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President Rajapaksa initiates political dialogue with TNA

By D.B.S.Jeyaraj

Tamil National Alliance (TNA)leader, Rajavarothayam Sampanthan underwent heart surgery at a hospital in New Delhi on December 7th. The surgery according to TNA sources was successful and the veteran Tamil Parliamentarian from Trincomalee is likely to be discharged this week

The septuagenarian Sampanthan will not however be returning to Sri Lanka soon. Given his age and state of health, Sampanthan will be recuperating in Chennai with his family and not engage in active politics for quite a while.

Rajavarothayam Sampanthan ~ pic courtesy: Reuters

While wishing the TNA leader a speedy recovery this column notes with concern that the delay in Sampanthan returning to the fray may affect the slow progress towards an evolving political understanding between the Government and Tamil National Alliance.

Writing in the “Daily Mirror” of October 16th 2010 this columnist argued strongly that political rapprochement between the Govt and TNA was urgently necessary.

Here are some relevant extracts from that article –

“This does not mean that the TNA gives up all dignity and self-respect as a political party representing the Sri Lankan Tamil people. It also does not mean that the government is right in all what it does and that the TNA has to simply toe its line without question.

What it means is that the TNA as a responsible party representing a badly affected community needs to be flexible and constructive in its approach. It has to deal diplomatically and judiciously with a head swollen regime riding the crest of a triumphant wave with the belief that might is right.

CRUCIAL ISSUES

As far as the Tamil people are concerned there are two crucial issues needing immediate attention.

Firstly there is the imperative need to rehabilitate and resettle all displaced persons. Along with that are the related requisites of reconstruction, development, economic revival, enhancement of employment and improvement of education. There is also the need to secure the speedy release of all detained persons and re-integrate them into society.

Secondly there is the need to redress genuine grievances and accommodate legitimate political aspirations. For this to happen there must be a willingness and readiness to focus on the attainable rather than hanker after the desirable however attractive it may be.

Given current realities what is feasible is to obtain full implementation of the provisions provided through the 13th and 16th amendments to the Constitution albeit with some modification. Greater devolution to the North and East and full fledged official language status for Tamil should be the goals.

For the TNA to achieve these goals it needs to work with the government in a spirit of cooperation and not confrontation. Pressure exerted by India and other Western nations on Colombo can be helpful but can only play a supplementary role.

Experience should teach the Tamil parties that “rights” obtained through external intervention will not be realised on ground if the Sinhala polity resents it. What is workable is for the Tamil political representatives to interact with the ruling regime and work in partnership. Politics is the art of the possible!

President Mahinda Rajapaksa on 07 March 2010 at the President’s House Colombo met Indian Foreign Secretary Ms. Nirupama Rao

On the other hand the Rajapaksa regime too should reflect and revise its approach towards the Tamil and Muslim people. At present the government may be right on top and Mahinda Rajapaksa may feel that he is king of the world.

The political parties representing minority communities have lost all bargaining clout and are virtually powerless. This does not mean that the government should ignore the minorities and roll on like a juggernaut while mouthing meaningless platitudes that there is no majority or minority anymore

In the case of the Tamil people the Rajapaksa regime needs to arrive at some form of understanding with their premier political representatives. Whatever the disgraceful pro-Tiger past of the TNA there is no denying that the alliance performed creditably in the 2010 elections without any Tiger support and won the most number of seats in the Tamil majority regions.

Instead of trying to promote other “replacements” or encourage defections the Rajapaksa regime would do well to forge a working relationship at least with the Tamil national alliance. It does seem clear that the government intends introducing further Constitutional amendments in the future. At least one of these (19th or 20th) would relate to devolution as provided through the Provincial councils.

Although the government has the necessary Parliamentary majority to push through these amendments without TNA support, it would be better to have the TNA on board.

The prestige of the government would rise high if it can win over the TNA and pass the required amendments with its support. Such an amendment would be durable and doable. Likewise the TNA would achieve lasting success if it can work together with the government and play a constructive role in catering to the economic, social, cultural and political needs of the Tamil people.

STALEMATE

If this ideal state of affairs is to evolve both the Govt and TNA have to end the current stalemate. It is not for both sides to wait for the other side to stretch out hands and then grasp it. It is for both sides to reach out to each other. For this a greater sense of political maturity and statesmanship is required.

Rapprochement between the Government and Tamil National Alliance is the need of the hour. Both sides must realise that time is of the essence”.

This column notes with great sense of satisfaction that much water has flown under the bridges since the above appeal was made on October 16th. Significant developments in the sphere of Govt-TNA relations have occurred and gone largely unreported in the media.

While ignorant and biased critics of President Rajapaksa continue to berate him for not attempting to evolve a political settlement to the unresolved Tamil National question, the Machiavelli of Medamulana has in his distinctive functional style initiated some quiet moves to arrive at a political understanding with the premier political party representing Sri Lankan Tamils.

These moves have been largely centered around an unobtrusive dialogue between President Rajapaksa and TNA leader Sampanthan that has focused on ways and means to forge closer understanding and cooperation between the Govt and TNA on important issues affecting the Sri Lankan minority ethnicities in general and the “Ilankai Thamizhar” in particular.

While progress in this respect has not necessarily been at break-neck speed, forward movement has not been at snail pace either. However in the context of Sampanthan’s surgery and recovery there is bound to be a temporary lull in this regard.

This then is the reason for concern expressed by this column that the health condition of Sampanthan may affect the progress towards a Govt-TNA understanding.

CHELVANAYAGAM

There was a stage in Tamil politics when the ailing, elderly Samuel James Velupillai (SJV) Chelvanayagam was the single most important Sri Lankan Tamil political leader. This columnist during his late teens and early twenties used to fervently hope that the Tamil national question would be peacefully resolved while this leader of the Gandhian mould was alive. The future of Tamils seemed bleak and desolate then in a post –SJVC scenario.

PRIME MINISTER S.W.R.D. Bandaranaike (left) and S.J.V. Chelvanayagam, leader of the Thamil Arasu Katchi, shake hands after signing what came to be known as the Bandaranaike-Chelvanayagam Pact on July 26, 1957. Bandaranaike repudiated the agreement in April 1958 in view of a campaign led by the Buddhist clergy and sections of the Sinhala political leadership. ~ pic courtesy: The Hindu

Sadly, Chelvanayagam passed away within a fortnight of this columnist receiving his baptism as a cub reporter on the “Virakesari”. In fact my first by-line was for a human interest story relating to SJV’s death. With the wisdom of hindsight I now feel that my fears then were indeed proved right. The Tamils have indeed been like a rudderless boat in the absence of Chelvanayagam.

Election poster in Trincomalee ~ pic: Drs. Sarajevo

Rajavarothayam Sampanthan is no Chelvanayagam but he is the “best” of what is available now, notwithstanding his “dark” period of subservience to the LTTE. He is the leader of the Tamil party that contested Parliament democratically and won the most number of seats from the districts in the North and East of Sri Lanka.

Apart from being the acknowledged leader holding fissiparous factions of the TNA together, Sampanthan in his own way has earned the recognition of the Governments of Sri Lanka and India. While some pundits may observe glibly that no man is indispensable this column opines that the man called Sampanthan is currently playing a historical role. This is why his health is a cause for concern.

It may be recalled that there had been some positive developments of a minor nature in Govt-TNA relations in September 2010. Mainly due to iniatives by Economic Development Minister and Presidential sibling, Basil Rajapaksa, some TNA Parliamentarians participated in District Development meetings. When MP’s Suresh Premachandran, Saravanabavan and Sumanthiran of the TNA attended at a development meeting in Jaffna, Basil Rajapaksa who chaired the meeting explicitly welcomed their participation.

There was however a setback of sorts in October. President Rajapaksa himself chaired two meetings reviewing resettlement and development activities in the Eastern and Northern Provinces. The TNA however was a conspicuous absentee in the meetings held in Trincomalee and Vavuniya respectively. This despite willingness expressed by the TNA to participate.

When all these events were happening or not happening the TNA leader Sampanthan was in Chennai. Again he was not in the best of health but was in constant contact with party members in Sri Lanka. Despite Sampanthan being physically absent from Sri Lanka he was together with the President engaged in a very worthwhile exercise away from the media spotlight.

The President apparently had taken the initiative to appoint a “representative” to engage in “unofficial talks” with the TNA. Sampanthan in India responded positively to this path-breaking gesture by the President and nominated his own “representative”. Both representatives who enjoyed the trust and confidence of Rajapaksa and Sampanthan respectively were reportedly competent in Constitutional matters.

DISCUSSIONS

These unofficial talks were in a sense a prelude to more serious “official” talks expected in the future. The unofficial talks on the sidelines described as “preliminary discussions” had resulted in significant forward movement. Both representatives participating in the “one on one” talks reported back regularly to the President and TNA leader respectively.

According to informed sources the two representatives had utilised earlier agreements and reports as a substantive basis for these preliminary discussions.

The Indo –Lanka accord of 1987, The Mangala Moonesinghe Select Committee report of 1993, the Constitutional Reforms proposals of 1995 and 2000, The inaugural address by President Rajapaksa at the APRC conference, The majority and minority reports of the Experts panel at the APRC and the Preliminary/interim reports of the APRC Chairman were some of the documents used as a basis to formulate an acceptable framework.

The preliminary discussions between the two representatives had according to knowledgeable sources made commendable progress in most respects. Some of the salient points on which preliminary agreement was reached were -

AGREEMENT

- There will be no concurrent list and the reserved list will be limited to matters such as National Defence, Foreign Affairs, National Fiscal Policy, Immigration/Emigration, Citizenship, Customs, Posts, Telecommunications, International Airports, Major Harbours, Railways, National Highways, and Maritime Zones. All other powers will be exercised by the provinces.

- Exclusive powers over land, development, health, education, etc., and fiscal powers, including the power to receive foreign direct investments to be granted to the provinces. Foreign loans may also be negotiated and received by the provinces directly with the concurrence of the Centre.

- All state land in the provinces (except those that fall within the reserved subjects such as national airports, harbours etc.) to vest in the provincial council with provision for the Centre to request and use lands necessary for other national projects.

- The national finance commission to evolve a scheme for the allocation of resources based on the principle of balanced regional development with the provinces being categorised based on the present levels of development in order for those lagging behind to “catch-up”.

There were however some areas on which agreement was not reached.

The most important of these was the issue of Police powers for the Provincial Councils. Another crucial area of disagreement was the unit of devolution. Although the Northern and Eastern Provinces have been de-merged now the TNA is yet hopeful that some meaningful compromise could be achieved.

As far as this column is concerned the areas of disagreement in the preliminary discussions is not a major obstacle. This column opines that the substance or powers of devolution are more important than the unit. It is possible that as further talks of a concrete nature ensue the “Tamil” side may opt to compromise on the unit in return for greater substance

Even on an issue like granting police powers other alternative arrangements may be possible. One option is to grant the Provincial Council the powers of community policing and/or unarmed Policemen. Another option is to recruit more Tamils and Muslims to the Police force and deploy them in larger numbers in the North and East while not giving Police powers to the Province.

POWER –SHARING

According to informed sources another vital issue that transpired in the preliminary discussions was the concept of power sharing at the centre.

Historically the Tamils agitating for equality on the Island had earlier thought of theselves as an All – Island community and wanted to share power at the centre with the Sinhalese majority.

[GG Ponnambalam, SJV Chelvanayagam & M Tiruchelvam]

The “balanced representation” demand put forward by GG Ponnambalam snr of the All Ceylon Tamil Congress (ACTC) was basically a formula aimed at ensuring equitable power sharing at the centre. The advent of SJV Chelvanayagam and the Federal Party saw Tamil self –perception changing to that of a regional minority demanding federalism or devolution for the Northern and Eastern Provinces.

This demand was opposed by the Tamil Congress. The Tamil political discourse of the fifties and sixties of the 20th century was replete with the pro and anti arguments for federalism

Former Tamil United Libertion Front (TULF) Parliamentarian and eminent Constitutional lawyer Dr.Neelan Tiruchelvam would often tell this columnist “It is because we (Tamils) could not share power at the centre that we are forced to demand power sharing at the periphery”. In a significant development the demand for Federalism transformed into a demand for secession leading to an armed struggle that has debilitated the Tamil people and destroyed the Tamil areas of historic habitation.

Against that backdrop the preliminary discussions between the representatives of President Rajapaksa and TNA leader Sampanthan focusing on the question of power sharing at the centre is a singularly positive development. The unofficial talks addressed the issue of evolving a viable mechanism to ensure power sharing at the centre but failed to arrive at a solid arrangement

Nevertheless the fact that such talks on this crucial issue did take place is by itself a positive development. It is to be hoped that the issue would be dealt with conclusively when official talks between the Govt and TNA occur in the future.

Given the historic fear and reluctance of the Sinhala majority to devolve greater powers to the periphery the forging of a power sharing mechanism at the centre may create the necessary climate where an adequate and equitable power sharing arrangements could be endorsed without paranoia.

The preliminary discussions between the two representatives produced satisfactory results. The commendable political initiative by the President had laid the groundwork for more meaningful, authoritative discussions in the future. The areas of agreement arrived at in these unofficial talks could be a solid foundation to build upon at further talks. The stage was set for the President’s low-key political initiative to proceed to the next level.

INVITATION

This was made possible by the return of Sampanthan to Sri Lanka. President Rajapaksa extended a discreet invitation to the TNA leader for talks. What was noteworthy in the invitation was that the President wanted to talk with Sampanthan alone. The TNA as a party was not invited. Only Sampanthan was invited for one on one talks with the executive president.

One reason for the invitation being extended to Sampanthan alone was due to the comfort level enjoyed by the President with the veteran Tamil leader. It was also a matter of trust and confidence. The harsh reality is that the Govt particularly the President is unhappy about some of the statements and views expressed by some TNA personalities. There are also intelligence reports available about covert links maintained by some TNA stalwarts with LTTE or pro-LTTE elements among the Tamil Diaspora.

Thus the President preferred to deal with Sampanthan directly and alone. There are some relatively junior TNA personalities whose credentials are impeccable in Govt perception. Among senor TNA leaders the Govt considers only Sampanthan as trustworthy and free of covert Diaspora tiger influence.

The one –on – one talks between Rajapaksa and Sampanthan took place on November 3rd 2010. Both interacted alone without aides. Various matters relevant to the Tamil people in particular and Sri Lanka in general were discussed in detail. External Affairs minister Prof.G.L. Peiris joined the Rajapaksa-Sampanthan talks during the final stages.

Sampanthan during the talks with the President entreated him to utilise the historic opportunity afforded. He pointed out that Rajapaksa had been elected President again and had a two-thirds majority. Sampanthan said that Mahinda enjoyed the absolute trust and confidence of the Sinhala people and could therefore be magnanimously receptive to the legitimate aspirations of the Tamils without risking a Sinhala hawkish backlash

Sampanthan also requested President Rajapaksa to trust the TNA just as that party would trust him. He said that if such a climate of mutual trust could be established the TNA would extend its fullest cooperation to the President and his government. While stating that the Govt with a two-thirds majority did not require the TNA’s quantitative support the Govt could benefit by the TNA’s qualitative support and cooperation.

As the premier political formation representing the Sri Lankan Tamils, Sampanthan pointed out that the Govt stood to gain politically by getting the cooperative support of the TNA. He further said that the President’s political stature and prestige would be greatly enhanced through TNA support. It may also strengthen him in confronting issues of democracy, pluralism and human rights.

JOINT MECHANISMS

The TNA leader also renewed two earlier requests to which the President had agreed in principle. In the first meeting held between the President and TNA after the April Parliamentary elections, Rajapaksa had agreed to the setting up of two govt-TNA joint mechanisms. One was to oversee resettlement and development matters in the North and East and the other was to work out a viable political solution. The TNA had even submitted a list of nominees to one of the joint committees.

Now Sampanthan renewed the requests in his meeting with the President. He stated that the immediate issues the TNA was concerned about were Resettlement, Rehabilitation, Livelihood of the displaced persons particularly in the Wanni, the area worst affected by the war. Sampanthan said that the North and East generally, have also been affected by the war, and while displaced persons need to be resettled rehabilitated and provided livelihood, other affected people need to be assisted in numerous ways. He said that this task should be implemented in a comprehensive manner.

Sampanthan then requested that the TNA be involved in the process. He pointed out to the President that “When we are involved, the Tamil people, substantial sections of the Tamil Diaspora, and substantial sections of the International Community, will adopt a more helpful and positive attitude towards the fulfilment of the urgent tasks in the North and East”. He further stated that “the whole process will be infused with greater credibility, and will gather momentum. I expect that the required aid and assistance will become more easily available”.

Sampanthan then re-submitted the list of persons nominated by the TNA for inclusion in this joint committee mechanism to oversee and handle matters of North – East resettlement and development. Care was taken to include MP’s from both provinces involved in related efforts and constituent parties of the TNA. The names were –

R.Sampanthan M.P – Trincomalee District
Mavai Senathirajah M.P – Jaffna District
Suresh Premachandran M.P – Jaffna District
Selvam Adaikalanathan M.P – Vanni District
Pon Selvarajah M.P – Batticaloa District
S.Sreetharan M.P – Kilinochchi District
M.A. Sumanthiran M.P – National List

A part from this the TNA leader also requested President to set up a mechanism to commence a structured dialogue to help evolve an acceptable political solution. He suggested that this joint committee could consist of nominees from either side.

Sampanthan then submitted a list of five names. They were –

R.Sampanthan M.P – Trincomalee District
K.Kanag-Isvaran – President’s Counsel
Mavai Senathirajah M.P – Jaffna District
Suresh Premachandran M.P – Jaffna District
M.A. Sumanthiran M.P – National List

It is noteworthy that one of the names submitted is not a TNA Parliamentarian. Legal luminary K.Kanag- Isvaran is the son of former Tamil Congress Senator and lawyer SR.Kanaganayagam. The distinguished Presidents counsel who holds independent political views has been nominated because of his professional expertise in Constitutional affairs.

SPOILERS

The TNA leader also indicated to President Rajapaksa that there were many “spoilers” on either side of the ethnic divide who wanted to disrupt matters and keep the political cauldron boiling. Sampanthan said that so far the TNA had resisted these pressures and remained steadfast in their commitment towards a political settlement within a united Sri Lanka. He earnestly urged the President to act speedily and positively in adhering to the TNA requests

President Rajapaksa who had been a rapt listener to the viewpoints articulated by Sampanthan assured the TNA leader that he appreciated the Tamil party leaders perspective. The President also indicated to Sampanthan through a few remarks that he was fully aware of the potential “spoilers”. He said that he could handle these trouble-makers when the necessity arose. The main thing he said was for the TNA to cooperate positively with the government in addressing issues facing the country

President Rajapaksa then said that he would consult with some of his cabinet colleagues and political advisers and set up the two joint committee mechanisms. He said that he would appoint Govt nominees to the joint mechanism on Resettlement and development after consulting Basil Rajapaksa. As for the other committe on a political settlement, President Rajapaksa said he would appoint ministers like GL Peiris, Nimal Siripala de Silva, Dullas Alahapperuma and Basil Rajapaksa with a few legal experts.

President Rajapaksa then wound up the meeting after telling Sampanthan that he would set up both joint committee mechanisms after he was sworn in as President on November 19th. The President asked Sampanthan to be in touch with ministers GL Peiris and Basil Rajapaksa.

Sampanthan returned a happy and satisfied man after the meeting. He was quite optimistic about the future while informing his TNA colleagues about the outcome of his tete – a – tete with the President. The TNA leader also wrote to the President on November 10th outlining the essence of his conversation with the President on Nov 3rd and said he was looking forward to the setting up of the joint mechanisms.

CONGRATULATIONS

Sampanthan sent a second missive to the President on Nov 18th congratulating him on being sworn in as President for the second time. He said “We extend to you our congratulations and best wishes on your assumption of office, for the second terms, as the Executive President of Sri Lanka”.

“We earnestly look forward to working with you, as already discussed with you, on all issues pertaining to the war-affected Tamil Civilian population in the North and East of Sri Lanka particularly in regard to the evolution of an acceptable political solution within a united country”

“We are confident that the necessary mechanisms to undertake these tasks will be set up as the earliest as per the assurances given to us”.

Despite these manifestations of goodwill and hope the TNA was to be disappointed as there was no sign of the two joint mechanisms being set up after Nov 19th as promised. There were some indications that they would be appointed after Indian Foreign minister SM Krishna’s visit.

The Indian minister’s visit also held out hope to the TNA. Krishna spoke of a structured dialogue mechanism to resolve all outstanding matters. The foreign minister also had an extended conversation with Sampanthan during the state banquet hosted by President Rajapaksa in Krishna’s honour.

Krishna told Sampanthan that he had impressed upon President Rajapaksa the imperative need to enter into a structured political dialogue with the TNA. The Indian foreign minister also told Sampanthan that he had conveyed Indian PM Manmohan Singh’s opinion on the subject. Apparently th Indian PM had opined that he hoped the Govt-TNA talks would be underway when he met President Rajapaksa next.

“THE HINDU”

In spite of the optimism exuded by SM Krishna developments on ground were not rosy. President Rajapaksa departed for Britain on November 29th for his aborted lecture in Oxford. TNA leader Sampanthan was taken ill and left for India on Nov 30th. President Rajapaksa returned on December 3rd but the mood in the Country is transformed as a result of the Tamil Diaspora antics in Britain. On the other hand Sampanthan underwent successful surgery but remains indisposed still.

The delay in implementing assurances given by the President to the TNA leader has caused much concern and worry in informed Tamil circles. This concern has been exacerbated by sentiments expressed by President Rajapaksa in an earlier interview to “The Hindu”.

At one point in the interview N.Ram, Editor –in – Chief of “The Hindu” asks the President “Now, there are heightened expectations about the political solution, the 13th Amendment-plus, that has been promised. The impression is that there is drift here?”

President Rajapaksa responds – “As you would understand, we can discuss this only now — with all the political parties. After the elections, we have had discussions and they will continue. The solution that I have in mind might not be good enough for them; they might not accept it. Not only the political parties, the people must accept it. They want a new leadership to be built up. After we send them back to their villages, they have all these expectations and hopes. We must find out from them too. I have already had discussions with our political leaders who are in the government and who are in the opposition”.

N.Ram then queries “Do you have in mind a clear political solution, even if you have not revealed the specifics?”. To this the President replies “Yes, but I will first find out their views. We want to appoint a committee, from both sides and discuss all these.”

This Column does not want to comment or conjecture further on President Rajapaksa’s views expressed to N.Ram of “The Hindu” but would like to emphasise that the views suggest there is a “Disconnect” between what was purportedly told Sampanthan in private and what was told publicly to the Chennai based newspaper.

CONCILIATORY

The TNA also demonstrated its desire for a structured dialogue with the govt through a goodwill gesture on the second reading of the Budget.The TNA did not vote against the budget as was expected. This conciliatory move was heartily welcomed by Basl Rajapaksa in the House.In a press release the TNA observed thus –

“From the commencement of this parliament our position has been that the government must engage in discussion with us, the elected representatives of the Tamil people on this immediate resettlement and rehabilitation concerns and resolution to the national problem. However no meaningful steps have been taken by the government in this regard up-to-date. In this context we would like to demonstrate our good faith in participating in the discussions concerning the extremely important issues of resettlement and political solution. Therefore the TNA has decided to abstain from voting against the budget 2011 at the second reading today”.

The tragic history of worsening ethnic relations in Sri Lanka is replete with instances of leaders backtracking or failing to deliver on political promises. It is to be hoped that the seeming delay on President Rajapaksa is due to political procrastination and not political default. This column does not wish to speculate on possible reasons for the Presidents delay at this juncture but only urges him to set up the two joint mechanisms as soon as possible

While the ill-health of Sampanthan is certainly a drawback that should not deter the President from appointing the joint committees formally. Preliminary meetings could be convened without Sampanthan’s presence with TNA circles keeping the leader informed till his health improves

This column therefore urges President Rajapaksa to take the political move he initiated in promoting a dialogue with the TNA to its logical conclusion by appointing a joint committee mechanism for structured political dialogue.

“Time is of the essence” for the “Ilankai Thamizgar” of Sri Lanka

DBS Jeyaraj can be reached at djeyaraj2005@yahoo.com

400 Comments

  1. selvan says:

    Fantastic news.

    Hope this will not sabotage any chance of meaningful resolution

    Hope MR is not doing the divide and rule strategy.

    Sincerely hope something will come out of this.

  2. S.Thillaiambalam says:

    Thank you very much Mr.Jeyaraj for this very good news. I think you are the first to report on this very welcome development

    Whatever the delays and hitches both sides must continue with talks till agreement is reached

    I wish Mr.Sampanthan a speedy recovery

  3. Sinha says:

    Congratz DBS. This is a brilliant journalistic scoop presented in a constructive,positive manner

    Lets hope for the best

  4. BunkerRat says:

    The bottom line the saner Sri Lankans have to understand is that, if Tamil terrorists could terrorize us for 30 years for a fake cause… are we going supply them a basis and a base to validate another cause?

    Haven’t we learned enough? Let’s not send wrong signals!

  5. Suresh M says:

    I have always believed in Sampanthan, and his ability to talk to the SL Govt., India, or International community. He is the only one left who has good standing with local Tamil population.

  6. Rain Bow says:

    Thank you DBSJ once again for keeping us informed! I am sure President Rajapakse can handle the so called ‘spoilers’ in his own style. It would be great if things happen the way you described here. May be the way the diaspora behaved when the President was in UK to address the Oxford Society, contributed towards the lull of the moment. Let us hope and pray the negotiations begin again.

    It is time we stop pointing the finger at each other and begin to trust each other.

    God bless Sri Lanka!

  7. Anbe Sivam says:

    what a big relief.Thank you for the good news

  8. Nadarajah says:

    Thank you DBS Jeyaraj for this wonderful news. You have poured milk in my heart. (nenjil paal vaartheer)

    All Tamils will pray for success of govt-tna talks

  9. Brian says:

    Congratulations DBS on your scoop. Lets hope things will work out well for helpless Tamils

  10. Manju says:

    Good news DBS. I hope Mr.Sambandan will recover soon and return

  11. Nirmala says:

    Thanks DBS for this scoop

    Best news I’ve heard in a long,long time

  12. Kandos says:

    Great news article DBS

    Now I understand why you were so mad at Diaspora demonstrators. You knew about these positive developments and was worried that they may get derailed due to Diaspora antics

    Good for you DBS

  13. eesan mahan says:

    Dear DBS,

    Thanks for the detailed chronicle. At a time when speculations are rife and a sense of pessimism setting in, both within and outside Sri Lanka on the post war reconciliation, sharing and devolving of power with the Tamils, this article has brought out some underlying facts towards the task of reconciliation.

    Also you have raised the question very subtly on the future of TNA sans Sampanthan given his experience, age and health. Certainly a notable degree of flexibility is seen from the TNA side of late and hope it is reciprocated with the same vigor from the govt side.

    The one to one talk between the two leaders may also pave way to break the ice and take the rapprochement process forward.

    It is also hight time that the Diaspora come out of the Utopian world and clearly understand that the ground situation in the North and East is not as bad as they perceive and inform the world. Of course vital issues still remain.

    They should also think in terms of the well being of their folk back home and not furthering their interests in the western world.

    The govt should also be serious in reconciliation and take the development of North and East on a war footing focusing more on education, health and rural development.

    Sincerity shown in development would go a long way in healing the wounds though not the scars.

  14. Truthful says:

    Dear DBS

    My humble apologies for misunderstanding and insulting you for praising Mahindas statement as being statesmanlike after the Oxford fiasco

    Now I realise why you were so concerned and went out of your way to pacify Mahinda

    You knew about the talks he had initiated and was worried that tiger diaspora demonstrations may upset the situation

    Now that I understand your noble motives my respect for you has gone very much up

  15. keerthi says:

    You never cease to amaze me DBS

    I am flabbergasted that you living in Canada could write such a detailed report about govt-tna talks when none of our local media couldnt

    Hats off to you

  16. indonicus says:

    I hope the president is initiating discussions with the TNA through Sampanthan and not trying to get Sampanthan to join the UPFA. If it is done in good faith, all the best!

  17. Streetlamp says:

    Happy to read positive sounding reports – so much better than the distressing news we have all been forced to read for so long.
    And DBS, I am not criticising your “jottings” – I enjoy reading nearly everything you write!

    There are some clear warnings in this blog though and I sincerely hope that these discussions continue and lead to workable solutions.
    I hope MR doesn’t get too caught up in wanting the people on side and causing unnecessary delays as a result. He has his solid majority and public opinion would surely back a devolution type proposal.

    What is described sounds like politics which is so much better than the recent alternatives!

    Thanks again for giving us this fly on the wall type perspective. You really are unique in the journalistic field Mr. Jeyaraj.

  18. Kanthan says:

    Even if Mahinda delays TNA must remain in talks.Tamils must support Mahinda

  19. Mythili says:

    Beautifully written wonderful news dear DBS.

    Thank you so much for revealing the most positive development in recent times.No wonder you were so mad at the Diaspora jokers.They are the real spoilers

  20. Mohan says:

    DBSJ
    Thank you for initiating this talk.
    Hope you will achieve your aim

    ????????????…………..DBSJ

  21. Mavady says:

    “This Column does not want to comment or conjecture further on President Rajapaksa’s views expressed to N.Ram of “The Hindu” but would like to emphasise that the views suggest there is a “Disconnect” between what was purportedly told Sampanthan in private and what was told publicly to the Chennai based newspaper”….DBS

    I think DBS anna, MR didn’t want to reveal everything to Hindu at that point in time. Because that could give wrong signal to others/oppositions and disturb everything in the beginning. Whatever it is MR’s talk with Sampanthan iya is very good start. TNA was holding tigers’ tail in the past. Even they let MR down by supporting SF in the election time. Still MR forgives everything and invited Sampanthan iya for talks. This show s MR’s genuine attempt to resolve this conflict. At this time everybody hold his hand and support him to go further. Otherwise he can’t do anything. In the past Sinhala oppositions parties and Buddhist monks were big obstacle to the peace progress. But this time I hope pro-LTTE Diaspora will be the big obstacle to the peace progress. MR is clever man and he knows how to tackle these trouble makers. I beg follow readers to write something here that could bring and ease the tension between the two communities and permanent peace back home. Please do not encourage another bloodbath.

  22. Bala.M says:

    Thanks for the good news DBSJ.
    (‘Kaathis Theanai iniththathu aiya”)

    In your past columns I thought there may be something cooking because I saw some positive attitude in your notes. As a well informed journalist I know you could smell something thousands of mile away. Hindu Ram was behind the 1987 Indo-SL Pact. Even though it went wrong still it is the basic.

    I wish both sides could use your expertise in this historic juncture. You could be be resource and a trusted person.

    While MR look after his spoilers we Tamils should look after the spoilers in Diaspora. WE need your pen more than ever. That’s why I asked you whether you have some intention to reopen a Tamil weekly in Toronto. There are lots of people here to be educated.

    We should encourage and support Sampanthan. As you said, will hope God will have a little mercy on us and leave him with us in this juncture.

    Also hope MR will be in Sri Lanka’s history forever as a leader who not only united the country but also a Statesman.

    Bala.M.

  23. Don says:

    DBS:- The most important thing for me in this article was the fact you touched on the singhaese suspicions with respect to Tamil demands. You have put it very well & brilliantly captured the sentiments of the Singhalese. Secondly, SJV was very well known to my family who portrayed him to me as a good Christian and a good person. However, he is supposed to have supported the vadukottai resolution which calls for a separate state for Tamils. Is this true?

    Yes…………..DBSJ

  24. Lewis says:

    DBS

    Why do I get the feeling that you are playing an important behind the scenes role in encouraging political talks between President and Sampanthan?Why ?

    Why oh Why is the sky so high and pigs dont fly and trees dont cry? Why oh why?……………….DBSJ

  25. Parakrama says:

    I think Tiger Diaspora in Britain got to know about this govt-tna talks. I think Oxford protest was sinister plot to scuttle the dialogue by angering Mahinda.I think you played important role in pacifying and diverting Mahinda anger elsewhere DBS

  26. Mercy says:

    This is a lovely article to read Mr.Jeyaraj. I am so glad there is light at the end of tunnel

  27. Vikram says:

    Political dialogue is the only way out.India will surely support govt-tna talks

  28. Kalu Albert says:

    If the TNA & Sambadan, even at this late stage come out and condemn the dastardly act of using Terror and Intimidation by the British and European Diaspora it will earn them some credibility and respect from the majority.

    TNA needs the Government and the President more than the latter need them.

    TNA can not and must not be allowed to have a Bob each way.

    The Rehab and Resettlement have been progressing since may 2009 without the TNA and it will continue regardless.

    Reading the list of the nominees to various electorates clearly indicates that this is an act of political survival and revival of the fortunes on the back of the Government efforts.

    Government can’t forget the good Tamil leaders and others who have been with them since Rajapksa’s first inauguration, and give TNA a “Free Kick”

    Sharing power at the Central Level is not a problem as long as the minorities and the majority have one system.

    The Government’s only need of the TNA is to help convince the brain washed Western leaders who are still running behind the Diaspora to destroy Srilanka.

    What the vast majority of Srilankans are yearning for is a united peaceful and prosperous Srilanka where our children, grandchildren and great, great grand children can live comfortable lives without racial , caste or religious differences and discrimination,

    If the ,TNA and Sambadan have the same Goal, they must come out openly and say yes we want the same and reinforce that with an addition like “Yes We Can”.

  29. Nauffer says:

    Dialogue with govt is best bet for TNA. They should follow Hakeem and Muslim Congress in politics

  30. Michael says:

    This sort of Dialogue is necessary and important. I hope both sides stay the course at the table. Even if the President procrastinates the TNA should be patient. As DBS points out the Tamils need to be pragmatic because they are weak and vulnerable

  31. [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by nizam_nizam, David Jeyaraj. David Jeyaraj said: http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/1866 President Rajapaksa initiates political dialogue with Tamil National Alliance TNA #SriLanka #LKA [...]

  32. Siri says:

    DBS

    You have always promoted agreement between govt and TNA. I respect and admire you a lot but I dont trust or respect the TNA. So I am sorry to say I am not so enthusiastic or confident about TNA sincerity

  33. Ponnambalam says:

    DBS

    I suspect strongly that you played a part in this rapprochement. Anyway God bless you for it if true. The Tamils need this urgently

  34. sg says:

    It should not happen that what was happend like fast. Both side must be protect thier frankly commitment on this matter becouse this the the crucial time period to solve one of the major problem in this country. Flexibilty and compromise agreements will be shown political maturity of the both side. Parties should try to mainatain a most neutralise ideology in this regard without going for a narrow extrimist approach. How ever, it is good and most positive effort for the future generation in this country .

  35. Cheetah says:

    BUNKER RAT IS WORST FORM OF SINHALESE VERMIN

  36. Santhi says:

    Nice article, but I think Mahinda should distance himself from the TNA becuase of the diaspora Tamil antics. The Tamils must learn there will be consequences to their welfare and well being if they attack the president of Sri Lanka or the Sinhalese people. I don’t think the Tamils understand this.

    Mahinda should ask the TNA to condemn diaspora Tamils and break all ties with them before embarking on any political talks with the TNA. The diaspora Tamils must learn that their anti-Sri Lankan activities have debilitating consequences for Tamils in Sri Lanka.

  37. [...] President Rajapaksa promises another political dialogue(?) with TNA, NO to the Promised 13+ [...]

  38. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    This is indeed positive news. This also explains a lot about the sentiments that you expressed in the last two posts of yours.

    As I said in many times in this blog, Mahinda is the ONLY politician in Sri Lanka at this time who could pull something like this off.

    I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that you had some involvement in these developments DBS. Let us all hope and pray that these talks will go to a conclusion.

  39. Velu Balendran says:

    The Tamil people will decide what they want. The TNA has a mandate from the Tamils. It should gauge the feelings of the Tamils. If they undermine their trust, that will be their end of TNA. Others are waiting in the wings!

  40. Dear DBS,

    I hope that this is the light at the end of a very long tunnel (and not an incoming train☺.).

    Your wise words need to be repeated until people know them by heart.

    “For the TNA to achieve these goals it needs to work with the government in a spirit of cooperation and not confrontation. Pressure exerted by India and other Western nations on Colombo can be helpful but can only play a supplementary role.

    Experience should teach the Tamil parties that “rights” obtained through external intervention will not be realised on ground if the Sinhala polity resents it.”

    This is also what Prof Dayan J’s been saying, ad nausem. Do you think the West-based pro-LTTE diaspora are in a mood to listen to this?

    I still don’t see any real signs of self-analysis or self-criticism amongst this group, only threats, threats and more threats which simply will not work in SL.

    Why do they keep up this futile and self-defeating behaviour? Is it because they don’t have to suffer the consequences of their actions?

  41. Dr.Yogaratnam says:

    Wonderful Article again,As you said time is essence for Ceylon Tamils, Discussion have happened long time ago. Mr.R.Sampanthan is under medical care now—So Sri Lankan president should have imitated the agreed joint mechanism earlier. MPs may have contacts with international Tamil community.As you said “The tragic history of worsening ethnic relations in Sri Lanka is replete with instances of leaders backtracking or failing to deliver on political promises”. If Mr. President keep promises and find the solution; (May not be Tamil desire –would acceptable) he will get the good place in the history and Sri Lanka will get momentum on development and prosperity

  42. m gamage says:

    Nicest thing I heard since I heard the death of vp.

    I hope MR will have courage to accomplish his mission, a truly peaceful country.

    I am ready to forgive MR for running an extravagant government as long as he can transform Sri Lanka into a country where Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims and all others have equal rights and equal opportunities.

  43. Ellalan says:

    State of Lanka is described as below.

    The tyrant terrifies his subjects. Spying balefully on the world from his strongly fortified palace, as sensitive to approaching prey or predators as spider delicately balanced at centre of the a web, he dominates the life of all around him. He takes credit for the projects, like great churches and other fine buildings. Entertaining the ambassadors of foreign powers at his own table, he makes decisions that affect well being of all of his subjects without consulting anyone except his favourites. he turns his entire state into a machine for his own profit and that of a few friends. And he does shrink from robbing wealthy men of their possessions or pure young women of their virtue. All threats to his sole authority he resists with absolute ferocity.

  44. Gemunu says:

    State of Wanni under Pirapa is described as below.

    The tyrant terrifies his subjects. Spying balefully on the world from his strongly fortified palace, as sensitive to approaching prey or predators as spider delicately balanced at centre of the a web, he dominates the life of all around him. He takes credit for the projects, like great churches and other fine buildings. Entertaining the ambassadors of foreign powers at his own table, he makes decisions that affect well being of all of his subjects without consulting anyone except his favourites. he turns his entire state into a machine for his own profit and that of a few friends. And he does not shrink from robbing wealthy men of their possessions or pure young women of their virtue. All threats to his sole authority he resists with absolute ferocity.

  45. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    TNA has shown its bona fides and openly confirmed they are willing to work with the government towards an early solution. Speaking against the Budget during the 1st reading and yet abstaining during voting time is as clear a message as is possible. The slight of the London debacle should not be taken on the TNA and the Tamil people. President Rajapakse will have to live upto the assurances of his Statesman-like declaration at the Dorchester Hotel to the UK media.

    The 2 Committees – the one on infra-structure development,
    re-settlement etcof the NEP and the other on the Constitutional issues must be set up without delay.
    While everyone hopes for senior Parliamentarian Sampanthan to return to the political field his illness or any other should not stand in the way of the process of ushering in unity. Anything less will only hasten the return of militancy to NEP politics – as warned by most Lankan watchers.

    ISS

  46. Hunchback says:

    Great article DBSJ

    Step in the right direction and another nail in the separatist coffin/LTTE

    There should be some urgency to this. I don’t want to sound callous, but Sampanthan may not be around to lead for too long.

    I noted from your article the next level of leadership seem tainted from their association past/current with the remnants of the LTTE.

    As such I was quite interested in your comment ‘There are some relatively junior TNA personalities whose credentials are impeccable in Govt perception’.

    Truth be told that came as a bit of surprise. Any names of Tamil politician we should look out for the future? Rising stars who have achieved what was thought the near impossible to gain the confidence of the Govt.? No mean feat..

    Despite some of his comments I thought Raviraj was one too look out for the future (even in national politics).

    One wonder how he would have performed now, in peace time?

    Rome was not built in a day, and a durable peace will not be done either. I with Sampanthan a speedy recovery, but it would be nice to get an idea of who are the credible/untainted tamil politicians, who we should keep an eye out for in future?

    Just another question. I understand that there will be a islandwide census next year, for the first time in 30 years. Will there be an impact on tamil politics/issues for the future? – i.e. validity of a NE Merger, distribution of resources, future development of the regions, encouragement given for returnees (diaspora)?

  47. Don says:

    44. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:- Can you please tell me the reason why SJVC supported the Vadukottai resolution for a separate state? You are probably one of the best people to shed light on this.

  48. Ambalangoda Man says:

    This is great news. I think I would have to do a complete U-turn on the Rajapakses. If he can destroy the LTTE and then give a reasonable solution to the Tamils he would have achieved something that no leader has achieved since independence. He rightfully can be compared to Dutu Gemunu.

    My father used to deal with Sampanthan in Trincomalee some years back. He always said that he was a decent person and had a very high regard for him.

    The question is what is the international community going to do. They have fallen for the Tiger propaganda that Mahinda Rajapakse is a terrible racist dictator and a human rights violator. Then he signs a agreement with the Tamils that no previous leader could do. Are they still going to chase him for human rights violations.
    He has proved the point the cause justifies the means and the world is not black and white as these liberal left wing western do gooders think.

  49. BunkerRat says:

    [BUNKER RAT IS WORST FORM OF SINHALESE VERMIN]

    It does not matter what you think. We have to protect the only country we have, using WHATEVER MEANS AVAILABLE TO US, including hatred.

    Sri Lankans will never be the same after the beating they got from the Tamil terrorists for 30 years… and still getting from the Tamil Terrorist Dioaspora (TTD.)… Our president himself tasted the extent of the determination of the TTD to attack us…. just a few days ago.

    Not an inch of leverage or automation should be given to ‘Tamils’… but everything must be available for Sri Lankans.

    I would not be surprised if one fine day, 500,000 TTD arriving by smaill boats at the same time, attacking Sri Lankans in every nook and corner. Judging by the actions of TTD, can we rule that out, fellow Sri Lankans? What options we have in place to stop future Tamil terrorists? Do terrorists understand dialogue?

    Never ever under-estimate TTD…. they are planning day and night to kill us… and create Elaam.

    FACE THEM… FACE THEM & FACE THEM…. and decimate them.

  50. rasaiah says:

    if you meet MAHINDA RAJAJAPAKSHA you are a traitor,what you should do is to support ealam transitional government and be the voice of diaspora tamils,we tamils live in canada only believe in tamil ealam,its our dream

  51. Naresh says:

    Hope we will get peaceful lanka in near future.

  52. shankar says:

    #48-ambalangoda man

    The question is what is the international community going to do. They have fallen for the Tiger propaganda that Mahinda Rajapakse is a terrible racist dictator and a human rights violator. Then he signs a agreement with the Tamils
    ———————————–
    egg on their face.

    Ah, DBSJ the one everybody was waiting for. Good for you to have brought this up before anybody else. Jayewewa.

    DBSJ, as usual the photos are superb. Mahinda and nirupama look like they are reluctant to let go of each others hands. Can you use your long antenna from canada to see whether a romance is brewing. The smiles say it all. An electric current is passing through their hands into their brain. THey are transfixed unable to take their eyes off each other.

    DBSJ RESONDS:

    Shankar,not everyone understands your rare sense of humour

  53. rama says:

    hello DBJ,

    I highly appreciate you for this article. you reflect the reality and express your views politely and frankly. this is great.
    some time you looks good

  54. Theesan says:

    Since 1956, thousands of lives have been lost due to various conflicts and riots in Sri Lanka. Thousands of lives have been lost when the Sinhalese youth rose in revolt in 1971 and 1987. Thousands of lives have been lost by both Sinhalese and Tamils in the bloody carnage of 33 years of armed conflict in the North and East. Unfortunately, the myopic governments of Sri Lanka dominated by demagogues and bigots and other sundry idiots and morons neither learned nor understood the cause of the conflicts that erupted in the South and in the North?

    President Mahinda Rajapakse is the most powerful out of all the leaders we had in Sri Lanka since independence and he is the only person who can put our country in the right direction. He is the best leader who should be able to get rid of the discriminatory acts and grievances that affect all the communities. When this is done, greater harmony will prevail and those who are now compelled to be silent will no longer let their grievances fester.

    The most important Presidential Initiative should be the creation of a fully co-equal citizenship for all born on the soil of the Motherland Sri Lanka and who wish to be its citizens. All legislation (and amendments thereof) passed since 1948 which were or are discriminatory in any way or manner should be rendered null and void and taken off the statute books—permanently. Everyone who lives in Sri Lanka should feel that he/she is a fully coequal citizen empowered by rights and duties and responsibilities. The sense of ‘identity’ and ‘belonging’ is important to all human beings irrespective of race or colour, religion or lack of belief, caste or class, Mother Tongue, or gender. When one does not feel less than any other and the victim syndrome is erased, the full potential of our people will begin to emerge and the vision that we can create a new Sri Lanka, risen, phoenix-like from the ashes of bitter conflict, would be realised. Truly, we’ll not only become the ‘hub’ of Asia but also the beacon—a light shining upon a hill shedding abroad its rays to light the way for others to follow!

  55. Godzilla says:

    The recent Terrorist antics of the British Tamil Diaspora and their GTF allies has changed the President’s tact too.

    Now on he will not tolerate any one who has any connections to them.

    He made this abundantly clear in his speech at the Parliament.

    TNA has to openly show that they have no connections to the Diaspora Tiger remnants.

    This must come in word as well as in deed.

    After all TNA was elected by Tamils in Srilanka.It is their duty to serve the people living there.

    If they make their intentions clear to the rest of the population and act accordingly there wouldn’t be any problem, working with the Government for the benefit of the Tamil people living there.

    If they try to play politics like in the past and use the Government to look after their own agenda and please the outsiders, it will be a problem.

  56. shankar says:

    I’am wondering whether it is mahinda who is putting sampanthan into hospital. Everytime sampanthan meets mahinda he lands into that chennai hospital. Payback time for supporting his arch enemy fonseka?

    Shankar, Your humour may be misunderstood………….DBSJ

  57. Gaja says:

    Tamils may try to lionise Chelvanayakam but he is the grandfather of Tamil separatism in Sri Lanka. He is the original instigator, the one who led the Tamils down the path of confrontation and racism. A man who wasn’t even born in Sri Lanka.

  58. s.santhiramoulesan says:

    THIS IS ANOTHER PLOY BY GOSL.
    MR will not implement this ,

    The Indo –Lanka accord of 1987, The Mangala Moonesinghe Select Committee report of 1993, the Constitutional Reforms proposals of 1995 and 2000, The inaugural address by President Rajapaksa at the APRC conference, The majority and minority reports of the Experts panel at the APRC and the Preliminary/interim reports of the APRC Chairman “were some of the documents
    whiche were thrown in the BIN.

    this one WILL ALSO GO IN THE BIN , after dragging the discussion another few years. the SINHALA startagey so far is many fold,

    1) pretend as something being done and
    2) divide the tamils

    tamils do not think in advance they do only reactive politics and writtings .
    sinhalese are implementing planned genocidal acts

  59. Jeya Murugan says:

    DBS,
    TNA is live wire for Tamils. TNA could make different by engaging Government diplomaticaly and with tatical moves.

    TNA could sustain the Tamils politics but I am not sure how they would bring on tables the acceptable solutions.

    TNA is playing important role in difficult situation, TNA is face of voiceless people of Tamils.

    TNA is a player who can propose the political solution on NE merger, Resettlement, more power for 13 th amendment. even they can go and bagain more to keep Tamils aspiration alive.

    TNA is to be preserved for continuous , nonviolent strugggle to attain our existence .

    Diaspora and others , they may have different political agenda or views, but , They can not move with out TNA.

    Now , it is time for TNA , if TNA gives hopes that would be their good investment, if not TNA will be in history books.

  60. Nish Pitigala Los Angeles says:

    Oxford Episode is another HUGE indication and an opportunity that the Govt should seize to engage with the Tamils in N&E that Sinhalese and the GoSL is sincere and forthcoming when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of Tamil People.

    Most of Sinhalese and the Govt claim that they do not have a problem with the comman tamils, therefore NOW is the time to come to the table and put the words into action, take the wallets out fellas the Sinahlese and the Tamil diaspora!

    At the same time TNA MUST get rid of their black and yellow stripped jackets and come clean as they claim to be representing the tamil people. if not we will have to round u guys up take you to the dehiwela zoo!

    Im not too sure about the feature that provincies are able to GET LOANS FROM ABROAD DIRECTLY??!! this seems not right! safety and sovereignty of the country may be at risk! what if the borrower defaults on the loan?? wanni gets a loan from the tamil nadu businessman and defaults on the loan, the tamil nadu businessman can claim a piece of wanni??!! Im not down with this Mr DBS, What do u think?

  61. Nish Pitigala Los Angeles says:

    Best wishes and speedy recovery for Mr Sampanthan!!!

  62. Leela says:

    We have no disagreement with TNA or any other party that demand all displaced persons to be rehabilitated and resettled also with any one that demand reconstruction, development, etc in the north.

    But we cannot say the same thing about the detained LTTE cadres. True, true, they too must be rehabilitated and integrated into our society. But it must be done with extreme care. Why? Because: those LTTE cadres were brainwashed to fight for Eelam. They were brain washed by Wadukkodai resolution that urged Tamil youth to take up arms and not to lay it down until Eelam is won. That is our concern.

    Now, political leaders that enjoined to pass that Wadukkodai resolution were elected by Northern Tamils at the last election. We do not know whether they were elected with the same premises or new ones. For one thing, there is no proof that they have given up vows they undertook at Wadukkodai. Indeed we hear they have made new roadmaps to Eelam with their buddies in the Tamil diaspora. President Rajapakse should be careful with these tiger tails.

    Tamils are the majority in the North by far. With just Thesawalamai, they kept others out. If 13A is granted in full with police and land powers they would keep others out for good. They would retain the North as a homogeneous Tamil province forever. Is that a grievance to be fulfilled? Now don’t call me a racist for high lighting it; we read enough of such Tamil desire from various comments.

    Reading your article any one would think Sambandan is the leader of all Tamils. True, Sambandans talk and act as if Tamils mean Tamils of the north. But we know that majority of Tamils in Sri Lanka live outside the North. How could they benefit from 13A granted in full to North? That is the crux of the matter.

    Sinhalese didn’t ask 13A. It was rammed down their throat. Not just LTTE but ordinary Tamils of the North and East also rejected it. Estate Tamils and Muslims played no part in it. Had Tamil of the north and east supported 13A, IPKF would have defeated LTTE a long way back. And all this futile but alleged civilian deaths could have been avoided.

    13A is a real white elephant to say the least. Besides, if granted in full, it would lead to bigger problems between our Provincial Councils than Indian states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu had over Cauvery river water.

    However I agree with you one hundred percent when you said; politics is the art of the possible! Otherwise, how would Indian born late minister Thondaman workout settlements with various governments for setbacks of ‘estate Tamils’? He didn’t ask 13A or separate state or resorted to terrorism to get what he wanted. He joined practically every government to work his way. If Thondaman could meet need of his people through dialogue, there is no reason why Tamils of the North couldn’t have done the same.

    We have seen Sambandans inciting Tamil youth for Eelam with Wadukodai resolutions. We have seen them supporting LTTE to get Eelam. When ‘son goat’ was gone, we have noticed they connive with western governments to degrade our country. They must prove to us that they have changed and they are now like Thondaman. Or Tamils of the North should elect leaders in the calibre of Thonderman.
    That’s the only way forward.
    Leela

  63. Dr.Rajasingham narendran says:

    President Rajapakse is quoted in the Daily Mirror of even date as saying, “speaking on a different subject the President said that he intended to explain his political solution in his address to the Oxford Union.

    “We have paid attention to a political solution that empowers the economy and people at village level. Terrorists’ strategy was to prevent us from informing our stand to the world. They wanted to distract the attention of the country which now enjoys peace to a different direction”.

    We have missed an opportunity to listen to details of what Mahinda Rajapakse wanted to say about political solutions at the Oxford Union and question him in depth. However, the sooner the President clarifies his policies in this regards, the better it would be for every one.

    From the heights of the dream for an independent Tamil Eelam peddled by the TULF, TNA, LTTE and other Tamil militant groups, it appears we have to accept and live with the concept of ‘Grama Rajyas’! Is the president planning to discuss the details and contours of the contemplated village empowerment with the TNA and Mr.Sambanthan?

    Interesting times!

    -Dr.R.Narendran-

  64. mahendra says:

    Now is the time to resolve this. Its actually now or never situation and both parties shouldd understand the problem well and arrive at reasonable solution enabling all etenic groups to live in peace

  65. Dr.Rajasingham narendran says:

    I append here relevant passages from ‘Mahinda Chintanaya’ to facilitate a meaningful discussion on the ‘Grama Rajya’ being proposed and some other related issues :

    A Unitary state, not to be divided

    A United Motherland – A Nation with one vision

    As in the Eastern Province, Provincial Council Elections will be held in the Northern Province within a short period of time to establish democracy. Thereby new representatives will be included in the All Party Conference and I believe that this would be a forum to arrive at a true national concurrence.

    One country – One Law

    After several decades, we are now able to function as one country under one law. At this Presidential Election Campaign, I have decided to place my views frankly before the country so that we can engage in an open and intellectual discourse regarding a new Constitution.

    Supremacy to the village – Jana sabha

    In my previous Mahinda Chintana policy statement, I stated that my main expectation is to break the fundamentalist concepts of a traditional homeland and a separate state, and empower the citizens of this country to arrive at a peaceful political solution which would devolve power to all its citizens.

    * In accordance I established ‘Jana Sabhas’ parallel to the ‘Gama Neguma’ program to develop the villages that are the bed rock of provincial governance.

    * Moving on, I will legislate ‘Jana Sabhas’ that will be established in all Grama Niladari Divisions and will be the focal point for local development, co-existence and harmony and social development.

    * I will assign all development activities pertaining to the ‘Gama Neguma’, program including decision making, implementation, operation and maintenance and the prevention of corruption and fraud to the ‘Jana Sabhas’

    From the Jana Sabhawa to the Gam Sabhawa

    I will establish Gam Sabhas comprised of several Jana Sabhas as the first unit of local representation. The villagers will be vested with power to appoint a political representative to the Gam Sabha. Traditionally the Gam Sabhas and the Grama Rajya system were the successful administrative units.

    These were established by King Pandhukabhaya when he initiated a national revival. The ‘Gam Rajya’ and ‘Panchayat” system in Southern India and in some other parts of India, have similar characteristics. The British abolished the ‘Gam Sabha’ system during the colonial era, but later reinstated the system as they too were aware of its success. Our society has changed. Therefore I intend to adapt the ‘Jana Sabha’ and ‘Gam Sabha’ system to suit the modern cities and future society.

    From Gam Sabhas to Pradeshiya Sabhas – Urban Councils

    Prdeshiya Sabhas and Urban Councils comprising of several Gam Sabhas will be the fundamental and strongest unit of national administration. The demarcation of Prdeshiya Sabha and Urban Council limits will be regulated taking into consideration the current population, society, culture and environment.

    New proposals will be executed to amend the electoral process for Pradeshiya Sabhas. The new process will be set up to elect the majority representation from Gam Sabha limits and the minority representation on a proportionate basis. The Prdeshiya Sabha and Urban Council Ordinance will be amended to vest new powers and to ensure mutual coordination.

    Provincial Councils

    After two decades, we now have experience regarding the Provincial Council system. Different opinions and views regarding the relevance or irrelevance and features of the system are discussed. There are those who are in favour of the system and those who are not. However, it is an intrinsic part of the constitution through the 13th amendment and is a functional system. I am in favour of an open discussion on the amendment to the Provincial Council System. This discourse will be the basis for the discussion that I intend to initiate with all political parties and organizations.

    In the past, several proposals have been made regarding Rata Sabhas, District Development Councils, and Regional Councils. These proposals too can be discussed at this forum. What we need is not a divided system but a system that will establish the unitary state. Keeping this in mind, I will open a discussion and arrive at consensus on how to move towards a divisional administration. I will forward a proposal to implement an electoral system for the Provincial Councils that is an admixture of the Pradeshiya Sabha and District proportionate system. I will re-establish the Northern Provincial Council under the 13th amendment with immediate effect.

    I will seek the assistance of the Provincial Councilors of the Northern Province to expedite and strengthen the Uthuru Wasanthaya development program that seeks to upgrade the living standards of the Northern population and ensure sustainable development.

    The Senate

    A senate will be established to facilitate the participation of religious leaders and professionals who are not represented through the electoral process to ensure that the Legislation in parliament and the regulations in the Provincial Councils are subject to meaningful discussion and debate. This Senate will have no impact on the unitary state and the supremacy of parliament.

    Parliament as a State Council

    Parliament is the supreme body that enacts law and the responsibility of state finance is vested in parliament.

    I propose to change the proportionate electoral system, used in electing members to Parliament. This system leaves provision for a privileged few to enter Parliament creating a tendency for corruption and fraud and a disruption of local representation.

    I propose to re-introduce constituencies that cover one or more Divisional Limits.

    I propose to set up a District and National Proportionate System to provide representation for minority political trends and ethnic groups.

    My objective is to establish a stable government; a strong opposition and representation of all minority trends through the above amendment.

    As a result, there will be a member of the Parliament who is responsible for each area and those who do not have wealth or power will have an opportunity to be elected and represent the constituents.

    The power of the President to dissolve Parliament, arbitrarily, after one year will be abolished except in a national exigency, as a mark of respect to the people’s mandate to Parliament.

    The President will participate in parliamentary sessions to establish co-existence between parliament and the president. The powers of the Advisory Committees in all Ministries will be strengthened to ensure that Members of Parliament act transparently in all state financial matters.

    Presidency as a Trusteeship

    I was particularly careful when exercising the powers of the Executive Presidency.

    In the past, the Executive Presidency was used to postpone elections, to topple elected governments, to disrupt the judiciary, to ban political parties, to suppress demonstrations and lead the country towards a violent culture, to sell state institutions at under-valued prices, to defend criminals and to grant concessions to unscrupulous businessmen.

    Agreements that betrayed the country were entered into using the powers of the Executive Presidency.

    I used such powers to unite the country. An open discussion on the Executive Presidency will be held with all parties.

    The Executive Presidency will be converted into a Trusteeship which honours the mandate given to Parliament by being accountable to parliament, establishes equality before the law, is accountable to the judiciary and enacts laws that are accountable to the judiciary, and is not in conflict with the judiciary.

    A Non- aligned foreign policy

    I will continue Sri Lanka’s non-aligned foreign policy. During the past four years we witnessed the benefits of maintaining friendly relations with India, Japan, China, Pakistan and other Asian countries. I am committed to continue these friendly relations in the political, economic, defence, trade and cultural arena.

    I will ensure that Sri Lanka abides by the global treaties and agreements on environmental and climate change and will strengthen Sri Lanka’s ties with the UN Agencies. I will maintain the dignity of my country in foreign relations and will initiate a new program to forge relations with countries.

    Shared values, rapid development and lasting peace

    A New Path for National Cohabitation

    I stated the following in presenting the Mahinda Chintana at the Presidential Elections in 2005. ‘I am determined to think afresh and to find a new solution to the crisis in the North and the East. Having considered all the pros and cons of the steps taken in the past on this issue, I would like to consider ‘an undivided state, honorable peace and a majority consensus.

    Following the above policies, as soon as I was elected to the Presidency, I convened an all party conference of democratic parties to which I stated my expectation in terms of Mahinda Chintana. I even engaged in a discussion with the LTTE on the Ceasefire Agreement which was a threat to national security, the pride and sovereignty of the country. The response of the LTTE was to use the non confrontational discussions to strengthen their war effort as done before. The terrorist attack that was launched from the Mavil Aru prompted us to launch a humanitarian operation to achieve an honourable peace.

    Our forces gained victory after victory by launching attacks by air, sea and land and were able to unite this country with the determination of an undivided country and honourable peace. While the humanitarian operations were in progress, I also introduced a new national political-military strategy. This was based on disarmament, democratization and development. Democracy was restored in all areas liberated from terrorism by holding Local government elections.

    The Internally Displaced was resettled much faster than in any other country. In addition the ‘Negenahira Navodaya’ or the ‘Eastern Revival’ and the ‘Uthuru Wasanthaya’ or the ‘Northern Spring’, development programs launched an unprecedented development in the North and the East. The All Party Conference continued simultaneously and through it’s Representative Committee critical political issues were subject open discussion.

    Rather than imposing a solution from above, I have sought to arrive at a solution through discussion and dialogue with political parties, civil society organizations and the people themselves. It is extremely difficult to arrive at consensus in a conflict rife with disillusionment, divisions, individual views and blood shed. However we have already laid the foundation to achieve consensus. While I agree that everyone has the right to his or her opinion it is my contention that we need to arrive at consensus on the facts.

    It is this wide national consensus that is required for national cohabitation.

    Our soldiers did not unite only our country but they also united the expectations of all ethnic groups. I therefore firmly believe that we could engage in open discussion and reach consensus without the fear of guns. Especially the people in the North and the East who are resettled and are no longer living in fear will have the opportunity to elect their own representatives.

    Eastern Revival (Negenahira Navodaya)

    The battle that changed the history of this country after independence began with the closure of the Mavil Aru Dam, regaining it and handing it over to the public. It is with much pleasure that I state that the Eastern revival program which commenced with the liberation of Thoppigala in July 2007, has resulted in the liberation of the entire Eastern Province and its unprecedented development since.

    * All the main roads in the Trincomalee, Batticaloa and Ampara Districts have been widened and developed. After liberating the East, the roads leading from Karaitivu and Potuvil to Siyabalanduwa through Moneragala have been developed ensuring a rapid economic and social connectivity to the Ampara District and the Southern, Sabaragamuwa and Uva Provinces.

    * The Eastern coastal route from Panama to Pulmudai, and the Kantale Seruwila road is under construction at a rapid phase. The remaining roads in the Eastern Province will be completed during the next two years, connecting to other parts of the country linking the province economically, socially and politically to the rest of the country.

    * To expedite the transport service to Colombo and the North Central Province from Batticoloa, the road from Maradankadawala – Polonnaruwa, Thirukkondiyamadu has been already constructed. The Erakkandi Bridge in the Trincomalee District has been already commissioned and construction of all other bridges has been completed including the Yan Oya bridge.

    * The “Arugambe bridge ” in the Ampara District has already been commissioned and the Oddimavadi and new Kalladi bridges have been already handed over to the public. In order to ensure safe drinking water supply, 59 water projects have been commissioned and the construction of twelve tanks is already underway.

    * 164 New buildings have been constructed while 327 schools have been renovated. All schools will be equipped with modern facilities including Science and Computer laboratories.

    * In order to develop the health sector, 55 new wards were built in the hospitals and 445 new doctors were recruited.

    * To upgrade livelihoods, 80,000 acres of paddy fields were cultivated and 2500 home gardens and 19 fruit villages were established. In the future, I will enhance such efforts to upgrade livelihoods and will introduce a new market system for produce.

    * In order to improve the dairy industry, 3 new modern farms have been built and 50 dairy villages were organized. Owners were found for about 85,000 stray cattle. I will give more facilities to these villagers and loan facilities to improve the future of such farmers. My objective is to develop these areas and ensure that the benefits of development accrue to the people.

    * An Export Processing Zone will be set up.

    * I will ensure that 100,000 acres of paddy land will be newly cultivated and 5,000 home gardens and 100 fruit villages are established.

    * In order to develop the dairy industry, 3 model dairy farms are already built and 100 dairy farm villages, will be established in the near future.

    Northern Spring (Uthuru Wasanthaya)

    My government and I are fully aware that it is the Tamils and Muslims who lived in the Northern and Eastern Provinces were the most affected by the conflict that lasted for 30 years. However, now there is sustainable peace and this is what the people of the north and east expected and so did the rest of the country.

    I am aware that there are wives who have lost their husbands; parents who have lost their children; children who have lost their parents. There are disabled people and displaced people who lost their property. Therefore even before ending the war, infrastructure facilities and livelihood opportunities were provided for those living in the eastern province under the Eastern Revival program.

    It is my focused resolution to provide all these benefits to the people of the North, under the Northern Spring program. Therefore a large scale development program that encompasses economic and infrastructure development is already underway under the Northern Spring program.

    * All restrictions hindering the free movement of the people in the Northern Province will be removed.

    * Given the security risks the high security zones will be gradually phased out.

    * Facilities will be provided through “Sathosa” to transport all agricultural produce cultivated in the North, including onions and chilies, to various Economic Centers of the country

    * The Maddavachchia- Mannar Road, the Jaffna – Point Pedro Road, the Jaffna – Karihinagar road through Minipe, Murukkan, the Shilawatura road, the Oddusuda Nadunkarni road and the Vavuniya Horowpathana road will be widened and developed.

    * I will develop the Jaffna Kandy road (A9). The Jaffna-Puttlam road will be developed into a highway.

    * I will build the ‘Sangupita bridge’ and will connect the Jaffna Peninsula to Puttalam and Mannar. I will develop each island in Jaffna and will build a network of roads to connect them to the Jaffna peninsula.

    * The Jaffna Teaching Hospital will be modernized completely. Simultaneously, all hospitals in Killinochchi, Mullative and Mankulam including hospitals in all towns will be developed.

    * The ‘DoraiAppa’ ground will be modernized.

    * Mankulam will be developed as a symbol of ‘Independence’ and will be handed over to the public in the month of March 2010.

    * Hostel facilities at the Jaffna University and the Technical colleges will be expanded.

    * Two paddy processing plants with modern technology will be established for value added production for the benefit of paddy farmers.

    * An agriculture faculty will be established in Kilinochchi as an impetus for agriculture development in the Northern Province.

    * A Water Supply Project for the Jaffna peninsular will commence in March 2010.

    * In 2011 the Talaimannar, Madavachchia Rail track will be completed.

    * By the year 2012, the Jaffna city will be made the one of the most outstanding cities in South Asia.

    * Armed combatants will be rehabilitated in keeping with their own social and cultural identity and will be handed over to their parents.

    Resettlement of the displaced in the North and the East in their own villages

    Under the Uthuru Wasanthaya programme, the internally displaced living in welfare camps in Vavuniya are being resettled. All those from Vavuniya, Mannar and Jaffna and part of Mulativu and Killinochchi are already resettled. The remainder from Mulativu and Killinochchi Districts will be resettled systematically without delay, based on the speed at which the de-mining process takes place.

    A comprehensive project will be implemented to resettle the Muslim persons forcibly evicted by the LTTE from the Northern Province during 1990, in their respective places of origin with due attention being paid to their housing, livelihood and infrastructure facilities.

    Housing

    * Each family that is resettled will be provided with Rs. 50,000 to construct temporary shelter and additional building materials worth Rs. 50,000.

    * On a long term basis, Rs. 325,000 will be provided to each family to reconstruct houses destroyed in the war.

    * Rs. 100,000 will be provided to families for the renovation of houses.

    * Assistance will be provided to every household to construct latrines.

    Agricultural Incentives

    * All families engaged in agrarian activities will be provided with agriculture equipment.

    * All families engaged in agrarian activities will be provided with seeds and fertilizer relevant to the crops cultivated by them.

    * All Farmer Organizations will be provided with a Water Pump and a tractor free of charge.

    Fishing Industry

    * All fishermen will be provided with fishing equipment.

    * Two fish processing centers will be established in Mannar and Jaffna.

    Animal Husbandry

    * Equipment and chicks will be provided for the poultry industry.

    * Villages for dairy farmers will be established to promote the dairy industry.

    * Those who wish to engage in self-employment will be provided with the necessary equipment free of charge.

    * As the mother tongue reflects ones national identity and aspirations for innovation and creativity, the language of education should be the mother tongue. I will ensure that every person has the right to pursue education from the primary level to a degree in his or her mother tongue.

    Language skills should be accessible to all. In order to Proficiency in the English language is an essential achieve this objective more attractive and effective Language Teaching Centers equipped with modern technology will be introduced.

    * Language laboratories equipped with all modern state of the art facilities will be set up in all Universities and Higher Educational Institutions. I will ensure that all graduates acquire proficiency in the English language within three years.

    * Every education division will be equipped with one such state of the art Language laboratory. Such laboratories will provide opportunities to learn not only the English language but also Sinhala, Tamil and other languages.

    * To ensure equity in access to education I will deploy teachers to teach the three main subjects of English, Mathematics and Science within the next two years. I will ensure that all such teachers are trained and equipped with the modern methodologies in teaching.

    * Steps will be taken to develop and introduce special teaching and supervision methodologies to assist students who fail all subjects, as a result of a lacuna in the education environment and in the environment at home.

    * I will establish schools equipped with all facilities such as science laboratories, and libraries for students in threatened villages and in the plantation sector.

    * Immediate action will be taken to provide teacher training for 1,000 young men and women in the plantation sector who have the required qualifications to teach subjects such as Science and Mathematics in the Tamil medium.

    * An accelerated school development project to enhance the education in the areas that were under the threat of the war in the North and East will be implemented.

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

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  66. Dr Dayan Jayatilleka says:

    What a scoop! Another superb piece of journalism by DBSJ.

    Thanks Dayan………..DBSJ

  67. Samuel says:

    If Mahinda R is sincere about a settlement of tamils’ problems, he can show this by ensuring immediate measures to alleviate their misery in the north and east..
    These could be:-
    Appoint a non military man as governer of the northeast province.
    Abolish the “high security zones” as far as possible.
    Disarm all armed paramilitaries.
    Discontinue arrests and detention of tamils on the excuse of “past association” with LTTE.
    Allow tamils to fully resume their normal livelihoods like fishing, farming, business, without any restrictions on the lame excuse of “security”.
    Allow all tamils to resume their lives in their homes from which they have been uprooted.
    Withdraw the military except for a token presence the northeast.

    These measures do not need finances and should allow tamils to resume their lives in a climate of normality.

    Political settlement will necessarily take time, and may be even be scuttled by the Maha Sangha – as has happened before – and by sinhala hard liners, which too has happened before.

  68. xsrilankan says:

    Lets hope something substantial happens. if some concrete progress can be shown, then diaspora will calm down, If nothing happens it will only add fuel to the fire.

  69. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Don (#47) You ask the most fundamental question that may define the terriorial integrity of the country in the future – one that has not been addressed by the few political leaders of rational thinking in recent times.

    When the Uncle Nephew hullabaloo in the 1948 Cabinet apparently but surreptitiously decided on a post DS
    successor – with Soulbury being part of the conspiracy – the more deserving SWRD was left out. He felt cheated. He knew, if I am to use Dr Lee Kuan Yew’s phrase “letting the racial genie out of the lamp” this can result in catastrophe and disaster, Yet he found no other platform to lay his claim to leadership with the now growing political-conscious Buddhist Sinhala electorate. The latter was beginning to realise the historical injustice done to her religion, her culture in 450 years of colonial rule. A change was inevitable. The man who preached Federalism to the Tamils of the North-East, to the Kandyans in 1926 (? and the Low Country Sinhalese as the only way to peace and unity after Independence was certain in his mind mayhem
    and bloodshed will follow. But the learned man he was he knew gaining the Apparatus of Political Power means a great deal and probably planned to provide justice to Tamils after he came to power. In fairness to him, he did – vide the Reasonable Use of Tamil Act and other. But he miscalculated – as did Napoleon, Adolf Hitler and evenRohana Wijeweera. The very sources that took him to the pinnacle of political power were to destroy him – yet anothering intellectual treasure of the land tha fell to the sword of an emerging and dangerous political culture. .

    Thanthai Chelva was a man of peace to his very bone. He would not tolerate others for speaking of a Separate State that came by as a result of anti-Tamil horrors of the time. He preached to the Tamils in the 1950/60s against
    Separatism and even went to the people against this. When Tamils were ousted from positions of influence in the Cabinet till 1965; setting up of army camps in the North on the ill-advise of Udugama, NQ Dias and others, targetting the Tamil language (1974 Int’l Tamil Conference) the incarcertaion of Tamil leaders, including SJVC under House Arrest – were all inflaming the articulate Tamil youth.
    Standardisation, originally aimed at reducing, the entry of Tamils into Varsity careers (since set somewhat right)
    contributed to SJVCs exasperation. Please remember, even during and after Vaddukottai 76 Tamils leaders always talked of being all too willing to consider “a viable alternative” but this was never taken seriously – until it was too late. The Sinhala political leadership – divided almost equally between the SLFP and UNP since then – and, in the absence of any other alternative to harvest a sufficient number of votes to form governments, found the Tamil Question a heaven sent blessing. Even Sir John. eventually,
    in 1956 fell prey to this virus that has begun to contaminate
    reason, justice and fair play since then. Admittedly, there is fresh thinking even among ordinary Sinalese on the Tamil Question now.

    What we now find ourselves in, dear friend, is a Deja Vu of the 1950s. Now President Rajapakse’s family has no other excuse to delay a Solution. “Federalism” “District Councils”
    “Separatism” “LTTE and Velupillai Prabakaran” have all lost their sting in the Sinhala electorate. The latest discovery that has also given birth to a new Sinhala word “Dias-porawa” might engage a somewhat still-birth now that people like you have begun to enquire what went wrong. That is the way out, my friend.

    Please also note thinking in the diaspora is as divided as that in the Tamils within Sri Lanka. There is nothing wrong in this because we are still a form of weak democracy. But the diaspora must articulate their feelings without scaring or hurting the Sinhala physche. Many tell me if the LTTE flag was absent in the London demonstrations there would have been more Tamils attending there and perhaps more sympathy with the Tamil cause. What this event will now do is harm the Tamils in that the Govt will use this as a tool to keep the Emgergency Regulations going. The Defence Secretary has already given indications to this.
    Not that there are no faults on the Tamil side in the creation of this Joint Venture of a combined monster that has devoured our common land. As I see it, unless the Rajapakses gather up their nerves we are in for a long, hot summer – again. I am just an observer. There are many eminent contemporary historians among us, in the different communities, who may have a better study, understanding and appreciation of what brought us down. The question is do we have those among us who can take us back to our
    earlier heights and racial equilibrium? That is the question.

    ISS

  70. Mahesh says:

    This may also be the last chance for the Sinhalese people and their leaders to prove to the world that they believe in some political solution.

    If they fail in this the results could be… very bad, to put it mildly.

    I wish them well.

    No back tracking and no way this is put into the dust bin.

  71. Thiruchelvam says:

    I am closely watching MR, Tamil Tigers politically helped him other than else to become President of SriLanka (By boycotting Ranil), even VP once suggest after the election “he seems to more practical than others, we will give some time to him for resolving the national problem” Also MR invited them to involve in politics and renounce violent arm struggle.

    Unfortunately both not happened and resulted over 30,000 killed in the final battle.As you mention in this article now MR and TNA not only in the position to stop further violent and consequence from whatever happened from the past but also finding the right political solution to share the power with North East Tamils. As only two main language in the country, we can easily rich a ‘home grown’ solution under one state and two Grate Nations(Including one Tamil Parliament to look after their internal affairs in Tamil) unlike Swiss , Canada or UK Models.

    We are living in 21st century where the countries are joint Unions and United States for go advance in this globalize economical age. So, Time for Tamils and Sinhalese to believe on each others and supporting to find a political solution for joint Mechanism.
    MR is elected second time with majority in the parliament, he has a chance to proof he is not like other leaders and he can go beyond the 13th amendments as he said earlier and VP suggest. We all Srilankans looking for a day MR arrives London where Lion Flags and Tiger Flags together welcoming him rather demand to arrest him.

  72. sen says:

    28. Kalu Albert ,

    “The Government’s only need of the TNA is to help convince the brain washed Western leaders who are still running behind the Diaspora to destroy” – Meaning to wade off warcrime prosecution! untill MR is out of the woods he will talk to TNA. Just like another APRC.!

  73. miliband says:

    “Justice is an indispensable ingredient of the process of national reconciliation. It is essential to the restoration of peaceful and normal relations between people who have lived under a reign of terror.

    It breaks the cycle of violence, hatred and extra-judicial retribution. Thus peace and justice go hand in hand.”

  74. Visakha says:

    Dear Mr.Jeyaraj

    You have given us some positive news about govt-tamil dialogue

    I dont trust the TNA but will hope otimistically that they are genuine now

    I hope they will negotiate and find a solution to the not yet resolved problems facing Tamil people still

  75. Saman says:

    The Sri Lankan government must be aware of Tamil perfidy when it engages with the TNA on a political solution. Since independence Tamils have tried desperately to dominate the country, and failing that, steal away a sizeable portion of the country to create a Tamil-only bantustan called “Tamil Eelam.” Giving away land and police powers to a community that has been driven by hatred and racism towards Sri Lanka and the Sinhalese for over half century would be a dangerous thing to do. The north and the east must never be merged.

  76. Palan says:

    These Joint Committees are waste of time and a diversion.
    The ‘Representatives’ seem to be doing fine without bringing the issues to a ‘boiling point’, and they should continue.

  77. wije says:

    Dear DBS,

    Like some others here I have a better understanding of your recent positive tone regarding Mahinda after reading this article. Your optimism is appreciated but I would like to advise caution wrt your expectations.

    Mahinda is Expert when it comes to raising expectations only to drop you when you are of no further use. He may cooperate with TNA for reconstruction (your #1 priority) because most Sinhalese support that but he will neglect your 2nd priority of “political solution” because he shares the same mindset of most Sinhalese that devolution will not improve SL and will not win Tamil support. We can debate whether or not this mindset is justified but bottom line is that Mahinda has it in his head.

    A number of Tamil friends a few years ago had optimism that JVP would support Anandasangaree’s appeal for federalism. His appeal was so articulate and sincere that it was inconceivable for JVP to leave him in the dust, yet that is exactly what JVP did. It was not because JVP was anti-Sangaree but because most Sinhalese distrust devolution. Unfortunately they are also extremely inarticulate when it comes to explaining this distrust, as proven with JVP’s response to Sangaree. However Dr Noel Nadesan seems to have a very good grasp on this Sinhala mentality,

    My guess is that Mahinda will drag political solution until Mr Sampanthan passes away. It is partially opportunism but it is also pragmatic thinking as Sampanthan may agree to a “solution” that his successors may not support after he passes on.

  78. ardneham says:

    Politics is a dirty game and more so in silly Lanka. No one
    can predict whether the 2/3 majority will hold – with ministers
    & wives dashing coconuts – with MR talking with TNA in his
    fashion. We know his utterances from time to time – nothing
    substantially positive in the 18 months – even to satisfy India.
    The history of fallen pacts of the past can be repeated,
    even with an iron-hand of this Regime.

    Time-play with “war Crime charges” (on his family) and a powerful diaspora with all democratic instruments in their hands, in the scene will make MR to prolong issues, till some light at the tunnel-end is visible on related matter to his holding power irrevocably.

    A master at deception will not make up for a Statesman is one conclusion.. A line-up of failed States can grow, as much as Super-power states can be replaced with time…..

  79. Deepal says:

    I am happy that some forward movement on talks is there but doubtful of successful outcome

  80. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    We are pleased to note Leela (#62) once more invoking the name of the late Thondaman as some form of ideal Tamil leader whom the Sinhala mass would go along with. But the fact is when Mr Thondaman was alive and from the mid-1980s until he died 20 years later, he was the favourite whipping boy of the Sinhala exremists and their media supporters as one totally anathema to the Sinhala nation. Now there is hardly any Sinhala leader of note who does not refer to the late Thonda as that “missed opportunity” factor. The visionary Thonda,, who loved both Sri Lanka and India in equal measure, recognising the gridlock in the mid-90s suggested – now that there is no common meeting ground – it might be worth a try if Prabakaran is allowed to run the NEP for 5 years. The Sinhala chauvinist wing brought the roof down immediately after his comment. Those of us close to him had to carefully guard him 24hrs a day. We even were not sure of some of the Airforce men guarding him. . But later when Chandrika proposed the same idea and increased it to 10 years there was’nt much more than a murmur from the South. So much so for our communal-free politics. It was a further acknowledgement of the political wisdom of Thonda within the 24hrs after he died and his body was brought to Cbo every principal Sinhala town on the way insisted in paying their homage and respects to his cortege – lead, in many cases, by the heirarchy in the area of the Buddhist clergy. There is a Tamil saying”one remembers the indispensable qualities of the Chettiar only after he’s gone” At least to the late leader’s family and those who shared his ideals, this comes as some form of small biscuits.

    ISS

  81. Satyam says:

    DEAR 49. BunkerRat | December 11th, 2010 at 1:01 am,
    Eelam is not equal to decimateing Sinhala race, this feeling is in your psyche it came out of your inferiority mind set of the majority community. because of this majoritarian mahavamsa mind set you planning to decimate Tamils from the Island . Please read what ISS has replied elaquently to Don #69. try to understand rather than behaving like a rabid racist. if not you are supporting VP’s policy.

  82. Satyam says:

    Bunkar rat ,
    We are happy you rabid racists are hiding in the bunker like rats rather than parading like cats or even the big cats.Who ever named you are comendable.

  83. Siva Ganeshalingam says:

    As DBS mentioned, there are spoilers from both sides who are bent on sabotaging the sincere effort by politcal leaders to find meaningful and mutually acceptable solutions to the ethnic problem

    There are many instances in the past where promises were made and accords were signed with fanfare. None of the accords were implemented because of the lack of firm commitment from the leaders. All the past government leaders lacked the necessary backbone to resist the pressure from the trouble makers bent on using the ethnic tension for their own political gains

    Our post colonial history, so far, is a clear example of how democracy could be a curse in the hands of leaders hell bent on twisting the democratic principles to suit their needs. The country could have been better off if one party had the overwhelming support of the masses. Unfortunately, both major parties had almost equal support for many years. Their winning strategy in any particular election was solely on the basis of who is more vicious in attacking Tamils, instilling fears on the Sinhala masses that Tamils are going to take over the whole country

    The ground situation is different now. Mahinda’s popularity rose to an unprescedented level and the recent elections clearly showed that the famous Uncle-Nephews-Party has become a spent force, overtaken by the overwhelming power of Mahinda-Siblings-Party. Sri-Lanka is going to be a one party state for a long time. I personally think that Sri-Lankan Tamils should stop crying for the loss of so called democracy. Democracy, so far has never worked for us. Every law, the government passed removing the rights of Tamils was democratically done in the parliament.

    Mahinda is now in a position to address the ethnic problem without having to worry about winning the next election. The Sinhala masses are not going to desert him in the near future and he will win any election as long as he is willing to contest.

    As a savvy politician, Mahinda will like to add to his legacy as a leader who not only won the war but also solved the ethnic problem by restoring the rights of Tamils to live as equal citizens in the country. But whether he has the backbone to withstand the pressure of spoilers is yet to be seen.

    Some of the spoilers are already at work. I just read a piece as a comment on this article by somebody called Bunker Rat (wonder why people are afraid to use their own name), trying to distort history, cherry picking events that suit his diabolical way of thinking.

    Terrorism in this modern world depends on who defines it. As Peter Ustinov aptly put it “Terrorism is the war of the poor and war is the terrorism of the rich”. Tamil people did not create the so called terrorists. Successive Sinhala political leaders created them by their continuous cruel actions against Tamils in various forms. Some Tamils reluctantly supported them because they did not have any alternative in places where they were living.

  84. Satyam says:

    Dbsj,
    Let us hope this new MR-TNA initiative does not get miscarried like B-C pact,Dudly -Chelva pact, Thimpu,Indian 1987, PToms, ISGA,APRC etc. Past experiences does not give good omen.

  85. Saman says:

    The website of the Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission is now open:

    http://www.llrc.lk

    One can read many of the submissions on the website.

  86. Bala.M says:

    Superb photos. I remember the photo with three leaders (SJVC, GG and THIRU) in a Leela calender.

    One day we, few youths, in our teen ages had a chat with the Late Alalasundaram in a rest house after he lost an election in Kilinochichi. He was in a jolly mood and we poked him “Annay, what happened to Tamil Ealam resolution? He retorted back “Name a single TULF MP who believes in Tamil Ealam?…….. It was just an election ploy. To win the election TULF just brought that Idea”.

    I don’t know weather SJVC also had the same idea when he brought the vaddukoddai resolution. Could be SJVC brought the Vaddukoddai resolution to use it as a bargaining tool with Sinhala leaders. But the genie they had brought out still haunting us.

  87. Satyam says:

    Leela,

    You were braine washed by the SL intelegent agents and had been paraded in this blog . Obversley you have been talking always of braine washing etc re Vaddukotai resolotion etc.It was a resolution taken at a party convension by a democratic party in a democratic country. And put on an election in your so called Semocratic country and Tamils have voted in favour of it for more than 2/3(over 80%) majority in north and east . But it may be not agreeable to your rabid racist thinging and mind. And Tamil diaspora had done another democratic memorandom and overwelmingly Tamil diaspor voters voted fot it.

  88. Satyam says:

    Leela

    Sinhalese didn’t ask 13A. It was rammed down their throat. In the same way Tamils did not ask or voter for 1972 constitution and your Sinhalal Government rammed in to their throat. Now you are trying to ramme Mahinda chindanava in to Tamil’s throat why? Did they ask? Don’t behave like a rabid racist .

  89. j.muthu says:

    Dear DBSJ,
    Thankyou, do you really beleive this sinhala ruthless evils come for a any meaningful solution. we will have to dream. Hope one day our people live in our land without fear any evils.

  90. raj says:

    Sri Lanka government should clear all accusation of war crimes through an international war crimes inquirety before engaging in finding a political solution. If the government did not do any war crimes, then it is free to engage in a dialog to find a political solution If not, it is not good for the TNA to negotiate to find a political solution because it can only help the government to boost its image in the internationally.

  91. Thiruchelvam says:

    #75- Saman- “Since independence Tamils have tried desperately to dominate the country” I want to correct this;
    Tamils only started after 1956 Bandaranayaka passed Sinhala Only Act and discriminate Tamils for his petty political gains. Even Tamils tried through ‘Sathyakraka’ non-violence method and their political representative “Federal Party” to protect them shelves not to dominate. Historically before the independence when Sinhala – Muslim riots happened from Sir Pon Iramanathan to until VP fight against the Indian Army occupation in Srillankan soil 1987 Tamils contribute the Island of Srilanka rather Dominate. Note First political violent started by when “Piku” shot Bandaranayaka and
    first Riots Sinhala- Muslim in 1920′s.All this Sinhala Politicians behind the game for their party politics as everyone knows.

    After all going through this you are saying “failing that, steal away a sizeable portion of the country to create a Tamil-only bantustan called “Tamil Eelam – But reality
    is they haven’t failed once again they have proved they can well control their Area and exercised their Police power and Land power already.

    Please do not comments destructive like this (tamils) “driven by hatred and racism towards Sri Lanka and the Sinhalese for over half century would be a dangerous” This can be applicable in other way as well,
    Driven by Genocide and State Terrorism for over half century would be a dangerous to giving power to Srilankan Authorities and Sinhalese to rule Tamils and
    their historical homeland (whatever” court order” you issue never demerge Tamils Minds)

    But until the last minute rather declaring a separate independent state VP put forward a self governing system. If you really want to win tamils minds and to do
    real lessons learnt and reconciliation please read the following link.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3232913.stm

  92. Thiruchelvam says:

    (Sorry DBSJ, there is some correction)

    #75- Saman- “Since independence Tamils have tried desperately to dominate the country” I want to correct this;
    Tamils only started after 1956 Bandaranayaka passed Sinhala Only Act and discriminate Tamils for his petty political gains. Even Tamils tried through ‘Sathyakraka’ non-violence method and their political representative “Federal Party” to protect them shelves not to dominate. Historically before the independence when Sinhala – Muslim riots happened from Sir Pon Iramanathan to until VP fight against the Indian Army occupation in Srillankan soil 1987 Tamils contribute the Island of Srilanka rather Dominate. Note First political violent started by when “Piku” shot Bandaranayaka and
    first Riot was Sinhala- Muslim in 1920’s.All this Sinhala Politicians behind the game for their party politics as everyone knows.

    After all going through this you are saying “failing that, steal away a sizeable portion of the country to create a Tamil-only bantustan called “Tamil Eelam – But reality
    is they haven’t failed once again they have proved they can well control their Area and exercised their Police power and Land power already.

    Please do not comments destructive like this (tamils) “driven by hatred and racism towards Sri Lanka and the Sinhalese for over half century would be a dangerous” This can be applicable in other way as well,
    Driven by Genocide and State Terrorism for over half century would be a dangerous to giving power to Srilankan Authorities and Sinhalese to rule Tamils and
    their historical homeland (whatever” court order” you issue never demerge Tamils Minds)

    But until the last minute rather declaring a separate independent state VP put forward a self governing system. If you really want to win tamils minds and to do
    real lessons learnt and reconciliation please read the following link.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3232913.stm

    This is is very very important time to decide Deal or no Deal ?

  93. M. Pereira says:

    I think people who have commented negatively here are living in a dream world.The Tamil diaspora in UK,US,Canada ,Norway,Australia are only prolonging Peace in Sri Lanka by engaging in ant-MR tactics, which must Fail to have lasting peace and unity in Sri Lanka.

  94. Govirala says:

    Comment 62— Leela raises some pertinent and important points about the devolution of political power.

    No government in Srilanka should ever grant autonomy to any province giving them police powers and land rights.

    After the defeat of the LTTE, all previous pacts have become null and void.

    Srilanka is too small a country to be divided amongst different races.Besides There are no precedences where countries have been divided to give separate provinces to different ethnic groups.

    In fact Europeans are desperately trying to unite even different countries under one flag .

  95. shankar says:

    88. Satyam | December 11th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    [Leela
    Don’t behave like a rabid racist ].
    ———————————————–
    I don’t think leela is a racist. I was closely following her comment and she brings out many valid points .Everytime sinhalese bring out their concerns if we label them as racists they will just clam up and not want to open up their feelings to us.. It is better to have open discussions and try to sort out each others concerns without going for the man or woman as you have done. You put out your arguments against her concerns and let the sinhalese who have enough brains to weigh the pros and cons of both your arguments.

    As for the vaddukoddai resolution i believe it was a major mistake by Chelvanayagam. A leader who sowed the seeds for future generations to reap.Whether it is tamil leaders or sinhala leaders they have never thought about the future generations, only themselves as they have always treated the environment too,raping it to the maximum without leaving anything to their grand children and great grandchildren. I hope from now on at least every decision taken by tamil and sinhalese leaders will take into consideration future unborn generations, or is it too much to ask for in the selfish world we are living in today and have always lived in?

  96. Rajah says:

    95 – Shankar:

    “As for the vaddukoddai resolution i believe it was a major mistake by Chelvanayagam.”

    The vaddukoddai resolution was voted on by the tamil people. Surveying the opinion of the tamil populace on a certain issue is a major mistake? So much for the principles of democracy and letting everyone speak their mind instead of rubber-stamping people with what you think is best for them.
    It is a mistake not to survey the opinion of the people, regardless of what the opinion is, and how deplorable it might seem to others or the effects it has. In any organization, company or country, the true opinions of the people matter for the organization to be a success. Otherwise plastering people with solutions based on perceived or forced opinions will cause their true opinions to fester and cause trouble in the future. Just like what is happening in Sri-Lanka right now.
    If Rajapaksa really wants to know what the tamil people want, he should have another vaddukoddai type survey with a range of choices such as : separate state, provincial devolution, no devolution, federal state, etc.
    This does not mean that he needs to give them what they vote on, but this would unequivocally give the tamil peoples’ opinions to him. But then, he won’t do it, because it will also give the tamil peoples’ opinions to the world and he knows well that that wouldn’t be good for buisness. So let the charades of committees and all that other bullshit that has been tried for 60+ years now begin…….Buisness as usual in Sri-Lanka.

  97. Prema says:

    “Tamils only started after 1956 Bandaranayaka passed Sinhala Only Act and discriminate Tamils for his petty political gains. ”

    What a laugh! Go and learn some history instead of regurgitating Tamil propaganda that has been fed to you. Chelvanayakam was speaking about separatism BEFORE Ceylon received independence. This was long before any so-called “acts of discrimination.”

    The Jaffna Tamils were quite happy living in an apartheid state where they occupied premier positions in the government far in excess of their percentage of the population and were desperate not to lose their clout. They couldn’t handle the fact that they might lose out to the majority Sinhalese.

    In any case, Tamils are in no position to speak down to the Sinhalese now. They will get what the Sinhalese will give them and that’s all. The Tamils who form something like 8% of the Sri Lankan population must not be allowed to control 30% of the land area and 60% of Sri Lanka’s coastline. That is a ludicrous idea.

  98. Zeek says:

    Tamils get a taste of what happens if they try to antagonise Mahinda….

    The diaspora Tamils should learn that any anti-Sri Lankan or anti-Sinhalese act will have consequences back in Sri Lanka…

    ————–

    National Anthem only in Sinhala; Tamil version out

    Sri Lanka’s national anthem will remain only in Sinhala, the Cabinet decided on Wednesday. The move will mean that the current Tamil version will no longer be played at any official or state functions. At present, the Sinhala version of Sri Lanka Matha is used in all parts of the country with the exception of the North and the East which have a large Tamil population.

    The decision to do away with the Tamil version, the Sunday Times learned, came after a lengthy discussion at last Wednesday night’s Cabinet meeting. It was the first after President Mahinda Rajapaksa returned to Sri Lanka following a visit to Britian where a scheduled address to the Oxford Union was cancelled allegedly due to security reasons.

    President Rajapaksa told ministers that in no other country was the national anthem used in more than one language. He cited an instance where one time Prime Minister, the late Sirimavo Bandaranaike, had walked out of a function in the north where the national anthem was played in Tamil.

    He said there could not be two national anthems and that it was a shortcoming that must be rectified. He said, “We must all think of Sri Lanka as one country.”

    http://www.sundaytimes.lk/101212/News/nws_01.html

    Next time diaspora Tamils attack him or Sri Lanka, they should be banned from visiting Sri Lanka.

  99. Gavin says:

    49. BunkerRat///Not an inch of leverage or automation should be given to ‘Tamils’… but everything must be available for Sri Lankans/////

     Perfectly correct. If Tamils want to be Srilankan’s they are most welcome. Or else with their  US vs THEY frame of mind, they can go to hell. I support you and agree 100% of your comment.  

    50. rasaiah/// the voice of diaspora tamils,we tamils live in canada only believe in tamil ealam,its our dream/////

    Good, be in Canada and deceive those people and live in your day dreams.  If you ever step into SL, that will be the end of your dreams.  

    70. Mahesh///This may also be the last chance for the Sinhalese people and their leaders to prove to the world that they believe in some political solution.If they fail in this the results could be… very bad, to put it mildly/////

    A ultimatum?? he he… who the hell do you think you are you podien? Message to you and your LTTE tamil advisors is, either live in peace with srilankans or try what you are now implying. We will finish you thugs for ever

     62. Leela//// /well said. That’s the stuff

  100. Don says:

    57. Gaja  | Tamils may try to lionise Chelvanayakam but he is the grandfather of Tamil separatism in Sri Lanka. He is the original instigator, the one who led the Tamils down the path of confrontation and racism. A man who wasn’t even born in Sri Lanka.

    —————————————————————————–
    Many thanks.  I tend to think there is some thruth in what you say. Where was SJV born? 

  101. Don says:

    69. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan  | Many thanks for your response and the information. Your question….. “ The question is do we have those among us who can take us back to our earlier heights and racial equilibrium? That is the question.”  I don’t think that can happen. Tamils must be willing to integrate but you don’t seem to like that idea. You want the Tamils people’s original privileges to be restored. I am afraid this will not happen. As the world moves forward, everything changes. We have to agree to the movement of the majority whether we like it or not. But I am sure, there are moderate and compatible Tamil leaders among the current crop of Tamils in SL but whether they can be persuaded to get into the political mainstream is another issue because politics is a very dirty game and the past does not favor such people to come forward when we look at what happened to Neelan and Kadiragarma 

  102. Don says:

    86. Bala.M  | I don’t know weather SJVC also had the same idea when he brought the vaddukoddai resolution. Could be SJVC brought the Vaddukoddai resolution to use it as a bargaining tool with Sinhala leaders. But the genie they had brought out still haunting us.
    —————————————————————————

     I think you are very correct. Many thanks for this.

  103. BunkerRat says:

    [.... 8% of the Sri Lankan population must not be allowed to control 30% of the land area and 60% of Sri Lanka’s coastline. That is a ludicrous idea.]

    Vicious TTD will never accept or respect these realities. They will continue to insult, demean and hurt Sri Lanka and Sri Lankans at every opportunity, no matter what.

    That’s why need to take all necessary steps to defend our petite, beaultiful MotherLanka, talking to TTD with the language they have proven to understand.

  104. Don says:

    95. shankar | As for the vaddukoddai resolution i believe it was a major mistake by Chelvanayagam.
    ————————————————————————

    Your whole comment at 95. is correct. I also agree after some comments in this blog on this matter that you are correct on the vadukottai resolution. But Probably SJV did not fully realise what he was doing or the future implications. But I appreciate your honesty being able to openly admit this mistake. SJV was my grandfathers friend. Both were lawyers.

  105. Yogesh Karayalar says:

    #49 Bunker Rat

    I would have appreciated you if you used the word ‘Sinhalese’ instead of ‘Sri Lankans’. Be bold and don’t hide behind the identity ‘Sri Lankan’.

    Get royalty for your imagination of 5 lakh strong Tamil Diaspora attacking Sri Lanka from all sides of the island. Discuss with some Hollywood director (or even Kollywood (Tamil filmdom)) and register your rights. If a movie is made out of that idea and released in SL, India and Europe I am sure that it will be a super duper hit. With that money you can settle once for all in London (it is a only a matter of shifting the residence from lion’s den to tiger’s den).

  106. Satyam says:

    95 – Shankar:

    In the same vein we the Tamil people are capable of judging weather SJVC’s Vaddukottai resolution was a mistake or SWRDB’s Sinhala only act was a mistake and which mistake preceeded. Neighter you nor Leela need to preach.

  107. SJVC says:

    Why is Mahinda iniationg a dialoc with TNA?

    US Senators call for Independent International Investigation.
    Seventeen United States Senators, in a letter sent to the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, urged her to “call for an independent international investigation into the allegations of gross human rights violations that occurred during the country’s 25-year civil war.” Coinciding with the week following release of WikiLeaks cable which revealed the Colombo-based US diplomats’ view that “responsibility for many alleged crimes rests with the country’s senior civilian and military leadership, including President Rajapaksa and his brothers and opposition candidate General Fonseka,” the letter follows the August letter sent by 58 members of Congress urging the Obama administration to push for an independent international investigation into alleged war crimes that occurred during Sri Lanka’s civil war.

  108. Confused Confucius says:

    It’s a good thing at least there is a dialogue which is better than no dialogues. e.g. like the lesson learnt and reconcilliation commission (of course no one knows what it means or does).

    I wonder talking to Hosni Mubarak (Sambanthan) will lead anyone anywhere. What Tamils need is a Leonidas (rather than an Ermadas) who can wisely take them to their true potential. Uniting them in the north and east. Someone with a diplomacy of KP, the leadership of early Pirabakaran and the bravery of Theepan.

    Nothing is too late if all the Tamils can search for this person and I hope that he will be somewhere and they can bring him to the forefront.

    This is the only way the Tamils can win again, rather than getting confused by the turbulence of Nediyavan’s, Douglas Devananda’s or Rudrakumaran’s FARTS

  109. Kugan says:

    It might be the good will of MR to have a doalog as he promissed he wantd to unite the people,
    But to do that there is only one LEFT FOR US is Mr.sampandan frankly even the TNA is not trustable soon there will be more splits and only two together will be Mavisenadiraja and Sampandan.

    Dispora Tamils BTF GTF TGTE Vinayagam they all continue but might have less impact on back home.as most of them have lost there citizenships and also facing a lot of social and domestic and physicolegy problems as well,this my opinon any way.

    We Tamils have to blame most of our leaders than banging about the Sinhaleese as our leaders dont have collective apporoach towrds the our issue,even now it may be the last chance to acheive this bloody murder mongaring affair.

    We all had enough of this suffering and right now every one wanted a lasting peace.when we all read it how releif it was after all that meyhem we all gone through.WE ALL PRAY AND RESPECT EACH OTHER AND WE STAY UNITED.
    It may be sad few section wont agree may be hard core as you all think but they all seems to be Tail after all.

    Leela Akke as you always mention Indian born leader,now there is another one SJV soon DSBJ find it for your future references.

  110. SJVC says:

    100. Don | December 11th, 2010 at 1,1:35 pm
    Dear Grand child
    What is your take on what ,why.who made me to take up Separatism?

    “Where was SJV born?” What are you trying to say? Don.

  111. SJVC says:

    Leela, Don,shankar,Zeek,Pream,Gavin and the likes as long as you don’t change . MR-TNA dialoc will fail , just like B-C, D-C pact, & etc

    Only an Independent State Can Ensure Survival of Eelam Tamils .

  112. Kugan says:

    Thanks for bringing the old photo of the three.
    as i remember as very small boy Leela put it on calener we also had in our home may be fastest callener to be sold.
    But thinking now why we hung them in our hall ways

  113. unpanal says:

    Does any one think this video is fake ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD21QWmLbaA

    Can you name the people on it?

  114. Thiruchelvam says:

    #97 Perma – This kind of mentality is a real reason for holding back SriLanka.Never accept their fault and Never compromise and Never Look into the Future.

    I am sorry to say this is your ignorant. Do you want to know about your ‘History of Lie’?I really don’t want to dig in the past. But mentioning one to you before the independence even Bandaranayaka wrote a letter to Neru to join Srilanka with India together. So, was
    this whole Sinhalese opinion?

    Whatever Chelvanayakam said was his opinion like
    Bandaranayaka. After all going through this Discrimination, Marginalization, Riots and the way Sinhalese treat, Tamils democratically raise their voice Tamileelam in 1977 election. This was the real first opinion from majority of the Tamils (Not Jaffna Tamils) through ‘SriLanka Election’; of course they have 100 % legitimate right to their Land and Sea and also sky (not SriLanka’s Sky!)

    Whole world is laughing about you are still cooking the figures and history for your propaganda by saying war crime, Genocide, Marginalization all “Tamil Propaganda”
    Dear my Sinhala friends, please don’t try to “hide the whole pumpkin in the plate of rice”

    Open up your third eye and share the power with Tamils where they feel Freedom, Democracy and Protected rather “They will get what the Sinhalese will give them”.
    (in 58? 77? 83? 09?) otherwise if you keep up the same mentality they have no choice other than Fully Independent State.

  115. Hunchback says:

    It is terrible how the government has treated these young ex-LTTE cadres How could they?

    http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4689180

    Not like the good old days when the LTTE ‘recruited’ them for the ultimate glory of ending up in a mahaveer cemetary..

    Anybody in the pro-LTTE diaspora want to help these youngsters with their education. Or are they considered traitors to the eelam cause now?

    Just goes to show the resilience on these youngsters, to do as well as they did under these circumastance. Well done. Got no doubts they will go on to be productive citizens.

  116. Theja Jayasekara says:

    Dear Mr. Jeyaraj,
    I am a frequent reader of your column. I wil be grateful to you if you can enlightne me on this question for which I have still not found a correct answer. What exactly are the grievences of Tamils & Muslims in Sr Lanka because of their ethnicity? Do not take this question as an insult. My position is all Sri Lankans, except for those who are ruling the country from time to time & those who are connected to them are treated as second class citizens in this country irrespective of their ethnicity. For example take the case of a school in Moneragala & compare it with a school in Colombo. There is a wide difference in facilities while both schools have majority sinhala students. Similarly in most of the other areas too it is the same. Only difference is the sinhalese do not see it as a treatment meted out to a minority while tamils & muslims tend to think so. The two insurrections in 1971 & 1988 were clear evidence of this. Please do not quote the language issue because both languages have equal status. The problem is in implementation of it, which is due to inefficiency of the governments in power. I trust you will understand my feelings about this. i do not believe by devolution you can solve this problem. Only solution is for all of us to think as Sri Lankans & not as different races. This is how all western countries are existing without a problem of this nature.

  117. jared says:

    “Where was SJV born? ”

    The old skunk was born in Malaysia. But ended up coming to Sri Lanka and practicing his racial politics.

  118. Ravi says:

    DBS,

    If Mr President is genuine, he is welcome! But procastination is the tactics that every government in SL apply.

    I doubt as you can see National anthem in Tamil gone – his vision is the only one country that is SL, i.e; South and North have the same rule, no more power sharing with Tamils.
    I think he clearly stated that there is no minority in this country.
    Ravi.

  119. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    80: ISS
    This is interesting stuff indeed that you have written about Thondaman. I was not aware of any of these.

    The communal politics will be with the people in Sri Lanka for sometime yet. Unfortunately we can not erase the experiences of last 60 years from our minds just like that. However, it is the duty and the responsibility of the government, the political parties and religious and civic leaders to lead the country by example and show the common people that there is no place for communal politics anymore. It is the duty of the media to shine a spotlight and change the opinions of the masses. I hope that this country will have the wisdom to do it.

    We have to get this right now. We have a very strong leader that most of the Sinhalese support. The Opposition that think it is their duty is the oppose everything under the sun is a spent force. The Tigers and the Tamil militancy is no more. The current Tamil political leadership are showing willingness to work with the government. As they say, all the stars are correctly aligned in the sky. Let get this done with.

  120. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    80:
    It was a further acknowledgement of the political wisdom of Thonda within the 24hrs after he died and his body was brought to Cbo every principal Sinhala town on the way insisted in paying their homage and respects to his cortege – lead, in many cases, by the heirarchy in the area of the Buddhist clergy.
    ———————————————————-
    This story brought to my mind something that happened few years ago. There is a Tamil engineer that I work with here in Toronto. His brother was young doctor working in Badulla. Unfortunately he was travelling in a three-wheeler in Kandana on the Colombo-Negombo Rd, when a drunken driver in a van hit the three-wheeler. He was rushed to the Ragama hospital where he passed away ( partly because the Emergency Room doctor who was suppose to be on duty was not around, but that is a different story). My friend rushed back to SL to do the funeral arrangements. The family was from Colombo and so the funeral was being arranged to be held there. In the meantime, the community leaders of Budulla had rushed down to Colombo and asked my friend if the body could be taken back to Badulla where apparently the young doctor was very highly regarded. Unfortunately that request could not be accommodated so the funeral was held in Colombo. My friend told me that there were thousands of people from Badulla at that funeral in Colombo who had traveled to pay last respects to their beloved doctor who servedr them. After so many years, my Tamil friend still talks about the response of the mainly Sinhala public of Badulla towards his brother.

    So even in the doom and gloom of ethnic melt down, there were nuggets of stories about good people doing the right thing.

  121. Ilankai Tamilan says:

    Don , Neither sjv nor I was born in Srilanka I was born in the Island of Ceylon not Srilanka as Ilankai Tamilan. I live in occupied Jaffna by ailean Army.

    S.J.V. Chelvanayakam (1898-1977), a ranking civil lawyer and legislator, was probably the well known Parkinson disease victim in the 20th century Sri Lanka. He was born in Ipoh, Malaya, where his father had moved in the last decade of the 19th century for professional advancement. Ipoh was then an attractive location for migrants from China and the Indian subcontinent since it was in the Kinta valley – touted then, as the world’s richest single tin field. Chelvanayakam was brought to Jaffna peninsula when he was aged four (in 1902 or 1903) by his mother, who returned to her native Tellipalai town partly due to indifferent health during her stay in Kinta region.

  122. Mahesh says:

    99. Gavin

    70. Mahesh///This may also be the last chance for the Sinhalese people and their leaders to prove to the world that they believe in some political solution.If they fail in this the results could be… very bad, to put it mildly/////
    A ultimatum?? he he… who the hell do you think you are you podien? Message to you and your LTTE tamil advisors is, either live in peace with srilankans or try what you are now implying. We will finish you thugs for ever

    ————————————————————–

    Please try to talk decently, if you can. I can also talk indecently, but I am a decent person living among Tamils. Having imbibed their culture I can only behave with you or any one else who pass disparaging personal comments against me in a decent manner.

    They call it culture. If It is difficult to expect from you I will not mind your abusive words.

    Carry on and expose your uncultured nature in the blog.

  123. Ilankai Tamilan says:

    Don,Gaja, where were you born ?where are you living ?where were your children born? where were VP born lived and died? what effect these have on your thinking? why are you still living in Canada? why don’t you come home?

  124. Mohan says:

    #zeek
    Tamils ditched the Sri Lankan national anthem long ago.

  125. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Ranjan (#121) I believe I know the incident you referred to,
    He was the son of Mr Ponraja, who was the Director of Irrigation.The family was known to us. What is touching here is this excdptionally kind man had come all the way from Badulla to help a servant (Sinhalese) to build a house, which he is reporteed to have financed to a large extent. , When he was rushed to GH/Cbo the doctor’s were on strike. He died due to belated medical attention. His mother was a well known piano teacher when they lied at Bullers Rd. They were highly regarded and respected by all in Mannarr (where they hail from)
    Colombo and wherever they lived.

    ISS

  126. Navin says:

    125. Mohan:

    What a great loss to Sri Lanka.

    Better still, you should have also ditched all the free or otherwise subsidized benefits that you continued to reap from Sri Lankan state along with its Anthem like health care, education, food, etc. so that money could have been used for the welfare of other more humble citizens of the country.

  127. A. Sellathurai says:

    It is certainly good news for Tamils from DBSJ.

    For good think to happen what is needed is pure heart. Individuals and dialogues are secondary. There are tons of documents identifying the solution by mainly recognized Sinhalese political parties. Prof. GLP too is there who knows the thinking of the two major political parties.

    In this context it may be not irrelevant to quote what ‘aratai’ has commented in this site some months back:

    “Srilankan Buddhist President can have any power, all the powers in the world…
    - he can visit Vatican to meet Pope
    - he can go Tirupathi to meet God Vishnu
    - he can even try to make a man a woman (which JRJ couldn’t do)
    But, he cannot do two things:
    - He cannot meet Buddhist Leader Dalai Lama
    - He cannot devolve powers to Tamils.”

    I pray that aratai’s comments should not come true.

    A. Sellathurai

  128. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Don (#101) I am for integration as any other. But the space for that has been gradually kiiled by the march of majoritarian supremacy. While a Tamil could have lived in any part of the Sinhala South in the pre-1960s without the fear of harm to his person and property, one has to be a pathetic ignoramus to claim this is possible today. We then had a multi-racial and respectable Police force then operating to the very letter of the law. Today the Police force is a joke – don’t you agree? I recall the case of an able and efficient ASP nick-named as “Brute” (Shanmugam?) who won the respect of the Police in Cbo. In the 1977 anti-Tamil pogrom, his own orders to maintain peace was flouted by the lower ranks. He knew politicans had taken over from the Police heirarchy and doing their own thing in ethnic-cleansing in Kandy then. I believe he left the country in utter disgust.

    The way to peace, inter alia, will be PCs to a de-merged North-Eastern District with guarantees it cannot be dismantled by arbitrary and politically-motivated action from Cbo; more meaningful law and order guarantees to Tamils under a vibrant Constitution in the rest of the country amongst which is the removal of the un-necessary Emergency Regulations – a convenient tool today to keep Tamils in chains. I believe discussions are going on – now and then at the whimsical fancies and moods of some people – to narrow the gap in other contentious issues. Let us hope it succeeds and that political decisions are taken wisely and not viscerally. Placing singing of the National Anthem only in Sinhala in the heat of the Oxonion fiasco is a crude expression of mala fide and will in no way contribute to
    National Reconciliation.

    What did you have in mind when you wrote “move with the majority”? No Tamil worth his knowledge will fail to acknowledge the Sinhalase being around 75% are the dominant majority here and, therefore, entitled to resources accordingly albeit in a just, reasonable and acceptable manner.

    ISS

  129. Leela says:

    Don: Chelvanayakam is the one who promoted Wadukodai resolutions. Wadukodai resolutions urged Tamil youth to take up arms and not to lay it down until Eelam is won. So how could Chelvanayakam be a Ghandian? No chance; he is the conspirators that brought all this misery to Tamils.

    Satyam: As shankar says, I am a patriot but not a racist or a bigot. I condemned 83 and all other riots many a time. Sinhala only act is long gone. 75% Sinhalese do not object to learning Tamil. What about you? You think Tamils of the North means Tamils in Sri Lanka. Yet, you want to be in ‘Eelam box’ or ‘bantustan box’. That’s the problem. You cannot have the cake and eat the cake. You’ll get the shock of your life at the next census. Read my comment properly.

    ISS: You may have been a friend of Thondaman and you may have guarded him as well. But I do not know from whom you were protecting him from? Piripaharan!

    All I know is that I have visited him in his flat in front of Royal college many a times. I must have spoken to him for hours in many a late evening for I was living just few minutes away from there at the time. In short, he knows me well. Ask his private secretary, Thirunavukarusu. This was in mid eighties.

    Now, I did not say, everything he said was acceptable to us like the gospel to Christians. Many a times he criticized DS with me. To say the least, he talked even against granting of the universal franchise to us. I do not deny that there are so many things that we Sinhalese may not have agreed with him. But what I admire of him is; unlike Chelvanayakams, Thonda is a realist. He told me this categorically. And that is why we say we miss him.

    Let me give you an indication. One day, I asked him; Sir; who would be best to be our next President. Gamini Jayasuriya was the straight answer. I was shocked, so I asked him why? He said; Jayasuriya command the support of the Sinhala Buddhists.

    Propositions, Criticisms, disagreements, arguments are a must. that’s democracy. But not Wadukodai resolutions and the like that promote demagoguery, violence, terrorism and war.
    Leela

  130. Godzilla says:

    —Comment 117—

    Well said Theja,

  131. Nicholas says:

    120. Ranjan

    “We have to get this right now. We have a very strong leader that most of the Sinhalese support. The Opposition that think it is their duty is the oppose everything under the sun is a spent force. The Tigers and the Tamil militancy is no more. The current Tamil political leadership are showing willingness to work with the government. As they say, all the stars are correctly aligned in the sky. Let get this done with.”

    Ranjan, I fully agree with the above. However, I am not sure MR has the vision to develop SL as a country where Sinhalese and Tamils can live in peace. The pessimist in me suggests these talks or any future agreement between TNA and Govt will be thrown into the same bin as the previous agreements.

    According to an SL weekend paper, MR thinks that no country in the world has its national anthem sung in two different languages and had ordered Tamil removed from SL anthem henceforth . Alas, none of his cabinet ministers could advise him of the Canadian anthem. Such is his knowldge and maturity. So I don’t expect, however much I want these talks to succeed, anything positive from these talks.

  132. Don says:

    124. Ilankai Tamilan | Don,Gaja, where were you born
    ————————————————————————
    My dear friend, I was born in SL and I have lived among Tamils, Singhalese, burgers, Malays of SL. I probably have travelled to more places than you in Jaffna. Only people I haven’t met are the Kaffirs of SL whom I will meet one day. Currently I live in the west but every day I am in contact with my SL friends. I have lived I think in all area’s of SL where Tamils live including the tea estates. I have also visited many countries outside SL. I hope I have answered you.

  133. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    126.
    Indeed he was the son of Mr Ponraja. His other brother, went through Katubedde with me and now is an electrical engineer in Toronto. That is how I heard the story.

    Isn’t it a small world. Pity that we have to fight to divide it.

  134. Rajiv says:

    #126 ISS

    Your note reminds me of an irrigation engineer from Batticaloa ( a contemporary of Mr.Ponraja) who was well respected and admired for his integrity and professional achievements in the 70′s and 80′s. However, he actively opposed government sponsored colonization in Batticaloa villages bordering Polanaaruwa. So much so the then PM Srimavo ordered him to be arrested and remanded. However, he was saved by minister Maithiripala Senanayake who indicated to the PM that a government employee following proper procedures to prevent the implementation of political agenda cannot be arrested without a criminal charge. The engineer was subsequently transferred from Batticaloa but only at a time a transfer was due.

    The reason I detail this incident here is that there was a time in Sri Lanka when the notion of “the rule of law” was taken seriously and we had ministers who had the will and freedom to counsel/oppose the powers that be (even someone of Mrs.B’s caliber) when they started to stray.

    Today, not sure who could dare advice, much less question, MR (may be his brothers, but somehow I doubt that). And I doubt anything good or tangible would come out of all the committees, councils etc. being set up under the pretext of solving the Tamil/refugee issue. As I noted somewhere else in the DBS blog what really matters at this juncture is what MR thinks and wants. His actions (not words) in the next few weeks and months will indicate the direction he wants the Tamil issue to head.

  135. Sigamani says:

    Mahinda is talking to TNA due to Indian pressure.He is not sincere in this

  136. shankar says:

    #117-theja jayasekera

    i do not believe by devolution you can solve this problem. Only solution is for all of us to think as Sri Lankans & not as different races. This is how all western countries are existing without a problem of this nature.
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    What you are not taking into consideration is history. If in a western country a minority have had a seperate kingdom then they will either want it back or want some sort of devolution of powers arrangement. The western country will have to either go backwards into history and give back what the minority had earlier or they can go forward in a 20th century phenomenon called devolution of powers, like india.

    As for your contention what are the rights that the tamils don’t have at the moment, the only thing i can tell you is that the tamils don’t want to be at the mercy of the whims and moods of the majority, as the experience since independence has shown. They want a permanent arrange ment that will safeguard their rights for ever. So why not enshrine that in the constitution by implementing the 13th amendment with modifications to the unit of devolution, and the 16th amendment for language, and 17th amendment for institutions to oversee transparency, fairplay and justice, and a bill of rights. These will help the whole country to develop because direct foreign investment will pour in and the country will also get developed in a uniform manner with north,south,east west and central all having equitable distribution of resources. One problem we have faced since independence is the lopsided development in the western province that has resulted in unrest in other provinces and also mass migration to the western province. With regard to direct foreign investment, you will find that the developed world has a disproportionate amount because of their institutions that guarantee transparency, rule of law and justice fairplay.. Foreigners are loath to put their money into countries where there capital can be affected by the whims and moods of the people in power. So if we do the things that i said we should then we are going in the correct direction where it is a win win situation for everyone.

  137. arun says:

    Almost all the Tamil party met in finding a common agenda it is a new development taking place. its good to see such and if they forget the past and act on what is practical good for the Tamils

  138. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Leela (#130) …Having been close to the old Thonda, I am not aware of any woman he spoke “for hours” in the mid-80s. That was not his culture. I have no reason to deny you did not know him but you certainly are not aware of many things around the Thondaman’s for someone claiming to be a “close” neighbour. If I am to ask Thiru I might have to go to Haedes. He died around 2,000 in a Hotel he used to frequent in Madras.. How come you did not know. The more reliable Sivaraja or IP Nadaraja too don’t seem to know someone of your description – as they tell me. But no bother. These are small and insiginificant matters.

    ISS

  139. Manju says:

    Here is the latest news:

    The Sri Lankan cabinet has mandated the Sinhala version of the national anthem instead of a Tamil version used in some parts of the country, a media report said. The move will mean that the Tamil version of the anthem will no longer be played at any official or state functions, the Sunday Times reported. The decision was taken on Wednesday.

    For all those naive tamils who believe that Tamils could share power!

  140. Selva says:

    Most of you wrote the comments here are happy that the President is going to talk to TNA about their demands. They say 13 th Amendment plus. 13th Amendment was already a law since 1987 but the Northeast government was unable to use it. In America on the same year the civil war ended they passed the most popular 13th Amendment to the constitution which outlawed the slavery. The White people are civilized people and they honoured the law even though it benefited the Blacks. Are we living with civilized society to be happy with even if they are ready to change constitution to devolve power to the regions? By the way…the Southern Sudanese are are celebrating in the streets because they are going to have referendum on the Jan. 9th to decide whether they want independent or not. Erithiya, East Timor, Kosovo , Somali Land all won their freedom while the best Gorilla Pirapakaran and the best Gorillas LTTErs were unable to get even devolution. The most obstruct cle to freedom fighting was Pirapakaran and we must say thanks to Mahinda to find an end to him.

  141. Don says:

    111. SJVC | “Where was SJV born?” What are you trying to say? Don.
    ——————————————————————–
    Firstly I was curious. Secondly, although Singhalese, my family held SJVC in high esteem. Then I thought how can this guy espouse the cause of Elam? But now I have understood the back ground as my fellow bloggers have given the information. I am very thankful for this. This is why I appreciate DBS’s blog.

    129. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:- I don’t think you deserve a short reply from me but time prevents me. I don’t think your vision for the Tamils will be realised. I think if Tamils thinks like “thonda” that is more close to the mark. To be realistic. Compromise to get the best outcome in the current situation I think will yield results. You are a Jem because I was thinking of Brute Mahendran. Because I have many Tamil friends, there was confusion between two Tamil Police superintendents both called mahendran. Both of them were poles apart in personality while brute was a character probably as the name implies. Is brute dead?

    130. Leela:- Your comment is greatly appreciated

  142. Don says:

    135. Rajiv:- I can tell you many stories like this. Once I was in Jaffna and my friend told his brother has been transferred because he did not pay respect to a Singhalese minister. The poor fellow’s family was shattered. As a Singhalese, they wanted my help but I was a bit reluctant to play politics. Then my friend suddenly remembered that he had a friend who was with maithripala senanayaka, deputy leader of the SLFP in school in Jaffna. So, one telephone call to MS and transfer was cancelled. This happened before LTTE came to power. Morale of the story is, today can an average Jaffna guy get this done via a Singhalese government? For me this shows how much the Tamils have lost after the LTTE and vindictive politics.

  143. Leela says:

    ISS: I did not say I am a woman. Many readers may have assumed it. So did some readers of ‘the Sunday Leader’, when I used to post comments to it.

    From school days, all my friends call me Leela because Leela is the first five letters of my full name. You can easily find out who I am if you really wanted to. If speak truth and logic, does it matter who I am?

    Don: Thank you for appreciating my comments.
    Leela

  144. upf says:

    OH what a Good news !! pray to God that something will work.Thanks DBS once again for your time for this artical… I appreciate your effort to do something for your community, as well as my to fellow zitizens, I just got got to know how you are getting those informations specially. anyway I ‘m so proud of you for trying your best to help poor, desperate people whom suffered more than 3 decades. I have a big X’Mas gift for you, Hope to meet you in next summer.( just cross the boarder). Take care of you, God Bless you and your family. I love you !!!

  145. sjoseph says:

    140. Manju

    Good news and many Tamils would welcome it, as Tamil language would not be (mis)used anymore to sing srilankan national anthem.

  146. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Leela (#144) You certainly took your time to clear up the sex factor. I suspect there won’t be any more “Dears” from readers
    to you – except for those who come under the Don’t ask and Don’t Tell category.

    ISS

  147. Ranjan,Toronto says:

    141. Selva

    Americal civil war was fought to abolish slavery. So of course, the federal forces, which destroyed the South, would ban slavery the day the war eneded. That was a clear case of a victor enforcing conditions on the vanquished.

  148. Yogeh Karayalar says:

    Did you observe that Mahinda has proposed the idea of having a single national anthem? An idea that was proposed by Mahinda and seconded by Vimal Veerawansa. Is it a reaction to the waterloo faced by Mahinda in OU or Mahinda and co have started implementing their original agenda? Whatever the reason it may be it reveals the aim of Rajapakse and co clearly.

    Why can’t tamils and sinhalese find something common to them apart from the mere physical proximity? Take India, Most of the north indians believe that their mother tongue is a dialect of sanskrit. Even south indians accept the idea of Indian Union since majority of them are hindus. Sanskrit and hinduism are the binding forces. Why can’t such a root be identified by the GoSL between tamils and sinhalese instead of proposing a single nation on physical proximity alone? Is there any such binding force? It is the right time to think?

    Above all I wish a speedy recovery for Mr.Sampanthan and I hope both TNA and GoSL will sincerely try for an amicable solution. Ignore bunker rats.

  149. Mahesh says:

    127. Navin

    125. Mohan:

    What a great loss to Sri Lanka.

    Better still, you should have also ditched all the free or otherwise subsidized benefits that you continued to reap from Sri Lankan state along with its Anthem like health care, education, food, etc. so that money could have been used for the welfare of other more humble citizens of the country.

    ——————————————

    Were the Tamils not the citizens of your country and were they not paying taxes to your govt. Then why are you talking like this. I know you would talk about the LTTE days when you supplied some thing to them. For receiving those things from you free of cost they have lost all theirs’ now in the Mullivaikkal debacle.

    Treat them are your citizens. Mind you, majority of the Tamils are living not in the North and the East.

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    129. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan

    Placing singing of the National Anthem only in Sinhala in the heat of the Oxonion fiasco is a crude expression of mala fide and will in no way contribute to
    National Reconciliation.

    ——————————————-

    I accept your views Sir. This whole business of talks that is going on behind the scenes is a tamasha. Nothing concrete is going to come out of it.

    They are going in some places beyond the Annexure C.

    While the majority could accept the Annexure C or the 13th amendment then how then are they going to accept it now.

    So the seeds of the failure of this talks is sown there itself.

  150. Diyasena says:

    Very well written article DBSJ..

    I personally don’t think MR would completely give up land power, without obtaining concessions from the TNA on the unit and police powers first… Neither do I believe he agreed to direct foreign investments..

    He is walking a tightrope.. He may command a majority 2/3at the moment, but the opposition can whip up a nationalisitc frenzy amongst the Sinhalese if he is seen as conceding too much.. Sajith Premadasa could ride this wave to take the leadership of both his party and the country (he is sort of already positioning himself to do that).. With diaspora still braying for his blood MR could end up in a ‘Allapu aththath ney- Payagahapu aththath ney’ (The branch he tried to grasp snapped, whilst trying to grasp it the one he was standing on also snapped) situation..

    A compromise is where neither side is totally happy or totally unhappy.. So it would be better to.

    1. Share land (perecentage-wise) and police (jurisdiction-wise) powers

    2. A merged unit encompassing less land and coastal area than the original merged NEP…

    3. Allow for direct investments from private investors. But investments from foreign governments and loans should go through the center..

    Also mechanisms need to be put into place to allay major fears from either side..

    1. The interference from center in provincial affairs and/or arbiterary abrogation of the existing arrangement by the center..

    2. Denial by provincial administration, the right of the people of other areas to migrate to the NEP and/ or work there.. Laws facilitating this discrimination should be abolished..

    3. Illegal migration from Tamilnadu via the North-Western coast.

  151. Diyasena says:

    I for one am happy that GoSL did away with the Tamil version of the national anthem, provided that it is followed up with the insertion of some Tamil lyrics from the discarded anthem into the Sinhala one…

    This can be a minute form of integration when Sinhala speakers have to learn the Tamil bits in the new anthem and the Tamil speakers the Sinhala bits..

  152. Je says:

    Good to hear about the talks behind the curtains. But it irks when we hear about the abolition of the Tamil version of the national anthem. Maybe it is a sign for a very meaningful talks with the TNA?
    One national anthem for one country!!!!

    And the President’s explanation that no countries in the world has national anthem in more than one language made me think how informed the political heads are?

    What do you think DBSJ?
    Will you write about national anthems of world nations including Canada to make awareness among our kinds?

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    No decision was taken by cabinet so far to abolish Tamil version of national anthem………….

  153. Wistle Blower says:

    Listen folks this well hyped TNA-GOSL negotiation is a diversion of the war crime investigations, i don’t think any genuine effort or clear signals coming from the GOSL.

    The ground reality is more of alienating the Tamils and whipping more Sinhala nationalism.

    Mahinda got his two third majorities. If he is genuine, like for instance what he did with the national anthem by agitating Tamil’s opposition. He should do the same thing when it comes to give the Tamil’s lost rights and wellbeing but that wouldn’t happen. Count on my words these are just gimmicks soon you will learn it.

    If you aren’t united and rather keep kneeling and begging Rajabaksas won’t bring any reliefs for your lost rights and the suffering of your people.

    Please understand that there are lots of your rights were robed from you and still happening these are your birth rights don’t think you are living I an alien country so you have to comply with whatever violations happen to you.

    North-East is your traditional habitat, you have the right to exercise your culture, language, and other rights fearlessly in your territory. You should be able to control your land and govern without any third party intervention.

    God save the Tamils.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    God save the Tamils from Long -Distance vocal warriors like you who “encourage” Tamils in Lanka to fight on while staying safely abroad

  154. MAHENDRA says:

    A deceitful Prez. will never, never make a Statesman.

    The solution of the Tamil problem was ended in May last.
    Q.E.D!!

  155. Navin says:

    Decision to abolish the Tamil version should have been taken in consultation with TNA. This type of decision making is what led to this mess in the first place. I’m more concerned about the process through which the decision was taken than the decision itself. When Sinhalese leaders make decisions that affect Tamil people without consulting their leaders how can we blame them for asking for a separate state?

    MR should also tell Karunanidhi to mind his own business. The guy has the nerve to condemn us for abolishing Tamil version whiling singing the Indian national anthem in Bengali. I guess to say diametrically opposite things when it suites one’s case is not the whole privilege of Mahesh et. al.

    I really don’t mind Tamils singing national anthem in their own language. The present national anthem has little historic significance. Unlike Indian national anthem which goes on to mention at least the different peoples of India, Sri Lankan national anthem is a song which any country can adopt as its national anthem. Please correct me if I’m wrong, the song says nothing that’s unique to Sri Lanka.

    In India they were able to adopt a Bengali song as the national anthem in spite of Hindi been the language that’s mostly spoken because of the high degree of similarity between Hindi and Bengali which cannot be said about Sinhalese and Tamil or Hindi and Tamil.

    Anyways, one person already killed himself over this song, I hope more will not follow.

  156. Anpan says:

    Meendum Anpan!
    I totally agree with you Wistle Blower. But let’s be hopeful that communication between gov of SL and TNA prospor and something good come out of it for the sake of the local minorities.

    “Thanthai” Selva tried in Ghandian way, and more more tried in peaceful but ended up getting fooled and played on. Not only that, sinhala thuggery was unleashed on them. I am sure all these events taught us a lessons. As a result, LTTE was born and gone. Now again, back to square one….Aiya Sampanthan is leading the way and we should be faithful and trust eachother.

    I am sure many are well aware diaspora tamils are very powerful and capable of fighting things in DEMOCRATIC ways. Let’s not forget, criminals should be brought to justice and punished. After all, as many of you (including myself) want Sri Lanka should stay united and criminals should be eliminated from the society.

  157. Navin says:

    146. sjoseph:

    Good news and many Tamils would welcome it, as Tamil language would not be (mis)used anymore to sing srilankan national anthem.

    ——–

    Oh we can do much better. By just stripping the official language status from Tamil, it won’t be misused by the state anywhere. Tamils only have to give the go ahead and Sinhalese will be very happy to arrange that for you.

  158. MGR says:

    The fact national anthum was discused at the ministers meeting itsself gives us the mind set of reconciliation or brainwashing/timebuying tactic with TNA is being proposed

  159. NTR says:

    T hope Sampanthan recovers soon.Otherwise things will reach an impasse again

  160. Arunasalam says:

    Thank you for this DBS

    Cabinet defers decision on National Anthem language
    by D.B.S. Jeyaraj

    Contrary to news reports the Sri Lankan cabinet has NOT decided that the National Anthem should be sung in Sinhala and not in Tamil also.

    Public Administration minister WDJ Senevirathne submitted paper that Sinhala be the sole language for national anthem for cabinet approval

    During discussions ministers Vasudeva Nanayakkara, Douglas Devananda, Rajitha Senaratne, Rauf Hakeem & Athaullah opposed the idea vehemently

    Seeing the deep differences in cabinet on the matter President Rajapaksa announced that a decision would be taken later&deferred the issue

    Until a final decision is taken the national anthem would be sung in both the Sinhala &Tamil languages. Let the status quo remain forever!

    from http://twitter.com/dbsjeyaraj

  161. Hiran says:

    Thanks for setting the record straight DBS

    Cabinet defers decision on National Anthem language
    by D.B.S. Jeyaraj

    Contrary to news reports the Sri Lankan cabinet has NOT decided that the National Anthem should be sung in Sinhala and not in Tamil also.

    Public Administration minister WDJ Senevirathne submitted paper that Sinhala be the sole language for national anthem for cabinet approval

    During discussions ministers Vasudeva Nanayakkara, Douglas Devananda, Rajitha Senaratne, Rauf Hakeem & Athaullah opposed the idea vehemently

    Seeing the deep differences in cabinet on the matter President Rajapaksa announced that a decision would be taken later&deferred the issue

    Until a final decision is taken the national anthem would be sung in both the Sinhala &Tamil languages. Let the status quo remain forever!

    from http://twitter.com/dbsjeyaraj

  162. arun says:

    in any case its just like Sinhalese Sri in the motor vehicle / which was taken off over night / no importance / but done mainly to feed low grade Sinhalese.

    taking away the Tamil version of national anthem will bring down the cost of living ( bread ) then welcome

  163. Puma says:

    The Sri Lankan National Anthem is alreday tainted with blood.

    It was composed by Ananda Samarakoon (born Egodahage George Wilfred Alwis Samarakoon to a Christian family in Padukka in 1911).
    Samarakoon left for Santiniketan in India to study art and music and was highly influenced by Rabindranath Tagore (who has two National Anthems to his credit).
    He returned home, and changed his name to Ananda Samarakoon, embracing Buddhism.

    He wrote the lyrics and composed it in 1940 as ‘Namo Namo Mata’ for his students at Mahinda College, which was adopted as the National Anthem in 1951.
    It is said it was first sung by some 500 students from Musaus College.

    The introductory words were changed to “Sri Lanka Mathaa” in early 1962, as it was criticised the “Gana” significance designate disease and ill luck.

    Samarakoon defended his composition and on April 5, 1962, at the age of fifty one, he committed suicide and the cause is said to be the change of words of his composition without his consent.

  164. BunkerRat says:

    [North-East is your traditional habitat, you have the right to exercise your culture, language, and other rights fearlessly in your territory. You should be able to control your land and govern without any third party intervention.]
    Here comes another senior member of the TTD, short for Tamil Terrorist Diaspora, clearly exposing their sinister plan to create disunity, havoc and bloodshed in Sri Lanka, one more time.

    For the typical Tamil traditional homeland syndrome, from which the members of the TTD suffer, there’s only one tested and tried medicine… DDTT (Death and Destruntion of Tamil Terrorists).

    DDTT not only works like magic effectively and totally decimating the deadly TTD parasites, but also scares away local & foreign born vultures, looking to fish in trouble waters, and then dictate terms to us.

    Use DDTT with confidence, with less talk, while smiling from ear to ear.

    Lifetime guarantee comes with every application!

  165. shankar says:

    #154-wistle blower or whistle blower

    North-East is your traditional habitat, you have the right to exercise your culture, language, and other rights fearlessly in your territory. You should be able to control your land and govern without any third party intervention.
    ————————————————–
    You are talking nonsense about the traditional homeland concept. Traditional homeland does not give ownership rights to control the land and govern without third party intervention as you claim. You have the traditional mentality of srilankan tenants who don’t pay a cent for the house but after going in on rent finally don’t pay the landlord the rent and also tell him that they now own the house.

    Are you telling us that in another 200 years the tamils who have traditionally settled and concentrated in specific areas of the western world can say it is their traditional homeland and are entitled to control and govern those.

    The traditional homeland concept was brought in i feel in order to include the east into the eelam map.It would have been better if the great brains at that time stuck to the jaffna kingdom instead of asking for the east too. The east was under the control of the kandyan kingdom except for a very small portion in the north.You cannot go as a tenant to a place and say i now want to control it too. If you want to ditch this traditional homeland concept and claim that the north is tamil country and as such it should be either given back to tamils or certain degree of autonomy is given instead, then it is a reasonable request that the world community will have to accept it, because it was the colonial powers that amalgamated everything, and they have a responsibility to put it back the way it was before, because of the unrest it has created after sinhalese bhuddhist rule.

    It is time to let go of the east. karuna and pillayan will look after the interests of the eastern people and they have shown what they think of the northerners by farting into their face and licking mahinda’s backside.

  166. Mohan says:

    #143 Don
    you are full of contradiction.
    on one hand you say your friend was transferred simply because he offended a sinhalease minister and then you say another sinhalease helped him out
    Then blame LTTE
    I am not a LTTE supporter but it seems you want to blame LTTE for everything.
    However Maithiripala was a cultured man. Can you imagine the present crop of uneducated thugs helping you out with a telephone cal. First they will come and beat you up ot demand bribes

  167. Mohan says:

    #154 DBSJ RESPONDS:
    God save the Tamils from Long -Distance vocal warriors like you who “encourage” Tamils in Lanka to fight on while staying safely abroad
    ========
    where are you safely living DBSJ?

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    The difference Nohan is that unlike you I dont ENCOURAGE Tamils to “fight” and get diminished further while staying abroad.

    I try to use my pen Mohan to bring about inter-ethnic understanding, reconciliation and amity in Sri Lanka and do not engage in vocal wafare like you

    I am now combating people like you and other tiger and pro-tiger Diaspora elements through my pen because the resurgence of people like you will bring more damage to my people back home

    I left Sri Lanka Mohan because I was targeted by the then govt, arrested,interrogated at 4th floor, had passport impounded, had “case” filed against me etc. I am still on the black list

    Finally Mohan I am not comfortably safe abroad from third grade buffoons and goons. I have had my leg broken,head cracked, my newspaper stopped etc. I continue to get attacked and vilified in Tiger media.I regularly receive abuse, hatemessages, threats, death threats while lving here .

    Still I continue to write Mohan because I consider it my sacred vocation something which someonelike you will never understand

    I also know that people like you hate me because I have not cowed down to your threats and intimidation and continue to write what I believe is right under my own name without fear

  168. Dilshan F says:

    114 unpanal,
    The video you linked too is exactly what most people dont want. If you watch video’s of world war II, or any war this is the outcome. Soldiers and Governments and terrorists fight and its the innocent that always suffer.
    This is not a one sided war. Brutality was the hallmark of the LTTE. The killings and murder of the innocent of the LTTE is all too clear.
    The message should be no more violence.
    Bad politics, Bad goals all these were burdens placed on the tamil speaking people in the north. Whilst the Diaspora fueled the fire these absolutely helpless people suffered.
    Those responsible all all who think that violence is the way forward. All your dollars and Euro’s were responsible as much as the shelling.

  169. A. Sellathurai says:

    ISS, Thank you very much for making the Thondaman Lover to take off the ‘Leela’ garb for us. If not for you I would have tempted to write love letters.
    In a film I enjoyed whenever the comedian character started talking to anyone or on any subject, the first sentence to come out from him was “In 1947, I was …….. .“ Our Thandaman Lover too in almost all comments in this site never fails to bring with him the name of Thondaman. He behaves like one who studied Thondaman in dept and sincerely appreciates his political philosophy without any sinister move.
    I am sure our Thondaman Lover has all the credentials to get a respected post in the Spoilers Group mentioned in the DBSJ’s article under reference.
    A. Sellathurai

  170. Rajan says:

    Judging the President’s behaviour in the past,
    I sincerely feel that nothing will come out of these talks.
    His supporters who are thugs and pole-vaulters will never allow any solution to succeed.

    It is only to play for time & due to pressure from the West, this proposal has been originated.

    Hope and pray Sambandan will recover and lead his
    people.

  171. Rajiv says:

    #143 Don

    I agree with you completely. As a Tamil I am quite saddened to see the deterioration of Tamil society in Sri Lanka since the “boys” took to arms (whatever the causes may be).

    To continue my story about this engineer (#135). I got to know him while he was in Toronto where he spent his last days. He said that while preventing Sinhala colonization he was initiating Tamil ones (he apparently settled upcountry Tamils in Batticaloa villages bordering Polanaaruwa such as Vadamunai, Punanai and Kattumurivu). He claimed the government couldn’t really do anything against him since he was acting well within his mandate and powers as a senior bureaucrat. When UNP assumed power minister Gamini Dissanayake wanted to clip his wings. The worst thing he could do was to promote the engineer as Deputy Director and transfer him to Tissamaharama.

    The moral of this story, if I may, is that had leaders of the Tamil “struggle” employed proper lawful means to further their objectives we wouldn’t be at this juncture. Several thousands would not have lost their lives in vain.

    Rajiv, is this engineers surname begin and with M?……….DBSJ

  172. R Pathmanathan says:

    Hello DBSJ,

    Thank you for this scoop.

    I am wishing both President MR and Mr. Sambanthan
    ” all the best.”

    Readers, Please appreciate the contributions to this comments sections by the following people.

    Dilshan F
    Don
    Leela
    Ranjan from Toronto
    Devinda Fernando (He doesn’t comment on DBSJ articles but to other ones)
    Navin and Harshe ( lately missing)
    Etc.

    These people make the comments very interesting and without their comments we wouldn’t know the average Sinhalese mindset. We must appreciate the efforts and time they spend to bring out their opinions or challenge others points.

    Mr. DBS Jeyaraj,

    You are doing a fantastic job by bringing the Sinhalese and Tamils together in this website.

    I wouldn’t be surprised even MR is your fan. The birth days of # 3 (you) and # 9 (MR) gets along well.

    Longing for a permanent peace in my country.

    Cheers.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Thank you. About numerology.Another friend pointed out to me once that MR birth no is 9 and total no 3 while my birth no is 3 and total no 9

  173. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Dear friend Mr. A. Sellathurai:

    Let’s go easy on our mutual friend Leela’s transmogrification. After all, when so many UNPers and SLFPers have changed their entire personality one more matters very little. Then again, don’t forget the man sings Kollywood songs and his favourite is Shivaji Ganesan. So,in many ways, he’s nammada aal.

    Did you see that old Hollywood movie “Mrs. Doubtfire” (1993?) where Robin Williams did a superb role. Leela comes to mind.

    ISS

  174. Rajiv says:

    #172 DBSJ wrote
    Rajiv, is this engineers surname begin and with M?
    _________________________________________

    DBS, you are correct. He knew you as well.

  175. Ratna says:

    ??? Another distant mirage
    ??? Beyond that another ocean of tears.

  176. sjoseph says:

    158. Navin | December 13th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    146. sjoseph:

    Oh we can do much better. By just stripping the official language status from Tamil, it won’t be misused by the state anywhere. Tamils only have to give the go ahead and Sinhalese will be very happy to arrange that for you

    —————

    Go ahead.. Tamil is a misfit for Srilanka.

    You have stripped Tamil women. Stripping Tamil should matter to anyone.

  177. Godzilla says:

    With the” elected leader amendment” in place Ranil is putting another trap to fool the followers and save his a..e.

    TNA is specifically targeted with the appointment of Mrs Maheshwaran as one of the three lieutenants to mobilize the masses.

    The first mass rally is planned fto coincide with the election anniversary of the President.

    He says he is using the young members to bring out the masses to do his dirty work.

    He has covered all bases with Ravi Karunanayaka taking care of the Christian sector and hoping to do the same to the gullible rural Sinhalese with Sajith Premadasa.

    The latter who has openly dissociated himself from War Crime allegations against the Government and has expressed his desire to send Mr Wickremasinghe to pastures ,would not be dumb to sallow this bait.

    I am not sure about the TNA, as they have a good record of falling prey to schemers including the recent debacle ,dilly dallying with Ex Gen Fonseka.

    If the TNA take the bait and participate in anti Government rallies and agitations which are bound to create violence, which the UNP and JVP are very good at.the general Tamil populace will be dragged into an unnecessary confrontation with the Government.

  178. Navin says:

    177. sjoseph:

    Tamil is a misfit for Srilanka.

    ——

    Really? What a shame.

    ——

    You have stripped Tamil women. Stripping Tamil should matter to anyone.

    —–

    Do you think been stripped matters to these people?

    http://www.spur.asn.au/extra/LTTE_Tamil_Tiger_Atrocities_Photos_01.htm

  179. an elam citizen says:

    ஈழத்துப்பண்

    வாழ்க ஈழத்தமிழகம் வாழ்க இனிது வாழ்கவே
    மலை நிகர்திவ் வுலகில் என்றும் தலை நிமிர்ந்து வாழ்கவே

    அமுதை வென்ற மொழிஇனள் அருள் கனிந்த விழியினள்
    அரியபண்பு நெறியினள் அவனி மெச்சும் மதியினள்mamathai
    மமதை கொண்ட பகைவரும் வணங்கும் அன்பு விதியினள்
    வளரும்45 இலட்சம் மக்கள் கொண்ட பதியினள்

    வாழ்க ஈழத்தமிழகம் வாழ்க இனிது வாழ்கவே
    மலை நிகர்திவ் வுலகில் என்றும் தலை நிமிர்ந்து வாழ்கவே

    வானம் பாடி போல மீன் கானம் பாடும் வாவிகள்
    மலர் கனி குலுங்கிடும் எழில் மிகுந்த சோலைகள்
    தேனும் பாலும் பாய்ந்திடசெந்நெல் விழையும் களனிகள்
    தெய்வ கற்பகதருக்கள் உயவளிக்கும் மாநிலம்

    வாழ்க ஈழத்தமிழகம் வாழ்க இனிது வாழ்கவே
    மலை நிகர்திவ் வுலகில் என்றும் தலை நிமிர்ந்து வாழ்கவே

    பட்டி பளை மகாவலி பயிலருவி முத்தறுகள்
    பல வளங்கள் பொழியவே எழில் நடஞ்செய்துலவிடும்
    மட்டக்களப்பு யாழ்நகர் மாந்தை வன்னி திருமலை
    மகிழ்வோடு மலைத்தமிழர்கள் மலரடி தொழும் இனியவள்

    வாழ்க ஈழத்தமிழகம் வாழ்க இனிது வாழ்கவே
    மலை நிகர்திவ் வுலகில் என்றும் தலை நிமிர்ந்து வாழ்கவே

  180. sjoseph says:

    179. Navin

    Strip each other. what a graceful people..

  181. Theja Jayasekara says:

    137 – Shankar.
    Sorry your statement about a seperate kingdom of tamil people never existed in history & cannot be proved. The 13th amendment has been already tested in sinhala areas & found to be a white elephant wasting public money. As I mentioned earlier it is a misinterpretation to say that tamils are at the mercy of the majority. We all who do not belong to the ruling class are at the mercy of a minority who enjoy all resources of the country. This is what we should get together and change. For that we all need to think as Srilankans not divided on a racial basis.

  182. BunkerRat says:

    Ooops… Karuna spills the bitter beans!

    http://print.dailymirror.lk/news/front-page-news/29846.html

    Those who financed and fed Tamil terrorists and unleashed them to kill Sri Lankans should rot in hell… after a long bout of suffering in this world.

  183. rajeewa says:

    Can’t u separate these comments into headed columns?
    one for “thank u / excellent article” kind of stuff, one for stupid comments and one for the interesting comments?

    No……….DBSJ

  184. Mario says:

    MR GOVERMENT AND SINHALESE HAVE NO COCERN WHATSOEVER REGARDING POLITICAL SOLUTION…SARATH FONESKA SAID IT RIGHT “CURRENT GOVERMENT ACTIVITIES WILL LEAD TO THE BIRTH OF ANOTHER PRABHAKARAN”.

  185. Selva says:

    Hi Ranjan, Thanks for your response, we are negotiating since 1956 with them still it seems like president is going to drag the negotiation for years.

  186. Mahesh says:

    182. Theja Jayasekara

    What about the Jaffna Kingdom.

  187. Selva says:

    Dear Diyasena,
    You are the one put forward the most perfect proposal. Whether you divide the North and East according to population ratio or just identify the Sinhalese living area Muslims living area and the Tamils living area it is same because the sinhalese occupy more land than their proportion. Not only that, they can use the maximum amount of river water because they live inward. If dividing according to the population ratio it should be done according to the 1981 census because the government used the war to wipe out the Tamils. Many Tamil villages were destroyed and new Sinhalese villages were created.
    Foreign investments has to come only on industries not on real estate because the Tamils living abroad will buy houses in Colombo and it will create further tension between the communities.
    Even in industries we cannot just allow foreign investments without considering the environmental problems it could cause. Indian big fat investors were waiting for the war to end to invest in Wind farms and to send electricity to India. If they put these sky scraping Wind turbines from Putlam to Poonarin it will block the gathering of the clouds from Madawachi to Jaffna peninsula. If they put it along the A9 it will kill all the birds in the Jungle. If the birds disappear the jungle will automatically disappear. Not only that after about 20 years due to constant vibration it received for years the masts will collapse at once and fall. So nobody will be able to walk in these areas. So we shouldn’t allow this type of foreign investments.
    Instead of that we cam make smaller size roof top turbines which could produce 10 t0 50 KWs and the Diasporas could invest in this.

    Try to write about your proposal in some news paper in Sri Lanka.

  188. Roaming cat says:

    183. BunkerRat | December 14th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Ooops… Those people who pushed Tamils to the wall and SJVC to say only god will help Tamils and created VP and LTTE and still asking what grievances Tamils have should rot in hell… after repeated long bouts of suffering in this world.

  189. Roaming cat says:

    169. Dilshan F | December 13th, 2010 at 6:31 pm,

    That is what we Tamils had been asking since 1948 from you (Sinhala) rulers all we had were 1956,1958.1961,1977,1983 not only those we in the North and East had the brunt of the near 99% Sinhala police and Army brutality. This has made the God fearing and conservative Tamil youths mind became hard, rebilious and militant. And this reaction of self defence initioly became out of controll and spiralled up wards.Even at this late stage if we ignore the cause and talk rabbish the consequences will be disasterous.

  190. Roaming cat says:

    Regarding National antham If MR is a very clever and honest in making reconsiliation why not stop singing national antham in Sinhala and allow only in Tamil. As in India the national antham is sung in Bengali not in Hindi.

  191. Diyasena says:

    #187 Mahesh,

    “What about the Jaffna Kingdom”

    Firstly the only document left behind by the Jaffna Kingdom is in Sinhalese, so it’s a bit suss to call it a ‘Tamil’ Kingdom.

    Secondly, the borders of the Jaffna Kingdom encompassed only part of the Northern Province and virttrually none of the Eastern province.. If the call for devolution was based on these borders the problem would have been solved long ago..

  192. Diyasena says:

    Dear Selva,

    ‘Try to write about your proposal in some news paper in Sri Lanka’

    It will be part of a larger submission by me to the ‘Lessons Learnt & Reconciliation Commission’

  193. Mohan says:

    I agree with DBSJ that LTTE has caused great damage to Tamils

  194. Mohan says:

    LTTE did big blunder by shutting down DBSJ Tamil paper. By this they made him re-enter English journalism and get wide international exposure

  195. Godzilla says:

    Comment 188,

    Wind Turbines is the cleanest source of energy and best suited to the North East to provide Electricity..

    This technology is widely accepted in the Diaspora lands,

    Srilanka will not allow the Indians to exploit the new found freedom and peaceful environment to fleece the country.

    Wth China as the main pillar ,this is assured.

    Going by the recent info from Wiki leaks even Singaporeans have not much hope of India calling the shots in the world stage.

    There won,t be any divisions in Srilanka.

    All her citizens will share what ever she has,

    The Diaspora will be most welcome to buy properties in Colombo.

    Sinhalese wouldn’t mind it a bit as long as they do not harbor undesirables in them like what happened in the past.

    Diaspora must also consider investing in the East and the North where we have pristine beaches and nearly untouched land with magnificent ocean views.

    If they hold off any longer there won’t be any good spots left , going by what we see in Kalpitiya.

  196. Godzilla says:

    Comment 190,

    Your God fearing Conservative Tamil youth were brain washed to become killing machines without any thinking and reasoning.

    Today they are all dead although the ones who had connections escaped to Foreign Lands.

    Only the poor. the vulnerable and the uneducated due to military service for the LTTE are left behind.

    If you are planning to use them again it will need a hell of a lot more than in the past for obvious reasons.

    The English speaking adopted countries of the Diaspora only want their vote in marginal seats.

    That wouldn’t be sufficient collateral to train and arm insurgents to fight in Asian Continent.

  197. Mohan says:

    #172Rajiv
    The “boys” taking up arms was not the issue
    Where the “boys” lost was they didn’t know when and how to give up arms and compromise on the cause.But by then lots of boys and girls have sacrificed their life for the so called cause.

    SJV and GG times is productive. During their time we had intellectual Sinhala politicians who showed their intellect and oratory inside the parliament but behaving like thugs outside . Now we have thugs who have given up pretending to be intellectuals inside the parliament.

    Parliament got ruined when LTTE sent thugs like Gajendran and Sivajilingam as MP’s under TNA banner

    The damage that LTTE did still remains with us as DBSJ correctly points out

  198. Mohan says:

    Velupillai Prabhakaran born on nov 26th 1954. Lalith Athulathmudali born on Nov 26th 1936

    Both people same birth number 8 & same total number 2

    That is why both similiar personality and both died in violence

  199. Dilshan F says:

    #190 Roaming Cat, I tend to agree with you. Language problems added to police brutality would make most people uneasy and uncomfortable. Hower one road ( youth militancy ) was followed by not only tamils but also sinhalese youth. Both led by individuals VP and RV. After a while power takes over. thats where everything goes wrong. I think both of us will agree that the LTTE massacred innocent border villagers and ordinary people in trains busses and buildings. These things are still burning in the memory of the people in the south as well as the innocent people caught up in the middle of a war zone. I do not think we can argue which was worse. But we both can agree that firstly no to violence, secondly economic upliftment of all people. Third one – self rule ect I leave to you to decide as it really does not matter to me who rules the country i live in as long as the first two are there.

  200. Dilshan F says:

    #190 Roaming cat,

    You should really see the pictures contained in this web site.

    http://www.spur.asn.au/extra/ltteatrp.htm. nobody wants this.

    Nobody wants this to happen to anyone, not tamil not singhalese not muslim.

  201. Govirala says:

    Comment 191,

    The Government is doing a great job in reconciliation aspect even without your” brilliant” suggestion.

    40 ex Tiger combatants qualify for University for next intake.

    170 Ex Tiger combatants sit for the OL Exams starting now.

    I wonder how much money the Diaspora sent these kids to achieve these outcomes?.

  202. shankar says:

    #192-diyasena
    Secondly, the borders of the Jaffna Kingdom encompassed only part of the Northern Province and virttrually none of the Eastern province
    —————————————————-

    When the portuguese conquered the jaffna kingdom it encompassed most of the current northern province, a small part of the eastern province in the north and a small portion of puttallam.

    As for portuguese writing the surrender treaty in sinhalese, the victors can do whatever they want, doesn’t mean anything.Probably a message sent to the kandyan kingdom. Don’t forget that the kandyan and jaffna kingdoms were in alliance against the kotte kingdom which was handed on a platter to the portuguese more or less as a gift by the king. It was the pandyas who ruled the jaffna kingdom and killed the malay invador chandrabanu when he attacked the south. Since the pandyas were allies of the kandyan kingdom there must have been a lot of sinhalese holding prominent positions in the jaffna kingdom and vise versa in the kandyan one. Just like the treaty was in sinhalese does not mean that jaffna kingdom was not a tamil one as just because pandya princes starting with senerath were the kings of kandy, the kandyan kingdom was not a sinhalese one.

  203. shankar says:

    Diyasena

    sorry made a mistake as i’am sure you are aware of . The nayyakar princes who ruled the kandyan kingdom started with sri vijaya raja singha, and not senarat as i mentioned earlier. the point iam trying to make is that the fact that a tamil was a king or a treaty was in sinhalese does not overide well recorded historical facts that the jaffna kingdom was tamil and the kandyan was sinhalese though there was close ties between the two.

  204. Diyasena says:

    #199 Mohan,

    Lalith Athulathmudali won the highest amount of prizes at Royal College (at that time) and was a chairman of oxford union. The butcher of Valvetithurai/ Valivetithera was a mediocre school drop out..

    Lalith gave poor Sri Lankan youth the Mahapola fund to support their higher education (which some of the ex-LTTE combatants who did well in A/L will also get). Prabha gave the poor Tamil youth cyanide capsules and suicide jackets..

    Lalith Athulathmudali was more the ilk of the present president. Had he and Denzil Kobbekaduwa (who was a far greater military leader than Fonseka) got together the war may have ended in the early-mid nineties. But alas, the stars, numbers or whatever were not aligned at the time..

  205. Diyasena says:

    #203 & 204 Shankar,

    “As for portuguese writing the surrender treaty in sinhalese, the victors can do whatever they want, doesn’t mean anything.Probably a message sent to the kandyan kingdom. Don’t forget that the kandyan and jaffna kingdoms were in alliance against the kotte kingdom which was handed on a platter to the portuguese more or less as a gift by the king”

    When the treaty was signed in 1560s the Kandyan Kingdom had not even begun its ascent. The Kandyan ruler Karaliyedde Bandara was a tribute paying vassal of King Mayadunne of Sitawaka (as Jaffna was to Kotte at the time)..

    “there must have been a lot of sinhalese holding prominent positions”

    The Portuguese mention the presence of Cingaleze in the army, court and general populace of Jaffna. They also mention the Buddhist temples in Kantharodai/ Kandurgoda and Achchuveli/ Athuruvella as well as a chief Buddhist priest / Maha Therunnase of the Jaffna Kingdom.. Also they note the royal flag of Jaffna has a Lion not Nandi the cow on it..

    “does not overide well recorded historical facts that the jaffna kingdom was tamil”

    Something becomes a fact only when there is evidence to back it up. Without archaelogical or literary evidence it is a theory at best.

    “When the portuguese conquered the jaffna kingdom it encompassed most of the current northern province”

    The coastal areas yes. But not the inland. At the time of Senarath, when Jaffna Kingdom is fully absorbed as a Portuguese colony Omanthai/ Omandha was under the Kandyan Kingdom, which means parts of the Wanni inland were. The Dutch records (which come a few decades later) place the borders of the Kandyan Kingdom just below Elephant pass/ Alimankada..

  206. Don says:

    DBSJ RESPONDS:No decision was taken by cabinet so far to abolish Tamil version of national anthem…………

    Dear Bloggers, .If the Tamils cannot sing our national anthem in Tamil, I think it is a grave injustice to the Tamils. If that is the case, we Singhalese are not taking them into our fold but telling them, yes you are a srilankan like us but just stand a little far off from us!! I only hope this will not happen. If it does, then MR and the crowd are small petty minded idiots.

  207. Don says:

    167. Mohan | you are full of contradiction. on one hand you say your friend was transferred simply because he offended a sinhalease minister and then you say another sinhalease helped him out…Then blame LTTE
    I am not a LTTE supporter but it seems you want to blame LTTE for everything.
    However Maithiripala was a cultured man. Can you imagine the present crop of uneducated thugs helping you out with a telephone call…..
    ———————————————————————-

    You did not read me properly. It is correct that a Singhalese minister was arrogant and another Singhalese minister helped the Tamil guy out. There is no contradiction in this because this is what really happened. But 1.5 years after this episode I think, the LTTE murdered Jaffna mayor Duraiappah and the reign of LTTE started. They progressively killed all the moderate Tamils or silenced them. They gave the picture to moderate Singhalese that Tamils can be blood thirsty inconsiderate people when they were not like that. Because the LTTE cooked the goose for the Tamils, Tamils have now ended up with thugs like Karuna, Douglas and Pilliyan representing the Tamil people. I blame the LTTE and other Tamils who kept silent for this. Tamils before LTTE had some great Ministers in the Sinhala cabinet. They were articulate and educated. But LTTE just did not understand this. Therefore if any Tamil still follows LTTE’s frame of mind and continue the line of confrontational politics, I don’t think they have a chance. Tamils must do some soul searching now and be honest and take stock of what happened in the past and try to map out a better path for the future rather than go on blaming the Singhalese. I am not saying Singhalese are without blame but before blaming other we got to clean up our own back yard.

  208. Don says:

    174. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan  | Let’s go easy on our mutual friend Leela’s transmogrification. .Did you see that old Hollywood movie “Mrs. Doubtfire” (1993?) where Robin Williams did a superb role. Leela comes to mind.

    —————————————————————————

    I am sure you will agree with me that there is nothing wrong for a man to take the name Leela and write to this blog as so many do not use their own name in this blog. It gives people the freedon to say what they want without another fellow trying to victimise the contributor. This is one good point in this blog. Robin Williams is a very talented actor while for a man to write in a womens name does not need that amount of talent. Is it the same with Shankar?

  209. Ranjan,Toronto says:

    The people who goes on and on about how SL is a “failed state” should read the UN report on world population that was released yesterday:

    Sri Lanka has once again emerged as the most successful country in South Asia in healthcare delivery, recording extremely high indicators in Infant Mortality, Life Expectancy and Maternal Mortality, ‘The State of World Population 2010’ (Report) issued by the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) said yesterday.According to the Report all other countries in South Asia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and Maldives lag much behind Sri Lanka in respect of these important health and social indicators.

    The Infant Mortality Rate per thousand births in India in 2010 was 52, Pakistan 61, Bhutan 41, Nepal 38 and Maldives 20 while Sri Lanka had only 15 deaths which was highly satisfactory.

    The Maternal Mortality rate per 100,000 births stood at a high 830 in Nepal while in India it was 450, Bangladesh 570, Pakistan 320, Maldives 120 with Sri Lanka only 58 mother deaths.

    The life expectancy in India respectively for male and female was 62 / 66 years, Bangladesh 68 years for both, Pakistan 66 / 67, Nepal 66 / 68, Maldives 70 / 74 and Sri Lanka was 71 and 74 years.

    The country with most dismal indicators in the world, Afghanistan records 152 infant deaths per 1,000 births and 1,800 maternal deaths per 100,000. The life expectancy in Afghanistan is only 44 for both sexes.
    Some of the best countries to live in, Sweden, Australia and Switzerland, the Infant Mortality rate, Maternal Morality rate and Life Expectancy stood respective at 3, 3 and 79 / 83, 4, 4 and 79 / 84 and 4, 5, and 79 / 84

  210. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Diyasena (#192) You are far too well endowed and read not to repeat the Goebellesian fallacy “a lie repeated a thousand times will eventually become the truth” It does not – at least not in the long run. Eastern Province – that encompassed even the Kadirgamam area in the deep South until recent decades – was part of the Tamil part of the Island. “Borders” was a feature usually determined by the Kings/Queens/Rulers of the time. They were as much Tamil as Sinhala – and even Tamil Indian from across the Straits. But men like Gamini Irriyagolle concocted their own theories that the East belonged to the Kandyan kings always. Lalith Athulathmudali took the baton from there and the Sinhala supremacist cabal, of which you also appear to be articulative here, continues to harp this parrot-like. The thinking from the 1948s has been if forced colonisation,initially, is forced with State
    resources over a period of time the majority Tamils in the EP can be rendered a minority – and then the next phase of the operation can continue to make minorities the Tamils of the North. EP is now taken over and
    the Northern Province is under “attack” That both have former Army men as the Political Commissars carries its own story. But remember, lLANGUAGE AND CULTURE are the more convinging and determining factors of people and the land they call their own in theatres of disagreement. Independent studies done by respected academics like Prof Gananath Obeseyekera, Sudarshan Seneviratne and Shiran Deraniyagala tell a different story. In the obtaining
    culture of intimidation and thuggery of various forms, it is known these distinguished learned men of acknowledged internationaln recognition have been”approached” ???

    Reader’s in these pages have said a formulae can be the 1981 Census. With due respect, I believe this will be unfair by the majority Tamils of the EP. I would rather
    the 1948 census – when the Sinhalese took over political power and edged out the Tamils. Take the case of Trincomalee District. Whereas they and the Muslims were well over 90% (?) at Independence they are now the 3rd community in terms of numbes there. Demographic Engineering at its best – say Lankan watchers. Sarath Fonseka and
    many Sinhala leaders of today firmly believee and announced Tamils in the North as well should be made such to fall in line with that fond theory of Harry Jayawardena, QC to “keep the Tamils below a MANAGEABLE 10% – a nice round figure to Sinhala chauvinistic ears. Tamils beg to differ.

    ISS

  211. Mohan says:

    #205 Diyasena
    what matters where you get to not where you come from.
    They both got to the same destination

  212. Ananda-USA says:

    LTTE Sun-God worshippers, still on their SUICIDAL warpath, are turning on India AGAIN!

    Will they EVER LEARN?

    Don’t hold your breath for it!

    ………….

    LTTE plans to attack Singh

    The Indian Intelligence Bureau has issued alert this evening that LTTE is planning to assassinate Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Indian media reports said.

    The LTTE, which is almost on the verge of a wipe out, is trying to regroup and planning to launch spectacular strikes on high-profile targets like Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Home Minister P Chidambaram and Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi.

    According to an intelligence input, some cadres of the LTTE, who escaped the wrath of the Sri Lankan Army during the all-out operations in the island nation earlier this year, were trying to regroup in India and planning attacks on top political leaders, particularly when they travel in Tamil Nadu.”

  213. Navin says:

    211. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:

    I would rather
    the 1948 census – when the Sinhalese took over political power and edged out the Tamils. Take the case of Trincomalee District. Whereas they and the Muslims were well over 90% (?) at Independence they are now the 3rd community in terms of numbes there. Demographic Engineering at its best – say Lankan watchers.
    ————-

    I’m not going to comment about 211. Yet, I wonder what you think of demographic re-engineering done by the British in central hills and which census we ought to use to fix the problem.

  214. Selva says:

    Dear Diyasena,
    Thanks for your reply. I have some more thinks to tell you because you are going to meet the lesson learnt commission. Giving land power to the provinces is the mayor problem to the Sinhalese because the Sinhalese always thinks land means, that has to be delivered to people for agriculture. In 2005 we had only 29.9% forest cover and the deforestation was still continuing. Tamilnadu our neighbouring country where people live for hundreds of thousands years have 17.4% forest reserve and year by year they are expanding it. Why can’t we stop deforestation at least at this stage. Northern province is the place where there are more forest than any other province because only Vavuniya district and Kilinochi districts are fertile lands and irrigable. In Vavuniya district southern half is Sinhala area. Rest of the land in the North is good for forest only because not only not much fertile also no water to irrigate. If 50% of northern province is forest if the government says to the Northern provincial council to maintain 48% of the land as forest and rest 2% of state land only could be used for provincial use, only obstruction to find a solution will be solved and the Sinhalese will be happy.

  215. Ranjan,Toronto says:

    207. Don
    Totally agree.

  216. Whistle Blower says:

    DBSJ

    I didn’t encourage “action heroes” or instigate violence in Srilanka. I found some of the comments made by some individuals in Tamil names were unbearable and sickening that made me to write something to make them aware of their right that’s all. I don’t think Tamils in vanni, Jaffna or east bother about these ‘craps’ we write here or have the right to exercise their rights for that matter. I know the dangers posed on our people by the Rajabaksa’s government.

    After all, we all here are ‘vocal warriors’. I write in the hope of some thing good will happen to my people by making it aware to the wider audience.

    I sincerely want the dating between Sampanther(Tamil)-Mahinda(sinhla) leaders to be successful, if anybody wants, I can recommend some good dating agencies. But genuinely I have my reservations on this proposed dating. This is a classic Rajabaksa ploy to deceive the world and divide the Tamils.

    As you aware in the history of srilanka amendments and pacts made today are abolished in the future. The two third majorities can cause havoc in Tamil people’s life unless a ‘protective mechanism’ is in place to safe guard the Tamil people’s dignified existence in their ‘traditional habitat’ or anywhere else in Srilanka for that matter.

    God saves Tamils.

  217. Mohan says:

    #213 Ananda_USA
    Come on and wake up.
    what excuse has Sri Lanka to continue their emergency rule. and India to continue to woo Karunanidhi

  218. Mohan says:

    No decision was taken by cabinet so far to abolish Tamil version of national anthem…………

    The fact the cabinet even discussed this is diabolical enough

  219. Godzilla says:

    —Comment 210–

    Life Expectancy @ 70 plus puts us in the same league as the the Swiss, the Swedes and the Aussies.

    After 70 the extensions are mostly health care life style.

    Not bad going for a country ravaged by 30 years of War waged with the support of the West.

    Growth rate now running at 8% plus , we will soon be approaching the Distinction category.

    I wonder what the DOOM & GLOOM peddlers have to say?

    Thank you Ranjan .

  220. j.muthu says:

    For a change another golden globe one and only tamil
    AR RAHMAN
    ENJOY THIS
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE3KA7DdhQQ

  221. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Navin (#214) As far as I know the British did not indulge in demographic engineering. If you are thinking of imported labour that’s a different story and well documented. Let me just say thanks to those humble and hardworking folk generations of this country of all communities benefited from their blood and toil in that the fruits of their labour went to meet most of our social welfare bills. They still do.

    ISS

  222. Anonymous says:

    #209-don

    Robin Williams is a very talented actor while for a man to write in a womens name does not need that amount of talent. Is it the same with Shankar?
    —————————————————
    These rotten male chauvenist pigs won’t give me even time to comment on this blog. In bettween their frigging meetings on the future course of eelam as a superpower for which i have to make thosai and vadai, i just manage to put in a comment. When i bring the food i can hear them talking whether to expand eelam into india and indonesia and they do not have the courtesy to even ask me what i think, only grab the vadai. Anyway better than sinhalese me who will grab and grope me instead of the food. have to be thankful of small mercies,aney.

  223. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Ananda (#213) The mentally imbalanced still live amongst us. In the US you are forced to watch a lot of action TV – and this can be a subconscious fear arising therefrom. I am waiting to hear the story Prabakaran, Kittu and friends will attack Planet Earth from anothr part of the galaxy – funded, of course, by the Dias-porawa – the latest enemy of the Sinhala race.

    ISS

  224. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Don (#209) I am with you here. We travel in the same trajectory. But since then Leela has explained why she became he, although another reader also pointed out the gender factor could have been cleared up earlier. But again, why waste our time on trivia. Leela, I must admit, is a strident voice for the Sinhala side and in many ways enriches decent debate.

    ISS

  225. Rama says:

    Looks like Mahinda is yet to appoint the joint mechanisms. Taking the TNA for a ride again?

  226. samarasekara says:

    211. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan  |  December 15th, 2010 at 10:23
    —————-
    You are so cunning to fabricate bogest things as history facts. Do you think you are so clever enought to do this by by adding Gananatha Obesekara and S.Senaviratne and eleminating Gaminie Iriagolla. Why you are not trying to include Wicrkmabahu Karunaratne and Jayalath Jayawardane. Both too are just like as previous names.

    If Eastern province was not under controll in kandy king how he make facilities to settle muslims who brutally victimised by poortugies in southern coastel area.

    I think your task is just like the task which loanched by Iranavatham Mahadevan in India. In year 1958-61 he also trying to fabricate bogest tamil heritage in southern India.

    samarasekara

  227. Diyasena says:

    #211 ISS,

    ” Eastern Province – that encompassed even the Kadirgamam area in the deep South until recent decades – was part of the Tamil part of the Island”

    Lies and damned lies

    And what’s your evidence for that, a broken piece of pottery? LOL.. The archaeological evidence stands upright to show that their was no TAMIL or SINHALA parts in the island. This is myth derived in the 20th century by the Tamil tribal elitists (which based on the condescending manner you are the modern continuum of)..

    “But remember, lLANGUAGE AND CULTURE are the more convinging and determining factors of people and the land they call their own in theatres of disagreement.”

    You are like ‘Lucy’ from ’50 first dates’. I replied to this point of yours before in another post. Say hypothetically if the government resettles Sinhalese in the North to bring back the pre-colonial status quo. In hundred years everyone will be speaking Sinhala in the North and most will be Buddhists.. Then based on LANGUAGE and CULTURE one can say that there were never any Tamils living there.

    Language and culture can change in a matter of DECADES. Archaeological evidence stand for MILLENNIA.

    “But men like Gamini Irriyagolle concocted their own theories that the East belonged to the Kandyan kings always. Lalith Athulathmudali took the baton from there and the Sinhala supremacist cabal, of which you also appear to be articulative here, continues to harp this parrot-like”

    As usual, you just bray some trash about people who lived a few years ago and say because they were so and so (in your whiskey-diluted petty tribalist mind), what they said is not true (Argumentum ad hominem)

    It’s the Portuguese and Dutch writers that say the East and the Wanni inlands were under the control of the Kandyan Kingdom..

    (maybe Messrs. Iriyagolle and Athulathmudali got hold of Marty Mcfly and went back in time influence them with those theories ae? ;) )

    It is the government’s prerogative to use state land to address population pressures in any part of the country. No Tamil or Muslim was displaced from private lands, when resettling poor Sinhalese who were deprived access to these provinces under the divide and rule policy,enforced by the colonial masters and their local pet poodles. They were redressing 3 centuries worth of demographic engineering done by the Dutch and the British. Similarly if the population pressures emerge in Jaffna, it will be the governments job to give land to the landless elsewhere in the country.

    Speaking of demographic engineering, what have you to say about Rajiv # 172 (on top of the Redd Barna sponsored estate Tamil colonizations of the Wanni)? What’s good for the goose is not good for the gander ae?

  228. Rajiv says:

    #172
    DBS, I just got off the phone with the engineer’s son J (he was my classmate at a university in Canada). He was quite surprised that anyone would remember his late father or the work he did. J told me to convey to you that he felt honored that someone of your stature still remembers his dad. J said it is quite possible that you visited their house on a number of occasions during your time in Batticaloa (he must have been very young then…so he doesn’t know for sure) .

    DBSJ RESPONDS:
    I worked for 3 months in 1977 as “Virakesari” staff correspondent in Batticaloa (substitute for VS Kathirgamathamby).

    It was then that I met Engineer M. He along with people like Sam Thambimuthu, Dr.Rajan Chelliah, Addl GA N.Pathmanathan etc were doing some great work in rehabilitating and resettling victims of 1977 july violence

    My regards to M’s son

  229. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Diyasena (#228) I will not stoop to your low levels of personal abuse.

    To make a long thing short let me take this comment from you “..no Tamil or Muslim was displaced from private lands..” I will allow readers to make their judgements on your credibility. They will decide who is lying and who not.

    Take time to read Mangala Samaraweera’s address to Parliament last week where he pleads the case of Tamils; where he points out in the intake of low level jobs in the State sector in the Tamil areas Tamils have been totally left out. We read today Army-aided Sinhala traders from the South have set “invaded” far away Mannar. That this happened in Jaffna is now well known. What many see now are these are deliberate acts to provoke Tamils in the North and East to result in a blood-bath so that the Govt’s nakedness in failing in the Cost of Living issue and other pledges in the Mahinda Chintanaya will be used as a fig leaf.

    ISS

  230. Godzilla says:

    — Comment 224—-

    To imply that the Indian Intelligence operators are mentally imbalanced is an unpatriotic attitude coming from a person whose has close ties to that country through direct ancestry.

    They may be watching Americal Terrorist Movies as part of their training.

    Going by the Daily Mirror headline, LTTE sleepers in Tamil Nadu. backed by the Diaspora resources are the biggest threat to the life of the current Indian Leadership.

    Threats must be in the order of Red Alert stage for the Intelligent services to specically say that the LTTE is planning to assasinate Dr Manmohan Singh.

    Following the elimation of the Tigers from SL soil ,some Tamil Nadu Politicians have opeopenly embraced them.

    The speeches of the Defece Sec recently that was immediately followed by the Army Chief today indicate that there won’t be any room for any Teroorists on Srilankan soil.

    The Diaspora who is becoming more and more defiant and militant as demostrated in London has to let the steam off soon.

    The next best target obviously is the Indian leaders that the Intelligence agents have puclicly identified.

    One does not need to be Dr Gunaratna’s calibre to work this out.

  231. Navin says:

    222. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:

    Navin (#214) As far as I know the British did not indulge in demographic engineering.

    ———

    Agreed. Brits did not indulge in demographic change. But let me rephrase my question. Didn’t Brits bringing in cheap labor from Tamil Nadu result in demographic change? Is the situation faced by Sinhalese any different from the situation you describe with regard to “colonization”? What is the analogous cause of action for the Sinhalese to remedy the problem?

    ——–

    If you are thinking of imported labor that’s a different story and well documented.

    ——–

    Please don’t dodge the question. I expect an honest answer.

    ——–

    Let me just say thanks to those humble and hardworking folk generations of this country of all communities benefited from their blood and toil in that the fruits of their labour went to meet most of our social welfare bills. They still do.

    ——–

    Long before British came, our people were able to foot our own social welfare bills. To say that if not for estate Tamils we would not be able to take care of our own welfare bills is an insult to people of this country who built a 2000 year old civilization.

    Had the Brits not changed the very foundations of the economy of this country to suite their interests, the economy would have taken its natural cause of evolution as it had done for millennia. Estates and Indian Tamils are part of our economy today because they were both trust upon us by the Brits. We are stuck with them whether we like it or not. The way you interpret things, we ought to be thankful to both
    Brits and Indian Tamils for giving us our bread and butter!

  232. A. Sellathurai says:

    To Post 174 by ISS:

    Sir, I have not seen the movie “Mrs. Doubtfire”.

    I wish Leela to be loyal to what Thondaman stood for. No ill will or disrespect intended against L.

    A. Sellathurai

  233. Godzilla says:

    —Comment 230—

    40 ex LTTE combatants did well at the the AL and qualified to enter Uni.

    I know several kids who have done well but can’t get in because of the standardization in favor of the disadvantaged areas

    170 ex combatants are sitting for the OL exams right now.

    This is in less than 2 years after they left the battle field.

    How many graduates did the LTTE produce over the 30 years these people were kept captive???

    Where are the Human Rightists?

    Tamils colonized Colombo big time for a long time .

    They are the majority in the Capital.No one made any noises .Did they???

    Few Sinhalese in Mannar is an invasion of mammoth proportions if you believe this poster.

    Jaffan is already a Sinhala strong hold.

    Is he instigating a blood bath by the Tamils in these areas?

    Innocent Tamils who found freedom recently are quite content to live peacefully according to what we hear from the Tamil people themselves.

    They have no problems having Sinhalese among them.

    The few LTTE sympathizers and their political reps may be receptive to this sort of utterances.

    Come on mate. respect the intelligence of the participants here.

    Then again I wonder whether these comments are aimed at the Western Diaspora backers and their NGOs.as well?

  234. Diyasena says:

    #232 Navin,

    “Agreed. Brits did not indulge in demographic change”

    On the contrary. Whilst the stated aim was bringing in labour, it did significantly alter the demographics of the Kandyan territories, which had already had part of it’s territories chopped and attached to the Northern and Eastern provinces. In a similar vein one could interprete that the resettlement schemes in the East, were aimed at increasing agricultural productivity.

  235. Diyasena says:

    #230 ISS,

    “he points out in the intake of low level jobs in the State sector in the Tamil areas Tamils have been totally left out.”

    Were they left out or did they not apply? You can’t force people to join the public service. On this blog previously I have called for a quota of public sector jobs for people from the North and East, over the next 5 years. Maybe instead of pontificating to us you could tell your ‘personal friend’ to do something about it

    “We read today Army-aided Sinhala traders from the South have set “INVADED” FAR AWAY Mannar.”

    How far away is Mannar?? Mannar is equally close to Puththalam and Anuradhapura as it is to Jaffna, if not closer.

    And what is their to INVADE?? The traders are setting up shop in a part of the country, of which they are citizens of? If Tamils traders can do business in Colombo and other parts of the country why cannot Sinhalese in Mannar and Jaffna? Only vile racists like yourself can oppose to that.

    If you think a handful of traders in Jaffna and Mannar is an invasion, I am telling you now mate.
    YOU AIN’T SEEN NOTHING YET..

  236. Gavin says:

    123. Mahesh///////99. Gavin.Please try to talk decently, if you can. I can also talk indecently, but I am a decent person living among Tamils. mind your abusive words.Carry on and expose your uncultured nature in the blog////////

    I am indecent because I called your bluff. But decent you have the impertinence to give an ultimatum to the Singhalese people and GOSL. You advice they should come to terms with Tamils or face consequences. Do you have your little finger on India’s nuclear arsenal? Who the hell do you think you are? Does a decent person verbally threaten others? You have said previously  give prabakaren his dues? That is,  give graceful  thanks to thje murderer  for killing his own people and other people? What sort of a decent fellow are you?

  237. an Eelam citizen says:

    #223
    In strategic level meetings normally people won’t ask opinions from servants invariably the servant is a boy or a girl. Any why you are fortunate to provide your service to the Eelam cabinet, in which I pray to, get a job. Be courageous interrupt the meetings and tell your opinion on matters I am sure as Eelam cabinet is working for deprived people your opinions will be appreciated.

  238. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Navin (#232) Tku.

    People and countries evolve with the passage of times and historical imperatives is something you know all too well. When the British colonials discovered Tea/Rubber/Coconut products have much potential then, they decided – based on their success of their investments in the Tea industry in East Indian hills and to meet increasing demand in Europe/North America – to bring tea to the Island.
    For various reasons local labour did not fit into the rigours of the hard work required besides the large numbers needed – and the rest you know.

    When Anagarika Dharmapala and crowd in the 1930s began their anti-Indian campaign, Sinhala thugs physically attacked hundreds of Indian immigrants and stole their assets and properties in many cases. At those times passports and visas were unheard of. All were British subjects. Indian Nationalists – Gandhiji and Nehru included – were infuriated and forced the British to stop the flow of this essential labour to Ceylon. This began to seriously affect the Tea Industry forcing the Ceylon Planters Association to appeal to the British Governor and, I believe, the native dominated State Council to PLEAD WITH INDIA TO HELP IN THE FLOW OF THIS VITALLY NEEDED LABOUR. A Ceylonese delegation went to Delhi to plead the case. One of the members, as I recall reading, was SWRD. I am sure you will want to do your homework from there. This does not sound like demographic engineering, does it.

    The late Gamini Dissanayake and I have had many arguments on the issue. Gamini will say “Yes. They came but we thought they will go back” The fact is, in the initial stages, the terms of the Contract with the Kangany who brought them from his own villages, was that over a period of months they will go back on “furlough”. They did for decades since the early 20th century. By then generations of them have been here and then came the 1948 Citizenship Acts, Passpports, Visa etc., and the rest is history.

    When I called in on the powerful Ven. Maddihe Pannaseeha Gnanaseera Thero (late) with a delegation of the Vishva Hindu Parishad, New Delhi he observed “They came – but they never went back” Driving on our way back to Colombo the leader of the Delegation prophetically observed “there will be a lot of trouble in this country soon”

    Indian migrant labour went to Malaysia, South Africa, Mauritius, the West Indies and other places to work in Sugar and other plantations around the same time. Since then the ruling majorities in those countries made room to integrate them into their new found homes. Some of them have since become Heads of States, Ministers, Supreme Court justices and many other in those countries they call “their Home”
    now. Here we got our Act messed up badly..

    “ …Long before British came, our people were able to foot our own social welfare bills. To say that if not for estate Tamils we would not be able to take care of our own welfare bills is an insult to people of this country who built a 2000 year old civilization…”

    In stating I have said “we would not be able to take care of our own welfare bills is an insult to the (Sinhalese)” you tried to force your wordsI did not use down my throat – that has now become habitual In this national debate. Read my comments when you are in a sober and hate-free mood..

    And you now come with the old story of “2,500 yrs” Surely, the antiquity is not denied but during this period various parts of the Island were ruled by Sinhala and S. Indian kings cannot be denied – and that too until recently. Remember Sembaga Perumal of yore and Nilaperumals of more recent years – who evolved into Sinhala and vote-catching Royalty since then? The Island’s surrender to the British was signed in Tamil with even some of the Kandyan Dissawes doing so. I hate to recall this but there was an observation I faintly recall by Leonard Woolf (?) His description of the natives of that time is appalling.. It is far too demeaning to mention this here.

    I regret your cheap Jibe of “dodging” questions – that is not down my street, my friend.. If you are honest to yourself remove the Tamils words (said to be around 1/3rd) from the Sinhala language and what have you? You may gradually reduce your denial mode of your where you came from and, who you are, which has been quite a mind-boggler to many of you. . What you now want to pretend to have been, , are and will be is, of course, an entirely different story that can excite the world of fiction.

    Finally, let me be clear. I do not suggest or believe one of the two people is superior or higher in whatever way than the other. They both have their cultural depths and achievements to be proud of. I respect – and, in many ways – am part of both emotinally and proud to be so.

    ISS

  239. Anpan says:

    Can’t hide the truth too long DBSJ. You are either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid. Only time will tell.

  240. Palan says:

    230 ISS
    What many see now are these are deliberate acts to provoke Tamils in the North and East to result in a blood-bath so that the Govt’s nakedness in failing in the Cost of Living issue and other pledges in the Mahinda Chintanaya will be used as a fig leaf.

    You have warned correctly.
    There is a nnews report about the attack on a Jaffna bound CTB bus where the passengers were threatened at Kattana and the driver warned not to use that route.

    86. Bala.M

    Good story which need some clarification.(I waited for someone else to point it out)
    Alalasunderam contested Killinotchi in 1972 under ITAK(FP) ticket as KP Ratnam,the sitting MP moved to Kayts and Alal was defeated by Anandasangaree from TC.
    In 1977 he contested in Kopay under TULF ticket and won comfortably.

    TULF was formed in between and you are probably referring to the Mannar by election(good old days) after the death of Alahakoon, where FP under the TULF banner lost to UNP by a few votes.
    The indirect outcome of the election was, UNP’s Devanayagam withdrawing his support toTULF(TUF at that time) and Thondaiman edging out from the Co-chairmanship of TULF.
    Technically Thondaman remained the sole Chairman of TULF for some period after the death of SJV & GG.
    He used his closeness to TULF while in the Government as a bargaining tool to get the maximum for his people. This Carrot & Stick approach was also used successfully by Ashraff.

    Referring to SJV & Vaddukoddai resolution, the first politician who spoke of Eelam(he spelled it Elam or Elom) was C.Suntharalingam, who was double crossed by DS & crowd after independence from the British. He resigned his Ministerial portfolio in disgust and said a separate country is the only solution for the Tamils.
    Later on V.Navaratnam took the bandwagon when he left ITAK and formed Suyatchikalagam, which put lot of pressure on SJV to speak about Self Rule in order to attract the youths, who were also angry and disgusted as they were left out of Universities due to the Standardization. He was highly influenced by two firebrand politicians Amir & Siva who had both lost the 1972 elections mainly due to the disgusted Youth votes.

    So any one pointing fingers at SJV should check the direction of the other four fingers.

  241. Whistle Blower says:

    For generations srilankan economy is depended in Tea, These poor Tamils are the back born of the srilankan economy for centuries, but these ungrateful comments made by these lot is a disgrace for the humanity. These poor people are exploited for centuries by the Sinhala rulers, prosperous India should save these people otherwise no point calling it a supper power! You can’t simply let this happening in the twenty first century.

    Some body seems to have difficulty to understand the difference between the governments funded ethnic cleansing which are artificially engineered population movement and some Tamils living for reasons and on their own means to support them. The systematical ethnic cleansing is a genocide.

    I don’t understand, this so called two thousand year old civilization,I believe it is still a long way to go before evolved into a proper civilized one.

  242. Palan says:

    In my last post I have mentioned 1972 but the election was in 1970.
    1970-Election won by Srimavo(sri Lanka Freedom Party) led leftist coalition; UNP reduced to about 18 seats-about half from minorities and multi member seats. Dudley resigned from leadership and JR came. Amir, Siva, GG lost.
    1971-First armed resurrection by JVP(called CheGuevaras)
    1971-creation of Bangladesh with the help of India
    1971- a system of standardisation of marks was introduced for admissions to the universities, obviously directed against Tamil-medium students. Eg for Medecine 250 (out of 400) for Tamil students, whereas it was only 229 for the Sinhalese. This affected the students until 1977 and a Districtwise standardisation introduced.
    1972-New Constitution changing the name to Sri Lanka

    These all had contributed to the beginning of armed struggle by the Tamil youths.

  243. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Palan (#241) Thank you. My take is Thonda politely distanced himself from the Vattukottai Resolution – particularly that of the Separate State part of it – and did not identify the CWC or himself with the TUF thereafter.

    ISS

  244. shankar says:

    #238-an eelam citzen

    interrupt the meetings and tell your opinion on matters I am sure as Eelam cabinet is working for deprived people your opinions will be appreciated.
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    That is exactly what i did once. i told them at least 50 per cent of the cabinet must be women and 50 per cent of all jobs should be mandatory by law for women with fishing and hard labour work only exempted and for men childbirth exempted. I don’t know whether it was appreciated, but the ambulance had to be called because an old chap nearly choked on his vadai and another one had a mild heart attack.

    Are we not deprived of jobs. These male chauvinist pigs will not do the job properly and will not let us do it too. See the westernworld where women have stopped cooking and entered the workforce, how their countries are having more than ten times the standard of living than ours. Now you are all running there to live and not giving any ministry for women in the eelam cabinet. Not only that, unless you are bald you cannot become a minister.

    As for being a servant, for your information though i’am treated like one, officially at least i’am the joint managing director of SUMMAIRU LTD a japanese srilankan colloboration with offices in all the major western capitals. We also have two subsidiaries KAAPALLABEEPALLA LTD and JOLIKERAPALLA LTD in southern srilanka in the leisure business andTHALATHELOLUWA LTD in the north which manufactures gingelly oil.

  245. Diyasena says:

    #238 ISS

    “The Island’s surrender to the British was signed in Tamil with even some of the Kandyan Dissawes doing so.”

    Yes, but the treaty was signed only by a minority of the chiefs in Tamil. What have you to say of the treaty between the Portuguese and Cankili I which was WRITTEN in Sinhalese?

    “When Anagarika Dharmapala and crowd in the 1930s began their anti-Indian campaign”

    Again taking a hate-filled swipe at a Sinhala Buddhist leader. Anagarika Dharmapala was severely ill and wheel chair bound by late 1920s-early 1930s and at the time he was living IN INDIA..

    1. How can he instigate an anti-India campaign whilst living India for the better part of 5 decades?..

    2. Why would the Indian government in 1932 hand over Buddhist relics and felicitate the progenitor of such an anti-Indian movement?

    3. Why was the (infuriated) Nehruji and his wife present at the ordination ceremony of this Indian hater in 1933?

    Not only are you a racist, you are a LYING RACIST..

    “If you are honest to yourself remove the Tamils words (said to be around 1/3rd) from the Sinhala language and what have you? ”

    Again more bigotry. Firstly a bogus exclusive claim to 1/3rd of the land then another bogus claim to 1/3rd of the language. Who said this?? One of your ‘friends’ or was it an ‘independednt scholar’ (lol) or did you read it off an 120% accurate internet article???

    The Tamil words in Sinhala do not even make up 1/10th of the language let alone 1/3rd.. Whilst Tamil has contributed to the Sinhala language, it is minute compared to the parental languages of Pali and Sanskrit.

    “You may gradually reduce your denial mode of your where you came from and, who you are, which has been quite a mind-boggler to many of you.”

    We came from Gujarat/ Sindh and Bengal/Orissa and then mixed with the local hela tribes.. We forged a common identity and then absorbed anyone who came be it from South India, Persia, Africa or Europe (better to be a hybrid race than an inbred pure one).. We know where we came from and don’t need haggard old bigots to tell who we are..

    Whilst we are more than happy to share we always have and will continue DENY an exclusive mono-ethnic bantustan in part of our island.. In this we will NEVER falter. The quicker you will reconcile with it, the more happier you will be..

  246. shankar says:

    Here is an interesting article

    [ The government has decided to import coconut with immediate effect from several Asian countries to control the ever increasing coconut market, the Internal Trade Ministry said.

    “The government will permit traditional coconut exporters and the Coconut Development Board to import coconut from Malaysia, Kerala and Indonesia before the festive season starts considering the exorbitant prices prevailing in the local market,” Internal Trade Secretary Sunil S. Sirisena said.

    He added that the government expects to bring down the price of a coconut with the import. (SAJ)]

    Thank god we don’t have to import tea as our hardworking indian labour will see to that. What navin can do is remove half of the tea bushes (using sinhalese labour of course ) and plant coconut trees instead.

  247. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    242. Whistle Blower

    I don’t want to down play the contribution that the Indian Tamils made to the well being of Sri Lanka by working almost as slaves in the plantations. However, one question that needs to be asked is, who made the country totally dependent on tea, rubber and coconut? Surely not the native Sinhalese?

    You say, these people were exploited by Sinhalese rulers. But who set up the system? Why didn’t the Brits who brought the Indian Tamils to the estates set up a system more humane and more dignified to the plantation workers? The Sinhalese who took over the country after independence just continued the practices that were put in place by the colonial rulers.

    The other question that you (I assume you are a Tamil) should ask from yourself and your elders is how come that the Sri Lankan Tamil leadership did not speak for the Indian estate Tamils and look after them? Do you Jaffna Tamils treat the Up-country estate Tamils as equal even now?

    You talk about government funded ethnic cleansing and population movement. What would you call the government sponsored migration of millions of Indian workers in to Kandyan hills in the 19th century?

    You say that our 2000 year old civilization has a long way to go before being considered properly civilized. What would you call your 5000 year old civilization that practices one of the most brutal apartheid systems known to man even now in the form of your cast system? What would you call a civilization that will not allow a human being to prepare food for them because that person is considered to be “low caste”? or society that prevents a group of people the chance to worship in a temple because they are “low caste”? Or a society that prevented children attending the so called “good schools” in Jaffna because those kids a were considered “low caste” and the high caste Tamil people would rather kill their children rather than allow them to mingle with “low caste” children?????

    So mate, before start throwing s*** at other people and other societies, take a good look around and have a long look at yourself in the mirror. You guys are standing in loads of s***.

  248. Jayanath says:

    Hi DBS
    Your articles are fantastic. I’m a frequent reader of your articles. I’m a sinhalese but still appreciate your work though it largely benifitted to the Tamils. We, both Sinhalese and Tamils need you. Good job, keep it up.

    Two requests
    1) Read so many of your articles, but never seen you. Really Like to see a photo of yours… any web link ???

    2) I beleive most of us are having a busy life styles. When I read your Articles I really want to read the comments too. But it is really impossible to read them all as the comments getting lengthy and the increasing number of comments.
    - I know you read them all before posting. Could you pls add a someking of a identification to the comments which you highly reccomend to read (For both +ve and -ve comments).

    this will help lot of people who loves your articles and who beleive in your judgement.

    Thank you again for your work
    May all the Sinhalese and Tamils toss away the hatred and embrace with love.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Thank you Jayanath

    1.I am happy that you say my work benefits Tamils more because the bulk of pro-tiger or tiger supporters keep on attacking me saying I am anti- Tamil.

    2.My weekly column appears every Saturday on Daily Mirror. It is available on the DM print edition in the web under Opinion section.There is a picture there but it was taken a few years ago.Lost more hair since then

    3.I am sorry but that wont be possible. I do hope the comments section stabilises to a certain pattern and norm in the future

  249. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Diyasena (#236) It was more than broken pottery that was unearthed by the German Archeologists in the Kadirgamam area. Iravatham Mahadevan confirmed this was 3rd century BC evidence of the ancient presence of a Tamil dominance in the area. The Godawaya Temple findings in the Hambantota District of a similar nature engaged the interest of such eminent men as Dr. Nagaraja Rao/DG-Archeological Survey of India. But these, as we learn, were not included in the records of our Dept of Archeology in an engineered act of distortion of history. They were apparently reported widely in relevant circles in India – with the Hindu carrying some articles early this year.

    As to the new phenomenon of Sinhala traders showing up in such unremunerative places (for trade, that is) as Mannar and even in Jaffna – rather than the normally preferred promising Colombo and suburbs – is a clear extension of “the recent Conquest mentality” of the Tamil part of the country. They are sent therenot to trade but clearly encouraged and supported remain in these places to create trouble later. Tamils in the area have good reason to feel this is nothing short of the pursuit of a secretive genocidal agenda at work. Your comment ” you ain’t seen nuttin yet” fits in like a glove here.

    So much for your sense of jusic and fairplay. The Ilangai Thamil nation will resist this ugly form of colonisation.

    ISS

  250. Mahesh says:

    237. Gavin

    I am indecent because I called your bluff.

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    What bluff you called off. I don’t understand. Please elaborate.

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    Does a decent person verbally threaten others?
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    Given below is your own words in the quote number 99.

    “If Tamils want to be Srilankan’s they are most welcome. Or else with their US vs THEY frame of mind, they can go to hell.

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    Now tell me whether your posting was that of a decent person’s post.

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    you have the impertinence to give an ultimatum to the Singhalese people and GOSL. You advice they should come to terms with Tamils or face consequences.”////

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    I never gave any ulitimatum. It is the writing on the wall. Take it or leave it at your own peril.

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    Do you have your little finger on India’s nuclear arsenal?

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    Why do you bring the nuclear arsenal here. I am an ordinary citizen here and how do you say I have the nuclear button. Even if I had it I will not use it against any body, nor will I support the usage of the nuclear arsenal by any body.

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    First try to talk decently before expecting the same from others.

    We are mirrors and will reflect you only. Good for good, bad for bad.

  251. an Eelam citizen says:

    #245
    shankargi
    I never hered about your companies.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Shankar, I’ve already mentioned that your rare sense of humour is not being understood. Is this is another instance or is ET displaying his own humour?

  252. Gavin says:

    241.243. Palan:- Standerdisation effected students both from the Tamil jaffna elite and Colombo singhalese. For years, the tamils used their better education facilities to force their way to universities. No nation will look up and wait while 12% of the population were getting 75% of the Uni places for medicine and engineering. Standardization by GOSL was to fix this anomaly. Elitist tamils from Jaffna were most effected. They did not care a damn about Tamil students from the East or tea estates. I think it is very stupid to say the JVP insurrection of 1971 contributed to the begginning of the armed struggle of the Tamils and LTTE. Similarly it is stupid to say the creation of Bangladesh contributed to the armed struggle of the Tamils. 

    What about the constant undermining of the singhalese carried out progressively from about 1927 by the tamils?  C. sundaralingham did not fight for the poor tamils but faught for his eleitist caste and he constantly spat upon the lower caste tamils. Even after the GOSL repealed the singhala only act, built univarsities in jaffna and the East, did your sun god stop the killings and come to peace? Sungod wanted the whole country because he refused north and east offered by chandrika. This shows the extream greed of these tamils and they finally held the whole country to ransome. 

    Don’t ever try to justify brutal murder by saying armed struggle was due to singhalese. It was due to the extreme greed of the elitist tamils which was beyond all civilised bounds. They wanted more and more. North and east was not enough for 12% of the people. Today tamils of your frame of mind got 2 choices. Either put up or get out. Singhalese will not tolerate any more of this bullshit.

  253. Ranjan,Toronto says:

    Latest WikiLeaks disclosures:

    India uses torture in Kashmir

    (CNN) — A U.S. diplomatic cable written five years ago concluded that the government of India condoned torture of suspects held in detention centers in Jammu and Kashmir, a region that has seen a long guerrilla war by Muslim separatists, many supported by Pakistan.

    The cable, obtained by WikiLeaks and published by The Guardian newspaper in Britain, describes a confidential briefing from a representative of the International Committee of Red Cross. In interviews with nearly 1,500 detainees over a three-year period, it had received reports that included sexual abuse, stretching and the use of water and electricity.

    “The continued ill-treatment of detainees, despite longstanding ICRC-GOI [Government of India] dialogue, have led the ICRC to conclude that the New Delhi condones torture,” the cable says.

    For the ICRC, such a briefing for U.S. diplomats appears to have been unusual. Previously it had limited itself to general comments on the human rights situation in Kashmir “in order to respect their confidentiality agreement with the GOI.” However, the relationship had become strained, with ICRC representatives unable to gain regular access to senior officials.

    The cable gives a detailed summary of the ICRC’s interviews with detainees. “In 852 cases, detainees reported what ICRC refers to as “IT” (ill-treatment): 171 persons were beaten, the remaining 681 subjected to one or more of six forms of torture: electricity (498 cases), suspension from ceiling (381), “roller” (a round metal object put on the thighs of sitting person, which prison personnel then sit on, crushing muscles — 294); stretching (legs split 180 degrees — 181), water (various forms — 234), or sexual (302).”

  254. shankar says:

    #254-ranjan,toronto

    Ranjan, you are right about kashmir. That is why india is not on a good wicket to preach to other countries about human rights, and probably had to look the other way where human right abuse was concerned in srilanka. Same for china too because of tibet. These 2 asian giants are a disgrace to asia and should set the example for others to follow as they and japan are the leaders of asia..As a result of the way india is behaving in kashmir(in the recent unrest i saw on tv a 12 year old boy was beaten and killed because he broke the curfew) srilanka also following its footsteps. I want srilanka to do cherry picking from the rest of the world, not to just blindly follow the big brother. We have to copy all the good things from the rest of the world and leave the bad things out.

  255. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    255. shankar

    It is not just India. No country in the world is on a good wicket to preach to other countries. The countries that scream about human rights in Sri Lanka should really take a good look at themselves.

    Human rights became a fashionable only after the West realized that they no longer have the ability to influence other countries by their traditional methods. So now “human rights” have become buzz words and NGOs have become the surrogates of the Western governments to beat up and influence the countries that no longer listen to them.

  256. Navin says:

    239. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:

    You are not addressing the point.

    The question I asked was very simple. Didn’t bringing in estate workers result in demographic change? Yes or No?

    If yes, in light of Tamils resisting Sinhalese settlements in their perceived traditional homelands what is the equivalent course of action to be taken by Sinhalese when Indian Tamils have been settled by British in the middle of their heartland.

    The role played by Dharmapala is irrelevant and that by Planters association is insignificant. Are you suggesting whatever deal Indian Tamils made with Ceylon planters associate is to be taken by the broader Sinhalese community as valid deed for prime land in the middle of their last kingdom?

    I’m sorry to say this, but If you see no injustice done to the Sinhalese by the Brits with regards to plantations then I’m afraid you are in the same boat as so called “Sinhalese hardliners”.

  257. Whistle Blower says:

    248. Ranjan, Toronto

    However, one question that needs to be asked is, who made the country totally dependent on tea, rubber and coconut? Surely not the native Sinhalese?

    If you have a 2k civilization, why can’t you think of an alternative method to sustain the country, think of Canada, Australia and America are they still dependent on the primitive method of cultivation or still slavery and exploitation there?

    You say, these people were exploited by Sinhalese rulers. But who set up the system? Why didn’t the Brits who brought the Indian Tamils to the estates set up a system more humane and more dignified to the plantation workers?

    The system is 2-3 century old, don’t blame the British for that, British brought a lot of people to England too, but those people are contesting for Prime Minister of Britain and their standard of living and the rights are excellent compare to any part of the world.

    By the way that movement of population happened due to labor shortage or needs, but what is happening right now in Srilanka is different, it is purely land grabbing and undermining the Tamils very existence.

    Open your mind and think wider. Stop blaming others for your shortcomings.

    Your arguments are more childish, I think you heard from Shankar! Don’t cherry pick!. Proof it by deeds, that you got a 2k civilization.

  258. Mohan says:

    #208Don
    I agree that some intellectual politicians of the country were eliminated by LTTE and other opponents.
    However it is wrong to accuse LTTE for the present crop of thugs who were elected by the people in a democratic manner.
    If intellectuals are hesitant to get in to politics that is due the thug culture since the defeat of LTTE more than a year ago.

  259. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Navin (#257) You confuse relevant to irrelevant and have missed the main points of the National Debate. Suggest try get a copy of he Kandyan Peasants Commission – that can
    thrown much light for you to study the issue in depth.

    ISS

  260. Mahesh says:

    192. Diyasena

    Firstly the only document left behind by the Jaffna Kingdom is in Sinhalese, so it’s a bit suss to call it a ‘Tamil’ Kingdom.

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    Jaffna Kingdom has also left behind some coins and other evidences.

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    Secondly, the borders of the Jaffna Kingdom encompassed only part of the Northern Province and virttrually none of the Eastern province.. If the call for devolution was based on these borders the problem would have been solved long ago..

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    Diyasena, the Tamils were living in the North and the East in large numbers for a long time. Does it not qualify for devolution or any political settlement based on their demography.

  261. Mahesh says:

    257. Navin

    in light of Tamils resisting Sinhalese settlements in their perceived traditional homelands what is the equivalent course of action to be taken by Sinhalese when Indian Tamils have been settled by British in the middle of their heartland.

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    Navin, we have umpteen number of times talked about the sirima-sastri pact etc.

    Do you want to abrogate those pacts also as you have abrogated the bc,dc pact.

    Do you want the India to abrogate the Kachatheevu pact with you.

    Why you are going in endless cycles.

  262. Mahesh says:

    254. Ranjan,Toronto

    Atleast we give access to journalists, HRW, ICRC etc.

    You conducted a war without witness and now whatever you tell the world the world has to believe, as there is no contrasting view possible.

    There are shortcomings in India. Shankar please don’t bracket us with China.

    China is a willful defaulter in these matters. It has got no values.

    India a democracy. China is not.

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    253. Gavin

    Don’t ever try to justify brutal murder by saying armed struggle was due to singhalese. It was due to the extreme greed of the elitist tamils which was beyond all civilised bounds.

    ——————————————-

    So Gavin, no blame attaches on to the Sinhalese, is what you mean.

    Conveniently you forget, bc, dc, sinhala only, jaffna library, tamil conference, welikade, 1956, 58, disenfranchisement etc etc.

    When holocaust deniers are there in this world, why shouldn’t they have companions?

    you talk as thougn there is nothing wrong with you people.

  263. Mahesh says:

    Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:

    Sir I have a question to ask of you.

    I don’t know the history of your island well.

    People are saying a lot about Mahavamsa mentality. In this blog also there is a tendency to deny the Tamils of any history in the island.

    since the Tamil Nadu and the Sri Lanka are separated only by a narrow stretch of sea it is obvious that the Tamils would have come and settled there from a very long period.

    The ancient Tamils were Budhists, jains, Hindus etc.

    The trend to equate any Budhist temple in the N and E as a proof of the Sinhala Budhist presence in the N and E is prevalent.

    I have a feeling that many Kings mentioned in the Mahavamsa could be Tamil Budhist Kings. The authors of the Mahavamsa and the Culavamsa would have given them a Sinhala Budhist name and included them in their work as a Sinhala Budhist.

    Can you throw light on that matter.

    It is nicely weaved deception where the truth and the false are mixed together and dished out as absolute truth and pure history.

    In this kind of a mixture it is difficult to make out the truth or separate only the truth.

    Please throw light in this subject.

  264. Navin says:

    260. ISS,

    Before the Brits came, up country was Sinhalese land. Now its littered with Indian Tamils. So, there is demographic change and its a problem. That demographic change is not any different from what will happen if Sinhalese were to go in and settle in N & E.

    The fear, anger, resentment felt by the Tamils is also felt by the Sinhalese. The land Sinhalese lost to Indian Tamils has been lost forever. If you can understand that, then I’m sure you would think twice before talking about why Sinhalese should not be settled in “Tamil homeland”.

    You reference to agreement Plantations union had with Indian Tamils is akin to saying “you brought it upon yourself”. Sinhalese can also come up with numerous justifications for settling Sinhalese in the N & E. You are talking in the same tongue. Accept that and please stop been ignorant.

    You spend so much time worrying about tea shops Sinhalese put up in Manner but you cannot show even a little bit of empathy towards Sinhalese when Indian Tamils have colonized 2/3 of the central province.

    Mark my words, unless, you try to understand the problem from the other person’s perspective you will always find fault but not peace with Sinhalese.

    I don’t need to read Kandyan Peasants Commission reports to understand the problem faced by the Sinhalese and culpability of the Brits. In similar vain I can also tell you to go read the emergency regulations to understand why the government is holding up Tamil youth.

  265. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Dear Mahesh (#264) You have answered many of your own questions. Prior to about 9,000 years even that thin water divide was not there. Bhikku Mahanama – credited with authoring the Mahawamsa, on which Lankan Buddhists lay much faith about their origin, – was Tamik. Of late there is a claim he is from Anuradhapura. He wrote at least 500 AFTER the events. Also, I have heard of claims original Sinhala Buddhist works were from Kalinga long before Bhikku Mahavamsa. The Sinhalere here – more specifically the Buddhists – are and have been in a Crisis of Identity simply because they wish to remain in a state of denial as to where they came from. This results in different versions by different authors at different times. While most of them are of recent stock from various parts of TN and AP some of them may have come from Birhar/Orissa (note the names Jayasinghe,, Wickramasinghe and now out of vogue female name popular female name Gunawathy. Compore this with Jai Singh, Vikram Singh and Mayawati) Look at the names of most of our cricketers
    (Arjuna, Aravinda, Ranjith) At times, they’ll say they are from India and at other times would say they are
    Aryans from Iran and..and. In recent years there is a tendence to identify with Kerala. Anything goes so long as it is not Tamilnadu??? I have even seen reknown academics of international repute twisting matters to suit their personal prejudices. Equally, there are many learned persons who have no hesitation in claiming they came from across the sea.

    .I am not denigrating them but this sensitive issue will be with us for a long time. In matters of faith it is best
    we allow those concerned to do what pleases them most – so long as it does not create issues to other faiths. Incidentally, I am only a student in all these matters and it is best, if this involves some academic pursuit by you consult specialist experts in the matter
    as it involves contested history going over 3-4 millenia.

    ISS

  266. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    258. Whistle Blower
    The system is 2-3 century old, don’t blame the British for that, British brought a lot of people to England too, but those people are contesting for Prime Minister of Britain and their standard of living and the rights are excellent compare to any part of the world.
    —————————————————
    really?
    The people that Brits brought to England are treated as equal in Britain? Have you ever walked into a East Indian area in London or Manchester and asked around the people there on how the Brits treat them? Likes of David Miliband will treat you guys like equals only till they get you into a voting booth. Since this is a blog about the national anthem, may be you guys can suggest to the Brits that God Save the Queen should be also sung in Hindi, Tamil and Jamaican rap?

    Talking about standard of living. May I remind you that Jaffna Tamils had a much higher standard of living than those of Tamil Nadu before your heroes decided to destroy the it completely?

    When you could not respond to my statements about how you treat your own Tamil brothers and sisters, you slip away saying don’t cherry pick. You don’t realize that in your original post that is exactly what you did? Sad.

  267. Kalu Albert says:

    —Comment 264—

    Surely there must be a Library in Chennai, that would have a collection of History books.

    Why don’t you go there and learn it properly .

  268. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Navin (#265) It is quite exasperating wasting time arguing with those who pretend to sleep. When you come to the conclusion “Indian Tamils have colonised 2/3rd of the Central Province” you expose your ignorance in arithmetic, local politics and the Parliamen and PCs/Local Councils. To assist you, may I suggest you take a map and write down the numbers of electorates and MPs thereto and one hopes some sense will get through.

    Sinhalese thugs in Mannar are sent not to open tea shops but to double as pavement hawkers in the day. Robberies and killings will increase in the area soon – people there fear.

    ISS

  269. Don says:

    259. Mohan |I agree that some intellectual politicians of the country were eliminated by LTTE and other opponents. However it is wrong to accuse LTTE for the present crop of thugs who were elected by the people in a democratic manner. If intellectuals are hesitant to get in to politics that is due the thug culture since the defeat of LTTE more than a year ago.
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    The word “some” you have used is misleading. It is not some of them but all of the moderate articulate tamils leaders were killed or chased out by LTTE. Even in Jaffna, Tamil educated people who opposed LTTE were chased out. Some of these people came and lived with our family in Colombo as we always had many Tamil friends. For us, there was no difference between any race. For 30yrs the LTTE called the shots and killing and intimidation took place and today tamils need to build up what they lost to represent their people. Confrontational politics will not get them there. Tamils don’t need intellectuals like Neelan or kadirgarma to get them through but they got to get people like Thondaman or MP Piyasena who represents Amparai to lead the way. These people are realist. People who can look beyond petty prejudices and work for their people knowing that they some how got to work with a majority Singhalese government to achieve results for their people. Even in 1970’s Alfred Duraiappah the popular mayor for Jaffna did that until he was killed by LTTE!!

  270. Gavin says:

    251. Mahesh/////What bluff you called off. I don’t understand. Please elaborate.Now tell me whether your posting was that of a decent person’s post.I never gave any ulitimatum. It is the writing on the wall. Take it or leave it at your own peril. We are mirrors and will reflect you only. Good for good, bad for bad//////

    The bluff is because you are a fake. I have seen you though. You pretend to be a moderate while you are nothing better than your LTTE Tamil advisors. You say you did not give an ultimatum and you have done it again. If the writing is on the wall, we can see that. You don’t need to rub it in. similarly your sungod did not see the singhalese writing on the wall, he lost this life and that of thousands of his own people. Your mirror reflects you as a guy who will talk peace ( like the LTTE ) while having the finger on the nuclear button and preparing for war. But have it in mind we are ready for likes of you and your LTTE retinue.

    263. Mahesh//////So Gavin, no blame attaches on to the Sinhalese, is what you mean.Conveniently you forget, bc, dc, sinhala only, jaffna library, tamil conference, welikade, 1956, 58, disenfranchisement eyou talk as thougn there is nothing wrong with you people////////

    Arant you talking the same way? No blame to the Tamils who sported the LTTE and LTTE itself. Your words are “ we got a due to pay prabakaren. My Foot!! Have you conveniently forgotten the constant undermining of the singhalese done by the tamils for the last 50 to 60 yrs? The killing of 100’s innocent buddhist priest at aranthalawa and other brutal atrocities? You have said, GOSL kiiled innocent civilians. You have never said they were lured to their death by your sungod. You have never given the credit to Sinhala leader who offered north and east to LTTE murderer and your admirer. For you, there is nothing wrong in all that?

  271. Navin says:

    269. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:

    You are totally oblivious to the concerns of the Sinhalese community. I rest my case.

  272. Mahesh says:

    271. Gavin

    The bluff is because you are a fake.

    —————————

    How do you know I am fake. You asked the Tamils to go to hell. Was that right? Always talking as though you people are right and the Tamils are wrong.

    Even before the VP was born there were many atrocities committed on the Tamils. Why are you not talking about it?

    I said this may be the last chance for peace. This is a good opportunity. Don’t leave it. The extremist like VP and PA are gone. Now solve this problem once and for all. Why are you angry with me for telling this. I do not understand.

    I also said don’t throw the accords once again into dust bins as you have done with the bc and dc pact.

    How do you see me as a supporter of VP in this. Oh! may be truth hurts. That is why you are talking to me as though I am a supporter of VP.
    When I said about the writing on the wall I said it with concern as a fellow human being.

    In this if you see me as a LTTE supporter, then it is your problem.

    ————————————

    Your mirror reflects you as a guy who will talk peace ( like the LTTE ) while having the finger on the nuclear button and preparing for war. But have it in mind we are ready for likes of you and your LTTE retinue.

    ————————————

    I don’t want to reply you for this as I am not a supporter of LTTE or VP.

    ————————————-

    you conveniently forgotten the constant undermining of the singhalese done by the tamils for the last 50 to 60 yrs? The killing of 100’s innocent buddhist priest at aranthalawa and other brutal atrocities?

    ———————————–

    While I condemn the killings on either side, why did your bhikus enter politics. instead of being neutral in this political strife. How much blood was let because of the annullment of the bc pact done after the protest of the bhikkus.

    Will you condemn that also? A bhikkus place is his abbot. Why did he come out and start a political party. Why did a bhikku kill one of your President?

    Why did your bhikkus protest against the bc and dc pact?

    The Mahavamsa written by your bhikkus doesn’t record the tamil budhism (if it records I have no knowledge about it) while it only records about the Ashoka.

    There are historical records to show that the budhist monks from Tamil Nadu came to Anuradhapura and monks from Anuradhapura visiting Kanchipuram and other places in India.

    Why doesnt your Mahavamsa talk about the influence of the Tamil Budhism.

    This distortion of history also a reason for this strife, I believe.

  273. Mahesh says:

    266. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan

    Thanks for replying. May be a good historian will be able to answer these queries. When VP had N and E at his command, i wonder why he didn’t do some excavation in those areas to unearth the truth.

    Atleast now the Govt should do this and bequeath the real national history to its citizens.

  274. Whistle Blower says:

    267. Ranjan, Toronto

    First of all for your information David Miliband is only a second generation Jewish himself, I know England very well don’t say anything about East Indian area in
    London or Manchester, your arguments are baseless.

    Never know you may see a Tamil as a Prime Minister of Britain.

    My arguments were based on Sinhala atrocities against Tamil people not about the quarrels among Tamils, don’t try to pull through uncharted territory.

    Let see what GOSL and it’s 2k years civilization,going to do to the betterment of the fellow human beings.

  275. Mohan says:

    #270Don
    There are many touching stories of Sinhala families and friends helping Tamils going back as far as 1959 Sinhala racist riots, to 1983 anti Tamil progrom to this very day.I can vouch for them too.
    Sinhala people are mainly not racist. But whether its UNP or SLFP or JVP they can only win votes on a platform of Tamil bashing.The national anthem issue is ,discusses elsewhere is another example.

    It is time for Sri Lanka and the people of Sri Lanka to forge ahead without mentioning the four letters LTTE but accommodating the four letters TAMIL.

  276. Kugan says:

    When the Vaddukoddai theermanam passesd i was a small boy,SJVC brought to the stage by wheel chair and cant even speak as he was paralysed at that time.but given mic then its being said he is favour of Elam.
    This was the Amirs district but he lost in privious election and knew he may lost again and contested for KKS as SJVC passesd away and got sympathy vote.

    Vaddukoodai was strong of SLFP most of the time by Thiyagaraja.

  277. Mahesh says:

    271. Gavin

    Have you conveniently forgotten the constant undermining of the singhalese done by the tamils for the last 50 to 60 yrs?

    ———————————–

    From 1948 till date it is the Tamils who are in the receiving end with disenfranchising, sinhala only, 1956, 1958, etc etc 1983, library burning, Tamil conference, warning by the JR to the Tamils, saying if you want war it will be war and if it is peace it will be peace. Do you think he behaved like a President?

    How many times you have blockaded the essential commodities, there.

    Don’t forget Welikade, Kaluthra, BC pact, Dc pact the protest by the monks, their annullment. Aerial bombardment etc etc. Your atrocities are a long list.

    so too is the atrocity of the LTTE. But your atrocities precede that of LTTE. Your atrocities precede the birth of VP.

    After all this you say that the Tamils oppressed you for 50 -60 years.

    Yes. I accept that the Tamils did commit mistakes, But didn’t you do any mistake?

    Why did you unleash the thugs in the Galle face green and beat up people like Amir, who went to Parliament with blood in his form.

    You will conveniently forget your atrocities and present yourself as though you are as white as swan and only the other side is to be blamed.

    Accept that both sides have made mistakes. Now sit and try to resolve it honestly.

  278. Kalu Albert says:

    Although History is not my forte, I thought I must delve in to the Mahawamsa to understand this raging debate about the validity the Sinhala Buddhists claims to Srilanka.

    Mahawamsa which is a historical document supported by archaeological findings and acknowledged as such even by impartial English and German historians prove beyond doubt that the claims of the Sinhalese are correct.

    Besides, the Theravada Buddhism,emanated from Srilanka has over one Hundred Million followers world wide. today.

    In theory even these people have the right to claim Srilanka as the place of origin of their faith and to ensure Srilanka remains as a united country in the same manner as it has to date.

  279. James Thenuwara says:

    I hope and pray that Sampanthan will have a long life otherwise the Sinhalese are in great danger

  280. Diyasena says:

    #250 ISS

    “It was more than broken pottery that was unearthed by the German Archeologists in the Kadirgamam area. Iravatham Mahadevan confirmed this was 3rd century BC evidence of the ancient presence of a Tamil dominance in the area”

    Here is the original op-ed by Iravatnam Mahadevan in the Hindu.

    http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/24/stories/2010062451701100.htm

    There is no mention of any other evidence other than the potsherd. It is hilarious to assume TAMIL DOMINANCE in the area, based on a SINGLE POTSHERD.

    Several Chinese and Persian pot-sherds have also been found in that area. Does that say that it was actually CHINESE DOMINATED or PERSIAN DOMINATED?

    “They were apparently reported widely in relevant circles in India – with the Hindu carrying some articles early this year.”

    What relevant circles? Is the ‘Hindu’ the most prestigious archaelogical journal in the world?

    “As to the new phenomenon of Sinhala traders showing up in such unremunerative places (for trade, that is) as Mannar and even in Jaffna – rather than the normally preferred promising Colombo and suburbs”

    They are moving into a new market and are exercising there FREEDOM of MOVEMENT. The constitution does not recognise Tamil or Sinhala areas. It is the RIGHT of every SRI LANKAN CITIZEN to LIVE and WORK ANYWHERE on the island’s territory. If it does not fit in your tribal agenda TOO BAD..

    The walls of Apartheid in the North are slowly being torn down.

  281. Diyasena says:

    “Jaffna Kingdom has also left behind some coins and other evidences”

    If you are referring to the ‘Sethu’ coins they could have come from South India or Jaffna. They do not mention the reign of any ruler, meaning it was issued by a vassal state not a sovereign kingdom. However coins of Parakramabahu I (12th century), Parakrambahu II (13th century) and Parakrambahu VI (15th century) have also been found in Jaffna.

    What are the OTHER EVIDENCES? Be specific, don’t be vague.

    “the Tamils were living in the North and the East in large numbers for a long time. Does it not qualify for devolution or any political settlement based on their demography”

    The Sinhalese too lived in large numbers in the North and East for long periods before the 19th century. The present demographics in the North and East are result of demographic engineering by the Dutch and British colonials, then the (in the East) attempts by the GoSL to redress the imbalance.

    So there is no case for ethnic based devolution, base on mythical homeland theories.

    However am not against regional devolution/ decentralisation if the regional units are demarcated in an equitable and sustainable manner.. The present provinces are not so..

  282. shankar says:

    25-gavin

    Don’t ever try to justify brutal murder by saying armed struggle was due to singhalese. It was due to the extreme greed of the elitist tamils which was beyond all civilised bounds
    ——————————————————
    Armed struggle was due to 1956, 58, 71,77 and 83 violence against the tamils. You seem surprised that tamils can’t get violent however much they are hammered, raped, killed and burnt alive. If you had followed the true bhuddhist philosophy all this would not have happenned in the first place. Note DBSJ’s uncle’s ear being bitten off during a peaceful satyagraha.Is satyagraha a violet demonstration for you?

    Don’t try to blame others when the root cause of the problem was at your end. Tamil politicians and radicals merely jumped into the bandwagon when they perceived the opportunity created by sinhala politicians and hardliners, thus adding fuel to the fire that was already burning, fire created solely by the sinhalese.

    Anyway now that book is over. A new book has started and we will carefully monitor from now on any culprits who are an impediment to a permanant peace that will last for centuries. We don’t want the same old story in this book.This story is going to be more about unity, development, getting our act together on the environment and economy, becoming a part of the developed world balanced by a happiness index etc.

  283. Anonymous says:

    266. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan: I have even seen reknown academics of international repute twisting matters to suit their personal prejudices.

    Aren’t you doing the same thing on behalf of your Tamils?

  284. Kalu Albert says:

    ——-Comment 277 & 266—-

    What is TAMIL?

    Any historian will tell you that Srilanka was inhabited by aboriginal people, and the two main tribes were Yaksas and Nagas,

    Mahawamsa was written in Pali which has no semblance to Tamil.

    Some of the Mahawamsa chronicles have been authenticated by the evidence unearthed by excavations in India and Srilanka unlike like the Mahabaratha and Ramayana.

    Prabakaran did a lot of excavations to hide himself.

  285. Ranjan, Toronto says:

    275. Whistle Blower
    David Miliband may be a second generation Jew, but the point is as it was established by WikiLeaks disclosures, his own fellow party members acknowledged that the main reason for him to champion Tamil rights was to win votes in local elections.

    And I know pretty well that you would love to hide the discriminations that exist among your community and blame everything on Sinhalese, so no surprise there about you not wanting me “pulling through uncharted territory”.

  286. Diyasena says:

    #274 Mahesh,

    “When VP had N and E at his command, i wonder why he didn’t do some excavation in those areas to unearth the truth.”

    Because the TRUTH was unpalatable to VP and his Tamizhbans they destroyed Buddhist temples in the N & E and defiled Sinhala inscriptions…

    If you go excavating in the N & E the TRUTH might tempt you to press the N-button so all evidence of Sinhala habitation are destroyed..

  287. Whistle Blower says:

    Again you are wrong, David Milbands constituency don’t have a Tamil community.

    Similarly Sinhalese have their own cast system too, to name a few karava, Goyigama, rajakariya, Rodiya , Salagama and ect. The current stand off between MR and SF could be something to do with that too.

    Anyway that’s not the issue the issue is majority Sinhalese dominance, oppression, discrimination and the aggression over the other minority groups.

    Have a nice holiday take care.

  288. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Navin (#272) If you check my earlier posts, you will see I give weightage to Sinhala fears and concerns as well.
    Admittedly, there is much here.

    Anonymous (#284) No

    Kalu Albert (#285) Is it possible if the Mahawamsa was not written in Sinhala it may be because the language may have not been there at that time? It is claimed it evolved in the present form very much later.

    Diyasena (#281) Like many of the more initiated commentators here, you appear to be content to remain in permanent denial. So be it.

    Hindu, as most dailiies, reported on the findings and not in-depth. I can cite detailed supporting material of distortion of history in recent local archeological circles but I wonder if this is the forum. RAS would have been a good forum but you know what it has become since of late. Sudharshan Seneviratne and Shiran Deraniyagala have showed up in several fora in S. India but since of late are fairly guarded in their comments. Incredible you ask what are “relevant circles” in matters Archeological. Surely???
    I notice you callously use the terms “hilarious” “humour” etc discussing this matter. Well, both elements are present but in favour of which side? These are days of various kinds of “experts” The Big Boss and the cantankerous Weerawansa – in the depth of their learning – are satisfied no other country in the world sings the National Anthem other than in a single language. Millions of their faithful believe them. There is hilarity and humour in this as well.

    In insisting Sinhala pavement hawkers have invaded Mannar in search of ” new markets” you expose some holes in your otherwise sound intellectual armoury.
    As to the Walls you mention, the coming years will establish if they are coming down or new walls are being forced to go up.

    ISS

  289. Mahesh says:

    282. Diyasena

    If you are referring to the ‘Sethu’ coins they could have come from South India or Jaffna

    ——————————

    In this we cannot argue as this is the historians forte. When the history records as such that there was a Jaffna Kingdom, why are you denying it.

    If you want to know more about it then

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_kingdom

    http://www.jaffnaroyalfamily.org/welcome.php

    ——————————–

    The Sinhalese too lived in large numbers in the North and East for long periods before the 19th century

    ===============

    What is the evidence for that.

    ——————-

    The present demographics in the North and East are result of demographic engineering by the Dutch and British colonials,

    ——————————-

    What is the motive of the British or the Dutch to do that.

    =====================

  290. Mahesh says:

    287. Diyasena

    Because the TRUTH was unpalatable to VP and his Tamizhbans they destroyed Buddhist temples in the N & E and defiled Sinhala inscriptions…

    ——————————–

    Can you give me an evidence.

    ————————-

    If you go excavating in the N & E the TRUTH might tempt you to press the N-button so all evidence of Sinhala habitation are destroyed..

    —————————

    That is not possible. Some evidence will always be left from the crime scene.

  291. Diyasena says:

    #290 Mahesh,

    You give wikipedia as evidence in a debate? That’s a little sad..lol..

    “What is the evidence for that”

    The stone inscriptions (not movable potsherds ;) ) starting from 2nd century BC..

    And the writings of the Portuguese and Early Dutch writers

    Even in your precious wikipedia article, is the East part of the Jaffna Kingdom?.

    “What is the motive of the British or the Dutch to do that”

    Initially (in the 1640s to 1766) the Dutch only had Mannar and Jaffna.. The Kandyan Kingdom which had the Vanni inlands upto Elephant Pass.. Only after 120 years of war and attrition could the Dutch finally take the coastal areas of the East.. During those years the Sinhalese in Dutch areas kept revolting (as the Portuguese found before them)..

    But instead of using the Portuguese method of ruthless supression the Dutch went for demographic change.. They bought in Malabaris who from their own admittance were a more obedient and industrious people than the rebellious Sinhalese to work in their Tobacco plantations in N&E, and settled them in en-masse in their territories. The British who took the whole Island not only ruthlessly suppressed the Sinhalese revolts but bought in labour to work in the hill plantations and redrew the provinces to weaken the Kandyan identity..

  292. Navin says:

    289. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:

    Could you please show me where you showed concern for the Sinhalese people? I saw no concern been expressed for Tamils of Indian origin been settled in land held by Sinhalese people nor any comparison of that situation with arguments against colonization.

    I could understand if you argue against both or argue for both. I could also understand if you argue against Indian Tamils because they were not sri lankan citizens to begin with and argue for sinhalese settlements in the N & E because sinahlese were living in N & E before they abandoned N due to external threats or because they are sri lankan citizens. I cannot understand how a person could say settling Indian Tamils in estates is OK but settling sinhalese in N & E is not.

  293. Palan says:

    264. Mahesh

    Mahavamsa was originally composed
    in
    -Lanka
    -Poems
    -Pali
    -after being passed orally for over hundreds of years
    -Ola leaves
    -some claim to be lost/replaced
    translated in Sinhalese again in Ola leaves and to other languages later.

    I am not sure whether the original pali /sinhala ola leaves are available anywhere for refererence.
    There lies the claims and counter claims.

    It claims Buddha flew to Lanka 3 times, during a period spanning over thousands of years and the last visit was to settle a dispute between two brother kings by Buddha(of whom Mahavamsa talks most, if not all )was borne in 6th Centure BCE: B.C. 560 and died at the age of eighty in B.C. 480. The place of his birth was known as Lumbini in present Nepal.

    In Mahayana Buddhism, there are countless Buddhas but Therevada is so limited to that number because they only focus on the sutras that pertain to Budhisattva path.(If you are wondereing about numbers, Mahayana sutras include over 10,000 names, Amitabha about 20 more names, Easthstore sutra about 10 more and Avatamsaka..LOT more)

    The Siddhartha Gautama or Shakyamuni Buddha or Supreme Buddha, is generally accepted as the founder of Buddhism and mahavamsa is based on that belief. Various collections of teachings attributed to him were passed down by oral tradition, and first committed to writing about 400 years later.

    Mahavamsa became a political rallying point and issue in British Ceylon only around 1931(Donoughmore Commission) and became a hot issue and mindset around 1944(Soulbury Commission) onwards.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulbury_Commission

    http://mahavamsa.org/mahavamsa/mahavamsam/

    The good news is
    the next Buddha due to appear is said to be Maitreya, who will appear once the teachings of the current Buddha have long been forgotten.

  294. citizensl says:

    comment 250
    “As to the new phenomenon of Sinhala traders showing up in such unremunerative places (for trade, that is) as Mannar and even in Jaffna – rather than the normally preferred promising Colombo and suburbs”

    It seems that according to “some” racist Nazi tamizhs, chingalams and mussalmans can’t live and trade in the North East and Only the “super supreme We Tamizhs” can live there.
    Wasn’t this your agenda when you ethnically cleansed 500,000 chingalams and mussalmans from the North.
    Maybe the citizens of Sri-Lanka should have insisted that before the IDPs were resettled the ethnically cleansed chingalams and mussalmans should have been resettled first.
    It’s clear that the racist Nazi tamizh agenda is to keep the North 100% pure tamizh. This is why the ethnic integration of the North is essential. The first step is to resettle the 500,000 ethnically cleansed chingalams and mussalmans in the North.
    When the North is ethnically integrated the Eazham dream gets flushed down the Nandikudal lagoon.
    The “Uber Mensh Racists” should learn to get along with the Unter Mensh chingalams and the mussalmans.

  295. Diyasena says:

    #291 Mahesh,

    “Can you give me an evidence”

    The Lankapatuna vihara in Verugal/ Veheragala is one example I’ve seen with my own eyes.. This was the place Prince Dantha and Hemamala landed with the Tooth relic..

    The stupa and the buddha statues had been blown up and some of the stone monuments destroyed and thrown off the cliff.. A Kovil had been built on the temple premises.. I guess for the barbarians who tried to blow up the tooth relic itself, blowing up a temple where the tooth relic first came on SL soil was like eating kanji..
    Apparently the Temple has been restored for tourist visits since the liberation of the East, but no one can fully restore a demolished 15 century old treasure..

    The Jambukola vihara in Sambiliturai/ Dambakolapatuna is another example.. This was the place where Sangamitta theri (Daughter of emperor Asoka) landed with the Sri Maha Bodhi.. The arachaeological ruins were present upto 1980s but gone when the troops liberated Jaffna in 1995.. Come to think of it destroying that temple would have been nothing to the butchers who slaughtered old pilgrim women worshipping at the Sri Maha Bodhi..

    After the war victory, the Sinhala weekly newspaper Divaina, published a series of articles of Buddhist temples and Sinhala inscriptions vandalised by the LTTE in the Vanni. On my next trip to SL (probably mid next year), I will make sure to visit some of the places.. I’ll take some pics and post them for the viewing pleasure of you and fellow sun god worshipers..

  296. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Palan (#294) How far is the claim Prince Siddhartha, born in present day Nepal and in which country there is located many places associated with the Buddha, he is even today considered a Hindu? Many appear to be in denial on this here. The late Soma Thero loudly preached disassociating the local believers from Hinduism.

    If the Mahawamsa was composed in today’s Lankan soil about 2,000 years ago one wonders why it was so in Pali and not in Sinhala now that many claim the Sinhala language is about 2,600 years old?

    I ask these out of academic curiosity and none other. I often visit meetings of the Servants of the Buddha.

    ISS

  297. Mahesh says:

    Diyasena

    I have also given a link to the Jaffna Royal family

    http://www.jaffnaroyalfamily.org/welcome.php

    I know you will deride the wikipedia reference. But it could be good starting point which need not be dismissed off hand.

    I am again quoting from wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_ancient_Tamil_country#Foreign_trade

    It talks about the trade and commerce and trade route of the tamils.

    In silapadhikaram, Ilango tells about the trade and commerce of the ancient cholas that is by karikal cholan.

    Karikal chola traded with all over the world at that time.

    The principal port of cholas was the poompuhar, or kaveri poompattinam. It is just a few kilometers away from Sri Lanka.

    How could it be that the Tamils traded with the whole of the then known world but didn’t come to the neighboring island or discover the neighboring island.

    How could they just not discover your island?

    This is highly improbable.

    I do have a feeling that doing archeological research in your island will bring out the evidences of the connection of the tamils with your island.

  298. Mahesh says:

    294. Palan

    Thanks for the links that you have given. They are informative and useful.

    ——————————————-

    Diyasena

    Also if archeological excavations are done off shore the poompuhar we may get many more evidences about the relationship between the tamils with your island.

    At least to safeguard the historical and the political interest of the tamils living in your island this has to be done.

  299. Diyasena says:

    #298 & 299 Mahesh,

    You can keep looking for ‘El Dorado’ all you want, but the truth is what isn’t there cannot be found..

  300. Diyasena says:

    #297 ISS,

    Being a monk of Anuradhapura Ven. Mahanama would have written in the language he used most often.. Moreover unlike today a singificant portion of the populace would have been conversant in Pali…

    The next question/ point a lot of idiots bring out is as there was no Sinhala script how can there be a Sinhala language?

    I ask them is Russian and Serbo-Croat the same language because they use the same script?

    Are Italian and English the same language because they use the same script?

    Though using the Brahmi script for thousand plus years, the Sinhala language of the 3rd century BC inscriptions right onto the Sigiri inscriptions differ significantly from Pali and Sanskrit..

  301. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Diyasena (#301) I have made my point and wish to go no further in this matter. Do I understand from you that Sinhala and Pali are one and the same?

    Our friend Palan (#294) states “Buddha flew into Lanka 3 times over a period spanning over thousands of years”
    I’d like to learn more from your research. Also, do please let me know if there is evidence of the Buddha having visited Burma, Thailand and other areas during his time.

    Looks to me like at least one comment in the discussion I now have with you has not been posted. It certainly would have helped.

    Navin (#293) You structure your post to question my
    good faith. I do not keep records of what I post but if you care to go through in these pages you will see many instances I have spoken of and supported the Sinhala issues. Ven. Mandawala Humuduruwo and many other Sinha friends here have expressed their appreciation. Since you appear to have a doubting-Thomas make-up let me assure you and reiterate much damage was done to Buddhism and the Sinhala people in the 450 years between 1600-1948. If the Tamil side had handled the 1952-1956 better taking into recognition the “soda-bottle” effect of SWRD’s 1956 victory, the Sinhalese would have settled down and cool heads from both sides could have worked out a mutually acceptable solution. But both sides faltered where hotheads took over – and here we are now. Here I must say the Christian and Catholic heirarchy here went about
    sagaciously and in due recognition of the times – an example we should have and still can follow.

    ISS

  302. shankar says:

    Diyasena

    this is an excerpt from an article in the daily mirror.

    [By Krishan Jeevaka Jayaruk – Matara.

    A group of fishermen have found Two ‘Buddha Statues’ floating some 620 nautical miles off the Matara seas on Sunday.]

    Though srilanka’s territorial sea extends upto 200 nautical miles, these ‘ruins’ were found 620 nautical miles away. This clearly proves that srilankan kings just like the cholas roamed the high seas and controlled the oceans far and wide.

    As for the tamil ruins and archeology you say are not in the north, the jaffna kingdom was not a civilization that got ruined, like the aztec, maya or anurathapura, or the cambodian. Also if kings are not interested in building crap just to show off to others, but are just more interested in administrating, then too you won’t find ruins and archeological sites.

  303. Kalu Albert says:

    The technology used in constructions by Sinhala Kings before Christ has so many resemblances to the technology used in Greece and Italy.

    Few examples are the aqua ducts and the shape of the bricks.

    Surely there must have been frequent exchange of personnel and technology between Srilanka and Europe at that time.

    So it is not a surprise if Buddha made frequent visits to Srilanka.

    Pali had a revered status among the Sinhalese . As a result Buddist practices like chanting is still is done in Pali.

    The Monks s who wrote Mahawamsa surely must have used the best available at the time.

  304. Mahesh says:

    300. Diyasena

    You can keep looking for ‘El Dorado’ all you want, but the truth is what isn’t there cannot be found..

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    Do you mean to say that there was no interaction of Budhists between your island and the mainland India.

    There are evidences to the effect that the Budhism flourished in both sides of the Palk strait.

    Many Tamils were also Budhists.

    Like wise the Budhist places of worship that you see in the N and E could be of Tamil Budhist origin.

    Now since nearly all the Tamils are Hindus and nearly all the Sinhalese are Budhists you may be claiming those Tamil Budhist places / shrines as the relics created by the Sinhala Budhists.

    Also please go through this link which states about the presence of the Budhist influence in the Tamil Nadu.

    http://drs.nio.org/drs/bitstream/2264/3295/2/Mar_Archaeol_2_5.pdf

    When Tamils can sail all over to Greece, Rome, Arabia and China and trade over those places it is improbable that they would not have landed in the island. Just look at the geography. To discover or to navigate to those countries from puhar they would have had to circumnavigate the island.

    They were guided by the trade winds and if the winds were little strong and the sea little chirpy they would have landed in your island. There are strong possibilities of them coming to your island.

    If efforts are taken to do some research off the puhar and also in and around thondi and also in your mathotha one can find their presence.

    Also consider the fact that one Yaalpanathu pulavar was one of the poets of the sangam era.

    Sambandar has sung ketheeswaram.

    These do suggest the presence of the Tamils there.

  305. Diyasena says:

    #302. ISS

    Sinhala and Pali are NOT one and the same.. BUT of all the (common and archaic) languages it is the CLOSEST to Sinhalese (Both grammatically and phonetically). If Sinhalese bother to learn it is not that hard to learn.

    Divehi would come in a definite second and Sanskrit third, with Tamil and Bengali following,

    I’m afraid our friend Palan is way off the mark..
    The three visits of the Buddha are said to be within a period of seven years. Firstly to Mahiyangana (around 589BC), to Nagadvipa/ Nainatheevu in (584 BC, this is the visit regarding the brother’s quarrel not the last one) and lastly to Kelaniya (582BC)…

    Only the Pali oral tradition which was written down 500 years after his passing mention the three visits prior to the Mahavansa.. Whilst the the second and third visits are possible, I have doubts over the first one..

    I don’t recall any mention of visits to South East Asia. But there is mention of Persia as well as what was the Southern Soviet states (the 5 -stans) Also there is a mention of a visit to Sandy ‘Yonaka pura’. There is debate as to whether this alludes to the Arabian Peninsula, Turkey or Israel..

  306. Diyasena says:

    #303 Shankar

    “This clearly proves that srilankan kings just like the cholas roamed the high seas and controlled the oceans far and wide.”

    There was an independent investigation done on the statues and it was found that they were described in fine detail in some of Sambandar’s poems. This is irrefutable proof that the Tamil homeland spread beyond Matharai to the Southern Indian ocean, right down to Christmas island. C’mon let’s begin the fight for Austreelam.

    “Also if kings are not interested in building crap just to show off to others, but are just more interested in administrating, then too you won’t find ruins and archeological sites”

    Your right, they were probably too broke after paying tribute to Kotte and Vijayanagar to build anything..

  307. Diyasena says:

    #305 Mahesh

    “Do you mean to say that there was no interaction of Budhists between your island and the mainland India.

    There are evidences to the effect that the Budhism flourished in both sides of the Palk strait.”

    No argument on that, Pali would have been the link language in those interactions..

    “Like wise the Budhist places of worship that you see in the N and E could be of Tamil Budhist origin.”

    Most Buddhist places in the N & E have Sinhala inscriptions next to them. So they CAN’T be Tamil Buddhist in origin..

    “Now since nearly all the Tamils are Hindus and nearly all the Sinhalese are Budhists you may be claiming those Tamil Budhist places / shrines as the relics created by the Sinhala Budhists”

    The ideal solution then would be for all Tamils to convert back to Buddhism. Then it would be a unifying factor with the Sinhalese. Also they could worship at the temples in the North and East without blowing them up and putting up Kovils in their place.

    “When Tamils can sail all over to Greece, Rome, Arabia and China and trade over those places it is improbable that they would not have landed in the island.”

    They probably would have sighted or even landed, but they did not settle en-masse or build a civilization in any of the above places.. However please feel welcome to ask for a exclusive homeland in Greece, Italy or Saudi Arabia..

    As India already holds some Chinese territory, I think that would be your best bet.. Tamil Eelam in Aruanchal Pradesh.. Problem solved..

    “Also consider the fact that one Yaalpanathu pulavar was one of the poets of the sangam era.”

    When the Sangam era was in full flow the Sinhala nation had already formed. . Like Eela was derived from Seehala, Yalpana was likely derived from Yapa Patuna (Like the Portuguese derived Jafnapatao)

    “Sambandar has sung ketheeswaram”

    Various poets/ writers have written sung of El Dorado, Shanghi- La, Fuente de la Juventud etc, Lemuria etc, placing them in various places.. But without archaelogical evidence to back them those can’t be take seriously..

    Didn’t the Sangam poets sing of Lemuria as well?

  308. Gavin says:

    283. shankar ////Armed struggle was due to 1956, 58, 71,77 and 83 violence against the tamils. You seem surprised that tamils can’t get violent however much they are hammered, raped, killed and burnt alive. If you had followed the true bhuddhist philosophy all this would not have happenned in the first place. Note DBSJ’s uncle’s ear being bitten off during a peaceful satyagraha.Is satyagraha a violet demonstration for you? Don’t try to blame others when the root cause of the problem was at your end. Anyway now that book is over. … environment and economy, becoming a part of the developed world balanced by a happiness index etc///

    I believe the years of violence you talk about was due to challenging actions done by the Elitist Tamils pretending to represent the rights of all Tamils of SL. For example what happened in 1983 was a direct result of Tamil LTTE killing 17 soldiers in cold blood. Similarly all those instances you have pointed out, I am sure Tamils triggered the violence that was meted upon them. Elitist Tamils always wanted a bigger share of the pie. They thought while millions of Singhalese were living much below the poverty level in SL, they should be treated differently. They has the best education and the facilities but were not satisfied. They got assaulted because singhalese got fed up of these ungrateful fellows. Do you know what the federal party politicians did with their children? While telling tamils to revolt against the SRI on their number plates and singhala only act, they were getting a good education in colombo or abroad!!

    From about 1927 tamils preached separate state because they wanted to black mail the Singhalese government. This is the seeds of discontent they sowed. Eventually an uneducated man, prabakaren picked the message up and started a armed struggle. He had no other skills. But by an act of god, he killed the very man who too preached the same gospel amirthalingham. I am not surprised that tamils got violent but at the end what did they end up with? Their extreame greed got the better of them. I don’t blame all tamils. I have seen your contributions and you are very balenced. But not all tamils are like you. When the murderer VP was about to be killed they started an international mud flinging campaign. After he was killed, they started a war crimes story when LTTE has a million crimes attributed to them. Then they said, IDP’s are suffering even when the indians came and said, people in IDP camps are better off than those in the Indian camps!! Then the Tamils started hoodwinking the whole world and go to west in boats accusing GOSL. How on earth can these people get 40 to 50,000US$ per trip? This is the extreme level of greed they can go to. Always lie and bluff to achive their ends. Therefore the root cause remains as tamils extreme greed and their selfishness until these are eradicated and their attitude changes, singhalese needs to be on their guard. No inch is to be given. These tamils with vested interest will always belittle undermine and shit on the singhalese at every opportunity. We may become a part of the developed world but singhalese now cannot forget 30 years of violence and undermining. We will not surrender our rights or give an inch because of a world order. That is pure nonsense. If MR listened to the world order, we would have been still fighting a war!! Today, even World Bank has commented they are most pleased with SL’s financial performance. Could we have ever achieved this with the bloody tamil terrorist? The sad part is majority of Tamils leaving out the likes of mr Jayaraj and a few, supported the murderers. Singhalese should not forget this. We may still have the enemy in our midst.

  309. Anonymous says:

    289. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan :- The Mahawamsa was written by a tamil 9000 yrs back according to you. I suppose the bible too was writeen by a tamil. Your slip is showing

  310. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Citizens (#295)

    Muslims are already there and form an integral part of Tamil-speaking society for centuries in the Mannar District…It is Singalavar, Sir, and not Chingalams…500,000 Sinhalese and Muslims evicted from the North? You have problems with numbers, as one can see. Or have goofed in the zeroes?

    Many Muslims, cruelly evicted, are coming back to their homes and trades. They have, years ago, built a modern Grand Mosque that can accomodate over 3,000 – that was not there before. More will – once the State-sponsored goons are made to withdraw and sustained peace is realised. It is hoped the Sinhala bakers will also return in due time – for we miss the maalu-paang and seeni bunis very much. Only they can do it so deliciously.

    Clearly, you see through Germanic prisms. Yet another
    sick fan of the Final Solution dream. What you mean by
    ethnic integration is, in reality, forced demographic
    engineering – to render the Tamils in the North also to minority status – something done over a period of time surreptitiously in the Eastern Province. Your fond dream of “flushing down” Tamils to insignificance may take longer than the assurance you folks are given. The new Indian Consular Office there must be sending their regular reports both to Cbo/Delhi “for information and necessary action” – the routine Govt official lingo in minutes.

    Sleep well until then, Neo-Nazi dreamer. Birds of your feather are likely to create a Tamil version of Simon
    Wiesenthal is all plain to see.

    ISS

  311. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Anonymous (#310) My slip is showing? I just checked the post and see no reference to my saying anything about 9,000 years.
    Change your grass, friend. You are getting dud stuff. Read my posts when you are truly sober.

    ISS

  312. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Anonymous (#310) You also refer to the Bible/Tamil in your post. In this season of cheer I must remind you the good news one of the Wise men who visited Jerusalem as the Christ child is said to be from here. The bad news, to you that is, he’s from Jaffna. How’s that for starters?
    ISS

  313. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Diyasena (#308) Readers from India – Tamilnadu in particular – might take note of your gem “the ideal solution would be for all Tamils to convert BACK to Buddhism..” For a while they have been talking of zombies having taken over this island. But this one is a winner. Heard the Churchillian quote “the first time rats swimming towards a sinking ship”?

    You say Palan is way off the mark. I could’nt agree with you more. Not just Palan but many other raving ones here.
    But what say you on his claim “the Buddha FLEW down here thrice” I know many other readers here would like to learn
    from someone who has done much research.

    ISS

  314. Mahesh says:

    308. Diyasena

    Most Buddhist places in the N & E have Sinhala inscriptions next to them. So they CAN’T be Tamil Buddhist in origin..

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    That has to be investigated. Many Kings build a temple. They build various parts of the same temple over a period of time.

    Just because you find sinhala inscriptions on them doesn’t prove that they were exclusively constructed by Sinhala budhists.

    The role of the tamil buhists has also to be investigated.

    ———————————————

    They probably would have sighted or even landed, but they did not settle en-masse or build a civilization in any of the above places..

    ————————————————

    Please go through this link and comment

    http://www.sangam.org/ANALYSIS/ChKumar12_00.htm

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    According to Mahavamsa your king vijays married the pandya princess.

    Does not that tell that there was interaction between the island and the mainland India.

    Also Manimegalai tells about the nagatheevu, which could be your nagadipa or nainatheevu.

    If the Budhism flourished on both the sides of the palk strait why it was not mentioned in the Mahavamsa.

    Mahavamsa talks about the Chandashoka and Dharmashoka, does it talk about the Tamil Budhism.

  315. Diyasena says:

    #314 ISS,

    The conversion remark was tinged in sarcasm mate.. Maybe take your wife’s advice and go easy on the Scotch ae..

    This is not the forum to discuss religion.. It is each one’s personal belief. IF you are after mine NO I don’t believe he FLEW here. With fair winds even back then a trip from North India (or in the 3rd case Persia) could be done in less than a year..

    #311 ISS,

    When a few traders and ethnically cleansed families are termed invaders and denied their right of free movement by senile tribalists eventually the government may have to consider a permanent demographic solution as a last resort.. Let us hope it does not need to come to that..

    It is not yours to decide whether a baker or a trader or anyone else moves to the North. It is the right of anyone to move anywhere in THEIR COUNTRY at THEIR DISCRETION.. There will be NO mono-ethnic bantustans, supported by apartheid laws in any part of the island..

    Dunno about Simon Weisenthal, but a Sri Lankan version of the Mossad and Shin-Bet already exist and will take appropriate action against tribal rabble rousers at the right time…

    And your fluffy dream of India coming to preserve your apartheid statelet will be bartered off for getting a permanent security council seat.. Moreover the Delhi-wallahs are not stupid to re-create the Frankenstein monster..

    The palymyrah wall of apartheid is going in flames.. Would you like to light a cigar?

  316. Mahesh says:

    308. Diyasena

    The ideal solution then would be for all Tamils to convert back to Buddhism.

    ———————————–

    Tamils were first Hindus then then some of them followed Budhism. Why should the Tamils convert back to Budhism.

    I don’t mind if they become Budhists or Jains or any other religious people.

    I was only telling that the Tamils were first Hindus and some of them took to Budhism.

  317. Anonymous says:

    313. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan…. The bad news, to you that is, he’s from Jaffna. How’s that for starters?

    He could well be a Singhalese from jaffna!! Distortion is your game. Keep going friend; there are many crusty old Tamils like yourself, like Hitler’s ariyans myth. King Solomon was a tamil, probably high caste from jaffna like you. I am not standing on grass but you seem to be eating it.

  318. kari says:

    302.Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan
    Also, do please let me know if there is evidence of him visiting Burma, Thailand and other areas during his time.
    _____________
    What for-to get frequent flier miles?

    Mahavamam as it is does not mention Sinhala or Cigala race. It only talks about Buddhists and the king’s support for it after having committed many attrocities like murdering their predecessors, taking their wifes etc.

  319. Punchi Nilame says:

    COMMENT 317

    This debate, although totally irrelevant is becoming interesting.

    As a kid growing up in Srilanka, I remember the Hindu priests being of fair skin.

    Some one of reasonable knowledge told me that they are Brahamins and only Brahamins can become Hindu Priests,

    He also sais that there are no Brahamins in Srlanka because Tamils do not have Brahamins.

    All Brahamins are North Indians.

  320. Diyasena says:

    “According to Mahavamsa your king vijays married the pandya princess”

    There is no mention of a Pandya Princess.. Only that the Queen came from Madhura.. Without rhyme or reason people (with agendas) jump to the conclusion that it was Madhurai, Tamilnadu. They forget that there was a Madhura in Gujarat as well, the areas from which Vijaya originally came from.. Plus on their travels, the new queens entourage are said to land in two ports on the Western seaboard.. IF your coming from Mathurai, there is no need to land on any port..

    The first invaders mentioned in your article are not even South Indian.. All South Indian invaders are alluded to by their Kingdoms in the Mahavansa and Chulavansa (i.e Chola, Pandya, Pallava etc.).. Sena and Guththilka are from Jambudvipa, which at the time meant North India. Elara was likely the first South Indian..

    “If the Budhism flourished on both the sides of the palk strait why it was not mentioned in the Mahavamsa”

    On the contrary the Mahavansa does mention monk from South India who come to Anuradhapura to further their knowledge.. The Mahavansa’s primary concern was the island’s history, what happened in foreign lands beyond the Palk strait was not part of it’s scope…

    ‘Mahavamsa talks about the Chandashoka and Dharmashoka, does it talk about the Tamil Budhism’

    The man sent Buddhism to Sri Lanka and the Bodhi tree, so isn’t he important enough to warrant a mention?

    “That has to be investigated. Many Kings build a temple. They build various parts of the same temple over a period of time”

    Those different Kings left different inscriptions detailing what parts they added or what renovation they did..

    “Just because you find sinhala inscriptions on them doesn’t prove that they were exclusively constructed by Sinhala budhists”

    But that does mean Sinhalese also INHABITED the areas in ancient times.. Meaning no mono-ethnic bantustan based on exclusive homeland theory..

    “The role of the tamil buhists has also to be investigated”

    Please let us all know when you’ve found the unicorn’s Skeleton..

  321. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Punchi Nilame (#320) There are dark-skinned and light skinned Hindu Priests. It is only Brahmin priests who can enter and perform Poojas from the inner sanctum of the main temples. There are Lankan Hindu Brahmin Priests of recent Indian origin. Brahmin Priests come from South, North, East, West and Central India where they originate.

    When the late Mr Thondaman was alive, taking into view there were hundreds of Hindu temples and far less Hindu Priests in Estate areas he worked out a programme with the VishV Hindu Parishad of India where dozens of Hindus from the Plantation areas- Non-Brahmins – were authorised to perform Poojas in these temples. They underwent months of training.
    I believe the Ministry of Hindu Affairs then also had a hand in this to give official recognition. Mr PP Devaraj, earlier the Minister may be able to throw much more light on this – and so Mrs. S. Duraiswamy.

    ISS

  322. Palan says:

    306 Diyasena

    I’m afraid our friend Palan is way off the mark..
    The three visits of the Buddha are said to be within a period of seven years. Firstly to Mahiyangana (around 589BC), to Nagadvipa/ Nainatheevu in (584 BC, this is the visit regarding the brother’s quarrel not the last one) and lastly to Kelaniya (582BC)…

    I have doubts over the first one
    ,,
    316. Diyasena
    NO I don’t believe he FLEW here.

    __________________

    I remember reading about Buddha’s visits to Lanka in the web some years back , and according to it the period went for over thousand years. I asked a Buddhist friend about it and he said there were different Buddhas. Thats why I mentioned about the many Buddhas in #294. I could not find the site/s now(tha’s the advantage in web based arlicles).

    In one site I found 3+1 (bonus) visits.

    However the sites I checked now are referring to Buddha’s visits as within 8 year of enlightenment- in a more beleivable manner, similar to the way now they refer Vijaya been born not to Singha(lion) and a woman but to an outcast named Singha/Singh and the woman.

    Likewise some now dispute the first visit to Mahiyankana as it refers to sacrifices which are against Buddha’s principles(but found in Hinduism-recent Muneswaram controversy re animal sacrifices).
    It also talks about the first known ethnic cleansing when it says:
    “According to the Mahavamsa, Sri Lanka was inhabited by yakshas at the time. It says that the Buddha subdued the yakshas there and held a discourse on Dhamma with them. They were then sent to an island named Giri so that the country would be “purified” and Buddhism could be established there later on, where it would prevail “in all its glory”.

    I can then understand why some people doubt the first ‘Mahiyankana’ visit but as for me I doubt the last “Sri pada/Sivanolipadam/Adams Peak” visit.

    “It was on this third visit that the Buddha placed an imprint of his left foot on top of Sumanakuta (Samanalakanda) on the invitation of a Naga Prince named Sumanasaman as he left his foot imprints in Narmada and Saccabaddha in India”.
    It is also claimed Buddha flew to Lanka along with 500 others and placed his footprint on the summit of this sacred mountain.
    The mountain is 7,360 feet high and the Petrosomatoglyph is about 2-3 feet and shaped like a lotus(no Mahesh not Ammu’s footprint either).

    A friend disputes the second visit to “Nagadeepa” too, ashe hails from that village and has seen no acheological or other evidences of any Sinhala Buddhist shrine or the kingdom of Mahodara there. Indact he knows the original owners of the pieces of lands where the present vihara is built and one of them is his own uncle Duraisamy who had a shop & house in Maradana which were attacked & looted in 1958 riot and he has to sell his ancestral land to the Bhikku inorder to survive.

    As you have said this is not the forum to discuss religion so I am not going into this controversy or others sorrounding the relics such as tooth, bones, hairs & begging bowl but the Tamils or tamalas are always blamed when something untowards to them happened and it has created the great devide which we see today.

    297.ISS
    If the Mahawamsa was composed in today’s Lankan soil about 2,000 years ago one wonders why it was so in Pali and not in Sinhala now that many claim the Sinhala language is about 2,600 years old?

    Well there is a Cambodian Mahavamsa in that language(probably talking about Viharas built there) which is also called Extended mahavamsa as it is larger than the Pali Mahavamsa.
    That’s antiquity and genuinity is established so whats the difference?
    I doubt there is any scholar or academic specialised in both Pali & Cambodian languages to compare them and come out with the truth.
    As of late some has started to claim that some monks from Lanka has taken it there for’safekeeping’ and if so how come it is larger than the one here?

  323. Gavin says:

    278. Mahesh /////Yes. I accept that the Tamils did commit mistakes, But didn’t you do any mistake? Why did you unleash the thugs in the Galle face green and beat up people like Amir, who went to Parliament with blood in his form. You will conveniently forget your atrocities and present yourself as though you are as white as swan and only the other side is to be blamed. Accept that both sides have made mistakes. Now sit and try to resolve it honestly/////////

    You may read my response at 309 which answers your post. Let me add, singhalese acted in issues because they were spurred by the militant tamils. As long as tamils think they are different, the problem will continue. The elitist tamils always thought they were that. Foolish singhalese were complaisant to allow them to think like this. Even today, jaffna tamil always think Indian tamils are thrash. Then what do they think of the singhalese? Even worse. You have said on several occasions, militancy will arise if singhalese do not give concession to tamils. This is your ultimatum threat black mail. I say, that is good then we got a reason to sort them out once and for all. Slanka belongs to people who are willing to think this is one nation and one people. I recently met a english man who has travelled the length and bredth of india and ended up first time in SL. He was shocked at the conditions of tamil people in SL to that he has seen in india which was terribly poor. He was shocked that they had reasons to revolt. It is said 65% of tamils live in singhalese area’s. why? In coolombo, there are only 25% singhalese, outnumbered by tamils and why no violence? Because these good tamils have decided to live with their singhalese brothers unlike your tamil LTTE advisors. The singhalese did not make mistakes but they were fooled by tamil leadership who always coveted Elam from 1927. This was their underhand plan. Deceptive and misleading. Just Like LTTE talk peace but prepaire for war. Today we need one nation and one people and for better or for worse for good times and bad . if anyone does not want to put their shoulder to that, your quoted mirror will show please get out before being thrown out. Argue your rights and pay what is due to your sungod prabakaren(your quoted advice) in UK USA Canada India etc..just as india has worked it out, these countries will also work the tamils out. But in SL, don’t try your luck. Singhalese who has got fedup of militant tamil threats are quickly beginning feel they should have only singhalese in SL. This is a direct result of your tamil militant friends attitude of throwing shit at SL.

  324. Diyasena says:

    #318 Anonymous,

    His actual name was Cholavan which was later corrupted to Solomon.. Didn’t you know Jews actually were Tamils who later converted to Judaism.. Even 1/4th of Hebrew is made of Tamil words..

  325. Mahesh says:

    321. Diyasena

    There is no mention of a Pandya Princess.. Only that the Queen came from Madhura.. Without rhyme or reason people (with agendas) jump to the conclusion that it was Madhurai, Tamilnadu. They forget that there was a Madhura in Gujarat as well

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    Diyasena I am quoting below the words from the http://mahavamsa.org/2008/05/07-consecrating-vijaya/

    Please read this and then post your comments. Otherwise from your posting people may think that you are anxious to deny the links to the Tamil Nadu/south India.

    The below given words are copied and pasted from the http://www.mahavamsa.org

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    But the ministers, whose minds were eagerly bent upon the consecrating of their lord, and who, although the means were difficult, had overcome all anxious fears about the matter, sent people, entrusted with many precious gifts, jewels, pearls, and so forth, to the city of Madhura[16] in southern (India), to woo the daughter of the Pandu king for their lord, devoted (as they were) to their ruler; and they also (sent to woo) the daughters of others for the ministers and retainers.

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    No body will readily give his daughter without enquiring about the prospective bride groom and in the Mahavamsa the King it is said readily gives his daughter in marriage.

    This could be possible only if he had some humint in the lanka.

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    IF your coming from Mathurai, there is no need to land on any port..

    ———————————————

    Remember there is the sea separating the island from the Indian sub continent.

    Also the queens entourage lands in Mahathita, that is mathota.

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    Jambudvipa, which at the time meant North India.

    ———————————————-

    Jambudvipa is the name given to the Indian sub continent from Gandhara to Kanyakumari. Gandhara I am not sure, may be Gandhara, but Kashmir is sure.

    As a Bramin I know that whatever sankalpa I do i also use the name jambudvipa.

    jambudvipe, bharata varshe etc etc.
    ————————————

    Those different Kings left different inscriptions detailing what parts they added or what renovation they did..

    ——————————

    Do archeological investigations there and try to find out the truth.

    ——————————————–

    “The role of the tamil buhists has also to be investigated”

    Please let us all know when you’ve found the unicorn’s Skeleton..

    —————————————-

    You wanted to see the unicorn’s skeleton.

    I am only giving a glimpse of that here. This is by no means an exhaustive evidence.

    http://www.articlesbase.com/culture-articles/the-tamil-buddhists-of-the-past-and-the-future-3402500.html

  326. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Just to set minds at ease. When I seek answers to some questions of our ancient heritage I do not do so to belittle
    other faiths or others. My own faith/religion also is engrossed in much myth and the seemingly incredible. I am glad I have secured some answers from the labour of research of some of our more initiated readers in these pages. I also express my thanks to some of those who have replied some of the more difficult questions with grace and seriousness.

    ISS

  327. Mahesh says:

    321. Diyasena

    Without rhyme or reason people (with agendas) jump to the conclusion that it was Madhurai, Tamilnadu. They forget that there was a Madhura in Gujarat as well, the areas from which Vijaya originally came from.

    —————————————–

    Diyasena, there is no Madhura in Gujarat. There is a Mathura in UP. That is the birth place of Lord Krishna.

    In Gujarat there is Dwaraka, the place Krishna ruled from.

    Please refresh your geography, before posting here.

  328. Mahesh says:

    324. Gavin

    singhalese acted in issues because they were spurred by the militant tamils

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    Do you mean to say that they do not try to reason out. Why should they be spurred to action.

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    As long as tamils think they are different, the problem will continue.

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    You only say that they are different. They are invaders and come to the island to live from India.

    You say you are the first person to set the foot in the island and say that the island belongs to you.

    You deny their history. you do all these things and also expect them to love your island.

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    You have said on several occasions, militancy will arise if singhalese do not give concession to tamils.

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    I have only said that this is the opportune time to sort this matter out. If not the consequences will be negative. I didn’t say the militancy will arise if sinhalese do not solve this matter.

    suppose you do not solve this matter then you will be frittering away the good will of the world at large and that will be losing the war in spite of winning the battle.

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    This is your ultimatum threat black mail. I say, that is good then we got a reason to sort them out once and for all.

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    Now are you threatening here by saying you will sort out once for all.

    Don’t talk like this.

    If you do that then it will be like winning a battle but losing the war.

    i don’t want you to lose the war. If you are such a person who will want to lose the war then who can stop you from doing that.

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    He was shocked at the conditions of tamil people in SL to that he has seen in india which was terribly poor. He was shocked that they had reasons to revolt.

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    Did he go to the North and East of your island.

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    The singhalese did not make mistakes but they were fooled by tamil leadership who always coveted Elam from 1927.

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    You mean to say that Sinhalese are easily led. i do not believe this. It is an insult to them. Do not talk like this.

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    Deceptive and misleading.

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    Who is deceptive and misleading.

    You entered into bc and dc pacts and annulled it later. Who is deceptive and misleading in this.

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    But in SL, don’t try your luck. Singhalese who has got fedup of militant tamil threats are quickly beginning feel they should have only singhalese in SL.

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    Do it and again it will be like winning battle and losing the war.

  329. Diyasena says:

    #328 Mahesh,

    “Diyasena, there is no Madhura in Gujarat”

    What is this then?

    http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=mathura%20gujarat&psj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

    Apart from the famous Mathura of UP there is also a Madhura Nagar in Andhra

    #326 Mahesh

    “Jambudvipa is the name given to the Indian sub continent from Gandhara to Kanyakumari. Gandhara I am not sure, may be Gandhara, but Kashmir is sure.”

    The collective ‘Jampbudvipa’ of the Mahavansa is for the territory which ends at the borders Asoka’s empire. Anything below is referred to by their names (Solee/ Chola, Pandya etc.)

    “to the city of Madhura[16] in southern (India)”

    See the word India is in brackets, meaning guess work by the translator. It could be the Southern part of any Kingdom..

    “I am only giving a glimpse of that here”

    It’s common knowledge Tamil monks visited Anuradhapura.. But where does it give proof of a separate Tamil homeland in the North and East? Where are the inscriptions and Buddhist temples by the mythical Tamil Kings? Where are the kovils built by the Hindu kings who interspersed the Buddhist ones?
    Why are there no Tamil inscriptions or Hindu kovils appearing till the 11-12 century AD?

    That’s a ‘Koheda yanne.. Malle pol’ answer (I ask where are you going? And you answer ‘these are coconuts in my sack’)

    “Do archeological investigations there and try to find out the truth”

    There have been plenty of Archaelogical investigations done and evidence been found.. Just because the TRUTH is not palatable to you and your fellow eelamtards, does not make it less of a truth.. If you wanna do more investigations come with mammoty and komanam and we’ll give you a land to dig..Who knows you might find a few more potsherds..

  330. Diyasena says:

    #326 Mahesh

    “You only say that they are different. They are invaders and come to the island to live from India.
    You say you are the first person to set the foot in the island and say that the island belongs to you.
    You deny their history”

    Aren’t you and other doing the very same to Sinhalese in the blog here??

  331. Mahesh says:

    330. Diyasena

    What is this then?
    http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=mathura%20gujarat&psj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

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    That refers to mildura. Even if it is Madura do you mean to say that the queens came from Australia. Then Australia was discovered by King Vijaya.

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    Apart from the famous Mathura of UP there is also a Madhura Nagar in Andhra

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    Only now you said that the queens came from Gujarat. Now you are suggesting that they could have come from Andhra. That is madhura nagar colony, from Andhra.

    http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=mathura%20gujarat&psj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

    If you want to play with words then go ahead. I will not complain about it.

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    The collective ‘Jampbudvipa’ of the Mahavansa is for the territory which ends at the borders Asoka’s empire. Anything below is referred to by their names (Solee/ Chola, Pandya etc.)

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    The Mahavamsa refers to the word daughter of pandu.

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    It’s common knowledge Tamil monks visited Anuradhapura.. But where does it give proof of a separate Tamil homeland in the North and East?

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    Let us not talk about the separate tamil home land in the north and east. Let us talk about the presence of the tamils from a very long period in your island.

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    Where are the inscriptions and Buddhist temples by the mythical Tamil Kings? Where are the kovils built by the Hindu kings who interspersed the Buddhist ones?
    Why are there no Tamil inscriptions or Hindu kovils appearing till the 11-12 century AD?

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    Your archeology dept has to find the answers for this.

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    If you wanna do more investigations come with mammoty and komanam and we’ll give you a land to dig..Who knows you might find a few more potsherds.

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    Previously I had given a link about the megalithic period evidences of the human settlements in your island.

    I will give the link for that once again. Please comment on that.

    http://www.sangam.org/2008/02/Tamil_Homeland.php?uid=2781

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  332. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Diyasena (#330) “Eelamtards” is taking it too far. Just stick to the Eelamite stuff or else you will wake up fans of the guy who
    made you wet your pants/nickers – day and night for 30 years.

    ISS

  333. Navin says:

    323. Palan:

    A friend disputes the second visit to “Nagadeepa” too, ashe hails from that village and has seen no acheological or other evidences of any Sinhala Buddhist shrine or the kingdom of Mahodara there. Indact he knows the original owners of the pieces of lands where the present vihara is built and one of them is his own uncle Duraisamy who had a shop & house in Maradana which were attacked & looted in 1958 riot and he has to sell his ancestral land to the Bhikku inorder to survive.

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    Did the original owner buy the land in 600BC?

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    330. Diyasena: (your response to Mahesh)

    Why are there no Tamil inscriptions or Hindu kovils appearing till the 11-12 century AD?

    That’s a ‘Koheda yanne.. Malle pol’ answer (I ask where are you going? And you answer ‘these are coconuts in my sack’)

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    Congratulations! You just rediscovered the wheel!

  334. Navin says:

    330. Diyasena:

    From what I know, the best evidence for the presence of Hindu/Tamil culture during ancient times comes from the absence of cow in moonstones in Polonnaruwa when compared to those in Anuradhapura. I also recall this stupa called “Demala Maha seya” or something similar which was built by south Indian prisoners.

  335. Navin says:

    333. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan (response to Diyasena):

    … fans of the guy who made you wet your pants/nickers …

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    By your own standards, what level of mentality have you stooped to?

  336. Diyasena says:

    #334 Mahesh,

    He says there is evidence of a Megalithic culture but fails to elaborate what those evidences are and how they are similar to those of South India.. There were Megalithic cultures in Denmark as well, doesn;t make Denmark a Tamil homeland..

    He says the ‘Hela’ Language (which some Sinhala words are derived from) is prot-Dravidian, but fails to mention what linguistic evidence he has to prove this.. A few words would have been handy..

    He says the folk religions of the Hela were similar to those across the strait but fails to give examples of such practices..

    So whilst making BOMBASTIC CLAIMS the article gives SCANT EVIDENCE..

    The writer also gives ROBERT KNOX’s (an ordinary seaman) book (riddled with inaccuracies) as the ultimate source. He conveniently ignores the Portuguese and Dutch historians..

  337. Diyasena says:

    #335 Navin,

    Correct. As a mark of respect to the Hindu minority which go entrenched after 12th century BC, the moonstones were built without the cow..

  338. Diyasena says:

    #333 ISS,

    My my, have we just unveiled a closet eelamtard? Remember how that guy ended up wetting his less than 2 years ago?

  339. Mahesh says:

    337. Diyasena

    Also see this link.

    http://www.sangam.org/2010/08/Tamil_Struggle_3.php?uid=4034

    I quote few paras from the said article.

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    Archaeological excavations done in Vadamarachchi East have brought to light the existence of ancient human settlements in the area. Archaeology Director General of Sri Lanka, Dr. Senarath Dissanayake announced in February 2010. “We have found evidence of three old human settlements in these areas. They have spread over an area covering nearly three kilometres and are vitally important to prove the historical background of Jaffna peninsula.”

    He said they have found clay pots of varied colours indicating the time frame. He added that he believed that they belonged to the period 900 BC to the beginning of the Christian era. The excavations were done in Kandarodai.

    Kandarodai was the fist site the Archaeology Department excavated in the Jaffna peninsula. It was conducted in 1918 by a team headed by Sir Paul E. Pieris. They discovered punch-marked coins called puranas that was current in India during the 6th and 5th centuries BC . Sir Paul E. Pieris concluded from those discoveries that Kantarodai was a flourishing settlement even before the arrival of Vijaya.

    Subsequent excavations carried out in 1956 and during 1980 and 1983 showed the existence of ancient settlements at Pomparippu in the Puttalam district, Poonari in the Kilinochchi district, in the islands off the Jaffna peninsula and in several parts of the peninsula. Most of them resemble the settlements discovered in Tamil Nadu.

    From these discoveries scholars have concluded that there were migrations from the southern coast of India to the northern coastal areas of Sri Lanka. In this context the statement of Sir Paul E. Peiris becomes relevant. He said, “It stands to reason that a country which is only 30 miles from India and which would have been seen by Indian fishermen every morning as they sailed out to catch their fish, would have been occupied as soon as the Continent was peopled by men who understood how to sail.”

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  340. Gavin says:

    329. Mahesh/////Do you mean to say that they do not try to reason out. Why should they be spurred to action///

    When 17 soldiers were killed by LTTE in 1983 the Singhalese were spurred to action. In that situation, nobody reasons out. Moreover federal party politicians who instigated Tamils to behave in a confrontational manner for the past 60 yrs to achieve their own ends do not reason out. Singhalese were instigated to violence by tamil leaders who were not concerned about the consequences to their own people. The same thing is happening right now. Tamils abroad are inflaming passions because they live comfortably and tamils in SL bear the brunt of any consequences. This is similar to what idiots like your karunanidy and jayalalitha are doing.

    Whether tamils set foot on SL first or singhalese I am just not interested. You are being scatter brained. Whether tamils are invaders or the indigenous people of SL is inconsequential. However their mentality is they are different to singhalese and as long as this mentality continues, the problems will continue.

    ////suppose you do not solve this matter then you will be frittering away the good will of the world at large and that will be losing the war in spite of winning the battle./////

    That is your small world openion. SL got enough goodwill. We got to solve the poverty of our people not to please about 5% of the grumbling ungrateful tamils. They can go to hell. Of course you can make hot air threats and that’s all it will come to.
    This man from UK did go to the north, east, kandy, pollonaruwa etc before he made the judgement. That is why I told you to visit the country and see how people are without making judgements after listing to the bull shit of your LTTE tamil friends.

    /////You mean to say that Sinhalese are easily led. i do not believe this. It is an insult to them. Do not talk like this////

    Singhalese or anybody can easily be misled depending on the circumstances. That is why tamils call singhalese foolish. They were duped by the tamils and they can act on impulse. They are simple people and at the start, they were just too shocked at the brutality of LTTE killings. It took about 10yrs for the general singhalese public to realise that LTTE and their majority tamil backers can be so brutal and unreasonable, finally, GOSL offered the north and east to the tamils. Mind you this was about 35% of the land area to about 6% of the population because 65% of the tamils were living outside north and east. Even this offer did NOT please your sungod who wanted to control the whole island and go on whipping the singhalese arses. At this point even the very moderate Singhalese were totally fed up with the tamils. They just wanted all of them vamboozed. This is why MR is so terribly popular even when many people are starving in SL because he got rid of the cursed tamil terrorism.

    ////////You entered into bc and dc pacts and annulled it later. Who is deceptive and misleading in this//////////

    unless you are totally screw balled, you would have read on this blog both singhalese and tamils saying what happenned in the BC pact. This is the problem with you. You consume LTTE dog shit and it is reaching your bird brain. Somebody said on this blog ..BC pact was done in good faith by both parties and banda couldn’t implement it because it failed to get majority support. This was nothing deceptive or misleading.

  341. Gavin says:

    340. Mahesh///////You are quoting a tamil journalist who will be inclined to tip the opinion in favor of his own people depending on his political preferences. This of course does not apply to mr jayarajah who is quite honest in what he has to say. As for sir paul pieries, I think it was his son, paul pieris who was the archeological commissioner in SL who said he discovered the balangoda man who lived 60,000yrs back in SL and eventually became a laughing stock of international scholars. He got a son in SL who also seem to make some outlandish comments when he gets into a mood. Your friend ISS has been quoting him I think whenever convenient. Reminds me of tamils quoting the Singhalese Brian seneviratna saying he is chandrika’s cousin( which is correct) but supports the tamil elam. If senviratna was against elam, he would not be quoted!! Today, people can go to the net and get quite a good set of articles to support their views without a problem.

  342. Diyasena says:

    “Kandarodai was the fist site the Archaeology Department excavated in the Jaffna peninsula”

    This is irrlevant to this debate, but for the knowledge of others. Kandarodai/ Kandurugoda, is the place of vast Buddhist temple complex, known as the Boro Budur of Sri Lanka..

    “Most of them resemble the settlements discovered in Tamil Nadu”

    Again failure to mention how they resemble those of Tamilnadu, more importantly how they do not resemble those of the other areas in the world..

    “would have been occupied as soon as the Continent was peopled by men who understood how to sail.”

    That is under the assumption that Sri Lanka was terra nullis.. Which it was not.. The local tribes would not have allowed for foreign fisherman to come and settle just like that. Vijaya and his followers met stiff resistance from the Helas, as did the settlers who followed till the reign of Pandukabhaya

    Until an immovable Tamil inscription is found which predates the earliest Sinhala one or a mummfied corpse is found which DNA can be extracted to compare with the Sinhala and Tamil DNA,
    All those fancy theories are NOTHING but hot air..

    So let go of the n-button, grab a mammoty and jump on a boat to SL.. When you don’t find your unicorn at least the ground you dig could be used for some other useful purpose..

  343. shankar says:

    #340-mahesh
    [“It stands to reason that a country which is only 30 miles from India ]
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    At one time srilanka was part of india and india was part of madagascar and madagascar was part of africa.Madagascar broke off africa and india broke away from madagascar and went upwards and slammed into asia thereby creating the himalayas.that is why the original inhabitants of india and srilanka are the dravidians the cousins of the africans. Everyone else including sinhalese and aryans came much later.

    Like a jisaw puzzle you can fit the western part of india to madagascar and you can fit madagascar to tanzania. Also you can fit western australia to eastern part of india where bangladesh is.Aborogines in australia also cousins of the africans. Try doing it with an atlas, cutting out the pieces.Brazil also can be fitted perfectly where nigeria is. Australia also can be fitted into antartica.

  344. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Even the minor headway the Rajapakse clique made to bring the Tamil Nation into the fold is sabotaged by racial drenched congenital liars like Gavin (#341/342) The 13 soldiers has become 17 to this Tamil-hater. His efforts to cover the many months conspiracy planned to destroy the Tamils in the South in a blood-bath “the Sinhalese were spurred into action” is long discredited when Cyril Mathews hordes showed up in front of wealth Colombo homes in Zones 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 – in particular showing military precision – and stole the valuables and set many in flame during 7/83.. This they did within a few hours of the Tinnevely incident is now globally established and duly condemned. Over 200 innocent civilians in Jaffna were shot to death by the army within hous (in the street, in temples, in buses) is still hidden from the Sinhala people.

    Deranged of this calibre should not evoke the names of thorough Sinhala gentlemen like the respected interrnational academic Dr.Shiran Deraniyagala. I am sure the distinguished Dr. SD will ignore contemptously Gavin’s prejudiced-prone remarks caculated to inflame the Sinhalese against him e.g. “laughing stock”

    ISS

  345. Mahesh says:

    341. Gavin

    This man from UK did go to the north, east, kandy, pollonaruwa etc before he made the judgement.

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    Why don’t you allow UN into those areas, if you have nothing to hide.

    If the UN says then everybody will agree to it. We do not know the credentials of this man that you are talking about.

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    Somebody said on this blog ..BC pact was done in good faith by both parties and banda couldn’t implement it because it failed to get majority support. This was nothing deceptive or misleading.

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    Whether it was planned or not, the govt was forced to annul the accords under the pressure of the majority and also the clergy.

    That was the root cause of the problem. Then came the LTTE. What was the provocation for the 1956, 58, jaffna library burning, the 1983, the tamil conference incident, the threat of the JR to the Tamils etc.

    Please do talk about that also.

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    You are quoting a tamil journalist who will be inclined to tip the opinion in favor of his own people depending on his political preferences.

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    He has quoted from the archeological evidences of your govt.

    Don’t talk about the man but talk about the issues here.

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    343. Diyasena

    This is irrlevant to this debate, but for the knowledge of others. Kandarodai/ Kandurugoda, is the place of vast Buddhist temple complex, known as the Boro Budur of Sri Lanka..

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    Please also read this

    http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2010/08/people-and-cultures-of-prehistoric-sri.html

    http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2010/08/people-and-cultures-of-prehistoric-sri_21.html

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    Again failure to mention how they resemble those of Tamilnadu, more importantly how they do not resemble those of the other areas in the world

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    The findings or the gist is published in those papers. If you want to see the actual research documents then you could get them from the competent authorities. In a news paper what could be given was given. Now you could find out the full text from the authorities concerned.

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    That is under the assumption that Sri Lanka was terra nullis.. Which it was not.. The local tribes would not have allowed for foreign fisherman to come and settle just like that.

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    The culture on both the sides of the palk strait was similar was the findings of the said team.

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    Until an immovable Tamil inscription is found which predates the earliest Sinhala one or a mummfied corpse is found which DNA can be extracted to compare with the Sinhala and Tamil DNA,
    All those fancy theories are NOTHING but hot air..

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    When you find one or two such movable evidences you can say those were that of the strangers visiting sri lanka. When the evidences are in large numbers which point that the culture was similar between the two sides of the palk strait then that also has to be given due weight age.

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  346. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Shankar (#344) ….There is valid and wide debate on the
    “Aryan” factor. It is true there were dark, tan and fair-skinned people in the Indian Sub Continent. People in and around the Himalayas were fairer than the others living in the more sunny areas. The Persians who came to the Gujarai parts of India were the Farsis – and they were fleeing Islamic terrorism then. This Crisis of Identity matter is going to be with us for sometime – with interesting interpretations.

    ISS

  347. Palan says:

    344. shankar

    You are right.
    What you are referring is called Gondwanaland (consisting Africa, Antartica, Australia, India & New Zealand plus some Islands)by modern day scientists & geologists, which started breaking up 180 MYA.

    There were emigrations from African to Asia even afterwards and Bab el mandeb(the gate of tears-in arabic) bridge connecting Djibouti and Yemen, & Khyber Pass bear evidence to the land routes.

    Further, new DNA studies have matched East Afirican people to some in Tamilnadu close to Ariyalur where the fossilised Dynosaur eggs were found(carbon dated 80 MYA).
    Very recently there were also finds in Taminadu sanctuaries,of some birds & mammals last found in Madagascar and thought to be extinct.

    Gondwanaland(any connection to Gond or Khonds-Dravidian tribals?)could be or the parent of Lemuria or Kumari kandam referred in Tamil epics(including Kalitthokai & Solappathikaram), which existed south of the present Kollam & Kanyakumari districts & consisted Old Madurai and Kapadapuram

  348. Gavin says:

    346. Mahesh////Why don’t you allow UN into those areas, if you have nothing to hide.If the UN says then everybody will agree to it. We do not know the credentials of this man that you are talking about////////

    The man I am talking about has traveled the length and breadth of India several times and has mostly lived among it’s holy people. He is a spiritual seeker. He is a professional. I don’t control the UN and you should know that. UN has not solved any problems of the world. It is only a talk shop. Aun sun se was imprisoned in Burma for more than 10yrs and what did they do? If UN can solve international problems, then we won’t be having all this conflict in the world. The most important player and the most respected is India. What was India’s attitude to this issue? That is where you can really get the best insight. Think about it.

    ////Whether it was planned or not, the govt was forced to annul the accords under the pressure of the majority and also the clergy. That was the root cause of the problem. Then came the LTTE. What was the provocation for the 1956, 58, jaffna library burning, the 1983, the tamil conference incident, the threat of the JR to the Tamils etc. Please do talk about that also//////.

    Again you may not be reading the contributors to this blog properly. Somebody said there is 80% singhalese in the parliament and about 12% tamils. It was the same at Banda’s time and the majority was against the implementation of the BC pact. That is democracy. That is why the minority should make their case convincing for some people in the majority to get to their side. It is not the root cause of the problem. I have said this in my previous post and you don’t seem to be reading. The root cause was the tamils continuous agitation for this and that lead by elitist tamils pretending to represent all the tamils when they were only looking after their interest. Tamils are not the only minority group in SL but they were always talking about their rights and privileges. There were many many tamils who worked perfectly well with the majority but these excellent people were either killed or side lined by the more ambitious ones who thought they should have more and more and more . Burning of library and other incidents occurred because the singhalese were spurred to that due to constant agitation of the tamils through out the last 60 to 70 years which eventually drove some singalese to the waters edge. Once the good will is lost and both parties are aggrieved, anything can happen. Example, If you go on calling for certain demands which I don’t think you are justified and reasonable and I am not convinced, then over time, I can get confrontational. That is when singhalese acted on impulse. Minister Thondaman was one of the few tamil leaders who got everything he wanted for his people from singhalese while the high caste elitist tamils from jaffan failed to do so due to their arrogance and pig headedness. You can see the same attitude currently being displayed by your friend ISS at 345. Just think, if one tamil is successful, and other not with the same mob of people, what does that show you?

    //////I have quoted a tamil journalist who has quoted from the archeological evidences of your govt.Don’t talk about the man but talk about the issues here//////

    This guy has just twisted the archeological evidence. I have read many people who quote things and then come to their own conclusions to meet their mind frame. This is exactly what this guy is doing and you are doing the same thing by your final conclusions.

  349. Mahesh says:

    343. Diyasena

    This is irrlevant to this debate, but for the knowledge of others. Kandarodai/ Kandurugoda, is the place of vast Buddhist temple complex, known as the Boro Budur of Sri Lanka..

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    The said Budhist complex is Mahayana Budhist complex says the report. Yours is Theravada Budhism. Mahayana Budhism was practiced in Tamil Nadu.

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    That is under the assumption that Sri Lanka was terra nullis.. Which it was not.. The local tribes would not have allowed for foreign fisherman to come and settle just like that. Vijaya and his followers met stiff resistance from the Helas,

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    The archeological evidences point to the similar cultures in both the sides of the palk strait. Does it not mean that they were peopled by the people belonging to the same ethnic stock.

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    342. Gavin

    Paul Peiris was knighted. This itself shows that his works were respected.

  350. Gavin says:

    342. Gavin://////Paul Peiris was knighted. This itself shows that his works were respected////////

    During Paul pieris time, an arse licker of the British can be knighted. PP was held in high esteem in certain circles and he was a member of the ruling Singhalese elite. However all this does not mean he was always correct. Newton’s theories were disproved by Einstein while some of Einstein’s theories have been proved to be wrong currently. PP is much below the stature of Einstein or Newton.

  351. Gavin says:

    345. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan///////Even the minor headway the Rajapakse clique made to bring the Tamil Nation into the fold is sabotaged by racial drenched congenital liars like Gavin (#341/342) The 13 soldiers has become 17 to this Tamil-hater. Deranged of this calibre should not evoke the names of thorough Sinhala gentlemen like the respected interrnational academic Dr.Shiran Deraniyagala. I am sure the distinguished Dr. SD will ignore contemptously Gavin’s prejudiced-prone remarks caculated to inflame the Sinhalese against him e.g. “laughing stock”/////////////

    The tenor of your post shows who you are and therefore I need not comment as to what I think of you. What does it matter whether it was 17 or 13 soldiers? The principle was that they were killed in cold blood and Singhalese retaliated. You got to blame your sundog for this. He should have realised the repercussion that his act would bring on his people but you have left him off the hook!! That means according to you, 13 or 17 soldiers killed and GOSL should sit on their hands and scratch their heads?? Do nothing or come and lick the sun dog’s arse and ask for forgiveness? Also blame your sun god for not accepting the north and east when it was offered and blame him for taking bribes and putting MR on the driving seat which went to get him killed.

    Of course as a tamil, you must be very disappointed because the tamils tried everything to screw the singhalese and finally has visions of NOT Elam in north and east but to control the whole of SL and all this fell flat. Blame you sundog who hid behind the old and feeble women in the last days of the war. He and his leaders who brought death and destruction to thousands finally wanted to break out of the SLA encirclement and live another day. What a great Tamil hypocrite and a traitor? All this while majority Tamils like yourself very well knowing what he was doing kept silent because of your day dream of elam. Amount of people killed and atrocities committed is immaterial for you guys as long as Elam is fulfilled.

    You can quote jokers like SD to bring some credibility to what you are saying but people who know him and his father knows some of the things they said and did were crazy. But you will embrace anyone who will support your cause. This is the limits you guys will go to attain your dream and to vilify and disgrace Singhalese.

    It is certainly people of your mind set who lit the fuse for uneducated people like VP to go onto murder. Misguided nuts who think the whole world started with Tamils and will end with them. Thank god we got some sensible Tamils in SL who will not share your mind set and your day dreams.

  352. Mahesh says:

    349. Gavin

    This guy has just twisted the archeological evidence. I have read many people who quote things and then come to their own conclusions to meet their mind frame. This is exactly what this guy is doing and you are doing the same thing by your final conclusions.

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    These were not the works of the said author. That is the work of the archeologists. he was merely quoting from them. I have also posted links to that effect from the papers published from your island. Please go through that also.

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    you talked about the banda pact. and you put the blame on the tamils for its annulment. The banda pact doesnt talk about tamil homeland concept. it talked about issues within the united sri lanka. your monks rallied against it for their own reasons and sabotaged it.

    you cannot go on saying that you were spurred to action. that is not accepted. then why didn’t you were spurred into action after 1983.

    Their is more than substantial blame on your shoulders. Dont put all the blame on the tamils.

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    You said the most respected players in the region are the indians what is their reaction to this.

    The Indian govt has not come in support of the lanka govt in respect to the un investigations openly.

  353. Navin says:

    344. shankar:

    India met Asia and started forming the Himalayan mountains 50 million years ago. Humans first appeared only 200,000 years ago. Now do the math.

  354. Mahesh says:

    351. Gavin

    During Paul pieris time, an arse licker of the British can be knighted. PP was held in high esteem in certain circles and he was a member of the ruling Singhalese elite.

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    C.V Raman was also knighted. Many were knighted. Einstein disproving some thing of Newton and somebody disproving Einstein doesnt hold water.

    You also try to disprove PP’s works in a scientific manner and then tell.

    Instead you are killing the messenger.

    This shows your closed minds.

    First question was raised as to the evidence of the budhism in tamil nadu. then comes the acceptance.

    Now when the whole evidence points to the madurai of tamil nadu suddenly madurai from gujarat and also madura nagar colony from andhra are cited as possible madurais.

    And even mildura from australia is cited as the candidate of the queens origin.

    it goes to prove that you will accept any link other than the tamil link.

    even if you accept the keralite link the keralites are chera people.

    Jayawewa. The one who controls the present controls the past and the future.

    the one who doesn’t learn from the history is bound to repeat it.

  355. Navin says:

    351. Gavin:
    355. Mahesh:

    One little, two little, three little Indians
    Four little, five little, six little Indians
    Seven little, eight little, nine little Indians
    Ten little Indian boys.

    Ten little, nine little, eight little Indians
    Seven little, six little, five little Indians
    Four little, three little, two little Indians
    One little Indian boy.

    One little, two little, three little ….

  356. Gavin says:

    353. Mahesh////these were not the works of the said author. That is the work of the archeologists. he was merely quoting from them. I have also posted links to that effect from the papers published from your/////

    Your man was using archeological reports to put his version of events. He was just being deceptive and misleading. But if it fits your frame of mind so be it.

    /////you talked about the banda pact. and you put the blame on the tamils for its annulment. you cannot go on saying that you were spurred to action. that is not accepted. then why didn’t you were spurred into action after 1983.Their is more than substantial blame on your shoulders. Dont put all the blame on the tamils/////

    I did not blame tamils for annulment. you misquote me. Pact ended in frustration. After 1983 singhalese realised sundog had spurred them to action, which drove people to LTTE. Therefore GOSL took precautions so such actions shall not be repeated. Secondly GOSL decided for peace and offered NE to LTTE. It was rejected and I blame the tamils for this and many more such failures. In hindsight I think it was an act of god because if tamils agreed for NE they would have still created trouble for singhalese as long as LTTE was operative. I heard mr jayaraj signaled them to accept the deal.

    ////The Indian govt has not come in support of the lanka govt in respect to the un investigations openly//// you misunderstood me. Read indian government’s attitude.

  357. Diyasena says:

    #350 Mahesh,

    “The said Budhist complex is Mahayana Budhist complex says the report. Yours is Theravada Budhism. Mahayana Budhism was practiced in Tamil Nadu.”

    What a load of tosh..

    Only the Mahavihara school practiced Theravada.. The Abhayagiri (for a long period) and Jetavana schools practiced Mahayana.. Several kings sponsored both schools whilst some persecuted one whilst sponsoring others..

    In the article you published in #326, gives names of Tamilnadu monks who visited/ studied at the Mahavihara shcool, meaning their was Theravada Buddhism in South India as well..

    “Paul Peiris was knighted. This itself shows that his works were respected”

    So if someone kneels before your white master’s queen and voila he is respected.. The illegal logger Tiong Hiew King was also knighted by the queen, so kinghthood = respect is a rather lopsided assumption..

    If we go by titles, how about ‘Rao Bahadur’ Krishnaswamy Aiyanagar who acknowledged the ancient Sinhala presence in Jaffna and that Eelam was the Tamil translation of Seehala (meaning Sinhala country)

    #346 Mahesh

    “The findings or the gist is published in those papers. If you want to see the actual research documents then you could get them from the competent authorities”

    When writing a paper it is accepted practice to acknowledge the author and the source.. In the article you gave in #340 there is scant reference to sources and only a few to author.. Vague terms such as ‘Archaeologists say’ and ‘experts believe’ are used (with no in-text references to support), meaning either the writer is citing ‘incompetent authorities’ or completely twisting what the actual sources say to suit his own agenda..

  358. Mahesh says:

    Gavin I had posted two links to the lankan newspaper. The article quotes the archeological evidence of the culture prevailing on both sides of the palk strait.

    Please comment on that.

    If you want to target sabanayagam or paul peiris please do it with facts and figures. Just discrediting will not do.

    ————————————————–

    Pact ended in frustration.

    ————————————————-

    Pact ended in frustration due to the demonstration and agitation of the monks. So they have also to be blamed.

    ————————————————

    you misunderstood me. Read indian government’s attitude.

    ————————————————-

    The Indian govt is also for a honorable political settlement and they are pushing for it behind the scenes.

    So far you have only seen the carrot side of the Indian diplomacy. If you are again going to make mess of things then the attitude will change.

  359. shankar says:

    354. Navin | December 24th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    344. shankar:

    India met Asia and started forming the Himalayan mountains 50 million years ago. Humans first appeared only 200,000 years ago. Now do the math.
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    Homosapiens appeared as you rightly pointed out between 100000 to 300000 years ago based fossils. The date is found by the volcanic rocks found with the fossils.If there are no volcanic rocks with the fossils then there is no argon gas which are in the rocks through which we can find the precise dates.

    So the 100000 to 300000 years is from fossils throgh which we can find the precise dates. The fossils itself cannot give us the dates, only the vocanic rocks that are there with the fossils.

    Also there might be yet undiscovered fossils and also fossils that have been completely destroyed. Common sense says the older they are the harder it would be to find as they can be hidden more and more due to changes the planet may have undergone and also due to huge changes such as the ice age, completely wiping out or burying all fossils.

    So the 100000-300000 years has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Science is precise and requires evidence and the scientists have given dates from the evidence they have got. They don’t have unlimited money to be burrowing into every mountain and valley. Most of these are found accidentally.The earth is yet to reveal all its secrets.

    there is another problem here also. before homosapiens there was homo erectus and neanderthels.There may have been interbreeding and they may have significantly contributed to the human race. Some of them might be even now in srilanka because we would not have had so much of problems if they are completely extinct. Whenever we are on the verge of a lasting peace some neanderthel always pops up.

    As for india knocking into asia 200 million years ago, you are slightly incorrect.madagacar seperated from africa 167 million years ago. India seperated from madagascar later, 120 million years ago. For it to slowly go and strike asia would have taken some more time, precisely 45 million years ago.

    You are right that still when you do the maths it becomes difficult to envisage humans there so long ago, but don’t forget that the age where the continents moved into the present positions is known as the age of mammals. So if we had birds and mammals then, who knows why not humans. However all that is conjecture without any fossil evidence and you are quite right to point out the gap between the 2 events. As i believe in god,i think that when he created the earth he also created life including human, neanderthel, homoerectus or whatever. Scientists may have to wait till they get evidence because that is the principle on which their profession revolves, but i rely on my commonsense and the precision and perfection with which the universe and life has been created coudn’t be an accident.

    Scientifically we can only say that in indian subcontinent the harrappa civilization finds prove that there was dravidian civilization more than 5000 bc and the aryans came to india 1500- 2000bc.Compared to when india created the himalayas 45 million years ago, the gap is very large indeed to make any conclusions about who really was there first. I just presumed that because it came from africa people of african descent must have come it. How else can you explain colourwise as well as facial features,how some tamils can be so similar to africans. Also how do you explain the aborogines of australia resembling africans, when the lands are so far apart.

  360. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Gavin sadly appears to be an imbalanced person. The language he uses on a decent gentleman like Dr. Shiran Deraniyagala and his illustrious father is an index of his pitifu condition. It is characteristic of people of this nature to crack up when their data and positions are proved to be patenly false.

    Fortunately, since 1983 the thinking Sinhalese are increasingly outnumbering the rabid hate-mongers.
    Therefore, it is unlikely the seditious comment calculated to create hate “Tamils tried everything to screw the Sinhalese” is unlikely to find fertile soil. The way things are in the country – where in this season of good cheer even ordinary food for the table is missing – makes it clear you don’t need assistance from other communities to the destruction you have wrought.
    You are doing pretty well all by yourselves.

    My comments over the years is proof enough I am no VP fan or supporter – and neither am I for Eelam.
    But, nonetheless, even at his height Sun God, to use your term, never bargained for “total control of the entire Island” – an invention designed to create havoc that can spring from one deep in the depths of paranoia. Friend, run to the nearest shrink before you cause further harm to you and others around you.

    ISS

  361. Mahesh says:

    356. Navin

    When are you going to come out of your Kindergarten mindset.

  362. Gavin says:

    355. 359.Mahesh ////// Now when the whole evidence points to the madurai of tamil nadu suddenly madurai from gujarat and also madura nagar colony from andhra are cited as possible madurais///////

    Are you a nut case? I never raised this issue and I am not interested. You remind me of the dog trying to catch its tail going round and round. When I was little child like you it gave me great pleasure to watch it.

  363. Navin says:

    354. Navin | December 24th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    344. shankar:

    India met Asia and started forming the Himalayan mountains 50 million years ago. Humans first appeared only 200,000 years ago. Now do the math.

    ———–

    As for india knocking into asia 200 million years ago, you are slightly incorrect.

    ————

    Look at your own writing again and tell me who is correct.

    ————

    there is another problem here also. before homosapiens there was homo erectus and neanderthels.

    ————-

    Homo genus itself is no more than couple of million years old whereas Himalayans are 50 million years old. All humans that walk on Earth today are Homo sapiens. Well of course if you tell me that VP was a neanderthel I might make an exception but in all other cases your theory is just too far fetched.

    Besides, all this is just based on skin color? These are all later adaptations. Do you know why Europeans are bigger and Asian’s are smaller or why Africans have long legs? Do you know why Africans have curly hair while Europeans have straight hair? Trust me they are all Homo sapien sapien nonetheless:-)

    Start with human migration instead of evolution.

  364. Mahesh says:

    Diyasena

    Please also read this

    http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2010/08/people-and-cultures-of-prehistoric-sri.html

    http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2010/08/people-and-cultures-of-prehistoric-sri_21.html

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    These links were given in 346. Please go through them and give your comments.

  365. shankar says:

    #364-navin

    Homo genus itself is no more than couple of million years old whereas Himalayans are 50 million years old
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    Glad you have climbed down the himalayas from 200 million to 50 million.What is 50 million compared to the fact that the earth was created 4.5 billion years ago.Life would have been created soon after, because unlike venus which is too close to the sun and mars which is too far away, earth is at the exact distance for life to exist, and thatdistance has not changed for the 4.5 billion years.Life started as bacteria in the sea.The dinosaurs dissapeared 65 million years ago, well before india collided with asia. Are you telling me that these huge creatures could have existed but not ape like creatures from which we have evolved, and some entered our parliament. A major geological event killed off the dinosaurs but smaller species may have survived.

    As i mentioned earlier the earth is yet to reveal all its secrets. In another billion years we might know much more about it.I rest my case on that note.

  366. shankar says:

    #364-navin

    Start with human migration instead of evolution
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    If you want to see how we evolved,just look at this

    http://www.youtube.com/user/tamillion1#p/a/u/1/cMDHKuXx0AQ

  367. Navin says:

    366. shankar:

    Glad you have climbed down the himalayas from 200 million to 50

    ———-

    In 354 I said India merged with Asia 50 million years ago. You are the one who made the error.

  368. Navin says:

    367. shankar:

    This is just trash. MR has his set faults. Man is a cunning fox but still, thanks to him people are safe from VP’s terror or according to ISS, do not wet their pants. I’m not an MR loyalist but nor an ungrateful bastard.

  369. shankar says:

    Sorry navin. You are right. You mentioned 50 million years. my error. As for the video, i won’t call it trash. It was very humorous and i nearly died laughing.We must not lose our renowned humour and become serious like singaporeans and malaysians and other people.

    As for MR being a cunning fox you mention, iam surprised by that. Compared to many others like JRJ etc i thought he was much more straightforward character.What you see seems to be what you get. However to survive in srilankan politics is not easy and you can’t be a saint.You have to be tough and ruthless because of the type of characters you have to deal with, always trying to pull the rug out under your feet. If you look at the history of our monarchs you will see they could never sleep in peace. Overall taking into consideration the big picture and the type of leaders we have had previously i am satisfied about MR as a human being. Nobody is prfect in this world and we could have got landed with a really nutty or nasty character much worse than MR who could have used the practically unlimited powers of the presidency to become a absolute tyrant. With MR at least the door is always open to communicate and put forward your views. He never says i don’t want to talk to these fellows.

    It is an absolute pity that the last part of the war was conducted in such a manner. It has more or less irrevocably destroyed the relationship that MR could have built with the tamils. Because of the bad blood generated by the killings and the tamils baying for blood, i don’t know whether the relationship can be ever repaired. Killing of the LTTE guys is not a problem and probably will fade with time, but the killing of such a large amount of civilians unnnecessarily in the final 2 weeks is the problem.

  370. Gavin says:

    361. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan////Gavin The language he uses on a decent gentleman like Dr. Shiran Deraniyagala and his illustrious father is an index of his pitifu condition. comment calculated to create hate “Tamils tried everything to screw the Sinhalese” is unlikely to find fertile soil. But, nonetheless, even at his height Sun God, to use your term, never bargained for “total control of the entire Island” – an invention designed to create havoc that can spring from one deep in the depths of paranoia. Friend, run to the nearest shrink before you cause further harm to you and others around you/////

    Shiran got the job at the archeological department due to his father being the head and due to their very close relationship with the bandaranayaka’s. while more qualified but less connected “ordinary” srilankans did not stand a chance. His farther brought SL to laughing stock with “Balangoda man theory” which was rubbished by international people. Don’t tell me you are totally ignorent of these events like an ostrich with it’s head in the sand but as these people are supporters of your cause they become decent and outstanding gentlemen!! I have become a pariah in your eyes.

    LTTE killed gamini, premadasa, lalith and nearly killed chandrika. Because they want the whole SL establishment destabilised, weakened and in turmoil. Then they can call the shots. They were not happy with north and east which was offered as they aspired more. Majority tamils supported this because from 1927 tamils were on their separate state thrust. They knew until they distroy the singhala leadership, they wont get their dream. They undermined SL at every occasion and CONTINUE to do so. People like mr jayaraj spoke out and got assaulted. Where did we hear your voice then? Of course now that they are defeated, every tamil has become a moderate. Ha Ha End of last war there were no Nazi’s but only anti Nazi’s!!!!

    Go and pay pooja to the rajapaksa brothers who got us out of the clutches of Tamil murderers operating under the guise of freedom fighters and oppressed set of people. Gotabaya follows the correct path. If you are reasonable whether singhalese tamil or any other from timbuktu you will be treated with respect. If you are a rabble rouser your head is on the chopping block. If you are floating between the two options get out of the country. This is the only message to people spewing discontent. As George bush said either you are for us or against us and our enemy, there is nothing in-between.

    India has realised GOSL is much more important than the little pro LTTE tamil twits jumping up and down. SL tamils even don’t have the sincere support of their great brothers of tamil nadu. That is the reality and india knows that. You guys are not taken seriously. Little cardboard heroes. Today every tamil like you has a duty to rebuild SL because last 30yrs you did not do that. Stop making excuses and laughing at your singhalese brothers and undermining GOSL.

  371. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Gavin (#371) A Mahadenamutta like you should have known the LTTE may not have been behind the killing of Gamini D, Premadasa and Lalith A This includes Rajiv Gandhi too. The widely accepted theory is their technology/personnel may have been used for filthy lucre. . Lalith lodged his entries with the Police naming a well known Pettah gangster – a Premadasa creature – has been given the Contract to kill him. The speculation is also when Gamini and a host of top UNPers men died at Thotalanga one of the chief organisers of the UNP in the area was missing. What is the story behind cleaning up Armour Street hours after the Premadasa bombing when vital evidence was destroyed
    by careful design. The Benazir Bhutto’s killing too had the same pattern – though the LTTE is not suspected there.
    I certainly am not saying VP/LTTE are saints. They have committed much more abominable killings. But in those you list, there is room for much doubt.

    I don’t know what you have in mind when you use the term
    “Pariah” but to me you are a passionate interlocutor – and I respect your views. What I object to is the poor language you use to attack respectable people. Very few people will agree with you on your acerbic description of both Sir Paul Peiris and Shiran D. Doubtless, you have a personal vendetta on the son – an urbane gentleman of much learning, courtly manners and personal charm..

    The right temple to pay pooja for the removal of the Tigers from our mist is not Medamulana or its royals, my man.
    It is more New Delhi who cunningly got the SLA to do their
    blood-stained dirty work. The clever devils made sure history will not blame them for what VP brought upon himself and his family.

    Compliments of the Season and a Happy Newyear.

    ISS

  372. shankar says:

    navin

    This is what i meant when i said that the earth has yet to reveal all its secrets and in another billion years you and i will be able to learn much more(provided we are reincarnated hopefully, though as a bhuddhist you might prefer not to suffer as Lord Bhuddha said life is suffering).You will have to increase your estimate of 200000 years by 100 percent now, within 2 days of us talking on this topic.

    [JERUSALEM — Israeli archaeologists say they may have found the earliest evidence yet for the existence of modern humans.

    A Tel Aviv University team excavating a cave in central Israel said Monday they found teeth that were about 400,000 years old. The earliest Homo sapiens remains found until now are half that old, and were discovered in Ethiopia.]

  373. Puma says:

    Gavin
    GOSL decided for peace and offered NE to LTTE. It was rejected and I blame the tamils for this and many more such failures.

    Could you show evidences for that. Not archeological or other difficult stuffs.
    Just legal or constitutional evidences. Or even some extracts from the Parliament’s Hansard would do.

    Suppose it was offered why was it not offered to the tamils and only offered to LTTE?
    If the Sinhalese are willing to offer and Tamils are willing to accept who is VP or LTTE to reject.
    Now that he is not there, just offer it without waiting for Expert Panel, All Panel, LRRC Reports and the like.

  374. Mahdanamutta says:

    —–”LTTE may not have been behind the killing of Gamini D, Premadasa and Lalith A This includes Rajiv Gandhi too.—– Says Mr Sengutuan,

    Is Mr Sengutuan denying what his ideology guru admitted himself that VP bumped off Mr Rajiv Gandhi.?

    Isn’t it a surprise that the current Indian Leadership loathes the Tiger supporters? although Mr Sengutuan is expecting the Gandhi Junior to help him establish a mini Eelam.

  375. Mahadanamutta says:

    374 Puma,

    Where have you been mate ???????

  376. Gavin says:

    372. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan//// I am not at all surprised at your response which puts the blame on others for the killings of premadasa, lalith and gamini. You have taken the well known LTTE line of never acknowledging their brutal killings. I have laid out the reasons why these gentlemen whom you use to support your views are fake but you have conveniently avoided commenting on the facts. Our actions speak for us not our words my friend. Of course paying pooja to india is a less demeaning option than doing that to the rajapaksas for a high minded tamil. The new year will be good for both you and me and our respective people depending on our attitudes.

  377. Gavin says:

    374. Puma///GOSL decided for peace and offered NE to LTTE. It was rejected and I blame the tamils for this and many more such failures.
    Could you show evidences for that. Suppose it was offered why was it not offered to the tamils and only offered to LTTE?
    If the Sinhalese are willing to offer and Tamils are willing to accept who is VP or LTTE to reject.. Now that he is not there, just offer it without waiting for Expert Panel, All Panel, LRRC Reports and the like.////////////////

    Puma, if you ask me to show evidence that LTTE killed Rajive, I wont be able to do so. Similarly this is what I have heard from many sources including tamil LTTE supporters. I was also told by these tamils that some moderate tamils wanted Prabakaren to accept the deal. I also heard mr jayaraj also tried to achieve the same end and balasingham was for it. But VP did not agree. I believe this is because VP was not a man of the world. He was a fighter and he couldn’t transform himself to be a statesmen and a politician. He wanted much more leverage on the GOSL. LTTE at that time were the self appointed sole representatives of the tamil people after killing all the moderate tamils and their political leadership. I think only sandrasagari survived from the old TULF leadership and was willing to standup against VP. The current TNA leader is also from the old guard but towed the LTTE line. Sandrasagari opposed LTTE with a huge threat to his own life from LTTE. But he went to the government and got protection. I cannot find a fault for offering the NE to LTTE at that time because LTTE appointed itself by force to be the sole tamil leader. Now the tables are turned on the tamils because GOSL destroyed the LTTE and as victors who have lost millions of $ in economy, man power and a shattered country, I don’t believe GOSL will ever offer it again. Personally I am totally against the concept of “traditional land” because the implication is, singhalese can say, colombo and other area’s where many many tamils live is their traditional land and ask tamils to get out to NE. Also this can lead to the segregation of the two races which prevents the people from living together and understanding each other. As I can see, LTTE was never a team. But It was a one mans band or one mans dictatorship. Even when LTTE negotiated with GOSL several times, their reps at these negotiations had to constantly ask VP for instructions. LTTE did many crucial mistakes not only this which spelled their doom and brought misery to their people. What mr jayaraj says in this context is very true although many tamils still have great veneration to LTTE and therefore is unhappy with mr jayaraj.

  378. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Gavin (#377) Apart from your New Year comments the rest, my man, is utter gibberish. “These gentlemen whom you used to support your views are fake…” What in tarnation are you trying to say, dear chap? I know you are bonkers and unable to put in paper your thoughts coherently or clearly – but this surpasses the giddy limit. Why don’t you go slow on the booze and take it easy. The subject you have chosen to pontificate on, if you will allow me, appears to be far too heavy for your light head. I agree with a blogger here only about 10% of those who comment/write here know what they are doing/writing. The rest are merely writing to “hang their thing out for drying or fresh air” But then, as they say, it makes all sorts to make the world.

    ISS

  379. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Gavin (#378) Your appreciation of the Tamil Question is as confusing and bad as your mistaking Mr. Anandasangaree to Sandrasagari – who comes close to the Naval Chief under
    CBK. The guy, who is now a multi-billionaire thanks to the Navy, is a Sinhalese. While Anney Anandasangaree is a good
    Sinhala-speaking Tamil who spent many years in the Negombo District as a teacher.

    ISS

  380. Gavin says:

    379. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan//////Gavin (#377) Apart from your New Year comments the rest, my man, is utter gibberish////////

    You seem to be very good at attacking me rather than answering my claims logically. Let me summarise my point for the privilege of all who can decide who the illogical idiot is.

    1.I said rajive, premada, lalith gamini killings were done by LTTE while according to you, it is not.

    2.Former Archeological commissioner Paul Pieris claimed he discovered the 60 million old fossils of the “balangoda man” some where in 1970’s which was laughed at by international experts and SL was made the laughing stock. You conveniently avoided comment on this.

    3.Paul Pieris’s son, shiran Deraniyagala got into a good position at the SL archeological department due to the influence of his old man and their close relationship with the ruling Bandaranayaka family. Although there were many others less connected but qualified applicants for the same job. You again avoided comment on this.

    For completion of this post, I need to say, you are supporting Paul pieris and S. Deraniyagala because they said something which favors the tamil position. My position being, both the people’s credibility is highly questionable due to foresaid facts.

  381. Puma says:

    377. Gavin

    Thanks Gavin. When you are not angry you can respond rationally without using harsh words. And you did understand my point compared to #376.

    The maximum that was offered was under 13th amendment with some push from India. But it was not followed through and the powers were not vested with the Provincial councils. It was like giving the food while the hands are tied. The offeree can only behave like a four legged feline-either bark(roar) or bite.
    That’s what VP did and scuttled it.

    Then came the 2001 ceasefire and peace talks. Here again the maximum that was discussed was P-TOMS, ISGA and the Oslo Proposals on Federalism but nothing was agreed by either party. Here again VP jumped the gun and got into the bad picture of the world which led to his decimation-which was neither surprising nor unexpected.
    The smart people amongst the Sinhalese & Tamils were bidding the time until VP dug his own grave.So there is no necessity to play hide and seek anymore and lets come out in the open and do something constructively in 2011.Happy New Year.

  382. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Gavin (#381) Attacking you, dear me? Forgive me, but I have more important work to perform with my good time. My posting #380 shows how shallow and off the mark you are, Sir.

    As to your questions :-

    1. If you don’t at least know the main suspects behind these killings you should remain a reader – and nothing more. The LTTE is suspected by many to be behind some of these killings. Why some even suspect them to be behind the Tsunami as well I need not remind you in law you need more than mere suspicion to incriminate. VP is listed as the chief suspect in the Rajiv Gandhi killing – but you and I know he was several hundred miles away from Siriperambuttur when the tragedy occured. In my view VK Karthikeyan’s findings had gaping holes and he failed to establish circumstantial evidence. All his report did was to come out with a save-face device to help the Indian Defence establishment in an awful security lapse. Get hold of Cho Ramasamy’s writings on this. Many think the LTTE’s role was as trigger-men while the more important conspiracy was entirely home-grown – as in the case of the killings of the Mahathma, Indira and Sanjay Gandhi.

    2 & 3. It is apparent you have a personal axe to grind on Sir Paul and his son. Except the unlikely deranged single person or two here both are held in awe and respect here and abroad for their scientific contributions. In fairness to them, please quote at least two academics of repute here or abroad who share your bizarre views. If not, please have the decency to apologise to Dr. Shiran Deraniyagala for the harm done to both. Furthermore, Shiran’s work in the past 3 decades or more is recognised in the USA, Britain, Europe, India and other places and the top Universities there. It was a great pleasure for me to have been present at the British Council when he gave a talk and to personally hear the rich compliments paid by IHC Shri Shankar Menon. My man, it is not just the Bandaranaikes but most well known and noble families in the country were personal friends of the Paul Peiris family. Shiran does not need any personal connections to prop him. His work and his learning stands him well.

    ISS

  383. shankar says:

    #381-gavin

    1.I said rajive, premada, lalith gamini killings were done by LTTE
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    I think there was a question mark on lalith’s death. I remember at that time sinhalese were accusing premadasa.I respect the sinhalese judgements which are usually spot on and i don’t think they would have done that unless there was something in it. Unlike other LTTE asssinations where the killer is usually killed at the crime scene, lalith’s one they found a mangy looking young fellows body far away and claimed he was the killer. he could have been easily one of those underfed characters rounded up under the PTA and killed by the police and dumped there.

    I was also wondering why premadasa was killed, because he had a good relationship with prabha, because they joined together to kick the indians out.The only reason i can think of was that if preme had killed lalith and made out it was LTTE then he could have crossed the line with mad prabha seeing red like a bull.

  384. Gavin says:

    380. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan/////Gavin (#378) Your appreciation of the Tamil Question is as confusing and bad as your mistaking Mr. Anandasangaree to Sandrasagari – who comes close to the Naval Chief under CBK//////

    Yes are 100% correct. I have mixed up the two names. My sincere apologies. I meant Anandasangaree

  385. Gavin says:

    383. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan///Gavin (#381) Attacking you, dear me? Forgive me, but I have more important work to perform with my good time////

    When you tell me I am writing gibberish without any constructive analysis as to how you got to that conclusion and then you say my appreciation of the Tamil question is confusing at just because I don’t agree with your bull, you are exactly doing what you now deny.

    Just because VP was hundreds of miles away from Rajive when he was killed it does not mean he did not organise the killing. VK Karthikeyan’s findings may have gaping holes because LTTE never ever left a trail. At the latter stages, even Balasingham was to admit that the death of Rajiv was a mistake. Because the Indians had turned the heat on LTTE. Just as your friends of the LTTE, you would always find some BS excuse to vindicate them or deflect adverse opinion on them. You are just exposing your LTTE mind set.

    I don’t have personal axes to ground with people and I don’t defame them at the drop of a hat as you do. Don’t judge me by your own standard. That is exactly what you did at 380. When you implied that former Singhalese navy commander was corrupt because he has amassed billions of dollars. Of course any one who has helped the Singhalese against the dreaded Tamil terrorist is on your gun sight but you don’t speak that way of the fellow Tamils who collected millions of dollars on the pretext of helping their people and are now not found to be seen!! You grudge against the Singhalese is quite apparent.

    Now I have defamed your great Archeological scholar who made himself a joke by saying he found the balangoda man of 60 million years old!! You have totally refused to comment about this great blunder. Of course you may be drinking scotch and dining with him or carrying his boots BUT the fact remains that they were deficient in their technical knowledge and judgments. This is what you don’t want to talk about and this is exactly my point. If Shiran was so good, he should have come to the archeological department from the front door!! Of course you don’t know anything about what I am saying and I am just a third class man trying to put dirt on your respectable Singhalese who unknowingly you have used to buttress your arguments for your tamil cause.
    I think the next step would be for you to prompt your Archeologist to say the balangoda man was a damila!!

    I am glad your vintage of tamils are far and inbetween or else poor tamils with your type of misleading and deceptive talk will suffer another mullavaikaal

  386. Gavin says:

    384. shankar/// Out of the killings of preme,gamini,lalith and rajive, lalith was a bit questionable whether it was LTTE as you have suggested. But then I read a report that the former LTTE guy who was responsible for the killing of a minister ranjan wijeratna in mount Lavinia confessed to organising Lalith’s killing or it was his deputy. But I just cannot remember anymore of this. I think LTTE guys name was charles??

    Prema promised certain things to LTTE and after the TULF moderates were killed (after premadasa flew the LTTE hit team in an SLAF chopper) and IPKF expelled, Prema thought he had fulfilled his promises while the LTTE disagreed. Prema did not want to do anything more. Preme operated on LTTE through some known tamils . It appears they knew before he was killed that his time may be up. The Suicide cadre who killed him was definitely LTTE and the Muslim guy whom he befriended to get close to premadasa was an old premadasa stalwart. Premadasa was warned by many of his security people not to walk freely in his many walk abouts but he never would listen. Two years before he died I think he attended the kandy perahera where again his security people had a nightmare. preme lived and died in the common man role he cherished.

  387. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Gavin (#386) Sandagiri’s excesses were a weekly feature in the Leader and Times at that time that was read by a large readership with horror pained at the path the country was being “stolen” by our leaders. .Sine you have convinced yourself all this is done by Tamils you might agree with me both were owned by Sinhalese.

    I see no useful purpose is continuing this discussion that you are driving to trivia and irrelevance.

    ISS

  388. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan says:

    Shanker (#384) The credible story was as Lalith was killed messages went out to all Police stations to find a Tamil in their custody fitting in a particular description. A young lad from Kotahena (as I recall from a Brahmin priest family) was in the cell for the lack of identity papers.His sister and husband had seen/spken to him the previous evening. It was common at that time for the Police to make “extra money” via this route from Tamils. Sadly for the lad, he fitted the description and his body was later found
    in a by-lane at Havelock Road dead with gun-shot wounds.

    ISS

  389. charles says:

    Shanker/Gavin

    What was the reason for LTTE to attempt the assasination of Chandrika B?

  390. Gavin says:

    388. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan/// you read about Sandagiri but not about the infamous “balangoda man”

  391. Gavin says:

    382. Puma//////The maximum that was offered was under 13th amendment with some push from India. But it was not followed through and the powers were not vested with the Provincial councils. That’s what VP did and scuttled it. Then came the 2001 ceasefire and peace talks. Here again the maximum that was discussed was P-TOMS, ISGA and the Oslo Proposals on Federalism but nothing was agreed by either party. Here again VP jumped the gun and got into the bad picture of the world which led to his decimation.The smart people amongst the Sinhalese & Tamils were bidding the time until VP dug his own grave.So there is no necessity to play hide and seek anymore and lets come out in the open and do something constructively in 2011.Happy New Year////////

    The story that they were offered NE was told to me by many tamils and that was long time back. But one of the guys was a old friend of Balasingham and worked with him in the UK Embassy (I think) in SL. Another was a person who collected funds to LTTE and when LTTE senior man came to collect funds he told this. Now when it was offered I don’t know but it was between 200 and 2002 I think. Probably it may have been that certain safeguards were put in to the agreement which would have finally lead to the NE going to the tamils although that was not directly spelled out. But I usually don’t form an opinion unless I cross check it from several sources and it holds good. As I said before even if it came to NE being given, there would not have been any peace until LTTE was destroyed. Therefore the current position is much better. Just because a piece of land is divided along racial lines, it does not guarantee peace as you see from India and Pakistan. I believe the current disturbances in Kashmir are created by Pakistan infiltrators and they are helped covertly by Chinese.

    Secondly, as I believe you may be in India, can you please let me know whether India boycotted the Nobel Prize presentation in Oslo?

  392. shankar says:

    #392-gavin

    Secondly, as I believe you may be in India, can you please let me know whether India boycotted the Nobel Prize presentation in Oslo
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    The organisers invited all 58 countries that have embassies in oslo.

    19 countries including china have decided to stay out of the ceremony.

    The 19 are

    From South america-venezuela,colombia, cuba

    From Europe-russia, ukraine, serbia

    From Africa-tunisia, morrocco, egypt,sudan

    From asia–china,vietnam,phillipines, iraq,iran,afghanistan, kazazhstan,pakistan

    India and japan attended.

    Srilanka also boycotted.The countries given above are the 58 that had embassies in oslo.

    EU, USA, Japan and india can make any decision for the world, just like the majority of shareholders can make any decision for a company.If they agree on any issue including srilanka, the decision made by them can be and will be implemented.

    Mahinda hanging onto the coattails of china and russia won’t make any difference for srilanka.

    You can see from the boycott where the power lies.

    the biggest roadblock for the eelamists is india.The EU and US cannot pressurise india on this issue, if india feels eelam is inimical to its interest.

    Any other decision other than eelam that the EU and US want and india and japan agree to will be implemented sure as night falls after day.China and russia and all its itsy bitsy allies can go and have a bath.

    Srilanka can shout till its voice is hoarse and weerawansa can fast, eat, fast,eat etc etc, all a waste of energy and time.

  393. adam says:

    Good article good topic,and would like to see more product and article about this topic. Thanks a lot.

  394. Jasuthas Rohan says:

    Why TNA did a U turn? Was not in TNA’s words, ‘the Sinhala gov can’t be trusted’? How come they trust them now? After getting so much of people to die, now they changed? What about th innocents who believe in these people’s words and lost their lives / lost their loving ones? Is it because, they know now that the political strategy of people MP Sri Ranga is working, so it is a copy cat or work to sideline him? Have you own policies and stick to them whatever happens…

  395. shankar says:

    390. charles | January 1st, 2011 at 3:08 am
    Shanker/Gavin

    What was the reason for LTTE to attempt the assasination of Chandrika B?
    ————————————–
    Good question. If you are still there charles why don’t you give the answer. I am not sure but i think it is very difficult to rationalise the thinking of a madman. Prabhaharan is the LTTE.It is a one man show.he makes the decisions like this one and others have to just carry it out.

  396. rara says:

    Ass Secretary of Stae Robert Blakex blaming LTTE too as responsible after secretly meeting Prez Rajapaksha, ex maj gen Shavendra Silva speaking at a church hall reserved by a monk, we got a new player to deal with.

    http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_61682.shtml

  397. shankar says:

    #397-rara

    blake is right. LTTE was also responsible for the civilian deaths.They forced the people out of their homes and when they were in the safety zones they went in and used them as a human shield. Now have we got to go and fight with america too for blake telling the truth.

    Remember he said LTTE was also responsible. That means GOSL is also responsible,for demarcating safe zones and then massacaring the civilians.

    No action can be taken against the LTTE because the guys who made those decisions are all dead. Crimes against humanity can be followed up against the GOSL because the rajapakshes are still alive.

    However i believe before the international courts punish them, god will.

  398. shankar says:

    and rara , most importantly i forgot to mention, when the civilians tried to escape from the LTTE and leave the safety zones, the LTTE fired and killed them and tried their utmost to stop them leaving even going to the extent of unleashing suicide bombers on them.So what is wrong with blake saying that they were also responsible. Everytime someone says the truth are we to start fighting with them too. Western culture is where people speak their mind, and we must learn to be tolerant when they call a spade a spade.

  399. rara says:

    398, 399 shankar

    Thanks, totally agree with you.
    What is interesting was the timing.
    The American consular visits Jaffna to re open the American centre and talks about the long ties with Tamils while the Prez meets Blake in Colombo and in Texas.

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