Kerala), stayed there for a very short time moving along the Malabar Coast to Coramandel Coast (presently Tamil Nadu) up to Nagapatnam, and then to Galle, and finally Jaffna (presently Sri Lanka). He was living in Jaffna during the period when the Dutch slave trade was flourishing, when tens of thousands of slaves were brought to Sri Lanka from Coromandel. He was preaching Christianity in the Tamil language (he learnt Tamil just enough to preach) to the people of Jaffna.

With regard to the similarity in the languages spoken in both Jaffna and Coromandel, this is what he said,

“I have HEARD it often asserted by the inhabitants of Jaffna Patnam that, that part of the country was TIMES PAST peopled from the Coromandal coast and hence the dialect of their fatherland.”

This statement is usually quoted out of context (misquoted) by the Sinhalese scholars. If we analyze the above statement, this Dutch officer says, he has only heard the peasants of Jaffna talking that the similarity in language is because, in the past history, the people of Jaffna were from Coromandal He did not say anywhere that he saw/witnessed people from Coromandal settling in Jaffna (Dutch settlements/Vellalar settlement). Without reading such historical accounts in full and without analyzing them, these pseudo-scholars not only misinterpret them but also make assumptions and come to wrong conclusions.

5.5. Tesavalamai Law

The adherence of special laws such as Tesavalamai by the Northern Tamil society in Sri Lanka is NOT due to any South Indian Vellalar or any Tobacco cultivation. It was only a customary law that governs property rights among the Tamils of Jaffna, codified by the Dutch in 1707 under the heading ‘The Malabar Laws and Customs’, under which not all property could be given away. A person could give away only the tetiatettam, i.e. property acquired by either husband during the period after married life and or the priests acquiring from such properties. Even of the tetiatettam property, the husband cannot alienate the whole property; the wife is entitled to half of it. Those properties inherited from the parents cannot be given away according to ones own wish. The Thesavalamai is part of some ancient customs of Tamils in Sri Lanka and India on the matrimonial rights and Inheritance with respect to property and intestate succession and has no relationship what so ever with the Malabar Muslim Customary Law of India.

As the rulers of Jaffna, the Dutch accepted the customs of the Northern Tamil society and by the order of the Governor Simons in 1706 it was promulgated by the Dutch Government as a customary law of Jaffna and codified it under the heading ‘The Malabar Laws and Customs’. These Sinhala pseudo-scholars have totally misinterpreted the customary law of Jaffna Tamils (Thesawalamai) by comparing it with the Muslim Customary Law of India. Not only Thesawalamai Law, it should be noted that the colonial rulers also accepted Kandyan Law, Muslim Law, Buddhist Law and Hindu Law in Sri Lanka in addition to their Roman-Dutch Law and English Law.

5.6. Converting to Christianity

Like the the Portuguese, the Dutch and the British colonial powers who only dealt with the Vellalar who were so powerful within the Jaffna Tamil society, even the Sinhala dominated governments in the South continued the same practice after independence.

The Portuguese went about converting the remaining members of the royal family and the Vellalar Tamil aristocrats of the Kingdom of Jaffna (after its fall) into Catholicism. They made them the headmen of Jaffna and give them the Portuguese title Don. These titles continued into the Dutch period as seen in the names of signatories of the Thesavalami laws and customs of Jaffna which was codified under the Dutch.

For example,

The signatories of the Thesavalami laws and customs of Jaffna were, Don Philip Villaivarasa Mutaliyar, Don Anthony Narayanan, Don Frnscisco Arulampalam Mutaliyar, Don Juan Chantirasekara Mana Muthaliyar, Don Martino Manappuli Mutaliyar, Don Franscisco Vanniyarasa Mutaliyar, Don Juan Chayampunata Mutaliyar, Don Juan Chutukavala Chenathirayan Mutaliyar, Don Louwys Putar, And Don Francisco Rasarathina Mutaliyar.

During the Dutch rule, in an attempt to control the powerful Vellalar elite, all the holders of Muthaliyarships were asked to present their letters of appointment and prove their titles. The census indicated that in the four provinces of Jaffna there was a total of 516 Mudaliyars. However hard they tried, the Dutch could not break the dominance of the Hindu Vellalar land owners. Finally, the Dutch introduced a legislation, no native could have title to land without becoming a Christian (Protestant) and being baptized. As a result, most Vellalar families who were agricultural land owners in Jaffna accepted baptism but behind closed doors they still practiced Hinduism. Dutch religious leaders lost hope and departed from Jaffna. As a result, the local Christians (Protestant) had no religious leadership and many of them converted back to Hinduism. Even though the Dutch could build Forts, they could not establish a Dutch Reformed Church in Jaffna like what they did in many places in Colombo and Galle. The British who succeeded the Dutch were also unsuccessful, unlike in the South; their mission could not establish a Church of England in Jaffna.

The first Christian missionary; American Mission (Congregationalists), under the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions, landed in Ceylon in 1812. When the American missionaries first arrived in Jaffna, they found that the greatest impact they could make on the powerful Tamil Hindu Vellalar community was through education. They put up well equipped Schools, hospitals, etc and established the Church of South India. Some of the Vellalar Tamil families became Christians and took American names permanently when they were baptized.

For example,

Murugesar Ramanathar became Francis Asbury, Ambalavanar Chitampalam became Nathan Strong, Ethirnayagam Murugesar became Cyrus Mills, Muttukumaru Sithamparapillai became William Nevins, Arumugam Nannithamby became Robert Williams, Vairavanathar Sinnathamby became William Cotton Mather and many others followed.

After the Americans established their mission schools, churches and hospital with the help of the powerful Vellalar, they deviated from the system by taking in “low caste” Tamils, and started baptizing them giving them Christian/Western names so as to erase their “low caste” identities. The Hindu Vellalar Tamil nationalist Arumuga Navalar launched a campaign to deny “low caste” Tamils access to missionary schools but failed.

5.7. Tracing the Tamil Ancestry

Mr. Bandu De Silva goes on to say, the Tamils do not have a continuous history going back to a date beyond the seventeenth century. I do not know how he came to such a conclusion? In the case of the Sinhalese, their family name/surname is constantly carried forward from generation to generation (Eg, Ratwatte, Don Hewavitharana, De Silva, etc), where as the Tamils do not carry forward a constant family name/surname and their ancestors are not known beyond three generations. (Eg, we do not know who Don Philip Villaivarasa Mutaliyar’s forefathers/decedents are). Only a very few Vellalar families opted to constantly carry forward their family name/surname and therefore their ancestors can be traced back up to the 17th century and not beyond.

5.7. Colonial Lackeys

It was neither the Dutch nor the British but the Americans who built those leading schools in Jaffna which helped the Tamils to receive an English education, an advantage they had over the Sinhalese when it came to white collar government jobs under the British. There is no truth in the Sinhalese claim that the Tamils collaborated with the British against the Sinhalese. Very similar to some of the Sinhala rebellion against the British rule even the Tamils have rebelled. Pandara Vanniyan (Kulasegaram Vairamuthu Pandaravanniyan) was known as one of last native Tamil chiefs to challenge British rule.

In fact it was not the Tamils but the Sinhalese who collaborated with the British. Unlike the Indians (Mahatma Gandhi, Jawalhal Nehru, Mohd Ali Ginna, Subash Chandra Bose, and others) who suffered for their Independence, the Sinhalese whom Anagarika Dhammapala termed as ‘Kalu Suddho’ collaborated with the British (not a bad move anyway), who gave us Independence on a platter (without shedding a single drop of tears, sweat or blood) and made them leaders to rule the entire country.

5.8. Yarlpana Vaipava Malai

Just like Dhatusena invited Ven.Mahanama to compile the Mahavamsa, the Dutch Governor Jan Maccara may have had an interest in knowing the history of the people who were dominating one part of the country and he invited Mayilvagana Pulavar, the right person who could compile it. This has nothing to do with tobacco cultivation as some of the Sinhalese charlatans are trying to misinterpret. Just like the Mahavamasa written by a the poet monk Ven. Mahanama in 6th century AD who glorified the Theravada Buddhists, the Yarlpana Vaipava Malai is a book written by the Tamil poet Mayilvagana Pulavar in 1736 AD and he glorified the supremacy of the Tamil Hindu Vellalar. Like the Mahavamsa, it also contains folklore, legends and myths mixed with historical anecdotes, most of them cannot be proved.

The only good thing that the Tamil militancy did to the Sri Lankan Tamils was, getting rid of the caste system and the Vellalar supremacy but in doing so, they got rid of most of the well educated Vellalar Tamils.

5. Saivism and the Ancient Hindu shrines

I am not going to comment much on the antiquity/existence of five recognized ‘Eeswararms’ of Siva before the arrival of Thero Mahinda because until now, even with all the latest advanced technology, there is no proper archaeological research conducted on them.

The worship of Siva was prevalent in Sri Lanka from even before the mission of Mahinda in the 3rd century BC, the mission that resulted in king Tissa of Anuradapura and many of his subjects being converted to Buddhism. After all, the father of this Anuradapura ruler was Muta Siva and his brother was Maha Siva whose names imply association with the worship of Siva. The numerous occurrences of the personal name Siva in the early Brahmi records and also in the early Pali chronicles leave us in no doubt that the cult of Siva was prevalent in the island, unless of course some etymologist/linguist comes up with a different meaning for the term Siva in the early Sri Lankan/Indian languages.

The earliest reference in the Pali Chronicles to the Saiva Shrine at Trincomalee is found in the Mahavamsa (Ch. XXXVII, vv. 40-44). It states that Mahasen‘built also the Manivihara and founded three viharas destroying the temple of the gods the Gokanna, Erukavilla, and another in the village of the Brahman Kalanda’. In a note below Geiger the official translator of the Mahavamsa, states, “according to the Tika, the Gokanna Vihara is situated on the coast of the Eastern sea, the two other Viharas in Ruhuna, the Tika also adds everywhere in the Island of Lanka he established the doctrine of the Buddha having destroyed the temples of the unbelievers, i.e. having abolished the Phallic symbols of Siva and so forth”. In his foot note quoting the Pali version of the Tika Geiger clarifies that King Mahasen destroyed symbols of Siva:

“Evam sabbaththa Lankadipamhi kuditthikAnam Alayam viddhaamesetvA, SivalingadAyo nAsetvA buddhasAsanam eva patittahapesi”

If what the Tika says is to be accepted, Ruhuna and the Eastern coast would appear to have been early homes of Saivaism, the Tamil religion par excellence. The authors of the Pali Chronicles and the monk author of the later 13th century AD Tika were Buddhist priests, who at that time were the bitterest opponents of Saivaism and those who supported it in Sri Lanka, as we see from their writings. The truth and accuracy of the statements made by the commentator cannot be verified. It has however been pointed out that the unknown writer of the Tika (who also mentioned about the mysterycal ‘Vamsa texts’ known as ‘Sihala Atthakatha’) had used his piety and his imagination rather than verify facts to explain the allusions found in the Mahavamsa.

Coming over to historical data furnished by Dr. Vigneswaran, it is his view having examined many sources that the original Thirukoneswaram temple is under sea. The original temple now under sea was a rock cave temple built around an earlier existing Shivalingam.

What is important is not what is said in the ‘Mahavamsa’, or Tika or the thevaaram that the ancient Tamil Saiva poet, Thirignanasampanthar sang on ‘Theiruketheesvaram’ and ‘Thirukoneswaram’ or the reference to Siva temple in relation to Raavana in Ramaayana or what Dr. Paul E. Peiris declared at a meeting of the Royal Asiatic Society or the remains of several Saiva shrines unearthed at Anuradapura, or king Sena1 (833 – 853) getting converted to Saivism or even what Dr. Vigneswaran furnished. What is needed is an extensive archaeological research that is still pending.

Professor C. Pathmanathan suggested that systematic excavation done in the Trincomalee district could bring valuable historical evidence to establish not only the existence of the ancient symbols of Siva but also the history of Tamils in the country.

Regarding Buddha’s three visits, another creative imagination of the great poet Ven. Mahanama, Mr. De Silva says, let it remain in the realm of belief just like many other myths. With the modern technology, it is not a herculean task to find the antiquity of the three ‘chaityas’ despite its renovation/embellishment but who would want to shoot themselves on their own foot? It is easy to rule/preach the masses if they remain gullible.

Conclusion

Today the Sri Lankan Tamils have lost everything and are reduced to refugees in their own land. It is a bitter historical truth that, it was not only the colonial rulers who were responsible for this state of affairs but also the competitiveness, superiority complex, caste discrimination, disunity, jealousy, lack of co-operation and lack of patriotism among the Sri Lankan Tamils. It is unlikely this situation can be changed until the Tamil politicians and officials truly realize the gravity of the situation and apply themselves sincerely to solving these urgent problems which still exists within the Tamil community.

Let me quote the powerful saying “United we stand, divided we fall”. The divided Tamils who were struggling for a separate Tamil state in Sri Lanka do not even deserve a federal solution. The unity and solidarity among the Tamil speaking Sri Lankans (North, East, Upcountry, Colombo and the Tamil speaking Muslims) is the number one priority. Unless and until all the Tamil speaking people of Sri Lanka unite, they do not deserve any political solution. These people (leaders) have to decide whether or not the Tamils are to continue living as refugees. The best lesson they can learn is from their own Sinhalese brethren with whom they have lived for many centuries. Their unity (irrespective of their differences) in defeating the LTTE should be admired.

The fall of LTTE is one good thing that has happened to Sri Lankans and especially to the Sri Lankan Tamils. If it had continued for another few decades, it would have reduced the Sri Lankan Tamils (Demelas) to the state of Veddas, another indigenous population that lives in the island from pre-historic period. What development have they done to the land/people of Vanni within their 25 years of self rule with millions of dollars they received from the Tamil Diaspora, other than fighting a losing war and making the people refugees in their own land?

Unfortunately, the present government has also succumbed to the Sinhala-Buddhist Ultra-nationalists (obsessed with Mahavansa mindset) masquerading as Patriots with their hidden agenda to establish a Sinhala Buddhist hegemonic state. By encouraging certain myopic actions such as erecting Buddha statues in places where there are no Buddhists, Sinhala Only National anthem, and so on and by delaying the political solution, they are only aiding to spawn another Prabakaran. For the Tamil speaking people, Sri Lanka still remains as a land of broken promises and shattered dreams. Let us not repeat the bitter history again by falling back to the 1956 era.

These are some of the important and critical issues that the Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission (LLRC) have to look into if the government is genuine in working towards finding a lasting solution for an ethnically peaceful and prosperous Sri Lanka.

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  2. Challenging Buddha’s three visits to Lanka are like challenging that Jesus walked on water, brought people back from the dead, cured the incurable sick, and the other miracles Jesus performed. Is there historical evidence of these facts about Jesus? No, of course not. But do Christians believe it is so, of course they do.

    (As a Buddhist, I too, can believe that Jesus performed these miracles, as I know that it is possible for humans with highly evolved minds to perform such super-natural acts, as Buddhists call them. Buddha didn’t bring people back from the dead or cure sick people, but the texts never say that he couldn’t do so, rather saying that he ‘refused’ to do so because they will eventually be subjected to sickness and death. In addition, the Buddhist teaching of respecting other religions and letting them be, also helps.)

    Christianity has benefited, from both significantly more interest from the international archeological community, the support of powerful Governments and various powerful International Organizations and the enormous amounts of capital required for such research by virtue of being one of the major religions in the world and by being either the official religion or the major religion of every influential country of the West. In comparison, the archeological activity in Sri Lanka has been negligible.

    Even with the benefit of such massive resources, can one reasonably expect to find evidence that Jesus performed these miracles? No, of course not. Should we insult Christians and Christianity and disparage them because of such lack of evidence? So if we haven’t been able to find such evidence about Jesus, how can we reasonably expect to find such evidence about Buddha who, to make matters archeologically even more difficult, lived about 500 years prior to Jesus? What evidence can be found? Short of a video recording, anything else can be debunked as myth and conjecture as well. Even a video recording can be challenged as altered and doctored. The most one can expect to find is inscriptions or carved drawings of such acts, none of which is concrete proof, and even if found, all such things would prove is that some people who lived immediately after that period believed these things happened, the person who commissioned the inscriptions (most likely a King or head of Church) believed them or wanted the masses to believe them.

    As for Dayananda’s assertion Paranawithana, who was not a Buddhist, said Buddha didn’t come to Lanka:

    I have learned to never take the word of a Tamil or Tamil supporter unless I have independently verified the truth. The number of times when I have believed the Tamil propaganda and subsequently found out that it was all a lie, is too numerous to count. Certainly hundreds of times. So, first, since Devananda wrote this, I don’t know if these facts surrounding Paranawithana is true or Devananda is just spinning propaganda to support his theories. Assuming it is true for a moment, if Paranawithana wasn’t a Buddhist, then why is it so hard to believe that Paranawithana wanted to discredit Buddhism. That he wished people in Lanka would stop believing in Buddhism (and Hinduism, and even Islam) and all converted to Christianity and Catholicism. Should we take his world as the gospel truth. Could his statements not have been affected by his own hidden dislike and disdain of Buddhism, and resentment that Buddhism is the major religion in Lanka? Most of all, I find it hard to believe that he would have made such a statement, if he did indeed do so, unless motivated by a hidden motive to discredit Buddhism. For, as an archeologist he would have known better than anyone that, non-discovery of evidence, specially of an intangible act, but even of tangibles, is not proof that they didn’t happen or exist. Archeological discoveries are ongoing and incomplete at any given time, one can never say that they are exhaustive and completed, however much is done, in the future more can be done and more can be discovered, and we only discover what has survived, there are many things that were destroyed forever and that we cannot find or discover, and Paranawithana would have known that, better than anyone else. So I find it hard to believe that he would make absolute statements about what he didn’t find, like ‘Buddha didn’t visit Lanka.’ They usually, stick to what they do find, but if true, I cannot think of any other reason why he would have said something like that other than a desire to discredit Buddhism in Lanka based on his own personal beliefs, and deciding to mis-use his stature and authority to try and do it. It certainly goes against the standard practices of an archeologist.

    In the end it all, be it in Sinhala Buddhism, Thai Buddhism, or other Theravada Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism or any other religion, all comes down to faith and belief. Archeology has its uses, like in uncovering bones, buildings and cities, but expecting to find a proof a super-natural act that was over in a matter of minutes and witnessed by mostly likely less than one hundred people, if even that many, is insanity. On the other hand expecting to find bones, pottery, coins, cities, and other such tangible things through archeology is reasonable as one could see and hold them, but not an act or intangible like Jesus walking on water or Buddha traveling through the air.

    We, Sinhala Buddhists believe that Buddha came to Sri Lanka three times. It is no different to any other belief held by followers of any other religion. That other Theravadins don’t believe it has no bearing on us, frankly I doubt that any Sinhala Buddhist cares. I, as a person who has read a lot of the Tipitaka in my quest to read it completely, still believe it, and I doubt I’ll ever stop believing it. Frankly I see no conflict between the two. In fact, the more of the Tipitaka I read, the more plausible and real Buddha’s visits to Lanka seem.

    There are many Catholic Saints, revered figures and performances and acts by such people unique to Mexico, (as do other South American countries who have their own as well), are they going to stop believing in these Saints just because someone writes an article saying that the other Catholics around the world, and the Catholics in Rome don’t believe in these Saints? Because these Saints are not mentioned in the Bible? Because other Catholics around the world don’t believe these miraculous acts took place in Mexico (or other South American country)? Of course not. That is what religion does. It changes and makes its own sub-culture and sub-religion once isolated in a geographical region for a couple of centuries. This is true of ANY world relgion. Catholicism in Mexico and South America is only as old as the Spanish and Portuguese colonization, which, in the grand scheme of history, falls into recent history, and isn’t even as old as Buddhism in Sri Lanka, and yet they already have their own unique sub-religion and sub-culture operating within the larger arm of Catholicism.

    Devananda’s assertion that Theravada Buddhism in other Theravadin countries strictly follow only the Tipitaka and is an identifiable whole, while only the Theravada Buddhism in Sri Lanka is different is completely false, and either done intentionally by Devananda to prove his point, or he/she has no exposure to Buddhism in the other Theravadin countries. Every Theravadin country has it’s own additions, beliefs and rituals which they hold sacred. Just off the top of my head, the strict rules governing who gets cremated and who doesn’t in Thailand comes to mind. Now It certainly isn’t from the Tipitaka. Taking the carcass of a dead pig, whole, with burning incense stuck to it, to offer to the Buddha in the temple, as practiced in Thailand is also certainly not from the Tipitaka, and in fact, Theravadins of Sri Lanka will most likely balk at this. The more one explores the other Theravadin countries and Buddhism practiced in those coutries, the more one sees that, they too, each have their unique sub-religion and practices, outside the Tipitaka. Though we all base our religion on the Tipitaka, to say that ONLY Sinhala Buddhists have beliefs outside the Tipitaka while the other Theravadins are a homogenous whole, and to take false pity on us (“the poor Sinhala Buddhist children are taught…..”) is utterly and completely false. Here are some more examples off the top of my head, there are rules governing the acceptance into monkhood in each country, again outside the Tipitaka. What’s more, should we all of us stop venerating the Buddha, offering him, flowers, food, water, incense, reciting gathas while doing so? These were certainly all established post-Buddha. Buddha certainly didn’t ask anyone to do them. Is Devananda now going to attack and ridicule the other, non-Lankan Theravadin coutries for their practices that fall outside the Tipitaka? I suppose not, as his/her obvious ulterior motive is to only demolish Buddhsm in Sri Lanka as practiced by the Sinhala people.

    The Tipitaka was written in Sri Lanka by Singhala Buddhists as was the Mahavamsa. Why believe one and not the other? Because one supports Devananda’s point, and the other doesn’t? By Devananda’s logic, then the entire Tipitaka also must be disowned, because we, the Sinhala Buddhists wrote it. But Devananda doesn’t say so, because it doesn’t suit his/her ulterior motive. What about the ancient chronicles and literature of the Hindus? Should you stop believing in your ancient records and chronicles as well? What about the ancient chronicles and records in Greece, Rome and other countries around the world? Should we stop believing those as well? In the end, ancient chronicles cannot be proved or disproved. Some believe them, some don’t. Singling out the Mahavamsa as the only falsehood is racist of Devanda and obviously done to with an ulterior motive of destroying Sinhala Buddhism and Sinhala Buddhists from within. This is reminiscent of the completely false propaganda the Tamils told the world during the war years, and still do.

    Not many cultures are fortunate enough to have ancient records and chronicles. Hindus have a rich inheritance of these and are lucky to have them. Greeks and Romans have them, albeit not as ancient as those of Hindus of India. But they are immensely proud of them. All cultures fortunate enough to have a long history and have such documents surviving are proud of them. We Sinhalese are no different. We are proud to be the owners of the Mahavamsa, we are immensely glad that we have it, and no amount of attacking by racist Tamils is going to change that. In fact, these attacks are only going to bring us closer to our heritage and make us treasure the Mahavamsa even more.

    As for Sinhala Buddhism, it is the same. I thank Devananda and the many commentators who left racist comments against us, because all these attacks made me embrace Sinhala Buddhism. I used to say, that I’m a buddhist and that I’m a Sinhalese, but I never much liked the Sinhala Buddhist joint identity. Now, thanks to you, I’ve come to see that that’s who I am, I love my identity, and am proud of it. As a practicing and Tipitaka-reading Buddhist, my Sinhala identity (or the gift of Mahavamsa) doesn’t make me feel any less Sinhala Buddhist. I feel as Theravada Buddhist as any Thai Buddhist, American Buddhist or German Buddhist.

    Buddhism is, at the end of day about what you believe for yourself, from your own investigations, not solely dependent on your teacher, or the Tipitaka, or any other book, or even the Buddha. And to me, from my investigations from my mind, and what I know a supreme Buddha is capable of and the super-natural acts such as going through the air, jumping in and out of the Earth or planets (e.g. Tipitaka Majjhima Nikaya 12, Mahasihanada Sutta,) it is completely believable that Buddha visited Lanka three times and came through the air using His super-natural power to do so. Devananda is attempting to destroy Sinhala Buddhism by attacking the Mahavamsa. Hoping that we, Sinhala Buddhists will be influenced if he said that such and such is not in the Tipitaka.

    The problems with this is two-fold:

    1. Buddhism, unlike Christianity and the Bible, or Islam and the Quran, or any other religion and their sacred book, teaches to in end, only believe what you, each person, knows in your own mind, through your own investigations to be true. So while this line of attacks and this type of strategy of of saying such and such is not in the Tiptiaka (Bible, Quran etc) “may” work with other religions, it won’t work with Buddhism. Because, we Buddhists, by Buddha’s own caution are not restricted to the Tipitaka.

    2. Devananda’s theory of restricting our beliefs to the Tipitaka would also destroy not only the way Sinhala Buddhists practice Buddhism, but also the way other Theravada countries practice Buddhism, as there is much revolving around daily practice and ways of worship that are not from the Tipitaka, or even from Buddha’s time. Indeed there was no need to venerate statues of the Buddha during his lifetime, and he certainly did not say to do so. So while praising the rest of the Theravada world and attacking Sinhala Buddhists, Devananda has unknowingly attacked all Theravadins. I doubt any Theravada country has a desire to strictly follow the Tipitaka and strip themselves of their cultural additions.

    Moreover, Buddhists are quite united and tolerant of the other Buddhist sects. We respect even the non-Theravada sects. We would not think twice about venerating a Mahayana or Vajrayana monk, offering them alms, reading their books, etc, indeed most Theravada Buddhists are only happy to follow the Dalai Lama. So trying to attack Buddhism in Sri Lanka will also fail in this regard. Even if Sinhala Buddhism was its own sub-Theravada religion, so what? Correctly one would then have to say each other Theravada country is also their own sub-group, because each has it’s own unique way of practicing. There are already many sects of Buddhism, as with, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism. So even if you try to insult us and belittle us by saying we are different, we won’t feel insulted or belittled or less-than. Sinhala Buddhism served us for 2500+ years, and we have served the world by preserving the Tipitaka and gifting the Tiptiaka to the world, we will continue to practice.

    Thank you Devananda and others who attacked us with even worse things than Devananda in the comments. The more you continue to attack Sinhala Buddhism, and insult us, the more we will unite. It is human nature to assimilate against outside attacks. Go ahead, attack more, and we’ll unite even more!

  3. Many Thanks for establishing the Truth. When Sinhala Vijayan came as refugees our ancestor accepted him with generous thats why we are still continue living as refugees
    in our own land and whole world not by LTTE.

    Now we clearly know how this Mahavamsa mentality carried through ‘Anagariga tharmapala’ to modern day
    J.R and others who claiming the whole power and history for them only.

    Mahayana – Theravatha religous opponent
    twisted as Tamil- Sinhala Historical bitterness in ‘Mahavamsa’ and carried forward by sinhal-buddhist racist against innocent Tamils, finaly it was applied by
    SL governments through long civil war. No one can refuse this.

    I don’t blame real freedom fighters who fougt for the freedom of the land and proved we can self rule our land.
    But unforunatly our unity , patriotism and political wisdom was poor.

  4. Oh God here we go again!!!.

    While i appreciate any kind of writing knowing the readers of DBS’s writing we will have another bout comments and counter comments from leaders who continue to live in the past.

    In the previous article a good Doctor actually wrote that the security forces purposely mow down tamils in Jaffna and is asking for lost rights.

    Does the context of the article really matter? Is it really relevant in todays politics?

    I am saddened that the Tamil diaspora is not the Doctors and Lawyers and Engineers of yesteryear. Ponzi schemes to fund terrorism, drug dealing, money laundering , abduction and forced labour.

    If what one blogger said was true why didnt tamils in France complain when there people were abducted to forced labour in a farm?

    The diaspora has been living a lie and has been wallowing in deception of the west. Always pointing fingers at Gota, MR and the ‘Singhalese’ government and not looking inside and cleaning their own stables.Crying out for lost ‘Rights’ while shamefully concealing their own way of willfully giving up the rights. Your frustrations in paying the LTTE was taken out in mass demonstrations in the west!

    It took 25 years for Canada to shut down the World Tamil Movement and confiscate all assets.

    More of the Lies and deception of the west, the media and tamils themsleves would perhaps come to light in the years to come.

  5. Nicely written in simple language. Able to finish both articles in one shot. The writer seems to have read all the previous comments and attempted to respond to them.

    Hope the learning and unlearning process continues and bring fruitful results.
    Otherwise lets say the curse of Kuveni continues to harm Vijaya’s descendents-Tamils & Sinhalas as well as Vedhas.

  6. we love our nations that is Sinhala.
    We live in Sri Lanka.
    We have a unique culture
    We have a unique language
    We are Buddhists.
    And thats why all those miorities trying to wash their hands in our heads!
    It doesn’t matter where we come from as long as we think as one nation.
    Just like humans nations has age too.
    So instead of trying to weak the Sinhala nationalism.
    I would urge U to mind your own nation which didn’t even have 500 old history!

  7. A good fabrication of contradicting theories.

    It is very difficult to refute a whole lot of arbitrary arguments when all of them are present in a single article. The writer tries to dispute hundreds of concepts in a single article, which really had been established with many corroborative facts. None can really answer his quantum of queries raised in this article without writing a couple of hundred books, this is the advantage/cover the writer is seeking against challenging his article. Challenging his article is a massive task not because of the facts it contains, but because of the mighty quantum of the concepts queried and the huge number of fallacies it contain. For example the Topic itself is a fallacy. “Neither Epigraphy nor Pali chronicles say Dutugemunu was a Sinhala”. What does the writer try to prove using the above caption? To say Dutugemunu is not a Sinhalese? This learned writer might not know that the absence of evidence is merely evidence of absence. In here absence of proof has been taken as positive proof of absence.You cannot prove anything that way. One who asserts must prove. The burden is on you. Here is the best “killer” I have seen against such fallacies.

    http://groundviews.org/2011/01/11/political-opposition-in-a-nihilistic-sinhala-society-responses-and-clarifications/comment-page-2/#comment-27175

    The article is full of fallacies, and really has no literacy value for discussion, except the wishful thinking of the writer to do something against what he doesn’t like and the messy manner in presenting it.

    Heaps of garbage have no value and do not prove anything. An ounce of silver is worth more.

    Thanks!

  8. who cares what Dutugemunu was or was not? So, maybe he was a Tamil and killed a great Tamil king Elara. Ha ha, one Tamil leader killing another Tamil leader, doesn’t sound much different from what happened in the recent past with the LTTE!!!!!
    Doesn’t matter who was what in the past, what matters is we now live in the present and must learn to live in harmony. Talking about who was great in the past, who had what portion of land in the past is just going to create so much enmity between the people again. I wish for a country that gives no special deals for any ethnic or religious group and does not discriminate against any ethnic or religious group too. Please God, let such a day dawn in Sri Lanka.

  9. The writer has to be commended for presenting interesting, clear and compelling arguments. Unlike his original article, which was lot more speculation than facts, these two are very well written. I await with interest what Mr Bandu De Silva and others who are more knowledgeable in this subject will have to say on these two articles.

    Here are few of my layman’s observations. I agree with the writer’s assertion that both Sinhalese and Tamils of Sri Lanka share a common ancestry. I am sure modern DNA testing will show that. But one also has to recognize that while starting from a common origin, one group somehow created a unique language and an ethnic identity (Sinhalese) while the other group (Tamils) somehow let themselves get assimilated in to a more South Indian identity. Don’t get me wrong, that does not mean that one group has more rights and ownership to the island than the other.

    While the ancient Sinhala/Tamil history and origins seems to have been clearly presented by the writer I think he has failed to do so when it comes to the more recent history. What is interesting is that while presenting arguments to discredit any large scale migration of Tamils from South India in the 17th, 18th centuries that some Singhalese argue that changed the ethnic mix of the island significantly, the writer very conveniently ignores that mass migration of Indian Tamils into traditional Singhalese areas of the Central Sri Lanka in 19th and 20th centuries.

    It is also unfortunate that the writer while going to great length to establish a “Mahavanasa mindset” among Sinhalese, and going into details about the people like Anagarika Darmapala, who the writer is accusing of whipping up Buddhist-Sinhalese patriotic fever among the local Singhalese during pre-independence period, totally ignores the context in which all that happened. Almost 500 years of colonial rule, ruthless suppression of religious beliefs and traditions, massive changes to the ethnic mix of the Sinhalese areas due to government sponsored migration of foreign labour.

    I want to take issue with one point. The writer says that one good effect that the LTTE had on the Tamil society was the disappearance of the caste system. Now I don’t believe for one minute that the Hindu caste system has been broken in Jaffna society. Even in this very cosmopolitan city of Toronto, the caste divisions in the Tamil Diaspora is as strong as ever. They may get together in thousands to demonstrate against Sri Lanka, but even in Toronto, many high caste Tamils will not associate with so called low caste Tamils.

    Finally, I fully agree with what the writer wrote in the conclusion : “Today the Sri Lankan Tamils have lost everything and are reduced to refugees in their own land. It is a bitter historical truth that, it was not only the colonial rulers who were responsible for this state of affairs but also the competitiveness, superiority complex, caste discrimination, disunity, jealousy, lack of co-operation and lack of patriotism among the Sri Lankan Tamils.”

    Only thing that I would change in that statement is that, it should read “it is not only colonial rulers and Singhalese who were responsible for this state of affairs but….”

    I would like to thank Mr Devananda for well thought out, well presented articles.

  10. Responding to “J” (Jan 31) i share the view religious belief of people is a sensitive area in which one must treat cautiously.
    At the sametime, in this era where almost everything is subject to careful scrutiny, discussion and debate academic inquiry in search of the truth should not be stifled and those engaging in same should not be vilified. There are faiths whose followers quickly spring to savage and medieval type of response on fair enquiry – often calling for the blood and death of those seeking the truth. It is just as well that such faiths are now described as mental illnesses. as Gert Wilders does. While the Christian faith was just as intolerant centuries ago, beginning from about the 17th century onwards it has encouraged healthy inquiry. Among the many free thinkers of recent times was Dr. Albert Schweitzer who did a careful study on the question if there indeed was one called Jesus Christ walking the face of the earth in flesh and blood. He published his views in a booklet
    titled “A quest into the historical Jesus Christ” (?) Catholics and Protestants do not go after the blood of those who seek the truth. The Hindu faith too does not object to questions about its hundreds of dieties, rituals and beliefs..Hindu scholars openly and without rancour answer all questions raised. Admittedly, in very recent times fundamentalist tendencies have corrupted some sections of Hindus as well. But that is more an institutional factor and has little to do with ecclesiastical discussion.

    It is unfortunate “J” has mired his scholarly comments resorting to unsubstantiated innuendos on Tamils. I am confident many in the readership from other communities will find his toxic rhetoric unfair, unbecoming and in poor taste

    ISS

  11. “I have learned to never take the word of a Tamil or Tamil supporter unless I have independently verified the truth.”

    J, as a Tamil and someone who respects the Sinhalese, I find your comment highly offensive. This kind of racial generalization provides ammunition to extremists and pushes moderate Tamils away from the idea that the Sinhalese and Tamils can live in peace. No ethnic group is predisposed to lying, it is a universal trait. You can confirm this by reading government propaganda. Please change for a better world.

  12. Devananda is so hypocritical, it is hilarious. When it suits him, he denounces the Mahavamsa as fiction and falsehood, for example when he says that Buddha did not visit Lanka. But then he turns around and often uses the very same Mahavamsa that he denounced as falsehood to try and prove his theories! It is obvious that this is nothing but “Mahavamsa-envy.”

    The Mahavamsa doesn’t say Dutugemunu was a Sinhalese! So now suddenly the Mahavamsa is an acceptable document for you? Maybe because it was too obvious to mention that he was Sinhala! Like historical documents in the U.S. don’t mention that George Washington or Abraham Lincoln were White. It was a given, and too obvious to mention. Or the British don’t mention that their Kings and Queens were White.

    But if he were Tamil, as Devananda is implying, which he most certainly was not!, so what’s new, Tamils love to kill other Tamils. Tamils have killed more Tamils than have died in war with Government! And you call us murderous? We were only defending our Government, as any other Government in the world would do. It is every Government’s right to defend itself against terrorists, internal or external.

    Which country in the world is going to stand by and watch as terrorists try to take half of their country to form a new country? Specially when the dire consequences of such a division were on regular display courtesy of Indian and Pakistan’s border tensions and regular eruptions of violence. Further, India still has, within it a large Muslim population and tensions and troubles between Indian Muslims and Indian Hindus. So it was obvious to us, that even if we gave you half the country in the name of peace, there will be no peace within Lanka, the problem will surely continue just as it has in India. Are we to keep giving pieces of the country until we have none left? This is what most Lankans were thinking.

    As for things like the 1983 riots, you should really look into who planned, orchestrated and ordered them, sacrificing the lives and property of their own people, to “serve the greater good of Eelam” as they believed, by securing evidence to parade to the West. Your shameful recent history against your own people and truth will soon come to light. Your atrocities against your own are so despicable, and the conspiracies and inner workings so far removed from the public persona of “fighting for the Tamils” that you are now unable to face the truth of your atrocities against your own, sacrificing anything and anyone for Eelam. So you prefer to live in the world of denial and lies.

    Mahavamsa is like a thorn in racist Tamils’ side. The Sinhalese do not have enmity toward Tamils because of Mahavamsa or the battles of Dutugemunu and Elara anymore than the Sinhalese have enmity toward Muslims because Muslim invasions wiped out Buddhism in India. We are aware of the past and what the past may signal for the present and the future, but we live in the present. We also do not hold the present day Tamils responsible for ancient history, although you Tamils certainly seem to do do with the Sinhalese. It is the present day Tamil actions that have created our feelings toward you, constantly lying, lying, lying, and spinning tall tales. The West has been swallowing all of your lies so readily for so long because of the billion of dollars you have paid them, bribed them, spent on lobbying Western Governments, politicians and even organizations like Amnesty International, that you have forgotten the reason they so readily accepted any lie you told them, even if you were saying the complete opposite the previous week or month, is because of the billions of dollars of drug and dirty money you were using to bribe/lobby them. Decades of this farce has made you forget that Sinhalese do not believe your lies, and yet you continue to spin these propaganda tales, still expecting that the world and the Sinhalese would believe them. Well sometimes some of us have believed some of your propaganda and lies, yes, the very ones that were against us and denounced us, because that is all we heard, but as always, the truth comes to light eventually. Then you turn such Sinhalese you had previously duped, even more against you, like in the saying, once bitten, twice shy. A few times of this duping and enlightening, and they will never believe a word you say again.

    If you think ridiculing our revered Kings, or attacking our religion and most sacred beliefs like the Buddha’s visits, or attacking our monks for their loyalty (what did you expect the monks would do when you bombed the two most sacred places for Buddhists in Lanka, the Dalada Maligawa and killed sil observing Buddhists at the temple and Bo tree in Anuradhapura in the thousands!) is going to make us endear us to you, you are going about it the wrong way. What would you feel about it if some group attacked your revered Gods or deities? This is a very STUPID approach. There is nothing to be gained by attacking anyone else’s religion. Did you really think we will say, oh thanks for pointing it out, now we don’t believe Buddha came to Lanka, or that Lanka is special to Buddhists?!! In your dreams. The saddest part of all of this is that, idiots like Devananda is the cause for tension between Hindus and Buddhist in Lanka. I cannot think ANY other two religions who can get along and co-exist in Lanka better than Hinduism and Buddhism, but as long as myopic idiots like Devananda write articles like this to incense Buddhists, that will remain a dream. At least be glad that there isn’t a Sinhala counterpart writing similar articles about Hindu Gods and Hinduism to make matters worse.

  13. #11 Anonymous:

    Thank you for pointing out my error. Reading your comment, I realized that you are absolutely right. I realized that for people who have not experienced what I have experienced, in believing Tamils time and time again, only to discover it was all a lie, my expression comes across as offensive. So, I thank you for your input, and I agree with your position, and I will definitely modify not only the way I express it, as you suggest I do, but also I’ve modified my thinking. Even though I now live in the U.S. and only encounter Tamils who verbally attack me yell that I murder Tamils the moment they verify that I am Sinhalese, I must not let myself forget that all Tamils in Lanka are not like that.

    I’m glad you caught me the first time I expressed my thoughts, in person or in writing. I did not “mean” to say all Tamils, but it is certainly what I wrote! Mea culpa.

    This was a new position for me, after being verbally gang-attacked by a Tamil and two Tamil propaganda believing non-Tamils last month. After coming home, I did much research on their accusations and realized that everything they said was untrue, even according to U.S. Government data, which are not exactly what you will call pro-GoSL. I will still be cautious, specially here in the U.S. because I am yet to encounter a moderate Tamil here, but yes, you are absolutely right, I must make a distinction.

    You were right to be offended, because I should not have made it seem like “all Tamils” even though I did not mean to do so, please accept my apology to you and anyone else that was offended.

    Like you, I am a Sinhalse that loves Tamils. I don’t appreciate the propaganda, and now as living in the U.S. I don’t appreciate the great damage done to our image, quite unjustly by the propaganda of Tamils, which can only be understood by a Sinhala person living here. No Tamil, or Sinhala person living in Lanka can understand the great and irreversible damage done to our image by years of Tamil propaganda. But I am, and always have been for equal rights for all citizens in Lanka, not only among races, but also among religions, and also between the sexes. I am also for modernizing the laws to shed all religious influences and make the law above all religions.

    I do not wish to be unjustly insulted, trampled on or accused, and will stand up for what I see as injustice against us, but I am fully supportive of equality for all.

    Thanks for your comment.

  14. I do not agree with this article.

    King Dutugemunu was actually an Englishman born to an English planter father and an American-English mother. This is what my grandparents say. So it has to be correct.

    See, I too can re-write the history the way I want and beleive in what I write.

    Do you beleive in what I say ?

  15. I don’t think that we, as Sri Lankans are in dire need to know ‘who is who’ and to whom we belong to??? None of us carry anything with by the time we pass away from this world but only the good deed will remain …
    Let us love and respect each others’ values regardless of our identities.
    Sri Lanka is for only Sri Lankans and none of us can claim its evolution and for sure; our identity would go back only to maximum (03) to (04) generations!!!
    “Think as one nation and act for the betterment of our beloved country”, let us practice our religion for our own benefits, not for the outcry of the entire society!!!

  16. Its interesting to read all these to understand the truth to some certain extent.

    As far as i understand, the conclusion of this chain is that, this ultimately ends up in which religion/ cast / ethnic group has more dominance than the other.. if we try to search this fact, we will end up nowhere, it is the fact that leads to ethnic, cultural wars, instability among societies etc etc etc that ends up with blood shed that we experience throughout the world History as J mentioned..

    If we need to know the origin, Lord Buddah Left his beautiful words that was later scripted in a book for Humanity, it is the Tripitaka. (Does not matter who wrote it, but is the words that Lord Buddah left for the entire humanity, and not only for the Sri lankans or east Asian community). same as the Bible, Vedas and Quran.

    As i mentioned, we all try to come to a conclusion of this ethnic / religion dominance, but we will never find an answer.. but if we try to find a answer following Lord Buddah’s teachings, at one point HE says,

    “Right now i am the leader of hundreds, but HE will be the leader of Thousands.. (Dhammapada > Sutta Pitaka > Tripitakaya.).. these messages are for whole humanity and not only for the Sri lankans.

    Now its our turn to continue the quest from that point.. its been more than 2500 years and we fellow lankans have ignored or buried those teachings.. basically we have picked the teachings only with the once we are comfortable with.. and left the remaining.. this is where the contradiction is, and that made create different Vansa’s, that has led us to this Holocaust.

  17. Lord Buddha and Dutugemunu are both TAMILS remember that every dollar given to tigers to kill innocent sleeping pregnant women unborn babies children men and Buddhist priests will work its way back to you shall reap what you sow TAMILS even one day you conquer entire SRILANKA as your brother Dutugemunu did you shall never ever be happy SANTHUTI PARAMAM DHANAM GOlden words of a TAMIL BUDDHA

  18. Thanks DBS for publishing such informative and interesting articles.

    Unlike Devananda’s previous article, in this he has fully clarified the points with references of evidence, Very interesting articles with plenty of reasoning and examples. He has done an extensive research, a lot of information in just one article. The analysis done by the author on several issues are absolutely brilliant. Even though the articles are highly academic /scholastic in nature, the language used is very simple that everybody can understand.

    Unfortunately, out of the 14 comments, other than Ranjan-Toronto, all other comments are utterly stupid and have no value at all. I wonder why these commenters are wasting their time and others time.

    The comments (or rather cut and paste) by ‘J’ is totally irrelevant to this article and just a waste of web space. Most of them who have commented here have only read the title and not the article.

    I learned a lot about Sri Lankan past from this article, I did not know we had this many chronicles in Sri Lanka. Appreciate the author for improving our general knowledge on Sri Lanka.

  19. #7 @Yapa,

    When you said, “A good fabrication of contradicting theories”, are you talking about the Mahavamsa and all other mythical Sinhalese theories that this article has very clearly exposed?

    Only now we come to know how, for many thousands of years, the Sinhalese have been twisting the stories and making many many stories or His-stories.

    This article is very clearly showing all the myths and fallacies of the Sinhalese.

    I think you should read this article again and again for about 25 times until you unlearn all the myths/fallacies your grandparents put into your head.

  20. The claim that ‘hela’ or ‘sihala’ was non existent is simply hollow.
    The texts Mahanama Thero refereed to have been from Maha Vihara of the Dutugemunu era or even older, otherwise you can not spin that much of stories(There are exceptions like Mahabharatha the yarn goes on and on .Read: India the Wonder by Basham.Historians call ‘Yalpana Vaipawamalai’ a fiction!!!),
    Besides they have been cross checked and established as fact by epigraphy.
    Now the assignment of Venerable Buddhaghosha( some say he was a Tamil Buddhist monk) was to translate ‘Hela Atuwa into Pali’ ( in Sinhala ‘Hel Atuwa Paliyata Neguha!!!!).
    After writing his infamous dissertation the ‘Visuddhimagga’ this erudite( if you read the Visuddhimagga you would want him to call this ) monk should definitely have done the assigned task.
    So this Dayanada’s claim no mention of Hela sounds Hollow to me.
    The more he writes the more he contradicts and ends up in Prof. Thambiah’s lot all the more.
    Besides would there be special reference to the ancestry om Mahinda Rajapaksha as ‘Sinhala ‘
    in numerous plaques he ceremonially open in every nook and corner?
    Isn’t it taken for granted that he is???
    I just want to add my 2 cents worth in to this debate.

    Right or wrong there is only one history, the Authenticity of it can only be established with living evidence( e,g, Epigraphy for sure).

    So bottom line before claiming that Vipawamalai is in the same league of Mahawansa needs some established proof by epigraphy to join that league of Mahawansa let us be fair here,
    No malice or nothing against Dayananda though.

    Ajith Boralugoda

  21. Absolute rubbish and I am sure that there will be a few Devanandas in about 1000 years time if not earlier who would make similar attempts to re-write the history books by saying “In the year of 2009, The great Tamil King Mahinda Rajapaksam killed a ruthless Sinhala Terror leader Velupol Prabhakar” and ruled the country. To argue that King Dutugemunu was not Sinhala is the same as saying Prabhakaran was not Tamil.

  22. @12 “J”

    I think either you have not read the 2 articles (other than its titles) or you need some kind of institutionalized mental treatment because all what you have said is not at all matching with what is said in the articles. Like Fernando used to always say, where are you going, coconut in my bag syndrome. You better go for a medical (mental) checkup at your earliest.

  23. If you read the story of Dutugemunu as described in the Mahavamsa it would be very clear that the story is of a Sinhala king uniting the sentiments of the country and fighting a foreign invader. In that it was written by the Sinhala for the Sinhala, I believe everybody was expected to be familiar wth the context.

    Do you think there is any modern history that explicitly states that Churchill was an Englaishman – certainly no statue or enscription dedicated to him today would state this. In two thousand years’ time do you expect somebody to suggest that he may have been a German for want of evidence to the contrary?

  24. Oh dear, this was a long awaited reply but after reading the articles I understood that to put up such an article you will definitely need a lot of time and effort.  What I like about this guy is, he writes in very simple and precise way that any simple mind can understand. Earlier most of us thought that he was a Tamil Eelamist/racist but now the author’s intention is very clear. 

    Now where is that nut-case who was ranting and raving about one of my comments? I am sure he will come up with more and more crap. I lost my cool/sense of humor after his stupid arguments. 

    I see very long reply from the “J” guy who misguided one member last time by saying “go and ask a monk”.  Since he made the first comment I read it and now regretting why I wasted my time. It is not at all related to the articles presented here. I think this ‘J’ guy did not read these articles but just simply commenting.  The biggest joke is, someone (Senguttuvan) who commented on his comment is calling it a scholarly comment, my foot! 

    Ranjan-Toronto seems to have dropped the criminal charges against the author.
    Another utter stupid and meaningless comment by the guy who says “absence of proof has been taken as proof of absence”.  

    It is good and interesting if people read the articles and make their comments but other than one or two, it looks all others who have commented here have never read the articles. 

    More evaluation on this later when time permits.

  25. #23 Saj

    It is highly doubtful that either Dutu Gemunu or Elara advanced `Sinhala/Tamil` nation theories. However modern day nationalists seem to have HIJACKED THIS STORY and put an ethno-linguistic spin on it to justify and buttress an ethno-linguistic agenda.

    Dutu Gemunu is presented as a `SINHALA HERO`, but WAS HE OF THE SINHALA TRIBE? DOES THE MAHAVAMSA REFER TO HIM AS BEING A `SINHALESE`?

    Is Tissa a name of the Sinhala tribe or the Naga tribe? Who gave Dutu Gemunu a `Sinhala` tag? Where is the evidence? A person being a Buddhist does not provide him with a `Sinhala` tag as during this period Tamils too were Buddhists,

    The fact that the Mahavamsa refers to Elara as a Tamil, does not automatically provide Dutu Gemunu with a `Sinhala` tag.

    As per this author, there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to indicate that Dutu Gemunu was a Sinhala.

    Was Dutu Gemunu a HERO?
    Dutu Gemunu advanced on Anuradhapura and vanquished the Tamil king Elara, after Elara had challenged him to single combat. But then, Elara was over 70 years old and Dutu Gemunu was in his 20s.
    Does a 20-year-old Dutu Gemunu, killing a 70-year-old Elara in single combat, make him a hero?

    I would suggest that while Dutu Gemunu`s `Sinhala` credentials are open for debate, his `heroic` credentials are also suspect. There are also his Buddhist credentials as the murderer of a geriatric. Are murderers of Tamil geriatrics considered champions in our culture?
    Can a mass murderer be a Buddhist?

  26. Devananda, The way your writings progress I assume that in your next column you might say that Tamils migrate from Srilankan South[from Magampura] to Tamil Nadu to colonise long before even Buddha born.

    And as DBS hide who is this Devananda,I have doubt that it is DBS himself and the Devananda are same person.

  27. We are wasting time in analysing whether Dutugemunu is a Singhla or Tamil but is dravidian. For those who believe in rebirths his soul would have had many rebirths . The story was written by the people who never lived at the time war took place. It is a dirty weapon of gossip to inspire hatred between Tamils and Singhlaese to gain power and mislead to races. As per history Dutugemunu respected Ellalan. if the war would have taken place. He would had many rebirths as Tamil or Singhala or Indian or Muslims.

  28. So where the hell did the Sinhalese come from then? They must have come from somewhere surely? They also must have been in Sri Lanka for a while longer than the rest considering that over the ages they have evolved a language, script, dress, cuisine, architectural style, music, dance, musical instruments, a set of religious beliefs, that are not found anywhere else in the word. SL Tamils too, given time will diverge culturally from their Indian brethren like the Keralas, Karnatakas and the Andras have. However they have not been separate from their parent population for long enough for this to have happend which is why they share the same language, religion, script, danceform, music, cuisine and cultural practices.

    Not that it should matter one bit when it comes to equal righs and entitlements. But they just need to be reminded of this fact when they get on their hobby horse about a third of the country being their “exclusive traditional homeland from time immemorial” And try to label Sinhalese peasants in Trincomalee, Padaviya and Inginiyagala as “illegal colonists of Tamil traditional lands”.

    No. The Mahavamsa does not say “incidently for the benefit of those living in the 20th century Dutugemunu was a Sinhalese” However it does say that he complained about being hemmed in by Tamils in the North and the Sea in the South. It is therefore not outragous to infer that he was not a Tamil himself. If not a Tamil then what? Not a Moslem. They did not exist in 170bc. Not a vedda, they were not organised into kingdoms. Any other plausible candidates anyone?

  29. So whats the point Devananda is trying to make? That there was nothing called Sinhala in 170bc? Any Sinhalese would tell him that. There is no dispute. However the island was inhabited by the forebears of the Sinhalese. They appear to have been Tamils, Nagas (whoever they were), Yakkas (Veddas?), Even Yavanas (Greeks), Kambojas (Afghans) etc. Then over the centuries they integrated into one new identity with a new name, Sinhala.

  30. #13 ” j”

    It is totally uncivilized way the tamils ganged up & verbally attcked you. especially in the USA ,a civilized place.
    I can relate your feelings as I was physically attacked when sinhalese gagged up on me in 1983 , unfortunately friend of mine did not survive.
    I’m not taking personally against sinhalese or generalizing & so many instances they save me from patriotic gangs in Colombo.

  31. The heading of this article – Something like asking whether the man of the family is the father of the newborn child.

  32. Dutugemunu must be coward, crminal blood thirsty sinhala evil nothing else. As you all know sinhala budhism different from budhism from other peaceful civilized countries. Budhism in srilanka praticed by cold blooded muderers and their slaves. I dont beleive budha ever step in to this evil sinhala srilanka.
    Digging all stupid stone history never going to help srilanka or ealam tamils. Let each other respect each others way of life or no future for evil sinhala srilanka or peace tamils land of ealam.

  33. Look like Dutugamunu is a tamil king according to the article.

    I think writers destroy our history.

    I know nothing about history, but if you read little bit, you will understand that the name sinhala started when Vijaya came to sri lanka (According to the mahavansa). But the same people lived 1000’s years without that nametag. (Example, Qvani is a Yaksha not Sinhala) & vijaya is from India.

    As an example, no one can say that Sri Lanka has history only 38 (because the name Sri Lnka introduced in 1972) but before that same people live in this country 1000s years with differnet different names.

    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elara_(monarch)
    Elara was a Chola king from the Chola Kingdom, that’s mean he was not born in sri lanka but he came to sri lanka from india and capture a part.

    Check this article
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tamil_Nadu#Cholas
    its says Cholas were constantly troubled by the ever resilient Sinhalas trying to overthrow the Chola occupation of Lanka.

    kings from india and south india came to Sri lanka time to time and capture some area. Sri lanak had grete battles in the history including Ramayana. Vijaya also from india, Great King Rawana also from India.

    But there is no any indiacation that there was a separate Tamil country in the north.
    2500 years ago buddha came to Sri lanka from Trincomalee & jaffa. If there were separate country then he should have been landed in different port in Sri lanka.

    RAMA came to sri lanka from jaffan (if there were a separate country then he should have been to Sri lanka from South of Sri Lanka)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutthagamani_of_Sri_Lanka
    it says
    defeating and overthrowing the usurping Tamil king of Anuradhapura, Elara of India
    that’s mean elara was not Sri lankan tamil (but from india). He just came to capture sri lanka and ruled 30 years.

    Because of the name “Tamil” (acually Chola), it desnt men that there was a tamil kidom in sri lanka. If there was a tmail kindom in Sri lanka and Elara captured it then tamil (or tamil king) should have been fought againt King Elara to leberate their country. Not by a Sinhalese king Dutugamunu from south.

    According to the history Sri lankan Kings prefer to marry from india (for security reason to be more powerful), when they got married indian queen, she came to sri lanka with large amount of relatives, finally those relative become generals of the security forcess in Sri lanka. Therfeore lots of names were indian origin. It doesn’t mean that there was a tamil kindom and that’s why tamils names wre there.

    That’s is what I believe. Again (I have no any knowlege on Sri lankan history) I just started to read recently found its very interesting. Open for any discussion

  34. Neither do they say if he was Chinese, Maori, Mongolian, Masai, Apache, Scottish, Jewish, Arab or even Timbaktoorian!

  35. A lot of research and scholarship has gone into these two articles but the depth of these writings are unappreciated by those obsessed with the Mahavamsa mindset. It is clear that other than one or two, all others who have commented here have read only the title, or not educated enough to read and understand the articles.

    JL Devananda is casting pearls before swine.

  36. I like to read at least one good comment from an educated person who has read the articles. Other than Ranjan-Toronto, nobody else seems to have read the articles, all stupid comments, nothing related to the articles.

    Everybody is commenting on Duttu Gemuni but the article refers to him only at one or two places.

  37. We all Sri Lankans were divided through our believe system. I imagine that Sinhala race was borne due to protect the Buddhism against Hinduism. Evidences tell us that Dutte Kemunu`s fronts have more Tamils as well as Ella front. The different between us is only our believing religion.

  38. 14. Ping-Pong FYI

    English Language

    Old English ( AD 450 to AD1066)
    Middle English. (AD1067-1650)
    Modern English (after AD 1650)

    Sinhala language

    Proto-Sinhala (3rd – 7th century AD)
    Medieval Sinhala (7th – 12th century AD)
    Modern Sinhala (12th century – present)

    How can DUTUGEMUNU(161 BC – 137 BC)
    was Sinhala or English? No logic in your comment.

    But Elara was Tamil (As per Mahavamsa) Dutugemunu (NEITHER Sinhala nor Tamil as per Mahavamsa) in that period.

    Why don’t you understand the point that this author made there was no such Tamil-Sinhala opponent exist rather religion played in the main role of the ‘kings era’?

    We live in the modern democratic world. Nation shouldn’t be taken fabricated history as an example to priorities majority race as only owner of the land and discriminate other minorities. Unfortunately that had happened since the independents in the name of ‘SriLankan Government’ (National Flag, National Anthem, National Policy, National Security everywhere)

    Un-learning and Re-Learning is very important to all. Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission what going to do without knowing these facts? Srilankan Democracy should change the ‘mono-ethnic’ face soon and should not carry the sward against minorities.
    Srilanka is well enough to share the power and resources among 2 key (Tamil-Sinhala) governors of the land.

  39. @37 Sankaran

    You are wrong. It very clearly indicates he was a Naga. Please read the article using a pair of glasses in case if you have a problem with your eyes.

  40. Well researched articles. It answers many of the questions. The arguments are now scientific, rational and logical than the previous article.

    Seek Truth, for truth sets you free.

    I have now obtained many answers that I had regarding the Tamils and the Mahavamsa.

    HATS OFF TO YOU DEVANANDA. YOU NEED GUTS TO POST THIS ARTICLE. JAYAWEWA.

  41. #31 Dingiri

    The author says there is No sinhalese not 170bc but also 170Ac and till 12th Century AC.

    #28 Pon

    Regarding what you said, about rebirth there is a very beautiful and interesting comment in the other article (by Bandu) written by one Cholan, it is a must read, so beautiful.

    #35 Mutthu
    If you read at least the conclusion of this article you will not make such stupid comment.

    #36 svinson

    which part of the article says DutuGemunu is a Tamil King? I went through twice and I could not find, it says he was a Naga. Are you simply gessing or did you wake up from a dream?

    #24 Fernando

    Man, where are your jokes? Who is the nut-case you are talking about?

  42. 9. Ranjan, Toronto

    The writer says that one good effect that the LTTE had on the Tamil society was the disappearance of the caste system. Now I don’t believe for one minute that the Hindu caste system has been broken

    ——————————-

    In a previous article about the father of VP. Velupillai DBSJ had said that the father was caste conscious but the son would mingle and bring the low caste people into their family temple.

    Also in the LTTE people like S.P. Tamil chelvan a barber by caste had risen to the level of a senior person in the ranks of the LTTE.

    Again when there is war and confusion the caste system gets beating.

    Now people should be marrying only based on their likes in Jaffna, because of the skewed sex ratio there.

    Some body well informed about the Jaffna and the Wanni would be able to let us know better.

    ———————————–

    I also like your comment for a certain amount of openness in your remarks about the article.

    I think this kind of openness towards the truth is most needed at this hour.

  43. Sinhala is a nation evolved from a mix of tribes who lived in this country for thousands of years which the writer accepts. Accordingly, Sinhala people have a very strong emotional connection to the lineage of kings listed in Mahavansa who may be yakkha, naga, deva, rakshasa or any other. The advent of Buddhism was a key congruent point of the Sinhala nation where all tribes adopted Buddhism and it’s way of life thus unifying the nation. That is why only the Sinhalese have such a overwhelming connection to Buddhism in this country. The Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa civilisations are not Tamil but predominantly Buddhist civilisations linking Sinhalese to these civilisations . Therefore Tamils don’t have any claim to be the dominant culture of this land at any time in the history. On the other hand Sinhala Buddhist (as no other community in this land is linked with Buddhism) civilisation dominated this land from the advent of Buddhism before Mahavansa was written.

    Accordingly, suggest the writer (and other ignorant commentators) to accept his own quote below for it’s literal meaning and focus on the present and future of this land as a unified nation of Sri Lankans.

    “A Tamil inscription found in a Hindu temple in South India during the Rajaraja Chola 1 (10th/11th AD) also has a very similar statement like what was found in the Mahabaratha with a slight variation, referring to Lanka it say, ‘the land of the warlike Singalas’. ”

    if not for the huge demographic alteration caused by Western colonialists in bringing indentured Tamil labour from India to plant tobacco in the North and tea in the hill country there would not be a Tamil community of any significance in this land for Devananda and his ilk to debate.

  44. 43. Mahesh ////I have now obtained many answers that I had regarding the Tamils and the Mahavamsa.HATS OFF TO YOU DEVANANDA. YOU NEED GUTS TO POST THIS ARTICLE. JAYAWEWA.//////

    Be happy at last because the article agrees with your mind set!!

  45. Nadaraja,

    “I would suggest that while Dutu Gemunu`s `Sinhala` credentials are open for debate, his `heroic` credentials are also suspect. There are also his Buddhist credentials as the murderer of a geriatric. Are murderers of Tamil geriatrics considered champions in our culture?”

    I think you forgot to mention that even Elara the invader killed Asela the indigenous king after defeating him in battle. So the Tamil Elara was no saint himself when it came to killing adversaries.

  46. 36. svinson ,

    Thats very good you begin to re-learn the real history.
    But don’t take wikipedia that quaoting ‘Mahavamsa’
    reference (written around 400AD)’A Damila of noble descent…from the Chola-country’ and again that you belive all Tamils are invaders or Generals from south India. Even sinhala vijayan from East India(deported? or invader?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simhapura.

    As Srilanka close to India(even connected by land before) human race entered through india from Africa.
    No doubt they could be from south india in prehistoric period. They can be maintain their connection with south india centuries over centuries.(So,what is the big deal about Chola or Pandiya?)

    You should read S. U. Deraniyagala
    Director-General of Archaeology, Sri Lanka (http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/dera1.html)
    what he says ‘During the last one million years, when humans are known to have existed in various parts of India (v. Mishra 1995), Sri Lanka was connected to the sub-continent on numerous occasions. The rise and fall of sea level (due to cold/warm fluctuations in the global climate) determined the periodicities of these connections, the last separation having occurred at ca. 7000 BP .There are, however, ancient coastal sands in the north and southeast of the island which could be as early as 250,000 (or even 700,000-500,000) BP (ibid: 686, 688). Whether these sands contain evidence of human habitation has yet to be determined, a prime research goal for the future.’

    Elera mean in tamil ‘Eela Raja'(SenkaiAliyan wrote a historical novel based on this fact ) he was native like ‘Eelathu Puthathevanar’ don’t be confuse with chola.
    That was latest history.’

  47. Thanks for casting the pearls, JLD. Highly thought provoking set of articles.

    I also had the Mahayanic mindset. Then I grew up!

  48. Throughout his write up Mr.Devananda had brought up some twisted facts and illogical arguments to show that Mahawamsa is a myth and Sinhala race is a makeup of Ven Mahanama and there was no Sinhala race before the 7the century. If what Devananda says is true, Oxford scholar Rhys Davies and historian Wilhhelm Geiger are fools for they said historians relied on Dipawamsa and Mahawamsa as the primary sources for ancient South Asian chronology. Not just that, Devananda also condemns Prof. Paranavitana’s writing as one sided and biased towards Sinhala. Perhaps as far as he is concerned only Prof Thambiah’s writing is authentic.

    I being a mere enthusiast reader of history and archaeology, it is rather silly for me to try and demonstrate here that well known grater scholars such as Davies, Geiger and Paranavitana are in the right and a little known lesser researcher like Devananda is in the wrong.

    However I must make few important points clear. Visuddhimagga was written in Pali by a Dravidaian monk named ‘Buddhaghosa’ in around 412 AD. Oxford educated English translator of Visuddhimagga named Ven. Nanamoli, lay name Osborn Moor wrote in his translation that Buddhaghosa had come to Anuradhapura to translate Tripitaka from Sinhala to Pali. And Visuddhimagga was a writing to prove his erudition to Maha Vihara chiefs.

    That means Tripitake was available in Sinhala in the fifth century CE. But Devananda says; ‘Sinhla’ was nowhere mentioned before the seventh century. To cover up his pretence, Mr. Devananda might say Visuddhimagga and Buddhagosa is a myth or that particular part of writing is a latter addition by Maha Vihara chiefs. Whatever Mr. Devananda says, Buddhists all over the world accept that the present day Pali Tripitaka are copies of the Buddhagosha’s translation from Sinhala Tripitaka of Maha Vihara.

    Mr. Devananda says Robert Knox had said that, in 1679 in Anuradapura, people spoke in Tamil. And for that reason he asserts it was fully occupied by Tamils. Mr Devananda’s logic is absurd for if taken in the same light, the fact that the pact between Portuguese and Arya Chakravarthi King of Jaffna had been drafted in Sinhala and Portuguese and not in Tamil means Jaffna was occupied by Sinhalas.

    In trying to prove a somewhat similar point, Devananda says a treaty between the king of Kotte, Bhuvanehabahu VII and the Portuguese was signed in Tamil. He should know that these are minor points for not only our last king was Tamil but many other kings and queens and even president JRJ is said to have had Dravidian blood.

    Also in 1612, the local official for elephants in Jaffna is referred to by its Sinhalese name “Kuruwe Vidane”. Prof Tikiri Abeyasinghe had shown that after serving as viceroy at Goa for 7 years as President of the India Council in Lisbon around 1626, the Count of Vidigueira believed that the inhabitants of Jaffna were Sinhalese. Mr. Devananda; does that mean Jaffna was occupied by Sinhalas.

    In another futile exercise to prove that Tamils had a separate country in the north throughout history, Mr.Devananda brags a point that the Portuguese and the Dutch had ruled Jaffna as a separate entity without amalgamating it with the Sinhalese areas. One need not be a scholar to know that the Portuguese and the Dutch ruled them separately because those areas were separated by vast stretch of land. He deliberately missed out that in 1450 CE, Parâkramabâhu VI had unified all of Sri Lanka and chased out the Cholas back to India. Just three hundred years before that Parakramabahu the great also unified Sri Lanka.

    Let me make another point for Mr. Devananda to ponder: Leave out his claim that Tamils were living in Sri Lanka for thousands of years, if only they were living here for just one thousand years, they should have evolved to be a new nation with a new identity, just like all other island nations. Small group of people that landed in Maldives islands developed a unique language and culture to become Moldavians in less than thousand years. Wijaya and company that settled in Sri Lanka two thousand five hundred years ago had mixed with the local tribes to evolve as Sinhalese.

    Though Tamils claim to live thousand years in this island their language and culture is still akin to that of the Tamils of Tamil Nadu. Why? haven’t their language and culture evolved like that of the Sinhalese or Moldavians? Mr. Devananda must answer that question for Tamils have no chronicles in Sri Lanka to answer such questions. But our chronicles provide clear answers. Only for specific periods, Tamil invaders had Kingdoms in Sri Lanka. Like Cinkili when they were beaten, they went back to India. As Devananda says, those who stayed behind were assimilated to Sinhala society.

    I thought Devananda’s main theme had been to prove “Neither Epigraphy nor Pali chronicles say Dutugemunu was a Sinhala.” Nay, he has other ideas. The beginning of his conclusion gives a clear indication: “The ‘Sri Lankan Tamils’ have lost everything and are reduced to refugees in their own land” said he.

    “The unity and solidarity among the Tamil speaking Sri Lankans (North, East, Upcountry, Colombo and the Tamil speaking Muslims) is the number one priority.” That and many such phrases are sufficient enough for anyone to understand his villainy motives.
    Leela

  49. #4 Dilshan F
    your comment was on Jan 31, it is Feb 2 today . As you suggest we do not care about youe comment- it is only a past.
    If you read my comment tomorrow, do not care either & again it is a past.
    I was planning for tomorrow, but I lost the direction because I forgot the past. Help me!

  50. Hats off to Ping pong #41 you have given a short and clear answer to the dates accordiing to the dates DUTU GEMENU /ELLARA WAR was not based on Sinhala /Tamil
    It was based on Budhist / Hidue Lines
    The only problem it is not known what DUTTU GEMENU spoke because during his time there was no Sinhalese LANGUAGE The modern Sihalese characterise him as a Sinhalese ON WHAT BASIS GOD ONLY KNOWS

    Nathen

  51. #47@Hela,

    The answers to all your confusion, and all your questions are fully addressed in these two articles very clearly. You better read very specially the section which explains how the Sinhalese became a majority in Sri Lanka.

    I think you should read this article again and again for about 25 times until you unlearn all the myths/fallacies your grandparents put into your head.

    I am sure you will get civilized after that and may not make such stupid comments.

  52. #51@Leela,[

    Perhaps as far as he is concerned only Prof Thambiah’s writing is authentic.]I could not find Prof Thambiah quoted anywhere in this article? Is it your imagination? 

    If you read the article, the author very clearly explains with reference from Tika how the Sinhalaattha katha came into existance and when actually it was mentioned (after 13th CAD).I am sure, very similarly, even Visuddhimagga was written in Pali by a Dravidaian monk named ‘Buddhaghosa’ in 5th cAD is true but the translation from ‘Sinhala to pali’ was not mentioned anywhere in Mahavamsa or any Epigraphy, it also must have come later in someplace like Tika.All these stories of Mahavamsa and Tripitaka translated from Sinhala to Pali was not mentioned in Mahavamsa or Tripitaka or even in any epigraphy, these stories about translation came later. The original writings were either in Sanskrit or Magadi and NOT Sinhala. Written in Sinhala is a cooked up story, the biggest joke is, just after the translation, the original Sinhala copies have disappeared without any trace. Only some gullible morons will believe such cock and bull stories. Oxford educated English translator of Visuddhimagga named Ven. Nanamoli, lay name Osborn Moor also must have innocently believed what you gullible believed, he cannot be second to you. Just because he believed it, it cannot become truth, prove it, where is it mentioned, by whom and when?

  53. #47@Hela,

    The answers to all your confusions, and all your questions are fully addressed in these two articles very clearly. You better read very specially the section which explains how the Sinhalese became a majority in Sri Lanka.

    I think you should read this article again and again very carefully for about 25 times until you unlearn all the myths/fallacies your grandparents and those monks put into your head.

    I am sure you will come out from the Mahavamsa mindset and get civilized after that and may not make such stupid comments.

    These two articles are pearls but unfortunately casted on to some swine, sad.

  54. 51. ohhhhh Leela !
    Did you asked ‘Though Tamils claim to live thousand years in this island their language and culture is still akin to that of the Tamils of Tamil Nadu. Why? haven’t their language and culture evolved like that of the Sinhalese or Moldavians?

    Please, tell me, Why they should evolve like as Sinhalese while they already had unique language,culture and life style as ‘Eelath Thamilar’ or ILLankai Thamilar? Even Tolkāppiyam and Agattiyam the grammar of the Tamil language were exist before 3 B.C. You can check with any one still ‘Eelathu Tamil’ accepted as Pure Tamil rather Tamil Naddu Tamil.

    By Nature we lankan Tamils haven’t had mixed or split from the original Tamil like Malayalam,Kannada or Thelunku in south india. But don’t forget Tamil contribueted lot in formation of ‘Sinhala’ language. (Some genuine scholars like Devenada should research this as separate field)

    Even for your arguement- ‘ if only they were living here for just one thousand years, they should have evolved to be a new nation with a new identity’

    Taken account of your “Baby Theory”(?) why 2000 years old your history only evolved ‘sin’halese in the first half ? Why they haven’t evolved as ‘Man’halese in just another one thousand years?’they should have evolved to be a new nation with a new identity’ (Your words!)

    The unity and solidarity among the Tamil speaking Sri Lankans seems to you as ‘ villainy motives’ (?) since that moment you are out of the equation.

    You can not digest or understand pre historic Tamil settlement or Archaeological evidence that expanding the Island history from mahavamsa boundaries until you come out from this mind set. Then only you can realise Tamils not only have more than 2500 years history in this land but also origin inhabitants of Lanka.

  55. “NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY DUTUGEMUNU WAS A SINHALA

    “NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY Elara WAS A Tamil”

    Bottmline is Elara lost. Dutugamunu won.
    The writer is trying to agitate the masses by bringing in the past.

    Let’s wait until somebody writes about;
    “NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY Mahinda Rajapaksa WAS A SINHALA & V. Prabakaran was a Tamil.
    Bottmline is Praba lost. Rajapaksa won.

    This article is hogwash and read on your pass time.

    Noone gives a flying hoot who is what as long as the country stays united with freedom of movement for every citizen.

  56. 7. yapa |,
    Donot write this sort of unintelegent and provacative comments why not ask your learned monks with the help of your sinhala government write and publish the 20 books you are saying

  57. 47. Gavin

    Be happy at last because the article agrees with your mind set!!

    ===========================

    Yes I do feel happy that these articles go with my views. Thank you for reminding me this.

    This doesn’t end here. It will be and has to be countered by scholars from the other side.

    Thanks to DBSJ for this kind of intellectual debate.

    Hope this contributes to the peace of the island.

  58. 51. Leela:- thank you for your great contribution. Davananda is choosing parts of chronicles and interpreting his own way. What is does is widen rift between the two races, nothing else. A scum bag I would say. In my thinking the article does not look at things in the current context but rake up shit. There are many many people like Devananda unfortunatly.

  59. 51. Leela

    Most of the points you have mentioned had already been raised and answered/debunked in previous articles so it is not necessary to repeat it again.(eg Kuruwe-Kuruba or Kuravars are an ancient tribes from India).

    Regarding the so called Sinhala signatures in the Jaffna convention, why not get a copy of it from Lisbon and publish (it is not a difficult task for the Government) or we have to consider it as another myth.

    It is certainly the so called White scholars who had started the present mindset by their half baked or ‘grasping the top only’ approach and publishing distorted history while sojourning in Newara Eliya. In fact most of them had never visited North or East and relied on the jathika kathawas’ narrated by their servants.
    The locals didn’t have the means to publish their works(the copyright on the book with national anthem was pawned by the author) and the ola leaves in Jaffna were destroyed first when the Portuguese burnt the Saraswathy mahal library in Nallur and then a sizable amount was burnt in Jaffna library with the same intention.

    I don’t know about JRJ but SWRD’s paternal ancestor was a kapurale named Neelanperumal. Hope Jdevananda or someone would enlighten us about the Pali tripitaka and how it ended up in a Matale Vihare to be found later.

    Even the Maldive’s history is re examined with newfound evidences so why not us.
    “Early scholars like H.C.P. Bell, who resided in Sri Lanka most of his life, claim that Buddhism came to the Maldives from Sri Lanka. Since then, new archaeological discoveries point to Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhist influences, which are likely to have come to the islands straight from the Subcontinent. An urn discovered in Maalhos (Ari Atoll) in the 1980s has a Vishvavajra inscribed with Protobengali script. This text was in the same script used in the ancient Buddhist centres of learning in Nalanda and Vikramashila. There is also a small Porites stupa in the Museum where the directional Dhyani Buddhas (Jinas) are etched in its four cardinal points as in the Mahayana tradition. Some coral blocks with fearsome heads of guardians are also displaying Vajrayana Iconography. All these relatively recent archaeological discoveries are today exhibited in a side room of the small National Museum in Male’ along with other artifacts.”

    During the past 30 to 40 years many research had been done by the Universities in Jaffna & South India. Hav you read the works of Dr.Sivasamy, Dr. Pathmanathan, Dr.S.K.Sitrampalam or Dr. Pushparatnam. For instance have you read the book “Ancient coins of Srilankan Tamil rulers” by Dr. P.Pushparatnam(dedicated to his guru Prof Y.Subbaralayu and with a forward by Dr. R.Nagaswamy, two distinguished epigraphists and archeologists. His doctorial thesis ‘Cultural relationship between Tamilnadu and Srilanka upto 5th Century AD(based on archaelogical survey) is another good read. Prof K.Indrapala’s thesis from Peradeniya campus is now outdated and it is a well known fact he would not have got his doctoral degree or professorship if he had written otherwise .

    It is not diificult to conclude that Jaffna & other Tamil areas were ruled not by kings but by village elders/ headmen in a ‘Panchayat’ system prior to the entry of South Indian kings during their quest for expansion.

    Many colonist writers had commented about the timid nature of the Tamils and even the latter day kings has to bring in soldiers and periodically get reinforcements from South India as they could not recruit them locally. The absence of Kings does not mean absence of dwellers.

    What interested me in your post is the misquoting of Dr.Tikiri Abeyasinghe, Professor of Modern history in the University of Colombo,1974-1985, until his death).
    I have his book ‘Jaffna under the Portuguese’ (Lake House Puulications, 1986). Not a word about any Sinhalese in Jaffna!
    Dr.Abeyasinghe had visited Goa Historical Archives in 1967 & 1982 and also stayed in Portugal during 1978-79 for nine months and visited Arquivo da Torre do Tombo & Arquivo Històrico Ultramarino, the two leading archives in Lisbon, and has not seen the so called pact drafted in Sinhala & Portuguese language anywhere!!

    Interestingly, Dr.Abeyesinghe did explain the misconception of Portuguese and their failure to distinguish between Tamils & Sinhalas in pages 26-57, when Lisbon overruled the local officials’ plan to exile mudaliyars and settle casados amongst Jaffna population.

    ‘The decision of the Lisbon authorities is embodied in a letter dated 15th March 1634. The views of the two old Asia hands seemed to have influenced the authorities in Lisbon, particularly on the need for caution and for not rocking the boat. Lisbon also seemed to have disliked blanket solutions-such as the removal of the entire group of mudaliyars-a solution founded on the a priori reasoning that the group could be potentially dangerous. ..
    The deceision of the Lisbon authorities was founded on natural justice. It was also founded on misintelligence. A principal factor they took into consideration in arriving at their decision was the possibility that the implementation of the two proposals would lead to rebellion. This is clear from a statement in their latter of 15 March 1634, “…se nåo deve fazer novidade…porque de outro modo escanalizar junta tanta gente e de animos tåo inquietos e pouco fieis….” (no innovation ought to be tried …because otherwise people of such restless spirit and little faith will be acandalized….) But in fererring to people of restless spirit and little faith, the Lisbon authorities were thinking of the Sinhalese of the Kotte and not of the Tamils of Jaffna, as the phrase “como såo os chingalas”(as are the Sinhalese) which followed the extract quoted above makes clear.[taken from Goa archives] Three decades of rebellion in the Kotte lands had implanted among the Lisbon authorities a wholesome fear of attempting anything likely to cause unrest among the Sinhalese. To that fear and to the misintelligence among the Lisbon authorities that Jaffna was inhabited by the Sinhalese[such misintelligence was not confined to Lisbon. The count of Vidigueira, after serving as vicery at Goa for 7 years(in two term) after a term as President of the India Council in Lisbon, still believed in 1626 that the inhabitants of Jaffna were Sinhalese. ANTT Doc. Rem.Livro 24 doc 18 (no folio numbers) Even Fernåo de Queiros’ work was not free from this error. See pp, 357,361.366,371 etc.], the Jaffna mudaliyars owed their survival.”
    -courtesy Dr.Abeyasinghe

    However the Jaffna people, in order to escape conversion to Catholism, had emigrated to Wanni(many died due to Malaria) as well as to India. Dr Abeyeasighe(pg 60) says ‘It is, of course, not possible to prove the depopulation of Jaffna by statistics, but one set of figures, given by Dom Gaspar Elemguar Adigari to the Seixas commission, confirms this trend: his village of Puttur, which formerly had 100 households, had in 1645 no more than 14 or 15[ANTT Doc.Rem.livro 26 ff,298.316]’.He also says ‘Belchior Botelho da Silva also referred to considerable extents of land being available for allotment in Jaffna, on account of depopulation[AHU India Caixa 11 file 205]’.

    This is the process how one community became the minority.

  60. Professor Johnston often said that if you didn’t know history, you didn’t know anything. You were a leaf that didn’t know it was part of a tree. ~Michael Crichton, Timeline

  61. Hela,

    It is absolutely hilarious to see a race which never existed before the 9th/12th CAD claiming the whole country (sole owners) just because they speak a new language (borrowed from many others), they became large in size (because the Portuguese and Dutch settled tens of thousands from south India that assimilated with them) and since the British joined North to South in 1833 gave them the whole country in 1948.

  62. Zulu,

    “NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY DUTUGEMUNU WAS A SINHALA’
    !00% TRUE.

    “NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY Elara WAS A Tamil”
    100% FALSE,
    Mahavamsa says Elara was a Tamil.

    “NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY Mahinda Rajapaksa WAS A SINHALA’
    100% FALSE.
    It is written everywhere, even in public toilets that Mahinda Rajapaksa was a Sinhala.

    “NEITHER EPIGRAPHY NOR PALI CHRONICLES SAY V. Prabakaran was a Tamil.’
    50% TRUE, 50% FALSE
    Because some say he is a Malayalee.

    These two articles are not written for scholars and educated people, not for coconut puckers and fishermen.

  63. #48 Dingiri

    With reference to my comment #26, you said,
    *****I think you forgot to mention that even Elara the invader killed Asela the indigenous king after defeating him in battle. So the Tamil Elara was no saint himself when it came to killing adversaries.******

    The Tamil Hindu prince Elara killed Asela and ruled for 44 years as a good king. He was 70 years when he fought a single battle with Duttu Gamunu. He was NOT a Buddhist.

    Dutta Gemunu was a ‘BUDDHIST’ Naga prince (NOT Sinhala), he was 20 odd years old when he battled a single combat with 70 years old Elara. Before going for battle with Elara, he worshipped the Hindu God Katharagama (NOT Buddha). He killed sixty thousand Tamils (a mass murderer).

    Who gave him a ‘SINHALA’ tag? Why? How? When? Where?
    Who gave him the ‘HERO’ title? How? Why?
    Who gave him the ‘BUDDHIST’ tag? How? Why?

  64. #56 Raj the enlightened one,

    Sorry, I do no have time to read the article 25 times.

    Appreciate if you could tell me what I missed.

    Sinhalese are the decendants of early tribes who lived in this country for thousands of years (i.e. they did not fall from the sky or mass migrated from anywhere in the world). This is accepted by Devnanda him/her self.

    Secondly Sinhala Buddhists are/were the dominant community through out the recorded history of the country. No other community dominated this land as the Sinhalese did and presently do.

    It doesn’t mean Tamils did not live in this country for a substantially long period and do not have equal rights. Sinhalese are not ignorant to acknowledge possible Tamil migrations throughout history due to sheer proximity between South India and Sri Lanka. For that matter ‘Tamils of recent Indian origin’ also have the same equal rights though Jaffna Tamils do not like it so much. However, Tamils have never been the dominant community of this country.

    No amount of Mahawansa bashing can erase the above history. Devananda should have called all inhabitants of the country to unite not only the so called ‘Tamil speaking people’. The fact he/she is calling unity only among Tamils and other minorities suggests an ulterior motive and a possible challenge to Sinhalese. It must be pointed out that Sinhalese have lived through these challenges for centuries and are very well accustomed to face such challenges. However, after so much of devastation, Sinhalese genuinely call their Tamil brethren to come out of their exclusivist and falsely superior mindsets and become genuine partners of a common prosperous destiny.

  65. Ancient Nagas are Tamils

    In the proto historic period of the island to (c.1000-100 BC), there were two Naga kingdoms, one in the north called Naga Tivu in Tamil, and called Naga Dipa in the Indian Sanskrit works, and the other in the south west, in Kelaniya.

    According to tradition, THE TAMILS OF INDIA and SRILANKA ARE THE LINEAL DESCENDANTS OF THE NAGA and YAKSHA PEOPLE. The aboriginal Nagas, called Nakar in Tamil had the cobra (Nakam, in Tamil) as their totem. The Hindu Tamils, to this day, continue to worship the cobra as a NAGA THAMBIRAN subordinate deity in the Hindu pantheon and there are many temples for the cobra deity all over north Sri Lanka.

    Equally, the Yakshas were not demons but worshippers of demons, as shown by the still prevalent practice among the Hindu Tamils of propitiating the demons, which arose out of primitive fear and belief in the destructive power of demons.

    Ptolemy describes the Tamil Yaksha people:
    `The ears of both men and women are very large, in which they wear earrings ornamented with precious stones.`

    The wearing of ear rings by both men and women is a custom still extant among the Tamils in the villages of north Sri Lanka and in south India, and the poor, unable to purchase gold ear rings, wear rolled palmyrah leaves instead.

    That the ancestors of the present day Tamils were the original inhabitants of Lanka is well brought out by the historian Harry Williams:

    `Naga Dipa in the north of Sri Lanka was an actual kingdom known to historians` and `the people who occupied it were all part of an immigrant tribe from South India Tamil people called Nakars`.

    Another writer states: `

    . . . long before the coming of the Sinhalese there would have been long periods when the island was inhabited by the ancestors of the present Tamil community`.

    Recent archaeological excavations of burial mounds in the old Naga Dipa area, which covered a region from Chilaw up to Trincomalee through Anuradhapura, have shown skeletal remains of a people of megalithic culture who practised inhumation as a mode of burial in the proto historic period. The artefacts found within, such as rouletted pottery with graffiti symbols, iron nails, bronze seal rings, arrow heads, spears and daggers, show that those people had a settled and civilized life. The Sangam literature (lst- 4th Century AD), reflecting the indigenous cultural tradition of the Tamils of south India, mentions inhumation as a custom then prevalent. These finds have, on paleographical reckoning, been dated to not later than the 4th Century BC 10 and the skeletal remains classified as those of south Indian type.11The north western urn burial site (Pomparippu) is said to offer many parallels with those found on the Coromandel coast of Tamil Nadu, south India.

    Ptolemy refers to Naga kingdoms on the Coromandel coast, and towns with toponyms like NAGAR KOVIL and NAGA PATINAM appearing from the earliest times, confirm that Naga people of the same origin occupied the Tamil areas of south India and Sri Lanka. The latter may have migrated from south India in early times, when Sri Lanka was certainly joined to mainland India through the shallow ridge of sandbanks called Adam`s (or Rama`s) Bridge in the Gulf of Mannar. Furthermore, the important find of a statuette of Lakshmi, the Hindu goddess of good fortune, in the Anaikoddai(JAFFNA) excavation (1982) confirms other evidence that the Naga people were Hindus and that Hinduism was the religion of the people of Sri Lanka before the introduction of Buddhism.

  66. Raj:
    I said in my earlier comment that Oxford educated scholar Rhys Davies and historian Wilhhelm Geiger had said that historians rely on Dipawamsa and Mahawamsa as the primary sources for ancient South Asian chronology. I can only feel sorry for those Tamils that reject opinion of such erudite scholars and align themselves with the writings of partisans like Thambiahs and now Devanandas who make futile effort to twist facts and make up a new history for Tamils of Sri Lanka.

    Referring to my earlier comment, when I said Tripitaka was first written in Sinhala, I mean Pali words in Sinhala. I also said that currently available Tripitakas were extracts from Buddhagosha’s translation from Sinhala to Pali. Is that confusing, Mr.Raj?

    Let me explain. Great Monastery (GM) of Anuradhapura was first founded by Emperor Asoka’s son Mahinda. And, the writers of Mahawamsa and all other Sri Lanka chronicles were GM’s lineal descendents. GM had no rivals. Not until Abhayagiri monastery appeared in the first century whose secession and schism changed the whole situation. By then, Tripitaka wasn’t available in writing only its Sinhala learning and commentaries. I know that you will not agree but let me go on.

    When Sanskrit Buddhism became the fashion and Abhayagiri started to study new developments, GM had nothing new to offer. Feeling a threat from Abhayagiri, GM had decided to put the Tripitaka in to writing during the first century for the first time but away from the Royal capital. It has to be in Sinhala because that was the language they knew.

    In spite of evidence from many Buddhist commentaries, Mr Devnanda says only after seventh century that Sinhala came to existence and, you have concluded that Ven Nanamoli is a gullible for he wrote Buddhaghosa had come to Sri Lanka to translate Tripitaka from Sinhala text to Pali text language Magadha. I am glad that at least you have no dispute that there was a Buddhagosha who had come to Sri Lanka in the fifth century and had written a classic named Visuddhimagga. Perhaps it is imperative to mention here that Buddhagosha’s work has become famous far beyond our shores.

    Anyway, having settled a crucial point, we should now find out why Bhadantacariya Buddhagosha came to Sri Lanka. This is what Ven Nanmoli attempted to convey through his introduction to his English translation of Visuddhimagga:

    In page xxxi, Ven Nanmoli wrote; in the prologue to each of the four Nikaya commentaries it is conveniently summarized by Bhadantacariya Buddhagosha himself as follows: ‘[I shall now take] the commentary, whose object is to clarify the meaning of the subtle and the most excellent Long Collection … and was brought to the Sinhala Island by the Arahath Mahinda the great and rendered into the Sinhala tongue for the benefit of the islanders, ….’

    In page xxx Ven Nanmoli wrote; on coming to Ceylon, he (Buddhagosha) went to Anuradhapura, the royal capital, and set himself to study. He seems to have lived and worked there during the whole of his stay in the island, though we do not know how long that stay lasted. To render his (Buddhagosha) own word: ‘ I learned three Sinhalese commentaries – the Maha Attha- (katha), Maha Paccari, Kurundhi – from the famed elder known by the name of Buddhamitta, who has expert knowledge of Vinnaya. ….’

    Now those are not extracts from Mahawamsa but writing of Bhadantacariya Buddhagosha of the fifth century. So, let us see what Mr. Devananda has to say about ‘Sinhala’ writing of the fifth century.
    Leela

  67. No, Dutu Gemunu was from Bloemendhal Lane and no one around can claim he/she is Sinhala either!
    Jeyaraj, you are the living example of such warriors. Choppe aiya lived down the road and Madavi Some lived on the other side. Lassie boy took to the pen from Kung Fu fighting and died tragically.
    Come on Jeyaraj, stop giving publicity to these hogwash pundits. You know very well that such publications are unwarraented and demean your status as a good journalist.

  68. These articles by Devananda are good for some sinhalese and buddhist monks who think that tamils are just migrants in Sri Lanka, while there is a long history for their existance in the island as true citizens.

    Other than that these articles never serve any purpose in uniting the two groups in misunderstanding except to the level it fuel extremists dwelling on theories.

    Like someone has said the author of this article has used Mahawamsa for his own convenience taking in things he liked and throwing out what he didn’t like. I don’t know how far these articles helped LTTE to base their ideology on a hardcore eelam concept, but it can only help those who asked for eelam by militory means to stand their future confrontations along this way.

  69. Thiru:
    We have no dispute that Tamils and Tamil language existed for thousands of years. Oxford history scholars such as Rhys Davies say; no proof for continual Tamil history is found in Sri Lanka. All evidences for Tamil reigns and proof for Tamil history were found in present day Tamil Nadu area. All scholars agree that the present day Tamil Nadu had been divided into three principal Tamil kingdoms, namely, Chera Nadu, Chola Nadu and Pandya Nadu for over thousand years. And, they were ruled by Chera, Chola and Pandya kings from the time of written Tamil history.

    Even so, one Pandyan King, Parakkirama Pandyan had sought help of Sinhala king, Parakramabahu the Great to hang on to his capital city of Madurai between 1163 and 1179 A.D. General Lanka Putra went to Madurai with a Sinhala army and installed Parakkirama Pandyan back in his throne. Nevertheless Tamil kingdoms got weaker and weaker within the next few years. And after 1311 A.D. even those three kingdoms ceased to exist. Tamils never have succeeded in having a kingdom anywhere, since. These are not made up yarn but true facts.

    Sinhalese history is the Sri Lankan history. Sinhala annals such as Rajawaliya describe the list of Sri Lanka kings including the Tamil invaders much clearer than the list of descendents of Adam to Jesus in the Bible. Tamils are jealous of it. Though Tamils are seventy million, they have no country that can be called Tamil country. That is the crux of the matter for the modern day Tamils.

    You said “But don’t forget Tamil contributed lot in formation of ‘Sinhala’ language.” I do not deny Tamil inputs to Sinhala language but I believe it is no more or no less than Portuguese, Dutch and English.

    Ask any scholar of oriental languages; he will tell you that Sinhalese language is ‘not’ developed from Tamil language. Most words in Sinhala is from Hela, Sanskrit and Pali. The modern script used in writing Sinhala is unique to it. See the shape of Sinhala writing; they are circular to a great extent. There is no resemblance of Tamil letter shapes in Sinhala letters. Having said that, I admit there are many Tamil, Portuguese, Dutch, English words in our language; just like all other languages of today.

    I am not a language scholar. But, I can tell you this much; the Sinhala alphabet consists of 61 symbols: 18 vowel symbols, 41 consonant symbols and 2 semi-consonant symbols; whereas the Tamil alphabet consists of 48 symbols: 14 vowel sounds and 26 consonant sounds.

    Sinhala is a member of the Indo-Aryan family of languages; whereas Tamil is genetically unrelated to the North Indian languages such as Hindi, Bengali, and Gujarati. ‘ba’ and ‘ga’ letters are there in Sinhala alphabet but ‘not’ in Tamil alphabet. That is why ordinary Tamils shy to pronounce ‘baa’ or ‘gaa’ sounds. They sound them as ‘waa’ and ‘ka’.

    Instead of continuing with your baby theory, let me put the same question in a different perspective. If Tamils were living in this Island for thousands of years and adjacent Tamil Nadu were full of Tamils for much longer and both had the same language and culture, how come Tamils couldn’t overwhelm or assimilate Wijaya and his five hundred men?
    Leela

  70. 36. svinson | ,

    Please read properly Devananda’s all three blogs and DeSilvas and then if your not enlightened read the history from primary souces the comment.

  71. #9

    But one also has to recognize that while starting from a common origin, one group somehow created a unique language and an ethnic identity (Sinhalese) while the other group (Tamils) somehow let themselves get assimilated in to a more South Indian identity. Don’t get me wrong, that does not mean that one group has more rights and ownership to the island than the other.
    —————————————————————
    5 th thalai lama kanjan lama is being questioned by Indian inteligent agency about his assets of black money. They doubt that He might use that money to create a ( another Mahavamsa) chinesh favoured Budist ? philosophy in India .
    Both thalai lama and kanjan lama starting from a common origin one group let themselves get assimilated in to China and one group want to remain with their unique identity as independent Eelam. Don’t get me wrong, that does not mean that one group has more rights and ownership to their land than the other group try to sell the island to china

    An Eelam citizen

  72. This writer Devananda is either a Sinhalese (anti-Tamil) or he is paid by the Rajapakshe government to write against our freedom fighters. He is against Tamil vellalar, he is against LTTE, he is against a separate Tamil state (Eelam), he is against federal state for Tamils, he is against a political solution for the Tamils.
    I am sure the present government is paying for his daily bread. 

    He says fall of LTTE is good for Tamils, thousands and thousands of Tamils were murdered in cold blood by the Sinhalese but he did not mention a single word. He is indirectly praising the Rajapakshe government for fall of LTTE. If this guy is a Tamil, then he is a hypocrite, surely a brother of Dougles Devananda.

    The worst thing is, he says there never existed a 3000 years Tamil kingdom in the North. What nonsense, this fellow Devananda is a Sinhala racist disguised as speaking for Tamils, a wolf wearing a sheep skin.

    The Tamil kingdom started with Naga kingdom in Jaffna 3000 years ago (Nagas are Tamils) and it continued until the Portuguese came. The last king was Sangilian.

     Devananda says there is no evidence to prove that a continuous Tamil kingdom existed before the 13th century AD. This is nonsense. This writer might not know that the absence of evidence is merely evidence of absence. In here absence of proof has been taken as positive proof of absence. You cannot prove anything that way. The Jaffna kingdom is 3000 years old. No evidence does not mean it did not exist.

     I fully agree with #7 Yapa, ‘absence of evidence is not evidence of absence’.

  73. Leela and ‘J’ and other Buddhists

    Prof. Herman Oldenberg (1854-1920), the great German scholar of Indology and professor, studied and researched the Buddha and his teachings in Pali. His study on the Buddha, published in 1881, helped popularize Buddhism and still remains continuously in print.

    In Herman Oldenberg`s assessment the stories related to the conversion of Sri Lanka to Buddhism by Mahinda and Sangamitta are PURE INVENTIONS. As referred to by G.C. Mendis in The Mahavamsa or the Great Chronicle of Ceylon (1950 edition, page xvi and xvii) there are doubts as to why Asoka in his 13th century Rock Edicts, in the Rock-Edict XIII in particular, has failed to mention his own son Mahinda and daughter Sangamitta being handed over to the temple, and also their role in converting the Sri Lankan king to Buddhism.

    Asoka, the Mayura emperor, whose imperial name was Devanampriya Priyadarsi, ruled from 273 to 232 BC. His Rock Edicts belong to the 13th year (260 BC) of his rule and the conversion of the Sri Lankan King to Buddhism took place – according to Sri Lankan chronicles – in the 18th year (255 BC) of Asoka`s rule.

    The contradiction is that there is a five year discrepancy between Asoka`s edict entries about the missionaries having already been dispatched to Sri Lanka, and the Mahavamsa records of the actual arrival of the missionaries in Sri Lanka. This is beyond comprehension.

    Although the Mahavamsa says that Asoka handed over his own children to the temple and sent them to Sri Lanka to convert the King of Sri Lanka to Buddhism, Asoka has made no mention of this in his own Edicts.

    The question that begs an answer is: if Mahinda and Sangamitta were really handed over to the temple to become Buddhist missionaries, and if they did really convert the Sri Lankan King Devanampiya Tissa to Buddhism, why would Asoka their father have neglected to record these important events in his own edicts? The NAME SANGAMITTA is, as V.A. Smith thinks, SUSPICIOUS FROM ITS VERY MEANING.

    There are quite a number of discrepancies in the Mahavamsa compared to other historical, archaeological and scientific records. Thus Dr. G.C. Mendis, Lecturer in History, University of Ceylon, in his foreword to the 1950 edition of The Mahavamsa (The Great Chronicle of Ceylon), translated into English by Wilhelm Geiger, assisted by Mable Haynes Bode Ph.D, discusses at length these discrepancies as quoted below. Defrayed by the Ceylon Government Information Department, this edition of the Mahavamsa was published in 1950 (and is available on line at: http://www.sinhalanet.com/Introductionpart1.pdf )

    The Mahavamsa with all its historical importance, enormity and glory, should be only treated as the oldest and longest MYTHICAL chronicle, a historical poem written by great CREATIVE AUTHORS.

    The wild fantasies of `Lion Ancestry` and the myths about the origin of the Sinhala race as pre-destined, true custodians of the island of Sri Lanka and guardians of Buddhism – should be put to rest among the other mythical fairy tales. This needs courage and wisdom from grass root level, as it takes a lot to stand against the nationalistic agenda and the divisive nationalistic culture driven by Sinhala political leadership at the top.

    As long as the mythical stories of Mahavamsa are being elevated to reverence as HISTORICAL PROOF of the ORIGINSof the Sinhala race and their historical mission as CUSTODIANS OF BUDDHISM, there will be no true understanding of our common true history.

    The teaching of our HISTORY SHOULD NOT BE TWISTED AND TURNED INTO ILLUSIVE NATIONALISTIC SUPERIORITY OF ONE ETHNICITY AGAINST THE OTHER. All those who are born in Sri Lanka, who live and breathe on the paradise island of Sri Lanka today, do descend from shared common origins and are entwined together with one common history, common dreams, hopes for a peaceful prosperous future. We all have collective ownership of our common heritage. We all, with no exception!, should have equal birth rights to get inspiration from our common history and common heritage.

  74. The Tamils have more than their share of mythological stories but we don`t dwell on them and do any land claims based on the mythology. The Sinhalese say Sri Lanka belongs to Sinhalese only but how exactly has this historical claim of the Sinhalese been established? Many Sinhalese are either not willing or not capable of distinguishing myths from facts in a critical study.

    The Sinhalese still use the same word `itihasaya` to indicate both epic and history and that could be one of the reasons for their difficulty in distinguishing fact from fiction. We don`t make up stories like God Siva told Lord Vishnu to help Tamils in establishing home land in Sri Lanka.

    I am laughing at the Sinhalese who claims the entire country for Sinhalese based on the mythological stories in Mahavamsa and all other fantasy books of Sinhala Buddhists without any epigraphic evidence.

    The Sinhalese drafted the constitution of the Sri Lankan state based on the Sinhala mythology and the Tamils and other minorities are forced to accept the Sinhala mythology as the facts.

  75. The author has done an in-depth analysis of the psyche of the Sinhala Nation. Based on this alone, we can firm up our approach on how to deal with the Sinhala nation?

    The answer to most of the questions/doubts is very clear; it is the INHERENT SINHALA RACISM and now we see how it manifested (came into existence). That Sinhala racism even transformed the peaceful preaching’s of Buddha into something fearful, a dreaded racist doctrine in Sri Lanka. The message of Buddhism was universal love but the Mahavamsa Buddha appears to be violent, a real conqueror, imposing himself on the others who wants other peoples’ land. The Sinhalese brought down the Buddha to a level which they could understand.

  76. What happened to the in-depth thinking and its richness you all inherited from your culture, to rely on such a shallow thinking. If this is the sort of vision you all are going to take as your guiding light you will never fail to go to the hell.

    If Tamils want to build their theoretical base on such naive arguments, even their 230 million Hindu deities will not be able to save you all from being humiliated. The whole world will laugh at you.

    Thanks!

  77. Good day Ladies and Gentleman..

    I have been a regular visitor on the Transcurrent blog site over the last couple of years, and over this intervening period I have seen its readership grow and cover the many strata of our beautiful society. I must congratulate Mr. D.B.S. Jeyaraj for creating an environment that encourages healthy debate, a forum where the average joe and jane blogs can exchange views, share ideas, and in some cases, in those rare moments that symbolise our kinship, converge on views..

    Now I come on to Mr. J.L. Devanda’s recent collection of articles about the Mahavamsa and Sri Lankan History. Before I start, let me lay down a foundational concept that I think is important when delving into literary criticism of historical material. Genuine literary criticism is a good thing, it offers an opportunity for everyone to question, analyse and reassess ones basic beliefs, however, I believe one should tread such a path with honest intentions with the sole goal being the improvement of our understanding of who we are, and what is our heritage. What one should not do, or resist doing, is stirring the communal pot for the purpose of denigration – demeaning the “other”.

    With a public forum such as this, there is a certain responsibility to be honest in your writing, especially when it comes to history. At the end of the day, the readership on this blog covers a broad range of cultural groups, ages, and varying degrees of general competence with regards to the material presented. One should not present inaccurate information or stick to ideologies without foundation in order to highlight the importance of one “nation” or language; but at the same time one should be bold enough to present any distinguishing characteristics found in them; that suppression of facts should not be done through envy towards other ethnic groups.

    Given these basic precepts, in my opinion, unfortunately, J.L. Devanda has gone to considerable length not to advance or improve our understanding of the Sinhala relgio/linguistic identity, but to denigrate and ridicule its evolutionary path..

    I will deconstruct just a few of his “revelations” in this reply for the purpose of demonstrating that his methodology was not scientific, but communal in nature.

    Lets start with the following:

    (Devanada)……The recent excavations in Rajarata (Anuradhapura) by Dr. Siran Deraniyagala and a team of archaeologists discovered a very large number of inscribed potsherds with Brahmi writings going back to the 4th century BC, very clearly indicating that Anuradhapura was settled by people who have adopted the South Indian Megalithic culture. Nevertheless, the modern archaeologists and historians accept that the ancient people of Sri Lanka belonged to the Dravidian Language family and followed the Dravidian (Megalithic) culture….. (END)

    The fixation with modern Tamil Nationalist Historians, and Mr. Devanda on this occasion, in linking all Megalithic Cultural development in Sri Lanka with neighbouring South India, and with it the inference that this was ALL Proto-Dravidian, demonstrates a parochial view that strives to legitimize certain political beliefs that seek to assert their hegemony over a particular geopolitical region on the island.

    The first glaring error that needs to be pointed out is this acceptance that the Megalithic Culture of South India represented a monolithic community of people that could be identified as being racially or linguistically Dravidian, when emerging archaeological evidence appears to show that South India at the early times consisted of various groups of people that spoke proto-Dravidian and non-Dravidian languages. This is exemplified by Prof. Indrapala assertions on Tamil identity in his contribution to the book “Early Historic Tamil Nadu c 300 BCE – 300 CE’s”:

    (Indrapala)……Indrapala argues for the existence of a Tamil identity that he distinguishes from ethnic, political or religious identity. The Tamil self is constituted in contradistinction with its “other”, the molipeyardesam (“areas where other languages were spoken”). Even though an ethnic group identified as speakers of Tamil is not available, a clearly recognisable Tamil-speaking region, Tamilkuru nallulagam (“the good world where Tamil is spoken”), is referred to in the documents from the early historical period.

    This world, to be sure, was home for different ethnic groups, political units and people with different religious persuasions; but that did not stand in the way of the consolidation of a Tamil identity. Cutting across such differences and going beyond clan and tribal barriers, a larger group for whom the Tamil language had become a marker of identity was emerging in the early historical period – one more reason to treat it as a phase representing an epochal transformation….. (END)

    Attempts to see and infer an ethnic identity to the Megalithic complexes in Sri Lanka as being solely “Ethnically Dravidian” – when no such monolithic “ethnic community” existed in South India itself, takes away the numerous other findings that show that the Megalithic people of Ancient Sri Lanka were very heterogeneous. As Dr. Dianne Hawkey revealed in the work “Out of Asia: Dental Evidence for Affinities and Microevolution of Early Populations from India/ Sri Lanka”:

    (Hawkey)……A study using the ground-breaking technique of dental morphological analysis indicates that ancestors of the present day Sinhalese could have established the islands megalithic culture. It also concludes that the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilisation of Harappa had dental traits resembling Sinhalese much more closely than Tamils or other Dravidian speaking populations.

    To draw her conclusions, Dr. Hawkey had compared the teeth of pre-historic and early Iron Age groups of Sri Lanka with the present communities as well as ancient and modern populations in India, South East Asia, Australia and the Middle East. The findings could demolish the myth that Dravidians established the island’s megalithic culture. Dr. Hawkey shows that the skeletal remains at Pomparippu clearly indicate they possessed dental traits much more similar to Sinhalese than Tamils, Veddas or the more primitive Balangoda Man.

    In fact, dental morphology shows a close affinity between the Sinhalese and the Austro-Asiatic people of Eastern and North Eastern India. This implies they are of common stock….. (END)

    This does not take away the fact that some megalithic groups were indeed Proto-Dravidian speakers. However, to claim that this was the only group, or majority group within the Megalithic framework in Sri Lanka is incorrect and academically dishonest.

    My next point.

    Mr. Devanda makes the following claim with regards to the Early Brahmi inscriptions in Sri Lanka:

    (Devanada)……Ancient Brahmi inscriptions of Lanka had been written in Prakrit language like other contemporary inscriptions of South Asia, excluding ancient Tamil country, but they have so many words which are not found in Prakrit or Sanskrit in other parts of South Asia. Early Brahmi inscriptions of Lanka have all the symbols of south Indian Brahmi. Paranavitane, believing the Mahavamsa version of the story, was very ingenuous in trying to argue that the early Brahmi script of Lanka was following the north Indian version of Brahmi, but a considerable number of them appear to be Tamil terms and they could be easily explained as Tamil terms, drawing comparable material from ancient Tamil Sangam literature as well as ancient Tamil Brahmi inscriptions.

    Iravatham Mahadevan has published ‘Early Tamil Epigraphy’, which has been included in the prestigious Harvard Oriental Series, where he points out the occurrence of all the special sounds of early Tamil Brahmi letters among early Lankan Brahmi inscriptions.….. (END)

    Once again, here is another attempt where Devanda strives to insinuate a solely “Dravidian” solution to an particular historical feature/development, in this case the Brahmi Script, without considering other stronger streams of evidence. This just demonstrates Mr. Devanda’s poor understanding of the evolution of the Southern Brahmi tradition, and the evolution of Sinhala language.

    With regards to the Southern Brahmi Tradition, allow me to quote from a journal authored by R.A.E. Coningham & F.R. Allchin, “Passage to India: Anuradhapura and the Early Use of the Brahmi Script”:

    (Coningham)……The island of Sri Lanka, situated off the tip of southern India, is often perceived as the recipient of material culture diffused from more northerly regions. This article counters this model by suggesting that Sri Lanka may have played a pivotal role in the development of Brahmi, South Asia’s earliest readable script. Sherds inscribed with this script, recently found at Anuradhapura, with dates of the beginning of the fourth century BC, now represent its earliest dated examples anywhere in the subcontinent. By analyzing the sherds’ archaeological and scriptural context it presents a tentative mechanism for Brahmi’s development and spread through South Asia….. (END)

    Further more, the authors add:

    (Coningham)……To sum up the evidence of the early use of Brahmi at Anuradhapura, the inscriptions provide a convincing series starting from their earliest occurrence in the early part of the fourth century BC. The series shows three stages during which familiarity with and use of writing steadily develop.….. (END)

    In parallel, allow me to quote from K.V. Raman with regards to the introduction of Brahmi in to South India:

    (Raman)……As K.V. Raman has pointed out, the location and distribution of these inscriptions is also rather significant. All the earlier ones are concentrated in the Pandya country, whereas the later ones are found in Tontaimantalam, Erode and Tiruchirappalli. This may indicate that the Madurai region was the epicentre of the diffusion of early literacy – a fact corroborated by evidence from literature and early indigenous traditions. It may also be that Sri Lanka which received Prakritic and Brahmi influences through independent sea-routes (from Kalinga or Gurarat) had played a vital role in the spread of the inscriptions throughout the Pandya territory.….. (END)

    Another ancillary piece of evidence to support this comes from the shear volume of inscriptions during this early phase. Whilst the number of inscriptions discovered across the whole of Tamil Nadu in the time period (3rd cent, BC to 5th cent. AD) are roughly around 100, Sri Lanka on the other hand during this period has well over 1300 and counting. This alone tells its own story.

    Having laid the foundation for the most widely accepted methodology behind the development of the Southern Brahmi Tradition by the academic community, let me now address one of Mr. Devanda’s rather contentions claims:

    (Devanada)……but a considerable number of them appear to be Tamil terms and they could be easily explained as Tamil terms, drawing comparable material from ancient Tamil Sangam literature as well as ancient Tamil Brahmi inscriptions. ….. (END)

    Let me once again refer to the Coningham et.al paper:

    (Coningham)…… As mentioned above, the language in which the inscriptions are written is a Prakrit – that is a Middle Indo-Aryan language, rather than a Dravidian language. Indeed, not a single inscription can be read as Tamil, a Dravidian language, a situation very different to the later finds at Arikamedu on the Indian mainland. ….. (END)

    Mr. Devanda’s “theory” with regards to these “Tamil” words is wholly based on his flawed reading, it should be pointed out at this stage that he is not alone. Many other Nationalistic Tamil Historians over the years have attempted to use a similar methodology to argue in favour of a Tamil Substratum influence to explain the presence of these special characters in Sinhala Brahmi.

    It should be highlighted that these special characters are not words, but letters that have been introduced to deal with the peculiarities of Tamil phonetics. Its at this point, where any serious academic who has studied Sinhala in great detail, will deconstruct the Tamil substratum influence on Sinhala phonology.

    I shall now refer to the findings of James W. Gair. I chose Mr. Gair because, not only is he a respected authority in the area of South Asian Linguistics, especially Sinhala, he is an outsider who cannot be accused of harbouring a “Mahavamsa Mindset”, which any Sinhala authority would surely have been accused of irrespective of the impeccability of their academic credentials.

    This is what Mr. Gair had to say about Sinhala phonology, and the alleged Tamil substratum influence:

    (Gair)…… As we noted earlier, the apparent suddenness and completeness of that change does make the assumption of substratum influence plausible, and Dravidian, with its lack of aspirates, is the obvious candidate. On the other hand, when we consider this change together with the others just discussed, the case for that identification becomes less compelling….. Dravidian influence operated more strongly in syntax than in phonology, in which Sinhala retains a more strongly Indo-Aryan character than has sometimes been claimed….. (END)

    And with regards to this change in Sinhala phonology, he also had this to say:

    (Gair)…… The fact that aspiration was lost in Sinhala somewhere before the 3rd century BC is attested to by the inscriptional evidence.….. (END)

    Further, with regards to the introduction of the Prakritic language that would eventually become Sinhala, he had this to say:

    (Gair)…… It has long been disputed whether Sinhala originated as a western or eastern Indo-Aryan language. One reason for the uncertainty is clearly that the language left India before most of the major changes took place that ultimately distinguished the subgroups of Indo-Aryan languages. This, too, makes a date somewhere around 6th century BC seem reasonable…… What we can be sure of its that the language was well established on the island by the 3rd century BC. ….. (END)

    Taking the evidence in totality, beginning with the early introduction of the Brahmi script and its continuous evolution there after on the Island, the most likely explanation for the existence of these special characters in Sinhala Brahmi appear to be down to a common solution to a common problem with regards to the loss of aspiration in Tamil and Sinhala, a common phonological problem for both, rather than Sinhala Brahmi borrowing it from Tamil Brahmi in light of the overwhelming archaeological evidence that shows the preponderance of the former compared to the latter in the early period.

    Now lets proceed to another rather poorly researched point.

    Mr. Devanda makes the following rather extraordinary claim with regards to the reasons behind the numeric majority status of the Sinhala linguistic group:

    (Devanada)……Other than for Cinnamon, coffee and coconut plantation in the South, the Dutch also used them for domestic purpose. Let me quote from the report of the Dutch writer Markus Vink:

    “In 1661, 10,000 slaves had been put to work by the company and by private individuals on the lands in South-western Ceylon, including 2,000 company slaves. In 1694, the city of Colombo alone had a slave population of 1,761”.

    The Sinhalese population increased exponentially and became a majority in Sri Lanka only after these people brought by the Portuguese and the Dutch assimilated with the local Sinhalese population.….. (END)

    This is a very serious revelation if it could have been supported by further evidence. Instead, Mr. Devanda takes a point – without revealing further details in the same source that might put this statistic in perspective – projects a fanciful linear extrapolation to support a rather derogatory point, given the context within which its used.

    Now lets look at what else is revealed in the Markus Vink article.

    Mr. Devanda conveniently forgets to mention a very important passage in this same article that will shed some light with regards to this debate:

    (Vink)……Famine, wars, epidemics, and natural disasters could wreak havoc among local slave populations, already tending to melt away due to high mortality rates, low levels of self-reproduction or creolization, manumission, and widespread desertion.….. (END)

    The most damming piece of evidence is the following statement by Mr. Vink:

    (Vink)……Southwestern Ceylon was plagued by intermittent warfare and hostilities with the interior kingdom of Kandy (1670 – 75) and recurrent droughts or floods (1659, 1661, 1664, 1669, and 1673), spreading famine and disease across the island. In 1661, for instance, 900 slaves died, including 400 “old and nearly worn out people”. In 1669, large numbers of people were dying in the lands of Colombo. The 100 Dutchmen and 800 slaves reportedly being treated in the local company hospitals were hardly better off, since these facilities were often virtual death traps.…..(END)

    This hostile environment for the Slaves was typified by data available in the same report which showed that from roughly 10,000 Slaves in the South Western region in 1661, by 1688, the total Slave population Islandwide, which would include the numbers from the South West, had dropped to 4000. This is even after importing roughly 200 to 400 slaves every year in between the two years mentioned. This trend would have continued in the years after 1688 given the fact that after 1680, Dutch imports of Slave Labour into Ceylon dramatically dropped. I think this alone tells its own story?

    The fact that Mr. Devanda honestly believed that “ALL” the 10,000 slaves miraculously survived their journey and subsequent enslavement to reproduce and multiply to “exponentially” increase the Sinhala population – even given the evidence available in the same source that would seriously question such an extrapolation – not only demonstrates poor research, but a sinister motive to devalue the antiquity of the Sinhala identity formation.

    Moving on, Mr. Devanda conveniently claims he has no evidence to cite to give an indication of the number of Slaves in the Jaffana Peninsula. Well it just so happens that I do. In the interests of scholarly completeness, allow me to furnish a few figures.

    Two English gentleman Mr. Robert Montgomery Martin and Mr. Charles Pridham released two books in the years 1836 and 1848 respectively. They were titled “Statistics of the Colonies of the British Empire” and “An Historical, Political & Statistical Account of Ceylon” respectively.

    Both reports reveal some rather interesting numbers. In 1832, from an islandwide Slave population of 27,487 individuals, 24,605 were found in Jaffna peninsula, that’s 89.5%. In 1846, from an islandwide Slave population of 27,397 individuals, 24,545 were found in the Jaffna peninsula, again around 89.5%. It is quite clear, from the literature in both books that a vast majority of these Slaves were bought in during the Dutch period.

    Mr. Charles Pridham also had this to say:

    (Pridham)……A regular slave traffic doubtless, moreover, existed between Malabars on the Northern division of the Island and the same people on the continent – a circumstance which helps to account for the concentration of the slave population, to so remarkable an extent, in the northern province ….. (END)

    In light of this, I would suggest that before people start making academically untenable statements like “increased exponentially”, with regards to a particular community, one should look in ones own cupboard first. Just a word of advice.

    Lets now proceed to my final point.

    I would like to touch upon occasions where Mr. Devanda criticises other writers for using outdated theories to advance positions on ethnic identity, whilst at the same time exposing his own ignorance, or rather hypocrisy, in indulging in the same.

    Mr. Devanada berates “Sinhala Pseudo-historians” and “bogus scholars” (charlatans) for using material in Prof. Indrapala’s 1965 PhD thesis when describing the nature of “Tamil-speaking” settlements in Ancient Lanka:

    (Devanada)……For example, for the last 40 years, the Sinhalese Pseudo-historians and bogus scholars (charlatans) had been using the Tamil PhD student Mr. Karthigesu Indrapala’s 1965 PhD thesis which was not in favour of the Tamils as a guide in all their arguments/writings….. It is absolutely natural that people change their opinions upon new findings (not ethnic pressure) but the bogus scholars (charlatans) want to still continue to quote the obsolete theories what Indrapala himself has abandoned.….. (END)

    He however has no qualms about referring to Prof. Leslie Gunawardane’s now outdated conclusions with regards to the formation of the Sinhala identity:

    (Devanada)……With the archaeological findings till today, the historians believe that the permanent Tamil settlement in the North & East and the permanent Sinhalese settlement in South, West and Central started taking place only after the 10th century AD. According to the research done by the historian Prof. Leslie Gunawardane, the Sinhala speaking people were considered as a nation only after the westerners came to this part of the world….. (END)

    I will let Prof. Michael Roberts better underpin this point in his piece on the Post-Orientalist failures in Comprehending the Kandyan Period of Lankan History:

    (Roberts) …Such assessments only serve to highlight the glaring deficiencies of empirical knowledge among the trumpet-blowers and an inability to discern the serious flaws in the middle segment of Gunawardana’s essay. In more qualified ways this also applies to the reworking attempted by such a knowledgeable commentator as Tambiah.….. (END)

    (Roberts) …Dharmadasa in the meanwhile identified a critical text from the 10th century that Gunawardana had not consulted and mounted a defence of the more conventional interpretations of the meaning attached to the word “Sihala”, or its synonyms, during the ancient period. Confronted with Dharmadasa’s critical review, Gunawardana has indulged in fancy footwork (1995) that cannot conceal the fact that he has to concede ground….. (END)

    I will sum up with a passage taken from another one of Prof. Roberts articles:

    (Roberts) …Moreover, the early inscriptions of the third to first century BCE “show that there was little variation in language and script in various parts of the island”, leading to the “conjecture that the various streams of migrants had begun to acquire the rudiments of a common culture”. Older scholarship, including the works of Geiger, deemed the language of these inscriptions to be “Proto‐Sinhala” or “Sinhala‐Prakrit”.

    Be that as it may, it is probable that the language of the last centuries BCE evolved into what became identified as Sinhala or Elu by the 4th/5th centuries CE, if not earlier. This remark is based on (a) the Indian visitor Buddhagosha’s statement in the fifth century CE and (b) the evidence of palm‐leaf manuscripts and inscriptions during the latter half of the first millennium CE.….. (END)

    This point of view appears to be rather divergent to Mr. Devanda’s stance which is typified by statements like “before 9th century AD, the term Hela/Sinhala was not found in anywhere” and “thoroughbred spoken/written Elu/Helu/Sihala language before the 9th century AD are pure assumptions and cannot be proved”. Ironically, the methods and timeframes of Sinhala identity evolution on the Island appear to mirror the formation of a similar “expansive” Tamil Identity in Mainland India as alluded by Prof. Indrapala.

    This is just a sample of the many more points I could potentially deconstruct from Mr. Devanda’s “history” piece. I raised these 4 points not in the interests of bracketing Mr. Devanda as being an “Eelamist” or any other name for that matter, but to demonstrate the position that I seriously question his motives and research methodologies.

    In conclusion, I will let the general public decide if Mr. Devanada’s attempts at literary criticism of the Mahavamsa, were the result of serious scholarship with the intention of helping others improve their understanding of the evolutionary history of the Sinhala identity, or rather a communal minded effort to stir a pot that is in dire need of cooling!!..

    Thanks

  78. Tomorrow the Sinhalese are going to celebrate the Independence from the British. Tell me which Sinhalaya fought for Sri Lanka’s freedom from the British in 1940s?

    As this author has put it in very clear language, Gandhi and Neru fought for independence and made the British to leave the entire South Asian region.

    The Sinhalese such as DS Senanayaka, SWRD Bandaranayaka, John Kothalawela, JR Jayawardena and many others were not only collaborating with their white British masters but they were also bending into different postures and licking their feet. Due to that they also earned the name ‘KALU SUDDHAS’ from their own fellow Sinhalese like Anagarika Dhammapala.

    Unlike Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and Mohd Ali Ginna who suffered for their Independence, the British gave our SINHALA KALU SUDDHAS Independence on a platter (without shedding a single drop of tears, sweat or blood) and made them leaders to rule the entire country including the Traditional Tamil Lands.

    In fact, the Sinhalese should worship the Indian leaders and also thank the British for unifying the separate Tamil federal Kingdom with the Sinhala state in 1833 and giving it entirely to the Sinhalese in 1948.

    Like the Tamil Pandara Vanniyan, a very few Sinhalese like Keppetipola in 1818, Puran Appu in 1848, Mayadunne, etc. rebelled against the British due to some minor petty disputes but none of the Sinhalese agitated for Sri Lanka’s independence from their white British masters other than licking their feet to get the whole country including Tamil land on a platter.

  79. 73. Leela | February 3rd, 2011 at 1:44 am,

    Who brain washed you with the above garbage??? why not instead of stating these garbage provide some evidence to what you say. Leela either you have not read JLD’s blogs or could not understand it that is why you are writing garbage.

  80. 46. Hela  |  February 2nd, 2011 at 3:26 am “A Tamil inscription found in a Hindu temple in South India during the Rajaraja Chola 1 (10th/11th AD) also has a very similar statement like what was found in the Mahabaratha with a slight variation, referring to Lanka it say, ‘the land of the warlike Singalas’. ”

      Hela  Which Hindu Temple,??(there are and were thousands if not  millions of them) which Mahabartha Variant ??? Could you be more specific  so we can verify the authenticity of your statement.     

  81. Leelan: If you cannot answer my logical question in 73 read 82 Nightfox, 68 & 46 Hela, 2&13 J and make yourself learned.

    Question: If Tamils were living in this Island for thousands of years and adjacent Tamil Nadu were full of Tamils for much longer and both had the same language and culture, how come Tamils couldn’t overwhelm or assimilate Wijaya and his five hundred men to become the majority in Sri Lanka?
    Leela

  82. 63 Palan: Thank you for your response. Pity you didn’t opined there on my reference to Buddhagosha’s writing that disproved Devananda’s assertion that there was no Sinhala before 7th century.

    Needless for me to strive further for 82 Nightfox had answered almost all queries from your side far better than I would have done. So please read it at least where relevant. In the meantime, perhaps you would ponder over my question rendered in 73 and answer back.
    Leela

  83. 86. Leela

    Question: If Tamils were living in this Island for thousands of years and adjacent Tamil Nadu were full of Tamils for much longer and both had the same language and culture, how come Tamils couldn’t overwhelm or assimilate Wijaya and his five hundred men to become the majority in Sri Lanka?

    ———————————–

    Firstly the Vijaya and his 700 men are imaginary only said in your Mahavamsa and not supported by any other evidences.

    Even historians do not believe in the historicity of the Mahinda Thero and the Sangamitta Theri.

  84. 82. Nightfox///thank you very much for your piece. As I said before Davananda twists the story to suit his mind set. Nothing very unusual at all for many Tamils. Thank you again.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    “Davananda twists the story to suit his mind set.Nothing very unusual at all for many Tamils”.

    What a racist observation!

  85. #82 Nightfox and other gullible who believe his crap

    When I started reading his long introduction, I thought he is coming up with some very important scholastic arguments. Just to make a very simple point he was beating around the bush just to show some gullible that he is a great scholar.
    When I read his first point itself I understood that he is trying to mislead the readers with his randomly picked up readings. I stopped reading after his first point because definitely all others are also surely of the same import. Why should anybody waste time reading such misleading rubbish.

    Since I wasted my time in reading his first point, let me reply to it.

    The most hilarious thing about this JOKER (Nightfox) is that he comes out with unauthoritative half baked quotations from some researchers to prove his point while questioning others about the authority. He cannot understand that if it is good for the goose, then it should also be good for the gander.

    ******(START QUOTE)
    Attempts to see and infer an ethnic identity to the Megalithic complexes in Sri Lanka as being solely “Ethnically Dravidian” – when no such monolithic “ethnic community” existed in South India itself, takes away the numerous other findings that show that the Megalithic people of Ancient Sri Lanka were very heterogeneous. As Dr. Dianne Hawkey revealed in the work “Out of Asia: Dental Evidence for Affinities and Microevolution of Early Populations from India/ Sri Lanka”:
    (Hawkey)……A study using the ground-breaking technique of dental morphological analysis indicates that ancestors of the present day Sinhalese could have established the islands megalithic culture. It also concludes that the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilisation of Harappa had dental traits resembling Sinhalese much more closely than Tamils or other Dravidian speaking populations.
    To draw her conclusions, Dr. Hawkey had compared the teeth of pre-historic and early Iron Age groups of Sri Lanka with the present communities as well as ancient and modern populations in India, South East Asia, Australia and the Middle East. The findings could demolish the myth that Dravidians established the island’s megalithic culture. Dr. Hawkey shows that the skeletal remains at Pomparippu clearly indicate they possessed dental traits much more similar to Sinhalese than Tamils, Veddas or the more primitive Balangoda Man.
    In fact, dental morphology shows a close affinity between the Sinhalese and the Austro-Asiatic people of Eastern and North Eastern India. This implies they are of common stock….. (END QUOTE)*******

    Dane Hawkey’s unpublished PhD dissertation cannot be considered as an authoritative document on the megaliths in Sri Lanka. Dane Hawkey herself mentions that her findings at Megalithic Burial site at Pomparippu are tentative and that her sample of dental morphology was too small to be established as conclusive.

    The thrust of her research was far broader than establishing the Sinhalese links to the Megaliths. She attempted instead to link dental records of Melanesia, the Australian Aborigine, the Nubians and the Egyptians in one broader theory and if her findings are accepted would undermine the ideological contentions of many ethno-centric nationalisms including the Sinhalese.

    It is a joke to admit the Dane Hawkey’s unpublished PhD dissertation as conclusive evidence when she herself says it cannot be considered as conclusive evidence.

    For those who are not aware, please note that a large part of the Vedda community assimilated into the Sinhala ethnic group by inter-marriages only during the recent past (not ancient period) and this amalgamation may be the main reason that CERTAIN SINHALESE GROUPS have similar genetic traits.

    As per Dr. Siran Upendra Deraniyagala,
    (QUOTE) future research will probably reveal a whole range of genetic clusters in the prehistoric populations of this region, which would invalidate the concept of Balangoda Man as a homogeneous ‘race’ (cf. id. 1990: 17,20). (END QUOTE).

    Nightfox is trying to mislead some innocent readers who do not have any knowledge of any of these. I am sure all his lengthy points decorated with colourful language are the same import to mislead others, please do not waste your time in trying to investigate these randomly picked up rubbish.

  86. #68 Hela,

    *****Sinhalese are the decendants of early tribes who lived in this country for thousands of years (i.e. they did not fall from the sky or mass migrated from anywhere in the world). This is accepted by Devnanda him/her self.******

    The problem with most of the Sinhalese is they are unable to put things in the right context. They put everything what happened in the ancient time in today’s context. Today there are two groups known as Sinhalese and Tamils but in ancient time there were many tribes and Tamils were one of them where as there was no such tribe known as Sinhalese/Hela (NO EVIDENCE what so ever).

    What the historians are saying is those who call them Sinhalese and Tamils today have descended from those tribes (Naga, Demada, and many others). There may be many ancient Demedas in today’s Sinhalese and many Nagas in today’s Tamils. Why only separate the Sinhalese (is it because there is something called Tamil Nadu?), both Sinhalese and Tamils in Sri Lanka descend from those same people and most of those people were common to both South India and Sri Lanka.

    *****Secondly Sinhala Buddhists are/were the dominant community through out the recorded history of the country. No other community dominated this land as the Sinhalese did and presently do.******

    From where did this Sinhala-Buddhist come and when did it come? Where is the evidence for Sinhala-Buddhist anywhere, chronicles? Epigraphy? Give some evidence, the Sinhala-Buddhist identity originated after Anagarika Dhammapala in the early 20th century.
    Of course, Theravada Buddhists were the Dominant community.

    *****However, Tamils have never been the dominant community of this country.******

    The clear Sinhala and Tamil identities came only after the 12th century, the Sinhalese were dominant in the South and the Tamils were dominant in the North from then till now.
    Do not get confused by the ancient prakrit names, they are not Sinhalese names, only today they are Sinhalese names. Even the ancient Tamils has similar names, Cholas, Pandyans and Cheras also had the same names such as Parakarama, Kulasekara, kulasinghe, Kulathunga, Rajasinghe, etc.

    *****No amount of Mahawansa bashing can erase the above history.*****

    I do not think anybody is bashing the Mahavamsa for this reason, the Mahavamsa is being bashed for introducing some racial comments such as equating the killing of thousands of Tamils to a mere one and a half human.

    ******Devananda should have called all inhabitants of the country to unite not only the so called ‘Tamil speaking people’. The fact he/she is calling unity only among Tamils and other minorities suggests an ulterior motive and a possible challenge to Sinhalese.******

    What Devananda is saying is, if the Tamils speaking people do not unite, they do not deserve any political solution because they will continue to discriminate each other, Jaffna Tamils against Batticalao Tamils, and NorthEast Tamils against Upcountry Tamils and all Tamils against Tamil speaking Muslims, etc.
    Of course, it will be an advantage for the Sinhala-Buddhist Ultra Nationalists to establish a Sinhala-Buddhist Hegemonic state and suppress the Tamil speaking minorities, which they started immediately after the independence.

    *****It must be pointed out that Sinhalese have lived through these challenges for centuries and are very well accustomed to face such challenges.*****

    These are all falsely propagated by the ultra-nationalists and politicians and some racist monks, if we see the Kandyan kingdom, such challenges never took place. Only after the independence, these things happened.

    ******However, after so much of devastation, Sinhalese genuinely call their Tamil brethren to come out of their exclusivist and falsely superior mindsets and become genuine partners of a common prosperous destiny.******

    Where? It is only in words but they never show it in action. Only trying to fool the world, Within Sri Lanka, Tamils have become a marketing commodity for the Sinhala politicians to win elections and to stay in power. Whoever say or do things against the Tamils can win elections and stay in power.

  87. 73. Leela-Sorry just got time to look your posting.

    Now you have asked “very inteligent question “(rather your
    new born ‘baby theory’ about evolution)

    Answer is simple – Who want to fight with asylum seekers?

    Wijaya and his friends came as asylum seekers by deported from their own country. He even married local Yaksha leader Kuveni to show that he will adopt to this country.

    Then what happened , he (Taticaly around 2500 years ago?) thrown Kuveni and childrens into jungle and brought Panndi Naddu girls to marry himself and his friends.(Your half DNA Tamil- you can not kick off your mother!)

    That’s why Tamils or Nagas (in the North) didn’t bother about Wijaya and his friends spreading in to the south that manipulating the island ratio later. (In Negambo and Silapam many Sinhalese are originally Tamils! – recent history)

    If they knew Wijayas Tactics or his future generation going to evolve as “Sin”halese to manipulate the history as well they could simply eliminate him and his 500 or 700 men’s to become the majority in Sri Lanka. Sinhala race didn’t exsist.

    They didn’t do that. Again who want to fight with asylum seekers? They didn’t object or assimilate Wijayas and let to settle in this land.

    When Elara Tamil king ruled ‘sinhala’ even not evolved.
    Still you can not say ‘Sinhalese history is the Sri Lankan history’.Our Dutagemnu and Parakiramapaku unite the srilanka from Tamil invaders.

    Then we also can say ‘Tamil history is Elankai history our Grate Elara , Raja Raja and Rajenthira Chola unite the Elanka from illegal sinhala occupiers . (The Sinhala king Mahinda V was taken prisoner and transported to the Chola country)

    Which is better? Or remove your racial, misguided comments from school syllabus on the name of history.
    That will save SriLanka from atleast poisoning the future generation.

    I have mentioned earlier – in the king era it is common different rulers (Chera,Chola,Pandia ,Eela,Sinhala) rise and fall. There was no permanent kingdom forever. There were many kings and many states in India, only British who united as one country for their purpose. Same story in SriLanka. Tamils in the north – Sinhalese in the south. Some times overlap and cross ruling also happened. Citizens can live or travel anywhere (Some very very intelligent asking in this blog if there were a separate country ‘why buddha came through Trincomalee & jaffa…. not Hampanthota port or Kattunayaka?)

    Don’t take ‘Mahavamsa’ religous chronic
    as single reference for Lanka history. Use your brain ,search and research new sources and archeological evidence. Why are you going to oxford? Didn’t you read your local scholar S. U. Deraniyagala says what i was posted about prehistoric SriLanka?

    Tamils didn’t record like ‘Mahavamsa’ does not mean there were no proof for continual Tamil history is found in Sri Lanka. This only proving certin scholar’s limited research knowledge in that time.

    In Tamil they say ‘Summa Madu Sonna kekathu , Mani Kaddina Madu Sonnathan Kekum’

    Mean ‘We don’t listen if normal cow says something, But we do listen if cow who wear the bell says something’

    As an ‘Elankai Tamil’ this is my independence day present for you all active listeners. Many Thanks.

  88. Dear #88 Mahesh

    Even historians do not believe in the historicity of the Mahinda Thero and the Sangamitta Theri.

    Which historians? And what do they say about the ancient inscriptions which mention Mahinda and Sanghamitta together with their Mahavamsa contemporaries?

  89. SivaKumar #69,

    Ancient Nagas are Tamils

    Then why does Manimekalai describe the Nagas as a separate people having a separate language?

  90. According to this writer, Sinhala people arrived on earth 9 AD.

    King Dutugamunu and beyond, all and sundry were Dmamelas.

    So what happened to them , their culture and the language?

    Did the Sinhalese developed Sinhala language starting from 9 AD?

    If so Sinhalese must have been a pretty clever mob???

  91. 88 Mahesh:
    Arrival of Wijaya and his 500 or 700 men in Sri Lanka stands as the root for all writings in our chronicles. If that is a myth as Devanandas and other obvious separatists like you say, entire historicity of South Asia would be in doubt because; grater learned and accepted scholars such as Wilhelm Geiger had pointed out that Dipawamsa and Mahawamsa had been the primary sources for ancient South Asian chronology. Accordingly, if we go on the basis of visualizations of you lot not just the writings of history scholars but Wikipedia has to rewrite their entire writing. You are barking against a very high wall!

    If we go by imaginations of you lot, Mahinda thero and the Sangamitta theri were not historical. If that is so, the Sri Maha Bodhi is not a tree grown-up from sapling of the bo-tree that Buddha leaned and meditated for six long years; Maha Vihara were a pure make-up of Sinhalas that sprouted after seventh century; if that is so, Tripitaka that was written by Maha Vihara traditions were a writing a crazy monk; if that is so, Dhamma that Therawada Buddhists follow today is a sham; if that is so, Bhadantacariya Buddhagosha couldn’t have studied at Maha Vihara in the fifth century; if that is so, Buddhagosha’s classical writing would have been a mere legend.

    The problem for you all is; not only have they all existed or exist but tallies well with each other. So you lot strive to use our Chronicles whenever it suit to attack it but reject it otherwise. The more you attack our chronicles the more our young study and discuss it. If you have been following ‘Doramadalawa’ of the ITN, you will no doubt realize the pattern.

    Like you all, my Pusari friends at Munneswaran kovol say; it has been there for over five thousand years. Like you they also say; Rawana is a Tamil. But, I bear nothing against them for their opinion. Though I do not worship Gods, I visit it more than once every year and contribute for its upkeep because some in my family worship its deities. I noticed very many a worshippers there were Sinhalese. None of them could have been racists. I have nothing against you if you come and live in my village hamlet. Can we say the same thing about Devanandas and other separatists like you?
    Leela

  92. 82. Nightfox

    Did this Dr(Ms) Diane Hawkey tested the Jaw bones & dental records of the Balangoda man too?

    A study of the Balangoda man’s jaw bones by new techniques of dental morphological analysis conducted by Dr. Diane Hawkey of Arizona State University, U.S.A., which is more accurate than DNA analysis, shows the close affinity between the Balangoda man and the Austro- Asiatic people of Eastern and North Eastern India implying that they are of a common stock. This work also conclusively proves that the Balangoda man was the first Homo sapiens sapiens who became the lord of this planet, giving credibility to the legend that Sri Lanka was the Garden of Eden, the Paradise of Genesis.

    source: http://www.medalta.8m.net/index.html

    Another interesting finding by Dr. Hawkey is that Balangoda Man shows stronger dental similarities to the Melanesians in the Pacific region than to the Australian Aborigines.

    source: http://sinhale.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/unearthing-the-roots-of-an-island-nation/

    The skeletal remains of dogs from Nilgala cave and from Bellanbandi Palassa, dating from the Mesolithic era, about 4500 BCE, suggest that Balangoda Man may have kept domestic dogs for driving game. It was suggested that Sri Lankan dogs, such as Sinhala Hound and Kadar Dog, have a common prehistoric ancestor. It is also possible that Balangoda Man have domesticated jungle fowl, pig, water buffalo and some form of bos (possibly the ancestor of the Sri Lankan neat cattle which became extinct in the 1940s).

    source: wikipedia

    Garden of Eden, Paradise of Genesis, Adam..
    wait even the Chinese had come and stolen acupuncture from our precious Island according to Prof.Dr.(Sir)Anton Jayasuria
    The popular and accepted view that acupuncture originated in China is now up for serious review. It is a cogent and viable theory of my late friend and colleague Professor Doctor Sir Anton Jayasuriya that Sri Lanka may well have been there first; in fact centuries before the Chinese usurpers.

    source:http://www.alternative-doctor.com/specials/SLacupuncture.html

  93. #70 Leela,

    *****I said in my earlier comment that Oxford educated scholar Rhys Davies and historian Wilhhelm Geiger had said that historians rely on Dipawamsa and Mahawamsa as the primary sources for ancient South Asian chronology. I can only feel sorry for those Tamils that reject opinion of such erudite scholars and align themselves with the writings of partisans like Thambiahs and now Devanandas who make futile effort to twist facts and make up a new history for Tamils of Sri Lanka.*****

    What makes you think that these Euoropian so called “scholars” are experts in South Asian chronology? Is it because of their white skin?
    Please read the Chapter 2 of Devananda’s article very carefully, he has exposed the credibility and intention of these so called orientalist “scholars”.
    I feel sorry for people like you who are rejecting the local scholars and praising those white skinned ones who have created more myths and twisted the Sri Lankan history to stir more trouble in the region.

    ******Referring to my earlier comment, when I said Tripitaka was first written in Sinhala, I mean Pali words in Sinhala. I also said that currently available Tripitakas were extracts from Buddhagosha’s translation from Sinhala to Pali. Is that confusing, Mr.Raj?*****

    All these days we believed that the Mahavamsa was written by Mahanama by adopting the Sinhala-attha Katha and that Mahanama had mentioned it in the Mahavamsa preface or somewhere in the reference column but only now we know that it is mentioned in something called ‘Tika’ which was written very recently after the Sinhala race came into existance.

    Could you please tell us where exactly Buddhagosha said that he translated it from Sinhala to Pali. It is definetely NOT mentioned in any epigraphy, Chronicles or Pali cannon (Tripitaka). Where exactly is it mentioned that Buddhagosha said he translated from Sinhala to Pali? I am sure it must be in one of the recent writings very similar to the Tika. If it is mentioned in any ancient writings, please tell us where exactly so that we can verify its authority.

    *****Let me explain. Great Monastery (GM) of Anuradhapura was first founded by Emperor Asoka’s son Mahinda. And, the writers of Mahawamsa and all other Sri Lanka chronicles were GM’s lineal descendents. GM had no rivals. Not until Abhayagiri monastery appeared in the first century whose secession and schism changed the whole situation. By then, Tripitaka wasn’t available in writing only its Sinhala learning and commentaries.******

    Please refer to #77 Sivakumar’s comment, he is using the same people whom you were praising to disprove what you have said here.

    ******I know that you will not agree but let me go on. When Sanskrit Buddhism became the fashion and Abhayagiri started to study new developments, GM had nothing new to offer. Feeling a threat from Abhayagiri, GM had decided to put the Tripitaka in to writing during the first century for the first time but away from the Royal capital. It has to be in Sinhala because that was the language they knew.*******

    By fabigrating new theories which are never found or heard before, you are only making us laugh. These are good for those olden day Appuhamies with a Kondai (knotted hair on their head).

    *****In spite of evidence from many Buddhist commentaries, Mr Devnanda says only after seventh century that Sinhala came to existence and, you have concluded that Ven Nanamoli is a gullible for he wrote Buddhaghosa had come to Sri Lanka to translate Tripitaka from Sinhala text to Pali text language Magadha. I am glad that at least you have no dispute that there was a Buddhagosha who had come to Sri Lanka in the fifth century and had written a classic named Visuddhimagga. Perhaps it is imperative to mention here that Buddhagosha’s work has become famous far beyond our shores.******

    Buddhagosha was a Tamil Buddhist monk who came from Kanchipuram in Tamil country to Anuradapura and his work was the Visuddimagga. He came along with two other Tamil monks whose name are mentioned in the above article. Where are all those Sinhala writings that Buddhagosha used for his translation? They all disappeared mysteriously after the translation. Who is Ven. Nanamoli and in which period did he live and from where did he get the information that Buddhagosha translated from Sinhala to Pali? He must be someone very similar to the Tika author who only imagined/dreamed of such things.
    The Sinhala identity came only in the 12th century and not 7th century. Hela identity came only in the 8th century. Do you want us to believe all your cooked up stories as truth?

    ******In page xxxi, Ven Nanmoli wrote; in the prologue to each of the four Nikaya commentaries it is conveniently summarized by Bhadantacariya Buddhagosha himself as follows: ‘[I shall now take] the commentary, whose object is to clarify the meaning of the subtle and the most excellent Long Collection … and was brought to the Sinhala Island by the Arahath Mahinda the great and rendered into the Sinhala tongue for the benefit of the islanders, ….’******

    Ven. Nanmoli is not second to you in cooking up His-Stories, none of these have any evidence from any of the ancient (5th CAD) work.

    *******In page xxx Ven Nanmoli wrote; on coming to Ceylon, he (Buddhagosha) went to Anuradhapura, the royal capital, and set himself to study. He seems to have lived and worked there during the whole of his stay in the island, though we do not know how long that stay lasted. To render his (Buddhagosha) own word: ‘ I learned three Sinhalese commentaries – the Maha Attha- (katha), Maha Paccari, Kurundhi – from the famed elder known by the name of Buddhamitta, who has expert knowledge of Vinnaya. ….’*******

    Buddhagosha came to Anuradapura, he was with the Mahavihara monks, he translated to Pali from what was in Sanskrit/Prakrit and NOT Sinhala. There was NO such language called Sinhala at that time.

    *******Now those are not extracts from Mahawamsa but writing of Bhadantacariya Buddhagosha of the fifth century. So, let us see what Mr. Devananda has to say about ‘Sinhala’ writing of the fifth century.*******

    Please tell me, from the original Tripitaka in Pali, where Buddhagosha said in his original words about “Sinhala” writings?

    Until the 12th CAD, in Sri Lanka, the term ‘Sinhala’ was found only once in the Dipavansa and twice in the Mahavamsa for the creation of the Lion myth. If you can find the term “Sinhala” anywhere in Sri Lanka before that, please tell us where?

  94. ##90. James

    Well, well… It appears I’ve burst a few bubbles with my response.

    Now lets look at your response shall we..

    First: “JOKER”.. Really?.. Now was that appellation really necessary or warranted? I thought we were keeping this discussion civil James!

    Anyways, moving on.

    (JAMES)…..The thrust of her research was far broader than establishing the Sinhalese links to the Megaliths. She attempted instead to link dental records of Melanesia, the Australian Aborigine, the Nubians and the Egyptians in one broader theory and if her findings are accepted would undermine the ideological contentions of many ethno-centric nationalisms including the Sinhalese….(END)

    I see that you saw it fit to regurgitate, word for word, this tired looking critique of Dr. Diane Hawkey’s research, used my many fellow travellers like Jezebel Chelliah & CholaPandyan to name a few pseudonyms.. at least use a little ingenuity and change the order of the wording!!..

    Indeed Dr. Hawkey did acknowledge that her sample size was limited, and hence the caveat that her conclusions with regards to the megalithic finds at Pomparippu were by no means academically “iron clad” pending further material finds, never the less, what she can say with academic certainty, is that Ancient Sri Lanka was known to many maritime megalithic communities throughout Asia during this early phase, and that not only did they know of its location, they visited this island too. My use of Dr. Hawkeys findings was to demonstrate the fallacy in seeing ALL Sri Lankan Megalithic culture through a parochial South Indian periscope – my intention was not to assign ethnic tags on the remains of the people found, the purpose was to highlight the heterogeneity in Sri Lankan Megalithic culture. No doubt, as I mentioned in my first response, there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate the exchange of material culture between South India and SL in the early historic phase, but to see this in modern ethnic terms and exclusive at that, is very parochial and a position NOT many internationally renowned archaeologists would go out on a limb to support.

    I must say that I found this next passage rather amusing:

    (JAMES)…..Dane Hawkey’s unpublished PhD dissertation cannot be considered as an authoritative document….(END)

    I’m sure it will come as somewhat of a rude shock to all the academics and archaeologists around the world that have cited her doctoral thesis (Out of Asia: dental evidence for affinities and microevolution of early populations from India/Sri Lanka) and used its conclusions in their arguments in peer reviewed journal publications and book publications, to learn that she is no authority on the subject.

    Running with this theme:

    (JAMES)….. JOKER (Nightfox) is that he comes out with unauthoritative half baked quotations from some researchers….(END)

    F.R. Allchin, R.A.E. Coningham, James W. Gair, K. Indrapala, Michael Roberts etc.. “unauthoritative researchers”???.. You do have a bizarre sense of humour!!..

    The fact that your prepared to criticise Dr. Hawkey’s Research, and everyone else’s peer reviewed findings, whilst in the same breath, prepared to uncritically accept the assertions of Mr. Devanda – made in a public forum such as this – reveals to me how “open” your eyes and your mind is to the concept of “unlearning” and “relearning”, to coin a burrowed phrase.

    Let me end this with a reply to your rather patronising conclusion:

    (JAMES)….. Nightfox is trying to mislead some innocent readers who do not have any knowledge of any of these. I am sure all his lengthy points decorated with colourful language are the same import to mislead others, please do not waste your time in trying to investigate these randomly picked up rubbish….(END)

    I’m sure the members in this forum have sufficient grey matter between the ears to asses the merits of my argument, and with it add a little perspective to the proceedings. I’m sure they don’t need to be told what they should or should not believe. 🙂

    Good day Mr. James..

    ##97. Puma

    With regards to the following:

    (JAMES)…..Did this Dr(Ms) Diane Hawkey tested the Jaw bones & dental records of the Balangoda man too? ….(END)

    I believe the short answer would be “yes”.

    Hope this helps..

    Thanks

  95. 92.Thiru – “Our Dutagemnu and Parakiramapaku unite the srilanka from Tamil invaders”

    Thiru, just in case if you have not yet noticed the history has repeated itself recently and YOUR Mahinda Rajapakse saved Srilanka from another Tamil invader by the name of Velupillai Prabhakaran who met his waterloo in the lagoon of Nanthikadal in May 2009. Now, will you join with me with a glass of champagne to celebrate? That is my Independence day toast. Cheers!!

  96. I am Mugalan, now the Angoda Man, the Joker! So don’t be surprised if I change my identity soon to “An [-balan] goda Man soon!
    Says Mugalan, the former King, for the present::

    I got my mortal remains transferred from ‘Sigiri-bim’ after recent floods when I found that they were floating towards “Demela-bim’ and Demela-kebella” nearby where the remains of Demela soldiers I brought from South India to fight my half brother “Kasiappa” who committed suicide seeing the Damela soldiers coming to fight him albeit he was “Kasi-appa”, the issue from a Damila-devi’. (only Prof.Hoole knew that secret. He did not like it because Kasi-appa’s mother was from Ksatriya Vellala stock and not of his own. Hoole would have preferred if ‘Kasi-appa ‘ was born to a woman- hewer of water to the Raja-gedera. Why Queen Anula put a Damila wood-chopper on the throne!

    I have been watching from my new grave at Angoda what other stuff you fellows write. Stupid!

    Hey, Sivakumar, and others!
    You must be Asoka reborn to say Mahavamsa story of Mahinda and Sanghhamitta is not true because Asoka’s Edicts do not say so. True, The Edicts do not say many things that the Indians have written in Asoka Avadana literature too. So it is not fair to attack Mahanama who like his protégé Dhatusena, was no Sinhalaya but a full-(or cold?)blooded Naga.

    Haven’t you read Viincent Smith’s great volumes on Asoka and of others? The religion of Asoka depicted in the Edicts is not Buddhism but a Universal religion, the “Dhamma”, they say. This is clear from what he says. All citizens are my children, he says. True he quoted some passages to be followed which sound like from Buddhist scriptures which were still being formulated in present form in his time.

    So Asoka did not identify himself with any particular religion, albeit what the present day great Buddhist Ananda Guruge has said in his ‘Pol Gedi’ volume “Asoka” he wrote to convert R.Premadasa to an Asokan model. I do not about converting Premadasa , Guruge got his Ambassadorship to U.S.on that, and Premadasa died on the streets, they say, as a result of retribution!

    How could Asoka with such a liberal frame of mind refer to Mahinda and Sanghamitta as his son and daughter as the two who converted Tambapanni, even if they were ? He had to keep an empire, which was essentially, non Buddhist, contended? That was also irrelevant to his message in the Edicts.

    He does not even refer to Buddha or even Ven.Moggaliputta –Tissa (Was he too Naga or Tamil or Naga-Tamil from the ‘Tissan’ clan?) who was the leading Thero of the time. His relics were found at Sanchi with his name on the casket.

    Asoka also does not speak of “Demela” or even ‘Dameda’ that Paranavitana .translated as Damila/Dravida, not taking into account that “Dameda” in Sri Lankn cave inscriptions refers to a people, called “Trmilas” who lived in the Persian Satrapy of Lycia. If you do not believe look up “Iranian-Lycian Monuments” by Shapur Shahbazi, Vol II, Institute of Achaemenid Publications, 1975. Where it interprets the inscriptions over figures appearing in the monument dated 380-370 B.C. that approximates to the time of introduction of Buddhism to the island. It was a time when people from another Satrapy, Kambija, were present in the island as traders (horse-shippers?)

    So forget about using this ‘non-presence’ of reference to disprove the authencity of Mahavamsa, or even Yalpana Vaipava Malai.

    2. Look at Mahavamsa Parts II, and III (the so called Culavamsa by Geiger). How did the compilers sch details of wars/battles fought by the Sinhala army in Pandya and Cola under General Lankaputra.
    Such details are not found even in modern war, like the SL Army fought in the Vanni.
    Who provided the detailed information. Didn’t some Cola/Pandyan Bhikkus work in the Maavamsa panel?

    Can somebody provide an answer. The South Indians finally had to resort to use of prostitutes to infiltrate the Sinhala army. they introduced the social disease called Upsagga (may be Upadamsa, V.D.). That worked. King Parai-kkrama-vagu had to withdraw the Sinhala army.

    Wait for more after my bones settle down. Still covered with lot of mud from the recent deluge!

  97. 91 Raj:
    You said; “ … Sinhalese and Tamils today have descended from those tribes (Naga, Demada, and many others).” If we accept your premise for an argument sake, why do Sinhalese descendents have a unique language and culture but Tamil decedents speak an identical language and have an identical culture to the people of Tamil Nadu? Not just that said Tamil descendants also share common heroes of the people of Tamil Nadu like Veera pandya Katta Boman. Why? Is that because all Tamils, I mean Indian, Malaysian etc are descendants of Naga, Demada, and many other tribes of Sri Lanka. Come, come, your premise is not logical.

    I am not surprised that you are backing Devananda’s call for all Tamils speaking people to unite. But I very much doubt Muslims would heed to that call for you Tamils kept quiet when their brethren were massacred in hundreds inside their mosques and thrown out of Jaffna with just twenty four hour notice by Tamil Tigers.

    Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised if your call includes the Tamil speaking people of, Malaysia, South Africa and etc. We know that Piripaharan had a vision for a greater Eelam. To pursue that push once again, Devanandas may strive to make up their unwritten imaginary history but we shall never let go oneness of our country.

  98. I think this Devananda is a Tamil traitor. His is contradicting the Tamil history established by many great Tamil scholars.

    I fully agree with #69 Sivakumar. The Nagas (Nakars) were Tamils. They also lived in Tamil Nadu. Even today those ancient Naga cities are there in Tamil Nadu. Naga Kovil, NagaPattinam, NagaPuram, NagaKulam, etc. Even today there are Tamils by the name Nagalingam, Naganathan, Nagasekaran, Nagasundaram, Nagesh, Nagaratnam,etc.

    I also agree with #2 ‘J’, Buddha came to Jaffna – Nagatheevu (Nagadipa). The Nagas (Tamils) were fighting with the Yakkhas. Buddha came and settled the problem. Nakatheevu was the first Naga (Tamil) kingdom in Jaffna. Buddha came to the Tamil kingdom and met the Tamil (Naga) kings. The Tamil kingdom in Jaffna is 3000 years old. Only in 5th Century BC the Tamil kingdom was moved to Anuradapura. Again in the 13th century AD it was moved back to Jaffna. There was always a Tamil (Naga) kingdom for 3000 years.

    This traitor Devananda is saying, there is no evidence before the 13th century AD that there was a Tamil kingdom in Jaffna. No evidence cannot be considered as proof, I fully agree with #7 Yapa, the absence of evidence is merely evidence of absence. In here absence of proof has been taken as positive proof of absence. It is wrong, absence of evidence cannot be taken as proof that it did not exist.

  99. For those interested in knowing the Dutch and British records, let me give you extracts from their original records,

    Commenting on the provenance of the Tamil and Sinhalese languages the Dutch Predikant, Philippus Baldaeus who was in the Island during the mid 17th century asserts,

    “It is to be observed that in Ceylon they not only speak the Cinghalesche but also the Malabaarsche languages, the former from Negombo to Colombo, Caleture, Berbering, Alican, Gale, Belligamme, Matura, Donders etc., But in all other parts of the Island which are contiguous to the coromandel coast Malabaarsche is the prevailing language. I have heard it often asserted by the inhabitants of Jafna patnam that, that part of the country was times past peopled from the Coromandel coast and hence the dialect of their fatherland (which is situated so close to ceylon) the probable accuracy of this account is borne out by the circumstance, that in the interior of the country as Candy, Vintane, Ballaney etc, the Cinghalesche is the only language generally spoken”

    The above view is also corroborated by the Governor Rjklof Van Goens account dated 1675. Referring to Batticaloa he made the following comment,

    “And since all the inhabitants of Batticalo (both in customs, religion, origin and other characteristics) together with those of Jaffnapatnam, Cotjaar and on Westward right over to Calpentyn and the Northern portion of the Mangul Corle inclusive, have been from the remotest times and are still now Malabaars, divided into their tribes, and very unwillingly mix with the Cingalese, Weddas or others outside their tribes, as also the others are not willing to do with these, they are up till now to be considered no otherwise than that they form with those of Jaffnapatnam, Cotjaar, & a people separate from the Cingalese, and have up till now remained pretty well in their freedom; having accepted of their free will the company’s protection only in order to protect themselves against the cruelty of the King of Candi, wherefore it behoves us not to leave them in need or to delay if we do not wish to see them presently stand exposed to the same cruelty; since otherwise we have to expect from this rich, populous and fertile territory yet many fruits both temporal and spiritual.”

    It is in the light of the above background that one has to view the observations of Hugh Cleghorn, who served as Colonial Secretary to the first British Governor of Sri Lanka, namely Frederick North in 1799. He observed that,

    “Two different nations, from very ancient period, have divided between them the possession of the Island. First the Cingalese inhabiting the interior of the country, in its Southern and Western parts, from the river Wallouve, to that of Chilow, and secondly the Malabars,, who posses the northern and eastern districts. These two nations differ entirely in their religion, language and manners. The former, who are allowed to be the earlier settlers, derive their origin from Siam, professing the ancient religion of that country. Besides these two nations, Mohometans from the coast of India, are spread in great numbers everywhere along the coast; they are beyond all comparison, the most industrious, and useful class of inhabitants, but being the last setlers, they are regarded not only as strangers but are moreover very unwisely and unjustly exposed in the European settlements to very high captitation tax and other particular imposts.”

    In particular, Hugh Cleghorn, Colonial Secretary of Ceylon in 1798, even characterised the two nations, in his famous minutes of 1799, as being of ancient origin and differing entirely in their religion, language and manner (Pieris, 1953). Denham (1911), who reviewed the 1911 Census of Ceylon, also stated that in spite of the closest political connection, the two races are as distinct to-day in Ceylon as the limits of their settlements are clearly defined.

    The limits of these Sinhalese and Tamil settlements have even been documented in 19th century maps prepared by British map makers. In particular, Arrowsmith’s 1857 map of Ceylon, indicate that Sinhalese area can be distinguished from Tamil areas by the language used for place-names, including those designated for natural and human-made features (Emerson, 1859).

    The boundaries between the two peoples coincide with areas where Sinhalese names, such as oya, wewa, gama, gamwa, wia, etc. switch to Tamil names, such as colom, aar, oor, madoo, tivoo, etc. . .It also appears that the areas occupied by the two peoples were distinct enough to persuade the British colonial government to designate the territory inhabited almost exclusive by Tamils as the Northern and Eastern provinces in 1873.
    The census of Ceylon conducted in 1881 also indicate that the two Tamil provinces were inhabited almost exclusively by Tamils in the late nineteenth century (Census of Ceylon, 1881). The Sinhalese population constituted only 1.8% of the total population of the two Tamil provinces in 1881; Sinhalese accounted for only 0.51% of the total population of the Northern Province, and 4.2% of the Eastern Province.

    This administrative attitude of the British make it clearly evident that to them although the whole of Sri Lanka was under their complete control, the people of the Sinhalese areas and the people of the Sri Lankan Tamil areas were two distinct elements of the same island’s population. The recognition of the Tamil identity of these North Eastern provinces by the British is also confirmed by the successive census taken in these regions starting from 1827, 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911, 1921, 1946, 1953, 1963, 1971 to 1981. The recognition of such a distinction by the British authorities grew even clearer when they began to introduce gradually political or constitutional innovations in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and even later.

    A Chief Justice in the British Government, Sir Alexander Johnston wrote on 01.07.1827 to the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland as follows….”…I think it may safely be concluded both from them and all the different histories which I have in my possession, that the race of people who inhabited the whole of the Northern and Eastern Provinces of the Island of Ceylon, at the period of their greatest agricultural prosperity spoke the same language, used the same written character, and had the same origin, religion, castes, laws and manners, as the race of people who at the same period inhabited the southern peninsula of India….”

    “The fact is that in the census of 1920 only 4 percent of the population of the Eastern Province was Sinhalese. The Sinhalese settlements in the east were small and scattered, even though there is historical evidence that most of the east came under the umbrella of the Kandyan Kingdom. But while the ultimate rulers were in the Sinhalese Kingdom of Kandy, the people of the east were mostly Tamils and Muslims. It is only in the past fifty years that there has been a substantial influx of Sinhalese settlements through state intervention.”

    1795/96: The British take Ceylon from the Dutch.
    1796: J. Burnand, a Swiss soldier in the service of the Dutch and later the English, and governor of Batticaloa, composes a ‘memoir’ in Batticaloa and the Vanni and his administration there in 1794.

    1798: J. Burnand helps with the suppression of the revolt against the Indian amildars, administrators brought from Madras to Ceylon. He drafts another ‘memoir’ on the North and
    Northeast, in which he locates the origins of the Sinhalese in Siam and mentions that from time immemorial Sinhalese and Tamils had divided the rule of the island between the two of
    them.

    1799: The English translation of Burnand’s memoir of 1798 becomes known as the ‘Cleghorn minute’.

  100. The Answer/Reply to Bandu De Silva’s rebuttal is very simple. Bandu’s argument is about the Mahavamsa and the present day Sinhala Psyche.

    In my view three major historical currents continue to shape the Sinhala psyche and determine its direction,

    One, is the pervasive belief that the Buddha bequeathed SL exclusively to the Sinhalayo as their home and as the home of Buddhism, a claim set out unambiguously in Ch 6 of the Mahavamsa. This belief may not be articulated today by rational Sinhalayo in as many words, but the claim that SL is primarily the property of the Sinhalayo is the unseen major premise of their consciousness. Whether or not that claim has any historical or moral basis is not the issue, what is important is that it permeates Sinhala consciousness and acts as the motor that drives it, in the same way that the belief that Jehovah God granted Zion exclusively to the Hebrew race has been the bedrock of Jewish consciousness for 4000 years.

    The second, is the belief among the Maha Sangha, based on the great Sinhala chronicles, that they are the custodians and executors of this mandate and that they therefore have a right to determine who should rule the country and what policies they should follow on national issues.

    The third, is the collective memory, deeply embedded in the Sinhala psyche, of the depredations that the Chola invaders, the most predatory of the Indian civilisations, inflicted on the Sinhala civilisations at the turn of the first millennium.

    These three forces comprise the hinterland or the indestructible central zone of the Sinhala psyche, and though dormant for most of the time, when exposed to agitational campaigns, they fuse and ignite, to manifest with explosive power as pressure on Sinhala leaders not to grant concessions to the Tamil people.

  101. Okay. Now tell me can you prove the arrival of the King Vijaya and his party of 700 followers.

    Mahavamsa is a cocktail of both fiction and fact and these fiction and fact seamlessly mix.

    In this potion it is now difficult to point which is fiction and which is fact.

    If you are going to take the entire Mahavamsa as absolute truth that is wrong.

    How do you explain the three visits of the Budha scientifically.

    About the Mahinda Thero or the Sangamitta Theri there is nothing said by the edicts of the Ashoka to my best knowledge.

    If you can tell that then I will be enlightened.

    When I say Mahavamsa is a cocktail of facts and fiction I also mean that many of our Hindu Puranas and other literature are also a mixture of both fact and fiction.

    They have been written with certain idea in mind.

    We have to separate the chaff from the wheat and come to truth our selves.

  102. Why do Sinhalese think they are Aryan?

    Lawrence J Swier, in his book Sri Lanka: War-Torn Island, had this to say about the damage done by Anagarika Dharmapala:

    `Perhaps more than any other person, Dharmapala was responsible for popularizing the faulty impression that Tamils and Sinhalese had been deadly enemies in Sri Lanka for nearly 2000 years. He often quoted Mahavamsa as if it were a completely factual account, and his favorite passages were those that made the Tamils sound like pagan invaders who were running the island. Much of his preaching and writing was racist. Dharmapala insisted that the Sinhalese were racially pure Aryans? by which he meant that they had racial ties with the North Indians, Iranians and Europeans, He contrasted the Sinhalese racial line with that of the Dravidian Tamils, which he claimed was inferior.`

    Attempts by British rulers to write the history of Ceylon largely based on the uncritical acceptance of the local chronicles, and school textbooks on Ceylon history that are based on the Mahavamsa are now cited as the main reasons for the continuation of the Sinhala belief that they are the `proper inhabitants of the island.`

  103. //86. Leela | February 3rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    The answer for your question is init your comment. Because we were/are Tamil speaking peoples on that era.

  104. “Neither Epigraphy nor Pali chronicles say Dutugemunu was a Sinhala”

    Recording/stating obvious is not the role of any respectable book. If Tamils want to make untruth the truth this way, let them do it and see. You don’t have to expect reasonable responses only to this kind of fabricated lies. It happened once through Mr. Prabakaran. You can try it, you will experience the same thing though Prabakaran-II, as well. Please stop this foul game. You all very well know that most of the Tamils of Sri Lanka, are descendants of Tamils brought by Portuguese, Dutch and English colonials after 16th century. Others are the descendants of the soldiers of Aryachakravarthi, the invader after the 13th century. Before that there were no Tamil settlements in Sri Lanka.

    If Dutugemunu was a Tamilan, as the writer tries to indicate, how come his famous saying ” Uthurin Haedi Demalu, Dakunin Golu Muhuda…………………..” (Tamils in the north and dumb ocean in the south, how can I stretch my limbs?), comes to his mouth? How do these Pandiths do not know how the Royal Dunasty of Magama was formed? They do not know Dutugemunu was a son of Buddhist parents, and hence a Sinhalese.

    After Buddhism came to Sri Lanka it united all the tribes in the country under one common identity as a single nation called “Sinhalese”. No Yakas or Nagas were left. No traditions of Yaksa or Nagas continued. Sinhhalese is not a race but an ethnic group. It displayed its identity as an ethnic group, not as a race. These people are trying to bring back an unknown racial division in Sinhalese. Sinhalese did not continue with racial identities after it became a single nation. That is why you cannot identify Yakas from Nagas in Sinhala society today. On the other hand there is no evidence to resemble Yakas or Nagas to any racial group prevailing today, as Tamils claim . They claim both Yakas and nags were Tamils. Then the Sinhalese, which is the composition of those two groups they claim Tamils and hence their argument is that the island was belong to them.

    Really there is hardly any evidence to say Yakas and Nagas are Tamils, than their wishful aspirations. Even if they were Tamils they lost that racial identities and adopted the ethnic identity as Sinhalese after they became the Nation of this country. That is the reason why all the Tamil invaders were resisted by that composite entity,Sinhalese, throughout the history. If the inhabitant nation of the island had a Tamil identity, how come they oppose Tamil invaders. Instead they could have cordially welcome them. This fact alone is sufficient to understand that the identity of ” Sinhala Nation” was a more strong bond/unit than any other thing throughout the history of Sri Lanka, irrespective of its tribal constituencies . Throughout the history Sinhalese was the nation inhabited in the country. They were the “universal set” of Sri Lanka. Nothing else belonged to this set until the invader Aryachakravarthi established a by force rule in a part of Sri Lanka and until the colonials brought Tamils to work in their cultivations. Until then Sri Lanka was a single nation called Sinhalese, whose ethnic identities were abandoned for better good of the nation.

    Does anybody want to break old Sinhala nation after 2500 years into its racial components to claim their right to the lands of the country,naming them as “Traditional Homeland”, Tamil Eelam? What a joke? You will see Yakkas and Nagas as Tamils in your wishful greedy day dreams only. No reasonable man will be convinced so. Tamils only have a history of a few hundred years in this island, that is also as the descendants of unauthorized settlers of this country. Still we have no objection for their equal rights in this country. But they should not fabricate ransom theories to destroy its rightful ancient nation.

    Thanks!

  105. correction………

    “Tamils to work in their cultivations. Until then Sri Lanka was a single nation called Sinhalese, whose ethnic identities were abandoned for better good of the nation.”

    Should be corrected as

    Tamils to work in their cultivations. Until then Sri Lanka was a single nation called Sinhalese, whose racial identities were abandoned for better good of the nation.

    Thanks!

  106. Correction………

    “Until then Sri Lanka was a single nation called Sinhalese, whose ethnic identities were abandoned for better good of the nation.”

    should be corrected as

    Until then Sri Lanka was a single nation called Sinhalese, whose racial identities were abandoned for better good of the nation.

    Thanks!

  107. Hi Jeyraj,

    No point arguing about the past, it has being a constant power struggle between Sinhalese and Tamils in the Island of Lanka for the past which can be reasonably recognised. Sinhalese won the war, this time around, it may happen again in another 50-100yrs.

    The Eelam war would have fought many more years ago, if not for foreign Invaders

  108. 91. Raj | February 3rd, 2011 at 7:34 pm,

    I absolutely agree with you , We must un learn the past and creat a united Srilankai where all are equal.

  109. Raj@ 19,

    “Only now we come to know how, for many thousands of years, the Sinhalese have been twisting the stories and making many many stories or His-stories.”

    You have misled by the only article you read. The bias in the article is favourable for you. That is why you think so. Other than that objective value of the article is zero.

    Please explore more you will realize the reality. Don’t do recurrent mistakes, I warn you. Beware of your wishful biased thinking! It could happen again!

    Thanks!

  110. Will Sri Lanka prosper and will peace prevail?

    In multiethnic societies/countries like Sri Lanka where the ethnic differences is usually enough to create tension in the relation between races, if one race GRABS all the political or economic power for itself just because it is a majority, there will definitely be strong antagonism from other races, which causes political instability and violent confrontations as we see in our country.

    In such situations, no economic growth or development takes place, and therefore, the race which takes all for itself will find that it would be owning all of nothing of the country that is politically unstable and with an economy that not only fail to grow but would actually be shrinking, in the end, the race which grabs everything will find that it has nothing.

    On the other hand, if the races decide to share political power and economic wealth under a federal system within a united country, the chances are the country would be stable and the economy would grow, each race will get less then 100% of the political power or economic wealth but the growth of the country in both spheres will ensure that the portion that each race gets would actually be bigger than the 100% of the original political power and economic wealth.

    If I put in simple terms, it is better to own a slice of the political or economic cake which grows healthily than to own the whole of the cake that shrinks and disappears. That is, the races share political power and strive to redistribute wealth from the growing economic cake so as to ensure that every race has a fair share.

    This fair share was what the moderate Tamils were asking for the last so many years before the violence started.

    When the Europeans were ruling the country, they treated both Sinhalese and Tamils equally. They did not colonize the Sinhalese in Tamil areas (they settled Indian Tamil labor in Tea and Rubber estates because the Sinhalese were lazy and even today it is the major economy), they did not bring ‘Sinhala Only, Buddhist only’ laws, they developed Jaffna almost similar to Colombo, they gave employment on merit basis, to put it in simple terms, the Sinhalese and Tamils were treated equally without any discrimination.

    If the Sinhalese leaders did the same, our economy would have grown, today Sri Lanka would have been in a better position in the world map, and will not be known as ‘the country of housemaids/nannies’.

  111. Gavin,

    “In my thinking the article does not look at things in the current context but rake up shit.”

    If Mahawamsa is/was shit when raked by any one even you it will smell like shit if it is / was a rose if you or any one rakes it will smell like rose

  112. Thanks once again to DBSJ for publishing this. You are the master of the historical and contemporary.

    Many of the commentators of Ranjan’s vintage will not grasp that the facts presented by Mr Devananda go beyond a mere gentleman’s debate between a respected academic and scholar and an articuate but obvious amateur ex-diplomat padding up to once defend the indefensible

    It is not even just a mere revision of accepted Sri Lankan history or a challenge post-colonial identities in Sri Lanka. Any reader with a inquiring mind would realise that most of the facts Mr Devananda has presented in the public domain are well accepted, long published historical conclusions and are probably well beyind the pale of meaningful dispute now and are being refined not refuted in light of ongoing archaeological discoveries in Sri Lanka . So where does the shock value come from? It is astonishing to see readers reacting to as if Mr Devananda has just said the sun does not revolve around the earth, or like Ranjan insipid uneasy quibbling without grasping the big picture:

    Mr Devananda’s account will have to form the basis for reconciliation in Sri Lanka if there is to be a future without a minority community living under the shadow of marjoritarian chauvinism.

  113. 36. svinson | February 1st, 2011 at 5:34 pm,

    You don’t have a credible history in Srilanka that is why Your monks, politicians were trying to twist things (Teachings, colonisisation, changing constitutions,/ names, pogroms violence in and out of parliaments, Monk killed priminister) since the 1940’s. and this let to the present state of affairs. Please unlearn the wrong past and learn afresh mate.

  114. Further to my post at 98, if Tamils consider Yaks and Nagas as Tamils then the Sinhalese should be Tamils as the constituent nation of both those tribes. In that case, as Sinhalese are Tamils as their extended argument, why Tamils cannot assimilate in to “majority Tamil community” (Sinhalese) and become a single nation without trying to make a different identity?

    All those are false theories fabricate only to gain undue advantages?

    Can anybody provide counter arguments?

    These people are making simple things complex for to get undue advantages from the confusion created through the complexity.

    Bad intension won’t bear the fruits of good. You will have to reap as you sow.

    Thanks!

  115. 96. Leela

    If you want to go by your Mahavamsa as purely historical, can we also go by our own Ramayana.

    Lord Rama built a bridge over the ocean and there is reference to it in the Tamil Nadu gazette that it was used until 1480 by the people to move in and out of the island.

    By that analogy can we say that Tamils were moving in and out of your island from tamil Nadu from the days of Ramayana.

  116. Night fox

    Did it not occored to Proff Jeyasuria that Balangoda man may have died in Balangoda on his voyage and he may be a vip sailor/worriarer from Europe/Iran/Egypt /or even from the east of the spice route.

  117. 82. Nightfox /Sinhale Hot News

    XXXX A study using the ground-breaking technique of dental morphological analysis indicates that ancestors of the present day Sinhalese could have established the islands megalithic culture. It also concludes that the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilisation of Harappa had dental traits resembling Sinhalese much more closely than Tamils or other Dravidian speaking populations.XXX

    +++With a public forum such as this, there is a certain responsibility to be honest in your writing, especially when it comes to history+++
    Dear Nightfox , we know who you are. you are a dis information diseminatinater. Funded by( I can be more specific but for modesty) Mahavamsa mindset.

    Which ground breaking Technique of dental morphological analysis and you are claiming????? More reliable than DNA analysis?????? Could you enlighten us the work of ‘Prof’ Jayasuria’s was sponsored by whom? How did he tried to bribe Prof. Christiaan Barnard, the pioneer of heart transplant surgery, was inducted as the Patron of this University.

    (The Veddah chief Tissahamy died three years ago at the ripe age of 104 years. It is believed that he descended from a branch of the Balangoda man). Why could not this Balangoda man be a worrier /sailer from Iran,China /Europaian vip died in Balngoda on his voyage via the spice route????

  118. Dear wijapala #93

    “ancient inscriptions which mention Mahinda and Sanghamitta together with their Mahavamsa contemporaries?”

    Which ancient inscriptions???? have you looked it to them if so could you enlighten us in more details please.

  119.   95. Anonymous  |  February 3rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
    “If so Sinhalese must have been a pretty clever mob??? ”

    OH  NO They may have been good scavengers!!!! that is how mahavamsa was written.

  120. 97. Puma | February 4th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    And Nightfox and the likes your all are instead of unlearning your brain washed past and learn a fresh unbiased history trying to find filmsey evidence for your Mythical past.

  121. If you goto Malaysia, there are 3 ethnic (Malay, Chinese & Tamil), Malay are only 50%
    But they gets special privileges because of they are majority. As an example when they buy a house Malay people gets 10% (I believe) reduced price than other ethnics (because of they are majority). But Tamils in Malaysia very happily lived with other ethnic.

    Therefore Tamil(Jaffna Tamil) has to understand, the majority ethnic of Sri lanka must be given some respect. Because majority(you can call sinhala or Hela or any name) people scarified to save this country. Example When the Elara came to Sri Lanka, no Tamil king fought to save the country from him. (Only the majority ethnic fought against him and save the country, after that now jaffna tmail try to claim that’s its their part without any scarifies. Its not fair).

    If you don’t want to contribute or scarifies to Sri lanka then don’t ask any privileges.

    The problem of the Sri Lanka Tamil (Jaffna) is they don’t like to be mixed with other
    People of Sri Lanka. They don’t want to learn Sinhala. Think about Tamil politician, they lived in Colombo and goto school with Sinhala friends, but they advice innocent Tamils in Jaffana not to learn Sinhala. (This is how the politics works) even in Canada the same thing going on with French politics

    If the Tamils want to break this circle in Sri Lanka then they must
    1. Love Sri Lanka.
    2. Learn Sri Lankan National Anthem.
    3. They have to learn Sinhala and speak Sinhala (in Sri lankan accent) because Sinhala is the business language in Sri Lanka.

    Lots of writers in this page are living in Canada, if they willing to follow the above 3 for Canada (when they become citizen of Canada) then why not Sri Lankan Tamils.

    If you come to Canada if you speak English (in Canadian accent) then you get special privilege. There is a big different in Canada if you don’t have Canadian accent.

    Only way people can Speck Canadian English or break the cycle is going school in Canada with other Canadian children or goto Canadian Universities.

    Therefore I advice Tamil people to mix with Sinhala people. Goto Sinhala Schools. Marry sinhala girls or boys. Eat sinhala foods. Listen to sinhala music. Contribute something to the country. Show that you love this country.

    I had a good Tamil friend while I was in the university in Sri lanka. He got more problems from Tamil rather than Sinhala people. He could not goto jaffana for 5 years while we were in the university to see his parent not because of the war but because he did not pay 25% of the money to LTTE when his mother sold their house and gave 25000Rs to my friend to come to Colombo and goto the university.

    Then u can understand the reality.

    I believe, If you really love sri lankan Tamils then give some help to them to rebuild their lives after the war, rather than just writing articles and do nothing.

  122. TO
    118. brothern

    Yes I accept your point. I also don’t like monks are doing politics.
    Because if monks are doing policts then people r starting
    hating monks rhather than going to them for advice.

    I have very respect on monks and other religious leaders.
    Therefore I am not talking anything about them.

    _________________________________
    Who are NAGA?

    I could not understand why writers try to tell that NAGA is Tamil. Even today there are 6 Tamil tribes are in Sri Lanka

    1. Jaffna Tamils
    2. Colombo Tamils
    3. Indian Tamils
    4. Atharapatha Tamils.
    5. Tamil Diaspora
    6. Tamil boat people.

    Now which Tamils are NAGA?

  123. 115. Gunapala

    If I put in simple terms, it is better to own a slice of the political or economic cake which grows healthily than to own the whole of the cake that shrinks and disappears. That is, the races share political power and strive to redistribute wealth from the growing economic cake so as to ensure that every race has a fair share.

    ———————————————————————–

    So to ask you are rhetorical question, based on the above argument, would you agree that the situation that Ceylon found herself in at the end of the Colonial period, when most of the professional, civil services, and trade were dominated by one ethnic group that was a minority in the country would be perceived by the rest of the population as very unfair distribution?

  124. Dear James #104,

    I congratulate you on your cut-and-paste skills, although it would have been nice if you had properly credited Prof. Sitrampalam or at least the Northeastern Herald.

    I have a question for both of you:

    It is in the light of the above background that one has to view the observations of Hugh Cleghorn, who served as Colonial Secretary to the first British Governor of Sri Lanka, namely Frederick North in 1799. He observed that,

    Are you referring to the same Cleghorn who claimed that the Cinghalese originated from Siam?

  125. 117. RS Wickramasinghe

    ‘Many of the commentators of Ranjan’s vintage will not grasp that the facts presented by Mr Devananda go beyond a mere gentleman’s debate between a respected academic and scholar and an articulate but obvious amateur ex-diplomat padding up to once defend the indefensible”

    ——————————–

    Would you agree that the counter arguments presented by Nightfox, backed by references and citations also merit serious consideration by readers just as the last two written by Mr. Devananda? Or that what he wrote should be discounted just because his writing does not agree with what you perceive as the truth?

    —————————————————
    “Any reader with a inquiring mind would realise that most of the facts Mr Devananda has presented in the public domain are well accepted, long published historical conclusions and are probably well beyind the pale of meaningful dispute now and are being refined not refuted in light of ongoing archaeological discoveries in Sri Lanka.”

    ———————————————

    I would think that some of what Mr Devananda had written are being refuted in a very professional fashion by Nightfox.

    I did not like the original article by Mr Devananda because I thought it was a collection of speculations without solid backing of facts and references. In a comment to that article, I challenged Mr Devanada to back up his hypotheses and speculation with fact. He did so very well in the next two articles which were well written and well referenced. In comment #9 I acknowledged that fact and I commended him. In the same comment, I also said that I would like to see the responses of other people who are more knowledgable than me on this subject to comment. I am glad to see that Nightfox has very admirably done that.

    So Mr Wickramasingha, pray do tell, where is my “inspid uneasy quibbling”? Also, please educate me and the rest of the “unwashed and ignorant” commenters of this blog as to what big picture have we missed?

    Rather than taking pot shots and making snide remarks at people who are trying to have a dialog with others through this blog, why don’t you respond with facts and arguments of your own. May be that is too much to ask for?

  126. #101 Mugalan

    When I first read your comments I was thinking that you must have escaped from mental asylum or addicted to some kind of hallucinatory drugs???

    My thinking was correct, now you are admitting that you have again moved back to your rightful place.
    If you say all what you have written above to your pals, the inmates at the mental institute in Angoda where you rightly belong, I am sure they will give you a standing ovation.
    But, unfortunately you are dumping all your precious gems that most valuable to the people of Angoda in a public blog where people either ridicule you or simply ignore you.
    Please cast your pearls to those intellects at the mental institute in Angoda, they will definitely consider you as the greatest Sinhala-Buddhist Scholar that the Lion Nation has ever produced.

  127. Further to my earlier posts I would like to ask a simple question tantamount from the basic arguments of the Tamils who claim that the country is belonged to them than Sinhalese.

    They say Sinhala genes more similar to Tamil genes, as per DNA tests carried out, and indicate they have a right to the country as the ancestors of the nation is Tamils, saying that ancient Yakka and Naga tribes were Tamils. There is no evidence at all to back this notion, anyway if it is true, is there a basis for their claim for the island on that basis of race?

    Now, for example all the white people in the USA, UK, Canada, Australia are of the Aryan race. But as the “original Aryans”, can Iranians claim citizenships in those countries?

    Will this “racial claim” be entertained by those countries?
    Is the Tamil claim different from this?

    Can anybody give a reasonable answer?

    Thanks!

  128. 73. Leela

    Though Tamils are seventy million, they have no country that can be called Tamil country. That is the crux of the matter for the modern day Tamils.

    ———————————-

    The day the Tamils have a separate country for them that day there will be trouble for your island nation.

  129. #127 Sivanson and other Sinhala-Buddhists,

    Please do not talk senseless nonsense and become a clown in a public blog.
    Are you promoting Sinhala-Buddhist Hegemony? Sinhala Only-Buddhist Only?
    Why should the minorities adopt the majority’s way of life? This is the dream of all your politicians right from independence, to create a Sinhala-Buddhist Hegemonic state because they were all obsessed with the historical fiction (Mahavamsa).
    The Tamils had a separate region in Sri Lanka at least from the 13th century AD, why are you people denying it, you know how Sinhalese became majority, if you read Palan’s comment, you will know how the Tamils became a minority.

    Now tell me,
    If a group of people, especially confined mainly to a specific region are oppressed or deprived of their fundamental freedoms and as rightful citizens/natives of that specific land, are dissatisfied with their treatment, then they have a right to seek greater autonomy or even in extreme circumstances, a complete independence from what they feel is an oppressive state. That right to self-determination is a valid right and an excepted right in many international treaties.

    From independence, for many years, the Tamils were at the receiving end. Whenever they had a peaceful Gandian style protest against discrimination, the racist policemen and the Sinhala government aided thugs attacked them and later burnt their shops and looted their belongings. In addition, there were anti-Tamil riots in 1956, 58, 77, 81 and 83 where the innocent Tamil civilians who were not involved in any type of politics were burnt alive by the so called brave Sinhala Lions.

    The LTTE is the direct consequence of the Sinhala Buddhist racist governments policy to refuse to share the wealth/political power among its own people (minorities), and instead suppress the legitimate Tamil rights by violent means. It is the Sinhala governments which created the terrorist monster (LTTE).

    On the other hand, the Sri Lankan Armed forces are also a bunch of state sponsored Terrorists, brainwashed by the SinhalaBuddhist Monks. They are highly racist and most undisciplined non-Tamil speaking (Sinhala) armed forces, forcefully occupying the Tamil areas.

    The enormous degree of immunity granted to them by the government has led to harassment, illegal detention, torture, disappearances, extra judicial killings, and rape of innocent Tamils which forced more and more young Tamils to take up arms for a liberation struggle.

    Do you think that those young Tamil Boys/Girls who were biting the cyanide capsule or blowing themselves up just for FUN? What other options did they have in the above situation?

    Now let’s put it the other way,

    Will you be happy if an extremely racist, highly undisciplined, and non Sinhala speaking group of soldiers armed to the teeth roam around in your village/home town/traditional native land and harass, detain, torture, rape and kill your people?

    How long will it take for the Sinhalese youth (Lions and lionesses) to take up arms to fight them? Or will they be just looking the other way when their brothers and sisters get tortured, raped and killed?

    Common, be fair to us, we are also a part of this country from ancient time, why are you Sinhalese denying this fact? Nothing but the Mahavamsa mindset that was put into your heads by none other than people like Anagarika Dammapala in the early 20th century, please try to come out of that poisonous mindset which is causing misery to the entire country, not only to Tamils and Sinhalese but to all.

  130. dan, leelan, first, cebunka..

    Greetings gentleman or any ladies present under the above mentioned pseudonyms.

    If you have an academic point to raise with regards to the facts presented in my original post, then please do so in an articulate fashion that carries with it the associated guidelines necessary for an academic debate..

    If your query is of a personal nature, and it would appear the overwhelming attitude here is to trade a few insults.. then I’m sorry, i don’t play ball with such players..

    Thanks

  131. Dear eelam brothers (& a few sister),

    This article confirms that the nasty Sinhala’s magicallly appears on the island in the 8th century, then magically became the dominant race and then magically populated most of the island.

    They also magically created Stupa’s in the in 200BC (1000 years before we originated), Wrote rock inscriptions in 600AD (see Nissanka malla’s rock inscriptions in Anuradhapura), built sigiriya depicting a lion in the 8th century (same year we appeared magically), and Yapahuwa.

    All these magical things were done by the super duper smart Demila’s…they put lion imagery on our building for the fun of it…and built massive buddhist works for the love of buddism thought they were worshipping siva’s lingam …..so smart are they 🙂

  132. 100. Liyanage
    If this is your independent day tost http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/sri-lanka-accused-of-war-crimes-in-final-onslaught-1975611.html
    I never accept even glass of water from you.

    Nowhere in the world celebrate Genocide as nation history!
    How is seems to you as history repeating??

    When real Indian army invader occuping srilankan soil who fought against foregin army? Our Mahinda Rajapakse from Hampanthotta or Velupillai Prabhakaran fromValvetithurai?

    Poor Liyanage!! I am not Kathirgama Kapurala!!!

  133. Answer to
    136. Raj
    ##############

    ARMY doesn’t care whether u are TMIL or Sinhala-buddhist.

    In 89 Army did the same thing to Sinhala-Buddist (JVP),
    Actually in 89 it was really bad than today because no any western County came to talk about human rights.

    Therefore ARMY is ARMY
    (Whether they are USA army or Indian ARMY or CUBAN ARMY Or Sri lanka ARMY) they do all the same.
    If the Tamilnadu Army comes to Jaffan then they do the same.

    I believe Sri Lanka Army is better than USA, Indian or any other ARMY. (According to what I see right now and how they treat to the capturing LTTE fighters)

    against discrimination
    _____________________________
    Can u explain what discrimination you are talking about.

    I believe everyone has problems in Sri Lanka, that’s why in 71 & 89 sinhala people people surprised . Therefore don’t think problems are only for Tamils people.

    Only really problem I can see is job issue for Tamils.
    That’s mainly because of Language problem & 30 years of war in north part.
    Therefore advice young Tamils to learn Sinhala and get job in south & help the government to build infrastructure in North.

    I have never been to north or I had never witnessed any war. Therefore I don’t know how bad it is.

    One day my father told me that when he went to north (Jaffna) the Tamil people treated him very well. Sometime Tamil people cooked food for him even without eating themselves. Still I remember it, Because of this reason I always helped Tamil people as much as I could.
    As an example
    Before I came to Canada I worked in Colombo and I conducted an interview to get a computer lecture to our company. 30 people came. Only 1 Tamil (Jaffna) person came. I selected this Tamil person because of what my father told me.

    Therefore don’t put any hate in to the young Tamils mind. Sinhala people nothing to do with the war. May be politico responsible but sinhala people are not responsible for the war.

    My brother was in army. He was nearly missed his life 11 times,You don’t believe 8 times he was able to save his life because of Tamil people.Every time, Tamil people informed him 1 day before that someone going to attack him.Therefore he was able to be ready and able to face the attack to live even today.

    I am sure if he was bad to Tamils then never ever tamil people would inform him about suicide attacks on him.

  134. What clearly visible in Devananda’s articles is he has written everything to support what he believes and suit his agenda, but not to enlighten the people who are in dark enabling them to form their own opnions. That’s why you don’t see any solid findings about sinhalese’ existance in his articles other than reinforcing the tamil heritage. It’s actually like cart going before the horse. I believe when he says “Mahawamsa mindset” conditioned many sinhalese, but not to the extent he is convinced of. What we have to establish is Tamils also have a heritage in this country like sinhalese do, so they’re not migrants like some think of, other than that there is no such need for a so-called political solution as long tamils can climb to any position in SL.

  135. Unfortunately some people, for that matter quite a number of them, remain static in this dynamic world. It is like the rock of Sigiriya just stand there as a monument for thousands of years unchallenged by the passage of time.

    The majority too fall into this same category, I am not against them because they are not malicious nor mean but quite ignorant, refuse to budge, refuse to re-adjust the thinking capacity in this changing world.

    Some of us are lucky to be in the west to some extent where we could see for our self how dynamism is in operation and compare that input with our static society that remain static with their out dated thinking and believes like the Sigiriya Rock boasting of a past glory.

    I think no country in the world has a single source of history to rely on nor they bother about. Sri Lankan people are going through the same crisis some countries in Europe would have gone through some decades or centuries ago. With economic prosperity and development, religion, history etc. have taken a back seat. Even India with its long Hindu history, culture & spirituality is now talking about secularism. This has happened as a result of the economic development and their politicians identifying their priorities for the interest of their country. Countries with Short histories like USA, Canada & Australia are flourishing while the ego of a few South Asian countries like Sri Lanka are keeping them down talking about their rich past but not the unfortunate present & the disastrous future.

    Unfortunately, our majority have been brought up, grew up, evolved and metamorphosed in the out dated and non-existent Mahavamsa mindset and strongly, genuinely and reverently believes that this little tear shaped island belongs to the Lion race, the chosen people of Lord Buddha.

    Out of their ignorance and innocence they still cling onto this myth and refusing to move in any progressive direction and even prepared for self -ruination rather than re-writing this myth. They are hell bent on clinging on to this sinking belief at any cost and not prepared to think beyond Vijaya and Duttagemunu. Any political arrangement to co-exist with the minority in the name of good governance and for the larger interest of the country is sacrilege to them, at least this is what they believe.

    There are numerous countries that are successfully executing this political arrangement and progressing by leaps and bounds while the Sri Lanka is going on the reverse gear, sinking into untold misery and poverty, innocently immersed in this perverted and foolish belief.

    For the Sinhalese, SL history starts at a point only convenient to them and they are blind to look beyond that. This is why what many of us try to enlighten them about the Tamil militancy, violence, non-cooperation; resistance, etc. do not get into their head.

    For them the Tamil history in this country starts with Tamil militancy and whatever sins, crimes and injustices done to the Tamils do not strike their conscience. This is where the trouble is. This is why many of them keep on repeating the same story in spite of painful efforts made by many to explain the underlying situation for this turmoil. In other words the natives remain unmoved like the Sigiriya rock and watching the world moving by without any effort to influence their thinking and analytical capacities.

    All those Tamil blokes, educated and illiterate, good and bad, old and young and males and females, all of them trusted very much in the sophistication of SL democracy and even trusted in Gandhi’s ahimsa one time and their bodies are still aching of the response by the ‘civilized’ Sinhalese for placing trust in those sophisticated methods.

    They tried, tried and tried, day in, day out but no progress, they were just there like the Sigiriya rock. Then for a change finally they tried the ‘primitive’ method as someone down the line thought that primitive method has to be met by primitive method and then things started to move. Pain was understood though not accepted and democratic methods of talking peace surfaced, the cornered lion started talking of peace and democracy. Had the Sinhalese really believed in these methods sincerely none of these problems would have arisen. Any way but someone down the line believes that never trust the Lions and keep the pressure on until democracy spills out of the lion’s mouth. We made a mistake because we underestimated the original primitives by adopting their methods in which they were experts.

    The biggest challenge for Sri Lanka is how to make the majority to think and analyse our past effectively in order to build a bright future which is actually a Herculean task. I only hope they won’t remain like the Sigiriya rock.

  136. Obviously this article has made one too many singhalese feel insecure.

    This is a historical article backed with facts. If you are going to take on Devananda, prepare to be factual. And for gods sake, read the darn article.

    Your comments that are spawned by anger, and insecurity (most commentators did not read article) really mean nothing to anyone. if you can post intelligently, facts that actually oppose what Devananda is saying please do so.

    Also, please loose the insecurity. No one is going to claim land based on this article! its humorous reading comments posted by people like J. We are not going to start calling ‘J’, Jayaratnam. We are not going to change your names and convert you to Hindus. Relax. This is just a historical analysis, that is quite factual.

    what Devananda wrote in simple English : “From a very young age, the innocent Sinhala Buddhist children are brainwashed by their parents/grandparents, teachers, Buddhist priests (some members of the Maha Sangha), media personnel, text book writers, and some of the Daham Paasela (Sunday school) teachers in the Buddhist temples by engraving the Sinhala-Buddhist Mahavansa mindset and Sinhala Buddhist racism into their sub-conscious minds. They are taught to believe that the non-Sinhala Buddhists (Tamils) are invaders who do not belong to Sri Lanka. All the Tamils should be chased away to Tamil Nadu (where they belong) just the way their ancient Kings like Dutugemunu did. The country (Sri Lanka), Sinhala race and Buddhism should be protected from the Tamils. Now, from recently, they have also included the Christians in those needing to be thrown out. Due to the above conditioning, the Sinhala-Buddhist majority believes that the entire Sri Lanka belongs to them and the minorities are aliens.”

    The above paragraph is 100% true. Its shameful. But true. ‘J’ you know this. If you need a refreshment, please come back and visit Sri Lanka and refresh yourself.

  137. 87. Leela
    63 Palan: Thank you for your response. Pity you didn’t opined there on my reference to Buddhagosha’s writing
    “””

    Thanks
    We are only trying to put the history of our country staright and discussing Mahavamsa in that perspective.

    I have no intention to venture into Bhudaghosa or Tripitika (whether it is written in pali or Sinhala or pali words in Sinhala) which might hurt the true Budhhists’ feelings. If you think pali came after sinhala, fine but don’t forget sanskrit & pali are dead languages and tamil, one of the ancient languages, still survives.
    ——
    Needless for me to strive further for 82 Nightfox had answered almost all queries from your side far better than I would have done. So please read it at least where relevant.
    ””
    There is a saying you cannot straighten the tail of a dog, however hard or how long you try(whether it is Balangoda man’s dog or Adele’s puppy). Even ISS seemed tired now(happy to see him back).
    Pl see comments 29 & 33 below

    http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/344
    ____________
    106. Mahesh

    About the Mahinda Thero or the Sangamitta Theri there is nothing said by the edicts of the Ashoka to my best knowledge.
    ”””
    True, The Indian historical records do not say they are Asoka’s chikdren. According to one legend Sangamithai is Asoka’s neice.
    Though mahavamsa elaborates Sangamithai’s departure from India(Asoka was shaken by the daparture of the saplings-how did Mahanama know) and arrival in Lanka with some Pipal saplings(there was some problem in accomodating her as there were no bhikuni sangams), how Mahindan landed in the Mihintale hill is a mystery. He could be a Jain turned buddhist.
    In the island there was Samanam(Jainism) prior to Buddhism and though most of them converted to Mahayana(they could not go to the saivaite North) they could be traced to Abhayagiri, Mihintala and even Sigiriya, if a scientific research is done.

  138. #115 Gunapala,

    Please don’t parrot Tamil separatist propaganda. I suggest you conduct your own research to find out the facts rather than rattling nonsense.

    “When the Europeans were ruling the country, they treated both Sinhalese and Tamils equally. They did not colonize the Sinhalese in Tamil areas (they settled Indian Tamil labor in Tea and Rubber estates because the Sinhalese were lazy and even today it is the major economy), they did not bring ‘Sinhala Only, Buddhist only’ laws, they developed Jaffna almost similar to Colombo, they gave employment on merit basis, to put it in simple terms, the Sinhalese and Tamils were treated equally without any discrimination”

    What a load of BS and an insult to Sinhala people!!

    Can you tell us if Sinhalese were so lazy how Sri Lanka was known to the world as the ‘granery of the East’? or how Sinhalese faught and won over numerous batteles against South Indian invaders, Portugese and Dutch? How English could not conquer Kandian kingdom until an internal dispute between the king of Sinhale Sri Wickrema and his disawes?

    Please check the ethnic composition in the Ceylon civil service under British to understand who were favoured and who were not.

    I suggest you should apologise to the Sinhalase for your disparaging comments.

    I also suggest you to check the demographic composition of Sri Lanka prior to the advent of indentured labour for plantation activity to understand the enormity of the demographic disturbance that occured due to bringing Indian Tamil labourer to SL. It did not only changed the demographics of the country forever, Sinhalese lost their land to planataions through devious legislation which made them poor and destitute until to this day.

    Sri Lankan cake can be shared only with in Sri Lankan family. Not with Tamils with exclusivist mind sets who think thay can have an exclusive enclave for themselves while sharing the benefits in the rest of the country. This is the mind set that resulted the only ethnic cleansing occured in this country, that of the Northern province where all other ethnicities were either killed or chased away.

    So Gunapala you tell your freinds to either accept that this land is for all Sri Lankans (I mean every inch of it) or go and find another cake to share.

  139. Leela,
    SRILANKAN STATE IS A MYTH. Please un learn it and get enlighten with the truth.
    “ Imaginary Mahavamsa history. But we shall never let go oneness of our mythical country”. Leela it looks you are going to destroy the whole Island for the shake of your mythical lies of Mahavamsa reinterpreted by Anagarika Dharmapala the worst kind of racist lived in the Island of Ceylon. I can sense in your writings you sub conscious mind tells you the truth but your ergo prevents to accept the truth.

  140. Dear Sinhala Mahavamsa Buddhists,
    You have stolen Ilankai Tamil’s Religious teching a branch of Hindusim Real Buddha’s teachings. By the Mythical lies and its racist interpretation by A.Dharmapala and the so called Monks.

    Now with the advent information Technology your lies have started to get crumble even after you tried to destroy valuable evidence in the Jaffna library. And keeps on trying to alter the demography and destroying new evidence with the aid of your morally illegal Government.

    These deceptions will not stand the test of time.

    Please get enlightened and attain nibana asap.

  141. Mr.J.L.Devananda,First of all,Fridrich Max Muller The german philoligst,”NEVER HAD RACIAL MOTIVATIONS”!.He introduced a Research methodology called “comparative analysis(religion and linguistic)”Which has been used now also.He find language is the barrier between human and the beast.So there is a genetical definition for Language.But it should not be applied for “REGIONAL ACCENTS”.Then it will introduce “RACIAL DIFFERENCES(genetic)”!.That is what happened in “RUWANDA” between Tutsis and Hutus!.
    Mr.Anagarika Dharmapala may introduced Racism into Mahavamsa,with the same motivation of “LSSP SUPPORTED SINGHALA ONLY ACT”!.This should be researched in detail.
    The Sinhala Only bill was passed even when Section 29 was in force. If the TULF had joined hands with the LSSP to draft the Constitution, the Tamils would have been benefited a lot. As far as the economic and employment opportunities are concerned the minorities got the maximum benefits from the coalition of the SLFP, LSSP and CP.In 1956,Late S. J. V. Chelvanayagam accepted Sinhala Only when he had discussions with S. W. R. D. by supporting the Banda – Chelva Pact. The LSSP had to support the Sinhala Only Act.
    2.2. Sinhala Buddhist Nationalism:
    The most influential figure in this field was the great German indologist, Max Muller. According to Prof. Leslie Gunawardana, scholars in late 19th century Sri Lanka took up Max Muller’s theories and injected a RACIALIST content into Sinhala nationalist thinking. One such scholar was Anagarika Dharmapala (Aka Don David Hewavitarana).It is important to note that the Aryan theory was not merely something imposed from above by Orientalist ’scholars’. It was eagerly welcomed by most Sinhala scholars who found the Aryan theory flattering in that it elevated them to the ranks of the kinsmen of their rulers.
    4.2. Racial Factor:
    The fourth important step, Mahavamsa justifies (Non-Buddhist/Tamil killing) by attributing it to a [Buddhist] Arahant who equates the killing of sixty thousand Tamils by DutuGemunu to a mere one and a half human, indicating that it is no crime in killing thousands of Tamils.
    Just like the Mahavamasa written by a the poet monk Ven. Mahanama in 6th century AD who glorified the Theravada Buddhists, the Yarlpana Vaipava Malai is a book written by the Tamil poet Mayilvagana Pulavar in 1736 AD and he glorified the supremacy of the Tamil Hindu Vellalar. Like the Mahavamsa, it also contains folklore, legends and myths mixed with historical anecdotes, most of them cannot be proved.

  142. Yakkas and Nagas lived over 2500 years ago in Sri Lanka. Even if Yakkas and Nagas are Tamils as claimed by Tamils, Tamils now living in Sri Lanka don’t have a history over 500 years in Sri Lanka. When Yakkas and Nagas were in Sri Lanka, the ancestors of present Tamils were living in India. Are the Tamils seeking the blood relationship of 2500years ago to establish their ownership to a foreign country?The ancestors of the present Tamils were then foreigners to Sri Lanka. Naga/Yakka relationship to Tamils was there only 2500years, and it didn’t continue as there were no those tribes after that as they united to form the Sinhalese.

    Further, Yakkas and Nagas are more related to Sinhalese as they assimilated with migrant Aryans to form the Sinhala nation. Therefore, Yakkas and Naga connection gives more ownership to Sinhalese, even if claim of the Tamils is correct. However, race is not a basis for ownership of a country, but the ethnicity, the cultural factor. Australians claim their ownership to Australia on their cultural identity, ethnicity, otherwise Britishers also could claim it, if it is based on the race, as both of those nations are of the same race. If so Britishers also could claim the ownership of the USA and Canada. But we know that Americans and Canadians fought against Britishers, considering them as invaders and declared independence from the Britain, despite they were belonged to the same race.

    The racial connection of the people cannot claim the ownership of a country. Then how come a racial connection over 2500years ago has a claim?

    I don’t understand this “Undara Demala”, of a selfish racial group.

    We accept that Tamils as a ethnic group spread throughout the world that has no country of their own. However, its neither our responsibly to provide one to them. If they think they must have one, the most appropriate place without any doubt is Tamilnadu. They can claim the ownership for that land on all the basis they are arguing. All those arguments are valid for that land. Why don’t you try it?

    You are trying an easy goal, not the right goal. That is the reason, as I understand.

    Thanks!

  143. Ranjan Toronto,

    When I read one of your previous comments I thought you are a person with some common sense but I am wrong. Anyways, let me answer your childish or rather rhetorical question.

    If you had read the above article, the author has revealed a lot of facts about how the Tamils received English education. Since the Dutch and the British could not break the Vellalar Hindu domination and they could not do much of a conversion they let the Americans to land in Jaffna. The Americans did not go about converting them at once; they built well equipped schools and hospitals and then started converting them.
    The people received an English education and they were also hard working, and that is how they ended up in professional, civil services, and trade and the unfair distribution. It is not the fault of one ethnic group that was a minority in the country. We cannot blame them.

    What did our leaders do just after independence? Instead of putting up similar well equipped schools in all the other districts (at that time Sri Lanka was prosperous and we had enough of English educated Tamils/Sinhalese who could teach) which would have made the Sinhalese also to dominate the professional, civil services, and trade, they stopped the English educated Tamils by bringing the ‘Sinhala Only’ policy and later district basis (quota) depriving the qualified Jaffna students entering university.

    Is this all the fault of one ethnic group that was a minority in the country?

  144. Raj- I believe Sri Lanka Army is better than USA, Indian or any other ARMY. (According to what I see right now and how they treat to the capturing LTTE fighters)

    According to you what you didn’t see…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLknLhOYsU&feature=BF&list=PLB293FD3B035BA12F&index=7

    or(iginal)

    http://www.tamilcircle.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4693:2008-12-24-07-58-02&catid=277:2009

    http://www.channel4.com/news/sri-lanka-execution-video-new-war-crimes-claims

    or(iginal)

    http://www.tamilsforobama.com/video/New_Video/Srilanka_Genocide_of_Tamils_War_Crimes_Evidence.html

    Only God knowse howmany more we didn’t see without any witness…????

    140. svinson, Don’t you see these brothers and sisters?
    If so, you never allow your brother to SL army.

    if ‘Sinhala people nothing to do with the war. May be politico responsible but sinhala people are not responsible for the war’ Don’t you atleast voice for us?
    (Other than blowing the fire crakers)

    As 141. Chinthaka do you still think ‘there is no such need for a so-called political solution as long tamils can climb to any position in SL. or government to build infrastructure in North?

    Never until this army occuping tamil lands and they selfrule their homeland.

  145. #127 svinson

    My friend, not sure what to make of your comment? You do not need to speak english with a canadian accent to become Canadian at all. Not sure where you got that garbage from.

    In malaysia, the Malay’s have special rights as ‘Bumi Putra’. This is not welcomed at all by any of the other races. Malay’s can buy golf memberships at a discount, stocks at a discount, new houses at a discount etc. The malays that actually benefit from these policies are the rich malays that like mostly in the Capital. The poor village malays never get use these rights.

    Its not right and the reason its still there is because they can and they are a majority. The system has kept the Malays dormant, lazy and they actually treat the rest of the races as they do not belong. Is this what you want in Sri Lanka?? We all should be Sri Lankans without any ‘special respect’ to the majority or minority. The Sri Lankan Tamils have lived for hundreds of years in the island. Respect that.

  146. 142. Gunapala

    Did I blame one ethnic group for the preferential treatment that it received from the colonial powers?

    What I was trying to get at was that Tamils instead of trying to invent imaginary things like “Mahavansa mindset” for the ethnic divide should try to understand where the resentments actually arose.

    What you say is perfectly correct. the solution should have been, more opportunities, more jobs, more schools and universities so that all, irrespective of their language or race would have equal chances.

    Unfortunately, that was not the case. However, all that has been changed. There is no language based standardization for university entry (which by the way, did affect Sinhalese students of Colombo equally as it did affect the Tamils of Jaffna). The language of choice in the globalized world is English. Even if the government or anyone wanted a Sinhala first policy, that will not work in the current world. The bulk of the jobs in the country are in the private sector now and for those, there is no preference based on ethnicity.

    The fact of the matter is, before Prabaharan raised his head and completely destroyed your society economically and politically, Jaffna Tamils enjoyed a standard of living way beyond your cousins across the Palk Strait could not even dream of. You guys who are ready to claim discrimination for 63 years and even genocide by us Sinhalese at a drop of a hat. But you very conveniently ignore that for the first 30 years of the post -independence era of the country, there was a significant illegal migration of Tamils from India to Sri Lanka. Do you deny that? This must be the one and only case in the human history that people from an ethnic group left a country that was supposedly safe and had no discrimination towards them ( India) and illegally moved to a country (Lanka) where they would be facing eternal discrimination and heaven forbid, even genocide! Does not add up – don’t you think?

  147. 126. cebunka
    You don’t read between the lines do you.
    If someone is dropping names better do it in full swing.

    What about the 19th century travellers & writers
    Lord Valentia & Mr. Jounville who said there were no pure Sinhala kings in Sri Lanka.

    According to the opinions of the Singhalese, and from what appears in their writings, Singha Cumura, the founder of their dynasty, was the son of a Cholan, who married the daughter of a Pandian, whence the race of the sun and moon became happily united in the sovereignty of Ceylon.
    The Singhalese, though forming a distinct nation, and differing in their religion, language, and manners from the Tamuls, had no kings of their own caste, their sovereigns being always Tamuls, and according to Lord Valentia* and Mr. Joinville.f “a Singhalese cannot be king of Ceylon ; that is, every person born of a Singhalese father or mother is excluded from the throne.”

    * Lord Valentia’s Travels, vol. i, p. 279.
    t Asiatic Researches, vol. vii, p. 420.

    The Chacravattis, or kings of Jaffnapatam, were also Kattriyas, sprung from the stock of a Ch61an by a Brahmin woman from Manaway in Ramanadeporam, and thence they took upon them the ambiguous title of Aria vangsam, to signify both sides of their parentage; for the word arian is applied in Tamul equally as a title to the Brahmins as to the Chdlans.

    source:Transactions of the Ethonological Society of London,Volume 3
    Article by Simon Cassie Chitty Maniegar(Read, Nov.10, 1863)
    (an erudite scholar from Puttalam, Mudaliyar Simon Cassie Chitty (1807- 1860) was appointed to The Legislative Council on June 29, 1838, by James Mackenzie (1837-1841) the British governor to the vacancy upon the death of Arumuganathar Pillai Coomarasamy )

  148. 139.Thiru – “Nowhere in the world celebrate Genocide as nation history!”

    Please re-read my comment. I did not invite you to celebrate Genocide but simply the elimination of a megalomaniac terrorist whose organization has been proscribed in 32 countries including India, US, UK, Canada & European Union.

    “When real Indian army invader occuping srilankan soil who fought against foregin army? Our Mahinda Rajapakse from Hampanthotta or Velupillai Prabhakaran fromValvetithurai?”

    Really? Then what was he doing here then?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5f5lB5D2Uo

    It was YOUR President Ranasingha Premadasa who managed to send the Indian Army back to India.

    Poor Thiru!!

  149. DBSJ,

    We are exploring the origin of Sinhalese extensively. When you complete these series of articles, perhaps you could also do the same about the origin of Sri Lankan Tamils .Thanks.

  150. ####################################################
    Could someone clearly mention that what discriminations that the Tamil people are facing today different to the other ethnics in Sri Lanka. Some of the discriminations that Tamil leaders complaining are totally not true.
    ####################################################

    Example 1:
    You don’t allow Sinhala people to be settled down in Jaffna(or N & E). But at the same time Tamil people come to Colombo and be settled down in Colombo (Do u think this is fair). Today Majority of Colombo people are not sinhala but Tamil Speaking people.

    Therefore I would say Sinhala people are discriminated in Sri Lanka.

    Example 2:
    I saw in Canadian television that Tamil leaders are complaining that in sri lanka because of they are Tamil they have to get more marks than Sinhala Students to be selected for the Universities.

    This is 100% misleading.

    There is no any ethnic base to be selected 4 the university in Sri lanka, But only districts base. Tamils in the Middle of the country (Nuwara Eliya) are being selected to the Universities with lowers marks.

  151. 156. Liyanage – listen!

    “NEITHER OF YOUR MAHINDA RAJAPAKSE NOR RANASINGHA PERREMADASA FOUGHT ON THE FRONT LINE”

    YOU started with “Tamil invader – – -Velupillai Prabhakaran ”
    and now jumping on “megalomaniac terrorist ”

    In 32 countries including India, US, UK, Canada & European Union never proscribed ‘Tamils as invader’ like YOU rather demanding ‘independent international investigation’ now.

    “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter ” is common for any resistance movement” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_movement)

    If YOU simply don’t know please see 152. Santha Akka
    have they really eliminate VP ? or innocent Tamils??

    Thanks for your video – Listen his own voice to know what he was doing there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVZKvTpL7k8&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ZZ5x_SKeA&feature=related

    Your judgement based on your observation was wrong.
    Thiru – mean in tamil ‘Chelvam’ never been poor-Liyanage!!!

  152. Thanks for enlightening us that Dutugemnu was a Tamil. This absolutely is brilliant! It seems like Tamils have been killing Tamils since someone found that earth was round. We have seen this with Tamil Dutugemnu killing Tamil elara, Tamil Prabhakaran killing great Tamil leaders such as Thiruchekvam and Kadir. Tamil terrorists killing Tamil opposition leader Amirthalingam cold blooded during peace talks. Tamil terrorists recruiting baby brigades to send to war front to kill Tamil babies. Tamil terror leaders forcing innocent Tamil elders to take arms and die in the war. Tamil suicide bombers killing their own people in IDP camps when they were looking for food and shelter. This reminds me the python who started swallowing its own tail. Tamil Genocide? Matching statement. Amazing!

  153. If Yakkas and Nagas were Tamils, how come an entirely different language Sinhala, sprung from them? Sinhala language is an Indu-Aryan language, and Tamil belongs to the Dravidian group of languages.

    If as they claim if Yakkas and Nagas were Tamils how come the language of the composition of those tribes become a entirely different language from Tamil?

    All these theories are fabricated only to fulfill their greedy intentions. They can build up only fallacy ridden, contradicting theories this way.

    They will have to fabricate thousand lies to cover up one lie. But keep in mind you all can build up such mansions only in the sky. Reality is not a composition of just words. When it comes to face the reality, you will have to experience it with blood and sweat. Fabricated theories once experienced its reality in 2009. If you want to continue the same way fabricating false theories, you will have to expect to face the reality again in the future. Keep in mind, reality is a killer, not like easy gossiping.

    Thanks!

  154. # 151 Gunapala.

    Excellent comment.

    Instead of progressing further, our leaders ruined the proeperous Island from being # 2 in Asia in 1950’s to a third world country.

    We need a visionary leader to take us back to that prosperous and peaceful era.

    This country belongs to everyone born here!

    We need all the brain power to get back to where

  155. #150 Yapa

    You have become the Number One Joker/comedian in this blog. We can call you the Blog Jester. All your comments what you continue to harp are already dissected and nullified by the author in this article.

    I am sure you only read the titles of the article, if you read the articles you will become a little more educated and maybe we will lose the blog jester.

    Also, the best joke of yours is, right at the beginning you said lack of evidence cannot be assumed as proof but later, in all your comments you are talking about lack of evidence. One rule for Tamils and another for Sinhalese, Great!

    Let me give you some good advice, if you compile all your jokes and send it to Jathika Chinthana Pravahaya (http://jathikachinthana.blogspot.com/) instead of here, they will publish your jokes with nice pictures.

    Anyways, thanks for making our day by letting us roll on the floor and laugh out loud.

  156. 152 Santha Akka,

    As much as we see these videos perhaps you didnt see the carnage the LTTE let loose on helpless innocent villages for over 30 years.

    I dont see a point in ‘tit for tat’ or even justify the horror you see and the horror we see.

    What is important is at present there is peace and as long as you cry for ‘Lost rights’ which you cannot even put down on paper you will never see peace.

    Why dont you reply with a lost right – what the singhalese enjoy due to their ethnicity and the same that another cannot enjoy due to ethnicity.

    Lets start with that shall we?

  157. # 150 Yapa
    We accept that Tamils as a ethnic group spread throughout the world that has no country of their own. However, its neither our responsibly to provide one to them. If they think they must have one, the most appropriate place without any doubt is Tamilnadu. They can claim the ownership for that land on all the basis they are arguing. All those arguments are valid for that land. Why don’t you try it?
    You are trying an easy goal, not the right goal. That is the reason, as I understand.
    ———————————————————————-
    You are correct. After the UN humnitarian intervention the task is become so easy.actually this is time for peacefull metamorphosis. I wonder why some Ealam Tamils are tubelights.As tamilnadu people are somewhat living harmoneously with other states in secular India,naturally we tamils are cool about India. And even UN feel no urgency to use the right to protect protocol there in india. Gandi says “be change what you want to see in the world.”so this is the time for Ealam Tamils to change first ourselves.
    An Ealam citizen

  158. Yapa, Your are right

    “They will have to fabricate thousand lies to cover up one lie.”To hide the biggest lie Mahavamsa they are sayings thousand lies!!!!!!

  159. 158. svinson,
    You have a twisted mind and individual It not possible to have an intelectual discussion with people like you.!!!!!

  160. Dissimilarities between Dipavamsa (5th CAD) and Mahavamsa (6th CAD)

    The Mahavamsa author was a better creative artist/writer/poet and had better innovative imaginative power than the Dipavamsa author when it comes to creating stories. Below are some examples:

    According to the Dipavamsa, the three visits of the Buddha to the island were in the 1st, 5th and 8th year after Englightenment. The Mahavamsa refers to the visits by the respective months, i.e. on the Duruthu fullmoon day, Bak newmoon day and Vesak fullmoon day. The Dipavamsa does not make any specific reference to the ‘minipalanga’ mentioned in the Mahavamsa.

    The Mahavamsa says that the Buddha, during his third visit to the island, had visited nine places, i.e. “Kelaniya, Samanala-kanda (Sri Pada), Divaguhawa, Digha-vapiya, Maha Megha-vanaramaya, Sri Maha-bodhi Isthanaya, Swarnamali Chaitya Isthanaya, Thuparama Isthanaya, Sila chaitya Isthanaya.” Dipavamsa mentions the places as Kelaniya, Digha-vapiya, the place where the Bo-sapling was later planted within the Maha Mewna-uyana and the Megha-vanaramaya. It does not make any mention of the Buddha’s footmark atop the Sama-nalakanda. We cannot construe with assurance the reference to Maha Meghavana-ramaya, since it was a place later presented to Arahat Maha Mahinda, the great apostle of Buddhism, by king Devanampiyatissa (BC 247-207), after the demise of the Buddha in 543 BC.

    According to tradition, it was an Aryan who first came over and settled down in Sri Lanka. The circumstances, under which this first Aryan, prince Vijaya by name, happened to come to the island, are mentioned in the Mahavamsa. Aryan is a name given to a broad division of the human race who are supposed to have inhabited the vast stretch of country from Central Asia to Eastern Europe, and to have reached India about 3000 BC. (Today the Indian historians have rejected the Aryan migration theory as myth).

    According to the story in the Maha-vamsa, the country of Vanga was ruled by the king of Vangas, whose queen was the daughter of Kalingas, when a daughter was born to them, it was predicted that, when she comes of age, a lion would cohabit with her. Fearing what was foretold, she left the palace one day in disguise and joined a caravan going from Vanga to Magadha. As the caravan was going through a forest in Lala country, it was attacked by a lion, and took the princess away. With their union, she gave birth to twins whom were named Sinhabahu and Sinhasivali. (Ch. 6:8).

    The author of the Dipavamsa has, however, tried to be more factual in referring to the husband of the princess as a man named Sinha who was an outlaw that attacked caravans en route. In the meantime, Sinha-bahu and Sinhasivali, as king and queen of the kingdom of Lala, “gave birth to twin sons, sixteen times.” The eldest was Vijaya and the second was Sumitta. As Vijaya was of cruel and unseemly conduct, the enraged people requested the king to kill his son. But the king caused him and his seven hundred followers to leave the kingdom, and they landed in Sri Lanka, at a place called Tamba-panni, on the exact day when the Buddha passed into Maha Parinibbana in 543 BC.

    The Dipavamsa mentions that the children of king Pandu-vasa (BC 504-474) were Abhaya, Tissa, Uttiya, Asela, Vibha-taya, Rama, Siva, Matta, Mattakala and Ummadachitra. The Mahavamsa does not give weight to these names, as mentioned in the Dipavamsa. The children of king Mutasiva (BC 367-307), according to Mahavamsa, were Abhaya, tissa, Mahanaga, Uttiya, Mattabhaya, Mitta, Mahasiva, Suratissa, Asela and Kira. But, the name of his daughters are simialr in both chronicles.

    The union of prince Gamini and Umma-dachitra, the childhood days of prince Pandu-kabhaya, the building of the Mahamewna-uyana, the questions asked by the Arhat Maha Mahinda from king Devanampiya-tissa, the ordination of Anula and other women, etc., are not mentioned in the Dipavamsa, but the Mahavamsa describes them. The Pirivenas Kalapasada, Lohapasada, Suna-hatha, Dighachan-kamana, Phalagga and Therapassa, built by king Devanampiya-tissa, are not mentioned in the Dipavamsa, but the Mahavamsa makes mention of them to prove the spiritual zeal of the king.

    Sect Rivalry
    The Dipavamsa does not mention the cause for the separation of the Abhayagiriya fraternity from that of the Mahavihara, and the formation of the Dhammaruchi sect of the Mahayana tradition. As regards the schism and rivalry that prevailed between these two sects, and the mischievous activities of Sona and Mitta in planning the destruction of the Hinayana bhikkus of the Mahavihara, are not accounted therein.

    Although the Mahavamsa mentions the names of those who came to the island along with Arhat Maha Mahinda, it does not refer to those who came along with the Theri Sanghamitta carrying the Bo-sapling from India. Dipavamsa mentions them as Uttara, Hema, Masaragalla, Aggi-matta, Dasika, Pheggu, Pabbatamatta, Malla and Dhammadasi. Most of the bhikkunis who assisted Theri Sanghamitta in the propagation of the Dhamma and Vinaya are found in the Dipavamsa only. The planting in the soil of Sri Lanka the Bo-saplings of the three previous Buddhas is not mentioned in the Mahavamsa though Dipavamsa makes reference to them.

    The Mahavamsa covers ten chapters pertaining to the activities of king Dutugemunu and his religious zeal, but Dipavamsa does not contain more than ten stanzas and makes the story short. The Sirisanghabo story is well described in the Mahavamsa, but the Dipavamsa says that the king ruled for two years only. The arrival of the heretical bhikku Sanghamitta, during the reign of Gotabhaya (302-315), and the establishment of the ‘Vaitulya’ doctrine in the island is not mentioned in the Dipavamsa.

    The controversy that arose between the two Naga kings Mahodara and Chulodara, to possess the jewel-throne, and how the Buddha averted a serious offensive by reconciling the two contending factions, during his second visit to the island, is not clearly mentioned in the Dipavamsa, although Mahavamsa mentions about it (CH. 1:47).

  161. 159. Thiru Thambi – Listen very carefully!!

    “NEITHER OF YOUR MAHINDA RAJAPAKSE NOR RANASINGHA PERREMADASA FOUGHT ON THE FRONT LINE”

    Did Prabhakaran fight on the front line against Indian Army? Which battle did he fight? Had he fought on the front line against SL Army let alone Indian Army the war would have finished within 24 hours not 27 years. All he did was run away from the Army until he had no where to hide unlike Thileepan (whom I respect as a fighter) who bravely fought until the last minute.

    “In 32 countries including India, US, UK, Canada & European Union never proscribed ‘Tamils as invader’ like YOU rather demanding ‘independent international investigation’ now.”

    Please do not misinterpret what I’ve said. I have never said that those countries proscribed Tamils as Invaders. What I said was the LTTE in which Prabhakaran was the leader has been proscribed as a terrorist organization and that is a fact not a fiction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam#Proscription_as_a_terrorist_group

    “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter ” is common for any resistance movement”

    Tell me, which freedom fighter kills his own people. ( A T Duraiyappah, Dr Neelan Thiruchelvam, A Amirthalingam, V Yogeshwaran, Lakshman Kadirgamar, Jeyaraj Fernandopulle to name a few). But on a personal note, LTTE killed my only Tamil cousin in KKS simply because he chose to support a rival group. Which freedom fightger holds his own people as human shield to save his own skin? He is the worst coward of all as far as I am concerned and I will be celebrating his death every year on the day my cousin died.

    By the way, Katharagama Kapurala at least has common sense!!

  162. Sivanson,

    “Who are NAGA?

    I could not understand why writers try to tell that NAGA is Tamil. Even today there are 6 Tamil tribes are in Sri Lanka

    1. Jaffna Tamils
    2. Colombo Tamils
    3. Indian Tamils
    4. Atharapatha Tamils.
    5. Tamil Diaspora
    6. Tamil boat people.

    Now which Tamils are NAGA?”

    The above is in your twisted mindset mate Please unlearn and become a normal person.

  163. As far as the comments in this section are concerned,Yappa,Ranjan,Gunapala…ect were only stick to the “TWO EXTREAMS” of “Mahavamsa mind set” and “Yarlpana Vaipava Malai mind set”.
    There was oriental scolars researched languages and religions like Geiger,George W williams,R.B.Lewis,Max Müller,on comparative(genetic) linguisti methods.Sometimes they misinterpreted the word “VARUNA(colour?)” in Rigveda in racial terms as “ENEMYS(Dasyus,Dasa)”.So there was analysis based on the “COLOUR OF THE SKIN”.In Ramayana there was “SRILANKA” but there was no differenciate between “TAMIL and SINGHALESE”!.You people must understand,something should arose to counter this strategy.There are some vested interests both among Tamils and singhalese to benefit from this Quarrels.

  164. 165 – kanthasamy

    kanthasamy,

    I do not deny the fact that innocent civilians were killed during the war. But the issue is this, when LTTE sent the suicide bombers targeting the civilians in the south people like you conveniently made the observation as a freedom struggle justifying their killings. But when the SL Army counter attacked then you made a judgment call to describe it as genocide.

  165. 164. Dilshan F | February 6th, 2011 at 12:12 am,

    Child you don’t seem to understand because your mind is entrnched in mahavamsa mind set. We Tamils not just put our grievences in paper even had agreed and signed agreements few times with your so called Sinhala leaders but your Mahavamsa mind set Monks and some of your leaders did not allow your weak Sinhala rulers to implement them and torne the agreements. in addition your leders were playing cat and mous games with our lives for first 30 years after indipendence. Now after much destruction on both sides You child again instead of trying to un learn your mindset and learn from experience falling back to squair one.

  166. Sri Lanka Pays PR Firm Over Rs. 500 Million To Boost Post-War Image of Mahinda Rajapaksha.

    While Eastern people are drowning in floods.Idps starving under the trees and sun.

    Buddham saranam gacchami (to the Buddha for refuge I go) Dhammam saranam gacchami (to the Dharma for refuge I go) Sangham saranam gacchami (to the Sangha for refuge I go)

  167. BOGUS JAFFNA KINDOM

    The main source for this bogus ‘Kingdom’ is the Yalapana Vaipava Malai written in 1736 at the request of the Dutch governor. Dr. Pathmanathan says that this document is defective in Chronology and Genealogy eg No specific contributions any king is recorded in it. Of the ten kings who are said to have ruled till 1450, only 4 are known in sources other than in Yalpana Vaipava Malai but not as kings but as ‘Perumal’ or ‘Sub-Ordinates. This is clearly seen from the Medavala inscription dated 1359, which describes Martanda Mudalis’ of Jaffna as a ‘Perumal’ or ‘Sub-Ordinate’ ruler, while the Sinhala king at Gampola is described as ‘Vikramabahu Chakravarti Svamin’. Thus ”THE DE JURE RIGHT OF VIKRAMABAHU TO THE SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE WHOLE ISLAND IS RECOGNIZED BY THE TREATY”.

    Evidences

    Thus far the oldest Tamil inscription found in Jaffna, is in Nagadipa by the Sinhala king Parakramabahu Raja, regarding ship wrecks and taxes on Urathota(Kayts). According to Dr. Karthigesu Indrapala, the editor of this inscription and the Professor of History of the University of Jaffna, “the fact that this edict was issued not by any subordinate official, but by the king himself shows that the monarch was in supreme control of the northern most region of the island”.

    The most detailed account of Jaffna during the periods of 1505-1636 by all historians is considered to be the eye witness accounts by the Portuguese Franciscan Friar Fernao De Queyroz, whose English translation according to the British Civil Servant W.Codrington, is second only to the Mahawamsa in importance.

    List of the rulers according to certain Tamil historians.

    However, the available historic evidences are not supportive of the list of rulers. “Yapa Patuna”, or the “Port of Yapanaya” (Port of Jaffna) in the extreme north of the country had been recorded as a port used by the Sinhala kings for thousands of years to conduct business with the countries located north of Sri Lanka, along with the other two prominent ports, namely, Mathota (Mannar) in north-west and Gokanna (Trincomalee) in north-east.

    De Queyroz states that their are no populations in Jaffna and thus no agriculture, only a small population is found at Nallur. Until 1450, the Jaffna port area had been governed by the Vidanas and Mudalis (subordinate lower officers) of the Sinhala Kings. Some of these officers who later became powerful ignored the authority of Kotte Kingdom, and attempted to establish a separate rule over Jaffna. Subsequent to this unrest in the area, prince Sapumal, an adopted son and a general of King Parakramabahu VI of Kotte, conquered the entire Northern region in 1447-1450 and was later appointed by Kotte as the governor of the Jaffna region. Later, once Prince Sapumal ascended to the throne of Kotte as King Buvanekabahu VI, he appointed Arya Chkrawathi a nobleman of Gujarat origin as the ruler of Jaffna C1468-70.

    List of rulers from Portuguese records.

    Special notes

    * Rajavaliya states that King Sri Parakrama Bahu of Kotte (father to Prince Sapumal), had in fact ruled over seven villages called “Makudam Kotta” in Soli country (Tamil Nadu).

    * The Portuguese state quite clearly that Jaffna was under the rule of King Rajasinhe I – 1593.

    * Also it is of interest, that when Sankili and Portuguese signed a peace treaty, this was written in Portuguese and Sinhala. If Jaffna was in fact a Tamil Kingdom, then why write such an important document in Sinhala??

    * The Dutch National Archives, state that the boundary between their territory of Jaffna and the Sinhala kings, was Alimankada(Elephant Pass).

    * The most famous of all these so called Jaffna rulers, is considered as Sankili. The Portuguese, who gives the accurate historical account of this period, state that his wife was a Buddhist. Could she have been a Sinhala?

    * The emblem of the royal house of Jaffna was a lion, which is certainly not a Dravidian symbol but of an Aryan.

    * The so called flag of the Jaffna Kingdom(As seen here), is fake. This has been produced by taking the artwork as represented by a bronze seal found in Padaviya belonging to the Nanadesis Traders, who arrived via the Cola invasion. This seal of the 13th Century and inscribed in Sanskrit grantha, is the only one of its kind found in Lanka.

    The Bronze seal

    These traders not only stayed after the expulsion of the Cola but integrated to the Sinhala society and this shown by inscriptions Vijaya Bahu, Gajabau and Queen Lilavati. During Gajabhu time South Indian Mercenaries known as the Velakkaras who spoke Malayalam arrived, again it can be assumed as their is no record of women arriving, that these peoples integrated and had in many cases become Buddhist, as a Vihara was built by a Velakkaras Commander, during the reign Queen Lilavati and most importantly was even given the honor of protecting the Tooth Relic.

    Evidences-Cont…

    With the establishment of archeology in Ceylon in late 1880’s by H.C.P Bell, searching for lost cities and treasures of old began. It can be said that all parts of this isle have been scrutinized as much as Egypt or Greece. With more than 100years of archeology, yet NO proof of either a Tamil Kingdom nor the existence of Tamil populations in the North or East of Lanka, as envisaged by the Eelamists have been found.

    Historically speaking about Jaffna, it was at the ancient port of Jambukola, the present Sambiliturai, in the Jaffna peninsula that the envoys of King Devanampiya Tissa embarked/disembarked to and from Ceylon on their mission to the court of Asoka. It was also at this port that the Theri Sanghamitta and her retinue had disembarked when they came from India with a branch of the Bodhi tree at Buddhagaya during the reign of Devanampiya Tissa. The Theri and her retinue were received by Devanampiya Tissa, who had come to Jambukola from Anuradhapura. King Devanampiya Tissa built three Buddhist shrines, namely the
    Jambukola Vihara, the Tissamaha Vihara and the Pacina Vihara and planted a Bo sapling in the Jaffna peninsula. A gold plate inscription discovered at Vallipuram near point Pedro reveals that during the reign of Vasabha, Jaffna peninsula was governed by a minister of that king and that a Buddhist Vihara named Piyaguka Tissa had been built there by that Minister.

    According to the Mahavamsa, Kanittha Tissa(167-186AD) during his reign at Anuradhapura repaired the cetiyaghara of the Tissamaha Vihara in the Jaffna peninsula and king Voharaka Tissa (209-231AD) during his reign effected improvements to that Vihara. The Culavamsa records that king Aggabodhi II(571-604) built a Relic House and a dwelling place named Unhaloma for the monks of the Rajayatana Vihara in Nagadipa and granted a village there for the provision of rice gruel to the monks living there.

    Although, as said not even a single Tamil inscription belonging to any of those so-called Tamil rulers of Jaffna in and around the Jaffna District have been found, a few Sinhala, Tamil and Sanskrit inscriptions belonging to some Kings of Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa have been discovered from some sites in and around the Jaffna District indicating that the region was under their control and it was part of their kingdom as late as the 13th century. In addition to these two inscriptions found in the Jaffna District, two other Sinhala inscriptions of Dappula IV who ruled at Anuradhapura during the 10th century A.D. have come to light from that District; of these two, one was discovered at Kandarodai, the ancient Kadurugoda Vihara, a Buddhist
    Temple in Uduvil and the other at Tunukai in the D.R.O.s, division of Punakar. A few more inscriptions belonging to some Sinhala kings have also been found at various places around the District of Jaffna; we may mention among them, the Tiriyaya Sanskrit inscription of Aggabodhi VI(733-772), the Tiruketisvaram Pillar inscription of Sena II(853-887), the Mannar Kacceri pillar inscription of Kassapa IV (898-914), a tenth century slab inscription at Kurundanmalai near Mulaitivu dated in the reign of a Sinhala king named Abhasalamevan, the Palmottai slab inscription of Vijayabahu (1055-1110) and the Kantalai stone seat inscription of
    Nissankamalla (1187-1196).

  168. THE GENATIC TEST PROVED THAT SINHALA IS UNIC

    A large number of genetic studies has been carried out into the subject of genetic similarities and dissimilarities of Sinhalese and Tamils in Sri Lanka. A few older studies have shown a close affinity between the two groups of people and South Indians. However, many modern studies have shown the opposite. Obviously there have been interactions between these groups but that hasn’t eliminated the possibility of many dissimilarities.

    Latest and most comprehensive genetic studies have come up with remarkable findings. World’s most comprehensive genetic study findings were released in 2008 after decades of research. Based on these, maps have been drawn. The following map presented with credits to the owners (Martin Soave/University of Michigan), plots genetic similarities and dissimilarities of a part of the world.

    [A schematic of worldwide human genetic variation, with colors representing different genetic types. Illustration by Martin Soave/University of Michigan (http://ns.umich.edu/index.html?Releases/2008/Feb08/migrate)]

    The map was based on a pioneering scientific study. [Most Detailed Global Study of Genetic Variation Completed (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080220161704.htm)]

    Please follow the above links for the entire map of the Asia and Africa regions. A zoomed in map of the South Indian region has been provided from the map with credits to Martin Soave/University of Michigan.

    Zooming in on Sri Lanka reveals many interesting things. General rules of interpreting maps apply. Unless contagious, the same colour occurring in two widely distant locations should not be interpreted as a similarity because although there are thousands of genetic groups, less than fifty colours are used. The map is not to scale.

    Note further that the map is not a satellite image which means smaller ethnic groups within a larger area are not mapped. Only the most common genetic composition of people of an area is mapped. None of the researchers have any affiliation to Sri Lanka or Tamil groups and none of them are aware of political implications (if any) of their findings. It was done simply for the advancement of knowledge and it should be appreciated in that spirit.

    What is of interest is this does not surprise most Sri Lankans. Historical, archaeological, religious and traditional vast knowledge which is very well documented in Sri Lanka supports these findings and does not in any way contradict them. Further, most scientific findings and almost all recent scientific findings of genetic studies are consistent with this.

    Interpretation

    An interpretation is not needed as the map speaks for itself. Tamil majority areas in Sri Lanka, namely the northern province, parts of the Trincomalee and Batticaloa districts have two different genetic groups (coloured in blue and orange) while the rest of the island where the majority is Sinhala has a completely different genetic composition (coloured in light grey). Over 85% of the population in the areas coloured in blue and orange are Tamils (subject to the fact that the map is not to scale) according to the 1981 census which is the latest comprehensive census. Over 85% of the population in the light grey coloured area is Sinhalese according to the 1981 census.

    This clearly shows that Sinhalese and Tamils have a completely different genetic composition. To give an idea of how big and small this difference is, consider the genetic differences between a chimpanzee and a human. It is only 1% as they have 99% same DNA. However, among humans differences can be extrapolated with no reference to other species. Then the differences become contrasting. It proves that although all humans belong to one big human race (and all primates to one big family of primates), there still are distinct differences among humans.

    Another interesting find is that Tamils in northern and eastern parts of Sri Lanka are genetically the same (not just similar) to Tamils in Tamil Nadu, South India. This is a fact that has been vehemently denied by Tamil separatists. They always argued contrary to obvious facts that they are genetically distinct from Tamils in Tamil Nadu although they use the same language, customs, traditions and religious practices as Tamils in Tamil Nadu. These arguments fall into pieces with scientific discovery.

    When faced with genetic, linguistic, traditional, customary and religious sameness with Tamil Nadu Tamils, Lankan Tamils have used another argument which says Sinhalese and Tamils in Sri Lanka are genetically same. Once again this scientific finding disapproves that argument and establishes the fact that Tamils in Sri Lanka are not just similar but same as Tamil Nadu Tamils while Sinhalas are genetically unique and different in the region.

    It gets even more interesting to note that there are two genetic variations of Tamils in both Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. The orange coloured group of Tamils are in most parts of Tamil Nadu and most parts of Vanni, Trincomalee and Batticaloa districts. These areas are geographically closest to each other. It is absolutely no miracle. However, Jaffna has a unique Tamil group coloured in blue which is found directly north across the seas in Tamil Nadu which is the closest point to Jaffna. Even today the Jaffna Tamils consider themselves to be different to other Tamils! This remarkable scientific finding sheds light on the age old belief and confirms it. They are closely related to the same genetic pool in Tamil Nadu than to any Sri Lankan group.

    Another important find is the fact that Tamils in northern and eastern Sri Lanka could not have arrived in Sri Lanka a very long time ago. Had they arrived a very long time ago, they would have different genetic structures than that of closest areas across the seas in South India. Secondly, had Tamils in northern and eastern Sri Lanka arrived in the island a long time ago, they would be carrying a highly mixed genetic structure that is widely dissimilar to South India.

    This is not the case which proves beyond all doubt that Tamils in northern and eastern Sri Lanka are very recent (in human anthropological terms) arrivals than the rest of the population in the island. They are so recent that there was no time to interact very much not only with the people outside the north and the east but also with each other! Had the two distinct Tamil groups (blue and orange) interacted with each other substantially, their genetic structure would have been different to South India. Even that didn’t happen. Therefore claiming Tamil traditional homelands in Sri Lanka is absurd and unscientific.

    Even without these findings, linguistically, traditionally and historicaly perfect resemblance of Tamils in Sri Lanka and Tamils in South India establish the fact that the two groups have been recently separated.

    All in all this latest and most comprehensive scientific discovery confirms what most Sri Lankans already know with astonishing accuracy.

    Difference between Tamils Who Lived in Sri Lanka and Recent Tamil Migrants

    However there is evidence that Tamils lived in Sri Lanka as long as the Sinhalese. But they interacted and integrated within the Sinhala community. This fact is well recorded in highly sophisticated and very detailed historical accounts kept by the Sinhalas in thousands of stone inscriptions and many written records including but not limited to Sihalavattu Puranaya, Deepawamsa, Mahawamsa, Chulawamsa, Rajawaliya, Sinhala nam potha and other ancillary records. There is no historical account of ancient Tamils of Lanka demanding a separate area of the island or living separately from the Sinhalas. Only disputes among the Sinhalas and Tamils stemmed from Tamil invasions from South India. Even in these cases local Tamils teamed up with the Sinhalas within the Sinhala army. All Tamil invasions were ferociously and completely defeated by the Sinhala army.

    Tamils who lived in Sri Lanka in ancient times cannot be traced today distinct from the Sinhalas as they have integrated into the Sinhala community. Genetic studies have found significant yet not dominant Tamil genetic contribution to the Sinhala community.

    However, sadly, Tamils who show genetic similarity to Tamil Nadu than the rest of Sri Lanka have failed to integrate very well. They are the ones demanding a separate Tamil nation. They must follow their ancestors and integrate into the Sri Lankan, mainly Sinhala community for there to be lasting peace as in the past. There are no historical records of any clash or major disagreement between the Tamils who integrated with the Sinhalas and the rest of the Sinhalas. In fact there are historical records that positively prove there were no such clashes.

    Coastal areas of Sri Lanka fell into the control of the Portuguese some years after 1505 and then to the Dutch. They came to Asia in search of spices. Having conquered parts of Sri Lanka, they launched a massive drive to cultivate spices and tobacco. Hundreds of thousands of labourers with their families were brought from Tamil communities in Tamil Nadu, South India to the northern and eastern coastal parts of Sri Lanka. Jaffna tobacco was world renowned for its aroma and quality at that time. It shows the large extent of tobacco cultivation and how it dominated the northern parts of the island. It was a low populated area with a very harsh climate until the tobacco industry changed everything in the 17th century. This new found prosperity attracted hundreds of thousands more Tamils from Tamil Nadu, South India.

    In 1815 British took control of the entire island. Tea and cocoa production became main industries of the island. Hundreds and thousands of Tamil Nadu labourers and their families were brought by British labour contractors. In fact Sri Lanka is not the only country Tamil Nadu labourers were taken to. Many nations of the British empire including Malaysia (including modern day Singapore), South Africa, Fiji, islands of the West Indies, Nigeria, Seychelles and Burma faced the same fate. It artificially and mercilessly changed and destroyed not just the ethnic balance and harmony of these nations but also their eco systems. Sri Lanka being the closest to South India suffered most. During the 450 years of Portuguese, Dutch and British rule of coastal areas of Sri Lanka, there was absolutely no border control! Anyone and everyone could land in the island. This resulted in a humongous number of illegal immigrants into the island. Illegal colonization sponsored by the colonialists, aggravated the situation. Having taken these respectable humans around the world, the Dutch and British Empires deserted them when these colonial empires collapsed leaving them and natives struggling.

  169. This individual Devananda is a joke at best. Despite what he says at the end of his absolute ridiculous ramble , most of the article seems to be written with the sole idiotic purpose of trying to prove that Tamils were in Sri Lanka first and Sinhalese did not exist or are somehow descended from Tamils. Whilst being descended from Tamils is not in any way a bad thing, by twisting historical data from a variety of sources ( I intentionally refrain from using the word facts) he seems to be another person , like the so called Tamil Diaspora, living in a dream world that by thinking that such articles will forward their need of the hour.
    Fact is the Tamils lost badly. The LTTE (whatever its initial lofty goals were) are a terrorist organisation led by a bunch of self serving individuals now that thankfully the terrorist kingpin is dead.
    When you are the loser you need to learn to eat humble pie and frankly just shut up for a while and look at why one miserably failed. The same overseas terrorists involved in the LTTE,want to represent the Tamil Diaspora under different guises. Whilst Devananda puts a disclaimer at the end of his article ,his idiotic article paints the picture that he thinks idiotic historical misrepresentations will progress tamil rights.
    All this article does is reinforce my belief that the equally terrorist Rajapakse Regime ,has no alternative other than to not to give an inch to overseas diaspora until people like Devananda just frankly shut the ….up. Then again ,I am sure Devananda would wish people like me to do the same!

  170. Dear Mahavamsa mindset inhabitans of the Island of Srilanka

    Truth will prevail, Truth will win the test of time.It may take its time.now the truth has statred to come out It will not stop until truth and justice prevail.Justifying the injustice should stop. We know once the truth comes out your sand castle will crumble but don’t worry no one will grap your land except of course Chinees so don’t mortgage the Island to them. Only Tamils can help you to save your land fron the Chinees. You know the Poplation / land ratio of China.

  171. #142 Raj,

    There is a slightly different understanding in many of us which due to the ignorance of the minority prevented them from grasping or understanding. The biggest challenge we see in building a common destiny is how to penetrate the static wall built through years of propaganda in the minds of Tamils both native and diaspora and make them understand the ground realities which has occurred through a certain historical evolution.

    The defeat of the separatist project which used terrorism as it’s ultimate weapon against all the inhabitants of this country including their democratic leadership (according to TULF president Mr Anandasangaree, more Tamils were killed by the LTTE than the SL security forces) has now presented to the country a unique opportunity for a peaceful, democratic developmental path to the benefit of all.

    If Raj (& others of similar persuations) can open his/her mind a little bit, he/she would see the open and liberal evolutionary path of the majority Sinhala nation as opposed to the exclusivist path taken by the present day Northern Tamils (This distinction is very important as Tamil speaking Muslims, plantation Tamils and to a certain extent the Eastern Tamils have decisively moved away from the exclusivist and falsely superior mind set of the Northerners). The fact that the Sinhala nation evolved through the comming together of many tribes who inhabited this island makes Sinhalese more open minded which can be evidenced through many historical events. The fusion of those tribes meant that Sinhala nation absorbed many different beliefs, value systems and practices to it through it’s evolution. Such a fusion is not possible without a fundamental open mind set. That openness allowed the nation to take Buddhism on board when they saw a far superior phylosophy than the existent belief systems. The king’s acceptance of Buddhism was a major factor though I am not aware of any forced conversions. That open mind set also allowed the Sinhala Buddhists to bring Hindu gods in to their temples. It is that open mind set which allowed the Sinhalese much later in the history to accept princes of South Indian origin as kings of ‘Sinhale’ when the Sinhala royal lineage was brocken. The only additional condition though was that those kings of South Indian origin had to be protectors of Buddhism as demonstrated by their guardianship of the sacred tooth relic of Lord Buddha. Those kings clearly understood the primacy of Buddhism and it’s dominant role and they never attempted to break that strong link between the nation and it’s belief system. Some others try to explain this openness through the behaviour of island inhabitants as opposed to continental inhabitants.

    Raj & co travellers have a huge difficulty to understand or reconcile the dynamics of post independant conflicts with the pre colonial tolerant & open minded Sinhala Buddhist society. It is because thay are so blinded by their propaganda. if they were not blinded by their propaganda, they would have realised and accepted the effort of the nation to re-establish the primacy of Sinhala nation and Buddhism as those kings of South Indian origin understood, which the majority lost during centuries of Western colonial rule. The acceptance of the primacy of Sinhala nation and Buddhism has never made minority communities suffer in the pre colonial era. There is no historical evidence of systematic subjugation of minorities in pre colonial era.

    The colonial occupiers in order to break the resistence of the majority (particularly after 1818 and 1848 uprisings and Buddhist temples’ pivotal role in those uprisings) made series of changes to break the primacy of Sinhala nation and Buddhism. Through special privileges, they promoted their religion and beliefs. Through devious legislation they appropriated land from the inhabitants and gave it to their planters. When Sinhalese refused to work in those plantations, they brought indentured labour from India, permanently altering the demographic composition of the country. Consequently, the overwhelming majority of the majority, lost their livelyhoods, became utterly poor & destitute and became a third class community in their own country. If Raj can be little bit open minded, he/she would understand the enormity of this development on the psyche of the people. On the otherhand, the minorities who played along the rules of the colonialists ended up in dominating the colonial civil service and thereby became the second class (the Europeans always kept the first class status to themselves). It is here that the false superiority mind set has been developed among the minorities and the natural loss of such superiority post independance is the real catalyst together with the majority’s effort to re-establish the pre colonial status quo for the subsequent conflicts.

    Though the colonialists realised that permanent subjugation of a majority is not sustainable, the minority leadership never wanted to lose their privileged status built up during the colonial era. Ramanathan’s representations to Donoughmore Commission and his opposition to a democratic form of governance under universal adult franchise is one of the clearest indications of the minority’s reluctance to accept the inevitable change. It is here the false propaganda began which blinded the subsequent Northern Tamil generations. Reversal of privileges were described as loss of rights. Political formations were established to prevent further erosion of such privileges (ITAK in 1949). I hope Raj realises that these events took place much before the evnts Raj mentioned. Accordingly, the foundation of the so called resistence itself was false. However, this does not fully explain the exclusivist Tamil mind set that led them to ethically cleanse the North. This exclusivist mind set is a result of a deliberate attempt to distort and re-write the country’s history as Devananda tries here against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Devananda & the like need such fabrications, because without breaking the primacy of Sinhala nation and it’s strong linkage to Buddhism, the majority cannot be subjugated. However, what Raj doesn’t realises is the futility of attempting to break the will of the Sinhalese to survive and resurrect their rights which 450 year colonial subjugation could not break.

    In saying all of above, I do not deny the collosal mistakes made by the post independant leadership of the country in effectively managing the change and transition from a distorted colonial era of occupation towards a truely independant political, economic & social structure. This is a separate topic for further discussion.

    However, CRITICAL SELF EXAMINATION of the exclusivist, and separatist mind set of Northern Tamils which propels them to live in falsehoods which Devananda & the like tries to propagate constantly is a must for a genuine partnership for a common destiny.

  172. Let’s face the fact:

    Sri Lanka is overly populated country with lack of resources.

    Next couple of centuries, considerable portion of the land would be even gone under sea.

    Sinhalese and Tamils are two different but parallel societies.

  173. Dear Sinhalayo,Mahavansa mindset or not,

    When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world. I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation. When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family. Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world

  174. 164. Dilshan F  |  February 6th, 2011 at 12:12 am,

    Did not your father,grand father,and even you or your cousins have not seen live events in 1958,1961,1977,1981,1983, what happened to my and LTTErs fathers,grand fathers, uncles,aunts, and cousins, In the name of your mythical mind set. We need not show you any videos you have see it.Even now you don’t want to change your mindset that was/ is and will be the ruined/ruin of this “Triple blessed” blood soaked island”. Don’t keep on sleep walking just look around what is happning now in The Island.

  175. 164. Dilshan F  |  February 6th, 2011 at 12:12 am,

    Did not your father,grand father,and even you or your cousins have not seen live events in 1958,1961,1977,1981,1983, what happened to my and LTTErs fathers,grand fathers, uncles,aunts, and cousins, In the name of your mythical mind set. We need not show you any videos you have see it.Even now you don’t want to change your mindset that was/ is and will be the ruined/ruin of this “Triple blessed” blood soaked island”. Don’t keep on sleep walking just look around what is happning now in The Island.

    – for every outside there is an inside,
    and for every inside there is an outside,
    and though they are different, they go together.-
    You do not find one without the other.

    Please remember.

    -Every action have and equal and opposit reaction- That is in motion. But in social science action and reaction may end up in cycle of disaster. This is current expericence.

    It is time to break(unlearn) the catalist to the cycle The Mindset. That is the essence of JLDs

  176. 164. Dilshan F  |  February 6th, 2011 at 12:12 am,

    “.What is important is at present there is peace and as long as you cry for ‘Lost rights’ which you cannot even put down on paper you will never see peace.”

    Absence of war is not peace mate.Abscence of Sinhala death is not peace still Tamils are dying ,suffering,starving,languising in detention without trial,drowning, b’cause of Sinhala Mahavamsa created mythical mindset which and you are asking us to beg for food /or the right to live,do you need some slaves. Why I as a Tamil should not ask for my birth right to live free in my land of birth???.

    Why can’t I converse with my family in my mother tongh, why can’t I conduct my transection in the bank/court /post office/Kachcheri/police station in my mother tongh without harrasment.??? do you want us to forfit to get good. Why not I canot be policed by Tamil speaking police.Why can’t I get communications from the Government in my mother tong??.Why there are 99.9% of Sinhala army occupying my land and harrising and killing and raping our women???.Is that peace for you mate? Why is the delay in devolving political power to Tamils we hve been promised umpteen times since 1948 but the countrart happned and centralised the power.

    Now you have even gone further and telling us that we should not ask for our rights. Have you thought about it what we will fell about it before wrighting mate.

    Common man/little man
    . I contend to be a fighter for pureness and truth. I hesitate, because I am afraid of you and your attitude towards truth… My intellect tells me: ‘Tell the truth at any cost.’ The Little Man in me says: ‘It is stupid to expose oneself to the little man, to put oneself at his mercy. The Little Man does not want to hear the truth about himself. He does not want the great responsibility which is his. He wants to remain a Little Man….

    That you cannot love your neighbour, unless you love yourself; that you cannot understand your neighbour unless you understand yourself; that there can be no knowledge of the ‘invisible person’ who is your neighbour except on the basis of self knowledge – these fundamental truths have been forgotten even by many of the professionals in the established religions.

    I tell you: Only you yourself can be your liberator!

  177. 156. Liyanage  |  February 5th, 2011 at 4:55 pm,

    Justlike what your Mahinda R did in China and india few times when he visited their except of course personal shopping for his wifes wardrope Man. Certnley not what Mahinda tried to do in London.If you need to see with your own eye go to Utube or c4 news archives.

  178. 5.7. Tracing the Tamil Ancestry
    “Mr. Bandu De Silva goes on to say, the Tamils do not have a continuous history going back to a date beyond the seventeenth century.”

    FYI

    Other than Elera,Senan,Kutthikan (Earlier Dhiravida archilogical evidence prove it could be many Tamil Chiefs might exist before and later of theEelathu Putha Thevanar Time -but unfortunately not recorded-only rely on more archilogical research and carbon dating )

    Here is some other recorded TAMIL KINGS continuous history before 17th century.

    source :Yarlpana Vaipava Malai and Kailaya Malai.

    1. Kalingaman alias Koolangai Singai Aryan alias Kalinga Vijeyabahu (1200 to 1240)

    2. Kulasegara Pararajasegaram (1240 to 1256)

    3. Kulothungan (1256 to 1279)

    4. Vikramnan (1279 to 1302)

    5. Varothayan (1371 to 1380)

    6. Marthanda Perumalan (1325 to 1348)

    7. Kunapooshanan (1348 to 1371)

    8. Virothayan (1371 to 1380)

    9. Jeyaveeran (1380 to 1410)

    10. Kunaveeran (1410 to 1446)

    11. Kanagasooriyan (1446 to 1450). From 1450 to 1467 Jaffna Kingdom came under the rule of Kotte kingdom. Troops which came under the command of Chenpagap Perumal captured Jaffna. Later he become King of Kotte under the name of King Bhuvanekabahu (VI). Kanagasooriyan fled to Tamilnadu and came back with an army and re-captured the Kingdom and again ruled from 1467 to 1478.

    12. Pararajasegaran (1478 to 1519)

    13. Sankili Segarajasegaran (1519 to 1561). He was born to the third wife of Pararajasegaran.

    14. Pararasa Pandaram, Pararasasekaran (1561 to 1565). he is son of Sankili.

    15. Kurunchi Nainar (1565 to 1570)

    16. Periapillai Sekarasa Sekaran (1570 to 1582)

    17. Puvirasa Pandaram II (1582 to 1591)

    18. Ethirmanna Singa Pararasasekaran (1591 to 1615).

    19. Sankili Kumaran (1615 to 1619).

    20. Last Vanni king – Kulasekaram Vairamuthu Pandaravanniyan who chalange the British rule and defeated 1806 August 25 th by col.drieberg in historic battle of Katchilaimadu.

  179. 145. Hela  |  February 5th, 2011 at 4:26 am

     Hela ,don’t talk rubbish you have shown to the whole world by your blog by parroting the likes of Cyril Mathews and thug Mervyn Silva like politicians racist talk on election platforms your racist and ignorant mindset. These rubbish can’t be digested where intellectually discussing historical evidence, and analysis of facts.

  180. J.L. Devananda has to make up his mind whether to argue with statements contained in Mahawamsa or claim everything in it to be false. For an example he states:

    “Mahavamsa has written 11 chapters to praise the Buddhist King DutuGemunu, but unfortunately not a single word ‘Sinhala/Hela’ was found where as his Naga ancestral relationship is very clearly given. ”

    Now if he had read the chronicle he so despises, he would have come across the following paragraph which clearly states why Vijaya and his followers came to be called Sihala:

    “When those who were commanded by Vijaya landed from thier ship, they sat down wearied, resting their hands upon the ground – and since their hands were reddened by touching the dust of the red earth that region and also the island were (named) Tambapanni. But the king Sinhabahu, since he had slain the lion (was called) Sihala and, by reason of the ties between him and them, all those (followers of Vijaya) were also (called) Sihala.”

    Now all that is left is to trace King DutuGemunu’s ancestry back to Vijaya and you can cleary establish his Sinhala ancestry. King Summita in Sihapura was Vijaya’s brother. His son is Panduvasudeva (Vijaya’s nephew and 2nd king of Lanka). King Panduvasudeva’s youngest daughter was the mother of King Pandukabhaya. King Pandukabhaya’s son was King Mutasiva. Devanampiya Tissa was the second son of Mutasiva, next king of Lanka. Mahanaga was the brother of King Devanam Piyatissa. Mahanaga was second in line to the throne. One of the wives of King Devanam Piyatissa, decided to kill Mahanaga in order to get the crown to her son. Mahanaga fled to Rohana and founded a new kingdom there. After Mahanaga, his son Yatthalayaka Tissa became the King of Rohana. After Yatthlayaka Tissa, his son Abhaya became the ruler of Rohana. After Abhaya, his son KakaVanna Tissa became the ruler of Rohana. The son of King KakaVanna Tissa is none other King Abaya Gamini also known as DutuGemunu. So as it is stated in Mahavamsa as clearly as possible that king Vijaya was Sinhala, King Abaya Gamini with a direct lineage to Vijaya is quite clearly Sinhala as well.

    Cheers!

  181. 164. Dilshan F
    There is no peace for Tamils until SL army Occupation Order exist in Tamil homeland. As a human I condemn
    any crime against Humanity by GOSL , LTTE ,Para Military or whoever.

    You can’t justify or hide your crimes by saying LTTE. It is shame for the whole nation. Real democratic country army shouldn’t behave like this.

    Same approach whenever any one speak about Tamils rights , GOSL and other associate hardliners say LTTE propaganda , white tiger or Tiger front organisations without thinking any , like you branding -we cry for ‘Lost rights’

    You never listen or never let them speak. Freedom of speach and exercising the democratic rights is the basic humanrights. After Sinhala Law making Machine turn against Tamils, since 1958 violent srarted against Lankan Tamils at ‘Gale face’ Sathiyakiraka ‘ and still continueing in differnt forms. They are still in fear of state terrorism which is not defeted yet.

    They even fedup with SL democraic system after they vote for VKR 1977, nothing happened. still even nearly after 2 years of the war no congrete steps taken towards to permanant federal solution.

    SL judicial system never punished single sinhala citizen for crime against tamils.But put thousands of innocent tamils in the jail and toture and killed under SL law.

    If every Tamils put down their lost rights on the paper,
    paper won’t be enough.

    We need our own Law making authority in North East province to maintain our rights and share the power with you due to protect ourself from any discrimination by your ethnicity.

    Without delaying we need to achive this other wise history repeat itself for separate state as only one option.

    I belive you have your government for your rights which we don’t have. If you don’t belive then don’t chose this kind of goverment’s and join with us to restore the democracy first in srilanka then we can share the power for bright future.

    Lets start with that ,shall we?

  182. 134. yapa  |  February 4th, 2011 at 8:45 pm,

    Don’t talk twisted facts with a twisted mind of your Mahavamsa garbage.

    We Tamils have never claimed the whole Srilankan Island as ours .It is Your learned fore fathers knew the real facts in the history of the Island and felt insecure and decided to grap the whole Island as their’s and A Dharmapala has again Twised the myth in the Mahavamsa in a racist+relious tone and brainwashed the likes of you from an early age and that has let to this state of affair in this blood soaked Mythical”triple Blessed”Island.You call as Srilanka.

    We Tamils only asked to live freely in our part of the home lands without any harrasment and mind our own affairs with friendly relations with the neighbours (Sinhala with or without any mindset). Your ilk were greedy to have the whole island as yours and started to not only harras usrepeatedly killed,raped,burned alive us and our properties repedly,discriminated, changed the constitution ,name and flag of the country without our consent.

    Was it right if not what did you or your elders do to counter? Instead of develpoing your part of the land you complained the the colonial rulers favoured us and you decided to destroy us.
    Was this sensible to your twisted mind?When colonial powes were unable to convert us to their religion and also the climate did not favour easy cultivation the American missionary developed,hospitals and English schools and educated the Tamils during that time before converting then to their religion your fore fathers in the rural south were not interested in the education and were contented with the cultivation.

    Of couse Colombo was the Capital the did start good schools if not for the natives but for the benifit of their off springs. The Mahavamsa mind set was entrenchd in to the mind of your Ilk You did not think of developing your rural area and improve their education decided to Discriminate Tamils by Sinhala onlt wirh in 24 hours. And you all fee proud of it even now???

  183. 130. Ranjan, Toronto  |  February 4th, 2011 at 7:47 pm115. Gunapala If I put in simple terms, it is better to own a slice of the political or economic cake which grows healthily than to own the whole of the cake that shrinks and disappears. That is, the races share political power and strive to redistribute wealth from the growing economic cake so as to ensure that every race has a fair share.———————————————————————–So to ask you are rhetorical question, based on the above argument, would you agree that the situation that Ceylon found herself in at the end of the Colonial period, when most of the professional, civil services, and trade were dominated by one ethnic group that was a minority in the country would be perceived by the rest of the population as very unfair distribution?

    Ranjan Toronto,
    130. Ranjan, Toronto | February 4th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    115. Gunapala

    If I put in simple terms, it is better to own a slice of the political or economic cake which grows healthily than to own the whole of the cake that shrinks and disappears. That is, the races share political power and strive to redistribute wealth from the growing economic cake so as to ensure that every race has a fair share.

    ———————————————————————–

    So to ask you are rhetorical question, based on the above argument, would you agree that the situation that Ceylon found herself in at the end of the Colonial period, when most of the professional, civil services, and trade were dominated by one ethnic group that was a minority in the country would be perceived by the rest of the population as very unfair distribution?

    Did it not occured to your Mahavamsa mindset at the end of the colonial periord or begining of your Sinhala dominated rulers instead of developing the rural Sinhala citizen’s education and improve the repesentation in the Professional and civil service representation rather then Destroy all the educational facilities of the minrity community??? Which destroyed the whole country and what is Funny is your are still defending it after living in Toronto for some years.

    Ranjan if the cake is unevenly iced it is better to put more icing on the deficent area rather than remove the icing from the whole cake..As at the end of the colonial rule you had the icing sugar and the nosil. It is that simple to understand mate.

  184. 161. yapa -Fabricated theories of Sinhala and Buddhism only by your government experienced 30 Years of civil war .

    Is this easy gossiping?or un-learning your wrong theorise?

    160. Sam Lank – Don’t you have literacy to read the article and understand the points?

    Didn’t any Sinhala king killed another Sinhala king from your knoweledge?

    “Vijaya was of evil conduct and his followers were even (like himself), and many intolerable deeds of violence were done by them. Angered by this the people told the matter to the king; the king, speaking persuasively to them, severely blamed. his son. But all fell out again as before, the second and yet the third time; and the angered people said to the king: `Kill the son.’
    The king cause Vijaya and his followers, seven hundred men, to be shaven over half the head and put them on a ship and sent them forth upon the sea” -Mahavamsa(http://www.vipassana.com/resources/mahavamsa/mhv06.php)

    Kasyapa who build the Sigiriya murdered his own father by walling him alive and then usurping the throne which rightfully belonged to his brother Mogallana.(What a history you have 2500 years?)

    26 September 1959 SWRDBandaranaike shot by Buddhist Monk Talduwe Somarama.

    1987-89 R.Piremadasa killed around 50,000 Sinhalese to eliminate JVP

    Sinhalese killed Peacebroker(Wijayakumaranathunga) Journalist (Lasantha Wikramathunka),bombed hospitals,Schools,Religous place and killed Women,Childrens,Preist,babies and elderly.

    Sinhalese killed Sinhales .Dog eat Dog.

    What a matching statement? No Amazing for killing of Tamils!

  185. # 194 N. Gunaratnam

    You are absolutely spot on. Could not have said it any better.

    #130. Ranjan, Toronto
    ********The fact of the matter is, before Prabaharan raised his head and completely destroyed your society economically and politically, Jaffna Tamils enjoyed a standard of living way beyond your cousins across the Palk Strait could not even dream of. You guys who are ready to claim discrimination for 63 years and even genocide by us Sinhalese at a drop of a hat. *******

    I cannot understand why you are comparing the people of Sri Lanka with the people of India. I was not talking about the Tamils and Bengalis of India, I was talking about the Tamils and Sinhalese of Sri Lanka.
    Of course, the Sinhalese enjoyed a standard of living way beyond their cousins in Bengal/Bangladesh could not even dream of and the Sri Lankan Tamils enjoyed a standard of living way beyond their cousins across the Palk Strait could not even dream of, so what is your point?

    *******But you very conveniently ignore that for the first 30 years of the post -independence era of the country, there was a significant illegal migration of Tamils from India to Sri Lanka. Do you deny that? This must be the one and only case in the human history that people from an ethnic group left a country that was supposedly safe and had no discrimination towards them ( India) and illegally moved to a country (Lanka) where they would be facing eternal discrimination and heaven forbid, even genocide! Does not add up – don’t you think?*********

    What a stupid statement. Now you are proving your stupidity beyond any doubt.
    “A first 30 years of the post -independence was a significant illegal migration of Tamils from India to Sri Lanka.”
    Where did they land and who gave them citizenship in Sri Lanka? Of course there were a few illegal migration from Tamil Nadu and do you know who was deadly against them and who opposed them?
    It was the Sri Lankan Tamils who opposed them, they did not let them stay in North East, they all ended up in Colombo. The Sri Lankan Tamils even called them KallaThoni. Do you know that the word ‘Kallathoni’ is a Tamil word meaning ‘Illegal Migrant’ or ‘People who came secretly’? It is the Sri Lankan Tamils who used that word and not the Sinhalese? The government used to nab them and most of them were sent back to India in the ferry that was operating from Thali Mannar to Rameshwaram.

    Do not utter nonsense if you do not know the facts.

    Hela
    I usually do not respond to chauvinists whether they are Sinhalese or Tamils, so, if I do not respond, assume that you are being ignored.

  186. 175, N Gunaratnam. since you have replied a thousand times let me answer you one by one.
    Your response 175.
    Instead of answering my question Name one right that Sinhalese enjoy due to ethnicity that others dont due to their ethnicity you rave and rant on ‘Mahavamsa Mindset’.
    Most of the people I know dont care two hoots about the Mahavamsa or any vamsa. UNlike you we live in the present.

    Your response 175.
    You are a bit of a fraud arn’t you. Stealing another persons quote is not done neither here nor anywhere. If you are unable to credit another person how true are you in real life? Your response in 175 is not yours but made by an unknown monk in 1100 AD.

    Your response 184,185,186,187,188,

    Your barrage about the ‘Mahavamsa Mindset’ has been answered above.

    You are living in the past. Sri Lanka has 3 languages recognized. As much as you have the right to speak in Tamil others have the right to reply in English or Sinhalese as they wish.

    Its not ‘your land, Its my land as well as the land that belongs to ALL Sri Lankans, As long as you call it your land you WILL live this nightmare. Spread more lies and make believe as someone said in another response that SLA is Mowing down innocent tamils.

    Considering the Past I dont believe in any more devolution of power to people of your nature. Since independence this story is one of lies more lies and you actually now believe it. The peace we have now is worth more than anything else.

    In the end its all about power greed and selfishness.

  187. Rajithan, N.Gunaratnam;

    I have posed very specific questions to you all, why don’t you answer them and going round the bush? You have no answers for them.

    Can you answer this?

    http://groundviews.org/2011/01/11/political-opposition-in-a-nihilistic-sinhala-society-responses-and-clarifications/comment-page-1/#comment-27152

    Please be specific when answering my questions, I don’t like going round the world, rather I would like be like Lord Ganesh, to go round the mother(land).

    Thanks!

  188. 194. N.Gunaratnam

    Is your attention span so short that you only read the first paragraph that I wrote?

    Reading the posts by various Tamil commenters, it appears to me that it is them who appears to be completely brainwashed by a “Mahawansa mindset”.

  189. 177. WATHASALA

    You won the Buddhist monk Mahathera Mahanama who wrote the Mahavamsa , in manipulation skills!

    Urathota(Kayts) – Original Name Urkavalthurai !
    Yapa Patuna – Original Name YarlPanam !
    Mathota (Mannar) -Original Name Manthai,Mathoddam!
    Gokanna (Trincomalee) -Original Name Thirukonamalai

    All ancient Tamil cities some already connection with Ramayana period! and Nayanmar Kalam! That time Sinhalese even not come jaffna to buy Tobacco or any business in Lanka according to porthukese record(?)

    Iravanan- Diravidiyan and Siva descent “Manthiramavathu Neru…Iravanan Melathu Neru” – Thiruganasampanthar (Not TNA Sampanthar)
    “Kona ma mali Amarnththare”-Thevaram -Period A.D.641 – 657

    BOGUS JAFFNA KINDOM? read 189. Pong-Ping
    You mentioned prince Sapumal, an adopted son and a general of King Parakramabahu VI of Kotte, conquered the entire Northern region in 1447-1450 and was later appointed by Kotte as the governor of the Jaffna region. Later, once Prince Sapumal ascended to the throne of Kotte as King Buvanekabahu VI – isn’t he Tamil? His original name – Senpaka perumal- Didn’t you hide this,
    BOGUS SINHALA PRETENDER?

    THE GENATIC TEST PROVED THAT SINHALA IS UNIC CHIMPANZEE ?

    You further say “However, sadly, Tamils who show genetic similarity to Tamil Nadu than the rest of Sri Lanka have failed to integrate very well. They are the ones demanding a separate Tamil nation. They must follow their ancestors and integrate into the Sri Lankan.”

    Why don’t you follow your ancestor Sinhala Wijaya to go another Island and leave Lanka in Peace? or waiting for international community send you to ‘Mars’ by space boats?

  190. 198. yapa

    We do not have to answer to all your jokes because the two articles written by Devananda gives very clear answers to all your stupid questions.

    What you do is first read the two articles without wasting your time in writing rubbish and asking for answers. The answers are already their (VERY CLEARLY) in the two articles. Please do not expect others to read them and give you the reply, you read them and understand.

  191. 191. Konnapu Bandara

    Read the articles without uttering rubbish. They say do not trust a book by its cover.

    Most of the people who are making long comments here have only read the title.

    Konnapu, if you had read the articles you would have never written all these rubbish.

  192. # 152 Santha Akka

    “Never until this army occuping tamil lands and they selfrule their homeland”

    It is sad to see you are still dwelling on LTTE idelogies. You are well aware there is no chance for LTTE demands to be met in Sri Lanka when you clearly saw a war done in the name metal and blood to aviod they been granted.

    Tamils had injustices in the past and they are to be resolved without looking at other extreme that LTTE fell into. LTTE’s extremist vision of the tamil problem saw tamil people losing even the somewhat decent status they had before thanks to the war. Army is yours and ours and it is SL Army, so they can be anywhere where the unrest still prevails.

    Once the infrastruture is built and tamils can economically flourish. They will also have deligated powers due to the majority population they have in N/E under the powers distributed to any other region in SL. Other than that if you think about any additional powers that other regional councils in SL do not entertain, then you’re still living the LTTE dream.

    But the solution to the problem is establishing what you should have had before the war, not what LTTE came up with out of aggression. It is not practical at all and that’s why LTTE failed miserably. Therefore please do not poison anymore tamils with the kind of extremist views that you may have that can only bring destruction to the island nation, specially to your tamil race like it did for the past 30 yrs.

  193. 201. Ajithan;

    I think it is easier to avoid questions, giving false excuses rather than answering them.

    False theories cannot answer queries. That is the true reason, sin’t it?

    Thanks!

  194. Until I read this article i did not know that the Mahavamsa has given legitimate right for the Sinhalese to kill Tamils.

    60 thousand Tamils = one and a half human?

    How come an Arahant who is just next to Buddha say such a thing?

    This is a disgrace to the enlightened Buddha, how can a Theravada buddhist Bikku write such a thing?

    Can someone confirm the truth in this? If it is true, it is a shame for us Buddhists. We should reject this stupid book called Mahavamsa, it is making a mockery on Buddhism.

  195. All the Sinhalese, the educated, uneducated, racist and non racist have one thing in common that is the Mahavamsa mindset. They think Sri Lanka belongs to the Sinhalese only and Tamils are from the other side of the sea. With that racist mindset, they want the Tamils to accept the Sinhala hegemony and settle for what the Sinhalese are willing to give to them and nothing more.

    The Sinhalese like Ranjan Toronto types, who want to pretend that they are moderate and not so racist like other Sinhalese, also use and unwittingly show the Mahavamsa fed anti Tamil racism time to time.

    The fact that the upcountry Tamils have been granted citizenship as an example of co-operating with the Sinhalese is neither an example for national unity nor the magnanimity of the Sinhala people. The cunning Sinhala leader, JR, did not want two armed rebellions in the North East and in the Sinhala heart land simultaneously. That is the only reason he decided to give citizenship rights to Tamils after oppressing the upcountry Tamils for decades.

  196. N.Gunaratnam,

    “We Tamils only asked to live freely in our part of the home lands without ………………..”

    That is actually is the problem. Where do you have your part of the homeland? That we really did not know?

    However, please read my earlier post about your “innocent homeland” and tell me really and when are you going to live peacefully, without troubling us .

    Thanks!

  197. Over the years, Sinhala Buddhist nationalistic politicians and closely linked Buddhist clergy have been successful in implanting the belief that the Sinhala Buddhists are the chosen people and the real custodians of Sri Lanka and of Theravada Buddhism. This, many Sinhala Buddhists believe, is their birth right by virtue of the origin of their ethnicity as depicted by the Mahavamsa. According to many Sinhala speaking Buddhists, their birthright to the custodianship of the island and Buddhism is sacred and unquestionably legitimized for eternity by the Mahavamsa.

    The Sinhala Buddhist mindset has been nurtured in isolation, far away from the scientific historical facts. The mythical stories of the Mahavamsa have implanted in a large portion of the Sinhala Buddhist population a strong, deeply rooted and unreserved belief in their origin exactly as it is depicted in the chronicle.

    Casting doubts on the mythological stories narrated in the Mahavamsa is condemned as an act of treason. The Sinhala Buddhist nationalistic argument of the custodianship is simple: If you are a Sinhala speaking Sri Lankan, you either have to believe in the mythical Lion ancestry -your blood relation to a lion as depicted in the Mahavamsa – or consider yourself a traitor or an outcast.

    With the spread of the Sinhala translation came a dangerous escalation of the Sinhala nationalistic fervor that was built on the blind belief in the legendary mythical accounts and narrations about the heroes and kings in ancient Sri Lanka. This lead to the strong feelings of nationalism that is still widely prevalent among the misinformed Sinhala Buddhists, who genuinely BELIEVE that the only TRUE SRI LANKANS are the SINHALA BUDDHITS. This means the Tamils, Muslims, Malays, Burghers, Sinhala Christians and other minorities can never be considered as true full-fledged Sri Lankans.

    Lawrence J. Zwier has written a number of books as part of a series called World in Conflict. In his 96 page book titled Sri Lanka: War-Torn Island he explains how the Mahavamsa has been used by the Sinhala Buddhist nationalistic politicians to implant the idea of justification of their birth right to rule the Island.

  198. 188 – N Gunarathnam

    Gunarathnam, when you say

    “Justlike what your Mahinda R did in China and india few times when he visited their except of course personal shopping for his wifes wardrope Man.”

    Did you witness him doing the shopping for his wives? How many wives does he have? Please enlighten. If he has so many wives then I’m sure that he would have taken some tips from none other than your former eastern commander Col. Karuna. Anton Balasingham provided some details as to how Karuna and Thamil Selvam conducted peace talks in Red Light district of Bangkok. http://www.island.lk/2005/12/05/news1.html

  199. Correction in my last post …..

    Sinhalese have built over 2500 Wevas (Irrigation tanks) in the country and many thousands of shrines (Dagabas).

    It should be 25000 Wevas not 2500

    Thanks!

  200. TO
    193. N.Gunaratnam

    You Said
    We Tamils only asked to live freely in our part

    Which part you are taking about.

    Jaffna Tamils wants 1/3 of the country, Then Indian Tamils wants midle of the country, then Colombo Tamils wants colmbo and Muslim wants NE. Finally 76% of Sinha Majority has no place to go.

    There are no seperte parts in sri lanka to give to Different ethnics. You asking a part of Sri lanka like your birthday cake.

    why dont you goto tamilnadu and live freely. If you want you can ask a sperate part from Tamilnadu to live freely. Then you can understand the Tamilnadu ARMY & Sri Lankan Army are no Different.

    1000s years Tamils lives in Sri lanka. No doubt about it. BUT in Sri lanka history there was no any indication that there was a Different country for Tamils in Sri lanka. Tamils was one of the tribes in Sri lanka.

    Please someone clearly mention that what Discriminations that the Tamil people are facing other than other ethics in Sri alnka.

    remeber 50 000 Sinhala buddhists (JVP) were killed in 89. They also have the same problems as tamils. Sinhala people can not be settled down in Jaffana or NE while Tamils can Live any part of the Sri Lanka.

    what I suggest. is allow everyone to goto any place in Sri lanka and be settled down as they want. either in Jaffna or Colombo any where.

  201. But a main factor of Sri Lanka is missing in this article. That is the word “HINDU”. What happened to the HINDUS? Or NO HINDUS at all in Sri Lanka?

  202. RAJA SEKARAN CANNOT BE A TAMIL NAME BUT A MALAYALEE (KERALA NAME). No royal names known as Rajasekaran in Tamil.

    Last king of Jaffna was Para Nirupa Sinha Muthali. Muthali means Pallava.

    Sankili was a Malayalee and not a Tamil. Sankili was a TITLE given to the Malayalee soldiers.

    Why do we (Sri Lankans) have more KERALA habbits than Tamil Nadu?

    Mainly the marriage customs and religious rituals of Hindus and Buddhists are closer to Kerala than Tamil Nadu.

    To prove TAMIL or Sinhala our History pandits forget KERALA which is the main contributor in the making of Sri Lanka.

  203. #191. and many others

    Even if Vijaya;s lineage is correct (from sources other than Mahavamsa), how could Abhaya Gamini become a ‘direct lineage’ of Vijaya. You have conveniently omitted the omissions.

    Vijaya was deported from Magadha in the east coast of India with his 700 friends, wives and children in separate boats. The wives landed in the south and nothing mentioned about the fate of the children. Vijaya and 700 friends landed in the west near the present Bombay (hovercraft?)
    Be that so, they arrived safely, but again starts misbehaving there, so they were chased out by the people and again they gets into the boat and sailed south. At this time they really thought they are going to die and vows to be good in the future. However Vijaya broke this vow and also the promise given to Kuveni .

    Poor ,Kuveni, broken hearted and alone, called down the curse of the Gods on Vijaya and his heirs and on the rulers of the Island that no ruler will rule this Island for a longer period without bloodshed and strife. Kuveni was killed by her people as traitor for her sin in letting the foreigners in and her son & daughter escaped to Samanakoodam(Adam’s peak),married themselves and became known as Pulinthar a sector of veddhas.

    Vijaya did not have any children through royal marriage. His brother’s(who married a South Indian) son Pandu Vasudeva succeeded him so Duttu(Thutta)Ahaya Gamini can be only Pandu Vasudeva’s descendent.
    Again, what happened to Pandu Vasudeva’s nine sons? Because a soothsayer said his daughter Chitra(aka Citta) will give birth to a son who would kill his uncles, she was imprisoned inside the palace to prevent her from marrying( another jathaka story or folk lore).
    Nevertheless she managed to run away and marry someone she met in the forest.
    Who is that person-a veddah? No, the spin doctors have to connect him to Buddha.

    But, by this time the Magadha kingdom is lost and they went interior toward the Genghis land. One Pandu from the Sakkiya clan had a daughter named Pathra(forceful)kanchana and astrologers had advised him to send her across the sea to avoid calamity. Thus Pathrakanchana came in a boat with 32 friends to marry P.Vasudeva and his 32 friends, who came earlier when Vijaya was dying. How and why their boat shored in Lanka and not in Lakchadiv or Maldives or Somalia?
    Her daughter is Chitra whose husband somehow becomes Pathrakanchana’s relative and her son killed or subdued her uncles. Nevertheless Vijay’s(or his brother’s) lineage is broken.

    Good, they had a son named Pandu Abhaya who’s son Mutha Siva gave birth to Theesan No.1(Deva nambiya Theesan) who was converted to Buddhism by Mahinda Therar in Mihintale on posan full moon.
    Devanambiya Theesan did not have any surviving sons so his younger brothers ruled for a short period, until Ellalan overthrew them.
    Ellalan ruled impartially and even kills his son with a chariot for accidentally killing a calf(another jathaka story). Some of Theesan’s brothers (as well )became sub kings under Ellalan and ruled Mahagamam & Kal(y)ani.
    One of his their grandson Kakkavarna Theesan’s son Duta Gamini , after worshipping in Kathirgamam, battles with Ellalan and comes to power, but his only son Sali marries a low caste(Veddah) woman Asoka Mala, so Gamini dethrones him. Gamini’s brother Saththa Theesan succeeds him but his son Kaloonan was murdered by the Chief minister and the lineage is again broken.

    A Vatta gamini(Valagamba) came to power with the aid of the ministers and palace elephant, whose ancestry is shrouded in mystery. Seven Cholars defeated him and one of them took Vattagamini’s wife Somadevi with him to India. Vattagamini recaptures and brings back his wife(,i>Ramayana in reverse?).
    There were two women rulers Anula & Sivali(srivalli?) so the male descendent-cy is broken.

    Then there was the horseman Subha who came to power after killing his look alike king Yasalalagan in a switching of roles game(yet another Jathaka story?). Believing a soothsayer he killed all named Vasaba’s but a minister’s nephew Vasaba escaped and killed Subha rajah and started the Lambakarna dynsaty.

    Finally Srinagan’s son Vijayakumarakan was killed by his three commanders who succeeded him and starts an entirely new lineage. The third of the commander killed the first one and announces reward for the head of the second one Sri Sangapothi, who cuts & gives it himself(another famous jathaka story).That was Kothabaya(ketta abhayan) and his son Mahasenan was the last of the kings of Mahavamsam, and then Chulavamsa or Culuvamsa (Kulavamsam or keelvamsam), an inferior vamsa starts. (Isn’t it strange all these names are Tamil or Tamil sounding with sound meanings).

    In order to understand Mahavamsa, we need to understand the prevailing political conditions in the country as well as Mahanama’s interest in that.
    Why, the great grandson of Mahasenan, stopped Mahavamsam with Mahasenan and did not continue until his grandson by daughter Dhatusenan?? who are called Culavamsam by Mahakeerthi thero

    After Mahasenan his son Keerthi Sri Mekavarnan ruled who received the tooth relic(580 yeras after Buddhism came to Lanka) from the Kalinga sub king (under Guptas)Kugasivan (when he was losing the battle with the Jain ruler Suvethan intent on destroying the relic) for safekeeping through his daughter Hema Mala(hiding in her hair), who crossed Kathavari and sailed from Thoothukudi to Lanka.

    ^Keerthi Sri Megavarnan(304-332 AD)-son of Mahasenan
    ^ Jetha Theesan(332-341)- his son ruled after Magevarnan
    ^Buddhsdasan(341-370)-son of Jethatheesan
    ^Upatheesan(370-412)-Buddhadasan’s eldest son
    ^Mahanama(n)(412-434)-bro of Upatheesan( son of Buddhsdasan)
    ^Soththi senan(434)-mahanama’s son borne to Tamil mother
    ^Chattagahaka Jantu(435)(Attaikaakka janthu?)-husband of
    Mahanama’s daughter Sangha by a sinhala queen
    ^Mittasena-)436) a plunderer nothing further known
    ^six Pandyans(436-463) for 27 years
    ^Dhatusena(463-479)-son of Sangha(start of Moriya vamsam)
    -Mahavamsa written by Mahanama
    ^Kasiyappan (473-495)-son of Dhatusena by a Pallava-sigiriya fame
    ^Mugalan-Dhatusena’s son by royal consort-returned from S/India

    There were many instances where South Indian Tamils came, captured and ruled, but there was no mention in Mahavamsa about them demolishing Buddhist sites or ignoring Buddhism. In fact they did all they can to help Buddhism but it was the so called local kings like Makasulika, Jekathisa & Makasena who had destroyed Stupas and murdered Buddhists due to infightings and Mahayana-Theravada rivalries.

    It is also true that the South Indians were not invaders but invitees. Whenever there was instability in the kingdom and doubts in the lineage, the nobilities and monks encouraged and also assisted Dravidians to take control in order to maintain peace and continuity of their power. </b.

  204. 171. Liyanage ayyā I feel your pain- “LTTE killed my only Tamil cousin in KKS” ,realy sorry to hear this- Many of us have same personal note like you . Because of this we cannot change like you or Sinhalese to celeberate another man dead’, that was arrogant as far as I am concerned ! as you seen in the Santha Akka Videos , Then you fall in the same category, no difference.

    Re-read your comment 100, Didn’t you started like “Mahinda Rajapakse saved Srilanka from another Tamil invader by the name of Velupillai Prabhakaran ”
    Tell me, Who misinterpret the history? The word you used in here ‘Tamil Invader’ fact or fiction ? You either ‘Balankoda man or Ankoda man. I can’t understand your mind set.

    If you really want to know, Unlern and relearn about VP’s Thirunelveli Battlefield , Manalaru Battlefield and other commanding battles , why he wasn’t finshed in 24 hours?as per your ‘Thileepan (whom I respect as a fighter)’ and many other Thileepans why accept him as leader?

    Don’t you know every Freedom Fights has own enimies (“Pulluruvikal” ) in beetwen Freedom Figters? Their action
    this reaction now total cremation. who blame who? Real Freedom fights not depend on fight by arms- it start as normal sprit and ending as ‘Mahathma’-That will Independent!

    Back to basic – If Velupillai Prabhakaran met his waterloo in the lagoon of Nanthikadal , you ask us to join with you for glass of champagne to celebrate?

    If Mahinda Rajapaksa met his Waterloo at Oxford ,
    Will you say ‘Denied Right of Free Speech by Oxford Union’? (If so, I like your sense of humor!)

    By the way you describing , even Katharagama Kapurala brake his common sense!!!!

  205. 203. Chinthaka-LTTE idelogies?

    in1987 Jonit NorthEast under Indo- Ilanka LTTE idelogies?

    in1977 Tamils vote for VKR LTTE idelogies?

    in 1957 Banda -Chelva Pact LTTE idelogies?

    You have proved my words

    “Same approach whenever any one speak about Tamils rights , GOSL and other associate hardliners say LTTE propaganda , white tiger or Tiger front organisations without thinking any , like you branding -we cry for ‘Lost rights’”

    LTTE idelogies is separate State .Tamil -Sinhala ethinicity problem nothing doing with other province or sinhala peopple rights.

    We never deny any what they have any or haven’t

    What we want is democratic authorty in North East selected by civilians.

    what wrong with you in sharing power, if we have our local government. ? We are not asking seaparate state like LTTE? Please But do not push us towards that?

  206. 192 Santa Akka,

    What you are saying is what the UNP, the JVP and all other political parties are saying. there is no Ethnicity in the problems you mention its common to all.

    If you know even now there are people who say Douglas Devanada’s people are extorting money and charging unreasonable rates to Jaffna. Even overseas did you have fairplay bu the LTTE? were you able to speak freely? why was Neelan Thruchelvam, Kadirgama, Amirthalingam and all other tamil people who said something against the LTTE mowed down? Did you have free speech under the LTTE administration?

    BY having a seperate administration as you say will not answer your worries.

    You had it and was it successful?

    If so why are so many tamils now voicing against the LTTE for forcing them to take bank loans?

    There is no perfect administration for the sinhalese or the tamils. carving out a seperate peice is not the solution.

    cheers.

  207. #214 Kari

    You are one of the very few who has read the Mahavamsa in full and understood it very clearly. You must be commended for very beautifully narrating it for us, I really enjoyed reading it and the analysis were wonderful. Even Paranavithana could not do it like this.

    I appreciate this and hope you will also narrate similar stories from Mahavamsa to enlighten us.

    Thankyou

  208. 196 Gunapala

    Where did they land and who gave them citizenship in Sri Lanka? Of course there were a few illegal migration from Tamil Nadu and do you know who was deadly against them and who opposed them?
    ————————————————–

    Again you have stepped on your tail. I did not question who or supported illegal migration of Indian Tamils to Sri Lanka or who opposed it. I brought that up to illustrate that Indian Tamils were willing to leave India and illegally come to Sri Lanka to settle down. Now isn’t that surprising, that they would had no hesitation to move to a country that according to your propaganda was practicing genocide against all Tamils? Now why would people leave a country that is suppose to be safe and try to enter a country that was suppose to be killing them?

    And you say that Jaffna Tamils opposed that illegal migration. I agree, of course you did oppose them. That is also not surprising when one consider how Jaffna Tamils treat the Indian Tamils of up-country plantations.

    As for your statement “there were a few illegals” who are you trying to kid? Few means less than 10???

    206. Rajan Toronto

    As I said earlier, only people who seems to be having a “Mahavansa mindset” seems to be you guys. And for your information, it was not JR who gave citizenship to the India Tamils but Mrs. B under Sirima-Shastri pact. That was way before JR’s time.

    And as for your statement:
    “That is the only reason he decided to give citizenship rights to Tamils after oppressing the upcountry Tamils for decades.”

    Well, I must say that Indian Tamils of up-country have demonstrated very conclusively what they think of your Ellam project by refusing to have anything to do with you guys. I guess they know pretty well that if they have any hope of getting any social justice in Sri Lanka, it will certainly not from people who practices apartheid in the form a caste system that is much worse than any other discrimination that may exist in the island.

  209. 205 Sunil:
    Until I read this article i did not know that the Mahavamsa has given legitimate right for the Sinhalese to kill Tamils.
    60 thousand Tamils = one and a half human?

    We should reject this stupid book called Mahavamsa, it is making a mockery on Buddhism.
    ————————————————————

    Fair enough. But by same token should Tamils also completely reject Hinduism that straightjackets human beings in to a religion based caste system that allows the high caste Tamils to treat the low castes as subhuman?

  210. Yapa

    All your childish questions are very well answered in Devananda’s two articles. Why are you wasting your time and why do you want to waste other people’s time asking them again and again without reading the articles?

    You have become a laughing stock in this blog. Someone was calling you a blog jester, LOL.

  211. 212. M.Sivananthan  

    The article talks about Brahamaism, Saivaism, Vishnuism, etc. What are they? Are they also Buddhism?

  212. #213. M.Sivananthan

    ******RAJA SEKARAN CANNOT BE A TAMIL NAME BUT A MALAYALEE (KERALA NAME). No royal names known as Rajasekaran in Tamil.******

    If RAJA SEKARAN is a Malayalee name, how come there are hundreds of Rajasekarans in Tamil Nadu? Can you give an example of a Malayalee Royal name (King) by the name RAJA SEKARAN?

    *****Last king of Jaffna was Para Nirupa Sinha Muthali. Muthali means Pallava.*****
    Is this your imagination? Could you please give some examples or reference to this?

    *****Sankili was a Malayalee and not a Tamil. Sankili was a TITLE given to the Malayalee soldiers.*****

    Could you tell us where you found this? Give us some reference because I could not find this title anywhere in the web pages.

    *****Why do we (Sri Lankans) have more KERALA habbits than Tamil Nadu?*****
    It is not the Tamils but the Sinhalese have more KERALA habits than Tamil Nadu.

    *****Mainly the marriage customs and religious rituals of Hindus and Buddhists are closer to Kerala than Tamil Nadu.******
    Marriage customs and religious rituals of Hindus and Buddhists are closer to both Kerala and Tamil Nadu.

    ******To prove TAMIL or Sinhala our History pandits forget KERALA which is the main contributor in the making of Sri Lanka.******
    Both KERALA and Tamil Nadu are the main contributors in the making of Sri Lanka and the author of the above two articles have mentioned that several times.

    The problem with you is, you invent something from thin air and simply blabber as if you know a lot. If you had read the articles you will not blabber such crap.

  213. 221. Ranjan, Toronto  

    I am not talking about Hinduism here, I am talking about Mahavamsa.

    What you are trying to do is, compare apples with pineapples.

  214. #213. M.Sivananthan and all others,

    Here is something I found about the KERELA – SRI LANKA connection written by some unknown author.

    The Kerela (Malayalam) Sri Lanka connection

    In fact, until the 7th century A.D. there was no difference between Tamil and Malayalam. Only after that Malayalam emerged as a different language and the scripts too changed due to the influence of Prakrit from the North. The name Malayalar itself is a Tamil word for the people from the hills. Malai in Tamil means Hills. Malayalam is derived from that. The areas covered by one of the Three Tamil dynasties, the ‘Chera Kingdom’ became Kerala later.

    The early colonists (Europeans) did not see the difference between Malayalam and Tamil and due to their early familiarity with the Malabar Coast, termed even Tamilians as Malabars and the Tamil language as Malabarish Language.

    Malayalam has retained more of the classic Tamil words than the present Tamil spoken in Tamil Nadu.

    Not only the Flora and Fauna but the cultural connection between Sri Lanka and (god’s own country) Kerala was once vibrant. There used to be extensive commerce through the ports of Cochin, Calicut and Kozhikode, which also enabled regular flows of migrants to the island.

    Over the course of the centuries, the people from Chera/Kerala who migrated to Sri Lanka have become part of the Sinhala community, adopting local names and Buddhist practices. Given the multiple shared features of the two communities, many have felt it easier to merge with the dominant local groups, rather than to try to maintain separations. In areas such as Lunuwila, Wennappuwa and Marawila, there are many descendants of Keralan migrants who today feel culturally and socially closer to the Sinhala people than they do to the Sri Lankan Tamils.

    It is also believed that the Sinhalese from the castes Karawa (fisherman), Durawa (toddy tapper) and Salagama (cinnamon peeler) were decedents from Kerela who got naturalized (Sinhalized) during the course of time.

    Roughly around 25% of the Sinhala words are of Tamil origin but more than 50% of the Sinhala words are identical in both pronunciation and meaning to Malayalam.
    Even the Malayalam alphabets (script) resemble the Sinhala alphabet a lot more than Tamil.

    If you take a Sinhala Dictionary and readout the words to an educated Malayali (from Kerela), he will give you the exact meaning of at least 60% of them, but if you speak to him in Sinhala colloquial, he may not understand a word.

    Anyone who says Malayalam is not a part of SL language needs to talk to a Kattadiya in the south, specifically Matara and ask the guy for his roots. (Malayaala Manthiram).

    More than the language, I also found something strange when I visited Kerela. When you go to the villages, they are exactly like Sri Lanka, with plenty of paddy fields and coconut trees, the people, their appearance, features and complexion are identical to Sinhalese, their food is exactly similar to the Sinhalese food, Kavum, kiribath, pol sambol, aapa, idiappa, pittu,(you hardly find them in Tamil Nadu because the Tamil food is Thosai, iddli, vadai, etc) and most others were very similar, and the best part was the dress worn by the remote village women in Kerala, it was retha/hetta what the Sinhalese women wear. For a moment, I thought I was in a Sinhala village. I even asked those people if their ancestors were Sinhalese. Unfortunately, most of them are not familiar with their history.

    I am particularly surprised to hear about the Osariya (sari that the Sinhalese women wear) which also came from Kerela. I was told that the style of wearing saree by the early Kerala women was exactly what the Sinhalese women wear now (Osariya).

    The Osari and Rathe hatta are still worn in some parts of Kerela, and most of the food the Sinhalese cook/eat including the sweet meats such as the Kavum is Kerala s cultural cusines.

    Religious practices such as the Pattini deity worship (as well as the worship of Natha, Vishnu, Kataragama, Saman and Vibhishana) were also introduced to Sri Lanka from Kerala. Sinhala classical poems such as the ‘Perakumba Sinha’ and ‘Kokila Sandesaya’ also bear the Keralan stamp.

    There is a fishing community in the Negambo area which speaks Malayalam at night and Sinhalese in broad daylight. Names we now consider Sinhala, like Kodippili, Samarappili, Samarakkodi, Kuruppu, Samaradivakara, Samarasinghe, and many more are Malayalam.

    The Alakeshwara family, for instance, belonged to a Kerala dynasty that grew very close to the royalty of the 14th century Gampola kingdom.
    Many families modified their Kerela names into Sinhala, for example the Marappan family became Marapana (Tilak Marapana). There were also many Muslim families, for example the Markar family (Bakeer Markar, Markan Marker and so on) are all from Kerela. Markar is a common name in Kochin / Ernakulam area in Kerala. Even the name ‘Maraikkar’ is actually a malyalee name.

    It was the Cochin Markar who traded in cinnamon with Sri Lanka and sold them to the Portuguese in Cochin and Calicut (Kozhikode). They are the ones who took the ‘Parangiya to Kotte’ when the Portuguese wanted to meet the King of Kotte and you know how the Parangiya went to Kotte.

    Wattilappam is a Kerala dish introduced to Sri Lanka by the Malayaalee Muslims. Since then it has got modified in Sri Lanka and certain amount of its tastes has changed. Even the banana known today as Koolikutu was originally from Kozhikode, Kerela.

    The Sri Lankan Muslims used to practice martial arts called ‘Cheena Adi.’ They still continue it in places like Trincomalee, another evidence of Malayalee influence among Sri Lankan Muslims.

    The Sinhalese women loved to have Malayalis as their husbands, during the early 20th centaury. Some well known Sinhalese women eloped with the Malayali men, one such example was the wife of the famous Trade unionist A.E. Gunasinghe.

    When the Sinhala actress Anoja Weerasinghe was invited to act in a Malayalam movie, what she said was, ‘I cannot see any difference between them and us.’

    Ayurveda medicine (the Sinhalese call it Sinhala medicine) was brought to Sri Lanka from Kerela. Even today the Ayurvedic doctors (Wickramarachi, etc) in Sri Lanka used to go to Kerela for further higher studies.

    Kalarippayatt is the ancient martial art of Kerela and is said to be the mother of all martial arts and dates back some thousands of years.

    It is believed that many traveling monks, merchants, and especially Ksatriyas (warrior class), including the Buddhist monk, Bodhidarma studied this art and imparted these skills throughout South East Asia, and China at the Soong Shan monastery.

    The ancient Sinhalese even practiced martial arts similar to Kalari Payat. An earlier martial art form of Angampora had been introduced by Tamil mercenaries from Kerala.

    In fact, Angampora was heavily influenced by Tamil Martial art that is now famous in Tamil Nadu and Kerala (Kerala = then it had been called Tamil Chera Kingdom). Kalarippayattu had evolved itself in to a different form of martial art in the Island.

    The Tamil mercenaries had been assimilated into Sinhala ethnic group and also the martial art too. The word Angampora could be divided into two separated words as Angam + Por.

    Here, the words’ meaning in Tamil

    Angam = Body parts / Body
    Por = War / Combat

    That means Body combat or combat using body parts.

    The members and /or masters of this martial art school have been called ‘Panik Rala’ in Sinhala.

    The word ‘Pani’ means ‘work’ in Tamil. In Tamil and/ or Malayalam they have been called ‘Panikkers’ (Pani + Kers).

    It is the Kerala martial arts that spread to china etc. Kalari Payat (Kalari Payattu) originated in Kerala more than 5000 years ago and it is the mother of all martial arts. A Buddhist monk learnt it there and taught it to people in China. Thereafter it spread to other countries such as Korea and Japan and took various forms and names such as Karate and Kung Fu. In the Malaysian ‘Silat’ and Indonesian ‘Pencak Silat’ you find a lot of similar techniques.

    Malayalis have a knack for martial arts which is used to knock down the opponent by inflicting 2 or 3 jabs in the nerve points. This is called VARMAM, Varma adi.
    They were also responsible for imparting such knowledge, from its martial techniques in injury, medicine, and pressure point (marman) striking skills.
    It will take a student more than 15 years to start learning the Varma Adi. If the Guru does not trust you, you may never get it. However, even without the varmam it can be quite dangerous and has all sorts of fighting systems such as bare hand, silambam, sword fighting, throwing and wrestling.
    The Sinhalese also practiced these martial arts during the ancient period. The martial art shown in the Sinhala Tele-drama Dandubasnamanaya is actually Varma adi.

    Even the most famous katakali dance from Kerela is recently introduced to Sri Lanka.

    The renowned Sri Lankan social anthropologist, Prof. Gananath Obeysekere has done research on the Sri Lanka-Kerala link but I think, some historians and scholars should start doing more research in Sri Lanka- Kerela connection.

  215. 205. Sunil | February 7th, 2011 at 3:45 am
    Until I read this article i did not know that the Mahavamsa has given legitimate right for the Sinhalese to kill Tamils.

    60 thousand Tamils = one and a half human?

    How come an Arahant who is just next to Buddha say such a thing?
    ———————————————————————–

    SUNIL,
    This proved nothing but your little knowledge about Buddhism. Read THIRIPITAKAYA. Then you could go through about MITHYA DHRUSTY (wronge wission) There are 10 components that could be gain to be a MITHYA DHRUSTY (wronge wission) . After finishing the present life period, such person has no other option but go to hell.
    The 60,000 persons who participated the wor with Dutugamunu were MITHYA DHRUSTY except one who got 5 refuge, and other one got only 3 sarana(protection)
    themself were assinged to fell hell.

    There was nothing wronged with arahath. It was their karma.

  216.  215. Thiru  
    I have watched the videos and I sincerely regret those incidents if the videos are authentic.  Having said that I must also say that I have seen worse images depicting LTTE brutality. Now, please tell me that you did not celebrate the assassination of the president Ranasingha Premadasa. 

    “Re-read your comment 100, Didn’t you started like “Mahinda Rajapakse saved Srilanka from another Tamil invader by the name of Velupillai Prabhakaran ”Tell me, Who misinterpret the history? The word you used in here ‘Tamil Invader’ fact or fiction ? You either ‘Balankoda man or Ankoda man. I can’t understand your mind set. “

    Yes, I did say that Mahinda Rajapakse saved Srilanka from another Tamil Invader by the name of Velupillai Prabhakaran in the context of your statement “Our Dutagemnu and Parakiramapaku unite the srilanka from Tamil invaders.” There is no denying that. But I’ll tell you where the misintepretation occurred. Re-read your comment 159 and this is what you said
    “In 32 countries including India, US, UK, Canada & European Union never proscribed ‘Tamils as invader’ like YOU rather demanding ‘independent international investigation’ now.”

    I never said those 32 countries proscribed Tamils as invaders but LTTE as an organisation in which Prabhakaran was the leader. I will never ever generalise a whole community simply because of the actions of one individual. But that is exactly your problem. You tend to generalise a whole nation simply because of the actions of some individuals. I did not say every Thiru, Gunaratnam… is an invader just because of one Prabhakaran. I am the last person to do that as I had a wonderful tamil cousin.

    “If you really want to know, Unlern and relearn about VP’s Thirunelveli Battlefield , Manalaru Battlefield and other commanding battles , why he wasn’t finshed in 24 hours?as per your ‘Thileepan (whom I respect as a fighter)’ and many other Thileepans why accept him as leader?”

    Was Prabhakaran on the front line in any of those battles you mentioned above? I doubt very much. He may have commanded the battles but that is no different to what Mahinda Rajapakse did as the Commander in Chief. He gave the command. I was actually referring to Theepan (I misspelt it, my apologies) who bravely fought until the last moment and what did Prabhakaran and Pottu Amman do? They gave the command and left him to die with his 500 odd cadres.

    In your comment 159 you said that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter ” Well, then the same theory can be applied to Mahinda Rajapaske. So what happened at the end? Rajapakse the freedom fighter won and Prabhakaran the freedom figther lost. Let’s just exclude “freedom fighter” from the topic, shall we?    

  217. #227 wathsala

    ******This proved nothing but your little knowledge about Buddhism. Read THIRIPITAKAYA. Then you could go through about MITHYA DHRUSTY (wronge wission). After finishing the present life period, such person has no other option but go to hell. The 60,000 persons who participated the war with Dutugamunu were MITHYA DHRUSTY except one who got 5 refuge, and other one got only 3 sarana(protection) them self were assinged to fell hell.*******

    This is the best part; Wathsala is trying to prove that Buddhism is Barbaric. The 60,000 Tamils killed were equated to one and a half human. I did not know that Buddhism justified killing whether MITHYA DHRUSTY or the person distained to go to hell or whatever.

    How these people are misquoting/misinterpreting Buddha’s words totally out of context and making a mockery just to justify their Sins. Buddha has become the poor victim.

  218. #224 SOLI
    RAJASEKARAN never be a name to any Tamil Royal Houses.(Chola and Pandia). Can you show any one? People (commoners) have names of many kings or gods.

    PALLAVA (Pali or Sanskrit) = muthali (Tamil)

    Pallav means FIRST leaves of a plant. In Tamil, muthal+ilai= Muthali

    Just try the Tamil grammer.

    Sankili is a title for Kerala soldiers.
    Just try to know the Kerala Panicker and Kuruppu!

    VARMANS are the Kerala Royals even today. They belong to the splinter group of Pallavas.

    //Rajasekhara Varman (820-44) marked the beginning of the Kollam Era in 825. He is also reputed to have issued the Vazhappali Inscription, the first epigraphical record of the Second Kera Kingdom. Rajasekhara Varma was followed by Sthanu Ravi Varman (844-55), a contemporary of the Chola king, Aditya I. With the rise of the Cholas of the Vijayalaya dynasty around the middle of the ninth century, the Keralas found that they had to deal with another powerful rival. Aditya I, (c. 871 – c. 907 CE) expanded the Chola kingdom by defeating the Pallavas. He was on friendly terms with the Chera king Sthanu Ravi.[1]//

    The above statements appear in wikipedia.

    Further TAMIL historians purposely or foolishly dont claim PALLAVA as a TAMIL ROYAL CLAN but PALLAVA royals ruled more centuries than the others in South India and Sri Lanka.

  219. #226 SOLI

    Sri Lankans traditionally marry the daughter of an uncle(mother’s brother) but Tamils of Tamil Nadu marry their Sister’s daughter.

    Further Buddhism spread to far east during the Pallava rule of Tamil Nadu. Kanchipuram was the Capital of Pallavas and the place of Buddhism as well.

    Karate (kara =hand in Tamil) went to Far East via Tamil Nadu by the Tamil Buddhist Monks.

    The Karawa of Sinhalese have their ancestoral connection with the coast of Tamil Nadu and not with Kerala. In Kerala the fishing community is known as MUKKUWA(r) and KARAYAR in Tamil Nadu.

    I agree that the Sri Lankan people have more “connections” with Kerala and Tamil Nadu than any other part of India.

    But Sinhalese now feel little comfort in acknowledging Kerala connection than Tamil. Current politics may be a reason but Sinhala Royal houses always opted TAMIL Royal houses for marriages and help in the past!

  220. 228. Liyanage  

    Personaly I never celebrate any one dead (including Ranasingha Premadasa or Josef Pararajasingam or even my house dog)

    Thank you for finaly accepting that you said ‘ Tamil Invader'(rather Mahavamsa is better ,Not hide the 44 years Elera’s Good rule and Dutagemunu established a elera memorial stone ) you further said ‘history repeating’ ,in what capacity? killing of thousands innocent Tamils by repeated shelling and arial boming?
    which i was direct witness at my school days.

    As a srilankan you don’t need any authentic to understand what happening around you. As a Tamils what was happenning from 58 to till not incidents , It is SYSTEMATIC GENOCIDE.(Similar to what happened to Vedas and Kuveni)

    I never said that you said ‘In 32 countries proscribed ‘Tamils as invader’ ‘

    Read very carefully ! what I said “In 32 countries including India, US, UK, Canada & European Union never proscribed ‘Tamils as invader’ (Fact)full stop .
    like YOU (Fiction- like Mahavamsa which you implying your own theory here’Tamil Invader’ ,if you belive he is terrorist , say it in first place don’t manipulate for glass of champagne) fullstop.

    If some native Tamils asked this same question in ‘Mahavamsa’ time , our history was recorded in the proper book like ‘Tholkaapiyam’-wouldn’t be big debate like this to find out the truth.

    Our ‘Raman Andal enna Ravanan Andal enna’ -Don’t bother mentality lost the grip of the land and facing systemaic genocide by megalomaniac sinhalese.

    VP , ‘Sellakili Amman’ and some others fought on the frontline in Thirunelveli battle……As you don’t want to talk about ‘freedom fighters’ topic , I leave it to THE TIME to answer your questions. (Sure you will apologies for your misspelts )

    But we have to exclude the word ‘Tamil Invader’, Shall we?

  221. 218-dishan F

    Yes UNP,JVP (not your UPFA?) and all other parties know what they have did to Tamils in the past than you. This is remedy time not your comedy time.

    No one accept Paramilitary leader Douglas as Tamil leader, his actions counted as SL government action.

    We are talking about permanat solution for ethinic problem this country facing since 1958.Don’t compare Sharing power with democraticaly elected Tamils in noth east and LTTE de-facto state. If we had to have fedaral solution like switziland or scotland , we shouldn’t
    be face 30years of war or 3 big riots. Srilanka would be swiziland now!

    Why we are still unable to achive this? Because peopple like you still in the illusion never give any thing to Tamil.But you can do everything (Sinhala Only,Buddhism Goverment religion,Marginalisation, Demerge Northeast, illegali occuping Tamil Lands, Sinhala colanaisation, Using state army to kill tamils, manipulate the history and teach us as ‘Tamils invaders’ and Sinhalese are freedom fighters from orisa, etc) if no Tamil resistance exist Tamils will be wipe out tottaly.

    like this blog , you need to give some space to tamils democraticaly exercise their power in northeast where they are dominate by their language and culture. Then they want go to battle feild to face you if they have own Tamil Parliament like Scotish Parliament. Through this not only they will exercising their rights without any complaint but also one day they will produce Fine Tamil president for whole SriLanka.

    So,Please come out from illusion and stop your bullshitting. No point to argueing for nothing. Time to move on. Lets do some thing worhwhile.Full stop.

  222. The imaginary Mahavamsa/Sinhala Buddha was a Terrorist.

    The Sinhalese say the Buddha blessed the Sinhala race, he chose them as the guardians of the Buddha saasana and he is protecting them. If the Yakka and Naga Tribes of Sri Lanka were the ancestors of the present day Sinhalese, why on earth the Buddha terrorized the Yakkhas and Naga Tribes and asked them to vacate the land for the Buddha. Either Monk Mahanama was lying about the Buddha’s visits or the present day Sinhalese are lying. According to Mahavamsa, the Sinhala claim of Hela ancestry doesn’t add up. The original Buddha didn’t terrorize anyone in anywhere else in India, but according to the Mahavamsa, he did that in Sri Lanka to grab the land of others.

    The first visit of the Buddha was to Mahiyangane area where Yakkhas lived. The Sinhala Mahavamsa Buddha did not try to win them over with his compassion as the original Buddha did in similar circumstances. He TERRORIZED the Yakkhas by MANIPULATING natural phenomena. The Yakkhas appealed to the Buddha NOT TO TERRORIZE them if they were not harmed, they would vacate the land for the Buddha. The Mahavamsa Buddha seems to have taken the innate evil character of the Sinhalese.

    The second visit of the Buddha was to Nagadipa, now identified with northern TAMIL part of Lanka. Two Naga princes were about to fight fiercely for a gem set throne and bloodshed was imminent. The Buddha made his visit to prevent bloodshed. There too, the Buddha seems to have used TERRORIST methods of MANIPULATING natural phenomena to frighten the princes so that they themselves offered the Buddha the throne out of fear. The Mahavamsa portrayal of the Buddha’s second visit also shows that the Buddha had been brought down to a level which the Sinhalas could understand.

  223. As far as I know the history, I feel Gemunu was a Sinhala but Bhikku Mahanama was not a Sinhala but a member of Tamil Pallava clan.

    Sigiri Kasyappa’s Maternal uncle Mahanama cannot be a Sinhala because Kasyappa’s mother too from Pallava Clan!

    Can we tell here that brother was a sinhala buddhist and sister was Tamil hindu?

  224. I just cannot understand why the majority of the people never question Mahawamsa but simply act as gullible. They will take whatever given in Mahawansa as the gospel. They take only the literal meaning of terms.

    MAHAWAMSA WAS ‘WRITTEN’ WITH TWO CLEAR AND SPECIFIC POLITICAL MOTIVES.

    (1) To set the mind set of prince Dhatusena to fight against Cholas. (Ven. Mahanama thero played the same role played by Chanakya to the prince Chandragupta Maurya. That was the reason he wanted to highlight the story of the Dutugemunu, in spite of the fact that Dutugeminu can hardly be called even a king, let alone a great king.)

    (2) To establish the supremacy of Theravada Buddhism (of Maha Vihara) over the Mahayana sector (of Abhayagiri). This is how the relatively smaller ‘Swarnamali’ became the Mahaseya, and not any other bigger stupas. (the height of Ruwanweliseya was AFTER the renovations, not the original height.)

    There were so many communities and individuals who suffered because of the politicization of the history by Mahawamsa author.

    As the above author has correctly said, one of the key victims of this distortion of history is king Kashyapa.

    Mahawansa author unsympathetically character assassinated king Kashyapa, one of the greatest kings we ever had.

    These are established FACTS.

    (a) King Kashyapa never killed his father.
    (b) Sigiriya has never been Kashyapa’s fortress. It was never a fortress.
    (c) Sigiriya has never been the capital of Sri Lanka.
    (d) The stories about Kashyapa and Mugalan; Kashyapa and Migara etc were a perfect ‘athe-roles’
    (e) The structures at Sirigira were built over a long period, most probably started by King Dhatusena himself.

    Why did Ven. Mahanama thero break the ‘Musavadaa’ percept? Why he wanted to insult king Kashyapa so badly?

    There is a very simple answer.

    Sigiriya was a MAHAYANA TEMPLE. (Prof. Paranawithana had another idea, but this is the idea that matches all evidences found so far.)

    Kashyapa was a king who took the side of the Mahayana Bhikkus. He paid the price. So many generations to come learn about him as a killer of his own father.

    I do not suggest not to read Mahawansa but it should be read and referred with keeping these political connotations in mind.

    Simply there is no use arguing with people who take every word of Mahawansa as gospel. They are politicians. They are NOT students of history. If we want to explore history, we should debate with people who are not politically biased.

  225. The Christian Colonial Lackeys turned into Pseudo-Buddhist Patriots Overnight.

    Did the British actually favor the Tamils? The Sinhalese who occupied the front pews during Sunday in churches became Buddhists overnight. The lap dogs of the colonial rulers of the past had very quickly became the keepers of a pernicious SinhalaBuddhist ideology.

    STARTING FROM Don Stephen Senanayake (son of Don Spater Senanayake), through Dudley Shelton Senanayake, Sir John Lionel Kotelawala, Neelaperumalge Solomon West Ridgeway Dias Bandaranaike (previously Kalukapuge), Wijeyananda Dahanayake, Sirimavo Banadaranaike (of Mawalatenne Mohattala lineage), Thambi Mudiyansalage Junius Richard Jayawardene, Ranasinghe Premadasa (son of Richard Ranasinghe), Dingiri Banda Wijetunge, Chandrika Banadaranaike (Nayaka Pandaram) Kumaratunge and Mahendra PERCIVAL Rajapakse (Son of GEORGE Rajapakse), among our heads of government from Independence to date, I find only two men who can claim to have been untainted by the ‘ADAPTATION TO COLONIAL SYNDROME’, in name, religion or way of life.

    They are W.Dahanayake and Dingiri Banda Wijetunge. Of the others, some are of mixed race sometimes multiple, most have conveniently adopted western and Christian names, and religion to suit the periods their families have lived through and most have changed their mode of dress and way of life very quickly to FACILITATE POLITICAL SURVIVAL.

    Most of these men changed from ‘BROWN SAHIBS’ to ‘ARYA SINHALA BUDDHIST PATRIOTS’ almost overnight. However, all of them including W.Dahanayake and D.B.Wijetunge were standard-bearers for the Sinhala-Buddhist extremist ideology, in its many nuances to some degree or other. If not, they could not have attained power and held onto it.

    MAHINDA(Mahendra) PERCY(Percival) Rajapakse, the current President, has become the current standard-bearer of this EXTREME SINHALA BUDDHIST IDEOLOGY. PURSUIT of POWER, WEALTH and the right to EXPLOIT the common person and make a fool of him/her has been the only driving force behind these CHAMELEON-like TRANSFORMATIONS.

    While one cannot complain against adopting a new name, a new religion or a new way of life among people for whatever reason, what is abhorrent is the ease with which such transformations have taken place in most of these families, defying conscience and logic.

    Men and women who occupied the front pews during Sunday services in churches became regular visitors to Buddhist temples and patrons of Buddhism overnight. Men and women who had western Christian names, eliminated them from their families very quickly and started using names linked to Buddhism and Sinhala history. HOW MUCH OF THIS CHANGE WAS OUT OF GENUINE CONVICTION and how much of it is the continuance of a CHARADE OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY?

    The lap dogs of the colonial rulers of the past, had however very quickly become the keepers of a pernicious Sinhala-Buddhist ideology. Whether these men and women are selected, groomed, brought to power and kept in power, by the purveyors of this pernicious Sinhala-Buddhist ideology or whether these men and women in pursuit of power and wealth use these purveyors of hatred, is difficult to answer.

    It is however a MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE that has benefitted both. It has given those ruling, the space to abuse power and given those collaborating with them IN THE NAME OF SINHALA BUDDHISM to exercise a hold on power disproportionate to their strength. Both have successively taken the people for a ride for almost sixty years and DESTROYED SRI LANKA AS A NATION.

    On the other hand, Samuvel James Chelvanayakam didn’t have to be converted back to Hinduism for political expediency like the Sinhala leaders and he remained as a Christian. Hindus are the overwhelming majority of Tamils but they accepted a Christian Chelvanayakam as their leader and still fondly remember him as the father of Tamil Nation.

  226. Correction -234

    Then they won’t (Will not) go to battle feild to face you if they have own Tamil Parliament like Scotish Parliament. Through this not only they will exercising their rights without any complaint but also one day they will produce Fine Tamil president for whole SriLanka.So,Please come out from illusion and stop your bullshitting. No point to argueing for nothing. Time to move on. Lets do some thing worhwhile.Full stop.

  227. 233. Thiru

    Let me explain for one last time.

    This is what I said “….YOUR Mahinda Rajapakse saved Srilanka from another Tamil invader by the name of Velupillai Prabhakaran who met his waterloo in the lagoon of Nanthikadal in May 2009.”

    I did not refer to Tamils as invaders? Prove it to me otherwise.It is you who generalised and misinterpreted my statement by saying “In 32 countries including India, US, UK, Canada & European Union never proscribed ‘Tamils as invader’ like YOU..”
    If you cannot understand this then I’m afraid I do not wish to waste my time any more.

    The civilian deaths are inevitable in a war especially when the guerilla tactics are being deployed. LTTE continually used civilian compounds to attack the armed forces. In a desparate bid to save their leaders LTTE used civilians as human shield up until the very last minute.

    Please go back and re-read all my comments and you’ll find that I have never mentioned Mahavamsa. But, before you point your finger at someone in regards to “Mahavamsa” mindset you better take a closer look at your own mindset.

  228. Sunil@222;

    “You have become a laughing stock in this blog. Someone was calling you a blog jester, LOL.”

    Then quote answers from his articles at least, if you cannot answer. I am sure even Devananda has no answers. Insulting does not answer questions.

    I posted some more questions but the editors did not publish them in the blog. Otherwise, you would have to find many moe words like “jester” to insult me.

    YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS TO THEM. You cannot portrait/ cover up everything with words. Reality does not always overlap with jabbering.

    Thanks!

  229. TAMIL & TAMIL BLOODED KINGS/RULERS OF ANURADAPURA/POLONUWARA

    3. PANDUWASA 504 -474 BC

    7. MUTASIVA 367-307 BC

    8. DEVANAMPIYA TEESA 307-267 BC second Son of King Mutasiva

    9. UTTIYA 267-257 BC Brother of King Devanampiya Teesa

    10. MAHASIVA 257-247 BC Second (younger) brother of King
    Devanampiya Tissa

    11. SURATEESA 247-237 BC Younger brother of King Mutasiva

    SENA & GUTTIkA 237-215 BC Two Tamil Chief`s, killed King Suratissa and captured the throne at Anuradhapura. Sinhala rule was re-established in 215 BC

    14. ELARA 205-161 BC (the Just) A Tamil Prince of the Chola Dynasty from South India ruled the country for 44 years THE LONGEST RULER IN THE HISTORY OF SRI LANKA. During this period of rule by the Tamil King Elara whio ruled from Anuradhapura, the capital of Raja Rata (King`s Territory), there were two Sub-Divisions of the Island known as Maya Rata to the South West and Ruhuna to the South East. The tank situated in the Northern Province called Vanunik Kulam was also constructed by him. He ruled over Lanka for forty four years.

    22. PULAHATHA 103-100 BC Tamil Chief Reigned supreme for three years and was murdered by his Chief Minister, Bahiya.

    23. BAHIYA 100-98 BC Chief Minister of Pulahatha Ruled for two years with the Chief Panayamara as Prime Minister who also murdered him and took power.

    24. PANAYAMARA 98-91 BC Prime Minister of Bahiya Reigned for seven years and was murdered by his Chief Minister, Piliyamara

    25. PILAYAMARA 91 BC Chief Minister of Panayamara Reigned for seven months and was murdered by his Chief Minister, Dathiya

    26. DATHIYA 90-88 BC Chief Minister of Pilayamara Reigned for two years before he was killed

    31. Queen ANULA 47-41 BC first Queen of Lanka SHE WAS ATTRACTED TO TAMIL MEN. She made Siva, the palace guard as her consort. Subsequently she poisoned Siva and lived with an TAMIL carpenter, Vatuka, and many other Tamil men.

    69. PANDU 428-433 AD

    70. PARINDA 433 AD Son of Pandu, second Tamil ruler

    71. KHUDA PARINDA 433-449 AD Younger brother of Pandu, Third Tamil ruler during this period

    72. TIRITARA 449 AD Fourth Tamil ruler was defeated and slain by Dhatusena within 2 months

    73. DATHIYA 449-452 AD Fifth Tamil ruler – was defeated and slain by Dhatusena after a war lasting 3 years

    74. PITHIYA 452 AD Sixth Tamil ruler

    The latter Anuradhapura Period

    76. KASYAPA 470-488 AD – son of King Dhatusena by a Pallava woman, killed his father and moved his capital from Anuradhapura to Sigiraya. He was later dethroned by his exiled brother, Mogallan, who returned the capital to Anuradhapura

    102. MANAVAMMA 672-707 AD Son of Kassapa I, descendant of Silamegahavanna – In the seventh century A.D., Tamil influence became firmly embedded in the island`s culture when Sinhalese Prince Manavamma seized the throne with Pallava assistance. The dynasty that Manavamma established was heavily indebted to Pallava patronage and continued for almost three centuries. During this time, Pallava influence extended to architecture and sculpture, both of which bear noticeable Hindu motifs.

    Rule of Tamil Pandyas in the Anuradhapura 846-866

    129. RAJADIRAJA THE GREAT 1007-1019 AD Chola (Tamil) Administration

    POLANARUWA PERIOD:

    141. PARAKRAMA BAHU I 1140-1173 AD Grandson of Vijaya Bahu I, Prince of Royal Blood, Pandyan descent, son of Manabharana – Vijaya Bahu`s sister, Mitta and TAMIL PANDIYA PRINCE.

    148. QUEEN LILAVATI/THRILOKASUNTHARI 1184-1187 AD Widow of King Parakrama Bahu I Queen Lilavati belonged to the Pandya line on her father`s side. The country was peaceful and prosperous and the Queen was able to devote her time to the development of literature, music, drama and art. She ruled for three years wisely and well. She was removed from the throne by her co-Ministers

    153. QUEEN LILAVATI 1196-1197 AD – Widow of King Parakrama Bahu She was placed on the throne for the second time by General Camunakka and he ruled the country through her for one year.

    155. QUEEN LILAVATI 1197-1198 AD – Widow of King Parakrama Bahu Ascended the throne for the third time. She was of undiluted Royal blood and a woman of dignity who commanded the respect and admiration of those with whom she came in contact. In the seventh month of her reign King Parakrama of Pandu invaded Lanka and deposed her.

    156. PARAKRAMA PANDIAN (Parakum Pandi) 1198-1201 South Indian Tamil (Pandyan) He ascended the throne deposing Queen Lilavati. He produced himself to be wise and capable monarch who administered justice strictly in accordance with the law of the land.
    Year 1233, The Tamils of Jaffana kingdom, led by a Prince named Chandra Bhanu, son of the ruler of Jaffna, invaded the country in the eleventh year of Panditha Parakrama Bahu`s reign.

    163. CHANDRA BHANU 1270 AD Son of the ruler of Yapa Patuna (Jaffnapatnam) He captured the Fort of Yapahuva but was deprived of his victory by the Pandya Emperor Kulasekera.

    164. PARAKRAMA BAHU III 1270-1275 Nephew of Buvaneka Bahu I, son of Vijaya Bahu IV His mother was a sister of TAMIL Kulasekera Pandiyam. He was established as King of Polonnaruwa. During his reign the island was invaded by a Pandyan army led by one Chakravarti.

    168. VIJAYA BAHU V (Jaya Bahu) 1307 AD Second son of Chandra Banu of Jaffnapatnam Vijaya Bahu was reigning in the north of the Malayan Peninsula, retreated to Anuradhapura, where he met Parakrama bahu IV.

    174. PARAKRAMA BAHU VI 1410-1462 AD Prince named Sepanana (Jayapala) descended from Parakrama Bahu, the third son of Chandra Banu of Yapa Patuna (Jaffnapatnam), and whose mother, Sunethradevi, was a daughter of the daughter of Parakrama Bahu V of Dedigama
    The king had two adopted sons, named Sapumal Kumara and Ambulugala Kumara.

    175. VIRA PARAKRAMA BAHU VII 1462 AD Jaya Bahu son of Parakrama Bahu II`s natural daughter, Ulakudaya Devi (TAMIL) Jaya Bahu, on ascension to the throne assumed the name Vira Parakrama Bahu. He was not allowed to occupy the throne for many days. His uncle Sapumal Kumara hastened to Kotte from Jaffna and put him to death.

    176. BHUVANEKA BAHU VI 1462-1469 AD SENPAKA PERUMAL (Sapumal Kumara) son of Parakrama Bahu VI After putting to death Vira Parakrama Bahu VII, Sapumal Kumara ascended the throne under the title Bhuvaneka Bahu VI.

  230. #211 svinson
    “****Which part you are taking about.****
    The north and east provinces of the Island except Apmara electorate.neither one square inch more nor one square inch less.
    *****what I suggest. is allow everyone to go to any place in Sri lanka and be settled down as they want. either in Jaffna or Colombo any where*****.
    You know IPKF was practically not allowed in to Srilankan soil at least for their defence. They had been constrained in Eelam teritory to face or to do all catastrophe. It is also true finally IPKF was able to get some squre meters in colombo for their war heros tribute.
    An Eelam citizen

  231. 227. Wathsala

    Recently when I visited the leading Pansala in Colombo, the Loku Saadu and a few Podi Saadus told me that I have attained the state of Arahant. I already felt it but they confirmed it after listening to what I said.

    I told them, not to worry about all the monks who died during the war because they have already gained to be a MITHYA DHRUSTY (wronge wission) . After finishing this present life period, they have no other option but go to hell.

    When they heard my words, they were so happy that all those monks who died during the war were equal to zero human.

  232. Genetic affinities of Sri Lankan populations
    Human Biology, by Kshatriya, & Gautam Kumar

    The population of Sri Lanka is heterogeneous and is composed of diverse ethnic groups (Table 1). (Table omitted) It is evident that the Sinhalese are numerically dominant, accounting for 72% of the total population. Next in order of preponderance are the Tamils, who constitute approximately 20% of the total population. Among other groups that inhabit Sri Lanka are the Burghers, Christians, Moors, and Malays–the descendants of culturally, religiously, and ethnically diverse groups who colonized the island from time to time (Table 2). (Table omitted) Finally, there are the Veddahs, the original inhabitants of Sri Lanka, who constitute less than 1% of the total population.

    Sri Lankan populations and the legendary origin of the Sinhalese have generated considerable interest among anthropologists to study and examine mythological and historical records in light of genetic evidence.

    Kirk (1976) and Saha (1988) studied the genetic composition of the population of Sri Lanka to determine the validity of Ceylonese mythology regarding the legendary origin of the Sinhalese people. Although Kirk (1976) found the Sinhalese to be genetically closer to Bengalis and to Indian Tamils to a lesser extent, Saha (1988) failed to recognize any genetic characteristics in the present-day Sinhalese population that are distinct from those of Sri Lankan Tamils. Later, however, Tay and Saha (1989) undertook a more detailed study on gene differentiation and genetic admixture among the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils and found that the Sinhalese have a stronger genetic contribution from the Bengalis of India than from the Sri Lankan Tamils.

    These earlier studies, which focused mainly on the Sinhalese and Tamil population, have oversimplified the historical and mythological records of Sri Lanka. Therefore the degree and the magnitude of foreign admixture might have been compromised. In light of this, the genetic affinities of the Sri Lankan population have been studied after considering a detailed ethnohistorical account of Sri Lanka.

    Materials and Methods

    The present-day Sinhalese, Sri Lankan Tamil, and Veddah populations are considered admixed populations. A number of population groups from northwestern, eastern, and southern India have contributed genes in varying proportions to the contemporary Sri Lankan populations. In addition, many more populations, such as Arabs, Persians, Portuguese, Dutch, and English, enroute along seaways or from India, have also admixed with the local populations at different periods of time. The available information on genetic data of these most likely contributory gene pools is presented in Table 3. (Table omitted) The selection of the populations was made in light of the mythological and ethno historical background of Sri Lanka.

    After careful scrutiny two data sets were selected, and a genetic distance analysis was performed: first, on the basis of 11 population groups

    Sinhalese, Sri Lankan Tamils, Veddahs, Indian Tamils, South Indian Muslims (Andhra Pradesh, Kerala), Gujaratis, Punjabis, West Indian Muslims (Gujarat, Bombay), Bengalis, populations of the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, and Iran), and populations of Europe (United Kingdom, Holland, Denmark) with 40 alleles controlled by 13 polymorphic loci and, second, on the basis of 8 population groups (Sinhalese, Veddahs, Indian Tamils, South Indian Muslims, Gujaratis, Punjabis, West Indian Muslims, and Bengalis) with 43 alleles controlled by 15 polymorphic loci.

    Genetic distances among these populations were computed by Nei`s standard genetic distances (Nei 1972) and their standard errors (SE) using Nei and Roychoudhury`s (1974) method. To determine the significance of genetic distances among the different populations, I compared the gene frequency data pairwise using the chi-square statistic (Nei and Roychoudhury 1974). The distance matrix was then used to construct a phylogenetic tree based on the unweighted pair group method with arithmetic mean (UPGMA) (Li, personal communication, 1988).

    The contribution (%) of ancestral populations to the hybrid populations (Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils) was calculated using the method of Chakraborty (1985, 1986), with each population considered the product of admixture of three parental populations. The parental populations for the Sinhalese have been considered to be the Bengalis, the Indian Tamils, and the Veddahs of Sri Lanka, and the parental populations for the Tamils are considered to be the Sinhalese of Sri Lanka, the Bengalis, and the Indian Tamils.

    Results and Discussion

    Table 4 shows the allelic frequencies of 40 alleles in 11 populations and 43 alleles in 8 populations. (Table omitted)

    Average heterozygosity and genetic differences along with their standard errors among the 11 population groups were estimated using Nei`s standard genetic distance among all pairs of populations (Table 5). (Table omitted) The average heterozygosity varies between 27.4% (Bengalis) and 32.6% (Veddahs). The genetic distances show no significant differentiation, as examined pairwise by the chi-square statistics (Table 6). (Table omitted) However, the dendrogram generated from the genetic distance matrix (Figure 2) reveals an absorbing pattern of clustering. (Figure omitted) It can be seen that the Sinhalese, the Sri Lankan and Indian Tamils, and the South Indian Muslims form one cluster, whereas the Gujaratis, the Punjabis, and the west Indian Muslims form another cluster. These two clusters are distinct and do not show much affinity with the Bengalis, the Veddahs, or the populations of the Middle East and Europe. In fact, the Veddahs are far apart from all the populations.

    The results of a more detailed analysis on the basis of 43 alleles in 8 population groups for average heterozygosity and the genetic distance among all the pairs of populations together with their standard errors are presented in Table 7. (Table omitted) The average heterozygosity varies between 27.9% (Sinhalese) and 32.2% (Veddahs). The genetic distances do not reveal significant differentiation, as examined pairwise by the chi-square statistic (Table 8). (Table omitted) Nevertheless, the dendrogram produced from the genetic distance matrix (Figure 3) and the clustering obtained further strengthen earlier observations. (Figure omitted) It can be seen that the Sinhalese, the Indian Tamils, and the South Indian Muslims form one cluster, whereas the Gujaratis, the Punjabis, and the west Indian Muslims form another, an almost identical clustering to the one observed in Figure 2. Here, too, the Bengalis and the Veddahs are farthest from the Sinhalese.

    Both dendrograms reveal close similarities between the Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils, between the Sinhalese and the Indian Tamils, and between the Sri Lankan Tamils and the Indian Tamils.

    Genetic Admixture.

    Table 9 presents the estimated values of admixture for the two hybrid populations (the Sinhalese and the Tamils) based on 13 polymorphic loci, fitting a trihybrid model using the ancestral frequencies shown in Table 10. (Tables 9 and 10 omitted)

    The Bengalis, the Tamils, and the Veddahs are considered parental populations for the Sinhalese. The Bengali contribution is 25.41%, the Tamil (India) contribution is 69.86%, and the Veddah contribution is only 4.73%. Thus the Sinhalese have a predominantly Tamil (India) contribution followed by the Bengalis and the Veddahs. The fusion of the Veddahs and the Sinhalese was recorded in the ancient chronicles of Sri Lanka (Dipavamsa and Mahavamsa) as early as 543 B.C., but the Veddahs were subsequently pushed to the inhospitable dry zone for a long period of time under pressure from early colonizers.

    By studying the Sri Lankan Tamils, one can see that the Sinhalese, the Bengalis, and the Indian Tamils can be considered ancestral populations. The contribution of the Sinhalese to the Sri Lankan Tamils is 55.20%. Similarly, the Bengali contribution is 28.17% and that of the Indian Tamils is 16.63%. The results indicate a predominant influence of the Sinhalese (who already have a high contribution from the Indian Tamils) and the Bengalis to a lesser extent.

    In conclusion, the original inhabitants of Sri Lanka were the Veddahs, who have had little admixture with the Sinhalese and possibly none with the Tamils. The Veddahs are distinct because they were confined to inhospitable dry zones and were hardly influenced by the neighboring inhabitants. Furthermore, the Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils are an admixed population genetically. The Sinhalese, who first came from northwest India under the leadership of Prince Vijaya in 543 B.C., have received and exchanged a substantial amount of their genes with the populations of northeastern and southern India. The Sinhalese and the Tamils have no contribution from the population groups of northwest India. In fact, the contribution made by Prince Vijaya and his small band of 700 companions to the original pool of the Sinhalese must have been eliminated by the long-standing contribution (over 2000 years) of the population groups of northeastern and southern India.

    Furthermore, although there is a noteworthy contribution from the Bengalis (northeast India) to the present-day Sinhalese, the Tamil (South India) contribution predominates. The contribution from the populations of northeast India were diluted, probably because the Indian influence on the Sinhalese after the eighth century A.D. became predominantly South Indian (Raghavan 1964). Thus the Sinhalese of Sri Lanka are genetically more similar to the Tamils of Sri Lanka and India, who were always in close proximity with each other historically, linguistically, geographically, and culturally.

    Acknowledgments: I am extremely grateful to Ranajit Chakraborty (University of Texas, Houston), ……..

  233. 213. M.Sivananthan  
    To prove TAMIL or Sinhala our History pandits forget KERALA which is the main contributor in the making of Sri Lanka.
    232 M.Sivananthan & #226 SOLI

    I f that is correct, Sinhala would have become a race only after the 13th century as Malayalam eveolved as a distinc race only around that period.
    Karintamil-3100BCE-100B CE
    Old Malayalam-100 BCE-325 CE
    Middle Malayalam-325CE-1425 CE
    Modern Malayalam 1425 CE-Malayalam seems to have established itself as a language separate from classical Tamil and Sanskrit by this point in time

    Like our Mathematics(Physics or Biology) Professors say
    if
    M derives from T, and
    S derives from M
    S would have the attributes of both T & M

  234. 240. Liyanage

    Your explanation accepted. This is closer look at my own mindset. I never celebrate another man dead.

    I never justify LTTE killings as you justify ‘The civilian deaths are inevitable in a war especially when the guerilla tactics are being deployed’. (Even after watching those videos ,still you belive?)

    There is big difference in responsibility and the way you fought the war in between Guerilla fighters and State army( Please stop behaving like ‘you don’t know any things’) Finaly who killed the most innocent Tamils?

    I was worried for 50,000 Sinhala youths killed on the name of JVP.They were brutaly killed and burnt by ‘tayers’ or bodies thrown in to the river of Kalani. No one can justify civilian killings.

    Our Political system and main 2 rulling parties misused the power and the army . what we are discussing here is what are the root causes for this? and how to uproot this unjustice,undemocratic,undecipline political tactics? First step this article , still many steps we need to take towards to the ‘real paradise’

    Here is the proof- That YOUR tamil invader V.Prabhakaran, the leader of the Tamil Tigers which has been proscribed as a terrorist organisation in US . However Tamil Tigers observed by them differently is prove the gap of the terrorism and resistance movement.
    ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W88hMlUmQaE)
    Otherwise whay this Norwegian Deputy Foreign Minister and other diplomats having dialog with him?
    (http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=10436)

    You are not wasting your time but you are setting yourself as an good example. Like J.L Devananda we don’t allow anyone to call even single SrilankanTamil as ‘Tamil Invader’ . “United we stand, divided we fall”. If we allow you ,gradually some others generalise and misinterprete your statement ‘Tamils as invader’ and ‘History repeating’ in future.

    Thats why I made my statement very clear.You took it as personal. But that is exactly your problem. You tend to attack individual by generalise this (Mahavamsa) topic.

    But, before you put your nose in one subject better take a closer look of your objective! -END.

  235. #240, LIYANAGE:

    Then why did UNP Sinhalese help a Tamil invader ? Can you tell why LTTE went against India?

    Anthony:
    Chelvanayakam did not change his religion. That may be the problem for the Tamils who are 90% Hindus and have common beliefs with Sinhala Buddhists!

    Did the Tamils catch a wrong wine?

    Why are you all silent on the Tamil Pallava origin of Bhikku Mahanama? I think it will destroy the current hate of Mahavansa or love of Mahavansa!

  236. Soli:
    You blamed me that I am blabbering. Now I know well you know nothing about Kerala or its Royal History.

    Tamils and Sinhalese now have no ROYAL houses. That is the problem. Both of them use OLD history for the current politics!

  237. 247. Thiru

    I celebrated Prabhakaran’s death just as I did for Wijeweera’s. The only difference is one was Tamil and the other was Sinhalese.

    I have no sympathy for all the LTTE’ers and JVP’ers who were killed but I feel sorry for the innocent victims those who did not belong any of these groups whether they are Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims or any other.

    Yes, there is a big responsibility for armed forces but at times they are left with little or no choice when they are being attacked hiding behind civilian establishments. The question you should really be asking is “Why did LTTE kill tamils?” after all if you say “United we stand, divided we fall”.

    I agree that successive governments in Sri Lanka did not address the issue properly. But taking up arms against a democratically elected government and its civilians is not the way to go. This has been proved ineffective time and time again. What has Prabhakaran achieved after nearly 3 decades of war?

    I do not believe the articles published in Tamilnet as I have personally experienced that it is not a reliable source rather total fabrication of news. Even after Prabhakaran’s death they were still publishing articles saying that he was still alive and safe. http://tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=29430

    By the way I did not take it personally with remarks such as “Balankoda man or Ankoda man”. Anyway, thank you for the discussion.

  238. Sinhalese held there own against many invading forces by hook or crook, Until Europeans started building empires,… sigh,… Nobody can dispute that,….

  239. One Example of how Dr. Paranavitana twisted and misinterpreted the History

    This is what Dr. Senarath Paranavithana said in his celebrated work ‘SINHALAYO’ (Page 9), about SENA & GUTTHIKA:

    (Quote) ‘The first Dravidian attack on Ceylon recorded in the Chronicles is said to have been led by Sena and Guttika, described as merchant mariners who dealt in horses. They appear to have come direct from the Sindhu region, which was noted in ancient days for its fine breed of horses’ (End Q).

    Paranavithana’s above statement then led to another raw of arguments among scholars how Demalas could have come from Sindhu region, which was not known for them at the time, but for fine breeds of horses to date. As such, some Historians still argue that Sena and Gutthika are not Demalas.

    There is hardly any evidence to suggest that Sena and Guttika were invaders.

    It is only Dr. Paranavitana who raised this issue of Guttika and Sena coming straight from Sindh. In fact he raised another unfounded theory which does not have any takers among the Historians. He tried to portray the Dravidians as invaders to S.India conquering Aryan settlements there. No evidence available or no one supports that invention. It is well established by the Indian historians that Dravidians are the ones who were pushed to the South by the Aryans.

    This is utter nonsense. What type of logic is this? If the fine breeds of horses come from Sindhu region, the horse trader/merchant should also be from there.
    Jaffna produces the finest/best mangoes. Mohideen from Galle, a leading trader/dealer in Colombo sends his son Mubarak to bring the mangoes and distribute them in the Colombo market. According to Dr. Senarath Paranavithana’s logic, both Mohideen and Mubarak should be from Jaffna because the finest mangoes come from there.

    This is what Geiger’s translation say, (Quote) ‘ Two Damilas, SENA and GUTTIKA, sons of a freighter who brought horses hither,’ conquered the king Süratissa, and reigned twenty two years justly. But when ASELA had overpowered them, the son of Mutasiva, the ninth among his brothers, born of the same mother, he ruled for ten years onward from that time in Anuradhapura’ (End Q)

    It should be pointed out that Sena & Guttika themselves were not horse traders but were sons of a horse trader. Mahavansa calls them ‘Asnavika’ in Pali.

    Unfortunately, ‘assanavika’, literally means ‘horse-sailor’, has been translated as ‘a freighter who brought horses hither’, allowing room for one to imply that he was a trader from overseas. But ‘assanvika’ refers to a freighter (in the sense of a ship or cargo owner) who dealt in horses. And yet present-day historians have assumed that the two rulers were invaders from South India. This is an example of prejudice’.

    Dougla Bullis’ translation of Mahavamsa says,
    “Then two very powerful Damilas, Sena and Guttika, the sons of a horse-shipper, seized Suratissa, the Ruler of the Earth, and reigned twenty-two years, justly”.

    Regarding Damilas or Damidas, in addition to Sri Lankan sources, there are many other independent inscriptions in India including that of Amaravati (Damila-vaniya), and Asoka where Damila or Dameda had been used. The Asoka inscriptions, the Akitti Jataka (Tamil Country-Damila rattha), the. Mahavamsa (Ch. XXXV DamilaDevi) are some of them. Among the army of the Sri Lankan kings there existed a Damila-adhikaran, meaning possibly to the head of a Tamil Battalion of the King not necessarily an ‘invader battalion’. That brings us to believe that Damida/Damila refers to the Tamils.

    When the Portuguese arrived in Sri Lanka in the early 16th century, they not only had the power of the gun, but it was a strong force backed by a country/government and they had their own army. As soon as they arrived, they quickly made an end to the Kotte kingdom in the South and the Jaffna kingdom in the North.

    How can two Damelas (Horse traders) Sena and Guttika invade, conquer and rule the Island for 22 years without any force (an army) if Tamils were not living in the country to support them?

    Can a Sinhalese do the same thing to Tamil Nadu and rule those Tamils for 22 years?
    The people helped them because they were also a part of them, Damelas.

    These are the people (Dr. Senarath Paranavithana) who misinterpreted and re-wrote the His-story of Sri Lanka and changed the history of the country.

  240. Paranawithana twisted the story of ELLARA by telling the Thakuna maluwa of A’Pura was in memory of Gemunu.

    But he failed to explain why the people of Rajarata carried a tradition for 2500 years and believed it was the tomb of Elara.

    Paranawithana was the only fool found the name of a person from the ashes through a carbon dating.

    Sinhala racism was promoted and destroyed the cultural traditions of Sri Lanka.

    At the same time Tamils never visited or respected the tomb of Ellara.

    The English/Church educated Sinhalese are the worse people than the ordinary Sinhalese. They are still trying to destroy the “TAMIL” connections at the state expense.

    Sinhalese always try to separate from Tamils. Then why do Sinhalese want a UNITED LANKA while destroying HISTORIACAL FACTS of Tamils?

  241. 237. Saman

    “I just cannot understand why the majority of the people never question Mahawamsa but simply act as gullible. They will take whatever given in Mahawansa as the gospel. They take only the literal meaning of terms.”

    Prejudiced mids cannot understand anything properly, that is why you cannot understand it. Tell me frankly whether you have read the Mahawansa before you start bashing it? Do you have a proper understanding of it?

    Preconceived uninformed notions that are advantageous to you is the reason for your not understanding it, not the majorities fault or the fault of the Mahawansa. Come out biases and see the things with a free mind, you also will realize that what you are doing is done with ignorance.

    I don’t think even 1% of the Mahavansa bashesrs have even seen the cover page of it.

    Ignorance is bliss!

    Thanks!

  242. Yapa the kid,

    Do you know anything about Mahavamsa? Have you ever seen its cover page? Do you know why it was written? Do you know the background of its author? If you know at least 1% of Mahavamsa, can you answer the controversies raised by this author?

    What you are doing is, instead of providing counter arguments to this articles, you are simply asking more and more questions exposing your ignorance in public. We do not want questions, we want answers to the controversial issues raised here.

    People are calling you a stupid and made you the clown of the blog and most of them are ignoring you (mental case) because you are raising more and more silly (childish) questions instead of coming up with counter arguments.

    My advice to you is, first read the two articles and then, find a copy of the Mahavamsa and read it and then try to dissect and nullify the arguments raised here. May be you drink a lot of milk and grow up soon to do all what I have said.

    Good luck kid!

  243. 254. M.Sivananthan

    “Sinhalese always try to separate from Tamils. Then why do Sinhalese want a UNITED LANKA while destroying HISTORIACAL FACTS of Tamils?”

    I don’t understand what this person is trying to tell. Is it Sinhalese who are destroying facts? Is it Sinhalese who are trying to destroy the established facts of the Mahawansa? Was it a Sinhalese said that Dutugemunu was not a Sinhalese?

    When a person says something in hatred he does not know what he is telling. Just hatred cannot change realities. Caravan will proceed disregarding the howls and barks of the night. Only the barking and howling mouths get will tired at the dawn.

    Thanks!

  244. 253. Pong-Ping

    There was a strong voice for JVP in the south (especially his electorate of Hambanthota) during that period and Mahinda Rajapakse tried to gain political advantage. I do not condone his actions then unlike most of your lot who blindly backed Prabhakaran for every step of the way even justifying suicide bombings and child soldiers.

    You are entitled to your opinion in relation to State Terrorism but tell me which country in the world has classified Sri Lanka as a “State of Terrorism”?

    248. M. Sivananthan

    Why did UNP Sinhalese help a Tamil invader?

    Some UNP’ers, not all of them. The answer is political stability. Some of them including Ranil Wicramasinghe did not believe that the war could be won. So they tried to do something similar to what King Kavanthissa supposedly did?

    Can you tell why LTTE went against India? Please direct this question to a LTTE supporter.

  245. its a shame to read so many inflammatory and hate comments based on race and relegion. I am pleading to all humans ‘we are one human race’. Please mature beyound your short shighted race & relegion. Religion is to follow by faith and should be a guidance for a human to achieve a better life with understanding and maturity.

    To all who lack peace in their hearts may these verses bring peace in to their hearts.
    1 Corinthians 13:4-8; Love is patient and kind.
    Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and
    it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. There are three things that will endure:
    faith, hope, and love– and the greatest of these is love.

    Amen!!

  246. Soli (#226) and others interested in Lankan-Kerala matters should keep in touch with my friend Mr. Rahulan – formerly of the Parlimentary staff. He is now with President Rajapakses entourage while visiting Tamil areas and functions where Tamils attend in numbers. The affable Rahulan acts now as Translator and is competent in Sinhala, Tamil and Malayalam. He lives around the Dematagoda area and takes much interest in the affairs of the Narayana Guru Society at Prince of Wales Av – Opposite the Sugathadasa Stadium.. He is also a senior member of the Kerala Samajam of SL.

    ISS

  247. 256. Saman

    “What you are doing is, instead of providing counter arguments to this articles, you are simply asking more and more questions exposing your ignorance in public. We do not want questions, we want answers to the controversial issues raised here.”

    You want to go unquestioned? To break pots in an abandoned house? You may not know, but theories are wrong when they cannot answer relevant questions. It seems you want uninterrupted fantasy theories to overjoy your people to accept them and to push them to achieve your ill conceived target, breaking this country into pieces. That is the ultimate motive of your false theories, that is why you don’t like questioning your contradictory fallacy ridden fantasies as they loose their credibility among your ignorant target group.

    If theories are sound, theoreticians must take questions as a positive contribution to their theories. You all are not and hence your theories are nothing but absurds.

    Thanks!

  248. 242. Ping Pong

    Do you know the difference between RACE and ETHNICITY?

    All those kings an queens you have mentioned might have had some racial blood of Tamils. But all of them are Sinhalese by ethnicity. They were brought up in a Sinhalese Buddhist culture and they were non other than Sinhalese in their ethnicity.

    Race is not a criteria to identify a nation. If so, USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Iran, all must be a single nation. The basis for a nation is its common geographical heritage, common culture , common values and common law to mention some. Tamils whose geographical base being south India, had no any of the above qualification in Sri Lanka though some of the royal family members had Tamil racial blood.

    This claim of Eelamists is a race based theory that has no any validity in any community beyond tribal societies. Only Tribal societies were based on race. We should call these theories not “RACIST THEORIES” but “TRIBAL THEORIES”, any one in the civilized world has no acceptance. The people who advocate them should be called tribal racists, what other names they deserve?

    Thanks!

  249. When the Portuguese arrived in Ceylon for the first time as traders, Vira Parakrama Bahu (1484-1509) was the king of Kotte, Senasammata Vikrama Bahu (1469-1511) was the king of the Hill country and Pararajasekeran (1469-1511) was the king of the Tamil kingdom.

    In 1551, first the Portuguese took over the kingdom of Kotte, and later they took the Tamil throne of the Jaffna kingdom. The last king of Jaffna Cankli Kumaran, fought decisively with the Portuguese forces under the command of Filipe De Oliveriya. At Vannarponnai, Cankli Kumaran s forces were defeated. The Tamil kingdom came under Portuguese domination in 1621, and this was how the Tamils lost their sovereignty, independence and their traditional homeland.

    By 1658 the entire maritime regions of the country came under the domination of the Portuguese, except for the Kandyan kingdom, which remained an independent entity.

    The last four Tamil kings of Kandy begins with SRI VIJAYA RAJA SINGHA (1739-1747) and ends with SRI VIKRAMA RAJA SINGHA (798-1815). In 1739 there were neither Kotte Kingdom nor Jaffna kingdom. In 1739 the Dutch were ruling Kotte and Jaffna.

    During that period, a few Tamil areas such as Trincomalee, Anuradapura, Batticaloa, Ampara and a part of Mannar were under the Kandyan Kingdom and not Jaffna Kingdom but that does not mean that Anuradapura, Trincomalee, Mannar, Batticaloa and Ampara were Sinhala areas occupied by the Sinhalese. These are all Tamil areas occupied by Tamils from ancient time. Irrespective of what kingdom they came under, they are all part of Tamil homeland.

    There is no evidence what so ever to prove that the Sinhalese lived in the North and East until independence. Only once in the entire history, a Sinhala prince from the South (half Tamil) Sapumal Kumaraya ruled the Northern Kingdom. The Buddhist remains in the North and East are the remnants left by the Tamil Buddhists and not anybody else. You cannot find a single Sinhala person or family claiming NorthEast province as habitancy or origin? All those Sinhalese who live in the NE province today are those settled by the government after the independence (1948) under the colonization scheme. If you ask them, each one of them will say that their grandfather or great grandfather is from down south, where as the Sri Lankan Tamils hail from the NE province and proudly proclaim the fact. The Sinhalese are the majority only in their region (SouthWest). The Tamils are also a majority in their region (NorthEast) which nobody can deny. Some early historians assumed that Sinhalese would have lived in the North but today it is very clear that their assumptions were wrong. The Sinhalese are trying to twist, turn and manipulate the place names (Etymology) of NE to say they are Sinhala names. They are even trying to prove that the Buddhist remains in the NE, the remnants left by the ancient Tamil Buddhists belonged to the Sinhalese. Unfortunately today there is neither Tamil Buddhists nor Buddhism in Sri Lanka. It is monopolized by the Sinhalese and they call it Sinhala-Buddhism which is Theravada Buddhism (Tripitaka) mixed up with Mahavamsa which is actually a violent barbaric form of Buddhism where killing Tamils is a part of the Sinhala (Mahavamsa) Buddhist scriptures created by its author Ven. Mahanama.

    J.L.Devananda should be highly appreciated for doing an excellent research and analysis on this and putting it in simple terms for anyone and everyone to clearly understand.

  250. 257. yapa

    ***I don’t understand what this person is trying to tell.***
    Sure, you have to grow up.

    ***Is it Sinhalese who are destroying facts?***
    Yes, right from 12th CAD when they came into existence by amalgamating with many tribes.

    ***Is it Sinhalese who are trying to destroy the established facts of the Mahawansa?***
    The established facts were turned, twisted and manipulated by the Sinhalese and sealed. The above articles give enough evidence.

    ***Was it a Sinhalese said that Dutugemunu was not a Sinhalese?***
    Dutugemunu was NEVER a Sinhalese, it is the Sinhalese who are either lying or ignorant about it. The author has exposed it, now it is your turn to prove it if you have any evidence.

    ***When a person says something in hatred he does not know what he is telling.***
    That is exactly what the Sinhalese had been doing.

    ***Just hatred cannot change realities.***
    Tell that to your fellow Sinhalese.

    ***Caravan will proceed disregarding the howls and barks of the night. Only the barking and howling mouths get will tired at the dawn.***
    Exactly, this is what we have to tell you.

  251. The following are FACTS,

    1. The last king of Ceylon was a TAMIL BLOODED, TAMIL SPEAKING KING.

    2. The Crown Queen of Kandy was a Tamil blooded and Tamil speaking queen.

    3. The court language of Kandiyan Kingdom was TAMIL.

    4. One Third of the Signatories, the Chieftains of the Kandiyan Convention signed ONLY IN TAMIL and other THREE signed in TAMIL and SINHALA.
    The leading Kandiyan Sinhalese Lords or Dissawas including Ehelepola, Pilimatalawe, Ratwatte, and so on have signed their names in Tamil in the Kandiyan Treaty.

    If the Tamil Kandyan King adopted the sinhalese culture, then there is no reason why the Top Sinhala aristocrats such as Pilimatalawe Senior, Pilimatalawe Junior, Ehelepola, Ratwatte, and so on should learn to speak and write Tamil or rather sign an important treaty concerning the country and Religion in Tamil???
    The Last Four Kings & Rulers of Kandy, Sri Lanka were Tamils from the Nayakkar Dynasty in Madurai, Tamil Nadu. The last king’s original name was Kannasamy, I wonder how the Tamils (considered as invaders) were invited and made the rulers of these Great Sinhalayas.

    1. SRI VIJAYA RAJA SINGHA 1739-1747 AD – Brother-in-law of King Narendra Singha ? Narendra Singha’s first wife’s brother, from Madurai, Tamil Nadu, ascended the throne of Kandy, as Sri Vijaya Raja Singha. He came from the line of Vijayanagar kings of South India and henceforth filled the Sinhala throne.

    2. KIRTI SRI RAJA SINGHA 1747-1782 AD – Sri Vijaya Raja Singha’s wife’s eldest brother from Madurai, Tamil Nadu – The second of the South Indian line. He was a tender young man when he succeeded his brother-in-law, and it was not until the year 1751 that he ascended the throne as Kirti Sri Raja Singha.

    3. SRI RAJADHI RAJA SINGHA 1782-1798 AD ? Brother of Kirthi Sri Raja Singha – Ascended the throne as Sri Rajadhi Raja Singha having come from Madurai, South India while still a child. He was raised as a Kandyan and was a brilliant pupil of the chief prelate of the Malwatte Temple at that time.

    4. SRI VIKRAMA RAJA SINGHA 1798-1815 AD – Son of a sister of King Rajadhi Raja Singha’s Queen Upendramma – (beginning of British Colonial era). Sri Vickrama Raja Singha, who ascended the throne was known as Prince Kannasamy, whose father was Venkata Perumal who died before the child was born. The widow, Subhamma, and her son, Kannasamy, came to Lanka on the invitation of her sister, Queen Upendramma, Queen of King Rajadhi Rajasinghe.
    He was captured by the British and taken prisoner with his Queen Venkata angammal.

  252. ***Legend has it that the Sinhalese are descended from a lion. Sinha stands for the lion that abducted a princess by whom he had two children. The son, Sinhabahu, found life in a lion s cave irksome, and stole away with his mother and his sister. The enraged lion began to ravage the area and it was only his son who was able to kill him. Then the boy married his sister, who might have made for a happy ending, had not their son Vijaya proved dissolute. He was sent with his followers into exile on a boat, which grounded in Sri Lanka.***

    The Lion symbolizes the origin of the Sinhala people (Lion Nation). Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would be so ashamed to mention this type of story as their origin to any living soul. Bestiality, parricide, incest, wantonness and betrayal may not seem an auspicious beginning for a race but we are talking about the Sinhalese here, do they tell this story of sex with animal and with a brother and sister to their children?
    It is Great to be a Sinhala from the Lion Nation.

  253. #257 Yapa,

    *****Is it Sinhalese who are trying to destroy the established facts of the Mahawansa?*****

    Please refer my comment above about the origin of the Sinhala race, These are the established facts of the Mahawansa which you can tell your children.

    We will not destroy such beautiful and established facts about the Sinhalese, The origin of the Sinhala people, sex with animal and with a brother and sister, becoming convicted criminals and exile on a boat that landed in Lanka and everything was pre-planned by Buddha.

    We love to hear such wonderful stories, how the Sinhala race originated.

  254. 82. Nightfox aka Asgar Hussein

    Asalamalaikum Warahmatullah Wabarakatuhu!

    Once upon a time I was very proud that one of the members of my community has become one of the famous English writers and poet in Sri Lanka. In fact I was eagerly waiting to buy a copy of your short story book “The Mirror of Paradise” when I go to Sri Lanka during my next summer vacation.

    Unfortunately you are spoiling your good name by engaging in CHEAP polemics by aligning yourself with some of the well known cheap polemicists in Sri Lanka such as your beloved guru the mathematics professor Nalin De Silva (University of Kelaniya). I have seen Prof. De Silva quoting your name and your famous dental morphological theory (American anthropologist Dr. Dane Hawkey’s unpublished Ph.D thesis ‘Out of Asia: Dental Evidence for Affinities and Microevolution of Early Populations from India/Sri Lanka’ using inappropriately small sample to argue the Sinhalese antecedents of the Megalithic remains and Dane Hawkey herself mentions that her findings are tentative at best and that her sample of dental morphology was too small to be established as conclusive) even in his articles what he writes to the Island review on every Wednesdays. Prof. De Silva became a university teacher not to teach mathematics but to promote ‘Jathika Chinthanaya’ among those innocent students and create hatred towards non-Sinhala Buddhist minorities to which you and I belong. Today, not only your beloved guru but also his humble followers like Patali Champika Ranawaka have gone to the extent of saying; the Muslims should worship not mythical Allah but our Sinhalese Buddhist kings who have provided them shelter and helped them to settle in Eastern province.

    Do you know that you are trying to resemble these cheap polemicists who became genius by using difficult words (crooked method) to show that they convey a very deep meaning so that many will prevent arguing with them? Most of their arguments are based on quotations taken out of context or rather misquoted and that is exactly what you are also doing, twisting and manipulating to misguide others using highly ambiguous language.

    People like Professor Nalin De Silva have FAILED to excel in his chosen fields, but succeeded in CHEAP polemics. My advice to you is, concentrate on your work (chosen field) in which you are an expert (English poetry and Short stories) instead of trying to become popular by following people who have failed and do not spoil your good name and future.

  255. #257 yapa:
    where is the tomb of Elara now? How did a tomb of Gemunu appear after 1956?

    King Gemunu asked the people of Rajarata to pay homage to the fallen Tamil King Ellara. People of Rajarata followed the King Gemunu until Paranawithana fooled every one.

    Are the people of Rajarata still respect the words of Gemunu and pay homage to the tomb of Ellara or simply stopped thinking Gemunu was a fool to pay homage to a Tamil?

    But why all of you keep your mouth shut on the origins of Bhikku Mahanama? It is hard for all racists in both sides to accept the truth that Mahanama was a TAMIL.

    Truth is a casuality in the post colonial era.

    “Lokaa Samastha Sukhino Bhanathu”.

  256. Dear DBSJ

    Comment 258 is my reply to comments 248 & 253. I thought I typed my name but my apologies if I hadn’t. There is no reason to hide my identity.

  257. Yapa,

    “If theories are sound, theoreticians must take questions as a positive contribution to their theories. You all are not and hence your theories are nothing but absurds.”

    I have no intention to argue with Nut cases like you, the best thing is to ignore jokers but let me tell you that Devananda’s articles do not have any theories, he is only giving answers to all your absurd theories. You have to only argue against them if you have enough evidence, not ask questions and show your ignorance.

    “All those kings an queens you have mentioned might have had some racial blood of Tamils. But all of them are Sinhalese by ethnicity. They were brought up in a Sinhalese Buddhist culture and they were non other than Sinhalese in their ethnicity.”

    What you are saying is pure assumption, there is no proof what so ever. The articles clearly explain how these assumptions were made. Why don’t you prove what you said by coming up with some evidence? Where is the proof for what you are claiming? What makes you think that a Buddhist should always be a Sinhalese? Do you know that the Tamil Buddhists have contributed a lot in compiling the Tripitaka?

    Regarding Nation, the article says when and who made the Sinhalese a Nation. According to your theory, we have only Sri Lankan nation and nothing else.

    Stop jabbering nonsense and start finding answers to counter argue all the points raised by Devananda with some evidence if you can instead of asking stupid questions which already have clear answers in the articles. Some people do not have the capacity to read/learn and you are the best example. Do not waste your time if you do not how to read and understand things and do not expect others to read/quote for you, instead do something that you are capable of doing. Enough said, I do not think people are going to waste their time even reading your stupid comments anymore. Do not simply waste the cyber space, it is meant for some valuable purpose and not to entertain your gibberish/rubbish.

  258. #51 Leela and others

    ******Prof Tikiri Abeyasinghe had shown that after serving as viceroy at Goa for 7 years as President of the India Council in Lisbon around 1626, the Count of Vidigueira believed that the inhabitants of Jaffna were Sinhalese. Mr. Devananda; does that mean Jaffna was occupied by Sinhalas.*********

    Those chingalaz and these chingalaz
    (The colonials called the Sinhalese as chingalaz and Tamils as Malabars)

    Professor Nalin De Silva has said the following in the 17 August 2010 Island article, ‘KP and the new Tamil politics’;
    “Tamil had never been an official language in any part of the country and, as late Mr. Gamini Iriyagolle has shown, the pact between the Portuguese and the Arya Chakravarthi King in Jaffna had been drafted in Sinhala and Portuguese and not in Tamil!”

    First, this is not the trump he imagines it to be. It’s not something Mr. Gamini Iriyagolla has ‘shown’. It’s what Fernão de Queiros has written in his ‘Temporal and Spiritual conquest of Ceylon’. It’s in page 371;

    “These terms [written] in the Portuguese and the Chingala languages, were signed and authenticated and the Prince was handed over and sent in a ship with the Modeliar in good custody…..”

    Mr. Gamini Iriyagolla has just quoted Queiros. He has not shown that the pact was in Sinhalese and Portuguese through original research. In fact Queiros is the only source which refers to this pact. According to Temporal and Spiritual conquest of Ceylon, the King of Jaffna promises under this pact to pay the Portuguese a tribute;

    “That the King of Jafanapatao shall remain in his Kingdom as before, swearing according to his rites, vassalage to the King of Portugal with a tribute of 12’ tuskers and 1,200 patacas:…” (page 371)

    According to the dateline of Temporal and Spiritual
    Conquest of Ceylon, this pact was signed a goodish while before 1571, because 1571 was the year in which, according to the same, the King’s son who was handed over to the Portuguese as hostage for fulfilling Jaffna’s part of the pact, died in Goa.

    Professor Tikiri Abeyasinghe in his ‘Jaffna under the Portuguese’ has clearly shown that Jaffna only began to pay a regular tribute to Portugal at some point between 1574 and 1582. Let me quote the relevant part;
    “Jaffna becomes tributary.

    With increasing awareness of the importance of Jaffna, the Portuguese sought to bring that kingdom under their authority. This they succeeded in doing, in stages. First they made that kingdom a tributary. Exactly when this happened is not clear, but it is certain that by 1582, the year in which the first standing orders (regimentos) for the Portuguese fort of Mannar were issued, the ruler of Jaffna had begun to pay a regular, annual tribute of ten elephants or their money-value to the Portuguese at Mannar.”

    In the footnote below that paragraph Prof. Abeyasinghe says;
    “Note that when Antonio de Abreu prepared his Orcamento (Financial Statement) of the Portuguese possession in the East in 1574, he did not record any tribute against Jaffna, Studia (Lisboa 1959) vol. 4 ff. 169-281.
    Clearly no regular tribute was due from Jaffna in the year 1574.”

    Even if you disregard the above data, after all a pact may have existed and not honoured, Prof Abeyasinghe simply categorises the
    “These terms [written] in the Portuguese and the Chingala languages, …..”
    on page 371 of ‘Temporal and Spiritual conquest of Ceylon’ as an error on Queiros’ part.

    It is in pages 24, 25, 26, 27 of his book that Prof Abeyasinghe categorises the frequent references in Queiros’ work to Chingalas in Jaffna as errors. (Which they must be because the way Queiros tells it, there are Chingalas under every bush and in every culvert in 16th Century Jaffna, which simply could not have been.)

    The build up to the relevant portions of Jaffna under the Portuguese, which I am going to now quote is this; Lancarote de Seixas suggests in 1630, that Portuguese casados should be settled in Jaffna on a large scale and the lands there distributed among them. Goa refers this proposal to Lisbon. Lisbon consults two old Asia hands on them, one of them with a decade of experience as a captain in many parts of the island.

    Then Lisbon makes its decision and that decision …is
    “founded on natural justice and ….also on misintelligence”
    “A principal factor they took into consideration in arriving at their decision was the possibility that the implementation of the two proposals would lead to rebellion. This is clear from a statement in their letter of 15th march 1634 “…se nāo deve fazer novidade….porque de outro modo escandalizar junta tanta gente e de animos tāo inquietos e pouco fieis…” (no innovation ought to be tried…because otherwise people of such restless spirit and little faith will be scandalized…) But in referring to people of restless spirit and little faith, the Lisbon authorities were thinking of the Sinhalese of the Kotte Lands and not of the Tamils of Jaffna, as the phrase “como sāo os chingalas” (as are the Sinhalese) which follows the extract quoted above makes clear. Three decades of rebellion in the Kotte lands had implanted among the Lisbon authorities a wholesome fear of attempting anything likely to cause unrest among the Sinhalese. To that fear and to the misintelligence among the Lisbon authorities that Jaffna was inhabited by the Sinhalese, the Jaffna mudaliyars owed their survival.”

    And in a footnote Prof. Tikiri Abeyasinghe says;
    “Such misintelligence was not confined to Lisbon. The Count of Vidigueira, after serving as viceroy at Goa for 7 years (in two terms) and after a term as President of the India Council in Lisbon, still believed in 1626 that the inhabitants of Jaffna were Sinhalese. ANTT Doc. Rem. Livro 24 doc 18 (no folio numbers) Even Fernão de Queiros’ work was not free from this error. See pp. 357, 361, 366, 371 etc.”

    Is Professor Nalin de Silva making an embarrassing exhibition of his lack of awareness of our historiography when he plays this card; or is he merely choosing to place his money on Queiros instead of on Professor Abeyasinghe?
    If Professor Nalin de Silva were to read ‘Jaffna under the Portuguese’ together with some background information, many things would become clear to him. One of the first things to become clearer would be the nature and character of the Jaffnese, at the time of the Portuguese advent, which point as we all know lies at the centre of one of the uniquely distinctive and defining areas of the professor’s belief system; holding as it does that the Jaffnese were mostly Sinhalese at this point of time; (which belief he has reiterated by the way, in Divaina, Sunday, 02 January 2011).

    “The defence arrangements the Portuguese made for Jaffna were greatly influenced by the assessment made by the leading Portuguese officials in that kingdom on the nature and character of the native inhabitants of Jaffna. Oliveira considered the Jaffna man as generally passive or weak (fraco). His successor as captain-major, Lancarote de Seixas, came to the same conclusion: he found the Jaffna man “quiet and mild, without any military training” and therefore unlikely to rebel unless instigated by outsiders. To them, the post-conquest history of Jaffna bore this out clearly. Luis de Freitas de Macedo, with many years of experience in Jaffna, came to a similar conclusion about the Jaffna man’s nature, as did the chronicler Fernāo de Queiros, basing himself on the observations of those who knew Jaffna well. The result of this assessment was that in Jaffna fortification was begun later, proceeded more slowly, and when it was completed, Jaffna, for its population and area, had fewer forts than was the case in the southern territories the Portuguese held in the island.”– Chapter 3, Jaffna under the Portuguese

    Definitely not the people of little faith and restless spirit the Lisbon authorities had believed in 1634 to be in Jaffna, based on their misintelligence, which had persisted, even after their consultations on the Casado settlement issue with two old Asia hands; one of them with at least a decade of experience as a captain in many parts of the island.
    The second thing, which would tend to hit one between the eyes with the force of clarity, after reading this book, is the realization that the ethnographic aspect of the collective identity of the Jaffnese, at this particular point of time, was not sufficiently distinct and separate from that inhabiting the rest of the island, namely that of the Chingalaz; so that, when an outsider such as the Portuguese happens on the scene, it (that is, the ethnographic aspect of the collective identity of the Jaffnese) is not capable of leaving a clear, separate and distinctive imprint on the collective consciousness of the outsider; so that classification glitches appear not only on their official missives, but also on the narrative pages of that unusually perceptive and eminently citable Jesuit chronicler Fernao de Queiros.

    Queiros uses the word Chingalaz almost as a substitute for Jaffnese; that is even when the word demanded by the context obviously is ‘Jaffnese’, he uses ‘Chingalaz’
    “… but when they saw the course (of the ships) they posted men on the way as best as they could and the Prince of Jafanapatao instructed a Chingala and he came to have speech with the Viceroy and…”

    When two Portuguese scouts land in Jaffna to ‘case the joint’, they are immediately surrounded by ….you guessed it …the Chingalaz.

    “… others already blamed the viceroy for a sluggard for not sending some to discover these rat-traps (as D. Antonio de Noronha called them). Two sailors both brave men, Pero Travacos, a native of Cochim, and Braz de Couto of Truquel in the Boroughs of Alcobaca, offered to go and discover them. They landed with all precaution, but were at once surrounded by the Chingalaz within sight of the Manchua in which they went and by the dawn watch there came a letter from the Prince (brought) by a Christian sailor who had been a prisoner there after a shipwreck, in which he said that if the Chingala whom he had sent should be killed, he would also kill the Portuguese. But that if he were set free, they would be restored. Here some voted that the Chingala should be hanged, little caring for the lives of the two Portuguese worthy of a better reward. Others (as if it were necessary) made a subtle distinction between deceit and trickery, (saying) that the Chingala was only trickish and deserved praise rather than punishment. ..”

    On page 363, we meet for the first time 12 modeliares, who have just excited the king’s wrath. And when we meet them again on page 366, they are 12 Chingala heads on a block
    “But because the others asked him to submit to the Portuguese, promising them tribute and vassalage with a feigned heart, as he had done before , till time brought about a change of circumstances, he was still so full of obstinacy, that he ordered the 12 Modeliares, who were of this opinion and had represented to him the complaints and losses of the natives to be arrested.”…..

    …..”Among other things he found a block with 12 Chingala heads which the King ordered to be cut off, because they pointed out to him how necessary it was to make peace with the Portuguese even though only deceitfully, for to him the faintest dream of a crime was proof enough, and this cowardice as a necessary consequence, made his subjects exceedingly cowardly.”

    Describing the Jaffna king in flight from the Portuguese;
    “…He however fled in such haste, that it was impossible to overtake him, for he went up hill and down dale with greater rapidity than they, for his speed was natural and fear gave him wings, while our people advanced with great care, because they could not march in ranks; and the tyrant King was as cruel as he was desperate, and having killed a Chingala who had many relations, he would have been destroyed altogether had he not taken the precaution of curing that wound with blood,..”

    Describing yet another altercation in Jaffna;
    “Vincente Carvalho. Captain of a foist, seeing himself attacked by 200 men who sought to kill him, said to them: ‘Take me to your King, for I have some things to communicate to him on which depends his safety.’ The delighted Chingalaz made their way to the fortalice where he was; and as they had to pass by the Broad street where D. Antonio……”

    In fact when Queiros needs a common noun for an ordinary joe in Jaffna, he uses..you guessed it ‘the Chingala’. Thus when a Portuguese reinforcement arrives to rescue some besieged Portuguese, the Jaffna King sends to them with his message, the bearer of which is …

    “Upon this message D. Antonio halted keeping the Chingala and sent word to D. Constantino de Braganca, who getting rid of the other people who were with him. Came to Nelur in a manchua by a different route and communicating with the Captains of the relieving force, he ordered them to reinforce the praca, the next dawn breaking through the Enemy, and to send (to the King) that evening by one of the prisoners the head of that Chingala hostage with this message…”

    This chain of events develops further and culminates in the killing of yet another Jaffnese Joe by yet another Portuguese;
    “But it was enough that the King knew the delicacy of Portuguese faith, for to show off his valour, he killed the Chingala to whom he was entrusted and fled to our men in sight of an army.”

    The problem is compounded by the fact that, even when the context demands classification of peoples along ethnographic lines, Queiros uses the word chingalaz;
    “…the Prince who was superintending the war had arranged to attack the Portuguese with 6000 men divided into eight parties, and that the King had remained in the fortalice relying on the promises of the Chingalaz, Badagaz and Moors who served him, and…”

    Then too, sometimes Queiros uses that word in such ways that you (that is I) don’t know what to think;
    “That he Xaga Raja Xagara Pandara was not to blame for this prelim which took place, but a Captain of his, whom he had imprisoned for so great a crime; …

    “And afterwards it was known that the Chingala to whom the King attributed the rising was the fugitive Urucinga whom he wished to deliver, if an agreement could be effected, because, as he did not trust him, he did not mind losing a pretended friend.”

    “And as the fortalice was not on the seashore, nor capable of defence, and as it did not then appear necessary to preserve it, because it would necessarily remain in a continuous state of siege, on account of the tenacity of the King and of Chingala courage, the Captains wrote to the Viceroy, ‘that it did not seem creditable to our arms to remain locked up with the enemy within sight, since we were accustomed to vanquish more experienced and valorous nations,…”

    How likely is it that Queiros would make so fundamental an error as this? He was a Jesuit chronicler. The penetration of the Portuguese into Jaffna through their Jesuit, Franciscan and Dominican missionary arm predates that of the political, was more extensive and necessarily involved closer human contact. What if Queiros was not making an error, but using a different style of terminology, a different conceptualisation of the word Chingala, which should have been obvious but isn’t, because most people are too dichotomy obsessed?
    The likelihood that just possibly Queiros (or the Lisbon authorities or the Count of Vidigueira for that matter), may not have been committing an error, but using the word Chingalaz in a more extended and encompassing sense, hit me like a revelation from a Higher Power after reading on amazon.com, a customer review on Michael Crichton’s Timeline, a novel set in Normandy during the Hundred Years War. Crichton was castigated by the reviewer for positioning the two warring parties as English and French, when they (the reviewer insisted) were both French. What the reviewer should have realized was that during the Hundred Years War, even though French soldiers fought on both sides, the French perceived the French and Norman ruling element that England had acquired with the Norman Conquest, as English and wanted to kick the English out of Normandy.
    “However, by 1429 Charles VII, with the support of Joan of Arc, had been crowned at Reims and begun to push the English out of northern France. In 1435, an end to the French civil war between Burgundians and Armagnacs allowed Charles to return to Paris the following year, and by 1453 the English had been driven out of their last strongholds in Normandy and Guyenne. The only French territory left to the English was Calais, which was held until 1558.” -Wikipedia- English claims to the French throne

    At the same time, it is doubtful if the English proper, that is the dispossessed Anglo-Saxon nobility and the clergy quite perceived these usurpers with their homeland fixations on continental territory, as English. Meanwhile,
    “By the early 14th century, many in the English aristocracy could still remember a time when their grandparents and great-grandparents had control over wealthy continental regions, such as Normandy, which they also considered their ancestral homeland, and were motivated to regain possession of these territories”. -Wikipedia- The Hundred Years War

    So all I am saying is that while a powerful, pervasive, incorporating, inclusive and dominant identity, such as that of the Chingalaz, which claimed the whole island for itself, remained part of the equation, Queiros could call a Tamil speaking Jaffnese a Chingala, and be no more incongruous and in error than when a nobleman with an Angevin or Norman ancestry, speaking a medieval French dialect and fighting on one side of the Hundred Years War, got classified as English.
    “A Vijayanagar record of A.D. 1385/6 relates that the prince, Virupaksila, conquered among others the Sinhalas, and presented crystals and other jewels to his father Harihara; this may refer to the kingdom of Jaffna, which in the next century was tributary to the great empire on the mainland.”

    This quotation from chapter five of Codrington’s Short history of Ceylon, which I found like another revelation from a Higher Power, would tend to bear me out. But no degree of certainty is possible since the context and content of the Virupaksila inscription remain a mystery to me as are so much else.
    However, one thing is certain, no matter what contextual provenance applies to the word Chingalaz as used by Queiros for the Jaffnese; those Chingalaz in Jaffna was temperamentally different to the Chingalaz of the rest of the country:

    “The relative passivity with which Jaffna accepted foreign rule stands in strong contrast to the strength and frequency of resistance movements in the south. Jaffna rose against the Portuguese on three occasions, two of them within the first two years of their occupation. On each occasion, it was the arrival of foreign troops from Tanjore or from Kandy- that acted as a catalyst for rebellion. After 1629, for thirty years, Jaffna accepted foreign rule without demur” -Chapter 2, Jaffna under the Portuguese-

    There was also the matter of the lascarins;
    “The Sinhalese troops from the Kotte lands, when pitted against the Kandyans, had often mutinied, but in Jaffna, similar problems had not arisen” -Chapter 4, Jaffna under the Portuguese-

    And if you still have any doubts after all this evidence, let me quote one more paragraph to show that the ‘Chingalaz’ in Jaffna spoke Tamil.

    “Perhaps because the Catholic clergy in Jaffna had no income from cultivation to supplement their allowances, they resorted to levying contributions on their flocks on a scale unparalleled in the south. The first complaints against the practice are heard in the early 1630s and by 1645 these had reached such proportions that the viceroy Dom Phelippe Mascarenhas had to appoint a commission headed by Francisco de Seixas de Cabreira, the captain major, to inquire into these complaints. About 40 witnesses, both Jaffnese as well as Portuguese, all of them in responsible positions, appeared before the commission and their testimony read like a litany of grievances against the Jaffna clergy………….The original record of the inquiry, running into over 125 pages with the signatures of the Tamil deponents in their own language, is well preserved and is a remarkable document, unique in its kind. Reading through the document, one is driven to the conclusion that while the revenue authorities, relying on the low-boiling point of the Jaffna man, went on increasing the taxes that he had to pay, the clergy too did likewise.” -Chapter 6, Jaffna under the Portuguese-

    Coming back to Queiros, he was a person who took the Brahmi script of the Sinhalese inscriptions to be Greek (Temporal and Spiritual conquest of Ceylon, book 1, page60). However, when he writes ‘These terms (written) in the Portuguese and the Chingala languages, were signed and authenticated’, he is not utilizing his linguistic deciphering skills; but rather describing the event (the pact) in ‘our language-their language’ terms, and their language had been set to Chingala by default, because that was Queiros’ perception.

    However we, unlike Queiros are insiders and don’t have to be content with that default setting. Our inside information should warn us against accepting default settings when it comes to linguistic matters in medieval Sri Lanka. The many instances when the State communicated in Tamil, are too well known to need citations, and as for communications from Jaffna, the inscription in Kotagama in Kegalla District, which ‘is almost its (Jaffna Kingdom’s) only surviving relic’ (Chapter 5, Codrington’s Short history of Ceylon) is in Tamil
    “Inscriptional evidence provides some interesting details on these incursions and their consequences. The Kotagama and Lahugala inscriptions refer to one Ariyan of Singai Nagar who invaded the Four Korales and that rather than confront the invader, Parakramabahu of Dedigama fled.” – A History of Sri Lanka- K.M. de Silva

    All in all, I feel that Professor Nalin de Silva should read more or rather branch out more in his reading, when it comes to the history of Sri Lanka.

  259. 267. Anthony & others;

    “We will not destroy such beautiful and established facts about the Sinhalese, The origin of the Sinhala people, sex with animal and with a brother and sister, becoming convicted criminals and exile on a boat that landed in Lanka and everything was pre-planned by Buddha.”

    How about your gods having six heads and twelve arms, a god with a elephant head who rides a mouse, gods & goddesses born from mangoes, flowers etc. All of them are true stories, eh?

    You are showing the hole in another person’s clothe while you are naked. All your theories are just mind born and have no any reality or validity. Your purpose is to get advantages through propaganda. Your wrong tactics were paid for during the past and will give the same unfavourable results, based on their wrong causes. Bad deeds don’t lead to good results.

    Thanks!

  260. 263. veeramohan

    “When the Portuguese arrived in Ceylon for the first time as traders, Vira Parakrama Bahu (1484-1509) was the king of Kotte, Senasammata Vikrama Bahu (1469-1511) was the king of the Hill country and Pararajasekeran (1469-1511) was the king of the Tamil kingdom.”

    Don’t you know that Pararajasekeran was a descendant of the Indian invader Aryachakravarthi? If Pararajasekeran had a right to Sri Lanka, Portuguese, Dutch an Brits also must have right t this country. I said this before but none was brave enough to answer it.

    Who says invaders have a right to a country? If so, Japanese must have right to China, French must have right to Britain, Germans must have a right to Austria, Chengish Khan’s descendants must rule middle east and Pandyans must rule about a half of India.

    Aryachakravarthi was a invader king belong to Pandyan kingdom. If you claim the right for the descendants of Aryachakravarthi to rule the country, do you claim the right for the rest of the area India outside the Tamil Nadu, for Tamils in India as well? Can you explain the reason for two yardsticks.

    Thanks!

  261. 263. veeramohan

    “There is no evidence what so ever to prove that the Sinhalese lived in the North and East until independence.”

    You are just jabbering in ignorance and prejudice. Then what are the stupas found in Kandarodei (Kaduruguda)? Have you seen the ancient Sinhala writing found in Kadurugoda and now displayed in Jaffna Museum? Do you find any such old Tamil archeologically valuable thing in Jaffna Museum? Why is that? Have you read Prof. K. Indrapala? I think either “no” or you are pretending like “no”.

    There were no permanent Tamil settlements in Sri Lanka until Pandyan Aryachakravarhi of India invaded Jaffna peninsula. Most of the Tamils found in Sri Lanka today are either brought by Portuguese, Dutch and English or the descendants of the soldiers of the invader Aryachakravarthi.

    You are trying to fabricate a false history to misguide your young ones again to plot a destruction to this country. False theories are the root of all evils.

    Thanks!

  262. Kandyan Kings of Nayak colloboration were not Tamils but TELUGUs. Telugus ruled Tamils for centuries till the Muslims defeat them.

    Nayaks were not belong to any ROYAL linage but they raised and found the VIJAYA NAGAR rule in South India against the MUSLIM invasion of the North. It saved the Hindus of the South and the Buddhists of Sri Lanka.

    Nayaks too used Tamil everywhere in Tamil Nadu and they used Sinhala/Tamil in Sri Lanka like the Pallava Kings.

  263. 269. M.Sivananthan

    “But why all of you keep your mouth shut on the origins of Bhikku Mahanama? It is hard for all racists in both sides to accept the truth that Mahanama was a TAMIL.”

    If the Author of the Mahawansa was Tamil as you said why you all are making this unnecessary fuss against Sinhalese? You must blame your Tamil race/ racism for the Mahawansa.

    Further, I am inclined to think that almost all Tamils are tritors of Tamils just like Mr. Prabakaran. He killed hundreds of valuable Tamil people including scholars and politicians. Tamil bikkhu Mahanama also had betrayed your race, according to you, I think betrayal must be an intrinsic character of your race in that case.

    I think you will say yapa is also a Tamil, for some reason purposefully born in your mind.

    Thanks!

  264. 270. Liyanage & 258. Anonymous

    which country in the world has classified Sri Lanka as a “State of Terrorism”?

    Countries which band the GSP+ identified Srilankas ‘State Terrorism’ , To classified in the list Tamils didn’t have a country or Foregin minister like Laxman Kathirkamar who contributed(his international campaigning ) lot to achive this against Tamil Tigers. (Don’t worry Liyanage, if you want it will be done in future ‘history’ !)

    No one can justify suicide bombings and child soldiers or political killings.If Tamil Tigers were renounces this kind of violence, It wouldn’t happened. Poor advice and Mission without (Long) Vision and other series of factors (Karuna,India,China..) caused this failure.

    Some Facts FYI
    1. They didn’t fight for sinhalese land in Srilanka, Their motive was military wise protect their native Tamil Home Land from Megalomanic Sinhala Invaders.

    2. He(V.Pirabakaran) was appreciated for his leadership of the highly discipline organisation and estabilished defacto state with Police,Courts and other social economical devalopment Organisations.

    3. V.P ultimate aim was ‘ Independent Tamileelam’ there for he and his freedom figters(like Theepan) fought until last minute against foregin Armys .

    4. He went aginst India for his cause and even refused prime minister post for NE provincial council after found out Delhi using Tamils Issue to achive their goal.

    5. After LTTE silent their guns , Civil war ended with mass genocide.

    For more information http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/date/2008/02

  265. It was indeed interesting to read the different viewpoints of the contributors. What’s with those annoying extremists who try to ruin an educated debate? I wish Sri Lankans were mature enough to debate in public forum without name calling! BTW, I see very little debate by anyone to “Nightfox” reboke of the author of this article except some name calling. Does it mean he’s right? Cant any Tamil analyse points raised by “Nightfox” and say he’s right or wrong and if so giving reasons for it? It is veryu interesting if only specialists engage in this type of chatter to make it a more educated debate.

    Thank you.

  266. 273. yapa

    Are you trying to deny the established facts in the Mahavamsa that the origin of the Sinhala people, sex with animal (lion) and with a brother and sister, becoming convicted criminals and exile on a boat that landed in Lanka and everything was pre-planned by Buddha?

    Why talk about others when your pants are down. Have you ever read your own scriptures (Tripitika) properly, about Buddha’s 550 rebirths as Bodhisattva?

    The Jataka story that the Buddhists strongly believe is the Kusa Fathakaya, where the Bodhisattva was born as Kusa, and married a beautiful princess Pabawathie.
    Sakra the king of Gods came unnoticed by any one while Pabawathie was asleep and rubbed her navel with his toe. This caused her to conceive without any intimacyual congress.

    In Nandivisala Jataka, we have an intelligent talking bull that could pull hundred carts.
    The Mirga Jataka talks about a deer that saved a drowning merchant and later preached the Dhamma to the king who was hunting.
    In Sivi Jataka, king Sivi redeemed a pigeon by giving his own flesh.
    I do not want to list all the Jatakas here to elaborate my point, but take a closer look at them and think, do you believe that they are true life stories?

    And the worst of all, the Pali texts (cannon) of the Theravada Buddhist scriptures were written by the Buddhist monks who are well known for their manipulations and jugglery.

    Hence, the question will always remain whether the Pali texts of the Theravadins represent the oldest traditions which approach the actual teachings of Buddha or some spurious doctrines have been introduced along with it.

    Look at yourself in the mirror before looking at others.

  267. 274 & 275 Yapa

    *****Aryachakravarthi was a invader king belong to Pandyan kingdom. If you claim the right for the descendants of Aryachakravarthi to rule the country, do you claim the right for the rest of the area India outside the Tamil Nadu, for Tamils in India as well? Can you explain the reason for two yardsticks.*****

    If we argue on the same line, how come a non-Buddhist convicted criminal exiled from India (Vijaya) with a background of bestiality, parricide, incest, wantonness and betrayal who landed in Lanka with 700 thugs (biggest invasion ever) have the right to rule the country that was already inhabited with people (Yakkhas & Nagas)?
    Can you explain the reason for two yardsticks.

    *****You are just jabbering in ignorance and prejudice. Then what are the stupas found in Kandarodei (Kaduruguda)?*****

    All those Buddhist remains in Jaffna belongs to Tamil Buddhists and nobody else.

    *****Have you seen the ancient Sinhala writing found in Kadurugoda and now displayed in Jaffna Museum?*****

    There is no such thing found until now except some donation made by a southern (sinhala) king, that does not prove anything.

    *****Do you find any such old Tamil archeologically valuable thing in Jaffna Museum? Why is that?*****

    Of course there were plenty found, read Prof. K. Indrapala’s latest book, he has put lot pf pictures.

    *****Have you read Prof. K. Indrapala? I think either “no” or you are pretending like “no”.*****
    Do you know who he was? Read what Devananda is saying about him, interesting.

    *****There were no permanent Tamil settlements in Sri Lanka until Pandyan Aryachakravarhi of India invaded Jaffna peninsula. Most of the Tamils found in Sri Lanka today are either brought by Portuguese, Dutch and English or the descendants of the soldiers of the invader Aryachakravarthi.*****

    If you read the above article, it is very clear that there was NOTHING called Sinhala before the 12th century AD. Devananda is proving it.

    *****You are trying to fabricate a false history to misguide your young ones again to plot a destruction to this country. False theories are the root of all evils.*****

    That is exactly what Ven. Mahanama started doing in the 5th century and it continued with Paranavithana and it is still continuing. The article very clearly says how the false theories are fabricated and still continuing. Challenge the author if you can.

  268. 278. Pong-Ping

    This exposes your motive as I said before. to break this country into pieces, to make Tamil dreamland in Sri Lanka.

    Can you justify your homeland claim as a reasonable one first of all? If so, I accept all of your point form “Some Facts FYI” as reasonable. Otherwise all those are nothing but acts of Terrorism.

    Thanks!

  269. agree with 279.

    The topic is for scolars not for laymen.
    The plight of our country today is many rulers are unable to grasp the scholary truths or untruths with wisdom.

    This is not the forum to discuss history. This topic should be debated in a forum of university scholars and learned people of the subject. As many claims & disclaims are beyound our knowledge.

    DBSJ please don’t publish this type of articles any more.
    The enthusiasm I had to learn more about our history was killed by seeing how much segregation this can bring to our nation.

  270. #277 Yapa

    I am a Tamil and I am against all RACISTS in Sri Lanka because History (Old History) never be racist as of today.

    After the European rule only the language based racism erupted. Old kings and queens had gone long ago.

    Why should we now blame each other for nothing?

    Now the people do a politics for their own survival.

    Bhikku Mahanama supported his PALLAVA clan. I dont know why Sinhalese take Mahavansa is supporting their SINHALA RACISM?

    Not only Tamils but Sinhalese too betrayed their ROYALS in the past.

    How can the Sinhalese justify Ranil Wickramasinghe for carving out an area for LTTE? Dont you feel it was a berayal?

    Further LANGUAGE is not a genetical property to call TAMIL RACE or SINHALA RACE. Language can be mastered in few years.Sinhalese can become TAMILS and Tamils can become Sinhalese.

    Who are the people betray Sri Lankans now? Tamils or Sinhalese or both?

    I believe the people who work for the FOREIGNERS are the traitors of Sri lanka. Identify them and make them powerless. Those traitors may be Tamil or Sinhala speaker.

  271. Sri Lanka belongs to India not tamils or singhalese or moors or burgers or vedhas. All came from India in a boat or catamaran or ship at different times and claimed different areas.

  272. The Tamil history in Sri Lanka is a Hindu one. Those Tamils in Sri Lanka who adopted Buddhism in the early first millennium assimilated into the Sinhalese mainstream in a generation or two. Tamils in the
    Western and North Western Provinces who adopted the Roman Catholic faith in the 17th century likewise became Sinhalese. The Colombo Chetties are another example. The Sri Lankan Muslims view themselves a separate ethnic group despite speaking the Tamil language. It was Saivite Hinduism alone that preserved the Tamil ethnic identity as we know it today in Sri Lanka.

    The Tamils featured in Sri Lankan history since at least the second century BC. The Hindu tradition defined and inspired the Tamil identity in Sri Lanka. Pallava era influence in the 7th century and the Chola interlude in the 11th century illustrates that in Ceylon.

    The Jaffna kingdom existed between the 13th and 17th centuries AD. We are a people defined by Hindu tradition. Jaffna, often independent, intermittently paying tribute to the Vijayanagara empire, was a maritime and agrarian political entity that upheld Saivite Hinduism. The flag of the Kingdom of Jaffna was the Nandi kodi, not the Tiger banner. The Portuguese destroyed the Jaffna Kingdom in 1619 AD. The consequent devastation to our cultural heritage was immense.

    Much later, Pandara Vanian resisted the Dutch and the British in the late 1700s. A devout Hindu, he built a Sivan temple in Kat-chilai-madu before he fell resisting a three pronged British assault on his forces in 1803 in Mullaitivu. Arumuga Navalar was born in Jaffna in 1822. He was known as the father of Tamil prose and popularized the Tamil printing press. He played a key role in the Hindu revival, printed
    several Hindu texts and started Hindu denominational schools.

    C.W Thamotherampillai born in Jaffna in 1832 was one of the first Tamils on either side of the Palk Straits to get a university degree. A devout Hindu and high court judge, he followed Navalar’s footsteps to disseminate Saivite Hindu tradition and publish rare Tamil classics. Ananda Coomaraswamy, another Sri Lankan Tamil, was born in 1877 and was the first Hindu to interpret Hindu art to an international audience. His contributions to the Hindu aesthetic preceded Rabindranath Tagore’s Shantiniketan and Rukmini Devi’s Kalakshetra. Are we true to this vibrant Sri Lankan Tamil Hindu inheritance of ours?

  273. I am a Sinhalese but fortunately studied in English. These types of important documents must be translated in to Sinhala and distributed in a mass scale. The people who read only Sinhala are the most mislead and are unaware of the findings and important historical facts. That is mainly because of the fact that all major mass media is controlled by Sinhala only interested parties.

    The Sinhala readers are taken for a ride with all false premises not only politically but also historically. I have seen many programs conducted in the Sri Lankan TV where all kinds of bogus professors trying to justify the Sinhala dominance and distort historical facts.

    It is high time we go to the grass root level and make them aware of what is the truth.

  274. This is an insightful historical piece. It is extremely well researched. The writer has provided plenty of information with enough quotes, references, and research documents of others to prove his point. It is very clearly written in the layman language. We need more of such articles especially in light of the Sinhala majoritarian distortion of history. For every question, myth and fallacy of the Sinhalese, this article gives the right answers. The Mahavamsa mindset is very well explained. I learnt a lot and loved reading all his articles. Thank you for sharing this with us.

  275. Finally we are left with two jokers Yapa and M.Sivananthan, both bending, twisting, turning, manipulating and juggling the facts.

    Anti-Tamil PALLAVA monk, last king of Jaffna who ruled the Tamils was a Malayalee and spoke malayalam, VIJAYA NAGAR (Telugu) ruled Madurai the strong Tamil kingdom, and many more jokes, without any reference/evidence.

  276. 278. Pong-Ping

    “Countries which band the GSP+ identified Srilankas ‘State Terrorism’” – Where is proof? Please justify your claim quoting a reliable source to say that countries those who suspended GSP+ identified Sri Lanka as a State of Terrorism.

    1.“They didn’t fight for sinhalese land in Srilanka” – Correct but they fought for the land that belong to Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims and others. In fact it was LTTE who expelled thousands of muslims from Jaffna in 1990.
    http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Expulsion_of_Muslims_from_the_Northern_province_by_LTTE

    “Their motive was military wise protect their native Tamil Home Land from Megalomanic Sinhala Invaders.” – A similar sentiment would be aired by another Pong-Ping from the other camp saying “Their motive was to protect their Sinhala Home Land from Megalomaniac Tamil Invaders”. Who is right? But what is obvious is that based on these two theories one invader has clearly won and the other has lost. So, what do you think you should do now? Let me put this in another perspective, if it was Prabhakaran who was successful in invading my land I would not think twice about jumping in to the Indian Ocean rather than waiting to be killed. The choice is yours!!

    2. He was appreciated by whom? This is how his organization was appreciated by the European Union in 2006. http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/docs/89791.pdf

    3. Theepan fought but not Prabhakaran. Running away from the armed forces, changing his hideouts from one bunker to another and holding his own people against their will in Vellamullivaikkal cannot be considered as fighting.

    4. What was Delhi trying to achieve using Tamil issue?

    5. “After LTTE silent their guns , Civil war ended with mass genocide” – When and Why did LTTE have to silent their guns? Why would it be necessary? You are claiming in your fact no 3 that Prabhakaran fought until the last minute? So was the leader fighting all by himself? You are contradicting your own facts.

  277. The Sinhalese may deny their ancestry and genetic composition to suit their parochial political nationalism. The fact remains that most of the Sinhalese people are closely related to the South Indian Tamils.

    Useful links to gnetic studies:
    Genetic affinities of Sri Lankan populations
    Human Biology| December 01, 1995 | Kshatriya, Gautam Kumar
    http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-17863670/genetic-affinities-s

    Genetic variation in Sri Lanka.(Special Issue on the Level of Genetic Differentiation in Populations of the Indian Subcontinent)
    http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-18903057/genetic-variation-sr

    Genetic and anthropological assessments
    http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Sinhalese-people#Genetic_and_ant

    New evidences suggest there wasn’t an Aryan Invasion of India. Max Muller’s unscientific assertions were never tested. It is sad that Sinhalese bought the idea from Anagarika who had other plans.

    Articles on introduction to contesting the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT):
    Arya: Its Significance
    By Yogi Aravind

    The Supramental Manifestation and Other Writings By Sri Aurobindo
    http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_arvind.html

    The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India
    By David Frawley
    http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html

    Demise of the Aryan Invasion Theory
    By Dr.Dinesh Agrawal

    The Aryan-Dravidian Controversy
    By David Frawley
    http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html

    Aryan Invasion Theory is a Hoax : History Revisited
    Source: Times of India, August 22, 1993

    Aryan Invasion Theory ‘Disproved’
    Source: Times of India, June 5, 1993

    The Myth of Aryans and Non-Aryans
    By Swami Vivekananda
    http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_vivekananda.html

  278. 281. Anthony

    “*****Have you seen the ancient Sinhala writing found in Kadurugoda and now displayed in Jaffna Museum?*****

    There is no such thing found until now except some donation made by a southern (sinhala) king, that does not prove anything.”

    ………………….

    This person is blind with race bias. Just go to Jaffna museum, if you are in Sri lanka. Do you want to know where the Sinhala monuments found in North and East? Here it is from the (Tamil) horses mouth. These are the facts from Prof. K .Indrapala’s PhD thesis. Do you think Prof. Indrapala can make this monuments vanish just writing some thing else in his recent writing influenced by the Tamil racism? Can he deny these facts now, by any means?

    No, Just words and narratives cannot cover up the reality. Jabbering does not always overlap with reality. Jaffna does not have any early Tamil inscriptions/monuments to prove any early Tamil presence. Please read.

    http://www.google.lk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCcQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spur.asn.au%2Fextra%2Fdrav.htm&ei=PD1ZTcygOsXlrAfZgvnxBw&usg=AFQjCNG0j5wEJ_39f5PgROdrYYb6lkumaA

    Thanks!

  279. 281. Anthony

    *****Aryachakravarthi was a invader king belong to Pandyan kingdom. If you claim the right for the descendants of Aryachakravarthi to rule the country, do you claim the right for the rest of the area India outside the Tamil Nadu, for Tamils in India as well? Can you explain the reason for two yardsticks.*****
    If we argue on the same line, how come a non-Buddhist….

    That means you accept that you have no counter arguments for what I said. I have answers for Vijaya’s query you raised. This proves that Tamils have no historical claim for Sri Lanka, and their theories are just fabrications. Also read the Excerpts from Prof. Indrapala’s PhD thesis, in the given link of my previous post.

    I am sure none cannot counter the above point. That is why you are slipping from the question. If possible just answer the question.

    Thanks!

  280. 292. Anthony

    “The Sinhalese may deny their ancestry and genetic composition to suit their parochial political nationalism. The fact remains that most of the Sinhalese people are closely related to the South Indian Tamils.
    Useful links to gnetic studies:
    Genetic affinities of Sri Lankan populations
    Human Biology| December 01, 1995 | Kshatriya, Gautam Kumar”

    What outdated nonsense are you talking about DNA tests. Read about the latest DNA tests done in 2007.

    Predominantly Bengali origin

    Genetic admixture of Sinhalese by Dr. Saha Papiha
    An Alu polymorphism analysis of Sinhalese from Colombo by Dr Sarabjit Mastanain in 2007 using Tamil, Bengali, Gujarati (Patel), and Punjabi as parental populations found different proportions of genetic contribution:[5]
    Statistical Method Bengali Tamil North Western
    Point Estimate 57.49% 42.5% –
    Maximum Likelihood Method 88.07% – –
    Using Tamil, Bengali and North West as parenteral population 50-66% 11-30% 20-23%
    A genetic distance analysis by Dr Robet Kirk also concluded that the modern Sinhalese are most closely related to the Bengalis.[3]
    This is further substantiated by a VNTR study, which found 82% of Sinhalese genes to originate from Bengali admixture:[4]
    Parenteral population Bengali Tamil Gujarati Punjabi
    Using Tamil and Bengali as parenteral population 70.03% 29.97% –
    Using Tamil, Bengali and Gujarati as parenteral population 71.82% 16.38% 11.82%
    Using Bengal, Gujarati and Punjabi as parenteral population 82.09% – 15.39% 2.52%
    D1S80 allele frequency (A popular allele for genetic fingerprinting) is also similar between the Sinhalese and Bengalis, suggesting the two groups are closely related.[7] The Sinhalese also have similar frequencies of the allele MTHFR 677T (13%) to West Bengalis (17%).[8][9]
    These findings are compatible with the historical chronicles the Mahavamsa and Dipavamsa. Which describe a Bengali prince (Prince Vijaya) of being an early settler of Sri Lanka and the progenitor of the Sinhalese.
    [edit]Evidence for North Indian origin

    Genetic distance of Sinhalese to other ethnic groups in the Indian Subcontinent according to an Alu Polymorphism analysis.

    Genetic distance of Sinhalese to other ethnic groups.
    A study in 2007 found similar frequencies of the allele HLA-A*02 in sinhalese (7.4%) and North Indian subjects (6.7%). HLA-A*02 is a rare allele which has a relatively high frequency in North Indian populations and is considered to be a novel allele among the North Indian population. This suggests possible North Indian origin of the Sinhalese.[10]
    Linguistically the Sinhalese are closer to North Indians than South Indians, as the Sinhala language is a member of the Indo-Aryan languages.[11]

    http://www.google.lk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CEgQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGenetic_studies_on_Sinhalese&ei=6UxZTe-eNIbsrAePrNCTBw&usg=AFQjCNFzHW24SM_869qxX6RBUoRN23J3vA

    You are always finding evidence to suit your mythical theories only. Try to be a bit objective.

    Thanks!

  281. Please look at the following facts.

    1. Existence of Balangoda Man about 35,000 years ago shows that Sri Lanka has been inhibited from very early days.

    2. India and Sri lanka was not a single mass of land even at that time and after that

    3. This shows that until the “sophisticated boats” are built to cross the palk straight the inhabitant of this country were the ancestors of the ancient man lived in Sri lanka for tens of thousand years.

    4. Before 6 BC, there is no record for migration of very large populations across any sea in the world history.

    5. Therefore the inhabitant living in Sri Lanka in 6 BC, cannot have a similar language spoken in South India, as those two lands have been separated restricting influence of the people of the other land for tens of thousand years. Then Tamil cannot be the dominant language of Sri Lanka in 6 BC, even if the first ancestor Balangoda Man was a Tamil who came here when the two lands were together, hundred thousands of years ago, when Vijaya arrived here as per the claim of the Mahawansa.

    6. Then so called Yakkas and Nagas in 6 BC cannot be using Tamil language even if their ancestor Balangoda Man was a Tamil( as claimed by some Tamils).

    7. Both Sinhalese and Tamils agree that at least Yakkas an Nagas were here while some claim Deva and Raksha tribes also were here, before the Aryan migration taken place from North India.

    8. There has been no trace of “Sinhalese” before
    BC. in Sri Lanka or India.

    9. “Sinhala” comes into existence with Pandukabhaya, and establishes during the period of Devanam Piyatissa after Arahath Mahinda Thero’s arrival and with the embrace of Buddhism by the people here. After that there has been no much talk of the existence of Yakka, Naga, Raksha or Deva tribes in the country. There has never been a trace of Tamil until this period.

    10. The sudden Birth of Sinhalese and the simultaneous extinction of the ancient tribes shows that Sinhalese came into existence by the unification of tribes prevailing before. Some of the people who didn’t assimilate into Sinhalese and Buddhism lived separately in the jungles living an “uncivilized life” and known to be Vedda Clan. However, there was no any trace of Tamils until this time and that shows that the only groups in Sri Lanka until Devanampiyatissa period in the island were Sinhalese and Veddas. Sihalese nation that was a mixture of ancient tribes and the migrated Aryan became the dominant “ethnic group” of the country. It should be noted that Sinhalese is a mixture of several races and hence cannot be considered as a race. The country was called by the other nations as Sinhaladeepa, Siheladiva etc., because it was the country of the Sinhalese people lived. Sinhala language belongs to Indo-Ayan Language and it is a further evidence that Composition of Sihalese had no Tamil component. Recent DNA tests too show that Sinhalese are not much related to Tamils.

    11. First invasion came from South India and (Chola, Pandya, Kerala etc.. ) and the natives (Sinhalese) seeing the similarities in them call all of them as Chola (Demala) and the term “Demala” was synonymously used to indicate invaders.

    12. Though several “Demala invasions” were taken place during the Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa era, all of them were chased away by Sinhalese forces. It is also recorded that even Veddas were a part of the Sinhalese army. There were no permanent Tamil settlements here other than the “forts” of Tamil soldiers. That is the reason why there is no Tamils inscriptions, monuments or the traces of a Tamil civilisation in this country, while Sinhalese built over 25,000 irrigation tanks (Vewas), thousands of Dagabos, Thousands of Buddist sculptures and Temples all over the country. There is no a single trace of a Tamil civilisation in the island until the 13th century, when Aryachakravarthi of Pandyan Kingdom of India, invaded and captured Jaffna peninsula. Thousands of Buddhist monuments still prevailing in the North shows the Sinhala civilisation destroyed by Aryachakravarthi. You cannot find many Tamil monument earlier than this period, except a very few. The Sinhalese kingdom was very weak during this period and hence the Aryachakravarthi and his descendants could rule Jaffana penisula until the Portuguese captured it from them. There were descendants of Tamils soldiers in Jaffna and some Sinhalese who were there must have fled to the South and some must have assimilated to Tamils. However the Tamil rule in this part of the country also was confined to 200+ years only, while Sinhalese rule prevailed throughout the country until it was taken by Britishers in 1815 over 2300years.

    13. Portuguese, Dutch and Britishers brought Tamils from India as cheap labour to work in Tobacco fields in North and East and tea and plantations in the up country. During this period population density of North and East increased manifold due to the cheap labour migration. Majority of the Tamils living in North and East are descendants of those Tamil migrants and most of the Tamils of North and East too do not have a history of over a few hundred years. Hence the claim for taditional Tamil Homeland is nothing more than a fabricated lie.

    They must accept the facts and must adjust to live like Sri Lankan citizens, giving up fabricated false theories. Sinhalese will never hesitate to consider them as equal citizens of this country just as Muslims, Malays, burgers and other communities once they give up hostile false theories fabricated for their advantage. SInhalese will never accept a separate country here in the lands they have been living for at least over 2500 years. Your Eelam is just an unfair dream.

    Thanks!

  282. Yapa the Joker,

    Read what Devananda says about the obsolute 1965 Phd thesis of Prof. Indrapala and comment without talking bull crap.

  283. 279. The truth is out there! and others who praise Nightfox,

    I think most of the people who are praising Nightfox do not know his background/history. He always comes out (cut & paste) with theories/researches/thesis that are already rejected by many scholars, and is very famous for quoting out of context/misquotes, a very popular history twister. He illustrates a deep bigotry and ignorance of Sri Lankan history.

    For example, Dane Hawkey claims that the inhabitants of the Indus Valley civilization had dental traits resembling the Sinhalese compared to other South Asians! This was obviously not peer reviewed. It would not have passed muster given her inappropriately small sample. Her unpublished PhD research has been criticized on account of the fact that her sample of dental material was far too small to reach the tentative conclusions she does. The fact remains the early Megalith remains in Sri Lanka are near identical to Tamil Nadu. Nightfox’s argument indicates that the Sinhalese once populated Tamil Nadu.

    He never engages in point by point arguments; instead he will cut and paste inordinately lengthy comments like he has done here. If you engage in an argument with him (refute his comment) he will cut & paste very long articles/books so that nobody bothers to counter argue, it is one of his strategies. Some of his other strategies are:

    1. Give a link or site which hardly has any related material (If you say there is nothing, he will respond saying ‘Its there but you cannot see it’)

    2. Give some source written by a totally unknown author or a prejudiced bigot just like him without any *verifiable data*

    3. Quote some researchers completely neglecting the controversial nature of their research

    4. Quote books/articles completely neglecting the obvious political biases and distortions of history in them and mostly he has not read them in full.

    5. Re-question or insult those who ask for information or cut and paste very long comments completely irrelevant to the discussion

  284. Hela, Leela, J and Yapa:
    Your knee jerk and hawkish reactions confirm the hard-line indoctrination/Mahavamsa mindset prevalent in Sinhalese school text books and the Sri Lankan media. It appears that the Sinhalese have not been taught objective history but learn ethno-nationalist myth instead!

    You are obviously not able to provide the evidence to disprove Devananda’s rigorous article that he backs with detailed citations and evidence at each stage. Hence your hysterical reactions!

    Sri Lanka had never been Sinhala only. Devananda, like many neutral/moderate scholars, has illustrated that with rigor. Sri Lanka is not Sinhalese – it is multi-ethnic and multi-religious. You will need to come to terms with that central truth!!

  285. Take a shower if you are feeling angry coz today is a day to share the love! DBS, hope you have a romantic evening. Thank you and god bless you!

    Thank you.Happy Valentine Day…….DBSJ

  286. Yapa,

    All your 13 myths or rather jokes are very beautifully disected and nullified by Devananda in his two articles. You are still repeating the same jokes like a parrot. I think everybody have started ignoring your jokes because you are repeating the same stuff like a broken record, the answers to all your jokes are in the article.

    Nobody is interested in wasting their time in answering your old obsolute jokes which the author of this article has already done in style. Do not waste your time, read the articles and argue against them or just go to sleep.

  287. Yappa

    Just one more reminder, there was NOTHING called Sinhala till the 12th CAD, all those ancient civilization were built by Tamils and Nagas. Prove you point with evidence if you can, show us where Sinhala was at that time, you are inventing things from thin air and bluffing, come with proof if you can, show the connection between the ancient people and Sinhala if you can, I will not waste any more ltime with bogus charletons like you.

  288. 301. Anthony

    “Nobody is interested in wasting their time in answering your old obsolute jokes which the author of this article has already done in style. Do not waste your time, read the articles and argue against them or just go to sleep.”

    You have no answers my dear. That is evident by your excitement too.

    By the way, can you name a single king of “Sri Lankan Tamil ” origin? All so called Tamil rulers of so called “Jaffna Kingdom” were Indian invaders or their ancestors. Other Dravidian kings who ruled Sri Lanka with the content of Sinhalese were too came from India. No Sri Lankan Tamil has ever become a king at least any part of this country. Can anybody say otherwise?

    Thanks!

  289. 299. Sam

    “You are obviously not able to provide the evidence to disprove Devananda’s rigorous article that he backs with detailed citations and evidence at each stage. Hence your hysterical reactions!”

    Please quote anything from Devananda’s writing to refute facts forward by me. You all are jabbering without doing it.

    If possible counter my arguments using any source, I will invariably refute all of them. You cannot compete with the realities.

    Thanks!

  290. 301. Anthony | February 14th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    “All your 13 myths or rather jokes are very beautifully disected and nullified by Devananda in his two articles.”

    I have several times said just words cannot refute anything or portrait anything. Just calling what I have posted as myths, does not make them myths. Refute them or provide counter arguments.

    You cannot establish theories unquestioned. Your theories were questioned and challenged with facts and sound arguments.

    False theories cannot run long.

    Thanks!

  291. 301. Anthony

    “All your 13 myths or rather jokes are very beautifully disected and nullified by Devananda in his two articles.”

    He must have done it in his day dreams.

    Thanks!

  292. 219, 237 Saman
    Thanks and you too have done some commendable research.
    ___________

    The problem with Mahavamsa is it that it conflicts with itself in many instances and this could be due to latter day introductions or interpolations, and these instances are mostly due to the overzealous attempts in connecting Buddha to the Island.

    There are three instances where Mahanama or someone tried to connect Buddha to Tambapanni.

    I) Vijaya landed on the shore, the very same day Buddha attained Nibana, and just prior to that said to have asked Indran to convey/order Vishnu to protect Vijaya.
    II) Secondly, the attempts to relate Vijaya’s descendents to Buddha himself.
    III) Finally, there were the three visits of Buddha

    The history after Devanambiya Theesan are generally considered to have some substance, though intertwined with many Jathaka stories, Ramayana & Lord Krisna stories, the period between Vijaya & Mutha siva(the name Mutha siva could be correct as it is the practice even today to narrate three generations at auspicious celebrations like weddings & Crownings).

    This earlier history could only have been deduced from the artworks such as the one made by Vatta gamini(Valagamba) at Dambulla who had been hiding in those caves for fourteen years(Lord Rama? prior to recovering his kingdom & wife from the Indians and some sculptures from Anuradahapura.
    These art depicts ‘vijaya and his friend’s’ arrival (but they look like vedhas), war with ‘Elara’ etc.

    Why it is not surprising, the Portuguese or Dutch or English prior to 1836, did not find the Chronicles.

    Simon Cassie Chitty in 1863 did not mention Mahavamsa or Vijaya. Instead he mentioned the name Singha Kumara as the founder of Singhalese. So are the previous writers Lord Valentia and Joinville.

    Mahavamsa could have been there but would have come to the limelight only after the advent of Anagarika Dharmapala many thousands years later, during which time there is always the possibility that it could have been transformed. Among the early translators, Wilhelm Geiger tavelled to Sri Lanka only in 1895 and George Tumour In 1826, (according to Tennent)when residing at Ratnapura, near Adam’s Peak, had obtained from his instructor in Pali a copy of the ‘Mahāvamsa, but now now it is claimed ‘The missing “tika” was found at Mulgirigalla, near Tangalle, a temple founded one hundred and fifty years before the birth of Christ. It was this manuscript which lay on Turnour ’s desk that morning in 1826’. None claimed to have seen the original ola leaves.

    JE Tennent(1845-50), on the other hand was more critical on Indian sources but accepted Mahavamsa translation of Turmour at face value and said

    “It was not till about the year 1826 that the discovery was made and communicated to Europe, that whilst the history of India was only to be conjectured from myths and elaborated from the dates on copper grants, or fading inscriptions on rocks and columns, Ceylon was in possession of continuous written chronicles, rich in authentic facts, and not only presenting a connected history of the island itself, but also yielding valuable materials for elucidating that of India.”

    I) Vijaya’s landing was to coincide with Buddha’s parinirvana so the period between him and Ellala was arbitrarily adjusted. For instance Devanambiya theesan’s younger brother Aseelan would have been over 100 years when he was defeated by Elalan.
    According to Mahavamsa Devanambiya tissa had nine brothers – some of them ruling after him. These are the periods they ruled, conveniently rounded up by Mahanama or someone:
    Devanampiya Tissa (307 – 267 BC) – 40 years-had a son at old age-so he died very old
    Uttiya (267 – 257 BC) – 10 years
    Maha Siva (257 – 247 BC) – 10 years
    Suratissa (247 – 237 BC) 10 years
    Sena and Guttika for 22 years
    Asela (215 – 205 BC) 10 years

    So if we assume Asela to be 1 year when his elder brother Devanampiya Tissa assumed throne, he was 102 years old when ultimately defeated by Elara. Is this possible? Moreover Elara ruled over 44 years so Devanambiya tissa’s 2nd brother and crown prince Mahasiva’s great grandson Dutu Gemunu would have been over 65 years when he fought and defeated Elara.

    Maha nagan’s wife was pregnant when they escaped to Ruhuna as they felt unsafe after the poisoning death of Devanambiya tissa’s 6 year old son, without knowing DN Tissa would be dying in a few days. His wife was the first women bhikkuni and in order to accommodate her only, Sangamitta was invited and a bhikkuni sanga was formed.-but no mention of Sangamitta afterwards. Nevertheless she was pregnant and they sought asylum at a famous Yakkhas shrine known as Yatala Cetiya where the she gave birth to a baby son.

    This son was named Yatala Tissa(Yatala is derived from Yakka + ala (fare of the Yakka)), according to Mahavamsa, in honor of the Yakkas who helped them. Some also call him Gothabhaya and his son Kakavanna theesan married to the daughter of a grandson of another brother of DN Theesan and their son is Duttu Gamani.

    It is stated that Gamani was only 16 years when he uttered the now famous phrase “Over there beyond the Ganga are the Damilas, here on this side is the Gotha ocean, how can I lie with outstretched limbs?” He left the palace shortly after angering his father and his younger brother Satha theesan succeeded his father on his death and Duttu Gamani fought with him and thousands died in the battle between the brothers. Monks brokered a ceasefire and Gamini became the king of Ruhuna.

    He started the war on Elara and after many years of fighting came to power in 161 BC -i.e. 106 years after his grandfather was borne. So 74 year old Elara must have fought with the 65-70 year old Duttu Gamini, and ruled for 36 years-he must have lived for over hundred years, and his brother Satha theesan who was borne two years after Gamini, also would have been over 100 years when he succeeded in Rajarata.

    This contradiction is caused solely due to the attempt to coincide the arrival of Vijaya to the departure of Buddha in 543 BCE. Reliance on Mahavamsa, had also caused contradictions in Buddha’s history. Most early 20th-century historians dated his lifetime as c. 563 BCE to 483 BCE, but more recent opinion dates his death to between 486 and 483 BCE or, according to some, between 411 and 400 BCE .(it means Duttu Gemunu was over 160 years when he died).
    The portion on Indran & Vishnu also must have written by someone not familiar with Hinduism, as Vishnu is one of the Hindu trimurti and above the demi god Indran, and certainly not in a position to take advice or order s from Indran.

    II) The arrival of Pathra Kanchana in a boat to make a connection to Lord Buddha, has several loop holes and it is not explained how her Father from Magadha married a South Indian.

    Many also seriously question the validity of Pandukabhaya story. What vamsa katha says, they point out, is full of loop holes. Upon birth, he was substituted by a new borne girl and sent to a shephard’s house in Dwaramandala village to save him from the uncles(Lord Krishna’s story). Did Pandukabhaya rule for 70 years? (The average of a person of the time was 30-40 years) His father Diga Gamini was said to have come from a nearby kingdom. But where was this kingdom, which has never been referred before or after that in any literature? Did Pandukabhaya actually build the Anuradhapura city as he said to have? (Excavations done reveal the city of Anuradhapura goes back to pre-historic times so apparently could not have been built by him, even if he existed)

    Regarding Anuradhapura, there are two other contradicting stories found in the chronicles.
    First, after murdering the many Yakkshas, when they were drunk after the wedding of Lankapuri king Mahakulasenar’s daughter Polamithai to Srisavasthu Prince, Vijaya marries Kuveni and builds up several cities, with the help of friends.
    The one built by a friend Anura was named Anuradapura. Similarly, Upatisagama, Uruvila, Vijithapura, Ujini etc were built.

    The second story was after marrying Pandu Vasudeva, Pathra Kanchana invites his brothers to settle here and some of them came with the masons and workers from India and built towns here. One brother named Anuradha built Anuradhapura, Raman built Ramagona, and so are Vijithan, Digayu, & Rohana.
    “The place where Rama settled is called Ramagona, the settlements of Uruvela and Anurädha (are called) by their names, and the settlements of Vijita, Dighayu, and Rohana are named Vijitagama, Dighayu, and Rohana. Anuradha built a tank and when he had built a palace to the south of this, he took up his abode there”.

    III) Before Mahinda Thera brought Buddhism to the Island Buddha is claimed to have had visited it three times and converted thousands, if not lacks into Buddhism. But it is also stated in Mahavamsa, that there were no human in the island when Vijaya visited and only Yakkas, Nagas, Asuras, Demons and other spirits inhabited. Why this contradiction, if it is written by the same author.
    It is also interesting to note that some claim Pandu Abaya’s father and husband of Uthira Chithira is a Yaksha and not a relative of Pathra Kanchana or connected to Sakya clan.

    Considering the three visits, at Bintenna (Mahiyangana) the ancient Yakkhas stronghold, the Buddha had to tame the ferocious, proud Yakkha communities through miracles and sacrifices also mentioned, which are against his own principles.

    The second visit to Nagadipa(Kalyani/Kalani) is regarding a settling of a dispute between two kings. Why should Lord Buddha devote his precious time with mundane matters particularly if there were no humans, whether Buddhists or not, in the Island. The history of Kelani maha vihare and the presence of Vibishanar, Vishnu, Kangadevi, Vigneswarar & Murugan (all except Vishnu are always behind closed screens) should also be examined.

    The third visit is with 500 others (who stayed here-but not when Vijaya landed) to Sripada and leaving his foot print after leaving his foot prints in Narmada and Saccabaddha, in India but it is doubted whether Buddha ever visited south of Vindyamalai Mountain. Adam’s peak or Samanakooda parvatham or Samanalakanda are abodes of samanar monks(and not butterflies’ as misunderstood), among other places and this story must have become a legend only after Kithsri Rajasinghe’s period.

    “There is a mountain between Sāvatthi and Sunāparanta. The Buddha stopped there on his way to see Punna in Sunāparanta, and preached to the hermit who lived on the mountain, and who also was called Saccabaddha. At the end of the sermon the hermit became an arahant. From Saccabaddha the Buddha went to Sunāparanta. On the way back to Sāvatthi he stopped at the river Nammadā, and from there he proceeded to Saccabaddha, where he left his footprint on the hard stone as clear as on kneaded clay. From Saccabaddha he returned to Jetavana- A park in Sāvatthi, in which was built the Anāthapindikārāma (SA.iii.17f.; MA.ii.1017f).
    There is in Siam a sacred mountain called Saccabandhava, which holds a footprint of the Buddha, said to have appeared there miraculously. Perhaps it is to be identified with the above. King Dhammika of Siam sent a model of this footprint, together with other gifts, to Kittisiri rājasīha, king of Ceylon. Cv. c. 253; Cv.Trs.ii.295, n. 2..

    Apart from these attempts, Mahavamsa could be considered as an honest and somewhat successful attempt to promote and preserve Theravada Buddhism in the country by Mahanama and/or others and has no racial connotations originally attached to it.

  293. 302. Anthony

    “Just one more reminder, there was NOTHING called Sinhala till the 12th CAD, all those ancient civilization were built by Tamils and Nagas.”

    Your belief is not a pre-condition for reality. You can believe any nonsense. You are only a amplifier of Devananda god. You have no knowledge of arguments or the nature of a theory or at least common sense as per your responses. If you feel you are not why don’t you refute what I said rather than just calling names only. You cannot stand false theories and cannot argue against sound theories. If you cannot answer my queries I don’t mind even if you ask your god Denananda to answer those plain arguments.

    Thanks!

  294. 288. Nagasamy;

    “This is an insightful historical piece. It is extremely well researched. The writer has provided plenty of information with enough quotes, references, and research documents of others to prove his point. It is very clearly written in the layman language. We need more of such articles especially in light of the Sinhala majoritarian distortion of history.”

    Monkey praises his own tail.

    Thanks!

  295. 302. Anthony

    “Just one more reminder, there was NOTHING called Sinhala till the 12th CAD, all those ancient civilization were built by Tamils and Nagas.”

    Your belief is not a gurantee for reality. You can believe any nonsense. You are only a amplifier of Devananda god. You have no knowledge of arguments or the nature of a theory or at least common sense as per your responses. If you feel you are not why don’t you refute what I said rather than just calling names only. You cannot stand false theories and cannot argue against sound theories. If you cannot answer my queries I don’t mind even if you ask your god Denananda to answer those plain arguments.

    Thanks!

  296. SOLI cried like a fool and asking the Kerala connection. I provided but he did not read them.

    I am happy if any one prove Bhikku Mahanama was a Sinhala monk!

    Now many guys have started throwing mud at each other to prove their stupidity.

    Can the author of this article Mr.J.L.Devananda find the origins of Bhikku Mahanama before he think about Gemunu?

    In my view I find Sinhalese and Tamils never had the concept of ROYAL, COUNTRY,KING, QUEEN, and other issues related to ROYALTY.

    Both Tamils and Sinhalese cry that their kings spoke their languages. That is a fun becuse no audio tapes available now.

    Can the Tamil Pandits tell the Tamil meaning of the words CHERA or CHOLA or PANDIA or PALLAVA from any TAMIL grammar? Or can they prove those words are TAMIL or has any Tamil meaning?

    Can the Sinhalese prove their ROYALS were from SINHALA families or from Sinhala background? Can they tell any ancient Sinhala Royal familes are still existing in Sri lanka?

  297. Dear Dane..

    Allow me the courtesy of a polite examination of the points you’ve raised.

    ”I think most of the people who are praising Nightfox do not know his background/history. He always comes out (cut & paste) with theories/researches/thesis that are already rejected by many scholars, and is very famous for quoting out of context/misquotes, a very popular history twister. He illustrates a deep bigotry and ignorance of Sri Lankan history”.

    Let’s pick this particular point shall we:

    ”He always comes out (cut & paste) with theories/researches/thesis that are already rejected by many scholars”

    First of all, have you actually read my post???

    If you had, you’d realise the self-contradicting undertone in your point.

    Second, pray do tell me which from the following list, are ”rejected” scholars:

    F.R. Allchin
    R.A.E. Coningham
    James W. Gair
    K. Indrapala
    Michael Roberts

    It appears Diane Hawkey’s work, once again, is coming under some serious flack for no fault of her own.. Please read what I have written with regards to Diane Hawkey’s findings, and the context its used in:

    …Indeed Dr. Hawkey did acknowledge that her sample size was limited, and hence the caveat that her conclusions with regards to the megalithic finds at Pomparippu were by no means academically ”iron clad” pending further material finds, never the less, what she can say with a qualified level of academic certainty, is that Ancient Sri Lanka was known to many maritime megalithic communities throughout Asia during this early phase, and that not only did they know of its location, they visited this island too. My use of Dr. Hawkeys findings was to demonstrate the fallacy in seeing ALL Sri Lankan Megalithic culture through a parochial South Indian periscope – my intention was not to assign ethnic tags on the remains of the people found, the purpose was to highlight the heterogeneity in Sri Lankan Megalithic culture.

    Now coming to your other point:

    He never engages in point by point arguments; …. 1. Give a link or site which hardly has any related material (If you say there is nothing, he will respond saying ‘Its there but you cannot see it’) …. 2. Give some source written by a totally unknown author or a prejudiced bigot just like him without any *verifiable data* …. 3. Quote some researchers completely neglecting the controversial nature of their research …. 4. Quote books/articles completely neglecting the obvious political biases and distortions of history in them and mostly he has not read them in full …. 5. Re-question or insult those who ask for information or cut and paste very long comments completely irrelevant to the discussion

    Once please do tell how the work of the following individuals (F.R. Allchin, R.A.E. Coningham, James W. Gair, K. Indrapala, Michael Roberts etc..) fall within the criteria stipulated in the your criticism matrix.. Please do enunciate how the following scholars are ”unknown”, ”prejudiced”, ”bigot” and ”controversial” as accorded in rather acerbic reply???

    I look forward to your response..

    Many Thanks

  298. Oh dear, got some time to see what is happening, I see extremists both Sinhalese and Tamils bashing Devananda while moderates from both sides appreciating his work.
    #133. Nadaraja’s comment is absolutely hilarious.
    There are many posts with no relevance to the articles.

     I agree with #290. Ananda,   nonsense or no nonsense, there are more than 300 comments here but except one (#82. Nightfox up to some extent), unfortunately nobody has still come up with a proper reply to refute J.L. Devananda.

  299. #307 Kari,

    The author of the above articles (JLD) has come up with many contradictions in the Mahavamsa, he also highlights the differences between Mahavamsa and Deepavamsa. A few members have also commented on the differences and contradictions here but your analysis is the very best. I have never come across such a detailed analysis before, you have done a great job. Nobody has ever thought of calculating the dates, excellent work. Mahavamsa scholars can be counted (very few) and you are one of them. A research very well done.
    If you can compile all the contradictions and the differences (as shown by others) in a logical order and write an article, I think many people will appreciate your work.

    While thanking you for a service well done, I look forward sir to read more and more of your comments/articles on this subject.

  300. 311. M.Sivananthan

    “I am happy if any one prove Bhikku Mahanama was a Sinhala monk!”

    But this is what you have said in your comment at 269.

    “But why all of you keep your mouth shut on the origins of Bhikku Mahanama? It is hard for all racists in both sides to accept the truth that Mahanama was a TAMIL.”

    One who asserts must prove. The burden is on you!

    Thanks!

  301. 1. “Neither Epigraphy nor Pali chronicles say Dutugemunu was a Sinhala”

    2. “But why all of you keep your mouth shut on the origins of Bhikku Mahanama? It is hard for all racists in both sides to accept the truth that Mahanama was a TAMIL.

    3. ……………..

    4. …………………….

    If you proved the “Lord Buddha” was a Tamil instead of trying various other people, you could have finished everything and achieved your goal in one go!

    (I think a Tamil scholar/historian will exploit this marvelous opportunity soon)

    Thanks!

  302. 311. M.Sivananthan

    “Can the Sinhalese prove their ROYALS were from SINHALA families or from Sinhala background? Can they tell any ancient Sinhala Royal familes are still existing in Sri lanka?”

    I am one. Don’t you see the crown on my head?

    Thanks!

  303. 317. yapa

    You need an institutionalized mental treatment very urgently. Just see where the nearest mental hospital is and rush there immediately, I mean as soon as you can before it gets worse.

    In case if you are living in Sri Lanka, you can join your pal Mugalan (#101) at Angoda, he has returned back to mental asylum (escaped once). Both of you can hallucinate together, there is a big audience to give you a standing ovation. You do not need to waste your time in a useless blog where people are simply ignoring you or calling names for your scholarly arguments. Remember not to remove your Royal crown when you visit the mental institute.

  304. The post of James @ 104 is a good evidence that the origin of the Tamils are not of Sri Lanka. It says Tamils are past peopled from the Coromandel coast of India.

    This is from a Tamil horse’s mouth. When I said in “Sinhala horses mouth” you all got upset and started insulting me. Please continue reading.

    “For those interested in knowing the Dutch and British records, let me give you extracts from their original records,
    Commenting on the provenance of the Tamil and Sinhalese languages the Dutch Predikant, Philippus Baldaeus who was in the Island during the mid 17th century asserts,
    “It is to be observed that in Ceylon they not only speak the Cinghalesche but also the Malabaarsche languages, the former from Negombo to Colombo, Caleture, Berbering, Alican, Gale, Belligamme, Matura, Donders etc., But in all other parts of the Island which are contiguous to the coromandel coast Malabaarsche is the prevailing language. I have heard it often asserted by the inhabitants of Jafna patnam that, that part of the country was times past peopled from the Coromandel coast and hence the dialect of their fatherland (which is situated so close to ceylon) the probable accuracy of this account is borne out by the circumstance, that in the interior of the country as Candy, Vintane, Ballaney etc, the Cinghalesche is the only language generally spoken”. ……………………………………………..

    Tamil Traditional Homeland is “Coromandel coast” in that case, eh?

    Thanks!

  305. Yapa as usual barked nothing but he is unable to find who is Mahanama!

    Sinhalese will soon tell Buddha was born in Dematagoada and walked all the way to Lumbini!

    I am not assert anything. Mahanama was the brother of Kasyappa’s mother who was a Pallava princess.

    Yapa or others cannot deny this fact. But they believe more racist propaganda than real history!

  306. 318. Nagarajah;

    “You need an institutionalized mental treatment very urgently. Just see where the nearest mental hospital is and rush there immediately, I mean as soon as you can before it gets worse.”

    Are you familiar with the “joint”?

    Thanks!

  307. 320. M.Sivananthan

    “I am not assert anything. Mahanama was the brother of Kasyappa’s mother who was a Pallava princess.”

    You need to learn the difference between RACE and ETHNICITY.

    I taught the LESSON to somebody else earlier. Please see 262.

    Mahanama Thero might have been a Tamil in race, but he was a Sinhalese by ethnicity. Ethnicity is much more stronger in social perspective than race, that is the reason why Mahanama Thero could write the Mahawansa, to be hated by the ignorant Tamils like you. Though he might have been a Tamil in his racial blood he was a pure Sinhalese in his mind.

    Do you accept if I say Tibetan S. Mahinda Thero is a Sinhala hero?

    My dear friend you are living in a modern world with a “Tribal Mindset”, which Sinhalese have shed about 2500years ago.

    Just like any modern nation like Canada and USA, anybody who integrate into the Sinhala society with any racial/tribal background is a Sinhalese. In modern day countries all all those coming from everywhere in the world become nationals of that country. Asians, Africans, Europeans, South Americans become Canadians in Canada shedding their racial backgrounds they had. Sinhalese were a “Modern Nation” from 2500 years ago and it absorbed all sorts of different groups int it to form the Sinhala Nation. Only Veddas were left, and the whole country became Sinhale, leaving Veddas in the jungle, but they were treated friendly by the Sinhalese. All the others who were not in the country when the Sinhala nation was formed and came here capture the island were considered as invaders and fought back. The peaceful settlers have always been welcomed by the Sinhalese nation. That is how Muslims became a part of the community of Sri lanka at a later stage. However, except a few ancestors of almost all the Tamils living in Sri Lanka came here not in friendly terms with Sinhalese. Some came as invaders and Some were brought here by colonials to as cheap labour without the consent of the natives of the country. Decedents of such people are trying to insult the Mahawansa, but their ancestors’ ancestors were living in India when it was written. Our kings brought wives from south India, but those people became the citizen of Sri lanka and their decedents have never become Tamils. All of them became Sinhalese just as Mahanama Thero as claimed by you. Ant Tamil persons that joined Sinhala royal families did not give birth to Tamil Children and present Tamil in Sri lanka has no any connection to those who joined royal families from South India. A few of the Present Sri Lankan Tamils have a history up to 13th century, and others’ doesn’t go beyond 16th century.

    Thanks!

  308. This author has very beautifully elaborated the facts what the present day historians have revealed. Unfortunately, even now, after so many archeological discoveries and testing using the latest technology, some people are still quoting the old historians and their obsolete theories and assumptions.

    The author has elaborated well on the Sinhalisation of Tamils but he has either missed or avoided elaborating how the Tamilisation of Sinhalese took place.

    Generations of Sri Lankans have grown up being conditioned that the Sinhalese were the sons of the soil (boomiputhra) and that the Tamils were South Indian invaders who came much later dislodging the Sinhalese in the North and occupying their lands. Similar to the Serbian view of Kosovo, the Sinhalese regard the North as Sinhala Buddhist land over-run by South Indian Invaders.

    This view has more recently been dismissed by historians and archeologists, as there is no evidence of large scale population displacement from the North.

    In areas where the Sinhalese were displaced such as in the North Central Province, place names have been replaced by new Tamil names, but in Jaffna there are to the present day “Prakrit” place names, which survive in a Tamil garb, such as Aliyawala(i), kodigama(m), Weligama(m) etc. Jaffna has Prakrit place names because the Sinhala language was developing from 5th century BC, but Sinhala ethnicity and ethnic consciousness is estimated by historians to have emerged only around 12th century AD. Between these two periods, various tribal inhabitants have populated the island (Yakkhas, Nagas, Demadas, and many others) and have spoken the early Sinhala-Prakrit.

    The place names Nagadipa and Nagakovil indicates that a tribe known as the Nagas have been one of the many tribes to populate the Jaffna peninsula. Tamil Sangam literature indicates that Naga poets from Nagadipa have contributed to the Tamil literature. In other words, the Nagas were familiar with both Prakrit and Tamil languages.

    This indicates that rather than wholesale displacement of the population, there has been a gradual Tamilisation. Recent DNA testing has also indicated that Sri Lankan Tamils are genetically closer to the Sinhalese than they are to South Indian Tamils.
    All this and other evidence has led historians to reject the old theories and advocate that what have taken place in Jaffna are language, religion and cultural replacement and not people replacement. The invasion of Rajaraja chola in 992AD resulted in Sri Lanka becoming a province of the South Indian Chola Empire that extended till Java, present day Indonesia.

    The same way that Sri Lankans in Colombo and the Western provinces have undergone language and cultural replacement by acquiring the English language, dress, cultural behavior and Christianity in some instance, because of their contact with Western colonialism from 1505 onwards, Sri Lankans in the North have undergone language and cultural replacement by acquiring the Tamil language, dress, Hinduism and cultural behavior because of their contact with South Indian colonialism from 992AD onwards.

    The place names, the numerous Bo-Trees and ancient Buddhist remains indicate that the people of Jaffna were Buddhists from about 400BC till approximately 992AD, but despite them acquiring the Tamil language, culture and Hinduism, even today, they continue to perform some of their religious rituals under Bo-trees as they did so many generations ago.

    Early Buddhists as Jaffna Peninsula had the principle port to India and a highway to the capital in Anuradhapura which is still in existence today, including some stone bridges.
    They would have been various tribes speaking early Sinhalese (Prakrit) language as Sinhala ethnic identity had not emerged by then. There are many Buddhist temples in Jaffna, which are today Hindu temples with Bo trees. Excavations have uncovered various Buddhist statues, including the Vallipuram gold plate. These are the archeological markers these people left behind before becoming Tamil Speaking people.

  309. “It stands to reason that a country which is only thirty miles from India and which would have been seen by the Indian fishermen every morning as they sailed out to catch their fish would have been occupied by men who understood how to sail. I suggest that the North of Ceylon was a flourishing settlement centuries before Vijaya was born.”
    Sir Paul E.Pieris, 1919, Nagadipa and the Buddhist Remains in Jaffna, Part II p.65.

    Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka had maintained close contacts since protohistoric times due to their geographical proximity. From the early period on wards, the South Indian mercantile communities like Vanijha, Sattu, Aiyavole, Nanadesis and Tisai Aiyirattu Ainurruvar and their medieval associated military communities like VÌrakkotiyar and Velaikkarar, in different periods played an important role in the economic and political history of the island;
    Osmund Bopearachchi – New Archaeological Evidence on Cultural and Commercial Relationships between Ancient Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu
    http://www.jisha.in/art1/7ob4y7qw8if.pdf

    During the early Iron Age, otherwise known as the megalithic period, South India and Sri Lanka “had shared a culture going all the way to the pre-historic period”. This was a revelation for Dr. Sudharshan Seneviratne, Professor of Archaeology at the University of Peradeniya, Sri Lanka, in the course of his research. Not only were megalithic burials similar, but paleo-biological and biological research showed that there were significant technological and cultural traits in common between the two regions, he said in an interview to T.S. Subramanian
    http://www.flonnet.com/fl2301/stories/20060127003610200.htm

    ‘Tamil Buddhist’ is fore-runner of ‘Sinhala Buddhist’: The former should lead
    — Prof. Sunil Ariyaratne

    “Although according to Prof. Neelakanda Sasthri the evolution of Buddhism is around 6th century BC, the emergence of “Tamil Buddhist” and “Sinhala Buddhist” happens after 3rd century AD, after Emperor Asoka’s period,” he said. Asoka during his 28-year rule spread Buddhism not only in India but also in other continents. The religion was spread in South India, then called Dravida land and in Sri Lanka, then known as Thammapanni.

    Tamils and Sinhala people have embraced Buddhism almost at the same time, says “Buddhism in Tamil Nadu” a research article published by Institute of Asian Studies. It says Mahinda Thero, son of Asoka, passed through South India visiting Kanchipuram, Kavekripoom Pattinam,, Nagapattinam, Pandia kingdom, Madurai, Pothigai Hills, and spreading the religion before reaching Sri Lanka.
    He said there is similarity among the cave temples found in Thiruparankundram, Kazhugu Malai, Marudamalai, Anamalai and Veerkaimani in Madurai and Tirunelvel districts and the caves of Sri Lanka “Mihindukuhava” where Mihinda Thero was believed to have lived.

    “If we believe Mihinda Thero and his followers went through Tamil Nadu to reach Sri Lanka, then we have to accept that the ‘Tamil Buddhist’ has emerged before ‘Sinhala Buddhist’,” the professor said.

    Around 12th century AD, there were many Tamil Buddhist monks who went to Sri Lanka, but they wrote Buddhist books in Pali language only, and hence Tamil Buddhist literatures were not created. But he was happy that a lot of Tamil Buddhist literatures cropped up around 2nd centuary AD; “Manimegalai” is supreme among them. Dhammpatham, Thirukkural and Suthra Peetakam are others, he said.
    Asian Tribune 01 June 2010

    The first systematic excavation and scientific examination of the site was undertaken by the University of Pennsylvania Museum team in 1970 headed by Vimala Begley. A ceramic sequence remarkably similar to that of Arikamedu was identified………
    The Radio-carbon dates were released by the Pensylvannia University Museum in 1977, but it took another five years for the Archaeological Commissioner of Sri Lanka to obtain these results from Bennet Bronson who was a member of the excavation team. These results were first published in Sri Lanka in the Sun group newspaper ‘Weekend’ dated 8/2/1982. The dates provided were a revelation, as two out of a total of sixteen artifacts analyzed gave out dates of 1300 BCE, implying the possibility of a Megalithic Culture commencement at this site during the second millennium BCE.

    THE KANTARODAI PERIOD OF ANCIENT JAFFNA 1000 BCE – 500 CE
    Dr Siva Thiagarajah – Sri Lanka Guardian

    If only we have presented history in the right context, Sri Lanka would have been a peaceful country. It is still not too late. For a start, let’s teach our children that there were Tamil Buddhists in this country. Some ultranationalists are quick to grab artifacts found in the north and say that the discoveries were proof enough to show that Buddhism was once prevalent in every part of the country. Their conclusion, however, was that there were Sinhalese in the north, practicing Buddhism. They failed to acknowledge that Tamils in the north were once Buddhists.

    A reading of the great Tamil epic, Manimekalai, by the 2nd century Tamil Nadu poet, Sathanar, would expose one to the influence of Buddhism among Tamils in Tamil Nadu and northern Sri Lanka.
    Sinhala Ignorance of Tamil Buddhism in Sri Lanka by AMEEN IZZADEEN
    http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/43

    Vallipuram is a small village near the tip of the North-eastern corner of Jaffna peninsula. At Vallipuram was discovered ruins of some funerary urns, usually associated with Dravidian civilization of the early centuries of the Christian era or even earlier. At Vallipuram was also found a fine Buddha image of stone, in the Amaravati style, which was unearthed in the land close to the Vishnu temple, which was brought to and preserved in Jaffna when it was presented by Governor Sir Henry Blake to the king of Thailand. When the land around the Vishnu temple was cleared, a gold plate inscription came to light in or about 1936.[4] It seems to have passed through various hands before it came to the hands of a Buddhist monk who finally handed this over to Senerat Paranavitana, the then Archaeological Commissioner of Sri Lanka. The small gold plate of 1 and 3/4” x 1”, consisting of four lines refers to the building of a Buddhist temple. On this meager evidence, Paranavitana rushed to the conclusion that the remains of a Sinhalese Buddhist civilization had been discovered there.[5] His imagination seems to have been propped up by the presence of a stretch of sandy waste, between the village of Vallipuram and the sea, which is strewn with vestiges of human habitations over an area about four miles in length and a mile in breadth, foundations of buildings, bricks, pottery and coins being occasionally brought to light by the villagers digging there.[6] The inscribed gold plate is claimed by Paranavitana to have been discovered beneath the foundation of an ancient structure.[7]
    Paranavitana had edited this inscription about forty years ago. His reading of the text, in transliteration is as follows:-
    1. Sidha Maharaja Vahayaha rajehi amete
    2. Isigiraye Nakadiva bujameni
    3. Badakara atenehi Piyaguha-Tisa
    4. Vihara Karite
    His translation is as follows:-
    Hail! In the reign of the great king Vaha and when the minister[8] Isigiraya was governing Nagadiva, Piyaguka Tisa caused a vihara to be built at Badakaraatana.
    From this short one sentence inscription, Paranavitana arrives at sweeping conclusions. According to him the script was Brahmi of the second century A.D. and on the whole, agreed with the alphabet which occurred in dozens of stone inscriptions of the period, found in various parts of the Island. He was able to note that some letters on this plate were of less monumental appearance and more cursive in character than the corresponding symbols found in stone inscriptions but he justified the difference in the materials written upon. He also came to the conclusion that the language was old Sinhalese, conforming in general, to the grammatical standards followed in other documents of the period. Paranavitana went further and declared that this inscription also proved that Nāgadipa was governed in the second century by a minister of the Anurādhapura king, that Sinhalese was the prevailing language and that Buddhist shrines were built there. This paper of Paranavitana had assumed unnecessary and unworthy attention recently as people have started writing provocative newspaper articles, quoting that paper without comment or criticism to deny Tamils, their historical habitat within the Island.[9] The present writer will try to show that Paranavitana’s claims are far too exaggerated. Paranavitana seems to have thought that palaeographically, Vallipuram Gold Plate did not mark any significant change from the other records of the Age in Sri Lanka. It fell to A.H.Dani to discuss the significance of the palaeography of this plate in a scientific way:- “Of these, the gold plate inscription has an individual character of its own. In this particular case, the lower curves of the verticals are over emphasized and the medial ‘I’ has a sharp curve to the left. The Ikshvaku forms are marked in a,i, u, ka (optionally), ga, ma, ya, ra, la and va. From the same source is copied the letter l̩a…. In the Ceylonese inscriptions, we have definite evidence of the school of Amaravati and Nagarjunakonda writing reaching Ceylon. Probably in the latter half of the third century A.D.”[12] Paranavitana who mentions the discovery of a Buddha image of Amaravati style, should have taken the clue and proceeded to compare the script at Amaravati and Vallipuram. The Ikshvākus were a dynasty ruling in Telugu speaking Andhra Pradesh and both Amaravati and Nagarjunakonda were in that region. What is important to note here is that though Andhra Pradesh was a Dravidian language speaking area, the rulers and the Buddhist monks were recording their inscriptions in Prakrit. [13] Though the Ikshvaku rulers were considered to be of an Aryan dynasty, they seem to have had close connections with the Tamils.[14]
    Tamil in Ancient Jaffna and Vallipuram Gold Plate by A.Veluppillai
    http://veluppillai.org/Vallipuram.aspx

  310. 291. Liyanage and 282.Yapa

    Don’t be hurry! Truth will come out slowly. Time will give all the proofs that you want. There is ‘No Smoke with out Fire’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-y87VSxSuo

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka_and_state_terrorism

    1. They didn’t fight for Sinhalese land in Srilanka. If this is correct- automaticaly other camp saying “Their motive was to protect their Sinhala Home Land from Megalomaniac Tamil Invaders”was wrong. simple logic.

    “But what is obvious is that based on these two theories one invader has clearly won and the other has lost.” Wrong Liyanage. Only one theorie two homelands.If two families in 2 different home, one family can’t interfear other family. Whoever invader only temprarily win .Infact sinhalse who first started this on Tamil Muslims at 1920’s. You may not know , There was some Tamls like poet S.Viswaratnam(Punkuduthivu) who opposed the action when Muslims were expelled from LTTE areas .But in 58,77 and 83, is any sinhalese voice for Tamils rather let them to ‘Sinhalese Thugs’ to be killed? In this situation what shoul you do?

    Please don’t jump into the Indian Ocean, If all majority follow you then we can’t afford another ‘Tsunami” (Just joking – Choice is entirely yours!) Why only innocent Tamils got killed whenever Sinhala invaders moving forward? (Eg: Sampoor but everywhere) but not happened whenever native Tamil forces moving Forward? (Eg: Same Sampoor) http://tvnz.co.nz/content/824060/425822.xhtml

    2. This is how SL was appreciated by European Union in 2010

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8518054.stm
    Don’t you know?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zn10k4DjFw&feature=related

    3. Thousands of innocent Tamils killed by SL army in the so called no-fire zone and innocent men and women shot dead on blind spot also seriously cannot be considered as fighting. Leaders could be protected by their body guards in different ways to continue their leadership. Otherwise like Elara and Dutagemunu, VP and MR had to have fight one to one. But unfortunately MR flew out the country and only came back later to claim “victory”!

    4. Liyanage you not Yapa, don’t need to give all the answers… Re-learn Indo-Lanka agreement. Use your own brain; you will know all the answers. It won’t contradict.

    5. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/we-decided-silence-our-guns-save-tamils-ltte-pleads-ic

    Yapa Kid (As others call you) you really need to grow! Norwegian Deputy Foreign Minister ,other diplomats and Ranil Wikramasinga all their action are terrorism?
    Until you stop your stupid questions, you not going to understand the real Tamil question. No one going to break this country into pieces like your biscuits unless Tsunami !

    You said-Can you justify your homeland claim as a reasonable one first of all? If so, I accept all of your point

    OK – Here is the proof. Read or Watch.

    http://www.guidetoaction.org/parker/selfdet.html

    Ms. Parker is a San Francisco based attorney who practices human rights and humanitarian law full time. She is responsible, in part, for the evolution of international law in such areas as economic sanctions, weaponry, environment as a human right, and the rights of the disabled. he also consults and serves as an expert witness in legal disputes involving the application of armed conflict law. In 1982, she founded the Association of Humanitarian Lawyers and has served as its president for over ten years.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URr4ncc6kzI

    Many Thanks!

  311. 325. Pong-Ping;

    You have no any arguments of yours, to refute our poins and prove your points rather than out sourcing them to “able foreign elements” who have no any idea of the history or the ground realities of this country?

    This shows the bankruptcy of your racial theories!

    Thanks!

  312. 325. Pong-Ping;

    “Yapa Kid (As others call you) you really need to grow!”

    See a Sinhalese kid is refuting all the false racial theories of fake Tamil Scholars!

    Thanks!

  313. 325. Pong-Ping

    “Ms. Parker is a San Francisco based attorney who practices human rights and humanitarian law full time. She is responsible, in part, for the evolution of international law in such areas as economic sanctions, weaponry, environment as a human right, and the rights of the disabled. he also consults and serves as an expert witness in legal disputes involving the application of armed conflict law. In 1982, she founded the Association of Humanitarian Lawyers and has served as its president for over ten years.”

    Anything said by even an old codger of white skin is gospel truth despite all ignorances and stupidities of them to you.

    What does this old codger know about our country? She may know some “home made laws” that they think as “universal truths” in ignorance on their false high mind set of western hegemony. Especially lawyers have no much idea of the modern philosophies and modern day realities. They are a lot relied on the old stories of the Bible and mythical ideologies. Lawyers are an outdated lot in the present cognitive/philosophical context of the modern world. They do any cussed thing if they are paid. Are you asking me to take the “8 minutes odd” opinion/acting of this paid labourer serious?

    When you take the ignorants of this level as serious, I can think of your level of ignorance.

    Ignorance is bliss!

    Thanks!

  314. 324. SivaKumar

    ‘If only we have presented history in the right context, Sri Lanka would have been a peaceful country. It is still not too late. For a start, let’s teach our children that there were Tamil Buddhists in this country. Some ultranationalists are quick to grab artifacts found in the north and say that the discoveries were proof enough to show that Buddhism was once prevalent in every part of the country. Their conclusion, however, was that there were Sinhalese in the north, practicing Buddhism. They failed to acknowledge that Tamils in the north were once Buddhists.

    A reading of the great Tamil epic, Manimekalai, by the 2nd century Tamil Nadu poet, Sathanar, would expose one to the influence of Buddhism among Tamils in Tamil Nadu and northern Sri Lanka.
    Sinhala Ignorance of Tamil Buddhism in Sri Lanka by AMEEN IZZADEEN
    http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/43

    ……………………..

    One of the main problems I have seen among many people/ (even) scholars is that not that they don’t have information, but their inability to process them in an objective manner to arrive at reasonable conclusions.
    Many does not possesses the rationality to process information or it is affected by the advantageous biases to them. Sound argument is the main tool in obtaining reasonable conclusions processing information. When arguments are not sound it not only destroys the valuable information but also leads a path to chaos and destruction. Wrong interpretations so obtained are the main cause of destruction of this country.
    Now see, what a destructive conclusion this writer is arriving at, by processing of “right information” using wrong arguments. He says,

    “Their conclusion, however, was that there were Sinhalese in the north, practicing Buddhism.”
    In other words his conclusion was that there were no practicing Sinhalese Buddhists in the north.
    Is this true? Sinhala inscriptions found in Kandarodei (Kadurugoda) and many other places in the north and historical records provide ample evidence to prove the opposite. Then how come this writer fell into this miserable state of arriving at this wrong conclusion. For this one should look at the nature of Logic, especially at Deductive Logic.

    Deductive Logic gives correct “conclusions” when both “premises” and the “arguments” are correct. If even one of them is incorrect it does not ensure correct conclusions, and arguments leads to “logical fallacies”.
    Applying the above into present context, you can equate “information” to premise. Even if information (premises) is correct, if the arguments used to process them are incorrect, it does not guarantee correct results (conclusions).

    Now, we will look at how and where the writer went wrong in his arguments.

    He wants to teach their children that there were Tamil Buddhists in this country. He mentions the Tamil epic, Manimekalai, to show that there were Tamil Buddhis in Sri lanka.

    True, if the facts he gives are true, his conclusion that there were Tamil Buddhists in Sri Lanka is correct. However, does this deny the premise that there were Sinhalese Buddhists in the north? Just because Tamil Buddhists were in the North, can one conclude that there were no Sinhalese Buddhists in the North.

    Logic is not a tool everybody can use. Some do not know to use them and some use it wrongly to persuade ignorants to accept their prejudiced opinions.

    Many cannot understand whether an argument is sound or not. They cannot identify fallacies from sound arguments. That advantage of ignorance is used by many writers in their writing to achieve their ends. Just like AMEEN IZZADEEN’s, Devananda’s writings are polluted with fallacies born of his dishonest thinking.

    I challenge Devananda to say it is not so. I am ready to hundred of fallacies found in his post that were used to boost the morale of the Tamil people.

    Devananda is a Tamil king of fallacies motivated in his ill will, and no entity to be heeded. He is only a bogus inflated image.

    Thanks!

  315. 323. Ranathunga
    but despite them acquiring the Tamil language, culture and Hinduism, even today, they continue to perform some of their religious rituals under Bo-trees as they did so many generations ago.

    Good points.
    Pl read the following and get entightenment re Bo tree and Hinduism, atleast the last sentence-

    “The peepal is also sacred to Buddhists, because the Buddha is believed to have attained enlightenment under it. Hence it is also called the Bodhi tree or “tree of enlightenment”.

  316. Please insert the following sentence before …………”He wants to teach their children……………” in my post addressed to 324. SivaKumar

    **** To make Sri lanka a a peaceful country IZZADDIN wants to present Sri lankan history in the right context.****

    and also insert following at the end of the paragraph beginning with …….”True, if the facts he gives are true…………..

    **** Now he is teaching history in “wrong context” to his children in an effort to teach them the history in right context. What an irony of fate, for a leaned writer? When Logic isn’t used in a right context such calamities happen.*****

    Thanks!

  317. To begin exposing the fallacies/lies/ wrong premises in the Devanada’s thesis please look at the beginning of the essay.

    To show the Tamil presence in Sri Lanka see what he is doing. He quotes “Akitti jathaka’s reference to “Dameda” (really in the Jataka story it is mentioned as “Soli Rata”) as an evidence of the presence of Tamils in early Sri Lanka. What an audacity?
    ………………………
    3.1. Tamil Presence
    Even though I only commented about the presence of Dameda in Akitti Jataka, Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka.
    ……………………….

    Though the Jathaka stories are popular in Sri Lanka, the country the Jathakas are based is not Sri Lanka but Bharatha, India. Akitti Jataka also describes a story in in India, not in Sri Lanka. In Sinhala Jataka Book, the story starts as follows,

    “Yata giya dawasa baranesnuwara brahmadatta num rajjuru kenek rajya karana kalhi purana lada bodhi sambhara ethi apa maha bosathano asu kelak sampath ethi bamunu mahasal kulayehi upanha.” (472. Akeerthi(Akitti) Jatakaya, Pansiya Panas Jathaka Poth Wahanse- Buddhist Cultural Centre, Nedimale , Dehiwala)

    In the Jathaka, this is how “Soli rata” is mentioned,

    “……………….sitha rathri bhagayehi yatath pirisein neganiyanta nodanva udakalawanikma kramayen soili ratata avuth……….”

    Here the soli Rata mentioned in the Jathaka is a country in India, (may be Tamilnadu or Kerala), but surely not in Sri Lanka.

    This cunning fellow, Devananda, is planting Indian Soli rata in Sri Lanka to deceive Tamils and others to achieve his ill willed end.

    Can you remember I was telling in a previous post “Many cannot understand whether an argument is sound or not. They cannot identify fallacies from sound arguments. That advantage of ignorance is used by many writers in their writing to achieve their ends.”

    Devananda is using that foul tactic to boost the morale of the innocent ignorant Tamils. He uses lies /fallacies to “choon”, innocent Tamils. It was this sort of Moda Choon of the educated Tamils paved way to calamity taken place in the country. Innocent uneducated Tamils like “Prabakaran” are the victims of these vicious theories(moda choon).

    Devananda’s Moda Choon will not last long. I challenge him to respond, if possible.

    Thanks!

  318. A Little bit more…… (in addition to my last post)

    (3.1. Tamil Presence
    Even though I only commented about the presence of Dameda in Akitti Jataka, Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka.)
    – Devananda

    If he has chosen Akitti Jathaka to comment about the presence of Dameda in Sri lanka among the other epigraphy (of the most mentioned ethnic group in ancient epigraphy), that particular piece of evidence (Akitta Jathaka) must have a more prominence than the others .

    If this is the state of the prominence evidence, one can think of the other evidence of him. I would like to call him a criminal.

    Thanks!

  319. NUMBER-2

    There is a popular Sinhala song,

    “Aadare aey podi handa mame obata methatam daruvo, handa mame,
    Gee kiya obatai amathanne me punchi nanga obage, handamame,”

    Gee kiya obatai amathanne, DEVANANDA MAME;

    J.L. Devananda Mame (uncle);

    Don’t get angry, when a ‘kid’ is going to find faults in your valuable article. But’ I cannot let me leave alone as I am a bit hyper active kid. On the other hand kids can see many things elders cannot see as in the case of Emperor’s Clothe.

    Please listen to me, Mame;

    Here is the sentence I quoted in my last post too, taken from your article.

    ‘Even though I only commented about the presence of Dameda in Akitti Jataka, Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka.”

    Can you prove your claim that “Tamil is the most mentioned ethnic group in Sr Lanka”, with evidence mentioning the relevant epigraphies.

    I put to you that your statement is a terrible lie.

    Thanks!

  320. Yapa

    Do not argue like a moron, go and read the Akitti Jataka in Tripitaka, It very clearly says “Dameda Ratta”.

    Now where did Devananda say “Dameda Ratta” mentioned in Akitti Jataka is for Sri Lanka???

    Do not be so stupid, when you read something read it properly, you are making yourself the biggest laughing stock in this blog.

    Without reading and understanding the article properly, just reading one paragraph somewhere in between out of the entire article, you are having a continous pre-mature ejaculations.

    GROW UP KID!

  321. 302. Anthony

    “Just one more reminder, there was NOTHING called Sinhala till the 12th CAD, all those ancient civilization were built by Tamils and Nagas.”

    Correct, Sinhalese king Gajaba, brought 24,000 labourers from Soli Rata to work in Sri Lanka and they worked to build the ancient Sinhalese civilisation. It is a well known fact that they were considered by many as labourers, by Portuguese, Dutch, Brits and French as well. Due to this fact Tamils are living across the globe in many countries. Soon they will claim that the civilisations of the particular countries were built by them. By 2025, I think they would claim the same in Canada, by 2030 in the USA, by 2032 in UK and 2037 in France.

    Civilisation builders to the world, Tamils! Lol!

    Thanks!

  322. 3.1. Tamil Presence
    3.2. Lack of Sinhala Presence

    In your vocabulary, I think “yes” must have the meaning of “no”.

    What a shameless man!

    One should not go to debate with these people, but brooms should be taken to bash these irresponsible shameless culprits on their backs! They are knitting another destruction for innocent people of this country.

    It must be true that clan of Devananda is related to Yakshas. According to one view of Indian scholars, humans who have no heed for good and bad were called Yakshas. I think none other can Yakshas can undertake a this sort of bogus venture.

    Thanks!

  323. ‘Yapa the Crazy’ you still not ready to listen or think.
    what you are doing is wasting your time and others time.
    Are you paid agent ? If you want we will collect some money through this forum for your ‘Chocolates’. Please concentrate on your ‘Nursury Rhyms’ don’t vomit your
    ‘Mega Ignorance’ here!

  324. yapa:
    Sri Lankan kings ruled Sinhalese and not necessarilly they belong to Sinhalese. Bhikku Mahanama was born in a Pallava Royal family and came to Sri lanka to promote Budhism like Monk Budhha ghosa who compiled TRIPITAKA from Tamil Pallava capital Kanchipuram!

    Mahavansa was written in PALI and not in Sinhala or Tamil. Kings never followed the current LANGUAGE discriminations. Even the last kings of Kandy were not Sinhala speakers but rulers of Sinhalese.

    So, your points to prove SINHALA are laughable.

  325. Yapa what is your history ?
    Beginning with Lion and human princess having sex – Then your ‘Grate Grate Granpa’ Born. Then your ‘Grate Grandpa ‘ also did the same with own citizens. Feduped citizens deported him through sea. Unfortunately he riched island of lanka and again he did the same to ‘Kuveni’ . (You have no right to claim this island )

    Your ‘Big Grate Grandma’ went into the jungle with kids. Your ‘Grate Grandpa and friends married again ‘Pandi Naddu Tamil pincess’ your ‘Modern world’ fathers born. Thats why you still in the confusion!

    Ignorance is your bliss!

  326. 341. M.Sivananthan

    I think you have not yet understood what I have said at 322. about race and ethnicity. Please read with a free mind, throwing away the pre-conceived biases.

    Our kings brought wives from other countries(India), because there was a tradition that royal marriages should be among royal families only and, Sri Lanka had no other royal families. This tradition is not limited to Sri Lanka alone and the tradition in India was also same. Indian kings also brought wives from different royal families, however, it didn’t change the race or ethnicity of the royal lineage. For example king of Kosala brought wives from Sakya clan, king Bimbisara’s daughter was married to Pasenadi of Kosala. These marriages didn’t change the lineage. On the other hand a king of those days had many wives, a harem, (Would you like to have one with different princesses from different parts of the world?) If the sons/daughters of a king from wives of different clans were to given their clan identities, a lineage cannot have single identity. Really the tradition was to despite what ever the race, the king was taken as belong to the people he was ruling. It is also a fact that there was a tradition that a king should have a royal lineage. This is mentioned in a stone inscription done by king Nissanka malla, which is still situated near the Parakramabahu palace. A king of any other royal lineage was preferred to a ordinary Sinhala man. That was the reason for bringing down “non Sinhala” kings from India to rule the country whenever there were no heirs to the thrown. However, they they became Sinhala before taking charge of the kingship. They embraced Buddhism, and people considered them as Sinhale kings despite their race. That is the reason why Wibave, a Sinhalese ordinary man took the name of “Doresamy” to show that he had a right to the thrown, before start fighting against the British colonials. Sinhalese preferred a Tamil royal prince than a ordinary Sinhalese as their king. Really is this a reason for one to shout that royal lineage of Sri Lanka was not Sinhala, but of Tamil? If really the Sinhalese of those day knew that some Tamil racist in the future would do this dishonest claim, I think they wouldn’t have brought even a Single wife from a race even had a slightest connection to Dravidian race.

    Don’t misinterpret facts to your advantage. All the Kings of Sinhale were Sinhalese despite their racial background. Sinhalese people wouldn’t have accepted them peacefully if not so. They fought all outsiders who came here by force. Any king with different race who came here without consent of the Sinhalese were considered as invaders and chased away using the force. The Kings with other racial backgrounds were accepted by Sinhalese because they became “Sinhalese” by ethinicity accepting the Sinhala customs keeping their racial past saide. Can you show any Tamilian who was ruled the Sinhalese without their consent and accepted as their king? No.

    Try to learn something sensible that your racial scholars try to hide for their selfish advantage. Sinhalese were/are not racist like Tamils, they had no discrimination towards other races. But Tamils (in general) wanted to break this country on racial basis.

    Thanks!

  327. Cupa;

    Is Cupa a distorted Tamil name of Sinhala yapa? Just like many place names?

    You all are engaged in a futile exercise. Get ready learn the real history of this country.

    Thanks!

  328. 340. Cupa

    “‘Yapa the Crazy’ you still not ready to listen or think.
    what you are doing is wasting your time and others time.”

    You are wasting your time in fear of me. In fear of TRUTH, in fear of REALITY.

    You just wait!, myth fabricators and propagandists

    Thanks!

  329. 336. Anthony

    “Do not argue like a moron, go and read the Akitti Jataka in Tripitaka, It very clearly says “Dameda Ratta”.
    Now where did Devananda say “Dameda Ratta” mentioned in Akitti Jataka is for Sri Lanka???”

    Ho! H!! In that case Devananda must have been trying to establish the Tamil presence in India this article, what a comedian?

    Your dishonesty has no bounds.

    Saw the moron?

    Thanks!

  330. Mr. Devananda;

    I must apologize to you, I have been harsh to you really not knowing your real objective. I considered you had been working against the interests of the Sinhala people. However, I realized only now you are rendering an immense service to the Sinhalese nation.

    Mr. Devananda, many Tamils are bogusly trying to establish that there was a Tamil Homeland in Sri lanka which goes even beyond the history of Sinhalese. I posted several responses to show that it is only a myth. However, no Tamil person except you have supported my view. It is very difficult to convince that prejudiced lot.
    I must be very grateful for helping me to refute their bogus claim. I think now they will accept the fact when a Tamil scholar like you is supporting my stance.

    Mr. Devanada, in your essay, you have cited “Akitta Jathakaya” to establish the Tamil presence in India. You have correctly pointed out there that where the “Demala Rata” (Tmil Homeland) was situated. In Akitta jataka the prince Akitta of Baranes (Benaris) city, had to go through Demala Rata (Tamil Homeland) in his journey to achieve his spiritual goal. Here you clearly showed and proved to these unscrupulous elements of Tamil society that Tamil Homeland is nowhere else than in India. Can you also tell me exactly where that was situated, In Tamilnadu, Kerala or somewhere else? I think by looking at your knowledge and scholarly competencies, I cannot inclined to think that you cannot know it.

    Therefore, my dear Mr. Devananda, just as you established that Tamil homwland was in India, please be kind enough to let us know in which part of India it was situated.

    Thanks for your valuable contribution!

    Earnestly look forward for your answer.

    Thanks!

  331. 342. Cupa

    “Yapa what is your history ?”

    Really, to tell you the truth, I used to be a Tamil. After, I realized what our people were unjustifiably plotting to do to Sinhalease of this country, I got frustrated about our community, Tamils. Even a blind person can see that it is unfair and wrong. So, I gave up my belief of our (Tamil) history taught to us by scholars like Deavanada and embraced and became a Sinhalese. They warmly welcomed me, and now I am happy, at least I am not guilty to my conscience. Really now I know what the real history of this country. I embraced the reality and now I am a happy Sinhalese, free from racial prejudices.

    If you want, you also can follow my path. Sinhalese are not racists, and they cordially welcome any body from any background into their society. I think they are following the the Buddha’s teaching. The Buddha has also preached that when any person enters his sasana, from any of the four caste prevailed in then society, they become equal giving up all the differences just the way the when the five great rivers (Pancha Maha Ganga) are fallen into the ocean and become a single ocean having the same salty flavour. I am living happily like the ocean among Sinhalese hospitality.

    Thanks!

  332. Whole article of Mr. Devanada was fabricated almost totally on unsupported data, assumptions and hypothetical thoughts deliberately done in prejudice to create an unfair and unjustifiable theoretical background for a false history of this country aiming at an foul venture in the future. A similar project done earlier by Tamil historians/scholars of the earlier generation ended with a calamity destroying thousands of people of this country. Therefore the “view formation” should be done with utmost care.

    History has proven that there is a tendency among humans to become slaves to views bias towards them. This bias in Buddhism is known as “Chanda” and is the most prevalent ferocious one among others. When somebody falls into this bias really they become blind and mad, they cannot see the truth and become unethical and violent to achieve the conceived view. This is evident throughout the world history. Nazis Killed millions of people based on their wrong view. Soldiers led by missionaries killed millions of people to persuade them to believe their views. Really the human history is a tragedy of wrong views.

    According to Buddhism wrong view is the main obstacle that prevents a person from seeing the truth/reality. Even in Noble Eight Fold Path that leads to Nirvana , the first step is correcting one’s view, making it Samma Ditti. All the actions of a person follows his view and hence if the view is wrong and destructive, it brings the wrongs and destructive results only. “Mano Pubbanga Ma Dhamma, Mano Setta Manomya”, the Buddha said. What I can say to view formers like Mr. Devananda, is to do it with a unbiased and unspoiled mind, in good faith. Such ventures only will be fruitful, and many other ventures bring only destruction. We already have had experienced enough of such destructions. Enough is enough.

    Thanks!

  333. Yapa:
    your story is funny. You tell the non-Sinhala kings ruled with the consent of the SINHALESE. Did they have any refrendums in the past?

    You now know well that Mahanama was a Tamil. Kings of Lanka too not from Sinhalese.

    Kings ruled without consent but with their forces.

    Now, after the European rule many non-traditions of Kings accepted in the society.

    I am not a supporter of LTTE and dont claim that I am supporting Sinhala racism!

    No Tamil homelands or Sinhala homelands existed during the days of the Kings!

    If the Sinhalese claims Sinhala homelands, Tamils have no option. They too will claim the same.

  334. 350. M.Sivananthan

    “your story is funny. You tell the non-Sinhala kings ruled with the consent of the SINHALESE. Did they have any refrendums in the past?”

    Let me explain further, Mr.Sivananthan.

    A problem with most of the people today is they cannot understand most of the things out of the context of western ideology. They think if there is no western concept to to explain some thing, the entity does not exist. Your problem in here is not different. Just because there was no a (western)concept known as “referendum” in the past, you conclude that there cannot exist anything called “consent”. Is it not a funny situation as said above?

    My dear Sivananthan, referendum is not the only way for expressing consent. We have had our own ways developed in our cultures to express our consent. Many are of today are of the erroneous opinion that every thing was developed in the west, and until they were donated to us by white skinned gentlemen who came here to civilize us, the people with an long lasted cultural heritage, holding the Bible in one hand and the sword in the other hand as the God himself. No my dear man, they came here to destroy us, to suck our blood. They did it to us, they did it to you. Do you consider your heritage which runs back to Upanishads and Vedas is inferior to those of developed on the Bible in the hands of white gentlemen?

    You are mistaken, you are misled, you are misguided. Please tear off your dark screen that covers your eyes, open them, be prepared to understand the truth, reality, with an unbiased mind, without misled by the lie fabricators like Devananda. This country is ours, not mine, we should learn to spread loving kindness to each other, without being a prey to the wrong views, fabricated for selfish advantages to live in peace in this geographical heritage of ours, in the pearl of the Indian Ocean. We must purify our views first, accept the truth first, then there won’t be any problem to live in this country in harmony.

    “You now know well that Mahanama was a Tamil. Kings of Lanka too not from Sinhalese.”

    I think I gave a reasonable explanation, I think you should give up your false claim.

    “I am not a supporter of LTTE and dont claim that I am supporting Sinhala racism!”

    Yes, please don’t do that. Please fight against them. Your actions should be always based on truth and justice. Disputes erupt only when the justice is denied.

    “No Tamil homelands or Sinhala homelands existed during the days of the Kings!”

    Then the “rose” was called in a different name. Do you think it had no its sweet fragrance, just because then the name was different?

    “If the Sinhalese claims Sinhala homelands, Tamils have no option. They too will claim the same.”

    If this is the case, I accept the fault is Sinhalese . Really is this the case?

    Thanks!

  335. Sorry DBS – really pissed off right now.

    Nice article – I am a Tamil/Shaivite/Mudaliar living in Tamil Akam.

    To all those malevolent Singhala Buddhists – DONT piss us off. Easy to threaten a weak Tamil population in Jaffna. But we in Tamil Nadu are a completely different proposition.

    YOU REALLY DONT WANT US TO FOCUS ON YOUR SINHALA DERRIERES.

    Never forget the Cholas. Now imagine if the Cholas were hackers. Oops! Did you know we are good in math and computers? (Of course, you don’t, you insular morons) Do check the Tamils in the IITs. (Do you have similar institutions in Ceylon? Of course not.)

    Would you like to be taken down? Yes, we are talking of the whole of Serendip. (We already have details of Gota raping the exchequer, and Mahindra Rajapakse in flagrante delicto.) Want your power and infra hacked?

    We are Tamil. We don’t forget or forgive. Suck on that while you finger your prayer beads. Cowards, you kill people bearing white flags. You even kill surrendering women and children.

    And BTW, the sramana philosopher Gautama was either a Nepali or Bihari and even his trips to Kanchi, Tamil Nadu, are controversial – forget about Ceylon.

    Try spouting this stuff elsewhere besides Galle Face Green and see what happens to y’all. Postmortem without anesthesia, baby…

    As I said earlier, sorry DBS – really angry right now. Very tempted to take these folks on. I hope they are the minority. If they are not, time will tell and we shall let loose the dogs of war.

    And there is nothing they can do… About time that these Sinhala human rights violators are the receiving end.

  336. Yapa (aka Mugalan)

    Without understanding the reason why Devananda used the word ‘Damila’ here, you are bluffing over and over and still continuing to bluff.

    Regarding Tamil country (Damila ratta), during the ancient time both South India and Sri Lanka are Tamil countries and people were just moving up and down (sand bridge, see Nasa satellite pictures). The Tamil country South India-Sri Lanka was ruled by Chola, Pandya, Chera, Pallava, Tissa, and Lambakarana dynasties. They also sometimes invaded each others land and fought battles but as a whole they were all Damilas and South India-Sri Lanka was Damila country, different land areas ruled by different dynasties.

  337. M.Sivananthan

    You are continuing to harp on Ven. Mahanama being a Pallava origin. What is your point here? Whether he was from a Pallava or Chola or Pandya or Tissa or Lambakarana is immaterial, he has done enough damage to the Tamils.

    SWRD Bandaranayake is from the house of Neela Perumal, he descends from a Tamil family but what is the use, he did enough damage to the Tamils. JR Jayawardne decends from the Thambi Mudliyar family, again Tamils but what is the use, he did enough damage to the Tamils. Who cares if Ven. Mahanama is Pallava or whatever?

  338. Anthony:

    Are you telling here that ONLY Sinhalese make problems? What about the Tamils?

    Bhikku Mahanama wrote a piece of history in a fashion existed in the old days. Remember it was in 5CE.

    Tamils of Sri lanka dont have a HISTORY book so far. Why? Many of them talk too much about Chera or Chola or Pandia but they cannot tell any TAMIL meaning for these words.

    Presence of Tamil or English is not a proof for claiming land ownership or separate nation.

    Language based politics is a colonial politics. Sinhalese and Tamils must giveup it for the sake of peace.

    Jaffna and Colombo were populated by laborers from Kerala and Africa during the Portugeuse times. That is the trouble in Sri lanka. Both areas are still want the WEST to run the country.

    Bandaranayake elevated TAMIL as a medium of instruction in schools but it was opposed by the Tamil politicians and the Catholic Church. Even the University of Jaffna was opposed by Chelvanayakam &Co.

    Are you all want a colonial rule again?

  339. Pallavan:
    What kind of Mudalyar you are?
    In Tamil Nadu many castes started to call themselves Mudaliyar during the British times!

    Mudaliyar is a not a CASTE because more than four castes use the word Mudaliyar with their name for pride. Dont you feel it is a fraud?

    In Tamil Nadu Vellaalar, Agampadiyar, Marawar, Kallan and Sengunthar use this word with their name. Can you provide why these castes except Senguntha stopped using their caste name such as PILLAI?

    WHITE FLAG is a funny story. LTTE always claimed eating cyanide was an act of HEROISM but no one ate cyanide during the last days of LTTE. Dont you feel something missing?

    You talk too much without knowing your own tamil Nadu. Your Tamil population elect CINEMA frauds as leaders. Only a miniscule population of TN enjoy life with Latrines and majority use the public roads without shame.

    Telugu Gopalasamy and Malayalee Seeman bark in TN for TAMIL. Dont you feel shame?

  340. Yapa

    “Whole article of Mr. Devanada was fabricated almost totally on unsupported data, assumptions and hypothetical thoughts deliberately done in prejudice to create an unfair and unjustifiable theoretical background for a false history of this country aiming at an foul venture in the future.”
    ———————————————————————————————-

    How can you comment on Mr. Devanada’s articles without reading them?

    Atleast, have you read the introduction? Atleast, have you read the conclusion?

    Please do not comment on something without reading it. I have read most of your comments here and all of them very clearly indicates that you have no clue of the articles written by Devananda but simply bad mouthing just for the sake of it.

  341. 353. Anthony;

    “Regarding Tamil country (Damila ratta), during the ancient time both South India and Sri Lanka are Tamil countries and people were just moving up and down (sand bridge, see Nasa satellite pictures). The Tamil country South India-Sri Lanka was ruled by Chola, Pandya, Chera, Pallava, Tissa, and Lambakarana dynasties.”

    To believe/tell such a lie without any shame, tell me are you totally dishonest or you have been fully brain washed?

    I cannot believe my eyes, to see anybody can write this kind of lies in a public forum.

    Try to be a bit honest, my dear man. Who are you going to deceive? Nobody can deceive everybody forever.

    Thanks!

  342. 357. Kasiappan;

    “How can you comment on Mr. Devanada’s articles without reading them?
    Atleast, have you read the introduction? Atleast, have you read the conclusion?”

    I read the article. But I think it is not an article suitable for reading. So much contradictory. So much fallacy ridden. So much ill intended. Full of hatred. It creates disharmony among Sri lankans. Does not bring any positive results.

    Thanks!

  343. Yapa,

    :”I read the article. But I think it is not an article suitable for reading. So much contradictory. So much fallacy ridden. So much ill intended. Full of hatred. It creates disharmony among Sri lankans. Does not bring any positive results.”
    —————————————————————————–

    What NONSENSE you are talking?

    Show me where it is contradictory, in fact it is showing the contradictory in Mahavamsa very clearly.

    Show me where it is fallacy ridden, in fact it is showing all the myths and fallacies of the Sinhala-Buddhists very clearly.

    Show me where it is ill intended and Full of hatred, it is actually the opposite of what you are saying.

    My dear fellow, please read it without imagining things which are NOT written or said by Devananda. You are simply hallucinating.

  344. 354. Anthony

    “SWRD Bandaranayake is from the house of Neela Perumal, he descends from a Tamil family but what is the use, he did enough damage to the Tamils. JR Jayawardne decends from the Thambi Mudliyar family, again Tamils but what is the use, he did enough damage to the Tamils. Who cares if Ven. Mahanama is Pallava or whatever?’

    Thank you for helping me to prove my point, that race is insignificant compared to ethnicity in social context. Despite the race connection of SWRDB and JRJ, they had no any affinity to Tamils, they were Sinhalese (and westerners in) their culture and hence in their ethnicity. You know JRJ was also known as “Yanki Diki” due to his cultural affinity to USA.

    Race has become significant in a very few occasions in the recent history. In Nazi Germany and in Israel. The other example was in Sri Lanka. You know what it is.

    I think Mr. Sivananthan will be convinced now. Many Tamils will understand the futility and irreverence of race politics.

    Thanks!

  345. 360. Nadarajah;

    Do you want me to show how Deavanada’s article is fallacy ridden, contradictory, ill intended and full of hatred? If you want I will show them one by one. I can do it and I will do it if you are insisting. As I said in my first post refuting Deavananda’s false concepts is not easy because, of the quantum of arbitrary arguments. This is what I have said in my first post at 7.

    “It is very difficult to refute a whole lot of arbitrary arguments when all of them are present in a single article. The writer tries to dispute hundreds of concepts in a single article, which really had been established with many corroborative facts. None can really answer his quantum of queries raised in this article without writing a couple of hundred books, this is the advantage/cover the writer is seeking against challenging his article. Challenging his article is a massive task not because of the facts it contains, but because of the mighty quantum of the concepts queried and the huge number of fallacies it contain.”

    If somebody really wants my feed back, I will not refuse attending to my duty.

    However, it is my opinion just looking at the article you also must have understood the fact that it is a useless article, though you are pretending it is not so.

    Thanks!

  346. 362. yapa
    “Do you want me to show how Deavanada’s article is fallacy ridden, contradictory, ill intended and full of hatred? If you want I will show them one by one…
    If somebody really wants my feed back, I will not refuse attending to my duty.”

    No thanks, Pl take a rest.
    You have already posted 61 comments, the sum total of which is far bigger than this( Devananda’s) article, and you still think you have not answered him. That’s sad.

  347. Yapa,

    By your comments, you are proving again and again that you are a joker. Count the number of lengthy comments you have made here, but unfortunately NOT a single one to refute even one of those so called “hundreds of concepts” what Devananda has written.

    You remind me about the woodcutter with a blunt axe, he keeps on cutting for days and months without any outcome.

    If you are Mugalan as someone commented, then you have already gone to the right place. I feel that you should rest now after spending so many days of hard work (writing) even though there was no outcome.

  348. Yapa,

    By your comments, you are proving again and again that you are a joker. Count the number of lengthy comments you have made here, but unfortunately NOT a single one to refute even one of those so called “hundreds of concepts” what Devananda has written.

    You remind me about the woodcutter with a blunt axe, he keeps on cutting for days and months without any outcome.

    If you are Mugalan as someone commented, then you have already gone to the right place. I feel that you should rest now after spending so many days of hard work (writing) even though there was no outcome.

  349. 364,365,366;

    If there is no any outcome of my posts, why you guys are so excited about them? It is an indication that arrow has found its target. I don’t need commendations from you guys. Your enthusiasm for confronting is a real witness.

    My advice to you, do things with good intentions.

    Thanks!

  350. yapa”
    I am happy how Tamils and Sinhalese lived happily without language problems in the past.

    In fact I am proud to tell that Bhikku Mahanama was my ancestoral relative and to a relative of the Kings of Jaffna.

    I dont like the “PARANGI” ideology of language
    separation

    Then dont claim that they are Sinhalese!.

  351. 367. M.Sivananthan;

    “I am happy how Tamils and Sinhalese lived happily without language problems in the past.”

    I also think that we should live together without quarreling with each other in the future too. For this we should abstain from trying to get undue advantages on the expense of others. We should not entertain false theories, we should identify spade as a spade and should not call it something else. Reality/truth can be the only base of justice. Distorted reality cannot hold it for a long time. Therefore everybody should be prepared to accept the reality in the history or whatever it is if we want justice and real peace in the country. If somebody wishfully thinks and wants to prove that any other community of this country has more rights than Sinhalese, that misconception should be kept aside before thinking of any settlement. None can deny that Sinhalese are the civilization builders of this country, and none can claim the rights they are entitled to, through it for thousands of years in this country. Other than the 12% Tamil population of this country, no other community try to dispute this fact. That is the reason why there is no any issue with the other communities living in this country, the are living peacefully with Sinhalese. Undue claims of the educated Tamils like Mr. Devananda are the main reason for the communal problems took place in the country. Misguided average Tamils took them as gospel truths and went for easy fortunes and marked the end of harmony in the country. Really educated Tamils are the culprits.

    We should shed false theories and live peacefully as brothers and sisters just as the other communities living in this country.

    Justice is the bond that keeps a society together – Aristotle.

    Thanks!

  352. Yapa,

    Don’t you believe that both Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils are from the same stock?

    Leaving the culture and language aside, their physical appearance, features, complexion, and many other similarities shows that they may be the same people who drew a line between themselves after adopting two different language, religion and culture due to strong influence from North and South India and later formed into two groups.

    Unfortunately due to ignorance, each one considers themselves as superior to the other.

  353. 370. Balan;

    Evidence support the other way round.

    However, this fact is not an obstacle to live peacefully in this country, once we learn to accept the realities/truths and learn to respects each others’ due rights.

    Why Tamils want to be like Sinhalese? They must be proud of themselves having unique characters inherited to them. They must try to be themselves.

    There is no necessity to have each and everything that Sinhalese possess to live in this country as equal partners. If similarities in every respect is a pre-condition for peaceful living, that peace will never be achieved.

    We should not go for false denials of differences, and must understand accept the differences as it is, but should keep them aside to live in peace. Differences should not be a point for quarrel.

    We cannot make Tamils, Sinhalese. Tamils are a set of respectable people just as Sinhalese, though they are different are different in some respects.

    Thanks!

  354. What Mr. Devananda says is 100% true, the dirty racist politicians, some news paper journalists, a few highly educated but narrow minded / low mentality university professors, lawyers, scholars and intellectuals, some text book writers and some members of the Maha sangha, by using the unhistorical and dangerous Mahavamsa as a guide, inject the poison of racism and hatred into the minds of ordinary innocent Sinhalese people (even young children). They are misguiding the gullible masses to believe that the Tamils are aliens and invaders and not the natives of Sri Lanka.

    Fortunately, these people are only a handful, less than 1% of the Sinhala population. It is not us but the government should deal with these people head on, but unfortunately, even the government is listening to them because they receive support from these racists to get elected.

  355. Yapa,

    You have misunderstood by comment. Tamils will NEVER EVER want to become Sinhalese but the Sinhalese right from DS Senanayake wants to make the Tamils get converted to Sinhalese. The N & E Tamils always think that they are very much Superior to the Sinhalese. What they believe is that the Sinhalese are actually low caste Tamils who came from South India but are wrongly claiming that they are Aryans just after adopting the Indo-Aryan language and the Buddhist religion. If the Tamils wanted to become Sinhalese as you said, it is very simple, they have to simply join them, learn their language, follow Buddhism and the culture; they do not need to go to war against the Sinhalese.

    My comment was based on the following,
    From ancient period till now, people were migrating from place to place and they either get naturalized with those existing tribes or get evolved into a new tribe/ethnic group. This is taking place throughout the world even today.

    It’s not the matter of when you came or from where you came, if you get naturalized with the people living in that land, you become a part of them (natives).

    It is very obvious and historically proved that both Ceylon Tamils and Sinhalese are people from many different origins and ethnic groups and some of them are common to both.
    The people in the North (who may not be even Tamils before the 12th CAD) had a very strong influence from the Tamils of South India. As Prof. K. Indrapala says, they may have adopted the language, religion and culture from them (Tamil Nadu). However after the 12th century AD, the naturalization has turned into Sinhalization and Tamilazion.

    It is also an accepted fact by the historians that a very large number of South Indians (Tamils-Tamil Nadu, Malabars-Kerela, Telugus-Andra and Kalingas from Orissa) came to the Island of Sri Lanka throughout the ages as Invaders, Peaceful immigrants, Warriors, and Invitees in the form of Kings for the Sinhala throne, Queens, marriage partners, maids, craftsmen, solders, coolies, workers, etc who later settled in the Island and most of their descendants became Sinhala Buddhists during the course of time (Sinhalization). Similarly, many Sinhalese who lived in the North and East were Tamilized.

    Today, the situation is different, both their differences are fully crystallized, they live in two separate well demarcated areas, both are a majority in their native lands where they have lived for centuries (may be from the 12th century AD), both have two separate language, religion and culture.

    When they are taken into a unitary state system, then obviously the majority/minority problem arises and through world history as well as our own history, we all know what has happened to the minority in the hands of a majority. It’s a common problem in this world which, most of the intelligent leaders from many parts of the world have solved through a federal state system.

    Please do not underestimate the Global & SL Tamils, the Tamil problem in Sri Lanka is not solved yet, only suppressed by temporary means. The end of LTTE is not the end of the ethnic problem in Sri Lanka. If you know the history of Sri Lanka well, it continued to repeat in Sri Lanka over and over as we have seen for the last 2500 years, and another invasion from TN cannot be ruled out.

    Today we have very moderate Chief Ministers in Tamil Nadu such as Karunanidi and Jayalalitha but do not think that it will remain the same. Tomorrow, these moderates will be swept away and hardliner Tamil ultra-nationalist chief ministers may take over. There can be not just another Prabakaran but another Hitler in TamilNadu in the future and the Singalese may have to deal with fresh invasions.

    In Sri Lanka, a permanent solution is possible only if the N & E Tamils and the Sinhala government with its two thirds majority provide a federal constitution with an endorsement and a guarantee by both parties and the UN. Only this will avoid the Indian interference in Sri Lanka.

  356. 372. Thevanesan;

    You are entitled to live in your dream world. We cannot do anything about it, other than reciting a lullaby.

    Thanks!

  357. 373. Balan;

    Now it is really visible where Devanada (and you) are coming from and where you want to take us.

    “Please do not underestimate the Global & SL Tamils, the Tamil problem in Sri Lanka is not solved yet, only suppressed by temporary means. The end of LTTE is not the end of the ethnic problem in Sri Lanka. If you know the history of Sri Lanka well, it continued to repeat in Sri Lanka over and over as we have seen for the last 2500 years, and another invasion from TN cannot be ruled out.
    Today we have very moderate Chief Ministers in Tamil Nadu such as Karunanidi and Jayalalitha but do not think that it will remain the same. Tomorrow, these moderates will be swept away and hardliner Tamil ultra-nationalist chief ministers may take over. There can be not just another Prabakaran but another Hitler in TamilNadu in the future and the Singalese may have to deal with fresh invasions.”

    Sinhalese have seen and came across more fearful ghosts in the past. They never were scared and will not be in the future.

    You want to teach us a lesson by your big brothers in Tamilnadu? In spite of your all efforts to say that Tamils are natives of this Sri lanka, you turn towards Tamilnadu for the slightest breeze you feel. It really shows where you all really came from.

    Continue with your good effort and see. You will reap as you sow.

    Thanks!

  358. Yapa,

    You are entitled to live in your dream world. We cannot do anything about it, other than reciting a lullaby.
    This is exactly what I have to tell you. A very good example of a dirty black pot calling a clean kettle black.

    In spite of your all efforts to say that Tamils are natives of this Sri lanka, you turn towards Tamilnadu for the slightest breeze you feel. It really shows where you all really came from.
    Ha, ha, this is absolutely hilarious. This guy talks as if the Sinhalese came from heaven. Read Mr. Devananda’s article, he proves with evidence that 75% of the Sinhalese came from South India and the Sinhalese became a majority due to migration from South India to South Sri Lanka and conversion/naturalization with the local Sinhala-Buddhists. The Sinhalese have more Tamil Nadu blood than the Sri Lankan Tamils.

    As an oppressed minority, of course, in spite being the original natives of this Sri Lanka, we turn towards Tamilnadu for the slightest breeze we feel not because we came from there but our language, religion and culture came from there.

  359. 376. Thevanesan;

    “Ha, ha, this is absolutely hilarious. This guy talks as if the Sinhalese came from heaven. Read Mr. Devananda’s article, he proves with evidence that 75% of the Sinhalese came from South India and the Sinhalese became a majority due to migration from South India to South Sri Lanka and conversion/naturalization with the local Sinhala-Buddhists. The Sinhalese have more Tamil Nadu blood than the Sri Lankan Tamils.
    As an oppressed minority, of course, in spite being the original natives of this Sri Lanka, we turn towards Tamilnadu for the slightest breeze we feel not because we came from there but our language, religion and culture came from there.”

    Talking in sleep or mind gone off ?

    Thanks!

  360. Kandyan Convention written in English and few Dissawes signed in Tamil. Tamils make some wild claims about the TAMIL RULER of Kandy but the NAYAKS were TELUGU and ruled Tamils for few centuries.

    What about the JAFFNA convention signed between Portugeuse and Jaffna ruler? Our Tamil champions will cry loud because it was written in Sinhala and Portugeuse languages and not in Tamil.

    The document was kept in GOA and it was shipped to Lisbon later.

    Tripitaka was written in Sinhala and translated to PALI by a Buddhist monk Buddhagosa from Kanchipuram.

    We can find Tamils among Sinhalese and viceversa. Jaffna village names(90%) are Sinhala and not in Tamil. We can see TAMIL village names in Western Province as well as in Southern Province.

    Portugeuse brought thousands of Malayalees(Malabaris) and African slaves to Sri Lanka. Where are they now?

    Simin Cassie Chetty’s first census tell about LIBERATED SLAVES and unliberated slaves. In Jaffna VELLALA population was 1% in 1830. How did Vellala population became more than 80% in the 60s? Cross overs?

  361. 378. M.Sivananthan  

    You are obsessed with a Sinhala-Buddhist Mahavamsa mindset. You must be one of those innocent Sinhala-Buddhist children who was brainwashed from very young days.

    Having a Tamil psedo-name will not change your mindset. By the way, for your information, all what you have said above do not have any evidence.

    For example, Kandyan Convention written in English and few Dissawes signed in Tamil is available for us to see but until now NO body has seen the JAFFNA convention signed between Portugeuse and Jaffna ruler which is supposed to be kept in Lisbon.

    NAYAKS were TELUGU and ruled Tamils for few centuries??? Can you prove it. Where is the evidence?

    Buddhist monk Buddhagosa has NEVER mentioned anywhere that the Tripitaka was written in Sinhala and he translated it to PALI, very recently some Buddhist monks have created this story that Tripitaka and Mahavamsa were originally written in Sinhala and later translated to Pali. Till today there is NO proper Sinhala version of Tripitaka and Mahavamsa. What happened to all those original OLa maniscripts (written in Sinhala) which were believed to have been preseved for more than 1000 years but suddlenly dissappeared after it was translated into Pali???

    “Jaffna village names(90%) are Sinhala and not in Tamil.”

    This is pure NONSENSE, till the 1970s there were NO proper Tamil/Sinhala/Sanskrit/Pali/Prakrit etimologists to do an extensive study to find the actual meanings of those words and therefore people like Rasanayagam, Gnanaprakasam, and Indrapala also thought that those were Sinhala names but today we have well qualified Tamil/Sinhala/Sanskrit/Pali/Prakrit etimologists like F S. Gandhji Wandaiyar and many others, today we know for sure that those are NOT Sinhala names.

    “Portugeuse brought thousands of Malayalees(Malabaris) and African slaves to Sri Lanka. Where are they now?”

    They were all settled in the South from Puttalam to Matara. Today you will not find them as Malayalees(Malabaris) and Africans because they have become Sinhalese.

    ” In Jaffna VELLALA population was 1% in 1830. How did Vellala population became more than 80% in the 60s? Cross overs?”

    DO YOU HAVE ANY AUTHENTIC EVIDENCE TO PROVE THIS???

    Do not talk rubbish like your beloved Guru Prof. Nalin De Silva who needs psychiatric treatment.

    COME OUT FROM YOUR MAHAVAMSA MINDSET!

  362. 378. M.Sivananthan;

    “Simin Cassie Chetty’s first census tell about LIBERATED SLAVES and unliberated slaves. In Jaffna VELLALA population was 1% in 1830. How did Vellala population became more than 80% in the 60s? Cross overs?”

    So called “Tamil Original Inhabitants” who claimed to have lived thousands of years ago in the island, by Deavnabda and others, must have born again (as Vellalas).

    Those unscrupulous elements cannot deceive everybody forever. At any cost truth must come up. In our part we will not let truth to be subdued in the future, with fabricated lies. Everybody in this country must be prepared to accept the the truth and go for a settlement on that basis. Nobody should try to take undue advantages, through wrong means, as in the past which led the country for a huge destruction. All must stop the foul play.

    Thanks!

  363. Very interesting and educative article by JLD with plenty of details very well analyzed. Nobody has still rebutted most of these important points and especially all his challenges. A Great article to know the history and how it was manipulated by some elements, after reading this article, if anybody still believes that the Mahavamsa is the authentic history of Sri Lanka, then he/she really need to be examined by a well qualified psychiatrist.

    There is one important point he has missed when he said, there may be many Tamil Theravada Buddhist kings but since their ethnicity is not reveled (only non-Buddhists were mentioned as Tamils), we will never know.

    In Tamil Nadu the Pandiyan Kings were known as VIJAYA PANDYAN, VIKRAMA PANDYAN, PARAKRAMA PANDYAN, VIRA PANDYAN, VIKRAMA PANDYAN, VIRA PARAKRAMA PANDYAN, JAYA PANDYAN and so on.

    In Sri Lanka, some of the Buddhist Kings were known as VIJAYA BAHU, VIKRAMA BAHU, PARAKRAMA BAHU, VIRA BAHU, VIKRAMA BAHU, VIRA BAHU PANDYAN, JAYA BAHU And so on.

    In Sri Lanka, the same Pandyan names are prakitized. PANDYAN is replaced with BAHU. None of these are names of any North Indian kings or Naga kings. These kings were pure Tamils from the Pandyan dynasty but they were not mentioned as Damelars or invaders because they were Buddhists.

    The city of Madurai, Tamil Nadu is one of the continuously inhabited ancient cities of the world and it was a well developed and well planned ancient city on the banks of river Waikai. It was the capital of Tamil Pandya dynasty and the Pandyas were the close allies of the Sinhala Royal house of Sri Lanka from the beginning of Sri Lanka’s history. From the King Abahaya Pandyan (Pandukabhaya) to Parakrma Bahu, most of the Tamil blooded Kings and Queens of Sri Lanka were from the Tamil Pandya dynasty. The Sri Lankan King Abhaya Pandyan aka Pandukabahaya received help from his native city of Madurai in the planning of the city of Anuradhpura. Even recently, in the Kandy kingdom, the Kandy lake was built by the Tamil King Sri Wickrama Rajasinghe was designed after Madurai Thepapakulam.

  364. 381. Girikanda Siva;

    “In Tamil Nadu the Pandiyan Kings were known as VIJAYA PANDYAN, VIKRAMA PANDYAN, PARAKRAMA PANDYAN, VIRA PANDYAN, VIKRAMA PANDYAN, VIRA PARAKRAMA PANDYAN, JAYA PANDYAN and so on.
    In Sri Lanka, some of the Buddhist Kings were known as VIJAYA BAHU, VIKRAMA BAHU, PARAKRAMA BAHU, VIRA BAHU, VIKRAMA BAHU, VIRA BAHU PANDYAN, JAYA BAHU And so on.
    In Sri Lanka, the same Pandyan names are prakitized. PANDYAN is replaced with BAHU.”

    This way anybody can argue that Sinhala BAHU was replaced by PANDYAN in Tmilnadu and Pandyan kings were Sinhalese.

    What a pack of jokers!

    You all can keep on talking nonsense and weep for ever, but the caravan will not stop its journey. We will not let any terrorism in this country again. Without misleading innocent Tamils in this country, let them live peacefully in this country. Settle for justice.

    Thanks!

  365. #382 Yapa

    “This way anybody can argue that Sinhala BAHU was replaced by PANDYAN in Tmilnadu and Pandyan kings were Sinhalese.”

    I think this fellow does not know any history. Please read atleast your Mahavamsa before writing something.

    The Pandyans of Tamil Nadu RULED Sri Lanka, even king Vijaya and his men took wives from Pandyans. Now, when did ANY Sinhala king rule Tamil Nadu?

    All the Pandyan royal names what I have mentioned are being changed to Bahu. All the Buddhist BAHU kings are PURE TAMILS (PANDYANS). Just because they are Buddhists, the Sinhalese want to claim that they are Sinhala.
    This is how the Sinhalese including Paranavithana twisted and manipulated the history.

    You have become a certified JOKER in this blog so, do not judge others by your standards.

  366. Yapa,

    “Without misleading innocent Tamils in this country, let them live peacefully in this country. Settle for justice.”

    WHAT NONSENSE!

    How can the Tamils ever live peacefully with the Sinhalese when they Plant Bo-Trees and erect Buddha Statues in Tamil areas where NO Buddhists live?

    How can the Tamils ever live peacefully with the Sinhalese when the Sinhala-Buddhist barbarians are destructing the Tamil Graves and trampling their head stones? They are not letting even the dead to rest in peace.

    The sons and daughters of Tamils who were buried in those destructed graves died as TAMILS. The Sinhala barbarians have trampled their head stones but they cannot trample the memories of those heroes from the hearts and minds of Tamils around the globe.

    Throughout the history of the ethnic conflict in this island the Tamils have always respected the symbols of the dead of the Sinhalese. In total disregard to this custom throughout the world, the Sinhala-Buddhists have made the destruction of the war heroes’ cemeteries of the Tamils into one of their tradition- Barbaric Tradition.

    You are talking about Tamils live in peace with the Sinhalese? Well, ask yourself, will the Tamils ever forgive or forget this Barbaric acts of the Sinhala-Buddhists even when there is no threat from any Tamils?

    The Tamils have been sharing this island with Sinhala-Buddhists from the beginning of history and they know how to deal with the Sinhalese, let us see how the caravan will continue its journey.

  367. “How can the Tamils ever live peacefully with the Sinhalese when they Plant Bo-Trees and erect Buddha Statues in Tamil areas where NO Buddhists live?”

    Tamil areas? I have not heard about Tamil or Sinhala or Muslim areas in Sri Lanka. The whole country is commonly belonged to all the citizens of Sri Lnka.

    Therefore, what you are referring must be an area in Tamilnadu, I suppose.

    “In total disregard to this custom throughout the world, the Sinhala-Buddhists have made the destruction of the war heroes’ cemeteries of the Tamils into one of their tradition- Barbaric Tradition.”

    War heroes? Are you referring to ruthless LTTE terrorists?

    “You are talking about Tamils live in peace with the Sinhalese? Well, ask yourself, will the Tamils ever forgive or forget this Barbaric acts of the Sinhala-Buddhists even when there is no threat from any Tamils?”

    Really I have no idea about it. However, we really know the harm done by the LTTE and the racial Tamil politics is “unforgettable”, but as Buddhist we prefer to keep them aside and to live peacefully with other communities.

    “The Tamils have been sharing this island with Sinhala-Buddhists from the beginning of history and they know how to deal with the Sinhalese,”

    Don’t you learn lessons from the history? I am extremely sorry about you. But don’t put innocent Tamils in trouble by your insane thinking and actions.

    Anyway, I like your emotion dripping essay. Try to produce some more in the future. All the best.

    Thanks!

  368. 383. Girikanda Siva;

    “All the Pandyan royal names what I have mentioned are being changed to Bahu. All the Buddhist BAHU kings are PURE TAMILS (PANDYANS). Just because they are Buddhists, the Sinhalese want to claim that they are Sinhala.”

    What proofs do you have?

    Thanks!

  369. #379 Anthony
    Your name is neither TAMIL nor SINHALA. Can we think you are a WHITE man?

    Further you are very shallow in reading historical documents.

    Read “CEYLON GAZZETEER” of 1830 to know about the VELLALA population which was only 1% in 1830.

    Nayaks were the kings of Vijaya Nagar which rose to power in Andhra and captured whole Tamil Nadu in 13th century.

    You better go to a library and read first before bark here!

    If ANTHONYS are Tamils. Sivananthans are better Tamils. Your racist barking is based on LTTE propaganda which has no basics.

    Jaffna kingdom was destroyed by Catholic Portugeuse and robbed by them, destroyed all the HINDU shrines in Jaffna. 4000 Lascarines (mercenary soldiers from Kerala) aided Portugeuse. Read Fr.Quiros accounts in his book Spritual Conquest.

    You read some TAMIL bogus materials and crying. Whether Sinhalese or Tamils we have a duty to accept some truths of the past.

    Old Royals never called them as Tamil Kings or Sinhala Kings. Kings were identified with their countries ruled.

    Sarasaalai, Meesaalai, Soorawatte, Wathara watte, Mirusivil, kokkuvil, kondavil, are few villages of Sinhala origin. If you want more I will give.

    Further you did not read Mahavansa or Tripitaka. That is why you are crying like many other Tamil fools!

    You tell MALABARIS became Sinhalese but only Jaffna people were identified as MALABARIS.

    Among Sinhalese and Tamils, we can see well the NEGRO faces and the curly hair. Few famous sinhala faces with NEGRO origins are C.T.Fernando, M.S.Fernando and Gamini Fonseka.

    C.Sundaralingam himself admitted about his NEGRO connections.

    Specially those NEGRO faces are more among Christian\ Catholic populations because they were baptised and broght to Sri Lanka from Mozambique and other places.

  370. BAHU means HAND in Sanskrit/Pali.

    It is not Buddhist or Hindu. Lord Muruga’s army chief was VEERA BAHU.

    But Pandias and Sri Lankans had connections. Look at the TAMIRA BHARANI in Tamil Nadu and the Thamba Panni of Sri Lanka. One is Sanskrit and other is Pali.

    King Ashoka’s rock edict tells TAMIRA BHARANI for Sri Lanka.

    Pandias too out-siders to Tamil Nadu.

    Tamil Origins and Tamil meanings for these TAMIL ROYAL houses never explained.

  371. 386. yapa

    The ruling families of Tamil Nadu (Pandyans) and Sri Lanka were related to each other through inter marriages, even though they were from different dynasties.

    For example let us take King PARAKRAMABHU.

    King Vijaya Bahu married a princess from Kalinga Royal Family as his second Mahesi, and from her he had a son named Vikrama Bahu and a daughter named Ratnavali. Vijaya Bahu’s sister, Mitta, was given in marriage to a Pandya Prince, who had three sons. The eldest of whom named Manabharana, became the husband of King Vijaya Bahu’s daughter Ratnavali. Their son was Parakrama Bahu I (1140-1173 AD), Grandson of Vijaya Bahu I, Prince of Royal Blood, Pandyan descent, son of Manabharana and Vijaya Bahu’s sister, Mitta whose husband was a Tamil prince.

    Parakrama Bahu is a grandson of a TAMIL (Pandyan) prince. What is the big connection between the Sinhalese and the King Parakramabahu? Tamils have more connection to Parakramabahu than the Sinhalese, why should we call him as a Sinhala King?

    The pillar of stone inscription in Tamil is at the entrance that leads to the Palace of King Parakramabahu the great. King Parakrambahu the great built a statue to honor the Tamil sage Agaththiyar (who brought the Tamil language) to commemorate his Tamil roots, but the foolish Sinhalese are calling the sage Agathiyar`s statue as Parakrmabahu`s statue. 🙂

    King Parakramabahu was the patron of numerous Hindu Temples including Jaffna Nallur Murukan Temple and Rameswaram Sivan Temple, and his Tamil inscriptions are still in Rameswaram Temple. The Tamil Saivites of Jaffna are still invoking his name in the Nallur Temple before the temple procession of Lord Murukan.

    Similarly, all other BAHUs are having Tamil Pandyan connections or rather they are all from Pandyan descend. You do not find these Pandyan/Bahu royal names anywhere other than in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka, both ruled by Tamil Pandyans.

  372. 385. yapa  

    You sound as if you have woken up from a deep coma (after many decades).

    You do not seem to know anything about Sri Lanka, or is it selective amnesia?

  373. 387. M.Sivananthan

    Having a Tamil pseudonym does not make a Sinhala-Buddhist a Tamil. Your mindset clearly indicates that you are NOT a Tamil so do not try to pretend. You do not have to think of me as white/black from my name, it is the Tamil mindset that indicates who I am.

    “CEYLON GAZZETEER” does not say that the VELLALA population was only 1% in 1830.
    Do not talk nonsense.
    “Nayaks were the kings of Vijaya Nagar which rose to power in Andhra and captured whole Tamil Nadu in 13th century.”

    The Nayaks ruled the Tamil kingdom of Madurai from 1545 till 1740, after the Pandya kings. The Nayak kings who ruled Kandy were invited from Madurai, Tamil Nadu and NOT from Andhra. They spoke Tamil and NOT Telugu. Tamil was also one of the languages used in Kandy as we see from the signatories of the Kandyan convention. Who cares whether they rose to power from Vijaya Nagar or whatever Nagar, they were rulers of the Tamil kingdom.

    “Pandias too out-siders to Tamil Nadu.”

    Not only Nagas, Pandyans, Cholas, Cheras, Pallavas, and Nayaks but even Tamils were once out-siders to Tamil Nadu. We do not know what all these people were during the pre-historic period and from where they came to South India but during the Early-historic period, all these people were Tamils because they were speaking Tamil (not any other language) and ruling the Tamils.

    “Sarasaalai, Meesaalai, Soorawatte, Wathara watte, Mirusivil, kokkuvil, kondavil, are few villages of Sinhala origin. If you want more I will give.”

    This is pure bull crap, read what the etymologists like F S. Gandhji Wandaiyar have written recently. They have done a deep analysis. All these names have Tamil meaning in the Changkam Diction, Dravidian Etymological Dictionary, etc.

    “You tell MALABARIS became Sinhalese but only Jaffna people were identified as MALABARIS.”

    The colonial rulers (Europeans) calling the Tamils as Malabars was a mistaken identity originally started by the Portuguese and continued till the British later found out that it was incorrect as per many historians.

    “Among Sinhalese and Tamils, we can see well the NEGRO faces and the curly hair. Few famous sinhala faces with NEGRO origins are C.T.Fernando, M.S.Fernando and Gamini Fonseka.”

    Again a load of bull crap. None of these people look like black Negros. Those blacks what the Portuguese brought to Sri Lanka from Africa (Mozambique) are known as Kaffirs.
    The Sri Lankan Kaffirs (cafrinhas in Portuguese, kāpiriyō in Sinhala, and kāpili in Tamil) are an ethnic group in Sri Lanka who are partially descended from 16th century Portuguese traders and the African slaves who were brought by them to work as labourers. Even though they can speak the local languages, they still remain as a separate group of people, mostly in Puttalam area.

  374. Yapa and others:
    To live in peace we dont need any language. But the current system and political machine need this language idiocy.

    Further Bhikku Mahanama was not a Sinhalase and he wrote an epic to support his nephew. He did not support other nephew Moggalana because he was the younger one.

    Hindus /Buddhists always (even today) prefer the eldest to carry family traditions and property management. Mahanamaa did not like the support of his relatives in Kanchipuram-Pallava Empire– and he went against them.

    That is common even today. LTTE and other Tamil militants got support from India through Tamil Nadu. But the current INDIA tried a federal unit under united Lanka, LTTE joined Sinhala government and went against India.

    LTTE expected to crown Pirabhakaran, an uneducated criminal be the KING of Tamils. India and SL refused the idea. So, they endedup in Mullivaaykkaal.

    Now or in the past POLITICAL LIMITATIONS decide the fate of the people.

    I believe this EELAM FIASCO was the results of the remnants of the European rule.

    Tamils and Sinhalese must realise no European power go against the will of India in the matter of Sri lanka.

  375. 391. Anthony ;

    1). Can you tell me what happened to the South Indians brought to North and East by Portuguese, Dutch and Brits to work in (mainly) Tobacco plantations?

    2).Can yo give the percentage of the decedents of them (1 above) in North and East (especially Jaffna) today?

    3). Can you give me the percentage of the people (Tamils?) descending from the Aryachkravarhi period and living in N &E?

    4). Can you give me the percentage of people (Tamils) descending from the pre – historic era if available, as you claim and still living in N & E?

    Please answer citing evidence.

    Thanks!

  376. 389. Girikanda Siva;

    Please see whether, you have answered my question or not.

    Once again here is my question raised on your claim.
    Please answer directly, without going round the bush.
    ……………
    383. Girikanda Siva;
    “All the Pandyan royal names what I have mentioned are being changed to Bahu. All the Buddhist BAHU kings are PURE TAMILS (PANDYANS). Just because they are Buddhists, the Sinhalese want to claim that they are Sinhala.”
    What proofs do you have?
    Thanks!
    …………………………….

    The other thing came up in the post had been explained, and if you have not seen them, tell me I will explain to you again. Nothing of them is an evidence for Tamils in Sri Lanka, but Sinhalese.

    Thanks!

  377. 393. yapa

    The answers to all your questions are already there in JLD’s articles. Why are you asking again? You did not understand them or what?

  378. 394. yapa

    I have given you enough of proof about the relationship between Pandyans and the Sri Lankan Kings.

    Where else in the entire world do you find these Pandyan royal names VIKRAMA , PARAKRAMA , VIRA , JAYA , VIRA PARAKARAMA , etc other than in Sri Lanka where the Pandyans also have ruled?

    Can you tell me what connection/relationship these kings have with the Sinhalese other than ruling Sri Lanka.

    Do you have any single evidence to prove that they were Sinhalese?

    Show me where on earth it is mentioned that VIJAYA BAHU, VIKRAMA BAHU, PARAKRAMA BAHU, VIRA BAHU, , JAYA BAHU, VIRA PARAKRAMA BAHU, etc were Sinhalese.

    The Pali chronicles NEVER calls them Sinhalese, none of these kings called them Sinhalese, not a single stone inscription called them Sinhalese, there is NO evidence what so ever to call them Sinhalese.

    Where as, if you look at their relationship as I have shown in my above comment, they are all relatives of Pandyans.

    Just because a person in Sri Lanka is a Buddhist (do not look as per today’s context) he/she cannot automatically become a Sinhalese.

    All the BAHUs in Sri Lanka were Buddhists no doubt but they were NOT Sinhalese.

  379. 392. M.Sivananthan

    “Further Bhikku Mahanama was not a Sinhalase and he wrote an epic to support his nephew.”

    I think there is no depute between us in this regard. Mahanama Thero could be Pallava in race, really I didn’t go that much further to explore it. However, my point is, it does not deny the fact that he is a Sinhalese.

    Sinhalese do not belong to any particular race, but are a mixture of several races, “an ethnic group”. It consists of Nagas, Yaksas, Aryans, various Dravidian groups, Arabs, Europeans and some African people as you pointed out.

    Do you say C.T. Fernando or M.S.Fernando are not SInhalese? Same way Mahanma Thero is a Sinhalese in ethnicity and may be a Pallavan in race.

    Thanks!

  380. 395. Anthony;

    “The answers to all your questions are already there in JLD’s articles. Why are you asking again? You did not understand them or what?”

    I did not understand them. Please explain me in detail the answers to the questions posed at 393.

    (I have some more questions, I did not understand the answers given by Dvananda before they were posted. I will ask them from you after you answer the above questions. Please explain them too to me.)

    Thanks!

  381. 396. Girikanda Siva ;

    Please don’t stick onto a disproved argument to prove something.

    Just because, somebody’s name was not mentioned in Pali chronicles or or stone inscription as Sinhalese that is not a proof to say he is not a Sinhalese. It is common sense, no one need to be a genius to understand it. In that case I cannot be a Sinhalese, because my name is not mentioned in any of them. In that argument the millions of Sinhalese lived in this country become non entities, as their names had to be mentioned so to become Sinhalese and it has not happened so. On the same argument do you accept that the Tamil kings whose names were not mentioned in Chronicles or on stones are not Tamils? What a foolish argument?Only a dud can raise or accept such arguments.

    However, still you have not explained how the word “PANDYAN” became “BAHU”. You can use LINGUISTICS to make your point, I would like to suggest to you. Please explain it to me without just repeating and emphasizing the same set of invalid arguments.

    Further, I would suggest you to have an awareness as to what the differences between RACE and ETHNICITY. I have explained them to a certain extent in the forum.

    Looking forward for a specific answer from you.

    Thanks!

  382. yapa:
    Language is not an issue in determining the RACE.

    Any Language can be mastered in few years.

    Are you telling the American negros are ENGLISH and they are more with ENGLAND than Africa because they speak ENGLISH only?

  383. Girikanda

    //King Parakramabahu was the patron of numerous Hindu Temples including Jaffna Nallur Murukan Temple and Rameswaram Sivan Temple, and his Tamil inscriptions are still in Rameswaram Temple. The Tamil Saivites of Jaffna are still invoking his name in the Nallur Temple before the temple procession of Lord Murukan. //

    Why are you fooling people here?
    In Nallur, the name of the builder of the temple was Sangabodhi Sri Bhuvaneka Bahu is invoked everyday. That king was later ruler of Kotte. But he came to Sri Lanka from Kerala as an elepahant trainer and have nothing to do with any Pandias.

    Your BAHU story is baseless and have nothing to substantiate.

    Lord muruga’s army chief was a VEERA BAHU. Are you going to say Muruga was a PANDIA?

    Sri lankan kings and kings of South India had marriages and their offsprings were the rulers.

  384. Anthony:
    You did not even see the CEYLON GAZZETEER but telling lies to suit your foolish theories.

    Can you tell why TAMIL Classical songs are still in TELUGU?

    You are a fool and never know there is a region in Kerala known as MALABAR. Portugeuse brought the people from there as mercenaries and later as Chilli & Tobacco farmers.

    At least you have to know Portugeuse brought Chilli and Tobacco farming to Sri Lanka.

    In Jaffna all arable lands were under the portugeuse and they settled the Malabaris in those lands.

    Try to read the Portugeuse administration in Jaffna.

    Negro Slaves in Jaffna are well mixed with the Tamils. the same way the Negro slaves in Colombo and suburbs toomixed with Sinhalese.

    You have to know Colombo was populated and founded by Portugeuse. The Sri Lankan coastal areas including Jaffna were under Portugeuse for more than 140 years.

    F S. Gandhji Wandaiyar who is an unknown. Does he know Sinhala well?

  385. M.Sivananthan

    Irrespective of your Tamil pseudonym, how can a Sinhala-Buddhist like you have not read even your Mahavamsa properly?
    Even though the following is not addressed to me, let me answer it.

    “In Nallur, the name of the builder of the temple was Sangabodhi Sri Bhuvaneka Bahu is invoked everyday. That king was later ruler of Kotte. But he came to Sri Lanka from Kerala as an elepahant trainer and have nothing to do with any Pandias.”

    What a load of rubbish.
    The builder of Nallur temple was Bhuvanekabahu VI (or Chempaha Perumal or Sapumal Kumaraya), the adopted son of King Parakramabahu.
    But the patron of Nallur Temple is King Parakrama Bahu the father of Bhuvaneka Bahu. Do not mix up with the Builder and the Patron.
    It is Bhuvaneka Bahu’s father King Parakrama Bahu is the Pandyan. This guy Girikada Siva has already given the Pandyan relationship/connection King Parakrama Bahu had through marriages. Your Kerala story is all bull crap.

    “You did not even see the CEYLON GAZZETEER but telling lies to suit your foolish theories.”

    You are a Blatant Liar, I went through the CEYLON GAZZETEER but could not find anything what you have commented. If you Google, you will find even on the net, tell me where it is mentioned?

    Can you tell why TAMIL Classical songs are still in TELUGU?

    What nonsense, TAMIL Classical songs may be still in Malayalam because Malayalam is believed to be ‘Old Tamil’ but NOT in Telugu.

    You are a fool and never know there is a region in Kerala known as MALABAR.
    Do not judge others by your own standards. The Portugeuse first landed in Malabar in Kerala.

    “Portugeuse brought the people from there as mercenaries and later as Chilli & Tobacco farmers. At least you have to know Portugeuse brought Chilli and Tobacco farming to Sri Lanka.”

    Again a load of rubbish.
    The Portuguese brought people from Coramandal Coast (presently Tamil Nadu) and Malabar Coast (presently Kerala) and settled from Mannar to Matara for Fishing/pearl diving, Coconut plantation, and MAINLY for Cinnamon plantation. They came to Sri Lanka especially because of Cinnamon.
    The Portuguese did not know anything about Tobacco farming. It was the Dutch who were supporting the Tobacco farming.

    “In Jaffna all arable lands were under the portugeuse and they settled the Malabaris in those lands. Try to read the Portugeuse administration in Jaffna.”

    Again a load of bull crap. Portuguese NEVER settled any Malabaris in Jaffna.

    Negro Slaves in Jaffna are well mixed with the Tamils. the same way the Negro slaves in Colombo and suburbs toomixed with Sinhalese.
    Nonsense, where is the proof? I have given you details about them.

    F S. Gandhji Wandaiyar who is an unknown. Does he know Sinhala well?
    He is an expert in Sinhala/pali/sanskrit/Tamil.

  386. M.Sivananthan

    In the year 1498, Vasco De Gama’s landing in Malabar (Kerela) marked the beginning of the era of foreign Intervention in the region. The Dutch preceded the Portuguese, and then the British East INDIA Company had been on the Malabar Coast since 1684. It was from Malabar that the Portuguese came to Sri Lanka. They found two different ethnic groups living in Sri Lanka in two different land areas, the one living closer to the Malabar Coast had a similar language, religion and culture to the Malabars. Without any hesitation, they called them Malabars even though there was a Tamil Kingdom and the people spoke Tamil when they arrived. The Dutch who preceded them continued to call them Malabars and the British also called them Malabars but later when they realized that it was a mistaken identity, that they were not Malabars but Tamils, they corrected it. Similarly, due to Buddhism and the Buddhist culture, they also called the Sinhalese as the descendants of the Siamese people.

  387. 398. yapa

    My answers to all your questions are exactly the same as what is given in JLD’s articles. If you cannot understand them, then you cannot understand mine either. Do not worry, there are many people like you who do not have the capacity to understand things.

  388. anthony:
    you prove yourself fool again and again.

    You bark that rulers of Tamil are also Tamils. If you tell Nayaks are Tamils all will have a comedy to laugh for days.

    Further you know nothing about KARNATIC MUSIC. You better ask some some Karnatic singer and dont ask any LTTE goon.

    Chenpakap Perumal was the builder of the nallur temple and he was adopted by the King of Kotte. Chenpakpperumal got his name Bhvanekabahu after became king of Kotte. You have no idea of any Bhuvaneka Bahus of Kotte. Better learn and publish them here.

    Ceylon Gazzeteer is not BIBLE but a periodical and published many times with different information. You better find other issues and read how many people lived in Jaffna in 1830.

    Now Antony is a Tamil and Sivananthan is not a Tamil. This kind of joke can be made by Tamil Eelam fools only.

    Still you have no idea how tobacco farming started in Jaffna. Then you will know how many Malabaris were brought in to Jaffna.

    Now you cry that Portugeuse did not bring any one from kerala to settle in Jaffna.

    If you are a Catholic from Jaffna, better look your face in a mirror.

  389. 405. Anthony

    “My answers to all your questions are exactly the same as what is given in JLD’s articles”

    Please show me where Devananda has given answers to my questions. Just copy and paste them here if available, that is not a mighty work. Just copy , past and show I am wrong. Otherwise anybody other than you will understand who is telling obvious lies.

    Please back your claims, I give you another chance, my dear Anthony.

    Thanks!

  390. Yapa,

    It is an accepted fact by the historians that a very large number of South Indians (Tamils-Tamil Nadu, Malabars-Kerela, Telugus-Andra and Kalingas from Orissa) came to the Island of Sri Lanka throughout the ages as Invaders, Peaceful immigrants, Warriors, and Invitees in the form of Kings for the Sinhala throne, Queens, marriage partners, maids, craftsmen, solders, coolies, workers, etc who later settled in the Island and most of their descendants became Sinhala Buddhists during the course of time. Similarly, many Sinhalese who lived in the North and East became Tamils (Tamilized).

    The Sinhalese wrongly believe that they Sinhalese are the only natives of Sri Lanka where as all the Tamils are the natives of Tamil Nadu and therefore, those Tamils who settled in the South and adopted Sinhala as their mother tongue and embraced Buddhism as their religion become ‘NATIVES of Sri Lanka’ by default where as a few Sinhala Buddhists living in the NorthEast who later became Tamils have lost their native status, and now they become ‘NATIVES of Tamil Nadu’.

  391. Yapa,

    “Please show me where Devananda has given answers to my questions. Just copy and paste them here if available, that is not a mighty work. Just copy, past and show I am wrong. Otherwise anybody other than you will understand who is telling obvious lies.”

    Are you asking me to read the articles again and find/show you exactly where it is?
    Why cannot you do that by yourself?
    I have fully read the articles by JLD and I know very well that all your quires are already answered by him but I have to read the whole thing again to pin point where they are. Why should I do it for you when you yourself can do it?

    Do not think others are as stupid as you.

  392. 408. Bala;

    Anthony has no answers to my questions, got angry and struggling. Don’t get angry, my dear, take it easy! At school even I didn’t have answers to all the questions.

    However, I agree with a part of your post. If you can answer my questions at 303., rest also will become clear.

    If anybody answers them, I think we can come to a reasonable conclusion on the whole issue.

    Please anybody, answer my questions at 303, I will be grateful to you.

    Thanks!

  393. To all the Tamil folks,

    The Sinhalese do not belong to any particular race/tribe, but are a mixture of several tribes/races evolved into one ethnic group. It consists of Nagas, Yaksas, North Indian Aryans, various South Indian Dravidian groups (Tamils, Malabars, Andara), Veddhas, Arabs, Europeans, Malays, Africans and so on.

    The Sinhala nation is progressing well in the right direction as a united ethnic group. We have given up all those primitive behavior long ago. Today, in the 21st century, we are one group of people, “the Sinhalese” and NOT up-country, low-country, govigama, karawa, and so on. Today the down south (low-country Sinhalese) people have settled in up-country and mixed with kandyan people. Sinhalese are free to settle and mix with any other Sinhalese irrespective of caste, religion, region, etc.

    Take a look at the Tamils, first of all, they are divided region wise like the primitive tribes and not only that, each tribe hates each other. For example, the Colombo Tamils, Jaffna Tamils, Batticaloa Tamils, Vanni Tamils, Up-country Tamils (5 different tribes from different regions, each one hates the other). Now, within each tribe, they are further divided into castes, Vellala and others, each one hate the other. The Muslims, Burghers, Malays, and others are also tribes/races like the 5 Tamil tribes in Sri Lanka.

    The combination of Sinhala Ethnic group and all other tribes/races mentioned above together forms the Sri Lankan Nation.
    Yapa is trying to tell you people to differentiate between a race/tribe, an ethnic group and a Nation but none of you people are trying to understand.

    Yapa,

    I think you should elaborate clearly with definitions what is a race/tribe, an ethnic group, and a nation and how they differ from each other with examples so that these people can understand what you are try to express.

  394. Thank you, 412. Somapala, for making my ideas clearer. I will try to elaborate on the subject soon. Really, according to my understanding not that they don’t understand these things, but they have been brainwashed by the greedy educated Tamils for a long time that their brains are not accustomed to accept the truths.

    Anyway, before that I would like to give a few more points that Devananda’s theory cannot stand.

    1. Sri Lanka has been inhabited even before 35,000 years, according to the proven facts of archeology. (Balangoda Man)

    2. Tamils migrated to Southern India around 3000 BC from Africa, according to the accepted theory. Therefore the early inhabitants lived 35,000 years before were not Tamils.

    3. It is very reasonable to assume that the early inhabitants Balangoda man’s descendants lived during the period of 3000 BC and continued to live thereafter too. It is believed so and reasonable to believe that Yakkas and Nagas were descendants of them and “Vedda Community” is their present link.

    4. Even before 3000 BC, Sri Lanka was separated from Indian sub continent, according to historical records. During that pre-historic era, it is irrational to think that there was a considerable flux of people from the subcontinent across the sea. Further, Veddas are not similar to Tamils in their physical characteristics or linguistic characteristics, and hence it is reasonable to deduce that Yakkas and Nagas were not Tamils,but the descendants of the inhabitants of the Balangoda man’s era. Further, there is no historical records regarding human influx before Vijaya’s arrival, hence Tamil connection to Yakkas and Nagas has no credibility.

    5. According to the recent excavations in Anuradhapura, it was established that Sri lanka had a city civilisation, around 1000 BC. Mahawansa also corroborates this saying that Vijaya heard a big noise of a wedding ceremony of Yakka tribe when he arrived here.

    6. Therefore it is reasonable to deduce that the community continued after Vijaya’s arrival were mostly native Yakkas, Nagas and Aryans arrived from India. They got mixed up and became a single nation Sinhalese, after the community accepted Buddhism as their common religion during the period of king Devanampiyatissa. A few among the community that did not accept Buddhism lived separately away from the main community and they were continued to become Vedda community. There was no any South Indian Invasion until this period (Devanampiyatissa period) and hence there was no Tamil influence in thae community live during his time, except the few Tamils wives brought by a few kings. Hence the Community lived here until this period in Sri Lanka was Sinhalese and Vedda community only.

    6. “Demala” (Tamil) influence first felt during the King Suratissa’s period by Sena and Guttika, for twenty years and after king Senaka by Elara. However, all those kings were defeated by Sinhalese and chased back. Therefore there was no considerable Tamil community left in Sri Lanka until 13th century. Further it should be noted that no any Tamil invader had invaded North or East of the country until 13th century, when Aryachakravarthi, captured Jaffna Penissula in the latter part of the 13th century. Therefore it is reasonable to deduce that there was no considerable Tamil community lived in North or East of Sri Lanka, until the 13th century. Professor Karthigesu Indrapala confirmed this in his PhD thesis. Further, lack of ancient Tamil/Hindu archeological monuments and the ample presence of ancient Buddhist monuments further reiterates this.

    7. From the facts mentioned above and the many independent historical records, it is proven that the Sinhalese developed a very advanced civilization based on non – violent Buddhist principles based on a magnificent irrigation system and the agriculture. Sinhalese did not slaughtered animals (after king Devanampiyatissa) to “develop their economy”, but relied on non-violent agriculture. “Weva – Dagaba” (Tank – Shrine) became their symbol of lives/civilization. So, none can claim that any other community as the civilization builders of the nation, none had that Buddhist back ground which is the guiding light of the civilization, amply evident by thousands of Buddhist monuments spread throughout the country.

    8. So the settling down of a Tamil community started after 13th century with the invasion of Aryachakravarthi, and there was no more than a few settlements of Tamils in North even according to Prof. K. Indrapala.

    9. Portuguese, Dutch and British colonial brought many Tamils from South India to work in Tobacco plantations in North and East and Tea plantations in up country.The majority of the Tamils living today in Up country,North and East are descendants of the people who came from India. It is also true that some of the Sinhalese who had lived in North and East Tamilized and became Tamils.

    10. Further, recent Genetic Studies show that Tamils and Sinhalese are different in their biology. This again is an evident that Yakkas and Nagas were not Tamils. If they were Tamils, Sinhala genetics should be similar to Tamils, because the main composite groups of Sinhalese are Yakkas and Nagas.

    Thanks!

  395. when my points at 413. are unchallenged, can any body (Tamils) claim that ” Sri Lanka had two parallel civilizations with common ancestry” prevailed in Sri Lanka, keep aside the claim that they were the native inhabitants of the country, lived as Yakkas and Nagas?

    They are just lies and propaganda fabricated to support to create that evil Tamil Homeland, Eelam.

    Anybody has any counter arguments?

    Thanks!

  396. Tamil Language

    The Tamil language is spoken mainly in Tamilnadu, scatteredly in most of other states like Karnataka, Kerala, and Andhra, and also in the other cities of Bombay Calcutta, Ahmedabad and Delhi. It is one of the two languages of Sri Lanka and one of the three languages of Singapore and Malaysia. Tamil is an international language in the sense that it is the mother tongue of a number of groups in many independent States all over the world -Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore, Fiji, South Africa, East Africa, Europe, Australia, Canada and America.

    Amongst the Dravidian languages, Tamil developed an excellent literature from earlier to the Christian era and its writing system, unlike the systems of other Dravidian languages, still preserves the unique Dravidian features whilst the alphabet system of others is completely modeled on the Sanskrit.

    Among the Dravidian languages Tamil has preserved its earlier literature. The cave inscriptions of the extreme South, going back to the second century B.C. are in Tamil language. It is known that there were three Tamil literary academies one after the other. The earliest literature available is attributed to the third academy (or Sangam), probably beginning before the Christian era and continuing up to the end of the third century A.D.

    The earliest Tamil grammar now extant is Tolkappiyam. The Sangam poetry consists of eight anthologies of short verses and another anthology of ten long verses, the shortest of which contains more than a hundred lines. Sangam poetry is divided into two categories – aham and puRam. Aham treats of love whereas puRam treats of war.

    The influence of Buddhism and Jainism made the ethical Tamil literature prominent in the country after the Sangam age. ThirukkuraL, the Tamil Bible and the world famous ethical literature, provides the universal principles of better life, so as to be acceptable, as far as possible, to all. Dharma, artha and kaama are the three-fold divisions of this work. The work consists of 1330 couplets called kuRaL each being an epigram, simple, forcible and at the same time captivating. Everywhere the ideal is described but always in terms of the practical life, common sense and humanism.

    In ancient times it was Tamil literature which the Keralites accepted as their own. The great Tamil epic Cilappatikaaram is considered to have been written in Kerala. Ceeramaan perumaaL, the Saivite Tamil poet of Naayanmaar was a Kerala King; so was the Tamil poet of Vaishnavite Aalvaar, Kulaseekara PerumaaL. VeeNaaTTaTikaL was a Saivite poet of Kerala. It was only later than the tenth century that Malayalam literature was born with the writing of Raamacarita, though some would claim that it is also in Tamil. But later literature especially the one developed by the Nambudiris in the ManipravaaLa style was in Malayalam or Kerala Tamil.

    Even as late as the Nineteenth century many of the records of the Travancore Kingdom were kept in Tamil. The story of the ThiruviLayaaTal puraaNam describing the merciful leelaa or miraculous plays of Siva of Madurai especially Valai viiciya TiruvilaiyaaTal, the story of God coming to fish with a fishing net was so very popular that a Malayalam translation from Tamil was made and it is now available.

    It is proud to state that such a very old and familiar language (ancient most Dravidian Language) has got the status of classic language by the Hindi dominated Indian Government.

  397. Yapa,

    From the very ancient time, Lanka (as first mentioned in the Ramayana) was a part of South India. The ancient Tamil was born on the sacred earth a part of which is now called Sri Lanka. What is Sri Lanka now is part of the lost landmass of Kumari kandam (Lemuria) that went under a massive quake of the sea in times long past. The first Sangam was held in this land. It is believed that God Siva attended the first Sangam. The Island of Sri Lanka was not a Buddhist island but a Siva Bhoomi – the Land of Siva right from the beginning. All the ancient rulers of Sri Lanka were Saivaites irrespective of whether they were Naga or Damila (Chola) or Pandu (Pandya). It was only recently the Sinhalese started calling Sri Lanka as the Dhamma Deepa of Buddha after the Buddhist missionary monk Mahinda introduced Buddhism where as we Tamils still call it the sacred land of Siva. Even the footstep at Adams Peak is originally known as Siva’s and NOT Buddha’s.

    The first invaders/colonizers to ravage our land were the Sinhalese, when Vijaya and his merry band drove the many tribes (mainly Tamils) that inhabited Sri Lanka after massacring them and then grabbed their best lands. The original natives (mainly Tamils) were denigrated and portrayed as inhuman in the Buddhist chronicles. There is absolutely no injustice that the Chola/Pandyan invaders did to the Sinhalese that the Sinhalese invaders/colonials did not do to the native tribes (mainly Tamils) of Lanka.

  398. 413. yapa

    Nobody is interested in countering your moronic arguments and since you are lazy to read JLD’s articles which have all the answers to your 10 stupid jokes, and since I have a little bit of spare time let me reply to your jokes, but do not expect me to continue because I prefer to ignore stupid jokers. As much as possible I will be quoting from JLD’s articles.

    *****According to my understanding not that they don’t understand these things, but they have been brainwashed by the greedy educated Tamils for a long time that their brains are not accustomed to accept the truths.*****

    It is exactly the other way about. The Sinhalese have been brainwashed for a long time that their brains are not accustomed to accept the truths. JLD says, from a very young age, the innocent Sinhala Buddhist children are brainwashed by their parents/grandparents, teachers, Buddhist priests (some members of the Maha Sangha), media personnel, text book writers, and some of the Daham Paasela (Sunday school) teachers in the Buddhist temples by engraving the Sinhala-Buddhist Mahavansa mindset and Sinhala Buddhist racism into their sub-conscious minds. They are taught to believe that the non-Sinhala Buddhists (Tamils) are invaders who do not belong to Sri Lanka. All the Tamils should be chased away to Tamil Nadu (where they belong) just the way their ancient Kings like Dutugemunu did. The country (Sri Lanka), Sinhala race and Buddhism should be protected from the Tamils.

    *****1. Sri Lanka has been inhabited even before 35,000 years, according to the proven facts of archeology. (Balangoda Man)*****

    Just by finding one or two skeletons of a man that is 35,000 years old ( named Balangoda Man), nobody, not even the archaeological researcher Dr. Deraniyagala who discovered the Balangoda man ever said that Sri Lanka has been inhabited even before 35,000 years. During pre-historic period, a large chunk of land broke away from Africa and joined Asia (named India) and due to a massive earth quake, a part of South India broke away (named Lanka). (Refer BBC and National Geographic documentaries on pre-historic geography and refer Dr. Deraniyagala’s research where he found the flora/fauna of Sri Lanka and South India are very identical). Even recently, the NASA satellite images clearly showed an ancient man made bridge between Sri Lanka and South India proving how the ancient people movement took place between Sri Lanka and South India. The archaeologists are still unable to tell/prove if the Balangoda man was a traveller from far away land or an inhabitant of Sri Lanka. Even if we assume that there was a civilization 35000 years ago, it is a lost civilization and has nothing what so ever to do with the present day Sri Lankans.

    *****2. Tamils migrated to Southern India around 3000 BC from Africa, according to the accepted theory. Therefore the early inhabitants lived 35,000 years before were not Tamils.*****

    Who told you this? Was it a part of your dream or did you invent it from thin air? What is this accepted theory? Whose theory and who accepted it? Who did research to find this theory? What is the credibility of the researcher? Is it published as a research paper? Could you give a link or a reference to this publication?

    *****3. It is very reasonable to assume that the early inhabitants Balangoda man’s descendants lived during the period of 3000 BC and continued to live thereafter too. It is believed so and reasonable to believe that Yakkas and Nagas were descendants of them and “Vedda Community” is their present link.*****

    How can you assume something that even the archaeologists/historians who discovered it are not able to assume yet? The Nagas have a separate history not only in Sri Lanka but also in India and many other places. The Yakkas (Vedda community) are the original inhabitants of Lanka but still it is not established that the Balangoda man has any link with the Vedda, neither genetically nor in any other way.

    *****4. Even before 3000 BC, Sri Lanka was separated from Indian sub continent, according to historical records. During that pre-historic era, it is irrational to think that there was a considerable flux of people from the subcontinent across the sea. Further, Veddas are not similar to Tamils in their physical characteristics or linguistic characteristics, and hence it is reasonable to deduce that Yakkas and Nagas were not Tamils, but the descendants of the inhabitants of the Balangoda man’s era. Further, there is no historical records regarding human influx before Vijaya’s arrival, hence Tamil connection to Yakkas and Nagas has no credibility.*****

    With a shallow sea and an ancient man made bridge (see NASA satellite pictures) and just 30 KM distance, it is insane if someone says there were no people movement from South India to Sri Lanka. The Nagas have nothing to do with the Veddas, they have a separate history. While there was a Naga kingdom in Jaffna, the Nagas were also living in Nagapattinam and Nagakovil in Tamil Nadu. The Naga poets from Lanka have also contributed to the Sangam literature. JLD’s article gives more details of them with names and references. When it comes to Veddas, there are Veddas in Mahiangana/Dambana and there are Veddas in Eastern province. Those living in Mahiangana/Dambana among the Sinhalese are mixed with the Sinhalese and their language is very close to Sinhala where as those living in the Eastern province among the Tamils are mixed with the Tamils and their language is close to Tamil.
    Obviously, the written historical records in Lanka does not go beyond mythical Vijay and therefore we do not know anything about the people who lived before that, or about their movements but that does not mean that there is no connection.

    *****5. According to the recent excavations in Anuradhapura, it was established that Sri lanka had a city civilisation, around 1000 BC. Mahawansa also corroborates this saying that Vijaya heard a big noise of a wedding ceremony of Yakka tribe when he arrived here.*****

    True, there was a well established civilization before Vijaya arrived, very similar to South India. According to archaeological researchers, what they found in Anuradapura is very similar to what is found in South India.
    According to the archeological researcher/historian Prof. Sudharshan Seneviratne, “there is no mention of the word Sihala or Sinhala ethnicity in the thousand odd short inscriptions that come to us from this period, but on the contrary, a vast majority of the host of clan names and titles that we come across in these inscriptions only show affinities with the clans of the ancient Tamil country”.
    Also, the archaeological researcher Dr. Deraniyagala’s recent findings in Anuradapura supports the above.
    The people who lived before Vijaya were Yakkas, Nagas and Damilas. The Nagas and Damilas were the rulers while the Yakkas were in the jungle (Veddas).

    *****6. Therefore it is reasonable to deduce that the community continued after Vijaya’s arrival were mostly native Yakkas, Nagas and Aryans arrived from India. They got mixed up and became a single nation Sinhalese, after the community accepted Buddhism as their common religion during the period of king Devanampiyatissa. A few among the community that did not accept Buddhism lived separately away from the main community and they were continued to become Vedda community. There was no any South Indian Invasion until this period (Devanampiyatissa period) and hence there was no Tamil influence in thae community live during his time, except the few Tamils wives brought by a few kings. Hence the Community lived here until this period in Sri Lanka was Sinhalese and Vedda community only.*****

    The community before the Aryans came were Yakkas, Nagas and Damilas. The epigraphy proves the presence of Damilas. There is NO evidence what so ever to prove that the Aryans mixed with the local tribes but there is plenty of evidence to prove that the Damilas and Nagas mixed through inter marriages. Even the Mahavamsa gives enough evidence of Nagas and Damilas mixing. The Aryans never mixed. Anagarika Dharamapala said, the Sinhalese are pure Aryans who never mixed with anybody. Devanampiyatissa himself was a product of Naga-Damila mix, Muta Siva’s son.

    *****6. “Demala” (Tamil) influence first felt during the King Suratissa’s period by Sena and Guttika, for twenty years and after king Senaka by Elara. However, all those kings were defeated by Sinhalese and chased back. Therefore there was no considerable Tamil community left in Sri Lanka until 13th century. Further it should be noted that no any Tamil invader had invaded North or East of the country until 13th century, when Aryachakravarthi, captured Jaffna Penissula in the latter part of the 13th century. Therefore it is reasonable to deduce that there was no considerable Tamil community lived in North or East of Sri Lanka, until the 13th century. Professor Karthigesu Indrapala confirmed this in his PhD thesis. Further, lack of ancient Tamil/Hindu archeological monuments and the ample presence of ancient Buddhist monuments further reiterates this.*****

    You are mixing up with the Damilas (Tamils) who lived in Lanka among the Nagas and yakkas and the Chola/Pandya kings who came as invaders. The ancient epigraphy proves that Damilas were living in Lanka but the Tamil kings who came as invaders to rule Lanka was only during King Suratissa’s period.
    Regarding Professor Karthigesu Indrapala’s PhD thesis please read JLD’s first article above paragraph 1.10 and you will understand what rubbish you are talking.

    *****7. From the facts mentioned above and the many independent historical records, it is proven that the Sinhalese developed a very advanced civilization based on non – violent Buddhist principles based on a magnificent irrigation system and the agriculture. Sinhalese did not slaughtered animals (after king Devanampiyatissa) to “develop their economy”, but relied on non-violent agriculture. “Weva – Dagaba” (Tank – Shrine) became their symbol of lives/civilization. So, none can claim that any other community as the civilization builders of the nation, none had that Buddhist back ground which is the guiding light of the civilization, amply evident by thousands of Buddhist monuments spread throughout the country.*****

    If you read JLD’s article, he has very clearly stated with enough reference about the ancient civilization and from where it all came, and who built them. Everything came from South India and has nothing to do with any Sinhalese.

    *****8. So the settling down of a Tamil community started after 13th century with the invasion of Aryachakravarthi, and there was no more than a few settlements of Tamils in North even according to Prof. K. Indrapala.*****

    This bogus theory is very beautifully DISPROVED by JLD in his two articles. I cannot cut and paste huge paragraphs here, you have to read it.

    9. Portuguese, Dutch and British colonial brought many Tamils from South India to work in Tobacco plantations in North and East and Tea plantations in up country.The majority of the Tamils living today in Up country,North and East are descendants of the people who came from India. It is also true that some of the Sinhalese who had lived in North and East Tamilized and became Tamils.

    Actually it is the other way about. The majority of the people that the Portuguese, Dutch and British brought from South India were settled in the South among the Sinhalese for Cinnamon plantation, coconut plantation and for fishing. The Sinhala castes Karawa, Durawa and Salagama are all Tamils and Malayalees from South India. Today they have all become Sinhala Buddhists/Catholics. Only the Tamils in upcountry were brought by the British and they still remain as Tamils, all others became Sinhalese.
    Please refer to JLD’s article on how the Sinhalese became a majority, second article chapter 5 and you will get to know from where your great grandfather came from. As an alternative, if your grandfather is still living, you can also ask him to revel the truth, ask him from which part of South India his grandfather came from (Tamil Nadu or Kerela).

    *****10. Further, recent Genetic Studies show that Tamils and Sinhalese are different in their biology. This again is an evident that Yakkas and Nagas were not Tamils. If they were Tamils, Sinhala genetics should be similar to Tamils, because the main composite groups of Sinhalese are Yakkas and Nagas.*****

    There were many genetic studies done so far and recent or not recent, the most popular among them was the one done by a North Indian genealogist by the name Gautham from an American University. According to him, 70% of Sinhala genes are Indian Tamil, you can easily accept it when you ask your grandfather from where his grandfather came.
    Once again, Yakkas and Nagas have nothing to do with the Sinhalese. The Yakkas are Veddas, the Nagas are Tamils and the Aryans are Sinhalese. There is NO evidence what so ever to prove that the Yakkas and Nagas became Sinhalese or they mixed with the Aryans.

    The problem with the Sinhalese is that, anything Buddhist in Sri Lanka is considered Sinhala, any ancient civilization in Lanka is attributed to Sinhala, anything written in Pali is considered Sinhala, anything proto-historic (eg. Yakkas & Nagas) is considered Sinhala, anything pre-historic (eg. Ravana) is considered Sinhala, and even the lost civilization (eg. Balangoda man) is considered Sinhala.
    The Sinhalese have been brainwashed for a long time that their brains are not accustomed to accept the truths.

  399. Thanks, Mr. Anthony Smart for eventually breaking your ice and responding to my comments at 413 & 414. However, those posts of mine were results of your not responding to my post at 393. Therefore I hope you will respond my post of 313, as well so that I can answer all of your queries together.

  400. 393. yapa

    Refer JLD’s article Chapter 5 (How Sinhalese becoming Majority and the Tamil ‘Vellalar Migration’ theory)

    *****1). Can you tell me what happened to the South Indians brought to North and East by Portuguese, Dutch and Brits to work in (mainly) Tobacco plantations?*****

    The Portuguese brought a huge number (tens of thousands) of people from South India and settled in the Southern part of Sri Lanka from Puttalam to Matara for Cinnamon plantation/peeling, for coffee plantation, for coconut plantation and toddy tapping, for fishing and pearl diving, etc. Within a few centuries they all assimilated with the Sinhalese and got sinhalised, as Sinhala Buddhists/Catholics. The three low-country Sinhala castes (Karawa, Durawa, Salagama) are all who came to Sri Lanka from South India after the arrival of Portuguese. (Refer JLD’s article on how the Sinhalese became a majority in Sri Lanka, also refer http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2011/1/63562_space.html)

    On the other hand, during Portuguese period there was no Tobacco plantations in the North. Tobacco plantations started only after the Dutch. The Dutch also brought and settled ten thousand slaves from South India to South Sri Lanka from Colombo to Galle for cinnamon plantation and they all got converted to Sinhalese. (Refer JLD’s article on how the Sinhalese became a majority). The Dutch also settled some of those slaves in Jaffna to help the Vellalar farmers/land owners to grow Tobacco. Those slaves belong to a particular caste called Pallar. The British only brought people from South India and settled in up-country for Tea plantation/plucking.

    *****2).Can yo give the percentage of the decedents of them (1 above) in North and East (especially Jaffna) today?*****

    If you take the Pallar caste in Jaffna (around 12%) of the Jaffna population where as more than 70% of the Sinhalese are actually the decedents of the South Indians (Tamil Nadu and Kerala) brought to Sri Lanka after 1505.

    *****3). Can you give me the percentage of the people (Tamils?) descending from the Aryachkravarhi period and living in N &E?*****

    Most of the Vellalar in Jaffna are descending from Aryachkravarhi period. The Vellalars were one of the highest castes during Cholas/Pandyans/Cheras period in South India and Sri Lanka. The Brahmin caste in India is from the North and were imported from North to the South for the temples but the highest domination caste in Tamil Nadu are the Vellalars. In the 13th Century there were only 8% but it increased to 50% in the 17th Century.

    *****4). Can you give me the percentage of people (Tamils) descending from the pre – historic era if available, as you claim and still living in N & E?*****

    From before the arrival of Vijaya to the Chola invation in the 10th century AD, the people known as Damilas lived in Lanka in all parts of Lanka, mainly Anuradapura (early stone inscriptions, Pali chronicles, etc corroborates it). After 12th century AD they shifted /settled permanently in the North and East with their own kingdom while the others (Sinhalese) shifted/settled in the South with their kingdom.
    The same percentage as the Sinhalese, only difference today is that due to a vast number of South Indian settlement in the South of Sri Lanka after 1505, the Sinhalese population became huge (just imagine 70% migrants becoming Sinhalese) and today their 8th or 9th generation do not even know their actual origin.

    I will not waste any more time with an ignorant.

  401. 416. Ping Pong;

    What evidence do you have to back your excellent “devine” narration?

    Do you have any material evidence other than that?

    What then do you have to say about these scholarly evidence of the origins of Davidians?

    “Dravidians are believed to be of African origin. Similarities between their complexion, forehead structure and bone structure support this claim. After their settlement in India, they established a very sophisticated culture.”

    http://www.india9.com/

    Thanks!

  402. 417. Anthony | April 1st, 2011 at 6:47 am

    “Nobody is interested in countering your moronic arguments and since you are lazy to read JLD’s articles which have all the answers to your 10 stupid jokes, and since I have a little bit of spare time let me reply to your jokes, ”

    Other than a few including you, no, Mr. Anthony Smart?

    Why are you so excited and angry?

    Don’t be so serious, be cool!, we have been good friends for a long time no. Please don’t get angry, you will grow old soon.

    It is a pleasant experience to engage with you. I will respond to you soon.

    Thanks!

  403. 420. yapa

    What evidence do you have to back your excellent “devine” narration? Do you have any material evidence other than that?
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    The first part is from the Sangam literature, and the second part is from the fairy tale “Mahavamsa”. The fairy tale “Mahavamsa” says Buddha visited 3 times to Sri Lanka but the archeologists did not find even a trace to prove this, there is NO evidence what so ever. The Tamils believe that Vijaya came from South India but the fairy tale “Mahavamsa” says he came from Sinhapura in North India, but the archeologists did not find even a trace to prove this, there is NO evidence what so ever. The fairy tale “Mahavamsa” says Emperor Asoka’s missionary monk Mahinda Tero and Sangamittha Tere are his son and daughter but the historians could not find any evidence to prove it. Due to the fairy tale “Mahavamsa” the Sinhalese believe that Devanampiyatissa and Dutugemunu are Sinhala kings but the archeologists and historians are unable to find any evidence what so ever to prove it. Look at your very first post in this thread, you said, “the absence of evidence is merely evidence of absence”. Now, do not become a hypocrite by trying to contradict your own saying.

    Do not look at the ancient period in today’s context. In ancient period, the Tamils in Lanka were Buddhists but today you cannot find any Buddhists. During the early period, being a Buddhist does not prove that you are a Sinhalese.

    What then do you have to say about these scholarly evidence of the origins of Davidians?
    “Dravidians are believed to be of African origin. Similarities between their complexion, forehead structure and bone structure support this claim. After their settlement in India, they established a very sophisticated culture.”
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    I am rolling on floor and laughing my ass off (ROFLMAO) at your general knowledge. Man, you are really a BIG joker. From where did you learn that Harappa and Mohenjo Daro from where the archeologists, anthropologists and historians believe that the Dravidians are originated is in AFRICA?

    The anthropologists and genealogists say that the Veddas, aboriginals of Australia, aboriginals of Indonesia, etc have the same complexion, forehead structure and bone structure as the African and therefore it proves that Sri Lanka, Australia, Indonesia, etc were a part of Africa during the pre-historic period. Are you trying to prove that the Dravidians are also a part of these people? May be you are correct, the Veddas and Dravidians may be from the same origin from Africa even though some archeologists, anthropologists and historians believe they are from Indus valley.

    The term Dravidian is taken from the Sanskrit term Dravida, historically referring to Tamil. In a 2009 study of 132 individuals, 560,000 single-nucleotide polymorphisms in 25 different Indian groups were analyzed, providing strong evidence in support of the notion that modern Indians (both Indo-Aryan and Dravidian groups) are a hybrid population descending from two pre-historic, genetically divergent population some of which, referred to as the ‘Ancestral North Indians’, 40,000 years ago and the other, called the ‘Ancestral South Indians’, 60,000 years ago. The intermingling of ANI’s and ASI’s happened in the same period as the ANI’s first appeared, 40,000 years ago. Cultural and linguistic similarities have been cited by many researchers as being strong evidence for a proto-Dravidian origin of the ancient Indus Valley civilization. In another study of 2009 conducted among 10 Asian countries, Dravidian peoples showed similarities with north Indians as well as peoples of Malaysia, Singapore and China.

  404. I had been reading the recent articles on Lankan history in the Sri Lankan news papers and websites. Even though history is a Social Science, none of these writers seem to be social scientists; some of them are natural science academics (mathematicians) and many others who write history are definitely not known to be attached to the discipline of history or had a formal training in historiography. The problem with natural scientists trying to write articles on Social Science (history) is that they use logic to arrive at conclusions. Logic is not a reliable tool for finding the truth. Logical assumptions and hypothesis based on unobserved facts may lead to falsehood when it comes to disciplines such as history.

    Prof. Nira Wickramasinghe, now holding the Chair of South Asian History at the University of Leiden made a sharp point in her slender book `History Writing`. Sri Lanka, she had remarked, was one of the few countries in which mainstream newspapers carried pieces on history by those without any credentials or formal training in the disciplines of history and historiography. This, she wrote, would never happen in India for instance, where any incursion into history in the quality press would have to be backed up with credentials in order to secure publication.

    What most of these Sinhalese “history” writers are trying to portray is that the majority of the Sri Lankan Tamils and Muslims are recent migrants from South India (Coromandal/Malabar coast) who came to the island only after the arrival of the European colonials, the Portuguese and the Dutch (Tamils as Tobacco cultivators and Muslims as traders) and therefore they do not have a continuous history in Sri Lanka where as Both Sri Lankan Tamils and Muslims refute these arguments. The Sri Lankan Tamils say that they are the decedents of the pre/proto-historic Nagas and Damilas who lived in the island even before the Sinhalese (Vijaya) arrived and the Muslims say that they are also in the island for more than thousand years and are the decedents of Arab traders (not South Indians Moors from Tamil Nadu/Kerala).

    On the other hand, the Tamil and Muslim “history” writers are trying to portray that a large part of the Sinhalese population (mostly the low-country from the South) are recent migrants from South India (Coromandal/Malabar coast) who came to the island only after the arrival of the European colonials (after 1505), the Portuguese and the Dutch, and assimilated with the local Sinhalese (Sinhalized). Further, they say that the Portuguese/Dutch brought a huge number of people from South India and settled in the Southern parts of Sri Lanka for Cinnamon plantation/peeling, for coffee plantation, for coconut plantation/toddy tapping, for fishing and pearl diving, etc. Within a few centuries they all assimilated with the Sinhalese and became Sinhala Buddhists/Catholics. They also say that the three low-country Sinhala castes (Karawa, Durawa, Salagama) are from those who came to Sri Lanka from South India after 1505 where as the Sinhalese refute these arguments. They say that they are the decedents of Aryans (Vijaya) and Yakka/Nagas.

    On the other hand some Sinhalese “history” writers accept that a large number of South Indians (Tamils from Tamil Nadu, Malabars from Kerela, Telugus from Andra and Kalingas from Orissa) came to the Island of Sri Lanka throughout the ages as Invaders, Peaceful migrants, Warriors, Invitees in the form of Kings for the Sinhala throne, Queens, marriage partners, maids, craftsmen, solders, coolies, workers, etc who later settled in the Island and most of their descendants became Sinhala Buddhists during the course of time (Sinhalization). Similarly, many Sinhalese who lived in the North and East became Tamils (Tamilized).

    From the above writings, we can come to a conclusion that irrespective of the race/ethnic group to which we belong today, a large part of the people who call themselves as Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims are those who came to the island after 1505 from South India and the worst part is, each one calling the other as recent migrants from South India even though they all came from the same place during the same period.

    Sri Lankan people are going through the same crisis some countries in Europe would have gone through some decades or centuries ago. With economic prosperity and development, religion, history, etc. have taken a back seat. Even India with its long Hindu history, culture & spirituality is now talking about secularism. This has happened as a result of the economic development and their politicians identifying their priorities for the interest of their country. Countries with Short histories like USA, Canada & Australia are flourishing while the ego of a few South Asian countries like Sri Lanka are keeping them down talking about their glorious past history (while putting each other down) but not the unfortunate present & the disastrous future.

    History should be used only for academic purpose and should not be abused for petty political gains. The biggest challenge for Sri Lanka is how to make the people to think and analyze our past positively and effectively in order to build a bright future, which of course is a Herculean task. Nationalism is good for the country if people think of each other as one common Sri Lankan nation where as ultra-nationalism is the opposite and should be condemned. My only hope that the people of Sri Lanka will come out of the unknown past instead of remaining in the status quo forever.

  405. 423. Brian Aloysius ;

    Very smart piece of writing!

    “I had been reading the recent articles on Lankan history in the Sri Lankan news papers and websites. Even though history is a Social Science, none of these writers seem to be social scientists; some of them are natural science academics (mathematicians) and many others who write history are definitely not known to be attached to the discipline of history or had a formal training in historiography. The problem with natural scientists trying to write articles on Social Science (history) is that they use logic to arrive at conclusions. Logic is not a reliable tool for finding the truth. Logical assumptions and hypothesis based on unobserved facts may lead to falsehood when it comes to disciplines such as history.”

    We really know who you are targeting. You have pointed to your most painful place. That (Natural Scientist) Mathematician has leveled a threat that most Sinhalese Historians with credentials could not pose to mythical lies. So his writings and likes should be prevented. Those extremists who write Dutugemunu was not a Sinhalese has nothing wrong. Smart!

    “Logic is not a reliable tool for finding the truth. Logical assumptions and hypothesis based on unobserved facts may lead to falsehood when it comes to disciplines such as history.”

    What a leaned man is this? Are you suggesting to give up Logic to find truth?

    If you don’t know learn now. One of the branches of the Logic, Deductive Logic is one out of two subjects that ensures truth as its end result. The other subject is Pure Mathematics. All the other knowledge generation methods are based on Inductive Logic and t