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By D.B.S. Jeyaraj

(Continued from last week)

The decision taken by the Tamil National Alliance (TNA)to oppose the 18th Amendment to the Constitution on a matter of principle placed the party in an unenviable position of antagonising the Mahinda Rajapaksa government.

The task of spearheading the Parliamentary opposition against the amendment should have been rightfully that of the United National Party (UNP). The hopelessly divided UNP abdicated its responsibility by opting to walk out of Parliament and engage in extra-parliamentary protest demonstrations.

One would have expected the chief opposition party to make its presence felt in Parliament by participating in the debate and voting against it in addition to organizing extra-parliamentary protests. But the party faced with the prospect of MP’s crossing over to the side of the Treasury benches during voting time beat a strategic retreat.

What made it worse was the three line whip issued by the party earlier instructing all MP’s to vote against the bill followed by the ignominious decision of boycotting the debate and vote. It was a classic illustration of the saying about beginning with a bang and ending in a whimper.

In the absence of the UNP, the Democratic National Alliance (DNA) and the Tamil National Alliance had to bear the brunt of arguing against the amendment. Both Anura Kumara Dissanayake of DNA and MA Sumanthiran of TNA delivered powerful speeches criticising the 18th amendment.

Sumanthiran

Interestingly Dissanayake’s speech made in Sinhala did not receive the attention it deserved in the international media. Sumanthiran’s speech in English received greater prominence. The legal arguments put forward also made greater impact.

The TNA national list MP’s objection on September 7th had apparently rattled govt ranks. This combined with the points raised by Sumanthiran in his speech made him the target of vicious attacks during debate proceedings on September 8th. The “rat pack” led by “you know who” engaged in cat calls and jeering.

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M.A. Sumanthiran MP

What made it worse was the name calling. Sumanthiran was frequently referred to as Koti or tiger. Given its track record of association with the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam(LTTE) the TNA would naturally be targeted for its perceived tiger links whenever the opportunity arose.

The irony was that of Sumanthiran being at the receiving end. Sumanthiran among the present crop of TNA Parliamentarians is one MP who does not have any tiger baggage. The human rights lawyer born and bred in Colombo had not engaged in TNA politics in the past and was placed on the national list for the 2010 polls. Yet it was Sumanthiran who was being called tiger.

Despite the boorish display by some Govt MP’s Sumanthiran went on to present cogent arguments against the 18th amendment in his parliamentary address. With TNA leader Sampanthan being indisposed in India it was Sumanthiran’s lot to revive nostalgic memories of the not so distant past when Tamil Parliamentarians made profound impressions through brilliant speeches on important issues of the day.

An immediate consequence felt by the TNA was the cross over of its Amparai district MP Podiappu Piyasena. Earlier during the course of his address the TNA’s Sumanthiran had claimed proudly that no member of his party had crossed over and would not do so .Little did he realise then that within hours one TNA Parliamentarian was going to desert the party and vote with the govt.

Piyasena

The cross over of Piyasena from the TNA to the Govt is a sad event for more reasons than one. Chief among them is the fact that Piyasena with a Sinhala father and Tamil mother is in his own way an icon of national integration. Piyasena’s father hailing from Devinuwara had married and settled down in Akkaraipatru in the east. Though bearing a Sinhala name Piyasena had studied in the Tamil medium and is married to a Tamil woman. All his children study in the Tamil medium.

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M. Piyasena MP

Piyasena is a small businessman running a provision store and a chair rental business. As a student he was involved with Eelam Peoples Revolutionary Liberation Front (EPRLF) politics. He contested the Aalaiaddy Vembu Pradeshiya sabha elections on the TNA list and was made deputy chairman of the council.

When Piyasena was accommodated on the TNA nomination list for Amparai district this year, few expected him to win because there were two ex – MP’s Thomas Thangathurai and Chandranehru Chandrakanthan on the TNA list. The demography of the district provided for only a single Tamil MP winning.

Given the fact that Kumaraswamy Krishnakumar alias Iniyabharathy the right –hand man of Vinayagamoorthy Muraleetharan alias Karuna was contesting on the UPFA list as the solitary Tamil candidate there was much concern that the Tamil vote would be split resulting in no Tamil getting elected.

On the other hand even if a Tamil was elected it was presumed that Thangathurai, Chandrakanthan or Kalmunai Municipal council opposition leader Henry Mahendran would be the winner. Piyasena himself had no illusions about winning and had only stipulated that he should be made chairman of the Pradeshiya sabha in return for contesting on the TNA list.

Piyasena on the campaign trail

Piyasena did not stage any public meetings. His campaigning style was unique and direct. Piyasena converted a three –wheeler into a vehicle with a mini-platform. The vehicle painted in blue had a driver and would proceed along the roads and lanes of the constituency. Piyasena standing atop the platform would address people through a megaphone and distribute handbills.He spoke fluent Tamil with a distinct Batticaloa accent.

Towards the end of the election campaign two candidates on the TNA list withdrew and declared their support to Piyasena. When the results were announced the underdog Piyasena had registered an upset victory. Garnering more than 11,000 preference votes Piyasena created history by becoming the first “Sinhalese” to be elected from a Tamil party. He was truly an example of national unity.

Things however were not so rosy for Piyasena. For one thing there were continuing threats and intimidation from Iniyabharathi’s thugs. Even as Piyasena was elected winner a gang of goons surrounded Piyasena’s house and attempted to chop down his door with an axe. TNA leader Rajavarothayam Sampanthan got in touch with President Rajapaksa immediately and special police protection was provided.

Piyasena however was becoming increasingly unhappy with pressure from different quarters. Sinhala sections of the UPFA in Amparai district appealed to him quietly to abandon a Tamil party and join the govt. Iniyabharathi’s goons were on the prowl harassing him but could not harm him due to the police protection.

On the other hand there was subtle pressure from within TNA ranks in the district. If Piyasena resigned others on the TNA list could get elected. Piyasena being a very simple and modest person was also uncomfortable within the TNA parliamentary group.

There was a general unease among many MP’s that the “Triple-S” trio of Sampanthan, Senathirajah and Suresh (Premachandran) ran the TNA like their fiefdom and that others particularly those from Amparai and Batticaloa were rendered insignificant.

Piyasena being in the opposition also found himself unable to be of great service to his voters and supporters. In that situation he yielded to “pressure” from supporters and thought of joining the govt. He sent a “secret” letter to President Rajapaksa some months ago saying he was willing to support the govt.The govt however was unwilling to encourage defections from the TNA at that time.

The TNA leadership got wind of Piyasena’s vacillation. A high-ranking TNA delegation went to Amparai district and met with Piyasena. All his concerns and grievances were discussed in detail. A TNA committee for the Amparai district was set up with both the ex-TNA MP’s in it. Full-fledged support and solidarity for Piyasena was pledged. The crisis seemed to be over.

The issue re-surfaced again when moves were afoot to introduce the 18th amendment. With President Rajapaksa requiring a two-thirds majority potential defectors from the opposition were approached. A Tamil MP regarded as being very close to the President began “cultivating” Piyasena on this matter.

Cross Over

With the govt being able to procure the support of the Muslim Congress and several Sinhala MP’s from the UNP a two-thirds majority was assured. The importance of Piyasena diminished. But when the TNA played an active and effective role in opposing the 18th amendment it was felt that the party should be given a knock and taught a lesson. “Operation Piyasena” was set in motion.

Other Parliamentarians of the TNA began suspecting Piyasena of defecting. The Parliamentary group met with Piyasena himself being present. The Amparai district MP was questioned directly about his plans. Piyasena swore upon a pantheon of deities that he would not cross over. He also emphasised that he had a Tamil mother and had drunk “Thamizh Paal” (Tamil milk) from her breasts.

The TNA parliamentary group was satisfied about Piyasena’s bona fides. When an emotional Piyasena requested that he be given five minutes to speak during the debate so that he could unambiguously express his opposition to the 18th amendment it was readily granted. Wanni district MP Vino Vinothaharahalingam and Batticaloa district MP Ariyanendran co-wrote a speech for Piyasena.It was gratefully accepted.

It was against this backdrop that Sumanthiran spoke proudly about the TNA standing unitedly against the 18th amendment. When Piyasena got up to speak he first had in his hands the speech written out by the two TNA MP’s. In an unexpected move Piyasena then brought out a copy of another speech and began reading out.

A stunned TNA found Piyasena speaking out in favour of the govt and declaring that he would vote for it. Too late the TNA discovered that the “simple” MP from Akkaraipattru possessed ample native cunning. The TNA was down to thirteen from fourteen in Parliament.

The TNA parliamentary group hastily convened and a decision was taken to send mandatory official letters to Piyasena demanding an explanation for his action and also to show cause as to why he should not be expelled from the party.

Piyasena was unrepentant and defiant. He was harshly critical of the TNA leadership in media interviews. He accused the TNA of being Jaffna-centric and of ignoring the needs of eastern province Tamils. Piyasena pointed out that Tamils of the district had suffered immensely during the war and that support from the govt was necessary to rehabilitate and uplift them.

The Amparai district MP stated that he had not crossed over for any post. All that he requested was easy access to the ministers of the government. He would meet with them individually to obtain support for projects aimed at helping his people, Piyasena said. Once again he stressed that the Tamils who voted for him wanted him to join the govt and help them rather than languish in opposition.

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in Sagamam – Amapara

Listening to Piyasena was an interesting experience. He spoke Tamil fluently with a Batticaloa accent. He spoke the Tamil idiom and cited home-grown examples. He quoted Tamil film songs. He referred to MGR and Rajnikanth. He called SJV Chelvanayagam “Thanthai” (father) and Velupillai Prabhakaran “Thesiya Thalaivr”(National leader). The tone and content of Piyasena’s utterances make it clear that rapprochement with TNA is impossible.

Parliamentary Council

Apart from opposing and voting against the 18th amendment in Parliament the TNA also resolved as a party to refrain from participating in the Parliamentary council envisaged. The amendment replaced the Constitutional Council proposed by the 17th amendment with a five member Parliamentary council.

The Prime minister, Speaker, Opposition leader and two representatives nominated by the PM and opposition leader were to be members. The two nominees were to be from ethnicities other than those of the PM, Speaker and opposition leader. Since these three positions were currently held by Sinhalese it meant the two nominees would be Tamil and Muslim.

The TNA opined that having opposed the 18th amendment on several grounds including that of replacing the Constitutional council it would be improper to participate in the replacement namely the Parliamentary council. It also felt that the Parliamentary council(PC) was toothless and that no purpose would be served because the President was not obligated to act according to its recommendations. Besides there was also opportunity for the TNA party leader Sampanthan to submit suggestions or objections directly to the President.

In spite of this stance the TNA in general and Sumanthiran in particular were approached by both the govt and opposition. EPDP Parliamentarian from Jaffna, Chandrakumar a.k.a Ashok approached Sumanthiran first and stated that the Prime Minister DM Jayaratne wanted to appoint Sumanthiran to the PC as his nominee.

Ashok urged Sumanthiran to accept it in the interests of the Tamil people. Sumanthiran however informed Ashok of the party decision and said he could not accept it. Although there was no direct approach from the Prime minister the overture made by Ashok seemed to have his sanction. The delay by the Prime minister in nominating a person before the mandatory seven days is attributed to this move.

Meanwhile the UNP also approached the TNA wanting Sumanthiran to be the opposition leader’s nominee. Deputy –leader and Gampaha district MP Karu Jayasuriya discussed the issue in detail with Sumanthiran. The TNA national list MP told Jayasuriya of the party position.

Sumanthiran also explained his personal reasons. As a lawyer it was very likely that he would be involved in litigation questioning the legitimacy of the 18th amendment. As such he could not participate in a body created by the amendment.

Jayasuriya understood and accepted the TNA position.But UNP and opposition leader Ranil Wickremesinghe also spoke to Sumanthiran about the matter. Once again Sumanthiran outlined his reasons for refusal. Wickremesinghe seemed satisfied and gave no indication that he was going to propose Sumanthiran’s name notwithstanding his stated position.

Sumanthiran was in Jaffna when the news broke that he was the opposition leader’s nominee. The TNA parliamentarian refuted the news item and stated that he had not given his consent to Wickremesinghe to be nominated.Later Suresh Premachandran issued an official statement on behalf of the party saying the TNA wont participate in the PC. Subsequently Wickremesinghe nominated UNP national list MP DM Swaminathan to the PC.

Given these circumstances where the TNA opposed the 18th amendment, refused to participate in the Parliamentary council and the government engineered the defection of Piyasena, relations between the Govt and the party were naturally expected to sour. The rapport that had developed earlier was not expected to last.

Official Letter

The TNA however was in for a pleasant surprise when it received an official letter from the Presidential secretariat dated September 9th. The letter informed the TNA that the list of seven MP’s proposed by the TNA to be on the joint mechanism to oversee rehabilitation, resettlement and development activity in the North and East had been accepted.

Since the letter was dated after the acrimonious 18th amendment debate the TNA was appreciative of the president. The seven TNA Parliamentarians on the joint Govt-TNA committee are R.Sampanthan, S. Senathirajah, K.Premachandran, S. Sreetharan, A.Adaikkalanathan, P. Selvarajah and MA Sumanthiran. The committee is yet to convene formally.

In a welcome development the TNA was also invited to attend district development meetings held at respective district secretariats. Sampanthan was invited for a Trincomalee district meeting but could not attend as he was indisposed in India. Pon. Selvarajah attended the Batticaloa district meeting that he was invited for.

In Jaffna a special district meeting was held on September 13th to delve into the havoc caused by recent floods. Disaster management minister AHM Fowzie and Traditional industries and small enterprise development minister Douglas Devananda chaired the meeting jointly.Jaffna district TNA parliamentarians K.Premachandran and E.Saravanabavan attended the meeting.

This was followed by an invitation to attend another Jaffna District development meeting on September 15th to be chaired by Economic development minister Basil Rajapaksa. There was however a mysterious telephone call from the Jaffna Kachcheri to the TNA informing the party that it need not attend the meeting chaired by Basil Rajapaksa.

The TNA smelled a rat and E. Saravanabavan undertook the task of ferreting out the “truth” about the meeting. Saravanabavan the managing director of “Uthayan” and “Sudar Oli” newspapers had earlier described himself as an “oodahap Porali” (media militant) during the election campaign. Putting his investigative skills to full use the media militant uncovered the truth that certain EPDP elements were responsible for the mischievous phone call.

So when Basil Rajapaksa turned up for the meeting in Jaffna he was visibly delighted to see TNA Parliamentarians Premachandran, Saravanabavan and Sumanthiran present. While Devananda displayed no emotion at the meeting conducted mainly in English, the presidential sibling Basil Rajapakse welcomed and thanked the TNA twice for participating at the meeting during his opening and closing remarks.

Conference

The govt –TNA bonhomie took a turn for the worse in October. President Rajapaksa was to chair a conference reviewing rehabilitation and development activity progress for the Eastern province on October 4th. The meeting held at Trincomalee naval headquarters premises was attended by several ministers,officials and elected representatives. TNA parliamentarians from the province were conspicuous absentees. Batticaloa district TNA parliamentarian Selvarajah told the media that he did not attend because the party was not invited.

The TNA lament about not being invited for the conference chaired by President Rajapaksa evoked an indirect response from Lalith Weeratunga, secretary to the President. An excerpt from the “Sunday Observer “stated as follows:

“President Mahinda Rajapaksa’s open invitation to the Tamil National Alliance (TNA) to meet him still stands. Therefore, party leaders should take an initiative to meet President Rajapaksa to discuss matters relating to the resettlement of Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) and development projects for them instead of expressing misgivings over the non-receipt of a written invitation” Secretary to the President Lalith Weeratunga told the Sunday Observer.

When this column solicited the opinion of a TNA parliamentarian about Lalith Weeratunga’s newspaper statement the response was “What Lalith says is true generally, but we cannot barge into a specific meeting to which we had not been invited by design. The Eastern development review meeting was one such meeting”

In a further development or non –development the TNA found itself uninvited for another meeting to be chaired by President Rajapaksa. The Northern Province Development committee is scheduled to meet on October 19th at the Army headquarters premises in Vavuniya. The TNA has not received an official invitation for the meeting chaired by the President himself.

Instead of “sulking in their tents” like Achilles of ancient Greece, the TNA this time is planning to contact the government directly and explore the issue. Such an exploration is bound to reveal to the TNA where it stands vis a vis the government. If indeed the lack of invitation is a genuine act of omission or “mistake” then the situation can be rectified. If on the other hand the omission was deliberate then efforts should be taken to mend fences with the government.

In these matters it does not behove the TNA to play the slighted Prima Donna with the govt even if that party is indeed in the right. The Tamils are today a battered and shattered people due to the wrong, misguided “leadership” provided by the LTTE. The TNA that functioned as a shameless minion of the tigers has to share the blame for this situation.

Better Relations

In that context the TNA must act more responsibly and maturely. Instead of demanding things as a matter of right and entitlement the TNA should swallow its pride and evolve better relations with the govt. If the TNA could prostrate itself unconditionally to the LTTE there is no reason as to why the party cannot bend its head slightly towards the govt in the interests of the Tamil people.

This does not mean that the TNA gives up all dignity and self-respect as a political party representing the Sri Lankan Tamil people. It also does not mean that the government is right in all what it does and that the TNA has to simply toe its line without question.

What it means is that the TNA as a responsible party representing a badly affected community needs to be flexible and constructive in its approach. It has to deal diplomatically and judiciously with a head swollen regime riding the crest of a triumphant wave with the belief that might is right.

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in Thirukovil ~ Ampara

As far as the Tamil people are concerned there are two crucial issues needing immediate attention. Firstly there is the imperative need to rehabilitate and resettle all displaced persons. Along with that are the related requisites of reconstruction, development, economic revival, enhancement of employment and improvement of education. There is also the need to secure the speedy release of all detained persons and re-integrate them into society.

Secondly there is the need to redress genuine grievances and accommodate legitimate political aspirations. For this to happen there must be a willingness and readiness to focus on the attainable rather than hanker after the desirable however attractive it may be. Given current realities what is feasible is to obtain full implementation of the provisions provided through the 13th and 16th amendments to the Constitution albeit with some modification. Greater devolution to the North and East and full fledged official language status for Tamil should be the goals.

For the TNA to achieve these goals it needs to work with the government in a spirit of cooperation and not confrontation. Pressure exerted by India and other Western nations on Colombo can be helpful but can only play a supplementary role.

Experience should teach the Tamil parties that “rights” obtained through external intervention will not be realised on ground if the Sinhala polity resents it. What is workable is for the Tamil political representatives to interact with the ruling regime and work in partnership. Politics is the art of the possible!

On the other hand the Rajapaksa regime too should reflect and revise its approach towards the Tamil and Muslim people. At present the government may be right on top and Mahinda Rajapaksa may feel that he is king of the world.

The political parties representing minority communities have lost all bargaining clout and are virtually powerless. This does not mean that the government should ignore the minorities and roll on like a juggernaut while mouthing meaningless platitudes that there is no majority or minority.

Understanding

In the case of the Tamil people the Rajapaksa regime needs to arrive at some form of understanding with their premier political representatives. Whatever the disgraceful pro-tiger past of the TNA there is no denying that the alliance performed creditably in the 2010 elections without any tiger support and won the most number of seats in the Tamil majority regions.

Instead of trying to promote other “replacements” or encourage defections the Rajapaksa regime would do well to forge a working relationship at least with the Tamil national alliance.

It does seem crystal clear that the government intends introducing further Constitutional amendments in the future. At least one of these (19th or 20th) would relate to devolution as provided through the Provincial councils. Although the government has the necessary Parliamentary majority to push through these amendments without TNA support, it would be better to have the TNA on board.

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Children in Ampara – Thirukovil resettlement ~ pics: Drs. Sarajevo

The prestige of the government would rise high if it can win over the TNA and pass the required amendments with its support. Such an amendment would be durable and doable. Likewise the TNA would achieve lasting success if it can work together with the government and play a constructive role in catering to the economic, social, cultural and political needs of the Tamil people.

If this ideal state of affairs is to evolve both the govt and TNA have to end the current stalemate. It is not for both sides to wait for the other side to stretch out hands and then grasp it. It is for both sides to reach out to each other. For this a greater sense of political maturity and statesmanship is required.

Rapprochement between the Government and Tamil National Alliance is the need of the hour. Both sides must realise that time is of the essence.

DBS Jeyaraj can be reached at djeyaraj2005@yahoo.com

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411 Comments

  1. I was waiting eagerly to read the continuation this week Mr.Jeyaraj.You have not disappointed me.Excellent!

  2. Thankyou, You trying your best, I never ever believe sinhala barbarism never allow our beloved people live in peace. I dont want to go on any thing, as you know whats going on in east and north. I dont know why you refefused to write these? You must write real situation in north and east in our beloved land, never ever try to satisfy sinhala who refuse to believe our way of our life and believe their madness.

  3. Great analysis and great recommendations for both the government and the TNA. I hope some if your colleagues in Sri Lanka make an effort to have this column translated into Sinhala and Tamil. It is a “must read” for all Sri Lankans!

    Thank you DBSJ for writing this!

  4. Both your articles on TNA are very good DBS anna

    I hope the govt and TNA will reach understanding to help our people

  5. Ampara is a Sinhala district, so how come a Tamil can be elected there? The name Ampara tells itself, doesn’t it?

  6. Thank you Mr.DBS for these articles.

    You have been trying very hard to help our people thru your writings

    But Sadly our politicians and their politicians wont listen to good advice

  7. “It has to deal diplomatically and judiciously with a head swollen regime riding the crest of a triumphant wave with the belief that might is right”….
    very true..after all we Tamils are all used to stand in queues for rations even when we thought we were strong.
    Now that we have been battered to the skin and yes this seems to be the only possible way. Very dejecting but worth attempting to manipulate this megalomaniac through charm.

  8. Under Sec, Robert Blake and now the FM of the 3rd biggest economy in the world in tandem, endorsing as a sure thing , that Srilanka is heading for development and prosperity is a wake up call to the opposition in Srilanka.

    The backing from China which is the 2nd biggest and India probably the 5 th in the world is what makes this development program a definite success.

    UNP has Buckly’s now to sabotage this development.They know that well.

    Backing Fonseka, and boycotting the amendment debate are part and parcel of a desperate leader;s manoeuvers to protect the ever diminishing territory of this anti national party..

    TNA and the JVP on the other hand are the two minnows who are left to attempt any sabotage and demolition activities.for two different goals.

    TNA which is yet to openly and categorically dissociate and discard the VP philosophy and separatism can not and will not support the government for a genuine reconciliation.

    If the country is prosperous with the larger majority enjoying good standards of living ,there won’t be any room for communal based politics of both the TNA and the JVP..

  9. It is encouraging to read that at least some attempts are being made by the government and the TNA to work together, however minimal these attempts are. That is the only way.

    On a more specific item, I was very impressed by MA Sumanthiran’s speech on the 18th amendment. I am glad to see that many others including you DBS, thought so.

    As for our Hon. Leader of the Opposition, what a boneless idiot he is. I wonder if others noticed that on the two most historically important occasions that that the country faced in the last two years, first, when the war ended in 2009 and then last month when the presidential term limits were debated in the parliament, this person, did not have the guts to be in the parliament or in the country for that matter. What a sad state of affairs for the party of DS, JR, Premedasa, Lalith and Gamini. And he still thinks that he can lead this country? What a joke.

  10. DBSJ

    This article is one of the most interesting ones of yours that i have read. the first half was really entertaining and piyasena’s antics was really hilarious for me. You can’t blame him, because at that age he would not have known whether it was sinhalese milk or tamil milk. Even at this age if he drinks it without knowing the identity of the source, i doupht whether he will be able to tell the difference.

    Some of our patriotic bloggers here such as kalu, ananda and diyasena who would do anything for the country, can be put to the test to see whether there is a difference between sinhalese milk and tamil milk. i ‘am sure they would obligh for the sake of the country.

    The second half of your article was food for thought. However i don’t think sampanthan is going to think of all these things with his mind full of yaman appearing, calling out ‘come to me my brother, come to me”

  11. Thanks DBSJ, gor the details of the Piyasena defection..Maybe this is evidence that the y chromosome is more influential than the x 🙂

  12. #5. Kumar,

    There are no Sinhala, Tamil or Muslim districts ONLY Sri Lankan districts in our island..

    Ampara (Amparai in Thamizh) is a Sri Lankan distirict with 40% each of Sinhalese and Moors and 20% Tamils..

  13. Both sides must realise that time is of the essence

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    Now with India insisting MR for a quick political solution, it is advantage TNA due to delay tactics adopted by GOSL.

  14. DBS

    You always give good advice to Tamils but they dont listen.

    If the LTTE had listened to you they wont have been demolished

    Now you are telling TNA what to do.Lets see whether they at least will follow your advice and do well

  15. Fine article DBS

    Not even one Tamil newspaper in Ceylon has so much of information about TNA like what you wrote

    How do you do this from Toronto DBS?

  16. As for me, Piyasena’s story gets the cake. Importantly it shows the different mind set between Jaffna Tamil and Eastern Tamils which was very obvious to me from long time back. Sometimes I try to torment my Jaffna friends by saying, although among Tamils, Jaffna guys were the most privileged, they were always asking for more and more. It eventually ended up by their founding a terrorist group which went on a killing spree. I always asked the question, why didn’t Tamil terrorism start in the east or in tea estates where Tamils were worst off? Is it because greed has no bounds?

  17. 13. sjoseph  | Now with India insisting MR for a quick political solution, it is advantage TNA due to delay tactics adopted by GOSL 
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     India cannot push MR. They can only make a request or else they stand to loose in world power politics MR is operating. Didn’t you see MR on the left of Mr. Singh at the closing ceremony at commonwealth games? Can you think why India invited him against the protest from the south? India quite rightly will not sacrifice their national interest for the sake of Tamil issues in SL.

  18. Excellent advise to the TNA, emphasizing what is of utmost importance to the Tamils at this juncture of their history.
    Sumanthiran-MP, is definitely an asset in the ranks of the TNA and may prove to be an asset to the Tamils too. I am glad to learn that he is untainted by rotten past of the TNA and its components. The TNA should also purge some of the ‘rotten’ baggage in its top leadership (named in the above article) from its ranks, if it is to progress in the direction pointed by DBSJ. A name change, signaling a break with its past and its contribution to the present plight of the Tamils, should also be considered.

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  19. However much DBSJ tries to reform the TNA that bunch of terrorist supporters will never change

    Mahinda should keep TNA at arms length and deal with Tamil issues directly

  20. Don of post #17,

    You seem to complain about Jaffna Tamils starting terrorism. How about SWRD and his hoodlums starting state terror on fasting tamils in Galle Face? How about the anti Tamil pogrom of 1958? Was there any LTTE then? It is usually ignorant people like you who end up in the Sri Lankan ruling establishments and torment good people of sinhala, tamil and muslim origin. Again I see a cunning approach in you to further divide Tamil people along north and east lines by praising eastern tamils and demonising Jaffna tamils.

    Your dear president Rajapakse has even put the ‘war hero Fonseka’ behind bars. It won’t be long before he ‘silences’ everyone regardless of whether Tamil or Sinhalese, if they question the corrupt nature of this government. I am glad that I no longer live in the hell hole called ‘Rajapakse clan’s Sri Lanka’.

    Good luck with your communal mindset. As long as people like you sing ‘jayaweva to Rajapakse’ and continue to fan flames of ethnic hatred, Rajapakses will easily mortgage away Sri Lanka to world powers.

  21. Dr. Rajasingham,

    I have a question for you. Would you have called some of the TNA rankers as ‘rotten’ baggage if geopolitical conditions were different and LTTE managed to survive? I am pretty sure, many people commenting here would have been singing praise to TNA, and even to LTTE if the situation is straight opposite to now.

    DBS, you wrote a very thought provoking article. However, how long and how much can you bend your head towards a government which is hell bent on bulldozing the minorities? I can understand that working together with government is important to rebuild war affected peoples’ lives. But a government hell bent on paying off opposition MPs and blackmail to make them defect, I have my doubts about the political future of whole of Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka does not need a government now. It needs some reeducation on how to govern.

  22. You’ve said it Mr. Jayaraj, you‘ve said it; “The Tamils are today a battered and shattered people due to the wrong, misguided “leadership” provided by the LTTE. The TNA that functioned as a shameless minion of the tigers has to share the blame for this situation.” I say the same thing is happening in a different format today. No right thinking person could blame Piyasena MP for his crossover; he wanted to do something to his constituents.

    Tamil mindset still dances on things like Visvalingam’s ‘Elom’, 50-50 representation, etc and etc. That is why they are still pushing for impossible goals. Whether Mr.Sumanthiran has a tiger baggage or not his Parliament speech in August reflects a new road map to LTTE goal.

    It’s a good thing that you have realized the unfeasibility of such a goal and seek to adjust it. Let me describe it in your words; “Given current realities what is feasible is to obtain full implementation of the provisions provided through the 13th and 16th amendments”

    Since the defeat of LTTE, Tamils have come out with different roadmaps to get to Eelam. A few talk about 13A, more talk about 13A plus, a lot more talk about Federal or con-Federal. But every one of them seem to fancy it only as a starter. And, the Diaspora even formed a government (TGTE) in the sky, and that is also to start with. Imagine, if we offer 13A to ‘a few’; those that stipulated more would think we are week and demand still more.

    Westerners say if we offer 13A and satisfy a few Tamils the bulk would fall in line. What kind of premise is that. Tamils must come down from their pedestal and face the reality. They must ask in one voice things that we can offer. What you have mentioned; “… full implementation of the provisions provided through the 13th and 16th amendments to the Constitution albeit with some modification” is not a one we can offer. Some modification will not do. 13A is a white elephant. At best, it should be scrapped otherwise police and land powers should be removed altogether. We do not want conflicts like in Indian states among our provinces and Norwegians to sneak in as arbitrators.

    Right to use Tamil Language throughout the country is one thing that is acceptable to all Sinhalese. Forget the rest and go for that. But we know Tamils want nothing but Eelam. Read this to understand their folly fully: http://transcurrents.com/tc/2010/10/rhyme_reason_realism_in_tamil.html#more

    Now few questions –

    1) Tamils couldn’t get a separate country in India where over seventy million of them live. Why do Tamil Diaspora think they can get it here?
    2) The government has many a Tamils and Muslim MPs in its fold. Why should it necessarily need the support of minority parties that profess dissenting views if not racism to look after the minority?
    3) More Tamils live in the South than the North and the East put together. What are the genuine grievances of Tamil people as a whole for being Tamils?
    4) How could the devolution to the North would help the Tamils that live in the South?
    Leela

  23. DBS,
    This is an excellent article.

    TNA should adopt new strategy.

    TNA should have voted for the 18A and nominated their member to the Parliamentary Committee.

    The days of negative policy are over and cooperation should  extend even to accepting cabinet posts in the Rajapakse Government without compromising the dignity and self respect of the Tamils.

    Let there be responsive cooperation.

    The TNA should be part of the problem as well as the solution,

    No longer be a crybaby and blaming all others for the misfortune that has fallen on the Tamils.

    I fully agree with your comments.” Experience should teach the Tamil parties that “rights” obtained through external intervention will not be realised on ground if the Sinhala polity resents it’

    External intervention only brings in  short term gains and  in the long run, backlash will be severe and counterproductive.

    Even in the case of 13A, TNA  should be ready for genuine negotiations – No pre- conditions!

    It must be admitted that it is a badly drafted legislation and need refinement both in the scope as well as in the contents.

    It could be a combination of 13A,13A minus and 13A plus.

    Do we fear negotiations?

    The concerns of the Sinhalese  and others regarding police  and land powers should be constructively addressed and come to  mutually beneficial arrangements.

    If it is feasible, the TNA could explore the possibility of executive Chief Minister and nominal Governor and bring the Government Agent, Divisional Secretary and the Grama Nilathai under the Provincial Council along with abolishing or reducing items in the Concurrent List.

    These are only suggestions not final blueprint.

    Let us not have an Indian imposed 13A , but have a home grown 19A or 20A that have the consensus of  all the stakeholders.   

  24. # 18. Don
    India cannot push MR. They can only make a request

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    Now as India started requesting MR, it is advantage TNA now.

  25. Dear Meikandan.

    I have not hesitated to express my opinion of the TNA and the LTTE, even in the pre-Nandikadal era. I continue to express my reservations also about the para-military groups that are trying to dominate Tamil politics now.

    As to your question addressed to the author, about how long the minorities can bend their head, I have to say that we have been left like the ‘thrashed Private Bailey ‘ in the comic series- all twisted and mangled- by the LTTE. I hope you will visit Sri Lanka or if you are already there, visit the war affected areas and see for yourself, the plight of the Tamils. Survival is the imperative of the day!

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  26. # 25. Leela
    1) Tamils couldn’t get a separate country in India where over seventy million of them live. Why do Tamil Diaspora think they can get it here?

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    Because Diapora think Srilanka is an ideal place for a separate Tamil country.

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    2) The government has many a Tamils and Muslim MPs in its fold. Why should it necessarily need the support of minority parties that profess dissenting views if not racism to look after the minority?


    Not at all necessary.

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    3) More Tamils live in the South than the North and the East put together. What are the genuine grievances of Tamil people as a whole for being Tamils?

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    Hardly any.

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    4) How could the devolution to the North would help the Tamils that live in the South?

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    It would help North Tamils ..Later to achieve Eelam.

  27. If TNA and GoSL able to develop rapprochement as you suggested that will be appreciated
    Otherwise
    Possibility 1
    One of them or both can ask the help of third party mediation. Indo- Lanka Agreement negates the possibility of 4 th party involvement. That might be also a lesson conflicting have learnt. So one or both can ask India’s help
    Possibility 2
    India is still showing interest on the relief works. GoSL and India can negotiate for a joint Mechanism if some one like LTTE not disturbed. So TNA can keep them self distance from this urgent relief and reconstruction works and restrict their effort only for the political solution.
    Possibility 3
    MA Sumanthiran did not take part in the parliamentary committee with mentioned reasons. Even they can abundant their parliament Membership with the same reasons.
    Possibility 4
    Myanmar Democratic leader decided not to vote in the coming Elections so our democratic leaders also can decide not to contest Elections
    Annil

  28. .
    Here are my reasons why TNA should support the Rajapakse’s government:

    – Even mighty Gandhian India has bowed it’s head to Rajapakse…..so why not TNA?

    – During the war Rajapakse’s did not kill all 300,000+ Tamils in Wanni

    – If Rajapakse did not wipeout all LTTE leadership, TNA will still be under LTTE

    – If TNA supports Rajapakses, then most Sinhalese will start suspecting Rajapakses and start losing support in the long term.

    🙂

  29. A heart has its place, A brain has its place, but a mind has no place and the tongue has no bones! Man is an emotional amoral egostical animal.

    Take it the way it fits your way of interpretation

  30. Leela of post #25,

    Good to see how our majority brothers and sisters think. Now to answer your questions.

    (1) Tamils in Tamil Nadu were not hunted and killed enmasse and were not deprived of regionally administering themselves to ask for a separate state. Simply put, the majority sinhala governments treated it like a game to organize mass riots and pogroms against Tamils. Tamils felt and still feel defenceless against the physical, cultural and societal onslaught on them systematically undertaken by the GOSL of all times. So, Tamils had the justification to ask for more powers to themselves so that they do not depend on an unreliable government made up of non-visionary politicians from south to secure their way of life, culture, language and other things.

    (2) We know that the government has many a Tamil and muslim MPs. Your argument is hollow in saying “why should it need the support of minority parties that profess dissenting views if not racism to look after minority?”. Morally, a government needs to treat all its people equally and fairly. But the subsequent sinhala governments earn a failing grade in that particularly in the case of Tamils and Muslims. So, it is not about ‘I don’t need your support’. It is more about whether the rule of law and fair and just treatment of citizens is applied in the right way. Oh, the comment about racism. Who started ‘racism’ in Sri Lanka? Isn’t it the Bhikkus, some sinhala politicians and others who continuously fan the flames of racism?

    (3) More Tamils live in the south now due to continuous warfare, destruction, and killing by the armed forces to larger extent in the north and east. Many people from North East started moving to south or abroad only after the escalation of the conflict. So, this is an effect of the ugly civil war. The tamils living in the south cannot and will not demand the rights they deserve because they know they are in a place where they cannot ask for the righteous things, particularly with white vans and Rajapakse clan’s mafia gangs roam around to make such people ‘disappear’. So, don’t try to fool people with this argument. Even sinhalese like Lasantha Wickrematunga cannot speak about human and civil rights in the south (he was killed in broad daylight). So, fair minded sinhalese and victimized tamils do not have the option of speaking against unjust actions of the government. That is why the diaspora is trying to keep the issue alive and chart a democratic course of action to continually highlight the plight of Tamil as well as any fair minded people in Sri Lanka under the Jack boot of Rajapakse terror state.

    (4) The devolution to north and east would give Tamils more freehand in coming up with economic strategies, plans and execute them without the purposeful hindrance from hawkish and communal elements in the government. This government is not even interested in resettling the IDPs, but it is hell bent on building Buddha statues under every Arasu tree and building homes for the soldiers in Wanni on the very lands that belong to many of the IDPs. Explain to me whether there is any logic or reasoning in what this government dishes out to minorities? Also if the north and east is developed without the hampering of unjust treatment by the sinhala regime, gradually the tamil people will see the benefits and they will always have an option to move to north and east if at a sudden whim, sinhala hawks want to torment them with another pogrom. Above all, the culture and way of life free of army occupation will flourish and everyone can enjoy the peace. In conclusion, devolving more power to minorities will decentralize development and provide more efficiency and less layers of red tape and bureaucracy. Also, sharing power is always a healthy thing that the minorities will still feel that they are part of the decision making in their own places thus there is no need for separation to secure their rights. But if the Rajapakse clan or likeminded ‘Mahavamsa maniacs’ try to control everything and deny even basic rights to north and east tamils, unfortunately you are going to be constantly in headache due to diaspora making every effort to discredit such Sri Lankan governments.

    The choice is yours: Are you going to support chauvinistic policies of a government that does not even respect the human rights of sinhalese people?

    Or are you willing to share power with minorities such that everyone feels part of the decision making and feel ‘all are truly Sri Lankans’.

  31. Despite the transgression and machination of the rulers and the paramilitary groups, the TNA in the best interests of the Tamil people would be well advised, as the article suggests, to move forward with a positive and proactive inclination

    While the principled stand TNA took in opposing the amendment deserves appreciation, it should show flexibility and prove itself as a constructive party willing to go the extra mile as and when warranted.

    The previous experience TNA had with the tigers should stand them in good stead in the lions den.

  32. Dr. Rajasingham Narendran of post #28,

    Thank you for your reply and clarification. But when you say Tamil people have been mangled and thrashed by ‘LTTE’ also add by a larger extent the ‘subsequent GOSL’ and to a certain extent by the ‘International Community’. I say this here, because all three parties including LTTE, GOSL and the IC have had their hands dirty in creating this situation. The following are the collective reasons for today’s situation.

    (1) LTTE’s stubbornness to not look for alternative political path in the post September 11 2001 era.

    (2) India’s virulent campaign based on seeking vengeance to Rajiv assassination and sidelining all other long term impacts that could come about by crushing the tamil rights struggle.

    (3) IC’s soft nudging and pedalling attitude towards Colombo’s actions such as expelling journalists, expelling aid groups, bombing hospitals and using chemical bombs for a racist war.

    (4) The continuous refusal of the successive governments in the south to look at everyone in Sri Lanka as equal citizens and finding ways to crush minorities.

    The way people like you argue the outsiders will be tempted to believe it was ‘only LTTE’ that brought about this disaster, and no one else. There needs to be an objective analysis of what happened regardless of our emotional dislike to certain people and groups.

    I think all three parties, LTTE, IC and particularly the GOSL are to different extent responsible for the carnage.

    To me personally, there is no point in pointing fingers at anyone now. If we have to move forward, the world tamil unity is of utmost important than dwelling too much on the past. Learning from mistakes is important. But continue to trade blames without finding ways to unite the community and chart a new course will be suicidal and further damaging to the good of tamils and moderate sinhalese in Sri Lanka.

    Also, did you hear what UNP had to say recently just like Rajapakse’s government?

    All of them say now that since LTTE has been decimated, there is no need for political solution. So, the true face of the major sinhala political parties has been bared. Basically, what they are saying indirectly is this: ” Due to LTTE’s parity and strength in the past, we were forced to think of exploring a solution to tamil issues. But, with LTTE gone, who cares about the plight of tamil people”.

    Demonizing LTTE will not help. We just need to analyze and learn what mistakes they made and not to repeat them in the future course of political actions. No more ‘self – beating’. We need more concrete actions to stop the juggernaut of the war criminal gang of Rajapakse cabal.

  33. 37. Meikandan:

    (1) LTTE’s stubbornness to not look for alternative political path in the post September 11 2001 era.

    (2) India’s virulent campaign based on seeking vengeance to Rajiv assassination and sidelining all other long term impacts that could come about by crushing the tamil rights struggle.

    (3) IC’s soft nudging and pedalling attitude towards Colombo’s actions such as expelling journalists, expelling aid groups, bombing hospitals and using chemical bombs for a racist war.

    (4) The continuous refusal of the successive governments in the south to look at everyone in Sri Lanka as equal citizens and finding ways to crush minorities.

    My god… what an interesting set of points…

    … LTTE’s demise was contributed by its failure to charter a new course after 9/11 which killed 3000 American lives but not because it failed to do so after LTTE itself killed so many, Many, MANY, ….. from 1980s to 2009… makes real sense…

    Are you related to Mahesh by any chance?

  34. 22. Meikandan  | I am not going to compare GOSL track record with LTTE and argue who did what, tit for tat etc because that is a waste of time.

    But any party using violence to achieve its end is wrong and the only party which used insensible and gross killings to achieve their ends is the LTTE which was supported by majority of Tamils. A minority amount of Tamils like DBSJ realised the futility of what they were doing but those people were assaulted, killed or ignored .

    I am outlining the mind set of the Jaffna Tamils as seen by Piyasena’s eyes and saying that is quite understandable. Kandiyan Singhalese mind set is different to Colombo Singhalese and again different to southerners. Similarly Colombo Muslims are of different mould to those from Akkirapattu. This phenomenon is not isolated to Tamils only.

    It appears you have not lived in SL among its people and have little grass root understanding.

    Moreover, Rajapakse is not my dear president

  35. 27. sjoseph | Now as India started requesting MR, it is advantage TNA now.
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    Only way one can get anything out of a person like MR is to twist his arm or show him the action requested would enhance his world standing. World politics operates on a nothing for nothing basis. A request is pussy footing and may not give any results. TNA has to score and win points themselves. India will not do what TNA wants if that goes against its national interest. India’s thinking is correct.

  36. 38. Navin  | 37. Meikandan:Are you related to Mahesh by any chance? 
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     Now that is what I call a smart question……..

  37. TNA can afford to be seen as boot liker of Sri Lankan government for several reason.

    1) Tamil people want vote for them
    2) What did the so called current boot liker achieved for Tamils ? i.e Davanda, Krunda Pillyan
    3) It will help government to defend against accusation of war crime
    4)if TNA side’s with government other pro tamil partys will emerge

    TNA is current stand is correct, they have shown willing ness to work with government more and more, but they will have to be critical at some place so they make their differences know.

    The fact of matter is the government does not want devlove power help Tamils in anyway. That;s bad for their own
    business.

  38. Mr Piyaseaa MP has shown exemplary character in taking the option of serving his constituents rather than sticking with party ideology.

    In .Western democratic countries. MPs taking this stand, is quite common as evident in the recent elections in Australia.

    Mr Piyasena in that sense is a cut above the rest .

    Mr Piyasena also has received the”rough end of the stick” from the TNA hierarchy for being a Sinhala Batti “Tamil”.

    If the TNA is fairdinkum about genuine reconciliation , Mr Piyasena is an excellent conduit to do meaningful business with the Rajapaksa for the overall benefit of the Tamil people living in Srilanka.

    On the other hand people like Mr Sumnathiran who has been shoehorned in to Parliament by vested interests will find hard to touch base with the government

    Mr Sumanathiran was an active agent as a lawyer for the NGO and Western Countries who waged a relentless campaign against the Government over the last 5 years under the pretext of Human Rights.

    He was part of of the same groups who fought till the last to save the LTTE hierarchy who killed eminent civilians with impunity.

    His speech opposing the 18 Amendment may convince his fan clubs about his brilliance in legal matters.

    But the essence of the amendment is to speed up the development of the country without undue interference and obstructions.

    Even countries like the US and Japan have acknowledged the authenticity and determination of the Government in this regard s through their recent announcements.

    Ampara which has a good balance of all major ethnic groups is a model for the rest of the Northern and Eastern Town s in future .This will allow Piyasenas or Asrafs or Selvas to be the representatives of these centers instead of having all Selava.s running them.

    This is the case elsewhere in the country in places like NuwaraEliya Nuwara and Colombo.

    If TNA is conducive and receptive to such a scenario in future the doors are open to them anytime as Mr Weeratunga has put out in public record.

  39. Navin and Don,

    I don’t support each and everything LTTE did. I call a spade a spade. Just to give you a statistics now.

    The number of innocent sinhalese people LTTE killed in its attacks is well under 7000. However the number of unarmed innocent Tamils killed by the senseless violence of the successive sinhala governments under the guise of ‘protecting SL sovereignity and eradicating terrorism’ is over 150000.

    Don, you yourself has said it. Whover uses senseless violence to achieve their goals are bad. So, in a broader analysis, it applies to GOSL as it applies to LTTE.

    Having said all these, although LTTE did not target sinhalese civilians as much as the GOSL did with innocent tamils, I still despised the fact that LTTE as a freedom seeking movement at times resorted to tit for tat killing. But hey, that is the reality. Karuna, the current darling of Rajapakse was the chief tormentor of sinhalese in the east when he was with the LTTE. He even executed hundreds of surrendered sinhala policemen disobeying orders from Prabhakaran. He did the same to eastern muslims and pressurized Jaffna LTTE to expel muslims from Jaffna to have a tit for tat for tamil killings by muslim home guards. But, it was wrong for Prabhakaran to take heed to that and do it.

    Unlike you guys, we always had our criticism of wrong actions by LTTE. But, many of you in the south conveniently deny there are serious issues with your government in dealing farely with minorities and continue to live in a world full of halucination embroiled in ‘Mahavamsa mindset’.

    Also for your records guys, I lived the first 20 years of my life from mid seventies to mid 90’s in Sri Lanka and I can understand the psyche and ground realities. I was displaced due to SLA’s ‘Sun rise’ operation in Jaffna, lived in Wanni, then lived in Colombo for one year and went abroad. Don’t tell me I don’t know that country.

    If you want the tamils and muslims from north and east to feel as part of Sri Lanka, please do one thing. Start pressurizing your politicians to focus on econmic development and upholding of law and order for all communities instead of riding their political future on whipping up ‘communal frenzy’. You guys have miserably failed on that front for 6 decades and we saw the harmful consequences of that in the creation of LTTE and subsequent destruction that followed.

    It is easy to win a war; But to win real peace, it takes a courageous leadership based on justice, fairness and equality. I am yet to come across a sinhala leader with such mindset. We had a potential one in Vijaya Kumaratunga but he was eliminated. Likewise, anyone from south who speaks up for all the communities is silenced. We definitely have a serious problem in the southern part of the country.

    I still wonder if there is any emancipation out there for all the people of Sri Lanka. I really admire the courage and empathy of University Student Union leader Uthul Premaratna in speaking up for Tamil speaking university students and all community rights in general. We need more souls like him to reform the southern polity and chart a new course for Sri Lanka.

    We definitely don’t want to see the types of people who still like to talk about the differences between Kandiyan sinhalese and coastal sinhalese as well as the differences between Jaffna Tamils and Eastern Tamils.

    So much for your leader’s talk about “We are all Sri Lankans”. Grow up yourselves first.

  40. 45. Meikandan
    Unlike you guys, we always had our criticism of wrong actions by LTTE.
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    Who are you trying to hoodwink? If you had criticized the LTTE any time, you would be 6 feet under by now. I am sure as hell that you don’t like pointing out the differences between Jaffna Tamils and Eastern Tamils, because you want to show the world a uniform Tamil society, oppressed by the barbaric Sinhalese while hiding the reality of oppression of low caste Tamils by The high caste Tamils, Batti Tamils by Jaffna Tamils and Estate Tamils by all the rest.

  41. Dear Maikandan,
    Thanks. I agree that there were many cooks who spoiled the soup for the Tamils in particular and Sri Lanka in general. But the Tamil political formations and liberation groups, particularly the LTTE, have to take the bulk of the blame. They, to various degrees behaved in a short sighted, brainless, emotional, criminal and arrogant manner, with no consideration what-so-ever for the welfare of the people they claimed to represent. They lost the game for the Tamils, who were largely spectators. Not only did they lose, they also joined in the assault on the spectators! The LTTE was the epitome of everything that was wrong with the so-called Tamil liberation struggle.

    It is short sighted to apportion blame on the others, when ‘WE’ as a people miserably failed, because of the ‘leaders’ we permitted to lead us. We really did not know what we wanted. ‘Tamil Eelam’ was not definitely the solution to the problems Tamils faced in Sri Lanka.

    Dissecting the past will not help us now. The question is, what should we do as a people now, considering
    the present circumstances and future possibilities. The politics of old will not serve our needs. As I have stressed previously, we have to find our place within Sri Lanka as a people, to survive, rebuild and prosper.

    However, it needs two hands to clap. If the Sri Lankan state can guarantee, through the constitution and its institutions that the minorities have the rights of security; unfettered citizenship; language,culture and religion; and equal opportunities, throughout the island,
    there is no need to engage in futile arguments about devolution. The Sinhala polity has demonstrated its unwillingness to devolve meaningful power to the periphery and specifically to the Tamil majority provinces. Even a bloody civil was has not compelled it to do so. It will be futile to ruin ourselves further, arguing and fighting for what I think is the impossible.

    Let us make the best out of the circumstances and demand things that are our basic human right. These should not be granted at the mercy of an individual or a party in power, but be enshrined in the constitution, in unambiguous terms. Let us demand our rights as the citizens of Sri Lanka, and not be seen as demanding a ‘Tamil Eelam’ through the back door. The whole of Sri Lanka, is our Eelam.

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  42. #48-Dr. narendran

    However, it needs two hands to clap. If the Sri Lankan state can guarantee, through the constitution and its institutions that the minorities have the rights of security; unfettered citizenship; language,culture and religion; and equal opportunities, throughout the island,
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    Let us assume that after great difficulty the tamils manage to get these things enshrined in the constitution. If justice and fairplay are not followed in real life, what are you going to do about it. Waste hours and hours on court cases and make lawyers rich?You know very well in the western world all these things are enshrined in the constitution, but are they following it in real life. If somebody shortlists the job applications and knock out all the names that sound foreign, what are you gong to do about it. IF you ask for some feedback on why you were overlooked they will come out with hundred and one reasons, except the real one, that you were a paki or an indian or a chinaman.

    So try to be a bit practical and look for lasting solutions like devolution, where you can only blame your own people if their is unfairnes. For example if a person is treated unfairly in tamilnadu, he or she can’t blame the northern aryans can they, but the heat will be on their own people. So the race factor is completely eliminated Anyone trying play the race card will have a tough time there, while in srilanka everyone had a ball of a time blaming the sinhalese or tamils for all their woes.

    The race factor is absolute dynamite all over the world, not only in srilanka. It only requires someone to light the match.The best way of dealing with that is to make race as insignificant as possible and downplay its importance.The only way this can be done is by letting people manage their own affairs and taken responsibility for their actions without blaming others, but within the framework of one nation. Your idea of enshrining race factors in the constitution will only make it more important than necessary, and make people think of themselves as tamils or sinhalese first, and srilankans second. The lasting permenant solution is to make them think as srilankans first and their race as second. This will take a long time, but worth it because you are going on the correct direction, and if you persevere you will have a permenent solution.

  43. Ranjan of post #47,

    Thank you for your comments. It appears you are misinformed on many things and you seem preoccupied with the differences between Jaffna Tamils and Batti Tamils than setting aside differences and working together for securing our rights.

    Also, your comment that ‘ If I you criticized LTTE you would have been 6 feet under ‘ made me sympathize with your lack of understanding of what happened in Jaffna between 1990 and 1995 when LTTE controlled it. LTTE political representatives would come to Tuition centers those days to get students involved in the politcal / recruitment and community initiatives of the LTTE. In those exchanges, they would ask us, if you had any questions or concerns, go ahead. In such cases a number of us questioned them why they would expel the whole muslim population from Jaffna just for the mistakes of some of them? We should not target sinhala civilians etc. LTTE defended muslim expulsion giving several reasons, but it was never convincing to me. However they would not openly admit they targeted sinhala civilians in the east.

    So, unlike you think to a certain extent people were allowed to ask these things, and let me tell you that none of us were buried 6 feet under for that. I know some LTTE members took personal revenges on people citing these types of ‘ethir karuthukkal’ and pointing fingers as ‘thuroki’ without informing their political leaders. That sometimes happened. I agree LTTE did not tolerate an opposition as many other armed organizations and movements did (including Viet Kong, etc.). However, there was some room for questions.

    I also want to tell you that you will waste your time and damage the cause of all Tamils and minorities of Sri Lanka if you keep talking about and aggravating the differences in psyche between northern and eastern tamils. Jews also have their differences from country to country. However, when it comes to common goals, they are together. While we should continuously work towards clearing the misunderstandings some times between north and east, we should not lose focus on of our unity towards securing true rights and peace for minorities and other communities in Sri Lanka.

    Also, for your records I want to tell you, my best friend in the country I live in hails from Mandoor in Batticaloa. He some times discusses with me about the attitude of certain Jaffna Tamils. We openly discuss things. He finds me as a friend because I do not hold superiority complex just because I am Jaffna Tamil. Likewise many Jaffna Tamils don’t especially after the civil war aggravated. But, it is the Sri Lankan governments and their ‘Mahavamsa’ followers that blow this out of proportion to divide the communities so that they can continue to treat tamils, muslims, burghers and even fair minded sinhalese badly so that they can do communal politics.

    Please don’t fall prey to such propaganda.

  44. Dr. Rajhasingham Narendran,

    Thank you for your comments. I like the way you discuss matters in a courteous manner even though our opinions tend to be different on certain aspects. I like these types of healthy exchanges.

    I am glad that even though both of us differ on how much ‘blame’ could be attributed to LTTE for the disaster, we both understand that there is no point in ‘apportioning’ blame at this point. We are both looking ahead towards what we can achieve under the current circumstances.

    Like any politician, fighter or human being Prabhakaran and LTTE also had their strengths and weaknesses. They lacked the resources of political sagacity and wisdom at a crucial point in post september 11, 2001 to alter the course. They tried to alter the course in a different direction, but as you rightly said, many tamils remained ‘Spectators’ for too long that they did not jump in and provide their expertise. Some of the blame goes LTTE’s way as they never made a concerted effort to seek and attract political experts from the community to shape the struggle, except Anton Balasingham did do it occasionally to garner support and advise. That was not enough.

    In my opinion, world tamil unity and solidarity with fair minded sinhalese and other community people who agitate for civil and human rights in the south of Sri Lanka is very important towards shaping a better future for Sri Lanka.

    I personally think that articles from DBS Jeyaraj provide us different angles of looking at things and encourage healthy debate between people of different opinions. Many other articles I see are so one sided (either leaning towards militancy (some tamil media) or towards the Rajapakse clan (in some sinhala media) or not analyzing current reality as it is).

  45. “Rajpaksa Govt unwilling to set timeframe for devolving powers to Tamils” Reported http://sify.com/news/rajpaksa-govt-unwilling-to-set-timeframe-for-devolving-powers-to-tamils-news-national-kkqkEedfddc.htm

    I wrote a comment to it as this:

    Until May 18th 2009, the TNA had been demanding Eelam and nothing else. They thought LTTE is the way to get to it. Soon after LTTE was vanquished, TNA and the Diaspora wanted to revive LTTE rump.

    I have been researching the foot prints of ordinary Tamils in Sri Lanka. Not many were fond of LTTE and its leader, but every one of them loves its Eelam project. Do they want Eelam because Tamils face problems in Sri Lanka for being Tamils, or their aspiration is a separate state? Answer can be deduced from a bit of weighing up.

    While LTTE was a force to reckon, very few like Minister Devananda would accept 13A minus. But once LTTE was vanquished, all shades of Tamils have become moderates overnight. Pilayan wanted 13A in full. Ganeshan wanted 13A plus. Sangari wanted a Quasi-Federal of Indian variety. Sumbandan wanted a Federal of the Canadian type. Sivagilingam want self rule sort of ISGA. Mind you, these demands are all to start with, and all but Pillaiyan and Karuna want to merge the North and East. In short, they all want to reach Eelam gradually through 13A, Federal, Con-Federal, etc.

    GTF, and TEPF of the Diaspora Tamils sticked to their guns. They demanded Eelam right away. They wanted to invigorate the LTTE rump and take us to Eelam through fear psychosis or by force.

    Then there are those in the so-called International community. They demand we solve Tamil grievances. For one thing we know is; they all want to teach Rajapakses a lesson for he had not heed to their advice and save Piripaharan. Let us make no mistake; this lot want to take us to Eelam through the route of human rights, war crimes, and UN commissions.

    President Rajapakse knows all this plus where we stand. But, where does India stand? I bet, they themselves don’t know. For one thing though, India doesn’t want Tamils empowered. So, our priority should be to keep our India act smooth and not the implementation of 13A.

    How do you take that analysis as a rejoinder for your retort; Maikandan #35 and sjoseph#29

  46. We sinhala people believe, that all the Tamils living abroad are bogus refugees and living in western handouts and discrediting our honourable president’s intentions to resolve this tamil terrorism ones and for all.

    You all come from India illegally, if you want any settlement speak to Manmohan and Sonia.

    We don’t want you here.

  47. Shankar of post #49,

    Interesting comments. Sri Lankan governments are guilty of making Tamils think themselves as first ‘Tamils’ and then only about other things. That is what happens when a government targets a certain ethnic group for harsh treatment.

    It will take a bold and honest leadership from fresh minds to instill confidence and security in to Eelam Tamils’ minds that they truly belong to Sri Lanka. Not only in words, but also in deeds it has to be done. But the path Rajapakse is following is that of a tribal ‘triumphalism’. It is only going to aggravate the scars in the minds of Tamils. In addition this attitude of the current government will continue to fan the flames of Tamil diaspora’s nationalism to continuously agitate for a future independent nation.

    If Sri Lanka is to prosper, then the majority has to reach out to Tamils and other minorities in particular with true spirit of comradeship and equality and ensure they all truly feel Sri Lankans by actions, not by empty words. Clinging to Mahavamsa, building Buddha statues everywhere, placing only sinhala name boards in Tamil regions are not inspiring any confidence in the minds of Tamils.

    Remember Mahavamsa lovers. Tamil language and culture goes back to 5000 years. Just by erasing tamil names from the name boards, you are not going to achieve anything special. Pay respect to diversity and the identity of other people. That will make Tamils and other minorities respect you as well. If you continue to indulge in ‘triumphalism’, it will further give ammunition to diaspora groups to paint you as new Nazis.

  48. I am not sure where Dr Rajasingham is domiciled. He shows excellent sense of pragmatism. practicality and above all fantastic foresight with regard to his community who are domiciled in Srilanka.

    What matters most is these people who live there.

    The ambitions and goals of the others who have comfortable lives overseas are not only of secondary importance ,but appear to be the biggest obstacle for reconciliation between the Government and the major political party that represents the Tamil people.

    No Sinhalese will object or disagree with his forthright statement that all his people want is a constitutional guarantee for their rights to , security, religion. language . culture.and equal rights to education and jobs.

    The programs that the Government are putting in place clearly indicate that these are their objectives as well.

    This is the statement that should come from the TNA. if they are genuinely interested in the future of their people and want to convince the majority that is their goal as well and not have any hidden agendas of “self rule” and “separation’.

  49. 50. Meikandan

    You may want to sanitize the LTTE as a democratic organization that allowed dissent, but that will not work. You say that you questioned their actions but you did not end 6 feet under. But may did. Many more hung from lamp posts in Jaffna town.

    You seem don’t want to admit to the differences, discriminations that exist within Tamil community. To me it is important to bring up these issues, because the way your high caste Tamils treat the Tamils of the lower castes is sometimes much worse than any discrimination that Sinhalese may have practiced towards Tamils. In fact, ONE of the causes of the ethnic conflict is the way your high caste Jaffna politicians wished to preserve their strangle hold grip on the Tamil politics.

    One of the biggest reason cited for the separation demand by the Tamils was Mrs. Bandaranayake’s university entrance selection policy, namely the district based standardization scheme. True Jaffna students were adversely affected, but does anyone talk about the fact that because of the scheme, Tamil students from Mannar, Vani and Batticaloa/Ampari areas got into the university with relatively low marks? No one talks about that because, as far as Jaffna Tamils are concerned, these Tamil students from these “outlying” areas did not matter.

    Your best friend may be a fellow from Batticoloa, and good for you for that. But that does not tell me or anyone else that there are no serious class and caste differences in the Tamil community. Let’s talk when all the Kovils in Jaffna are equally accessible and open to all in the Tamil community regardless of their caste. Or when a Jaffna boy can marry a Indian Tamil girl from hill country without the whole thing becoming something fit to be one of Sri Lanka’s famous tele-dramas or a Bolliwood movie script.

    Now don’t get the idea that I am trying fix societal problems of your community. I am just trying to shine a light on one aspect of this conflict that seems to be kept deliberately off the table because that will seriously damage your community’s main theme that all this is the total fault of – as you termed, “Mahavamsa” followers.

  50. #54. Meikandan,

    “Clinging to Mahavamsa, building Buddha statues everywhere, placing only sinhala name boards in Tamil regions are not inspiring any confidence in the minds of Tamils.
    Remember Mahavamsa lovers. Tamil language and culture goes back to 5000 years.”

    If you don’t like the Mahavansa read the Mahabharata, they both say the same thing.. We never doubt that Tamil language is 5000+ years old. But there are NO tamil-only regions in Sri Lanka.. Everything from Velipura/ Vallipuram inscription to Cankili’s treaty with the Portugese speaks otherwise..

    I too am against placing Buddha statues, wherever there is a Bo-tree …But if a Kovil can come up in Mathara, why cannot a a Buddhist shrine be built in the Wanni (mind you all this has been built on crown land not private)..There are 200 plus millenia old Buddhist shrines in the North alone, which have been ravaged by the Tamil-bans of the LTTE..These should be repaired first

    “If you continue to indulge in ‘triumphalism’, it will further give ammunition to diaspora groups to paint you as new Nazis.”..

    Hitler wanted to build a Jew free Germany..You and others want to build a Sinhla free North and East, whose the neo-nazi?? Put a small moustache on Thanthei Chelva and you would see the resemblance…We are not worried about the Diaspora..Like the Mossad came after Nazis in other countries, our Mahasohon units will come after those with Lankan blood on their hands

  51. 45. Meikandan:

    I don’t support each and everything LTTE did. I call a spade a spade. Just to give you a statistics now. The number of innocent sinhalese people LTTE killed in its attacks is well under 7000. However the number of unarmed innocent Tamils killed by the senseless violence of the successive sinhala governments under the guise of ‘protecting SL sovereignity and eradicating terrorism’ is over 150000.

    Where did you get these statistics? Tamil diaspora are notorious for adopting statistics.

    The death toll in 2009 alone went from couple of thousands initially, to 7000 to 20,000, 40,000 and beyond, each time by some media proclaiming that so many died. Is this the latest in this series?

    Whichever number you pick, why don’t you analyze how many of them were due to deliberate attacks by SLA on civilians and compare that number against 7000 “or less”…

  52. Dear DBS,

    TNA is taking the right stand. With seasoned politicians like Sampanthan and new MPs of good standing like Sumanthran TNA will evolve into a formidable force which could articulate and bring to light the Tamil issues. We need to give them some time. Having said that TNA needs to ensure though its Tamil political party its not a Jaffna centred club but represents people of North and East of any ethnicity. Though Piyasena has the right of expression, its sad he moved away from party principals without a warning. Actions like this only strengths the government rather than the much debated development for any particular constitution. Even UNP has abandoned the federal solution citing LTTE is now vanquished. Need we say anything more? Though North East needs the much needed development one wonders if TNA does have to sell their soul by joining government to achieve this? Is this democracy? or is it welcome to Rajapaksalanka !

  53. To amplify what I had commented earlier, constitutional guarantees should be accompanied by stable and sustainable institutional arrangements. For the latter to become effective, there must be greater participation of the minorities not only in politics at the national level, but also in the administrative and judicial systems at all levels.

    The Sinhala polity and the national government should of course work towards making the constitution the foundation on which the nation is built. The constitution should no longer be the political football to be kicked around and changed at will. We have to learn to work a constitution and work within its boundaries both legally and in spirit.

    Of course, it goes without saying the politicization of the institutional framework in Sri Lanka, should be rolled back and the politicians confined to specified spheres in the executive and legislature.

    ‘Utopian’ these may sound to many who are familiar with the Sri Lanka scene! However, we have to have a Utopian vision, to work towards as a nation. How long are we to continue wrestling in the mud and blood?

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  54. Bogus Tamil diaspora be aware, our forces are after you may say you are moderate or you are establishing a charity but we are fully aware of your motives.

    If you are going to help your people all the money has to be channelled through the established government mechanisms, which is doing a marvellous job in the north and east.

    East is already booming under the leadership of deputy minister Karuna, 95% of people are out of poverty, similar things are in pipeline for vanni and jaffna.

    Canada and the other European countries should repatriate all of them back to these cleared areas.

  55. The phony Tamil leadership missions will fail until the Tamil Diaspora gets its act together and come under one unit instead of creating mushroom organizations in every corner of the word reminding the Tamils of the 4 lettter movements (LTTE/PLOT/TELO etc) mushroomed in the 1980s.

    At present, the Tamil Diaspora is an ideal fertile ground for Tamil traitors to strive and flourish.

  56. 60. Dr.Rajasingham narendran | October 18th, 2010 at 1:15 am
    To amplify what I had commented earlier, constitutional guarantees should be accompanied by stable and sustainable institutional arrangements. For the latter to become effective, there must be greater participation of the minorities not only in politics at the national level, but also in the administrative and judicial systems at all levels.
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    In the western world what you say in your first sentence is already there, yet you find the whites discriminating like hell against non whites.

    What you say in your second sentence i don’t see in western society. Obviously non whites are kept out as much as possible from those systems you mention, because as you rightly pointed out they know that if they allow it then the matters enshrined in the constitution will have to be enforced. Not only that, in places like australia they are saying they are overpopulated, can you believe it, so that they do not become a minority one day.

    So my good doctor narendran, we will be running round and round the mulberry bush with this concept of trying to force people to be fair to others, but it will not work when they don’t want to do so. Unless a change in the mindset ocuurs,which is unlikely, laws will not make any difference. Even the mind is fluid in nature and todays benign one can turn hostile in the future.

    The only way you can have justice and fairplay is not to allow majorities to have power to make day to day decisions for you . Tamils should strive to get the powers to manage their own day to day affairs. If something goes wrong they can then blame themselves without bringing racial factors to the fore. Since independence tamils have been blaming the primeministers and presidents for all their woes. After proper devolution is given the anger and frustrations will be directed towards the chief ministers of the northern and eastern provinces. Now pillayan can wriggle out if he is incompetent by rightfully saying that he has been given the car but not the keys. We will see what he is going to say when he is given the keys. Like sirimavo if he goes on the reverse gear the wrath ofv the easterners will not be directed at the rajapakshes, but at him. Nobody can bring out the race card anymore, after we have fully devolved the powers to the provinces.Not only that, the provinces too will benefit immensely from more equitable distribution of resources. i remember the slogan for the JVP during the insurrection was colombo was getting everything while the rest was getting nothing and it worked, untill like prabaharan killing rajiv ,they made the mistake of targeting the soldiers families.

  57. A detailed article with lots of information and painstaking analysis

    I do hope the TNA will act pragmatically and mend fences with the govt.

    I do hope the govt will not try to bulldoze Tamils and instead work with the TNA.

    I do hope DBSJ will write more and more of these great articles regularly

    I do hope you will comment more frequently………………DBSJ

  58. DBSJ,

    Excelent article.

    But as far as concern about Mp Piyasena you had omitted a valuable point that he could not speak sinhala at all. With the help of his own brother who is a school teacher now he is learning sinhala language.

    There is no hesitation that you are capable to collecting all information but wheather you agree upon or notI must say this

  59. 38. Navin

    Are you related to Mahesh by any chance?

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    41. Don

    38. Navin | 37. Meikandan:Are you related to Mahesh by any chance?
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    Now that is what I call a smart question……

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    Navin and Don

    I don’t how to take it. Er…….., may be I will take it as a compliment.

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    53. Dr Kaluwitharana

    You all come from India illegally, if you want any settlement speak to Manmohan and Sonia.

    We don’t want you here.

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    Good. I only want your Govt. to tell the International Community this is how they are going to solve the Tamil Problem.

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    56. Ranjan, Toronto

    Let’s talk when all the Kovils in Jaffna are equally accessible and open to all in the Tamil community regardless of their caste

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    AAyiram undingu jaathi, eninum anniyar vandhu pugal enna nidhi.

    There are thousands of castes within us. But that is not the justification for some foreigner to come in between us.

    Orr thayin vayitril pirandhor , thammul sandai seithalum sahodarar andro..

    The Brothers born out of the womb of the same Mother, even if they fight amongst them are still brothers, isn’t not.

    THESE WORDS ARE THAT OF MAHAKAVI BHARATHI.

    Please Ranjan don’t talk about caste differences between us.

    The British talked about it and said that was the also one of the reasons for their stay here. It didn’t work out.

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    57. Diyasena

    Like the Mossad came after Nazis in other countries, our Mahasohon units will come after those with Lankan blood on their hands

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    I don’t understand your comments. As I understand the Bible and the History of the Jews…

    First there were Jews in the promised land. As per Bible old testament one third of them died, another one third of them were scattered as diaspora and the remaining one third lived there amongst the Palestinians, who were in majority.

    After the pogrom of the Hitler the IC thought that the Jews should have a separate land for themselves. In this the powerful Jewish Diaspora also worked in full steam.

    Then they smuggled the Jews from all over the world and established a Jewish state.

    When it happened like this the demography was again changed in the promised land.

    Moss ad is the State arm of the Jews.

    Here the hunted became the hunter

    Do you mean the same thing will happen in the case of Tamils also.

    I don’t want that to happen. I want the Tamils to live there as equal citizens in a United Sri Lanka.

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  60. In the current climate in which the few moderate. pragmatic and visionary intellectuals are trying to show the way forward fot the Srilankan Tamil community living there, the hard core Diaspora has been given a free kick by the impending visit to Srilanka by one of their main emissaries, Hon Mr Eric Solheim MP and Minister of the Royal Norwagian Govt..

    Given his past record the Government will take care not to fall into any traps he may lay on behalf of his previous mates.

    However being aware of his cleverness of fishing in troubled waters, and exploiting the situation to his advantage,Fonseka and his red shirt brigade may give him a warm welcome.

    Being a” Leftie” himself ,he will have another wonderful opportunity to use Fonseka as his next mission to be in the lime light .to the detriment of Srilanka.

  61. Navin of post #58,

    If you read independent reports of casualties from international human rights agencies and you take the time to add and the casualties, you will see those numbers. I don’t go by GOSL numbers or even LTTE published numbers. So, why don’t you start reading HRW, AMNESTY statistics, then come back and comment in the forum.

  62. Dr. Kaluwitharana of post #53,

    Western governments do not give handouts to people / refugees indefinitely. Also, instead of listening to your hawkish Rajapakse masters’ false discourses and lies about all the tamil diaspora being refugees, you should start reading about how many thousands of successful tamils shining in all fields of academics and in global organizations.

    Western culture shows empathy for short time, but not sympathy for losers and lazy people who do not want to work. If they give welfare and keep people lazy they would not have prospered to the level they did up to today (unlike in Sri Lanka where, government sidekicks like Wimal Weerawansa running brothels and hiring poor women for providing ‘special’ services).

    Also, I saw your comment about ” Diaspora we are after you”. My friend, remember, these countries are not your ‘Banana republic called Sri Lanka’. We don’t have white vans or ‘mass disappearances’ here. If you try to introduce your goon culture here, your ambassadors will be shown the door (getting back to the hell hole of Rajapakse).

    Also, you do not have to worry about diaspora or even human rights groups if you treat Tamils fairly. So, if you want a polite discussion, provide your arguments in a respectful way. I do not want to see Mahavamsa rhetorics here.

  63. Ranjan,

    The points your mentioned about ‘Standardization system’ are to a certain extent true. I agree that places like Batticaloa and Wanni benefited to a certain extent. But what you are missing out in this argument is the motive of the then Srimavo government in introducing it. They know that by introducing it, bulk of the tamil students entering the universities will not be able to get admission (back then almost 90 % of the Tamil students were admitted from Jaffna) thus, the development of Tamils could be curtailed and they could be put under check.

    If a government truly wanted to give opportunity to more students to higher studies (sinhala, tamil and muslim), they could have saved money (instead of filling their pockets) and opened more universities, that would have allowed for the lowering of cut-off marks and provide decent opportunity to remote area students.

    Now, coming to your comment about ‘me sanitizing LTTE’. I am not here to sanitize LTTE. I am here to tell you the truth. If you only want to believe what you have been thinking so far, it is up to you. Besides, I will tell you that one of my cousins was shot dead by the LTTE during the IPKF times under the accusation of collaborating with the Indian Army. To this day, no body has a clear cut proof that he collaborated with Indian forces to betray tiger caders. But, bad things like that happened. That cousin was very close to my heart and it hurt me for a long time. I still don’t know whether he truly caused the deaths of LTTE caders in the hands of IPKF. Now you know, I do not have any motivation to “SANITIZE LTTE”.

    I am trying to be objective here in my analysis instead of emotionally taking sides. I am cool with fair minded sinhalese and I even have some friends. One of my aunts (my siththappa’s wife) is a sinhalese lady and I speak to her every month to Colombo.

    Now, addressing your points about caste, yes I agree there is serious cast issue both in Tamil as well as in Sinhala communities. That is something that needs serious solution. But that does not mean you have to get side-tracked and forget about your goal of attaining equal rights as a Sri Lankan citizen. Both goals have to be pursued parallelly and one does not need to wait for the other.

    I do not agree that the tamil struggle for equality is mainly a concern of high caste Jaffna tamils. That is the type of argument usually put forward by some government pundits to mask the real national question.

    But I agree with you that caste issue needs to be resolved.

  64. East is already booming under the leadership of deputy minister Karuna, 95% of people are out of poverty, similar things are in pipeline for vanni and jaffna.

    You’ve just made the figure up.

  65. Dr. Kaluwitharana of post #61,

    It is the joke of the year when you say 95% of the eastern people are out of poverty under the ‘leadership’ of minister Karuna.

    I honestly do not know what you mean by ‘out of poverty’. Also what I hear and read about Wanni is that, while homes are built in Murikandi on IDP lands for soldier’s familes in Wanni, most of the IDPs are still living in ‘sheds’ and open without proper government support.

    I think before defending government to shameful level, you should think that others are intelligent enough to know what is happening in Sri Lanka.

    Also, I see here some souls saying ” all the funds to tamils should be channelled through the government”. I am pretty sure what happened to the Tsunami funds meant for north east also will happen to the funds from diaspora if it is channelled through Rajapakse. Afterall Rajapakse filled his own pocket from the funds meant for his own district Hambantota. If he can do it to his own constituency, why not ‘help himself’ from Tamil funds.

  66. Dr Kaluwitharana
    East is already booming under the leadership of deputy minister Karuna, 95% of people are out of poverty
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    Are you a srilankan doctor?

  67. 68. Meikandan:

    You can follow up on your “independent” human rights crusaders. I have little respect for their “independence” or “integrity”.

    According to Wikipedia, half a million children alone have died as a result of US led invasion of Iraq. Now compared to the noise they make about Sri Lanka, I don’t hear so much as a squeak from HRW or AI about civilian casualties there.

    Go look up wikipedia and you will find a list of attacks by LTTE and SLA on civilians.

    If SLA were to storm into a village and cut, chop and maim civilians the way LTTE has done, they will hardly go unreported in this day and age.

    Yet, in spite of all the media attention SLA has got lately, all we hear are just big numbers and not detail incidents. Gordon Weiss will say 40,000 died in the last stage of the war but he cannot describe cases where SLA has _deliberately_ massacred civilians. Incidents, that are reported are all very likely cases of mistaken identity or collateral damage due to LTTE taking refuge among civilians. One cannot add those numbers up and compare that against mass murder of civilians as carried out by LTTE.

    If you want to call a spade a spade, try and admit to barbarism of LTTE with out reservations.

  68. #69. Meikandan

    “Western governments do not give handouts to people / refugees indefinitely”

    Oh really, I wonder how the term dole bludger came into being.

    “like Wimal Weerawansa running brothels and hiring poor women for providing ’special’ services”

    First time I’ve heard this, but I’ve heard of blue-eyed children in IDP camps due to ‘special services’ provided to Norwegians and others engaged in the piece industry

    “We don’t have white vans or ‘mass disappearances”

    Ever heard of Operation Bayonet/ Operation wrath of god?

  69. #68 Meikandan,

    Even if you go by the UN figure of 20,000 (which still has an extra 0), that means around 5-6% of the civilian population were killed (assuming that all killed were civlians and there were no LTTE casualties). Even speed limits are set at a 5% risk of casualty. Compare that with the so called numbers (again I think grossly exaggerated) of civilian casualties in Iraq, and you will see the SL forces were a lot more careful than your white masters..

    Besides there was no international presence in the warzone at the tail end of our great patriotic war to obtain or verify casualy figures. So the so called independent figures came from local officials parroting the figures provided to them by the LTTE propagands units at gunpoint. Relying on those figures are as we say ‘Horagey ammagen pena aseema’ (Going to the thief’s mother for an astrological prophesy about stolen items)..

  70. #70 Meikandan
    “I do not agree that the tamil struggle for equality is mainly a concern of high caste Jaffna tamils”

    The high caste Jaffna Tamils tried unsuccessfuly in 1931 and 1947 (50-50 demand) to create a (South African type) apartheid state to carry on what they did under the colonial masters..When this failed on an island-wide scale they limited this to a mono-ethnic bantustan in the North and East. This has been the main aim from Chelva to Sumanthiran..The Eastern moors and then most of the Eastern Tamils have slowly weaned off this tribal mindset. As the 2010 election result shows this is only a significant issue in the minds of Jaffna Tamils.. Equal rights with Equal responsibilities can be achieved through the present system. What your ilk want is special rights with no responsibilities, and that is not going to happen on our watch..

  71. #66. Mahesh

    “As I understand the Bible and the History of the Jews…
    First there were Jews in the promised land. As per Bible old testament one third of them died, another one third of them were scattered as diaspora and the remaining one third lived there amongst the Palestinians, who were in majority.”

    Your knowledge of Jewish Histroy is just as sketchy as the Mahabharat last week.

    How can Jews live among Palestinians, when the term Palestinian itself came into use after 1917?? The Jews who survived the massacre at the hands of the Romans lived alongside Arabs and Byzantine Christians..The demography of the holy land fluctuated wildly across the centuries, there was only an Arab majority after the 14th century..

    “After the pogrom of the Hitler the IC thought that the Jews should have a separate land for themselves. In this the powerful Jewish Diaspora also worked in full steam.
    Then they smuggled the Jews from all over the world and established a Jewish state”

    Wrong again, the Jews started moving back to the holy land decades before World War II (even before World War 1)..Secondly the framework for a Jewish State was hammered out two decades before Hitler started the Holocaust..

    ” I want the Tamils to live there as equal citizens in a United Sri Lanka”

    Tamil citizens of Sri Lanka, as any other citizen of the country, will live with equal RIGHTS and equal RESPONSIBILITIES. But there will be NO mono-ethnic bantustans to accomodate the tribal tendencies of a few..

  72. Dear Shanker,

    Thanks for your comments. To discriminate is in human nature. To minimize and circumscribe these tendencies is the the prerogative of the state. Discrimination cannot be eliminated. However, it can be minimized.

    The former Soviet Union, was designed to be a class-less society. However, it created a new class structure based on power and privilege for those aligned to the communist party. We have our own caste-based system of discrimination within the Tamil society and have not succeeded in eliminating it despite the violent efforts of the LTTE.

    The story of the ‘Blacks’ in the USA is more relevant to us. The are much less discriminated now than they were before the civil rights movement and consequent legislation. The USA has elected a ‘Black’ as president. Many ‘Blacks’ are national figures of great standing.

    We are not looked down upon as human beings in Sri Lanka in day to day life, as the ‘Blacks’ were at one time.
    A day after a major anti-Tamil riot, a Sinhalese will address a Tamil as a ‘Mahatmaya (great soul). There are many positive aspects to life in Sri Lanka for the Tamils. To dwell constantly on the past and the negatives, will not serve us right.

    I remember, how we Tamils discriminated against even fellow Tamils when we had the power to do so. A senior Tamil accountant in the CWE (Co-operative Whole sale Establishment), in the late 1950s and early 60s, made sure mainly people from Vathiri, Pt.Pedro (his village) were hired. This was not an isolated instance. The Tamils in the Vanni and the East also had grievances about the ‘Yarlpani’ discriminating and dominating them.

    There is discrimination at play among the Sinhala people too based on caste, religion and geographical distribution. The Sinhalese are not as homogeneous as we Tamils think they are. However, these differences have been contained within a larger Sinhala identity and prevented from becoming a social problem, as it is among the Tamils.

    We have to evolve a just society where a meritocracy thrives. Without blaming each other, we have together with the other peoples in Sri Lanka, work to evolve such a society. What was destroyed thoughtlessly cannot be rebuilt in one day. It is going to take a lot of time, lots of effort and immense patience. We have to build towards an ideal, brick by brick. We Tamils have to definitely come out of our ‘Victim’ syndrome and begin to not only correct what is wrong amongst us, but also work towards a future based on new paradigms and new confidence. We have to trust the Sinhalese and they have to in turn trust us.

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  73. We are a sovereign nation we don’t have to report to anybody or take lectures from any Dick & Tom.

    You people only go and complain to the western masters, demonstrate against a democratically elected srilankan government in western capitals, guys tell you one thing, it is not going to help you anything.

    Like president says if you have issues speak to him or. An appointed relevant ministries they are there for a purpose.

    Like president said many times, there are no minorities or no more boarder villages in this country.

    See for example the plight of these innocent sinhala people in jaffna while your people living a privileged life in colombo in prime areas and getting free education from top schools in colombo.

  74. By the way guys professor Peries lectures in London will go in history books and countries national archives.

  75. If this Krishna want to come to srilanka, he can come any time there are lot of experienced people in the country. We can’t simply entertain everybody coming to this country with president audience,
    unfortunately the president is having a very busy schedule. We hope our friends in india will understand it.

  76. 79. Dr.Rajasingham narendran :- I thought I must write some response to your sensible thoughts after reading contributions from some people who are so die hard that they don’t want to hear any logic. My dad used to describe these people as garbage trucks and advised me never to hit one because I would be covered in shit!!

    Some Tamils blame Singhalese for everything because their politicians preached this gospel. But I know many Tamil friends both in SL and abroad doing very well and having very successful businesses in SL. Some of these businesses are managed by Singhalese!! Of course if we go on blaming others, nothing will happen but if we bite the bullet and move forward, nobody can stop our success.

  77. 70. Meikandan

    That is the type of argument usually put forward by some government pundits to mask the real national question.
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    Dear Meikandan,

    Please be good to discribe here WHAT IS THE REAL NATIONAL QUESTION that tamils are suffering in Sri lanka.

    samarasekara

  78. Diyasena of post #77,

    I do not agree with your comments. The things you are saying about ‘high cast tamils want special treatment with no responsibilities’ does not fly in my face. We are only hearing about these things when people like you say it.

    Please don’t come up with ‘bogus excuses’ for continuing ‘monoethnic – sinahal dominated hold’ on other Sri Lankan citizens (Tamils, moors and burghers)’.

    The current system of Rajapakse government only focuses on destroying in the long term the language, culture and way of life of smaller communities in Sri Lanka and cow them down.

    If after winning the war, Rajapakse announced that all communities will be given equal respect and let us find true Sri Lankan patriotism in the richness of our diversity in culture and language, I would have felt relieved that even though many people died in the savage war, that we have a brighter future to look forward to.

    But what Rajapakse says all the time is “We are all Sri Lankans” and then doing things to whip up communal frenzy and let the thug paramilitaries run riot in north and east instead of implementing rule of law.

    Also, I want to ask you something. Some of my good friends from South tell me that Kandiyan sinhalese look down on coastal sinhalese and because of this, there is always power struggle in the parties between these two factions. They also tell me that because of this, the party politics reach the dirtiest levels and there is no rule followed to play their dirty games.

    What are you going to do about the ‘high caste VS low caste’ power struggle in the south. May be, if you fix it first, other problems will follow the lead.

    Come out of your excuse closet of ‘high caste Jaffna Tamils’ and see the reality. Otherwise, Sri Lanka will forever remain the beggar state as it is known.

  79. Diyasena,

    About your casualty comment:

    Why don’t you go read all the amnesty and HRW reports from 1983 onwards to ‘add’ all the numbers and tell me how many innocent tamil civilian casualties you caused?

    1983 itself, more than 3000 tamils were killed. The latest eelam war itself more than 50000 innocent tamils were killed. There is the rest.

    There is nothing to be called ‘patriotic’ about the war Mahinda waged. He waged it on his own people (tamil citizens) as well as against LTTE.

    I guess you will also call the dirty war waged by Premadasa on the southern youth and JVP (killing 100000) also a patriotic war.

    Let us have death squads all over the country and call them our ‘Patriotic sons of motherland’. Except when they come to your doorstep and take your kids for killing, no longer you will call them ‘patriotic sons’.

  80. Navin,

    If you do not accept independent HR reports, then it is your problem. The rest of the world takes it seriously. That is what matters.

    Remember there are satellite images of what happened in the last stages of the latest war. When Sri Lanka goes out of line with India and west, they will use it as a punishing tool against SL.

    So, currently Mahinda is in precarious position to ‘satisfy’ all the major powers who supported him to win the war. If he gets too cocky with any party, he will be fried with the war crime allegations.

    So, stop your empty rheoric and go on building a true Sri Lanka based on equality, respect and diversity. That will save your leaders as well as the country itself.

    Remember, U.S let Saddham Hussein ‘gas’ the kurds and kill them in thousands in 1981 when ‘he’ was important to them (to fight Iran). But when geopolitics changed, they came back with the accusation saying ‘Saddham’ is a murderer of Kurds and he had ‘chemical weapons’ (turned out to be a lie). So, anything is possible for Rajapakse too. When it suits the west and India, they will not shy away from taking up the ‘mass killings of 50000 tamil people in the closing stages’ at a later time if MR does not satisfy their geopolitical thirst.

    So, in summary, the whole of Sri Lanka has been mortgaged away to world powers for the sake of killing Tamil civilians. We will see the fruits of it in the coming years. Particularly with a dictatorship of Rajapakse and his parivarankal (who issue naked threats in this forum as well), everything is possible to go wrong in Sri Lanka.

    If Sri Lankan people are smart, they will elect a more pragmatic true leader of all people next time. Otherwise, what happened to “helping Hambantota project” will happen to Sri Lankan economy as well if not the worst.

  81. 78. Diyasena

    Your knowledge of Jewish Histroy is just as sketchy as the Mahabharat last week

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    I may have a sketchy idea of Mahabharat and also Jewish history.

    But the major points are the same. First there was the Jewish numerical superiority in the promised land then it changed.

    Then Arabs became numerically superior. Are not the Palestinians Arabs? I beg to know from your self, who is more knowledgeable than me. I am willing to learn from everyone including you.

    Then came the return of the Jews to the Promised land. There might have been trickle in the beginning but the movement assumed greater proportions during and after the WWII. The Jews were literally smuggled in the ships also, with or without valid travel documents. I have heard that every Jew considered his duty to somehow send people and settle them (Jews) into the promised land. They used legal as well as illegal methods for that.

    At the end the demography was once again changed in favor of Jews.

    This is the broad pattern of the history which you will also accept, isn’t it?

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    Tamil citizens of Sri Lanka, as any other citizen of the country, will live with equal RIGHTS and equal RESPONSIBILITIES. But there will be NO mono-ethnic bantustans to accomodate the tribal tendencies of a few..

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    If the Tamils were living as equal citizens then why all this political struggle and military struggle in your island?

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    Again why take up Mahabharat? You have seen yourself what this Mahawamsa mentality has done to the Tamils there in your island.

    Why do you want to aggravate it further by quoting from the Mahabharat.

    You have one tool in your hands that is Mahawamsa to batter the Tamils. Why do you want more tools in the form of the Mahabharat and Ramayana to beat the tamils.

    Leave Mahabharat and Ramayana alone.

    But there is a saying that ‘even a devil can quote from the Bible’.

  82. Comment 79,

    Dr Rajasingham has come up with another gem of a comment.

    What an honest and sensible assessment of what the future holds for Tamil people who live in Srilanka.

    When the future of a minority, that has gone through an unprecedented set back due to their own doing ,is at the cross roads, the debate about the ways and means of brining g them to the main stream as equals has been high jacked by the Mahabarata mind set who live in the West.

  83. #86 Meikandan

    “Please don’t come up with ‘bogus excuses’ for continuing ‘monoethnic – sinahal dominated hold’ on other Sri Lankan citizens”

    Why does the Monoethnic Sinhala dominated hold have,

    1. Tamil as a state language and give free education in Tamil?

    2. The state’s leader is the first in history to address the United Nation’s general assembly in Tamil?

    3. Has had many distinguished Tamils a Justices, Generals, Admirals, Ambassadors even a foreign minister (who would have become prime minister were it not for their liberators?)

    4. Has minority politicians being elected from majority electorates many times (I am yet to see this in the North)?

    All you want is an apartheid statelet in the North and East..Who’s coming up with the bogus excuses??

  84. #87. Meikandan
    “Why don’t you go read all the amnesty and HRW reports from 1983 onwards to ‘add’ all the numbers and tell me how many innocent tamil civilian casualties you caused?”

    Amnesty and HRW are human rights merchants..The more bloated figures they come up with the more donations they get..These two organizations (and several others) have branded armed fighters into the civilian fold too..

  85. #86.
    “Also, I want to ask you something. Some of my good friends from South tell me that Kandiyan sinhalese look down on coastal sinhalese and because of this, there is always power struggle in the parties between these two factions”

    Either your friends are very old or very ignorant.. The Up-country low-country divide was there pre-independence..After independence (especially after SWRD), this divide faded away and at present is non-existant..If the Kandyans don’t like low landers like the present president why did he recieve thumping majorities in elections from these areas..If the low country people don’t like the Kandyans why is a Kandyan serving as the prime minister??

  86. #89 Mahesh,

    “If the Tamils were living as equal citizens then why all this political struggle and military struggle in your island”

    A vocal elitiitst group wanted to re-establish the apartheid privileges they enjoyed under the colonial masters in a part or the whole of the island.

    “Are not the Palestinians Arabs?”

    Indeed they are. my point was there is no or minute difference between Palestinians and other Arabs. Arabs have many states in the middle East but the Jews have only one..Though they have a huge homeland right next door, the (Palestinian) Arabs want to grab another country by force..

    “the end the demography was once again changed in favor of Jews”

    If the Arabs in the occupied territories and in refugee camps are given Israeli citzenship (the so called one state soultion) Jews would be a minority..

    “Leave Mahabharat and Ramayana alone”

    What I want to find out is is whether Tamil supremacists who balk at the Mahavansa every few sentences, who destroyed Buddhist temples in the North and East with glee, would now start bashing the Mahabharat with equal ease?

  87. 86. Meikandan
    The current system of Rajapakse government only focuses on destroying in the long term the language, culture and way of life of smaller communities in Sri Lanka and cow them down.
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    Sri Lankan government, through out 30 years of the civil war, operated an exclusively Tamil University which was a hot bed of LTTE support. SL government paid the teachers, it maintained the infrastructure and provided support for the students who were 100 percent Tamil. Someone should correct me if I am wrong, I don’t think even in Tamil Nadu there are state run Universities that are exclusively for Tamils. Now is that how a majority community destroy a minority culture?

    There are Tamil TV channels, Tamil newspapers, schools that are exclusively Tamil, taught by Tamil teachers to Tamil students. Is that how a majority community destroy a minority culture? In fact, Sri Lanka’s most popular TV channel. Sirasa TV is owned by Maharajas, hardly a strong Sinhala Buddhist business.

    Many Sinhalese girls take lessons in Baratha Natyam. Is that how we Sinhalese destroy your culture?

    For what its worth, it was a Sinhalese Leader who spoke in Tamil for the first time ever in the UN General Assembly. In 60+ years of independence, not a single Indian leader have thought of doing so.

    You think that lies, if repeated often enough becomes truths. Not anymore my friend. That period is over.

  88. 79. Dr.Rajasingham narendran
    The story of the ‘Blacks’ in the USA is more relevant to us. The are much less discriminated now than they were before the civil rights movement and consequent legislation. The USA has elected a ‘Black’ as president. Many ‘Blacks’ are national figures of great standing.
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    One important question that needs to be asked here is, if there was a militant black movement that was bombing and killing people in USA, would Barak Obama be the US President today? Not only he had to prove that he is more white than most whites, he even had to distance himself from his pastor and find a new church, because that guy had uttered some stupid stuff many years ago.

    We have had many Tamil figures of great national standing who has served the county with distinction. And we may have already had a Tamil prime minister had not LTTE murdered Kadiragarma.

  89. “Clinging to Mahavamsa, building Buddha statues everywhere, placing only sinhala name boards in Tamil regions are not inspiring any confidence in the minds of Tamils. ”

    Whether Tamils like it or not, Buddhist temples and Buddha statues will be built in the north of Sri Lanka. The Buddhists of Sri Lanka will not be locked out of parts of their own country just because Tamils want it so.

    If Tamils are not happy with this, they should demolish EVERY SINGLE Tamil Hindu Kovil and every Tamil Christian church built in the south of the country over the last 25 odd years. Then, the Tamils can dance and shout about Buddhist temples and Buddha statues being built in the north without being total hypocrites.

    Tamils seem to be not only racists, but religious bigots as well, yet they never cease to proclaim to the world how “great” their “culture” is.

  90. Dr. Rajasingham

    As you can see the people cheering you on are sinhalese, not tamils. If your solution is fair to both parties then you will be cheered equally by both. Just because the road is hard don’t be afraid to to tread it. I know you commented that because the sinhalese are not giving devolution let us go on the path of equal rights enshrined in the constitution. So you yourself admit that the best solution is devolution, but since the sinhala leaders are not giving it, let us get what they are willing to give. I think that is a defeatist attitude. If the sinhalese were really fair dinkum about treating tamils equally then they could have enshrined all those equal rights that you mention in the constitution 60 years ago. What took them so long?So you want us to go back to 60 years ago? not only did they not enshrine these equal rights you mention, they also changed the constitution in 1972, took away whatever rights the tamils have. So really mate, if after 60 years of doing the opposite , you want to talk about enshrining rights in the constitution with them, naturally you will be the darling blue eyed tamil for them.

    In this world you ask for nothing, you get nothing. You ask for everything, you get nothing. So always ask for what is reasonable and fair. That way you will get something.

  91. Dear Shankar,

    Once again thanks for your comment. My comments are not made with the intention of inviting cheers or jeers. My intention is to express my views on a subject and history that has affected my life to a considerable extent. I have also seen what it has done to the people with whom I share an identity. I am very concerned that this history does not repeat.

    I am a Tamil, as any Tamil could be and am equally a Sri Lankan as any one could be. I have borne the brunt of the stupidity and brutality from both sides of this conflict. My opinions and thoughts are seeded by these experiences.

    I am convinced that unless we accept current realities and work towards resolving what we think are our grievances within the ambit of a united Sri Lanka, we will not make head way. To many Sinhalese, united is unitary and devolution is separation. Our war for so called “liberation’ has cast this sentiments in concrete. It is not going to change in the near future.

    This is unfortunately a reality we have to accept. Trying to fight it would only mean further destruction for us. Can we afford it? Definitely, not. We have to be patient, tolerant , wise and visionary to survive and succeed as a people in Sri Lanka. What we have done hitherto has been the anti-thesis of this.

    An Abraham Lincoln, John F.Kennedy, or Lyndon Johnson like leader has to emerge from among the Sinhalese to deal with an issue such as greater devolution, and carry the Sinhala people with him/ her. This is a long way off . Mahinda Rajapakse, is the person capable of providing us the space within Sri Lanka to develop and prosper as a people. ‘HE’ is otherwise a product of the times and responds to the sentiments of his vote bank- the Sinhalese. He has definitely silenced the extreme Sinhala elements. This is something we have to appreciate and benefit from.

    Further, I have to rather reluctantly relate a story that should serve as an example of how backward we Tamils are yet as a people. Someone close to me, is bringing up two children- a brother and sister (a wonderful and intelligent duo), from Jaffna. They were brought to Colombo about six years back and are attending school in Colombo. This friend -a Tamil, was not bothered about the caste origins of the children and has not bothered to even investigate the matter. However, some of his relatives from Jaffna, have stopped partaking food and drinks in his home, because these children live there! This is apartheid at its worst! What a sad commentary on a people, who have fought for liberation for 30 + years. Let us work to renew ourselves first and become a new people. We are paying the price for our accumulated karma.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  92. See for example the plight of these innocent sinhala people in jaffna

    The sit in at the railway station has all the signs of an orchestrated scam.

  93. Comment 101.

    I am sure there are hundreds of thousands Tamil people who are cheering Dr Rajasingham.

    It is only the opinionated pro LTTE lobby, domiciled in the West that tries to cut down any sensible and visionary Tamil voices who appear here.

    Dr Rajasingham shows remarkable pragmatism, common sense and a clear vision as to how best the Tamil Srilankans can overcome their problems imposed on them by the LTTE and move forward to gain their rightful place in the society.

    Pre Prabakaran population of the North who resided mainly in Jaffna were quite well off and definitely better off than most of the Sinhalese.

    Despite the propaganda dished out by the pro LTTers , Tamil people in Srilanka have no major problems except the ones in the North who had been kept captive by the LTTE.

    The Million odd Tamil people in Colombo lived and are living comfortably despite the so called war.

    Most of these Colombo Tamils are wealthy people. Some are well known and well established Industrialists , Merchants and public and private sector officials.

    So where is this discrimination?.

    If their rights are not enshrined how did they achieve these privileged positions?

    Although the LTTE was defeated the Eelam goal still is the caper among the Diasporians.

    This is why these lobbyists are quick off the mark to attack any reasonable voices who go against the Eelam dream.

  94. 101. shankar  |  Dr Rajasingham….As you can see the people cheering you on are sinhalese, not tamils. If your solution is fair to both parties then you will be cheered equally by both. Just because the road is hard don’t be afraid to to tread it.
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     Tamils will not cheer Dr R because they are hurt they lost the war and they don’t want a compromising, defeatist  attitude. But Dr R is a realist. Singhalese are NOT fair dinkum about treating Tamils equally because after 30 years of bloody war, they are weary and suspicious of Tamils. In this war, majority of Tamils supported the Elam. The victor now calls the tune. Tamil people have two choices. Either build up confidence among the Sinhala leadership to win their trust or go into confrontation. The Singhalese are ready for both.

     80% of the people will not give into 20%. As I see it never happens anywhere. In USA, blacks and whites are about 48% and 52% but whites rule the roost even though they got a black President. 

    Tamil leadership must work for the betterment of the poor Tamils. Piyasena just did that. I am sure he is called a traitor by die hard Tamils or arse licker of the Singhalese(by my Diaspora friends) but the poor Tamils who supported him wants to get out of poverty and will not care a toss about ideology. He supported the GOSL to get something for his people. He was willing to eat the humble pie because there is no other choice.

     I can’t see a big difference between Dr R’s attitude and Piyasens’s. The question is not whether what the Singhalese are doing is right or wrong but how well the Tamils can salvage their fortunes.

     I am a well wisher and a friend of the Tamils and I am proud of that. However I am also being a realist and I have experienced somewhat their suffering.

  95. “comment 86
    Otherwise, Sri Lanka will forever remain the beggar state as it is known.
    comment 88
    If Sri Lankan people are smart, they will elect a more pragmatic true leader of all people next time. ”

    So speaks a diaspora refugee who hasn’t stepped foot in Sri-Lanka in over 20 years.
    Comment 86-We Sri-Lankans are happy to remain a “begger state” free of Genocidal mono-ethnic Peelamist terrosists.
    Comment 88- It is thanks to your Super Supreme Sun God (TM) that Mahinda was elected president so remember he is the Sun God’s choice. Please continue to support the SSGM (TM)’s choice.

    As Navin’s says (comment 90-I’m sick and tired of replying to people like you. Thanks for taking pity on us.) it’s pointless wasting time on diasspora refugees, the only points of view that matter are those of Sri-Lankans who live in Sri-Lanka…..

  96. Zor of post #100,

    Tamils in north and east do not have problems with sinhala community building a ‘vihara’ or statue in north and east for worshipping purposes.

    If you read my comments carefully, I meant to say government building statues of buddha under every ‘arasa’ or ‘bo’ treee possible, with a colonising and imposing attitude.

    Tamils never have problem with normal innocent sinhalese doing those things. But the way government does it using SLA to undertake such ventures, that puts doubts about the bonafides of this government.

    Don’t tell me about who is ‘racist’ and religious ‘bigots’. It is the sinhalese community that has ‘JATHIKA HELA URMAYA’ completely dedicated to ‘religious fanaticism and racial supremacy’. Tamils do not have and do not tolerate such organizations.

    May be, instead of listening to Rajapakse clan’s lies, you should read and educate yourself. Also, you should visit Jaffna or Batticaloa to see how friendly those people are to your own kind.

    I guess that is enough to answer your misguided questions.

  97. Ranjan,

    Speaking in ‘tamil’ can be done by everyone to show off. I can also learn spanish and speak in spanish in UN if I want to attract some spanish people.

    Answer my question. Why would Rajapakse put only ‘sinhala’ name boards in many tamil parts of Batticaloa. Just answer that question and let me know.

    I know sinhalese learn Bharatha natyam and so forth. I also know the government operated and funded Jaffna University. If Jaffna University was a hot bed of LTTE, then Peradeniya was a ‘hot bed’ of JVP as well during 1987 – 1990. If the government does not treat its citizens fairly, the youth with deeper thinking could be easily frustrated and misdirected towards radical paths.
    This is the lesson we all have to learn from the ‘foolish politics of Sri Lankan leaders who only thrived in racial and communal politics’.

    May be instead of trading blames about our communities, we should focus on what can we do next to address the root cause of these problems and chart a new course for Sri Lanka. Denying the problems ever existed and trying to blame the Tamils, bringing the Kandiyan – coastal sinhala divide, Jaffna – other tamil issues here – I only see it as an indication, that many in Sri Lanka have not grown up, and will not grow up in the near future to build a new nation.

    Of course, when you have such communal leaders like the Rajapakse brothers, how can free and fair thinking flourish. What happened to Lasantha Wickrematunga will happen to someone if they think in a reformed way.

    I will not waste time with you guys. I am no longer a Sri Lankan citizen, and it is up to you guys to make a good peace after the decisive end to the civil war. If you want to live in the same old mind set still harping on the ‘high caste, low cast sinhala, tamil politics, GOOD LUCK TO SL.

  98. Diyasena,

    So, when I point out the ‘Up country VS low country’ sinhala divide, you become defensive. That is why I myself do not want to dwell on these divides so much. The high-caste vs low caste in Tamil and the ‘up countyr high caste vs low country low caste’ in sinhala (it still exists, regardless of your excuses) are a product of economic inequality.

    Now, with many poor people in Jaffna starting to own businesses and become educated, this divide is slowly eroding away. Likewise, I am sure it is slowly improving in south too.

    So, what is your point? Admit that the past and current leaders do not know how to treat all citizens equally. If you admit, it is easier to fix the problem and pave the way for a happy life in Sri Lanka. If you are in denial, GOOD LUCK MATE.

  99. 98. Ranjan, Toronto
    And we may have already had a Tamil prime minister had not LTTE murdered Kadiragarma

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    SL Tamil leaders would be accepted as a potential prime minister candidate, once they dead and no more. !

    I wonder, why SL Tamils do not appreciate the broadminded sinhalese ???

  100. # 90. Navin | October 19th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    88. Meikandan:

    I’m sick and tired of replying to people like you. Thanks for taking pity on us.

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    I could hear the cry of Mahesh from far away distance….
    Feeling the same for Navin & Ranjan.

  101. 96. Diyasena

    A vocal elitiitst group wanted to re-establish the apartheid privileges they enjoyed under the colonial masters in a part or the whole of the island.

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    B-C pact and the DC pact are not about establishing apartheid privileges. They only wanted some devolution of powers.

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    What I want to find out is is whether Tamil supremacists who balk at the Mahavansa every few sentences, who destroyed Buddhist temples in the North and East with glee, would now start bashing the Mahabharat with equal ease?

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    Let us see your wish coming true.

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  102. #102 Dr Narendran
    You are a tamil and a Srilankan. But all Tamils in this Island are not Srilankans. When India was under British rule what the Ghandi’s citizenship was? Now a day many have dual citizenship Gottabaya is a Srilankan and has an American citizenship? Varatharajapperumal who declared Independent Eelam also prefers srilankan citizenship. Some Singalees coming to Jaffna can claim Eelam citizenship If Eelam is recognized by UN. even SF who is now in Srilankan jail might apply for Eelam citizenship.
    An Eelam citizen

  103. 114 What a brilliant idea !

    When Vaiko is PM or President,you also can be a dual citizen instead of the pretend one that you go under.

  104. # 105 Don

    ……………….80% of the people will not give into 20%. As I see it never happens anywhere. In USA, blacks and whites are about 48% and 52% but whites rule the roost even though they got a black President…………………………

    First of all, Rajasingham Narendran’s comparison of Sri Lanka with USA was misplaced , to put it mildly.

    A tribal society should not be compared with a civilized society.

    A lawless country is no comparison for a country of laws.

    Being an opportunist , right on cue, you followed up the foolish comparison made by Rajasingham with an idiotic sermon from down under saying whites rule the roost in USA.

    Based on what you make such an idiotic statement ?

    For your information the worldly knowledge that you have is very limited and you are croaking aloud like bull frog.

    It is quite possible discrimination is rampant or significant in the country where you are domiciled.

    In industrialized countries like USA an individual’s skill and academic qualifications primarily determine the ability to earn a living and the social standing .

    Bobby Jindal (Governor of Louisana) and Sanjay Gupta of CNN ( who turned down a position offered by Obama in the Department of Health) are just two high profile examples.

    I personally know quite a lot of Asians who have excelled in their career in USA enjoying all the perks and privileges a white man enjoys.

    I also know phonies from Asia who having failed to meet the eligibility requirements accepting positions much lower than they are accustomed to in Asia.

    In short, to cover up the shortcomings that you find in Sri Lanka you are resorting to mud slinging and thereby exposing your idiocy and mediocrity.

  105. “The high-caste vs low caste in Tamil and the ‘up countyr high caste vs low country low caste’ in sinhala (it still exists, regardless of your excuses) are a product of economic inequality.”

    And how do you who has not set foot in Sri Lanka in 20+ years know it still exists. I speak from personal experience as my parents (hence my relatives) are from either side of the non-existent divide. As Ranjan said before the same lie said over a hundred time (Goebbels theory) does not sound like the truth anymore..You call yourself fairminded but your posts reek of ignorant bigotry..

    The up-country low country divide of the Sinhalese was not an economic product. It was caused by the low country falling to Portugese and Dutch rule a couple of centuries before the Kandyan Kingdom fell to British..A low countryman led the up-country rebellion against the Brits in 1848, showing that in matters of national interest the divide faded even back then,,

  106. #113 Mahesh,

    Chelva wanted had a dangerous clause neatly tucked away to re-establish the apartheid bantustan (aka eelam), the right for districts to amalgamate without national referendum.

  107. #114.

    “Some Singalees coming to Jaffna can claim Eelam citizenship If Eelam is recognized by UN. even SF who is now in Srilankan jail might apply for Eelam citizenship.”

    Your disassociation with reality is alarming..Please consider psychiatric help..

  108. “Tamils do not have and do not tolerate such organizations. ”

    What a laugh! Suddenly forgot the LTTE have you?

    Tamils have the blood of thousands of innocents on their hands, including that of their own people.

    Racists like the TNA get so many votes from Tamils and you sit here and say that “Tamils do not have and do not tolerate such organizations.”

    Tamil parties in Tamil Nadu are obsessed with Dravidian racial superiority and you think Tamils aren’t racist?

    Hilarious!

  109. 118. Diyasena

    Chelva wanted had a dangerous clause neatly tucked away to re-establish the apartheid bantustan (aka eelam), the right for districts to amalgamate without national referendum.

    ——————————–

    What is so dangerous in that. They are going to be in Sri Lanka only. isn’t it?

  110. 109. Meikandan

    I was responding to your assertion that Sinhalese are hell bent on destroying and erasing Tamil culture from Sri Lanka. That is simply not true.

    I would be the first to admit that our politicians indulge in racial and communal politics. But don’t single out the Sinhalese, Tamils can and do racial politics as well as us.

  111. 109. Meikandan  

    I am no longer a Sri Lankan citizen, and it is up to you guys to make a good peace after the decisive end to the civil war. If you want to live in the same old mind set still harping on the ‘high caste, low cast sinhala, tamil politics, GOOD LUCK TO SL.
    —————————————————————————–

    I am a sinhala buddhist normal man who is living in up country form by birth up to date . I too had been western countries and had experience of living for short periods. So I think I could understand what your aspiration. That is why I asked what is the problems that tamils are suffiring. You purposly omit to reply it.

    Don’t make any nonesense. By telling lies you and other people could get PR from the western countries, Australia and NewZealand. What was the ultimatium. Irrespective of your position You aught to pay 10% tax from your entire earnings.Then house rent and light bill are follow. If you have spare money You could afford food. But have you any chance to freely cook them. You have to make precaution not leaking the smell of cooking. You have to pay medicine and education too.

    The most suffering point is although you talking in tamil at home. The youngers are freely expressing their thoughs in english. Actually their mother toung is english . This bad situation bicomming into worst if they boarned in those countries. Actually they must call BLACK ,WHITE but not tamils. Those younger’s ideology are completely same as whte youngers. When they have to talk in tamils they are translating their thoughts into tamils.

    No doubt that there are rooms for earning money. But wht sort of job opputurnities that are available to you. slave jobs. When you here you never did this sort of things as for living.

    As far as concern about equal states. Are those white people really care for you. The white people never care about you. In addition to that the climate too attack you. Is not true. Try to listining to your own heart beat.

    With the all worst impacts what you are doing, You are sitll thinking those good days that passed here. You are thinking taht sinhala people are foolish.

    I had oppurtunity visit India too. I visited 3/4 of Indian land. Met more peopls from north to south. Then I know how th indians are tollarationg with sourthing indian people.

    You sit infrount of the computer and and make dreaming.

    I firmly tell you that. There are an any descrimination here. No any tamil promlem to be solved.

    May be your aspiration is there. It is personel problem.

    samarasekara.

  112. Once I met a fat guy at an office near Nugegoda. I spoke to him, and I found him such an arrogant guy. This was sometime in 2008…Well, I didn’t have to speak to him, but I did as i was the other client in that office. This fat guy had 2-3 people with him.

  113. Nostradamus,

    You call the USA , a civilized society in comparison to Sri Lanka, a tribal society. How civilized was the US, when the ‘Blacks’ were held in bondage as slaves- to be sold and bought, beaten, raped and even killed at will? How civilized was the US, when the Ku Klax Klan roamed the streets lynching the blacks? How civilized was the US, when segregation in schools and public places was enforced by the police? How the ‘Blacks’ have reached where they are now, is a story, we Tamils have to learn much from. Our problems are very much smaller than what the ‘Blacks’ had experienced. Hence we have a shorter road to traverse. We have to also produce a leader of the calibre of Dr.Martin Luther King, to take us out of the quagmire we are struck.

    Yes, we Sri Lankans periodically sink into the tribal mode. No one can deny the events that have clouded our post-independence history. However, I do not hesitate to assert that the Sinhala people and most of their leaders are trying to climb out of this mind set. However, unfortunately, we Tamils- at least the noisy lot amongst us, insist on yet wallowing in tribal sentiments.

    The time to change course is now. If we fail, we have to take the blame.

    _Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  114. TNA may complain, they are not invite to president’s development meetings and other ministerial meetings chaired by Basil and Douglas.

    We don’t see them as Tamil leaders, they are simply indian agents working on indian interests and agenda.

    If they genuinely want some of their involvement in Mahinda chintanaya, they need to stop the business of reporting to india and other western masters.

    The basic problem is Tamil’s don’t have a genuine leadership, unfortunately it will take a while before all the work government is doing to start showing any significant improvement.

  115. #121. Mahesh,

    “What is so dangerous in that. They are going to be in Sri Lanka only. isn’t it?”

    The danger of the clause was districts could amalgamate without central government approval or national referendum. This would have created a unit far larger than the others, which would cover a significant swath of land. Not even fully federal nations such as Switzerland allows it’s cantons to merge arbiterarily. This would have ended up the mono-ethnic bantustan that excludes other ethnicites from the area using discriminatory laws., and eventually a separate state (The Chelva method- little now more later)..

  116. 119 Diyasena
    That’s why I Inserted the “UN” in my comment I know many Srilankans are now panic about that.
    An Eelam citizen

  117. Samarasekara of post #123:

    Let me give you what tamil aspiration is:

    (1) Do not single out tamils for racial mistreatment.

    (2) Do not sing hallelujas ‘all of us are Sri Lankans’ and then go behind the back to enact constitutions and laws just to give prominence to ‘buddhism and sinhala only type’ things.

    (3) Do not pass laws like ‘Tamil is a state language’ and go behind the back and erase tamil place names in Batticaloa (a recent example).

    (4) Your war hero ‘Sarath Fonseka’ openly said in an interview when the war was on, ” This country belongs to Sinhalese, and others should live in the fringes”. He bared it all what is in the minds of hardline sinhala polity. Don’t tell me that Tamils are so naive to expect good treatment from these types of powerful people.

    (5) Don’t tell me when a good journalist like Lasantha Wickrematunga is killed in cold blood in broad day light by people supported by top brass just for ‘speaking for the rights and good treatment for his fellow countrymen – tamils’, that we should trust your leaders to deliver.

    (6) Do not tell me that while the IDPs are languishing in sheds and in open space in rain and mud, this government is building homes for soldiers in Wanni and building ‘star hotels’ in the north.

    (7) Mr. Samarasekara, who told you there are only slave jobs available in the west?? If you are talented and if you know your trade, or if you want to own business, you are free to do. THEY ONLY WORRY ABOUT IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING IT. They do not worry about whether you are tamil or sinhala and what forth. Just for your information, I am working as a chemical engineer and supervising 5-6 white people who are working for me. I truly have doubts whether you travelled enough in the world let alone ‘lived’.

    (8) Keep dreaming my sinhala brother that ‘there is no problem in your lala land’. But one thing is for sure. As long as people like you keep denying there are serious problems in the country, it is easy for communal minded leaders to take you for a ride and keep you in a ‘closet’.

    (9) For your information: Tamil youngsters and tamil people can freely speak in their own language in ‘buses, trains in work places, etc. in western countries these days (unlike in the past). No body thinks that is bad here. In fact, they show you respect if you do that because one of my co-workers tell me it is good to see I speak to my wife on phone during the break in pure ‘Tamil’.

    — My dear friend, the world is changing, except the leaders of the beautiful emeral island called Sri Lanka.

    If you want to learn more about outside Sri Lanka feel free to ask me or others. Don’t try to show like other countries are bad and they treat asians as slaves (just like Jathika Hela Urumaya and other Mahinda sidekicks have you believe).

  118. Zor of post #124,

    You behave like a childish person even after my post. No body is worried about viharas and temples. You can build anything you want anywhere.

    Also, keep setting up ‘sinhala only’ name boards. You are making the diaspora tiger activitists task of ‘anti – SL propaganda’ easy by doing these things. Keep it going. These are all ammunitions you give to other countries to intimidate and subdue Sri Lanka at a later date.

    Keep it going.

  119. Ranjan of post #122,

    Thank you for your comments. I have to admit that it was a very healthy discussion I had with you, even though at times it was very hot. However, I do admire your courage to accept there is race politics by Sri Lankan leaders. I also agree that to match the race politics from southern leaders, some leaders of TULF and later LTTE also played the race cards to a certain extent.

    I am not like some other souls here pretending that there is no problem in Sri Lanka and take ‘sadistic’ pleasure in saying ‘we will do anything’ just like the Rajapakse family does.

    I am so happy that DBS provides this medium so that people like me get a good chance to have healthy debates with people like Ranjan who have decent grip of what is happening in the island. Likewise, it is also of entertainment value to see ‘one-sided’ – ‘we don’t have any problem’ type comments from some folks here.

    Even though you and I still differ on certain things, at least some of your arguments are good for debating.

    Keep in touch through our comments.

  120. 112. sjoseph

    I could hear the cry of Mahesh from far away distance….
    Feeling the same for Navin & Ranjan.

    ————————————–

    Though some times I feel sick and tired with their arguments, they are teaching me the virtue of patience.

    More than myself I feel pity for my Tamil brethren suffering there.

    Their arguments are like here we go around …. again and again and again……..

    It gives an indication of the Sinhala hard line people.

    You have to work out with all sorts of people and should not be afraid to deal with them.

    But I do believe that there should be some moderates left among them who could see reason.

    These Navin and ranjan type should be made to see reason.

  121. TNA and other interested parties Stop talking about devolution of power to the Tamils, rather this is the time for you to be devotees of rajabaksa, that way you can fill your pockets at least.

    Like karuna, pilliyan, douglas,marvin and other eminent lankan leaders .

    Mahinda chintanaya in full swing hurrah lanka

  122. Dr.Rajasingham Narendran is a great son of mother lanka, this kind of transformation and maturity is what other Tamils need to follow as an example.
    Keep your great work sir, mother lanka salute you. Order of the day is no more Tamil terrorism.

  123. 116. Nostradamus:- I was not really having Dr R’s comments in my mind when I wrote this. Secondly, the views I expressed were NOT my personal attitude to this matter but the general reflection of Singhalese thinking. Thirdly comparison with USA was made to show, that even in USA where blacks are really not a minority because the 52/48 split, their standard of living is much below that of the whites. Very recently I read a report to the New Oriens natural disaster and they found if the area was predominantly white, the US government response to the disaster would have been much more rapid! Yes I agree with you, that if one is cleaver, one can get to the top whether they belong to majority or minority. However I totally disagree with you to portray SL as tribal society Vs USA as civilized. Dr R has replied you on this. You have failed to understand the point I was making and then goes on a personal attack.

  124. 128. Diyasena

    Even if they merge they would be in sri lanka only. Your fear of them seceding are just fears.

    Even if you had that fear you could have done a deal minus that clause instead of annuling it.

    A good oppurtunity was lost and that resulted in lot of blood shed in your island.

  125. Dr. Kaluwitharan of post #135:

    There won’t be any tamil resistance if THERE IS NO SINHALA BUDDHIST CHAUVINISM.

    Also, the only greatest nation on earth that has ‘Bhikkus’ leading the religious bigotism and communal frenzy is Sri Lanka.

  126. In srilanka we are not only losing our human rights, but more importantly losing our screwing right. Sinhala rabbits beware, while we are running out like hares, you are not able to enjoy your women’s wares.

    here is an excerpt from an article from Lakbima news

    “Couples speaking to LAKBIMAnEWS urge a human rights organization to challenge the police harassment they underwent, in courts on behalf of them, as their personal freedom is curtailed day by day.
    We spoke to many couples at Galle Face and Viharamahadevi Park and in anonymity, they said that they only spend time talking to their lovers and do not engage in any sexual activities. But they are in fear whether police would arrest them as police arrested couples on Polhena beach in Matara, and at Galle Fort recently.
    “We even fear to hold hands. We feel that we are losing our freedom to talk to our lovers. This country is heading for a Taliban era police state situation”, they said.
    Meanwhile, some 13 hotels and guest houses in Kurunegala which had been pounced upon by the police to nab suspected couples a few weeks ago are shut down at the moment.
    As a result of this closure of hotels and guest houses, Kurunegala town could now only boast of one such hotel with basic lodging facilities.
    These couples after being taken to the police station had been benched, and they had been sternly warned not to visit any hotel in the town.
    SSP Vaas Gunawardene in charge of the Kurunegala Division, stated that the reason for sending cops to swoop on hotel and guest house rooms, was to nab ‘suspects’ as they had received ‘information’ .
    As a result of it all people inside hotel and guest house rooms have to be checked and they invariably have to be taken into custody, he said.
    Meanwhile, Senior Lecturer of the Law Faculty of the Colombo University Prathiba Mahanama noted that nabbing couples occupying hotel or guest house rooms was against the law.
    He added that school-going children would never occupy such places and that this was a lame excuse trotted out by the police.
    “Apprehending couples who are beyond the age limit required to stay in such rooms is a slight on the judiciary itself”, Mahanama said.
    “The reason for this is, the judiciary has clearly granted the approval and the right to any couple who are not underage, from staying in such rooms”.
    He further pointed out that recently the OIC of the Seeduwa police having deployed a team, had nabbed a couple occupying a hotel room.
    “The male was married while the female was unmarried and they were produced before court as a couple who had extra-marital sex”, Mahanama added.
    “However, that couple appealed to the SC through a fundamental rights application and the SC gave the ruling that any couple irrespective of whether they are married or not could occupy rooms of their choice — and that it does not come under an offence.’’
    “The SC has clearly indicated that adultery is only relevant in a divorce case and the only charge that could be directed would be at people who are below the age of 16 from occupying such hotels or guest houses, in which case sex becomes statutory rape”.
    Prathiba Mahanama also asserted that the police can only raid brothels with a search warrant issued by a court and not otherwise.
    In that sense he affirmed that if a couple who are occupying a room according to their wishes are evicted forcibly by the police, such couples could always file fundamental rights case against their tormentors”

    Over to you Mr. Sumanthiran. We require a good speech from you in parliament on this, with the UNP so frightened.

  127. Dr. Rajasingham Narendran of post #126:

    Are you sure who is more tribal here? The tribalism started with 1958 riots and continued towards 1974 Tamil research conference carnage, 1977 and the worst in 1983. There was no tribalistic violence from Tamils until then. We all know the many ‘sinhala leaders’ of that time were the chief architects of the tribal sentiments.

    LTTE’s tribal sentiments and the same type of response came after the continuous abuse of the sinhala leaders (I say ‘leaders’ here, not the people as many of them are still peace loving) in the form of organizing mass tamil killing and riots.

    You can pacify a few hardliners here with your comments like these, but don’t bury the truth in saying so. Just because you were never affected by the war, please don’t pass one sided judgement ” some of our tamil people wallow tribal sentiment “.

    Give me a break. The statistics and truth does not support your argument. See who is cheering for you. The people who issue naked threats to people of opposing opinion (just like their masters) – they are the ones who are cheering such comments like yours.

    Don’t be afraid to speak the truth. Another thing: Rajapakse is not like Vijaya Kumaratunga or Peter Kieuneman or Dudley Senanayaka. He is a thorughbread hawk, and even if you praise him, to him you are a second class citizen.

  128. Dear Mr Meikandan, we srilankan airway in corporation with mihin airways are flying daily flights to jaffna, if you already haven’t used our five star services please contact your nearest authorised srilankan airways agent and experience the difference.
    Please let your other friends know as well.

  129. 140. Meikandan | October 21st, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    Dr. Rajasingham Narendran of post #126:
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    Just because you were never affected by the war, please don’t pass one sided judgement ” some of our tamil people wallow tribal sentiment “.
    ——————————————-
    meikandan
    I don’t think you are able to read through the lines of Dr.Rajasingham. He is crying out from his heart for peace, and is willing to take anything for it, and therefore must be a man who has suffered terribly due to this war. I did not treat him hashly like you because of that, but i pointed out to him what he will accept most tamils won’t. i don’t kknow how you can come to conclusions like that he has not Suffered.Finding a tamil who has not suffered will be like trying to find a needle in the haystack, only the degree of suffering will be different. In his case it is obvious that he is desperate for peace, and hence is a man who has suffered and had enough.

  130. “Even if you had that fear you could have done a deal minus that clause instead of annuling it”

    The problem was the other side insisted that this clause cannot be changed (Meaning they had an ulterior motive)..Even today if the district is the mode of decentralization there will be very little opposition in SL..Besides the local issues and identity of someone in Ampara or Trinco is very different from someone coming from Jaffna. I explained this to Shankar in a previous post. I am not advocating importing the Swiss model wholesale with it’s bungling bureaucracy but they too have successfully decentralized power to their cantons (instead of ethno-linguistic areas), whilst keeping the country as a whole.

    The district is the natural unit of decentralizing power,

    1. No district is large enough to secede and act independently so there will be little mistrust and interfering from the center.

    2. Sri Lankans identify themselves with the district. When you ask someone where he she is from she will say Colombo, Jaffna, Trinco etc.. Not West, East, South etc..

    3. There is already some administrative decentralisation via District Courts, GAs etc.

    But some people still insist on a merged mono-ethnic Bantustan, based on apartheid and mythical homeland theories..

  131. #140. Meikandan,

    “LTTE’s tribal sentiments and the same type of response came after the continuous abuse of the sinhala leaders”

    In the 1958 riots Sinhala villages in Batti and Vavuniya were hit as well.

    Tamil leaders of the 60s and 70s wanted to swim in pools of Sinhala blood and make slippers out of Sinhala skins..

    “The people who issue naked threats to people of opposing opinion (just like their masters)”

    The threats were directed towards the LTTE rump. If the thoppi fits you please wear it. The state does not mean any physical harm to naked-emperors who try to paint others as Nazis, whilst on the other hand demanding a mono-ethnic apartheid system..

  132. Hello Diyasena of post #140,

    It is the joke of the year when you say ” In the 1958 riots sinhala villages in Batti and Vavuniya were hit as well”.

    Oh really? That is why we did not have any ‘sinhalese’ casualties. What I heard was, that fearing tamil reprisals, these villages simply ‘vacated’.

    Another joke of the year comment from you: “Tamil leaders of 60’s and 70s wanted to swim in pools of sinhala blood and make slippers out of sinhala skins”. I know some idiots said they wanted to make slippers. But, the sinhala hoodlums operated by SWRD truly mastered the art of how to throw ‘babies’ in to burning tars, and later in the next 6 decades how to systematically kill over 150000 tamils in the process.

    Also, the SLA has a penchant for raping and destroyed many tamil womens lives. Also, they cannot apparently keep themselves under control such that, in a U.N mission in Haiti, over 100 SLA were accused of forcing teenage girls to have sex.
    So, the sadistic record goes on and on about the Mahinda gang and their ‘henchmen’ in foreign postings. Please don’t even try anything here. Don’t try to throw a stone from your weak glass house.

    I remember Cyril Maththew, who really wanted to ‘swim and drink’ tamil blood in late 70’s and early 80’s. And he did in 1983. I remember JR. Jeyawardena, who openly admitted in an interview to a foreign journalist, he was prepared to ‘starve’ tamils if it made the sinhalese happy. I remember Gamini Dissanayaka, who went to Nuwara Eliya at the peak of the 1983 riots and said ‘Are there no self respecting sinahlese here, go and burn the themala’. I remember Athulath Mudali, who openly told his tamil contemporaries, ‘we will be happy to break the heads of the tamils’. The list goes on …. goes on…… My friend.

    Do you still need few more examples?? Or is this good enough for you? Let me know. Because, the work and life here is busy and I need to use my time effectively.

    What did you say? the naked threats were directed towards LTTE rump? Then you and your like-minded friends should have stated it clearly. I CLEARLY REMEMBER AND IT IS IN THE COMMENTS SECTION, THE GUY WHO SAID THAT REFERRED TO “DIASPORA”.

    Guys, your government’s Goebbels lies and ‘beggar’ politics with world nations will not last long. Now Mahinda group don’t have any LTTE to blame to or they don’t have anything else to blame on. They are in a tight fix to formulate a true strategy to renew the ‘begging bowl’. So, they are inventing problems such as diaspora, overseas tigers, etc., etc.

    As Bradman Weerakon recently said, if SL government found a way to bring the opposite side in to the fold rather than, ‘knocking it over’ (making justifiable concessions to share power and allow freedom), they won’t have to continuously ‘invent’ stories and keep Sri Lanka under a “Police State mentality”.

    I am sure, the way Rajapakse clan is shaping up Lanka, in a few years, everyone will be suspecting everyone over there.

    Sri Lanka will be a 21st century example of a real banana state / Nazi state in the near future

  133. It is time Tamils in particular, stopped defining ourselves in terms of our prejudices, hatreds, injuries, scars and anger. The Sinhalese and Muslims too should come out of this mindset. There has to be an end to this at some point. We have to learn from history. However, history, especially that which unfolds in our life time, is never accurate and truthful. It always carries a considerable degree of bias. Thus, history should not be a guide to the future. History, as beauty,is in the eyes of the beholder!

    Should we not be more objective and rational in defining our future? Should we Tamils be defining our selves for ever in terms of being ‘Victims’? Why cannot we define ourselves as a people who want to rise from the ashes to become a ‘great’ people.

    Should we not build on the positives attributes we have yet not been robbed of as a people- innately intelligent, frugal, hard working and self sacrificing, disciplined and able to plan for the future. We have what it takes to renew ourselves as a people, if we know how to benefit from the prevailing circumstances. This encompasses everything from the most mundane to the profound. We have much to do to define ourselves as people, both as a distinct group within Sri Lanka and in terms of the other peoples in Sri Lanka.

    Meikandan- I did not say that the Tamils were more tribal than the Sinhalese. I had alluded to our – Sinhalese and Tamils- tribal behaviour at times. However, what I emphasized was that we Tamils should not continue to wallow in ‘Tribal’ sentiments, when the Sinhalese are trying come out of it.

    Shankar- thanks for discerning the reasons for my stance. I have suffered and have seen suffering. I have also interacted with the Sinhala people at all levels. we are a ‘disabled minority’. N.U. Jayawardene wanted us to be made a ‘manageable minority’ . However, we have our selves connived to become even less. I do not think we can afford to pay the price for a misconceived approach, any more. A new way has to be found. If we want to be like Tiruvalluwar’s ‘Kavarimaan’ , we will perish as a people and will be recorded as the ‘Fossils/ Fools’ of history.

    Editor- Please delete the previous entry, which was accidentally posted, before completion.

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  134. 115 Anonymous
    Thank you for your response. Actually Kalaignar Karananithi is second to none. He already recommended union Government to grant Indian citizenship for Eelam refugees staying in India. I really worry about ever dropping number of my fellow citizens. Eelam only give the 2 nd citizenship to them without peeping into their pocket. I appreciate the UN intervention can you appreciate that? You can’t because we both belong to different nations. May the new global concept of Duel citizenship give a practical solution for our existence?
    An Eelam citizen

  135. Comment 139,

    The award winning journalists at Lakbima not only want the Rajapaksa regime to dismantle the security of the nation but they also want to make the Sinhalese a promiscuous society.

    These people who say AYE to Lakbima agenda live in countries where the Morning After Pill is dispensed on the National Health Scheme.

    Teenage girls who get knocked up are given a pension until the child gets to 21.

    Teenagers brag about not whether they had sex after school but how many partners and how many times.

    The poor Sinhala lasses can not afford this luxury.

    The poor Sinhala women mainly the rural folk who come to town centers to work in export industries and get duped by the well off city slickers to have a quickie in a hotel are also helpless to resist these advances.

    If the government uses any legal means to help protect these vulnerable from the predators, all due credit must be given to the authorities.

    Mr Prabakaran at least protected the young and vulnerable women under him from the predators.

  136. 139. shankar | You just won my heart because you are a defender of the screwing rights of the SL people. Well said. As a person who has played tootsies at the Viharamahadevi park and Galle face, my heart goes out to these couples.

  137. 143. Diyasena

    Northern Province would constitute one region; Eastern Province would contain two or more
    regions. Provision would be made for two or more regions to amalgamate subject to
    ratification by Parliament. Two or more regions would also be to collaborate for specific
    purposes of common interest.

    —————————-

    They can merge only subject to the ratification by the parliament. They cannot do it on their own.

    Study well before posting it here.

  138. Comment 146,

    DR Rajasingham’s mission here is like going up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

    Most posters here are still bogged down in their Mahabaratha and Mahawansa.

    What we need are more souls of the caliber of this good man Dr Rajasingham.to hammer his message in to the people who can’t see the Wood for the Trees.

  139. Meikandan :- You are distorting the facts to meet your argument. That’s perfectly ok by me but are you getting your point across? OK, assuming you are right and Singhalese are bastards who screwed up the Tamils and their women, what is your solution? Probably for Singhalese to reform, beg forgiveness and give Tamils their lost rights. But it happens that the Singhalese don’t believe Tamils are deprived & deserve different treatment. So your demands are not met. Then what? Have another war or carry on with confrontational politics?

  140. #145. Meikandan,

    Wow you really believe the propoganda, you must have said it over a 100 times the Goebbelsian way. Sinhala casualties and Tamil atrocities always go unreported on your Tamil-only media and that of your white masters..

    The Haiti issue was another unsubstantiated allegation such as Channel 4 and the recent photos. If the SL army was so ill-disciplined why is the UN asking again for them to do peace keeping duties in Lebanon? On the other hand the ‘sole representatives’ of the Tamils certainly showed their colours by even raping and murdering pregnant women and underage girls, when they raided Sinhala villages in the North and East.

    Keep in mind by begging or otherwise the thug regime has fed, clothed and sheltered. 300,000 IDPs to the best they can, whilst there so called brethren were just barking from abroad and holding protests..Tourism arrivals and stock markets achieve new highs (your boycott SL campaign was an EPIC FAIL)..With China and Russia’s veto any UN action against SL will be null and void..So bring it on mate, we are ready.

    We still have more democracy than Singapore, Malaysia or Korea had in the early stages of there development drives. SL will strive towards development and prosperity with all its citizens enjoying equal (not special) RIGHTS and EQUAL responsibilities. Tamils as well as Sinhalese and Muslims and others will be able to settle and work in any part of the country they wish, with no apartheid systems to deny them…Whilst all this happens you can spew your tamil supremacist venom online and sulk in your adopted country (Maybe try for an Elam in Ontario??)

  141. 145. Meikandan

    Also, the SLA has a penchant for raping and destroyed many tamil womens lives. Also, they cannot apparently keep themselves under control such that, in a U.N mission in Haiti, over 100 SLA were accused of forcing teenage girls to have sex.
    ———————————————-
    Just to put the record straight, What the personnel of SLA in Haiti was accused was patronising places where they used underage girls as prostitues. Not that I am condoning any such behaviour, but asociation of solders and prostitutes is not something new or resticted to SLA. In fact if you look at invstigative reports coming out of every single UN peacekeeping mission, in places like SE Asia, Bosnia, they have had issues of local girls trying to earn money and the peacekeepers looking for “local” talent. Having said all that, I must admit that I do not know all the details, but it certainly was not a simple case of SLA personell forcing girls to have sex. The fact that SLA units are still in Haiti should tell you someting about their overall conduct. In fact they were very much prised for their work there, especially after the earthquake.

    Any your statement, SLA has a penchant for raping and destroyed many tamil women – I know that there have been cases where girls were abducted, raped and killed, but was it widespread and systemic? I don’t think so. But I agree, even one is too many.

    When young men are given guns and unlimited power and put in circumstances where there is no formal civil authority and very little checks and balances, as in a war scenario, some will take advantage of that, may it be to obatain sex, or to pillage and to loot. We all can be santimoneous and say that “No our boys will not behave like that”, but we all know that some of “our boys” will behave like that. It has happened everytime, everywhere human beings settle things by force. In the recent history, Germans did it, Russians did it, Japanese in China, USA forces in Iraq, IPKF in Jaffna and yes SLA and LTTE too.

    The ideal situation is not to settle arguments and disagreements by resorting to force and the use of armies, but unfortunately we do not live in utopia yet. Give him time, King Mahinda will definitely create one in Sri Lanka (hold your breath -just kidding!).

  142. #150. Mahesh,

    The article I read must have referred to an earlier draft. You are right, the final draft requires parliament approval. I apologise for the oversight and thank you for correcting me.

    B-C pact 1958

    I think this site has the final agreement. Most clauses of the pact look okay, apart from handing full power over land, fisheries and waterways to regions. It is sad the UNP and some hardline elements opposed this..

  143. Dr Narendran
    “Should we Tamils be defining our selves for ever in terms of being ‘Victims’? Why cannot we define ourselves as a people who want to rise from the ashes to become a ‘great’ people?”

    We started with banda-chelva fact Then Dudly- chelva-fact. We went for 13 th amendment under Indo -lanka agreement. We signed Norway facilitated ceasefire agreement. pleace note Nothing is appreciated by subsequent Srilankan governments. Now MR did agreement with UN secretary. So definitely this will be the issue of the next Srilankan government. As UN is an intergovernmental body the graph is ascending why you have victim mentality,” We are succeeding” please say it repeatedly
    An Eelam citizen

  144. Ranjan,

    Thanks for a detailed reply. Yes, I agree with you not all the SLA boys are bad minded. I have conversed with some SLA guys when they were on leave in Colombo in 1997. Some of them were just like any other good boy who obeyed elders and so forth. But, what I was talking about the widespread cases of rape in a civil war like in Sri Lanka and some military officers condoned such acts. I also know of situations where some disciplined SLA officers punished SLA men who tried to rape. But those cases are few and far between.

    I do not agree with your comment that LTTE engaged in raping. I will agree with you they at times LTTE blindly executed people just for minor acts of crimes and the ‘traitor’ vs ‘patriot’ stuff. I would also agree with you that they carried out unnecessary assassinations. But, I will not agree with you there were widespread rape cases. If there were, those caders were usually executed for such acts. To be honest with you, LTTE set the bar higher on that issue, much higher than SLA. Just because one army is involved in rape does not mean you can generalize it to everyone.

    Beside that one point, you were spot on in analyzing this thing from an objective point of view. Keep it going. Healthy discussion without spending too much time on blame games is the way forward for ethnic reconciliation.

    Unlike with you, I am forced to argue a bit more harshly with some people here who come up with ‘cock and bull’ type of assertions and ‘nothing happened’ type arguments.

    I am not expecting a sinhalese brother /sister to praise LTTE or say the tamil struggle was flawless. All we want is a frank and honest assessment of what happened in the past on both sides, and how we can make it better not repeating the mistakes of doing politics on ‘language, religion, caste, etc.’

    I am cool with arguments like that from Ranjan.

  145. Diyasena,

    Your latest post and abuses on me is further proof that you are one of the few if not many ‘ignorant’ people who like to be the sidekicks of the Mahinda clan.

    Hey man, you keep calling the whites ‘white masters’. I figure that you still live in the pre-independence mind-set. I have shown you ample proof that if you are talented you can shoot to fame in these countries. If you want to live in denial and in the ‘propaganda’ regime of Mahinda, I have no qualms.

    Another thing, we do not have the need to ask for ‘separate state’ in Ontario. Because, no politician organizes ‘white vans’ or mass riots or even enacts constitution to take away rights from minorities. Everyone feels proud to be Canadian here.

    It is so pathetic to see that people like you shamelessly defending to the low level this Rajapakse brothers for ‘clothing, feeding 300000 IDPs’. Who asked Mahinda to bomb the hell out of those people, destroy their homes and livelihood in the first place?? If MR did not do that he did not have the need to put them in IDP CAMPS, FEED THEM AND CLOTHE THEM. That problem was your rulers’ making and don’t try to show it as some mercy. You bomb the people out, and you are responsible for bringing them back to normalcy.

    Diaspora is prepared to help those poeple and I for example helping one such family through people I know. I would rather do it that way rather than channelling my hard earned money through the stealing Rajapakses who will happily take a part of it for their own expenses.

    Don’t try to fool anyone here. Always think other people are intelligent enough. We have the freedom of expression unlike the fair minded people in Sri Lanka who cannot open their mouth because the Gotabhaya white vans will make them disappear.

    Hey, I heard they are planning to arrest University Students Union president Udhul Premaratna. He was someone I thought was fair and a good person. Even a good student is not spared. WHAT A SHAME?? What is the charge for arresting? Is he also a traitor of your mother land??

    Diyasena, Don and Navin keep it going. Your comments are of good entertainment value here. If Goebbels and Hitler are alive today, Mahinda and his sidekicks will get a red carpet welcome in Germany.

  146. Dr. Rajasingham Narendran,

    My sincere apologies to you if I have caused any hurt by my harsh wording comments. I do understand where your comment is coming from.

    I also understand that due to various factors, including wrong approaches at times by LTTE and international geopolitics, our pain has been prolonged.

    I also believe in peace building in Sri Lanka in a constructive way and true reconciliation. But certainly not with the types that advocate ‘nothing wrong here’.

    The first step to reconciliation is to admit the mistakes from both sides and then chart a new course learning from those mistakes. While many of us are prepared to call a spade a spade, some eternal lovers of ethnic hatred try to fuel the fire again.

    I am talking about people who do not have a clue what is happening how people are enjoying their rights in other countries.

    You will notice that I am cool with the type of arguments from people like Ranjan. But there are quite a few here who really do not want the tamils to feel Sri Lankan, rather they want the tamils to be a ‘subjugated’ people. Those people will get my stern answers.

  147. I happened to read the touchy comments of readers from both sides of the divide.in this page.

    As I understand Dr. Rajasingham Narendran’s wounds in the long and recent conflict are deep and personal. In addition to his immediate family suffering in 1958, 1977 and 1983 from the hands of deranged Sinhalese mobs he has also sadly endured immense tragedy at the hands of the LTTE and the IPKF – where close family members have been brutally killed. Presumably, what should have been the fruits of his education in his own land in peace and happiness has been denied to him and he and his family fated to live overseas. Yet hedoes not appear to bear ill will to those from whom emerged the manimals that caused him and his family untold harm. Some of the leaders of these beasts sadly were to sit in very high seats of political power is an indictment to all that is decent in our society. He seeks unity, peace and friendship between all communities is a
    sign of much learning and intellect. . His endeavours go far beyond rhetoric. He appears to spend a lot of his time and resources in his much endeared role – recognised, I notice, by leading actors of the state – albeit in fits and starts. I know there are many in the country in both sides of the divide like this good Lankan. Many Tamils will agree with the flow of thoughts of blueprints of solution he has proposed earlier to our hopefully shared future..

    For those who sometimes say here “Tamils are doing well in Colombo” I am sorry to say this assessment is far from the truth and is inaccurate. Arguably, the majority in the slums of Mutwal, Madampitiya, Wellampitiya, Narahenpita,
    Kotahena, Slave Island are Tamils of recent Indian origin. I have worked with and helped some of hem in the past. Many of N-E origin are now found in hovels in Wellawatta, Kotahena, Kochichikade (Cbo 13), Mattakkuliya, Mutwal, Wattalal and other areas- all living in sub-standard conditions. The terribly high food-shortages in recent months have reduced many of them to the level of the poorest in society. Needless to add, the fate of many Sinhalese and Muslims is just as bad. One wonders what indeed happened to those loftily-launched Urban Slum Clearance and other programmes we have read from the post-1960s. Instead of a reduction of the slums and the conditions in which our sisters and brothers live there
    they have multiplied since then to disgusting levels is
    probably the gentlest censure one can make on both local and Central government authorities who have swallowed
    the billions voted in and used on their name..

    ISS

  148. 152. sjoseph | October 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 am

    # 141-navin
    give us something that we can agree to and we will strive to meet you at a midway point.

    ———–
    GOSL agreed to indo-Srilanka accord way back in 1980’s, but not interested to implent now.

    Is Indo-srilanka accord not midway point, compare to what the Tamils were demanding and fighting for a separate country on their own ?

    By not resolving the Tamils issue voluntarily on their own , it only proves GOSL need pressure either internal (rebels like LTTE) or external (International) to meet at midway point.

    ——————————————-

    sjoshep,

    Sinhalese and Tamils need to live with friendship. To live side by side is not a worthy goal.

    Today, we are unhappy with each other because each want things that the other guy doesn’t want to give. We both have tried to have it our way, sometimes with scant regard to other person and sometimes convinced that what we are asking for is justified and this has only landed us in greater misery.

    Hence, to me it makes no sense to continue doing this in different forms. So I believe the only option is to make the other side give what I want willingly. For that I need a strategy that would allow me to win the other side over and it cannot be something that may make him hate me even more.

    If I don’t like others doing something to me, chances are that others will also not like it if I were to do the same to them. So its not hard to decide what we should do and should not do, we if we want build good neighbor relations.

    I’m sorry if I’m babbling. But I think babbling is better than bickering.

  149. Comment 158,

    Countries like Canada and Australia need migrants to keep the population growth ticking along faster than the natural growth.

    Allowing refugees is part and parcel of the main plan, with the added advantage of showingr their compassionate attributes to the rest of the world.

    Quality migrants such as Doctors, Engineers and even skilled Hospitality staff are only available from bown skinned sources.

    These countries have long term plans in important areas like Migration .

    This ensure that any specific ethnic group does not grow above their target.

    So there is no necessity to entertain self rule of self governing regions based on ethnicity now or never .

    The brown skinned can call them Canadians or Australians. But among the white people they are still “guests”.. First question they ask is where are you from?.

    If the migrants or their off springs are smart enough and l better qualified than the mail stream whites, there is no problem with employment opportunities.

    Among the unskilled it is a different story.

    People who have been in the West for a couple of generations even do not feel part and parcel of the landscape unless you are in the top echelons.

    This is why there is a great influx of Srilankans back to the home country to enjoy retirement, which has sent the prices of the apartments or the condos as you may wish to say in to the Stratosphere..

  150. # 126 Rajasingham Narendran

    …………. How civilized was the US, when the Ku Klux Klan roamed the streets lynching the blacks?……………

    Did you had any clue about he convictions of KKK members between 1999 and 2007 for the murders committed in the 1960s when you made the comment. ?

    The reason you are being asked this is to highlight the relentless pursuit of the law on the part of the US justice system to punish the Klan members.

    These convictions stand in stark contrast to the pitiable state of the rule of law in Sri Lanka.

    If you were not aware of the convictions of the Klan members during the period cited above please be honest enough to admit it.

  151. #159 Meikandan
    “Hey, I heard they are planning to arrest University Students Union president Udhul Premaratna. He was someone I thought was fair and a good person. Even a good student is not spared. WHAT A SHAME”

    You just called Udul Premarathne a good student. LOL.. someone who had to drop out of university because repeat failures and now ruins the life of younger students is a GOOD STUDENT.. SHAME IS ON YOU MATE.. According to you anyone against the MR GOSL is a fair minded person, shows what type of of a biased bigot you are.. He will (if he is to be) arrested for instigating violence and damaging private property (the University Grants Commission).. There are no room for violent troublemakers in the New Sri Lanka..

    If all of your Elam friendly so-called fair minded people are being persecuted, how come people like Wikramabahu Karunarathne, Jehan Perera, Pakyasoothy Saravanmuttu, Upul Joseph Fernando et al. roam freely whilst still spewing their anti-SL vitriol? If one keeps his anti-national ravings at a mass communication level that is freedom of speech. But if you turn to or instigate violence, that is terrorism..There is a clear difference.

    “you keep calling the whites ‘white masters’. I figure that you still live in the pre-independence mind-set. I have shown you ample proof that if you are talented you can shoot to fame in these countries. If you want to live in denial and in the ‘propaganda’ regime of Mahinda, I have no qualms”

    The key word there was YOUR white masters. If you are happy living in Canada, go for it. You have sworn allegiance to Canada and her flag and have no right to interfere in another countries affairs. You can shoot to fame through hard work anywhere in the world. But in Canada apparently you can ‘shoot’ to fame via the VVT and Kannan gangs as well eh? So do keep entertaining us hawks with your ‘fairminded’ drivel of creating a mono-ethnic bantustan for Tamil in the Norh and East (and of course justifying the atrocities of your sun god and sole representatives)..Have a good one..

  152. Comment 159

    “I am talking about people who do not have a clue what is happening how people are enjoying their rights in other countries.”

    I am sorry,there are lots of people who know a lot of things that are happening and how people are enjoying their ” Rights” !!!!!

    I know people who have been bludgeoned to death in Western countries by civil vigilantes for breaking simple regulations like water restrictions, throwing rubbish in public places or even while driving on public roads.

    Talking about driving, it has become far too frequent for the migrant women getting abused, threatened and even assaults by the mainstream drivers for simple mistakes or sometimes at no mistake at all.

    Then there is racial abuse on daily basis in suburbs which the authorities try to brush aside as whinghing.

    And finally, break a proper law and see what happens, specially l if your are of South Asian, African or Middle Eastern Origin.

  153. # 161. Navin

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    Navin,

    I see some ballbering & philosophical thoughs, however it is better than bickering.

    Common people long for peace.

    Past 30 years, in srilanka conflict both parties were near equal in military might (when LTTE was present) and hence both parties unwilling to compromise.

    At this juncture, fortunately for srilanka, Tamils have been forced to abandon Eelam demand ( as LTTE is no more). Though we cant give credit to Tamils for this compromise ( since it is forced, not voluntary or mutual consent), the fact is that Tamils are already at the point of midway to the solution.

    Now the ball is in the court of GOSL and sinhalese majority. It is good to wrap up a solution making use of the subdued conditions of Tamils to resolve the issue.

    You have to only hope that SL Tamils would not betray (with Eelam demand in future) srilanka again, after the devolution of power.

    HOPE is life.

    My prediction is that there are still remanants of Eelam demand around . GOSL is only providing an oppurtunity for revival of the political Eelam movement by delaying a mutually acceptable poltical solution.

    How i wish the srilankan leaders workout a prgamatic & amicable solution acceptable to all concerned (Srilankans).

  154. I know people who have been bludgeoned to death in Western countries by civil vigilantes for breaking simple regulations like water restrictions, throwing rubbish in public places

    Link please.

    This is why there is a great influx of Srilankans back to the home country to enjoy retirement, which has sent the prices of the apartments or the condos as you may wish to say in to the Stratosphere..

    Evidence of the ‘great influx’. And Sri Lankan real estate prices are only marginally influenced by foreign purchases if at all. The main reason for the hike in prices is there’s money sloshing around, often not declared, and real estate is the vehicle of choice for investing it.

  155. Comment 164,
    Thanks for highlighting the Student agitations organised and executed by the bankrupt opposition through the despicable JVP .

    The Opposition has stooped to use the ignorant students to do their dirty work to hurt the Government, but the real losers are the students themselves .

    It is about time the Government got rid of this so called scum student leaders for the good of the country as well as the good of the vast majority of good students who are the future of the country.

    JVP the new “Human Rights” champions and the ally of all anti Government and anti Rajapaksa elements including the heavy weights in the West, are the culprits behind these student agitations.

    Unlike in the West , getting a place in a e Uni is a great achievement and a privilege for students in Srilanka.

    For most poor families sending a child to get a Uni education is a sea change.

    It is a despicable crime for these students to be conned and dragged into politics by the loser stooges of the Red Shirt brigade lead by Somawansa.and ably abetted by the UNP cohorts.

    The government must eradicate these rabble rousers with every available resource.

  156. Many comments to this article are very thought provoking.

    I salute Dr. RN for his bold stand for peace. He is a man of knowledge, wisdom and a vision.

    I have no hope of the Tamil politicle leaders at present. All of them are either former military men or thier allies. They are unable to bring forth reconcilliation.

    All Sri Lankans should thrive for equal oppertunity. The government should focus on devoloping all districts to the equal potential as western province.

    The needs of the provices like water sanitation, irrigation, housing, education, roads and public
    transport should be prioritised and developed immedialtely.

    We have enough resources and expertise it should be administered cleverly to bring about peace after the war.

    Focus on the future ,learn from the past mistakes , Don’t repeat them !

    DBSJ please don;t waste your time on TNA they are a hopeless bunch. Please interview people like Dr. Rajasingham narendran and Muralitharan.

  157. I was reading an article written by Sheik Muhammad Al-Ghazali , an Islamic scholar yesterday and came across the following words which are food for thought for Tamils in Sri Lanka:

    “People live in a dark cave whose walls are made of their own real or imaginary problems. It is sad to find intelligent minds unable to see further than the walls of such a cave and beating hearts feeling nothing other than the darkness of such a narrow cave”.

    ‘ When faith is not based on enlightened vision it is ineffective”.

    Nostradamus- I am glad the US justice system is hunting down the KKK. But this is rather belated and required stringent legislation following the civil rights movement, to bring about. What Sri Lanka needs following the demise of the LTTE and the end of the civil war, is a similar program to bring in legislative remedies with teeth, to tackle majority-minority problems. I hope the Mahinda Rajapakse will begin such a process soon, considering the constitution already enshrines the guiding principles.

    -Dr. Rajasingham Narendran-

  158. 157. Meikandan

    I did not say that rape was widespread under LTTE. But there were cases. In fact DBS documented one case here in this blog a case where a prominent LTTE woman was abducted and repeatedly raped by LTTE cadres and killed. Similarly while it happened, I don’t think rape was widespread in SLA units nor it was used as a war strategy by the government. Hillary Clinton who accused SLA of such conduct was later forced to admit that was not the case. However, as I said earlier, even one case is too many.

    You commented on the University Student Leader Premaratne. I don’t know this specific case, but I know a bit about University student politics. Since 70’s university student movements have been under the control of JVP. I want through the SL University system many years ago, those days we could not even start a film club without the approval of JVP and without them taking most of the elected positions in such clubs/organizations. Sports clubs were the only exception. There have been some student leaders at some universities who has been there for eight years, because they would not complete their academic exams and because JVP financially supports them. These people utterly control the student lives in the campuses and will resort to violence to get their way. They intimidate the Lecturers and there are cases I personally know where they stopped collaboration programs between SL universities and foreign organizations because those did not fit with overall JVP agenda for the universities. In two of those instances, the university Lecturers involved left the university and the country in disgust.

    JVP absolutely hates SL students who go out of the country to foreign universities because that gives some students other options and it diminishes their control. There was one instance where a prominent local student leader / JVP guy came on the local TV and said that most SL students in Australia finance their education by prostitution. They have vehemently opposed the establishment of private universities in SL not withstanding the fact that such a move would relieve the pressure on the local universities. JVP’s only sure-fire block constituency are the university students and they know that if they lose universities they have nothing. Voting patterns in the past two elections have shown them that clearly. In the meantime, once proud and world class institution that was University of Sri Lanka is now now nowhere near its old self. Look at the rankings for universities of SE Asia, they are nowhere in the top 100 list. One must admit that ti is not just the student movement’s fault, but they are part of the problem. So I would not put too much on any utterances of a university student leader on IDPs and missing Tamils. After all, JVP was the most hawkish on pressurizing Mahinda to go for the military solution. They are the people who were adamantly opposed to Sri Lanka – India accord and 13th amendment.

  159. # 170 Rajasingham Narendran

    I hope you will find the following as relevant to your comment.

    Acts after the Civil War

    The four Force Acts passed by the Congress of the United States shortly after the American Civil War helped protect the voting rights of African-Americans.

    The Force Acts were mainly aimed at limiting the activities of the Ku Klux Klan. Through the acts, actions committed with the intent to influence voters, prevent them from voting, or conspiring to deprive them of civil rights, including life, were made federal offenses. Thus the federal government had the power to prosecute the offenses, including calling federal juries to hear the cases.

    The KKK became powerful during early Reconstruction in the 1860s as hatred for African-Americans increased.

    The Klan was one of several secret vigilante organizations that tried to keep African Americans from using their civil rights and that targeted African American leaders for intimidation and murder.

    By 1868, the Klan became so powerful in the South that Congress passed laws to stop them.

    The Force Act of 1870 (41st Congress, Sess. 2, ch. 114, 16 Stat. 140, enacted May 31, 1870, effective 1871) was an act that restricted the first wave of the groups that make up the Ku Klux Klan. In this act, the government banned the use of terror, force or bribery to prevent people from voting because of their race. Other laws banned the KKK entirely. Hundreds of KKK members were arrested and tried as common criminals and terrorists. The first Klan was all but eradicated within a year of federal prosecution.

  160. ## 130. Meikandan  |  October 21st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Dear Meikadan,
    You need detail answere. Other wise ill mind would not be rational. I think D.B.S.J. would permitted me to do so,

    I am a normal buddhist person borned in up country. I am proud of it. Herewith I submit with 1815 Kandian convention . It proved that British were not defeeted up country. So the Brithsh are not our master. According to this agreement we expeled the ruling claim of DEMALA. Perhaps you maight be a jaffna born tamil. May be Vellala cast man as equal with DBSJ. Who are those people. There were the cooly that brought from douch period. The coolies always have states what they have. Unless you show that you participated the our freedum struggle that took place in 1818,1848, and so on I am not accept you as DAMILA but only DEMALA. You may know the differenees . DAMILA person are our partners and brothers but DEMALA are invaders our enimies. What ever the forms that they appearing we will fight against them. It is not my own thinking the book called RAJAAWALIA gave the definition.

    As far as concern about your werstern life I will reply later. Be good to study Kandian convention and be adjust with your self that why Buddhism and buddhist monks have taken the top place in in the country and Why DEMALA are treating as lower level.

    The Official Declaration of the Settlement of the Kandyan provinces expressly declared the principles of which the future government of the island under the British Crown would be based.
    It consisted 12 clauses,

    1. Sri Wickrema Rajasinha, the Malabari king to forfeit all claims to the throne of Kandy.
    2. The king is declared fallen and deposed and the hereditary claim of his dynasty, abolished and extinguished.
    3. All his male relatives are banished from the island.
    4. The dominion is vested in the sovereign of the British Empire, to be exercised through colonial governors, except in the case of the Adikarams, Disavas, Mohottalas, Korales, Vidanes and other subordinate officers reserving the rights, privileges and powers within their respective ranks.
    5. The religion of the Buddha is declared inviolable and its rights to be maintained and protected.
    6. All forms of physical torture and mutilations are abolished.
    7. The Governor alone can sentence a person to death and all capital publishments to take place in the presence of accredited agents of the government.
    8. All civil and criminal justice over Kandyan to be administered according to the established norms and customs of the country, the government reserving to itself the rights of interposition when and where necessary.
    9. Over non-Kandyans the position to remain according to British law.
    10. The proclamation annexing the Three and Four Korales and Sabaragamuwa is repealed.
    11. The dues and revenues to be collected for the King of England as well as for the maintenance of internal establishments in the island.
    12. The Governor alone would facilitate trade and commerce.”

    The Kandyan Convention was forthwith proclaimed with an eye to the public outside Kandy. The British government had to justify to the world that they had no intention for territorial aggrandizement in seizing a neighbouring kingdom.

    Signatories to the Treaty were Governor Brownrigg, Ehelepola and the Dissawas Molligoda, Pilimatalawe the elder, Pilimatalawa Junior, Monerawila, Molligoda the younger, Dullewe, Ratwatte, Millawa, Galgama and Galegoda. The signatures were witnessed by D’Oyly, now British resident in Kandy and Deputy Secretary James Sutherland.
    Two further conferences were held at the Audience Hall. One week later Governor Brownrigg received the Ven. Kobbekaduwa Mahanayaka Thera of Malwatte and the Ven. Yatawatte Mahanayaka Thera of Asgiriya. He gave them his personal assurance on behalf of the British Crown that the Sangha would be protected and the temples held sacred.

    The most important features of this Convention were:
    1 It was a Convention singed between two countries (parties)
    2 It was drawn and entered upon between Great Britain and Sinhale
    3 King Sri Wicrama Rajasingha and all his relatives and all their claims to the dominio of the Kandyan provinces (Sinhale) is abolished and extinguished. (Sec.2)
    4 The deposed King and all his relatives are declared enemies of the Kingdom (Sec.3)
    5 The Dominion of the Kandyan provinces is vested in the Sovereign of the British Empire to be exercised through the Governors or Lieutenant Governors and their Accredited Agents (Sec 4).
    6 The religion of Buddha is declared inviolable, and its rites, ministers (monks) and places of worship are to be maintained and protected. (Sec.5)

    samarasekara

  161. This is a true story i saw which gave me some comfort, because my best buddy of 13 years died 2 days ago after a prolonged illness. I fought hard but when god has decided, thats it. Fighting against his will is useless.The heartache is unbearable. Some might wonder what is the relevance. If you do some deep thinking……….

    Sorry folks for dragging you into my grief.

    “Why Dogs Don’t Live As Long

    Being a veterinarian, I had been called to examine a ten-year-old Irish Wolfhound named Belker. The dog’s owners, Ron, his wife, Lisa, and their little boy, Shane were all very attached to Belker and they were hoping for a miracle. I examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer. I told the family there were no miracles left for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their ome.

    As we made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told me they thought it would be good for the four-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt Shane could learn something from the experience.

    The next day, I felt the familiar catch in my throat as Belker’s family surrounded him. Shane seemed so calm, petting the old dog for the last time, that I wondered if he understood what was going on. Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away. The little boy seemed to accept Belker’s transition without any difficulty or confusion.

    We sat together for a while after Belker’s death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that animal lives are shorter than human lives. Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, “I know why.”

    Startled, we all turned to him.

    What came out of his mouth next stunned me. I’d never heard a more comforting explanation. He said, “Everybody is born so that they can learn how to live a good life — like loving everybody and beingnice, right?” The four-year-old continued, “Well, animals already know how to do that, so they don’t have to stay as long.”

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Oh Shankar! I am so sorry. I know how you must feel. I lost my six year old Rover when I was twenty. I had nurtured him from puppy stages. After Rover died I neve reared a dog again

  162. 170 Dr Narendran
    Thank you for your thoughts
    If one chick finds comfort in side the motherly egg shell some came out by breaking that dark cave and some find difficult to break that hard shell and asking mothers help and some waiting patiently until getting the external help hope is everyone’s life
    An eelam citizen

  163. Thanks DBSJ. Wise decision you made not getting another one. Everytime they die a part of you dies with them. No such luck for me because i have another 2 younger bitches. They are very attached to me and one of them follows me everywhere like my shadow. I fell in love with them and got them on impulse, and i woudn’t have dreamt of getting them after this painful experience.My best friend who is a sinhalese, just like you never reared a dog after his one died.

  164. #173 Samarasekara,

    Thank you for publishing the Kandyan convention. When the convention was signed, parts of the Kandyan provinces included most of the Wanni and Ampara districts as well as parts of the Trincomalee district..

    However I am shocked by your racist venom directed at Sri Wickrama Rajasinghe and the Tamil speaking people of Sinhaley..

    1. You’ve got things mixed up. The word ‘Damida’ (one who is devoid of the Dhamma) infact denotes not just those who are Tamil but those who are not Buddhist (i.e. Infidel, it was used to describe Portugese as well)..the word Demala (probably from Thamizha) is a recent addition to the Sinhala language, possibly less than two centuries old. Those of Tamil origin are referred to mainly as Solee (of Chola descent) in most ancient texts..

    2. The Kandyan chieftains were tricked by John Doyly into betraying the King and the people.
    Sri Wickrama Rajasinghe (A Tamil King of the Sinhalese Kingdom) led the repelling of two British invasions in 1803 and 1812. After the last successful defence of Kandy, SWR wanted to launch a campaign to recapture the coastal areas under the British. John Doyly (a predecessor to Lawrence of Arabia) used small personal misgivings the chieftains had against the King to make them betray the country. And the SInhala Chieftains refused to release their troops to march against the British in Colombo. After this SWR went downhill taking to alcohol and also sliding mentally (there is a school of thought his alochol was spiked) and the Chieftains connived with the British for the ultimate betrayal in 1815. The common people still stood with the King and some fought till the bitter end upto the time he was captured (Read Durand Appuhamy’s Kandyan’s last stand against the British)..

    This was the first time the British used the divide and rule policy to fragment the two linguistic groups inhabiting the Kingdom of Sinhaley… And the Kandyan chieftains, due to petty personal reasons, fell for it hook line and sinker. Not only did lose the chance of driving out the invader and reuniting the island but we lost our sovereignity. You (whom I presume descend from those chieftains) makes the same mistake by referring to the ‘Demala’ as low level people..You and Meikandan are just two sides of the same coin, with your ‘superior race’ mentality..

    ‘Najachcha vasalo hothi- Najachcha hothi Brahmano
    Kammana vasalo hothi- Kammana hothi Brahmano”

    No one can be called an untouchable or a Brahmin by birth. It is by word and deed one can be judged as an untouchable or Brahmin (The Lord Buddha)

  165. #174. Shankar,

    I am sorry for your loss..All things are impermanent, that is the way of the universe.. Take care and be strong..

  166. 170. Dr.Rajasingham narendran  |  ….rights movement, to bring about. What Sri Lanka needs following the demise of the LTTE and the end of the civil war, is a similar program to bring in legislative remedies with teeth, to tackle majority-minority problems.
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     Beg to differ. Constitutional reforms will do nothing when the leader is not committed to peace and reconciliation. Commitment is what is required. Const reforms can be an eye wash. Many things that happen in under developed countries like SL are against the law. Then why does it take place? Because country is governed by another dimension. This does not only apply to SL but also to other developed countries like UK, USA. Although constitution guarantees certain fundamental rights to the people, the people do not have the strength, FUNDS and lawyers to get the protection it offers. So what’s the point? According to wilkleaks, USA has turned a blind eye to it’s soldiers and Afghan soldiers killing civilians. Now this is against the US law but is anything constructive going to happen?

    You may believe in western style law but this favors only the rich and preveledged. Not the poor and under privileged. OJ Simpson’s case was a classic. The guy got the best legal team and he was acquitted. Then he has the gall to write a nook about how one could kill a wife. Finally his wife’s people spent thousands of dollars on a civil case which they won and he was to pay them damages when Simpson pleaded bankruptcy and avoided paying most of the damages!!

    I have watched much litigation in the west (I am not a lawyer). One case, farmers took on a western government over water rights as this government was hell bent in allocating water rights to commercial farms over the heads of the traditional irrigators who have taken water from the river for over 200 years. These irrigators held some prescriptive rights to take water. Irrigators raised some vey good fundamental right issues but the case was soon lost as they did not have the money, tenacity and understanding of the law to proceed till the end

    .I think the solution lies in how the Tamil leadership handles MR. If that can be done without confrontation, similar to what Thondaman has done, there will be a good resolution. Important thing in my perspective is the relationship management & goodwill. I do not believe MR is a racist but he is very weary of the Tamils. He cannot trust them and the more ripples they make, in SL or abroad, further away goes a peaceful settlement.

  167. i read most of the comments that have been made under this topic.as usual i am englightened after reading all these comments.particularly meikandan has put up a very robust defense for tamils.while what dr.narendrans views are very moderate and definitely his views are need of hour i doubt pragmatism will ever prevail in srilanka.let us take the arguement of dr.kaluwaratne he says since tamils migrated from india they should address their grievances to dr.manmohan singh if we tamils respond by saying sinhalese came from orissa why not they go back to jungles of mayurbanj,sundergarh what will be his reply.the geneis of problem in srilanka between tamils and sinhalese is who are the real sons of soil not even who came first whether tamils or sinhalese .unfortunately srilankans dont know that every where migration took place aryans are supposed to have come from central asia,whites have migrated from europe to america,canada,new zealand and australia,hispanics have migrated from spain to latin america.this is the reality.but to squabble about it in the present era is a futile exercise.nothing can come out of the arguement hence it is better srilankans dont argue about the origin of either community.it is better sinhalese look at how indians are handling kashmir issue so that they can also learn to handle the issue of tamils post nandhikadal.i am an indian i am quite objective kashmir has been burning for last twenty years indians government has done lot of good things,done bad things also by letting human rights violation take place and letting the army scot free for violation of human rights.srilanka appears to be in the same position as india is it needs to handle tamil issue sensitively india has given maximum autonomy to kashmir it is governed by article 370 of the constitution even though i am an indian i cant go and buy a house there so the kashmiri culture is protected to an extent.it has got a muslim chief minister and a hindu deputy chief minister despite the fact that hindu population is equal in number .likewise srilanka has to integrate north and east make it difficult for others to settle down in north east preserve the tamil culture,have a two deputy chief ministers representing sinhalese and muslim community this will be construed by the global community as a mature response of sinhalese community post nandhikadal rather than displaying tribal triumphalism which will only alienate the minorities further.lastly my response to navin’s query whether meikandan is related to mahesh i would say i am also related to meikandan becoz he represents tamil community i also belong to that community.

  168. Mr.Samarasekera,

    Did you notice that Ratwatte Dissawe, an ancestor of Mrs. Sirimavo Ratwatte Bandaranaike, signed the ‘Kandyan Convention’ in Tamil? Do you know that a Tissaverasingham Mudaliyar led a convoy of bullock carts with food supplies for the people of Kandy from Jaffna? The Kandyan Kingdom was under the blockade of the British!

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  169. 174. Shankar

    I feel sorry for your loss. i too reared one dog and was very much attached to it. I don’t rear another one after it died.

    I have seen people living in deep rural surrounded with forest areas rearing dogs.

    The way these dogs behave make you think that they have some higher power of intelligence. It is hard to say that they are lacking the sixth sense.

    Once I went to a friends home located amidst deep forest. I lived with him for a couple of days.

    The area is surrounded with thick forest and this is a village situated amidst the thick jungle.

    My friend said that bisons do frequent those places. Not exactly the village they stray nearby the village.

    These people raise dogs as a means of necessity.

    In the mornings these dogs protect the owners house and in the night the owners protect the dogs by letting them inside their house.

    Because some big cats like panther live in those areas.

    These dogs are their fav meals.

    The dog called tiger used to go before his master and seemed to know which way the owner goes and goes before him.

    The day I went to their house it slept on its own in a neighbour’s house.

    I asked him why did you send it away. The friend said that the dog on its own sensed that their is no place in the house and again I am a guest and a new comer to the place and therefore it went on its own to a neighbours place.

    He also reared a squirrel and it was playing all over me in the night. That was a good experience.

    Some six months after I came I enquired about the dog only to be said that it died due to some natural reasons. I felt sorry for that wonderful, beautiful and an intelligent creature.

    Then my friend said that he had adopted another dog and this dog was even more intelligent than the previous one.

    We have to learn a lot from them.

  170. #180 Jagan Sriram,

    Jammu and Kashmir make up only 7% of India’s land mass and 0% of its coast. North and East makes up 33% of Sri Lanka’s land mass and 50%+ of it’s coast. Whilst whinging about tribal triamphulism of the South, you do not see any tribalism in giving 1/3 of the land and half of the coast as an exclusive homeland to a group that makes around 6% of the population..

    It’s a conundrum as to who came first. But the Sinhalese built a unique civilization all over the island (including North and East), which spans more than two and a half millennia.. So Sinhalese have EQUAL RIGHTS to live and work on any part of the island, and this will not be subverted by any discriminatory laws. There will be NO mono-ethnic bantustans to caress the racial ego of a few individuals..

  171. # 179 Don

    OJ Simpson is relishing the hospitality of his mother-in-law’s house now. Free food and accommodation.

  172. Mr Sriram, first of all the Kahsmerian State minister is a puppet of Dr Singh and Sonia even according to his own admission. As a fact any solution to Tamil terrorism has to be a home grown one.

    The problem the president having at the moment is that Tamil parties don’t have any common conciousness among them. President is willing to elect two prime ministers for each district, and educate them about democracy and co existence unfortunately it will take time.

    As a matter of argument sake I want ask you one thing if Tamils going to work as labourers in Qatar, Dubai or Saudi Arabia and can they demand a separate state or do you think is it viable? open your mind man.

    As a Buddhism practising country we sinhalese are showing enough compassion passion towards other migrants.

    I don’t know whether you read Mahintha chinthanaya or not, but the president is trying his best to implement everything in his vision.

    Rather preaching us what we need to do, you concentrate on your own problems.

  173. # 186 Kaluwitharana

    ………………….President is willing to elect two prime ministers for each district, and educate them about democracy and co existence unfortunately it will take time………………………….

    Just wondering how many prime ministers the President has in his mind for Sri Lanka !

    ………..The problem the president having at the moment is that Tamil parties don’t have any common conciousness among them…………………………………..

    I think what you tried to say was Tamil parties don’t have consensus among them. Please correct me if i am
    wrong !

  174. 186. Dr Kaluwitharana

    As a matter of argument sake I want ask you one thing if Tamils going to work as labourers in Qatar, Dubai or Saudi Arabia and can they demand a separate state or do you think is it viable? open your mind man.

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    Do you mean that the tamils living in sri lanka are migrants and not of sri lankan origin.

    Do you mean all the tamils are like that.

    Please, please please clarify on this Sir.

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    Rather preaching us what we need to do, you concentrate on your own problems.

    =======================

    We may have our own problems but that does not mean that we should not be concerned with your problems. We were concerned with the Bangladesh. We have also sent peace keeping forces under UN mandate.

    The world was concerned with the Kosovo problem.

    You are driving out people from your land and they go as refugees to western countries. They also ask you to sort out the problems.

    Tell me is there no blame to be attached in you.

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    The problem the president having at the moment is that Tamil parties don’t have any common conciousness among them

    ————————————

    Keep telling it Sir. Keep telling it till the IC is convinced that you people will not dish out any political solution to the problem.

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    184. Diyasena

    It’s a conundrum as to who came first. But the Sinhalese built a unique civilization all over the island (including North and East), which spans more than two and a half millennia..

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    Didn;t Tamils build any civilization in your country. They have also built temples in many parts of the island.

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    Jagan Sriram

    particularly meikandan has put up a very robust defense for tamils.

    ————————

    We need him more in this blog. Those were the words coming out from a person who had suffered and who has felt the discrimination of the hands of the dominant community.

    I wish that meikandan visit this blog more frequently and post his views. I like him.

  175. Thank you, diyasena , those words of lord bhuddha, i believe, are very comforting and true. We have to be a realist and move on, but it is impossible to stop remembering the happy moments spent together.

    Thank you ranjan for your kind words.Everyone who has had a pet has to go through this i suppose.It is a double edged sword. You get a lot of happiness, affection but devastation when they go.

    Thank you mahesh. You are right. Animals do have a higher sixth sense than us. My dog would warn me of danger. He hates to be inside the house , but for the first time the evening before he died he went into all the rooms and bid goodbye to the family. In the night, for the first time i saw him out of his kennel, lying down with his head on a stone just gazing at the garden he loved so much. Then he came and slept the night with me in my room .

  176. 188. Nostradamus,

    “Didn;t Tamils build any civilization in your country. They have also built temples in many parts of the island.”

    Care to name a few?

  177. # 188. Nostradamus
    Do you mean that the tamils living in sri lanka are migrants and not of sri lankan origin.

    Do you mean all the tamils are like that.

    Please, please please clarify on this Sir.

    ——–
    Pathetic questions, my friend.

    Do you suggest srilankan origin Tamils (???) are any different from migrant Tamil citizens ..

  178. Dear Don,

    Thanks for your thoughts. One thing we have and had in plenty as Tamils, are lawyer-politicians. This has been our curse. They were good at only making fine arguments and eloquent speeches in parliament and other fora. At least they can be kept productively employed, if we have civic rights legislation in place!

    More seriously, we need a two pronged approach:

    1. As you have said, work with the Rajapakse government (like Thondaman Snr did with several governments), to solve the day to day problems of the Tamils and develop the north and east. This will be based on generating good will and easing lingering suspicions. We should also stop looking up to India to solve our problems. This is a red flag to the Sinhala bull, in terms of historical perceptions and expereinces during the reign of Indira Gandhi. We have to fight our battles as Sri Lankans within Sri Lanka.

    2. Work towards enshrining civic and equal rights legislation in our laws. This is in the long term interest of all people including the Tamils in Sri Lanka. It is better to litigate than fight our battles with guns. Further, what is due to us as a people, should not depend in the long term on the goodwill of an individual or a party in power.

    I am also convinced that Mahinda Rajapakse is not anti-Tamil. He is a Sri Lankan nationalist who happens to be a Sinhala- Buddhist. His electoral base is among the Sinhalese and he will not also do anything that will alienate this base. He is trying very hard to navigate very treacherous waters now, while being as fair to the Tamils as possible. He will definitely not devolve power in any meaningful way to the provinces. These are facts and realities we have to confront and work with.

    We Tamils as a people, have to first and foremost push the best we have to come forward to lead us in Sri Lanka. What we have at present is mostly ‘Crap’ . I am ashamed that we have accepted some of those who are trying to represent us at present, as our leaders, without any resistance. Some of us are trying to use these despicable men, to achieve our objectives- mostly selfish. Good cannot come out of evil, unless we react against the latter ! We have to resist the attempts by the government to foist such men and women as our leaders. The government has its reasons for this, especially in the post-war scenario. But we as a people have the right to vocalize our displeasure. I will not appoint some of these characters as even tea boys in my office! I probably will not trust some of these characters to be even near me!

    There are plenty of qualified and decent people in the north and east with leadership potential, but they being swamped by the activities of the mediocre, cunning and the despicable, who are sheltered and protected by the government.

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  179. Dr.Rajasingham narendran
    We have to resist the attempts by the government to foist such men and women as our leaders. The government has its reasons for this, especially in the post-war scenario. But we as a people have the right to vocalize our displeasure

    ——-
    Dr. rajasingham,

    Its good you have given a soilid message. Hope you will lead from the front in opposing the moves of GOSL..

    You may appreciate the fact that SL Tamil leaders are weary, weak, old and tired.

  180. # 188. Nostradamus

    Thank you for correcting my spelling mistake, my friend I read your threatening post talking about Bangladesh, kosovo and ect but I want to tell you something any foreign invasion of this country or interference with it’s sovereignty will be thought a tough lesson.

    sri lanka is not run by a pack of jokers like the ones you have in Tamilnadu, name a few who have any form of education to be a politician or a leader.

    Do you know how many people in india are dying of malaria every year? in case if you don’t know the figures. I will tell you my friend it is shocking 200000 according to recent survey. Do you know how many people don’t have any form of basic sanitary facilities?

    Again I recommend you to concentrate on your own issues and short comings.

  181. #192 Dr . Narendran
    “Work towards enshrining civic and equal rights legislation in our laws”

    1. Could you please enlighten us whether ‘the right to live and work on any part of the island’, without hindrance by laws that discriminate against race, religion or creed should or should not be part of such a bill of rights??

    2. The present provinces are a product of the British colonialism whose main aim was weakening the resistance of the Kandyans. The demand of devolution to large units which have the potential to secede using the recognition of their autonomy as a pretext, is a valid suspicion the Sinhala polity has. If the aim of those demanding federalism is really grass roots empowerment and not the creation of ethnic bantustans, there shouldn’t be any resistance to the district being the unit of devolution. In fact devolving to the district empowers more local people (why would the people of Ampara want to be ruled by the provincial administration in Trincomalee?).. If the unit of decentralization is the district there will be virtually no resistance from the Sinhalese..

    Thus a bill of rights stating equal RIGHTS and equal RESPONSIBILITIES and devolution/ decentralization at DISTRICT level are both achievable and sustainable solutions.

  182. 190. Diyasena

    Care to name a few?

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    You want me to name them. Don’t you know them? Don’t you know your own history? I was thinking I am talking with some person who knows something about everything. Particularly something about history.

    I cannot teach anybody in this blog. You refer your school text books and then come back.

    Do not waste other people’s time.

  183. 196. Nostradamus

    yes. 188 was my post.

    194. Dr Kaluwitharana

    There might be thousands of problems for us. But we cannot remain mute spectators to the happenings in the neighborhood.

  184. #198

    What are you going to do, are you going to complain to Veiko and Nedumaran?

    I don’t. Know whether you aware it or not, india is almost surrounded by the chinese, people in the boarder villages are moving towards the prosperous chinese teri tory. Soon the chinese railway is going to expand to Bangladesh, better start learning chinese.

  185. Dr. Kaluwitharna,(Post 25/10)

    I have read the above and some of your other comments here and elsewhere. I appreciate you feel strongly for the Sinhala people and that should be so. You repeat that semi-literate General and call leaders across the Straits as “a pack of jokers” Hardly the culture of a man of learning. You question their education. I wonder if you know of the political leadership of Tamilnadu at all. Are you aware Shri M. Karunanidhi (no favouite political leader of mine)
    is one of the most talented writers in India.Tthe script he wrote for a movie(around 1954) changed the political history of the State and brought forth one of the most sought after actors in the history of Indian cinema. Tell me a few names of these “:jokers” and I will tell you what their
    educational backgrounds are. Have you heard of a learned lawyer, former MP and senior diplomat named Mangala Moonesinghe – a decent Sinhalese from a distinguished family. He lived in Madras/Chennai for many months and will know the historyof the State and its leaders. If you care to reach Mangala do so either via Marga, ICES and CPA.

    I am afraid it is irresponsible and dangerous people like you that this country has to be saved from. In these pages, we also read an established man of learning, formerly a high official of the Central Bank and later to serve as a National List MP of the PA in Parliament. He sees a future where this country stands to gain if we integrate ourselves to that of the fastly developing State of Tamilnadu. I have a long history in business and I held high office in Trade Chambers for decades. I also served the State in senior positions and agree very much with that Economist-Scholar. With my good friend Mangala too. As to your own learning, you have far to go in your own English prose, spelling, writing.

    If you think the Malaria figures of India are an indicator to the country’s strength and wealth, my man, you need to go to school again. India has many drawbacks and contradictions but it is now an agricultural and industrial giant with the largest pool contributing to the world’s
    knowledge industry. China is the world’s 2nd largest economy but their health figures too are just as bad.
    One can only hope the Doctorate you claim is different to that one sometimes referred to as vermin. Remember, the general withdrew his callous and shallow comments about ” Tamilnnadu jokers” later as he did many of his other foolish utterings.

    ISS

  186. #200

    I am not too much worried about my english proficiency after all it is a tool for communication, I am only trying to bring the truth and facts to the wider audience. Truths may hurt some time but unfortunately you have to live with it.

    You mentioned the guy wrote some books, LTTE too produced it’s own books and publication even their own medics does it mean that they are qualified people?

    My friend qualifications have to come from an appointed body not from an unknown source.

    I respect your business mind and your qualifications but we don’t want to or have to do any business with those pack of jokers.

  187. #197. Mahesh
    “You want me to name them. Don’t you know them? Don’t you know your own history? I was thinking I am talking with some person who knows something about everything. Particularly something about history.
    I cannot teach anybody in this blog. You refer your school text books and then come back.
    Do not waste other people’s time”

    Duh, mine was a rhetorical question and your answer proves what I was trying to say. If you make broad statements like in your post (#188), you have to have the decency to back it up with facts instead of getting all defensive when challenged.

    The oldest Hindu temple in SL is in Polnnaruwa dating back to the early 11th century AD. The oldest stone Tamil inscriptions make appearance in the 11th century too (Polonnaruwan and Ganthalawa/ Kanthalai).

    It’s interesting to note that the oldest Tamil inscription in Jaffna is made by a Sinhala King (12th century AD, Parakramabahu I in Nagadeepa/ Nainatheevu), citing trade regulations to traders from South India..The oldest Hindu Temple in Jaffna was also built by a Sinhala prince (15th century AD, Prince Sapumal later Buvanekabahu VI in Nalluruva/ Nallur)..

    So much for separate civilization all over the island eh? The same lie told a hundred times does NOT make it the the truth..

  188. Dear bloggers:- I have been following wilkileaks which shows the war crimes committed by US and UK in Iraq and Afghanistan. I always said there are no rules for engagement but when SLA was accused of war crimes, there were many who said in UK and USA these people will be brought to justice. Nothing wrong with these people’s noble thoughts but war, whether internal or external releases the dogs of murder and hall mark of that is brutal killings.

  189. 201. Dr Kaluwitharana

    Your educational qualifications as a doctor ( medical or any other profession) is stinking in this blog.

    Which appointed body gave you this honour?

  190. #175-Diyasena

    I think you are coming closer and closer to the ideal solution, but a cost/benefit analysis may have to be done by proffessional finance people, because having so many provincial councils can be costly. If the cost /benefit analysis shows tthat the costs exceed the potential benefits, then amagamating 2 districts and and doing another cost/benefit analysis might be worthwile.

  191. I forgot to mention Dr. narendran. He and diyasena combined are i feel moving towards the ideal solution. Both their suggestions are like bread and butter, bread being devolution and butter being the bill of rights.

  192. ## 181. Dr.Rajasingham narendran  |  October 24th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Mr.Samarasekera,Did you notice that Ratwatte Dissawe, an ancestor of Mrs. Sirimavo Ratwatte Bandaranaike, signed the ‘Kandyan Convention’ in Tamil?
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    Yes sir,
    I know that and I must say there is nothing wronge with that too.

    The wronge was he purposly gave wronged and fabricated evidences against the freedum fighters into the trial that took place after in 1848 freedum fight which formulated by the british.

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    Do you know that a Tissaverasingham Mudaliyar led a convoy of bullock carts with food supplies for the people of Kandy from Jaffna? The Kandyan Kingdom was under the blockade of the British!
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    It is new openion to me .Please be good to reveil ralavent litriture. I am always willing to learn.

    samarasekara.

  193. 203. Don
    I also have been following the wikileaks story with interest. It shows the utterly hypocritical stance of the Western countries. It has nothing to do with human rights, but it is all about punishing s small country because that country elected to stand on its own.

    Will the INGO industry that is hell bent on getting Sri Lanka demand independent commissions to investigate the conduct of the so called democracies? Don’t hold your breath.

  194. 199. Dr Kaluwitharana

    What are you going to do, are you going to complain to Veiko and Nedumaran?

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    Vaiko and Nedumaran may be the jokers that you referred previously. but certainly they are not like your politicians who thrived on the racial card.

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    I don’t. Know whether you aware it or not, india is almost surrounded by the chinese, people in the boarder villages are moving towards the prosperous chinese teri tory. Soon the chinese railway is going to expand to Bangladesh, better start learning chinese.

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    You people are giving too much weight to the Chinese in your country.

    Pakistan also thought like that but it could not avoid Bangladesh. It could not wriggle out of it. They also did grave injustices to the Bengalis. They killed them in tens of thousands and did all sorts of human rights abuses.

    They thought that India will not do any thing as they have a powerful friend in the name of China.

    Yet China would not even lift its little finger against India.

    Bangladesh would become a reality.

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    202. Diyasena

    Please read this link and post your comments on this.

    http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/3/26229_space.html

  195. # 194 Kaluwitharana

    …………..any foreign invasion of this country or interference with it’s sovereignty will be thought a tough lesson………..

    The alma mater that awarded the doctor’s degree to you, obviously, has not taught you to distinguish between ” taught ” and ” thought “. I have reason to believe you did not even complete high school education.

  196. Comment 200,

    According to the above comment Tamil Nadu is developing fast. As Srilankans we are happy and hope this development will bring economic benefits to the long suffering poor there.

    Srilankans have been good to Tamil Nadu people specially the poor.

    A lot of people still remember how Srilanka accepted,housed and gave citizenship to hundreds of thousands poor Tamil Naduans who came as desperateeconomic refugees to avoid starvation in the 60s..

    In contrast even a few hundred people who risk their lives to look for greener pastures are captured and kept in detention for extended periods in Austral Asia and in Europe.

    They are branded as illegal immigrants,

    Most of these people are deported if they can not spin a good tale to hood wink the authorities.

    However recent actions in Tamil Nadu politicians did not reflect the good nature hospitality that the Srilankans extended to them in the bygone era.

    The Politicians on both sides in TamilNnadu encourage separatism either overtly or covertly.

    The only hindrance for these politicians is the strong leadership of the current Indian PM.

    Srilankans can not depend on Dr Singh and his regime as an insurance against the Tamil Nadu politicians for ever.

    Thnmgs can change with in a span of one term of government at the center.

    Going by the recent history of the Russian federation, India is the only remaining country that is similar in size and diversity of different ethnic groups.

    The West who openly aided and abetted the dismantling of the Russian as well as the Yugoslav Federations will do the same in India if and when the opportunity arises

    .It is a matter of time.

    Therefore integrating with a population of one hundred million and becoming an instant minority does not make sense.

  197. #201 – Where are the names of “the Tamilnadu jokers”? It is not books that Karunanidhi wrote, friend. It was an epoch-making movie called “Parasakthi” that produced the giant movie Star
    Sivaji Ganesan – the latter with many friends among the Sinhalese including the late Gamani and Malani Fonseka.The movie was watched and studied carefully by men of the arts like Lester James Peiris, Tissa ..Abyesekera, Reggie Siriwardena, Ediriweera Saratchandra et al whose acknowledged the depth and social content of the plot. Like many in this blog you leave serious doubts about your Doctorate.
    As to the educational standards of Tamilnadu, may I ask you if you have heard of globally respected Indians – Dr. Abdul Kalam and Dr, Man Mohan Singh – both out of Colleges from the State where the jokers you refer to come from. I am afraid unless you identify yourself more fully and establish your area of claimed expertise one has to assume you are nothing but a degenerative fraud out to cause trouble, wittingly or otherwise, for for the people of this country by your reckless action..

    ISS

  198. # 215. Don

    Iam not against any individual person.

    After reading his nasty comments, i questioned the educational qualification of Dr Kaluwitharana.

  199. 207. shankar:

    I’m sorry about your loss. I hope you have now come to accept it. Acceptance is the fifth stage of grief they say.

    I also feel that this country does not need so many provincial councils. More so than expenses, we can certainly do with fewer politicians. West, South, Central, North-Central, North, East would be enough.

    However, I understand that the Tamil people yearn for a joint North East province. Given the distribution of their population this is justified. Another source of this aspiration is the Jaffna/Arya Chackrawarthi rule. However, if we try to amalgamate North and East going by the current provincial boundaries that will create unrest among the Sinhalese who will point out that these boundaries do not reflect the borders of Arya Chackrawarthi’s writ. They will also cite that North and East combined puts a disproportionate share of land mass and coast line under Tamils. I know that you and others are well aware of these arguments but I’m just listing them here.
    I think people should stop exploring whether these positions are right or wrong at this point.

    I believe the demand for devolution of power is only one of the aspiration of the Tamil people. They also wish that historic Jaffna rule be carried over to the constitution in some form. That is why I would like to explore how we may amalgamate the North and East. I wonder whether it would be acceptable to Tamil people to let go of some of the land that comes under current North and Eastern provinces for the North Central province so that the land mass that comes under a future combined North East province is less than what is at present.

    I think we should make progress on things that we can agree on even if there are things that we cannot agree on. Most of the time what happens is we agree on all but one or two things and because of those things on which there is no agreement the whole process gets stuck. This I believe has happened many times in the past.

  200. 17 & 18 Don

    You a sinhalese racist and facist. You say tamils are greedy. You sinhalese who are unable to tolerate the well being and economic prosperity of the tamils started the trouble in the nation. Tamils who were proud of their sri lankan identity started losing faith in their sri lankan identity in 70’s due to your attrocities.

    If the world tamil conference is held in Jaffna you are unable to tolerate. If tamils had built an excellent library of world class you are unable to digest it. For greediness, the best example is Dutte Gaimunu. It continues up to Banadara Nayakas, Dissa Nayakas, Jeyawardanes, Premadasas MR, GR, BR and up to Don.

    Soniya is not going to be forever. Rahul Gandhi is not going to be forever. India is going to be forever and 10 Crore tamils are going to be forever.

  201. 177. Diyasena | October 24th, 2010 at 3:36 am

    You (whom I presume descend from those chieftains) makes the same mistake by referring to the ‘Demala’ as low level people..You and Meikandan are just two sides of the same coin, with your ’superior race’ mentality..
    ———————————————————————————

    I am affraid it is too early to that you equllised me with Meikandan and branded me as superior race mentality. Here is my story be good to take little time to read iand get your conclussion.

    Due to not obeying to the british, in year 1819 my great great grand farther had abonded their wealth into BOGAMBARA WEWA ( now it is call Bogambara ground) ran to Uva province where his relatives were lived. Do you think they saffed and lived in happily?

    You may aware that how there were massecured by brithsh.Brithsh destroyed evey thingsthrough the gun point. Did not let liveing men Even even male kids. They allowed only weman be exist. That’s how Uva people become lethagic.

    Next folowed the famous land accequation called LANKA MANUMA. So they lost their land subsequently thats lands convert as coffee estates and later on tea estates. The real owners escatted at rhe age of estates which filled with tamills who brought from India. These people got dailly wages, houses and medical facilities and so on while the real owners stawing.

    In my grand father’s period the situation got into the worst. They were in deep bottom of powerty and ill litirate. No road at all no medical facilities but the british and as well as the tamils in the near by estate enjoyed it. To prevent from stavation they had to sell or morgage their least peace of land for bussel of KURAHAN.

    In my father;s time the situation is not change all gorvenements purposesly negleted Uva people.They became poorest in poor. The people in the province acll as BY MINISSU. The province is famous for supplying domestic house servents for the richers. Thats how BANDA and MANIKE became house mads for least salary.

    In 1950 decate market oriented cabbege cultivation introduced Uva latter cultivation of Potetto followed. That’s how they began to earn money.

    In 1956 then the education minister P.B.G. KALLLUGALLA innograted MAHA VIDIYALAYA system through out the is land. That ‘s how a man like my self could learn. We had no such facilities as DBSJ had in JAFFNA.
    In the blog Mr BRADMON WEERAKOON expressed this good memories in GURUTHALAWA school. Though we are near by we had no such facilities. We are not allowed even to go to the gate of those places.

    In the politicle paradum too Uva people have no a place. You could visuallised through by their names. There is only a one man called son of LOKU BANDARA.

    Reacently in order to up grade of tamilpopulation Mr MANO GANATION wants to merge Baddulla district and Nuwara eliya.So what will be th ultimatiom if there is a leader as RANIL WICKRAMASINGHE.

    Reasently the poloice rounded up deputy of Mano ganasion for hiding arms and suside bomb kits. Is it aimed to north or East vicktimis. Is this ammunities are aim to treat us as cakes.

    My step father was killed in KATHARAGAMA bomb blast and brother was loosed one of his eye.

    Even if you hurry to brand me as superier minded race mentallity I would rather to re name it as scilence weeping of UVA people.

    samarasekara.

  202. 177. Diyasena | October 24th, 2010 at 3:36 am

    You (whom I presume descend from those chieftains) makes the same mistake by referring to the ‘Demala’ as low level people..You and Meikandan are just two sides of the same coin, with your ’superior race’ mentality..
    ———————————————————————————

    I am affraid it is too early to that you equllised me with Meikandan and branded me as superior race mentality. Here is my story be good to take little time to read iand get your conclussion.

    Due to not obeying to the british, in year 1819 my great great grand farther had abonded their wealth into BOGAMBARA WEWA ( now it is call Bogambara ground) ran to Uva province where his relatives were lived. Do you think they saffed and lived in happily?

    You may aware that how there were massecured by brithsh.Brithsh destroyed evey thingsthrough the gun point. Did not let liveing men Even even male kids. They allowed only weman be exist. That’s how Uva people become lethagic.

    Next folowed the famous land accequation called LANKA MANUMA. So they lost their land subsequently these lands convert into coffee estates and later on tea estates. The real owners escatted at rhe age of estates which filled with tamills who brought from India. These people got dailly wages, houses and medical facilities and so on while the real owners stawing.

    In my grand father’s period the situation got into the worst. They were in deep bottom of powerty and ill litirate. No road at all no medical facilities but the british and as well as the tamils in the near by estate enjoyed it. To prevent from stavation they had to sell or morgage their least peace of land for bussel of KURAHAN.

    In my father;s time the situation is not change all gorvenements purposesly negleted Uva people.They became poorest in poor. The people in the province call as BY MINISSU. The province is famous for supplying domestic house servents for the richers. That’s how BANDA and MANIKE became house mads for a least salary. They became slaves in their own country.

    In 1950 decate market oriented cabbege cultivation introduced to Uva latter cultivation of Potetto followed. That’s how they began to earn money.

    In 1956 then education minister Mr, P.B.G. KALLLUGALLA innograted MAHA VIDIYALAYA system through out the is land. That ‘s how a man like my self could learn. We had no such facilities as DBSJ had in JAFFNA.

    In the blog Mr BRADMON WEERAKOON expressed his good memories in GURUTHALAWA school. Though we are near by we had no such facilities. We are not allowed even to go to the gate of those places.

    In the politicle paradum too Uva people have no a place. You could visuallised through by their names. There is only a one man can claim as Uva man . He is son of LOKU BANDARA.

    Reacently in order to up grade of tamil population Mr MANO GANATION wants to merge Baddulla district and Nuwara eliya.So what will be th ultimatiom if there is a leader as RANIL WICKRAMASINGHE would assume the power.

    The day befot yesterday poloice rounded up the deputy of Mano ganasion for hiding arms and suside bomb kits. Is it aimed to safe guard north or East vicktimis. Is this ammunities are aim to treat us as cakes.

    My step father was killed in KATHARAGAMA bomb blast and brother was loosed one of his eye.

    Even if you hurry to brand me as superier minded race mentallity I would rather to re name it as scilence weeping of UVA people.

    samarasekara.

  203. My comment 206 should have referred to diyasena’s comment 195 and not 175. i’am still a bit wooly up there it seems.

    thanks navin, but no iam not at the acceptance stage. I’am at the guilt stage tormented whether i could have saved him.

    What you say about amalgamation of north east with some loss of territory to the north central province as you suggested should be okay for the majority of tamils.

  204. Dear Mr.Diyasena (#195),

    Thanks for participating in this forum to debate and seek a solution to the most critical issue that confronts Sri Lanka at the moment. The other participants too have contributed to this exercise in democracy and said what they have to say.

    To answer your questions:

    1.’The right to live, work and prosper in any part of the island should be the right of every Sri Lankan, irrespective of his/ her identity, language, religion or place of original habitation. To live would mean the right to safety of person and property, practice their religions without let or hindrance, study in their language, live their culture and be entitled to their place in society based exclusively on their ability and merit.

    The state should guarantee this right and provide the mechanisms necessary to protect and defend it. This should be in the bill of rights. Please note that I have not used the word ‘ race’. I do not think that the Sinhalese and Tamils are different races. Most Muslims are also not racially different. We are basically one people, speaking different, though related languages and on the whole practicing two religions-Buddhism and Hinduism, which once again share many common elements.

    2. I have to answer, at the risk of inviting much ire, that the country is not ripe/ mature yet for any type of devolution exercise, that will stand the test of time (The lame duck provincial councils we have at present are a cosmetic exercise) . The devolution exercise cannot be forced in the direction of any meaningful outcome, in the prevailing political climate. The clarity of vision and far sightedness required to make the devolution exercise meaningful is absent at present and would remain so for decades to come.

    Administrative decentralization is the answer, with some mechanism to permit the elected representatives to parliament, participate in the affairs of their respective provinces. One of these members of parliament could be even appointed a cabinet minister responsible for the province. We may have only nine extra ministers and the provincial MPs grouping should replace the present provincial councils. This new body presided our my the provincial minister, would function as an arm of the national legislature and the executive, and provide greater focus for the needs of the provinces. These new bodies should have an advisory role in matters pertaining to their respective provinces. The central government bureaucracy in the provinces, headed by the government agent, would continue to be the administrative mechanism.

    With point #2, I may be turning the entire debate on devolution on its head. However, what I have seen over several decades points that something on the lines I am suggesting, may take the sting out of the debate on devolution, allay suspicions and accommodate Tamil demands for greater participation in managing their affairs.

    -Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  205. Dear Yogesh, I have lived with Jaffna Tamils, Batti Tamils, Trinco Tamils, Colombo Tamils and estate Tamils. I have also lived among other races of SL. Among these groups, Tamils who have the most are the Jaffna crowd. They can also be very orthodox. I don’t have a problem with all this. I have many close friends among them. However they are the people who always say, they are disadvantaged. They want more. If you look back say from 1950 onto the history of SL and Tamil demands, you will soon find out yourself. Most of the shouting has been done by elitist high caste Tamils. Among Tamils, the estate Tamils are the poorest. But they are humble but their leader has procured their rights in the most peaceful way.

    About 65% of Tamils live outside their traditional home lands. Because this is what they choose and they do live in relative harmony and most of these people are highly respected by the Singhalese and other races. Have you ever wondered how come?

    I have been to the Jaffna Library before it was burnt, bathed in keerimale waters, drank toddy under the Palmira tree, eaten kothtu roti in the town, had pol arrack at the KKS rest house and travelled the length and breadth of that place probably much more than you. May be in the future you may see me there whether the Tamil conference is held there or not!

    Nevertheless, I tell my mind and if you don’t like that, I am sorry, bad luck

  206. #214 ISS,

    Don’t get all worked up. Dr. (?) Kaluwitharana (and Fonseka) was referring to the likes of Vaiko, Nedumoron and Seeman..

  207. and navin tamils are willing to go the extra mile to clinch the deal by even giving karuna,pillayan,douglas and their entire paramilitary mob to the north central province. If GOSL builds some nice houses there they will be willing to settle down permenently.This is an additional bonus for the sinhalese.

  208. #211. Mahesh.

    Nice fairytale, I guess you believe in Santa Claus and Unicorn as well.. IF there were temples there where are the ruins? Were they made of dust? Even Troy and Ancient Jerusalem which were obliterated left behind ruins..All those temples mentioned date back only a few centuries (the one in Koneshwaram only a few decades)..the Buddhist temples predate them by at least one and a half milennia

    “The Great Pagoda` or `The Pagoda with a thousand Pillars` of the Portuguese”

    Please look up the meaning of Pagoda in the Englih dictionary. If you break through the cement slab of the modern Koneshwaram temple, you will find the ruins of this pagoda/ stupa.. The Portugese writers wrote that the Pagoda in Trincomale was occupied Ganzes (Ganninanses) who were revered by Cingaleze (Sinhalese)..

  209. #210. Again more unsubstantiated lies and twisted half-truths.

    I will address them one by one..

    1. The word Kshastriya denotes a caste which was prevelant in North India. The Buddha belonged to that caste. Kshastriya’s from Bengal/ Bihar/ Oriss were the second wave of migrants (Princess Bhaddakachchayana) who arrived. They settled the Eastern seaboard and founded the city of Gokanna (modern Trincomalee).. Elara’s tomb still stands in Anuradhapura and to this day Processions passing the area move silently (following the edict of Dutugemunu)/

    2. The shrines mentioned were dedicated to Kadira deiyo (it is said Kadira was one of Elara’s chieftains who defected to Dutugemunu’s side) and Upulwan deiyo, the two local dieties of Mathara and Hambanthota. Only in the 14-15th century is Lord Murugan and Lord Vishnu are inserted into these temples (till then the chronicles refer to them by the local names).

    3. Tamil stone insriptions only appear in the 11th century AD..The script in the 3 century BC ones are Asokan Brahmi but language (grammer and pronunciation) are Hela-basa/ Helu basa. Serbo-Croat and Russian have the same script, doen’t necessarily mean they are the same language. The clinching argument here is the different letters for ‘ka’ and ‘ga’ found on those inscriptions (Not very Tamilian now is it?)

    4. First of all there is no place in Sri Lanka called Thalangoda.. If he is referring to Halangoda, there is no such inscription there (The T is captialised, so this is unlikely to be a typo, the person writing was relying on hearsay)

    5. The Mahvansa nor any insciptions mention Pandians. The fish was not a patented symbol of the Pandyans (why just leave a fish witout a bit of tamil?). It’s found in insriptions all over the world (denoting fishermen). Maybe Jesus was a Pandiyan as well??

  210. #210 Mahesh,

    6. This one is true. But does it prove a Tamil homeland? These castes evolved during Portugese, Dutch periods. Similar to Koviyar caste in Jaffna.

    7. Brohier says it was known as Oora situ wewa (The tank where the Boar’s bathed/ were)..That’s a Sinhala name (Again shows the lack of knowledge on the part of the writer)

    8. Rathna comes from the Pali Rathana (meaning gem, i.e. Thrivida Rathana- triple gem). Menik is just one Sinhala word for Sinhala among Rathna, Ruwan, Mini etc..

    9. Again Nagara comes from pali. And I don’t see how Nagara => Nuwara (a w for a g come on who are we kidding here), something more plausible Seehala => Eela

    10. Nallathanni (it is in Hatton) as populated only in British era by Tamil labourers. A bit ahead of Nallathanni is Seethaeliya, another name originated by Tamil labourers (too bad these guys want no truck with Eelam or you could have claimed Nuwareliya and Badulla for your apartheid state as well) The old road to Sri-pada (Adam’s peak) was via Rathnapura (the domain of Sumana Saman)

  211. #210. Mahesh,

    11. Devol Bandara of Seenigama was a local chieftain who later became reverred by people.. This goes to show that the pre-aryan locals were no Hindus but a sort of Druidist religion (spirit and nature worshipping).. There are many other such deities. Kadira of Katharagama, Upulwan of Mathara, Mahsen of Minneri, Saman of Rathanpura, Getabaru, Huniyam the list goes on and on..

    12. The April New year is not a Tamil one. It is celebrated in parts of North India and South East Asia (all nations hit by the SouthWestern monsoon). It’s origins are in the replenishment of nature with the new rains..

    13. All these are recent additions, Most likely evolved in the rule of Malabari kings in Kandy after 1739. None of the older records speak of those rituals. The only ritual that predates Buddhism is tree worshipping (the Swarnamali story and others), practiced by the Hela tribes who were into Spirit worship..

    14. The word Walawuawa and Paththuwa origninate few centuries ago (maybe Tamil in origin) the word used from the Anurahdpura era to present day to denote a mansion is Vaasala/ Vaahala and an area is Disawa (from the Pali dishawa)..As I pointed out before Sinhala has many synonyms for the same thing.. Sena, Guna, Singha, Wickrama, Anuradha, Rathana, Nayaka are all either Pali or Sanskirit in origin. Bandara is I think unique ..

    15. Sinhala is mainly a mix of Pali and Sanskrit and the Polynesian type language spoken by the Hela tribes..It has absorbed many words later from Tamil, Arabic, Portugese, Dutch and English..It’s always better to be hybrid rather than a ‘pure’ inbred race..

    See you again soon for another episode of mythbusters..

  212. #217. Navin (?)

    Amalgamation of N-E is non-negotiable. There is no historic, demographic or any other reason to do so. The Sinhalese in the East don’t want it, the Moors don’t want it…A significant section of Eastern Tamil’s don’t want it..

    Your comment is a bit suss?? Seems like somebody’s upto no good impersonating others (Like 188 Nostradamus)..Low self esteem maybe..

  213. #206. Shankar,

    If your primary concerns are economic then river basin model is the best for devolution. This model initially proposed by Professor Sooriayabandara (I made a few adjustiments), leads to equitable distribution of resources (Coastline, Rivers, Arable Land, Total Land etc.) between provinces. I have posted this in this blog under a previous topic (I think the Muslim Congress one) and will not re-post again as DBSJ does not like reposting. All nine provinces will be able to sustain themselves to a great extent, making this the most equitable and sustainable devoloution model.

  214. FRIENDS I HAVE A DOUBT. CAN ANYBODY CLARIFY THIS.

    THERE ARE MANY NAMES OCCURING IN THE MAHAVAMSA WHICH ENDS WITH ‘TISSA’, LIKE SURATHEESA, DEVANAM PIYA TISSA. IS THIS TISSA A VARIATION OF THE WORD ‘EASAN’, THE NAME OF THE HINDU DEITY LORD SHIVA.

    THERE ARE MANY TAMIL NAMES EVEN TODAY LIKE SABESAN, KALISWARAN, MAHESWARAN, KUMARESAN.

    LIKE WISE IS THIS TISSA A VARIATION OF THE WORD EASWARAN.

  215. 230. Diyasena:

    Amalgamation of N-E is non-negotiable. There is no historic, demographic or any other reason to do so. The Sinhalese in the East don’t want it, the Moors don’t want it…A significant section of Eastern Tamil’s don’t want it..

    Your comment is a bit suss?? Seems like somebody’s upto no good impersonating others (Like 188 Nostradamus)..Low self esteem maybe..

    —————–

    Give a little, take a little.

    My suggestion is based on the following. Towards the latter part of History, Jaffna rulers enjoyed a degree of autonomy from South. This autonomy and the area over which they had their writ changed over time and also depending on how powerful the Jaffna ruler and Kandyan king was.

    Given that Sinhalese have carried over bits of history over to the present constitution, for example status of Buddhism, unitary state of the country etc., is it wrong for Tamils to ask that the constitution recognize in some form that Tamils had self rule in Jaffna?

    It is OK if you say, the constitution should have nothing to do with religion, ethnicities, history but should be based on entirely the present but I don’t think Sinhalese will accept such a constitution. At least not in the foreseeable future. In an environment where Sinhalese brag about their past, Tamils will also want to do the same.

    I have not proposed that we amalgamate North and East as they are, instead, I have proposed that we redraw the boundaries so that we can grant them an amalgamated North and East so that Sinhalese no longer feel that Tamils are in control of a disproportionate share of land mass.

    While I’m not for a sell out of the rights of the Sinhalese, I try to understand the Tamil mindset. There is nothing wrong in giving up a little bit of what you believe to be yours if it is an investment for a brighter future.

    I know who Nostradamus is. I don’t think every Tamil who demands an amalgamated North and East is a Nostradamus.

  216. #214,224

    My apologies ok Dr Karunanithy is a good guy but Vaiko, Nedumoron and Seeman are the bad guys.

    Thanks guys.

  217. Diyasena clearly is a man of learning and can substantially contribute to the national debate – although it is clear he has
    pre-conceived positions (N-E re-merger, purity of Sinhala culture and language totally devoid of any Tamilandu influence and many other) But that;s fine. All this can be settled by dialogue and reason.

    Nedumaran, Vaiko, Seeman all got energised because the Tamil issue here was not addressed seriously enough. The lukewarm response of the regime still is breeding new players like Thirumavalavan, Arti and many others. What is required is not the raised-sarong attitude that I took objection to but the calm, collected, diplomatic path of men like Jayantha Dhanapala, Mangala Moonesinghe – and, of late, Mangala Samaraweera. As those with better judgements in the subject here have concluded, the future will show, in various degrees, our way out to a peaceful and prosperous future will be via integration with India – both North and South. Pre-set anti-Indian prejudice will not help here and neither will that misplaced dream of setting China against India. Both powers have too much savvy and stake to fall for that.

    ISS

  218. Diyasena

    I read your comments. But why don’t you order some commission of inquiry of eminent persons and tell conclusively that you the sinhalas are the original inhabitants of the island.

    Do it. Until then the Tamils will be telling that you sinhalese are twisting history and sinhalese will be telling that the tamils are twisting history.

    You could order excavation at those sites and may be it will yield many facts.

    The fact that the Koneswaram tample was just a few centuries old doesn’t prove that it is not a old temple.

    the Europeans particularly the dutch and the portugese have pulled down many a temple and upon it was built structures at a later date.

    For example the Kapaleeswarar temple in Mylapore, Chennai, was destroyed by the dutch/portugese and it was rebuilt at a later date.

    for that reason we cannot say that the mylaopre temple is a new one.

    Sambandar one of the most revered saivaite saint brought to life the Poompaavai in that place and that mylaopre is also the birth place of Thiruvalluvar.

    Till you conduct research in those sites and come out conclusively it will be difficult to accept your words in total.

    Until then I would believe that the Tamils lived there for a long time, may be even before the arrival of the King vijaya.

    Because the tamils have traded all over the world and definitely would have come to your place also.

    Tamils discovered the Reunion islands during the time of the cholas. they called it the theemai theevu, for it had a volcano. volcano is not found in tamil nadu. therefore they abandoned it.

    When they can discover those distant islands and lands your island is only a stone throw away and they are intelligent and hard working people. Therefore i will believe that the tamils lived in your island even before the arrival of the King Vijaya.
    Prove it is not so and then I will change my views.

    Why me all the Tamils will then acknowledge it.

    Then you would have found the answer to the conundrum ‘which came first, egg or the chick’.

    If you want to know the answer for the same now itself i can tell you and that answer could be apt to put a full stop to this question, ‘who came first, the sinhalese or the tamils’ in your island.

  219. 231. Diyasena | October 26th, 2010 at 9:27 am
    #206. Shankar,

    If your primary concerns are economic then river basin model is the best for devolution
    ———————————————————————–
    Still this is having 9 provincial councils while navins proposal has 6 provincial councils which is a substantial savings in costs and as he more importantly pointed out less politicians, which i forgot. By merging the north east and getting 5 councils,
    benefits in the form of costs and number of politicians being reduced is not much, but probably a quicker resolution of this ethnic divide. As for me both seem suitable for the country.

    Northcentral province is needed to give the ancient capital of the sinhalese, anurathapura,and its great civilisation and irrigation network which was one of the first and finest in the world, its due place in our society.

    Though you mention allocation of natural resources such as rivers, coasts, arable land etc, you missed location which is very important for survival. For example the central province , though lacking a coast, has a central location, as its name depicts.So it can become a junction for trade, whereas trade between north and south will be more difficult. If you look at the EU, Luxemburg has the highest percapita income on a purchasing power parity basis of the USD, of 80000, whereas the next highest is switzerland and ireland with 41000.Luxemburg benefits a lot from its location between france , germany and belgium and cross border trade and workers just commute there work and come back the same day to germany, france and belgium. They can obviously source the best skills and have become a world renounwed international finacial center.

    Similarly if you look at the north though it has no rivers and little arable land its location makes it the first point of trade with the vast future indian market.

    Besides their is an entrenced love by the people for their own specific areas and as you rightly pointed out in your comment 195, if a person would prefer ampara to be not administered by tricomalee, then just imagine how they will feel if the distance becomes greater and everything becomes topsy turvy due to river basin basis of adjustment.

  220. Dear Dr. Kaluwitharne (#235)

    I did not say Kalaignar Karunanidhi is a good guy. He’s rotten to the core as a politician. The near vagabond now is one of the richest men in the city – along with the loot ill-gotten by his ambitious son Alagiri (now Minister in the Central Govt) and his weaker son Stalin (what a name?) who I think is the Mayor of the city. He kidnapped girls from leading women Colleges and even abducted a well known Muslim TV announcer. One of these days this octogenarian will die and then one can see fire-works between his children and that of Murasoli Maran’s. The other alternative JayLolita is no better.

    But not because of them – but inspite of them – Tamilnadu State is developing fast notably in the past 2 decades. That is, Sir, because the State is absolutely rich with very educated and able men. Sarath Fonseka and his ilk will have to look around them for “jokers” – if you will forgive me. They will have no difficulty in getting their fill – in the Cabinet, in Parliament etc etc.,

    ISS

  221. #233 Mahesh,

    No need to shout..The emphasis EE sound in Easan. The Tissa found in Mahvansa and the stone inscriptions the emphasis is on the SS sound ..Another outlandish comparison based on poor assumptions..Following the same line of flawed logic maybe Tissa came from the Egyptian Issa..ROFLMAO

  222. #237. Mahesh

    Excavations have already begun, haven’t you read the wailing and moaning on Tamilnet? The results that are beginning to be unearthed is going to be hard to stomach for people like you..Whatever proofs are found there are people who believe th earth is flat and the sun revolves around it. Traders leave behind movable evidence like coins and potsherds.. The inhabitants leave behind immovable evidence like temples and stone inscriopions..

    Why don’t you ask for a Bantustan in reunion then? if you ask nicely the Frenchies might give it? There is very little linguistic difference between Divehi and Polonnaruwa era Sinhala. Yet we do not go claiming the Maldives now do we?

  223. 236 ISS,

    We do not mean any harm to India. Infact a united India is in Lanka’s best interest, for if Tamilnadu becomes independent there will be another war..

    In time if India realises the great potential it has and stays in one piece SL wouldn’t mind joining it.. Give it a few decades and we’ll see.. However if it is to happen.

    1. Sri Lanka gets special status like Kashmir (everything apart from Defense, Foreign affairs and Communications)

    2. It becomes the linguistic state of the Sinhala language.

    3. We get to have separate teams for cricket and rugby (like Scotland, Wales, Hong Kong etc..)

  224. #220 Samarasekara,

    The people of UVA-Wellassa who bravely revolted against the British were subject to the most terrible genocide..SL has grounds to sue Brits in international courts for this..

    Whilst ensuring there is no future apartheid system where a small minority rules over large majority, it is equally important to ensure that we do not use our numerical superiority to look down on others

    Equal RIGHTS and Equal RESPONSIBILITIES to all..

  225. Sajith Premdasa’s latest salvo accusing Ranil’s right hand of being Tiger proxies has more significance than the inevitable split of the UNP.

    Sajith will lead a nationalistic UNP driving it to the extreme with respect to the communal issues.He will also jettison pro Western image and Economics.

    That is the strategy that he will use to grab the rural poor Sinhala vote base..

    These aspirations come across loud and clear from his statement in the”Island.”

    This strategy will force the Ranil faction to go to the other extreme, especially with the pro western and pro capitalist ideology.

    This will set the scene for three major parties. with UPFA in the middle and UNP Rranil to the right and the Sajith UNP to the left.

    This a widow of opportunity for the moderate Tamils to enter the main stream and be a formidable opponent to the Rajapaksa regime.

    If the moderate ,intelligent and visionary Tamils who have a genuine interest in their flock getting a fair share of a prosperous country, they can become Ranil’s partner.
    I
    This s is the time to jettison the communal politics of the existing parties and give the impression that they want to live in a united Country as Srilankans.

    By doing so the Tamils can not only enjoy ministerial positions in a future Ranil faction (with or without Ranil ) government, bu also have a good chance of having a Tamil PM,.

    The population o fthe Tamils in Colombo gives them a strong bargaining baset for a start.

    If such a partnership can come up with convincing, fair and honest policies that project communal harmony , a mixed economy and above all honest ,corruption free Governance , a maority of Srilankans will back them.

  226. #234. Navin,

    An interesting point of view. Base on what you said I propose the following systems of five provinces (reduces number of politicians as you say).. But the units are quite large so any such devolution should be PRECEDED by a bill of rights (including the right to live and work anywhere) and constituional safeguards (3/4 in parliament and 2/3 in both provinicial and national referendums) to prevent separation.

    The North Eastern Province- Jaffna, Mullaitivu/ Mooldaduva, Most of Vavuniya / Vavniyawa (apart from South Western bit), Most of Kilinochchi/ Giranikey (apart from the South Westen bit), The Eastern (coastal section of Trincomalee) and Most of Batti (apart from a small section to the south).

    The North Central Province- Anuradhapura, Polonnaruwa, Mannar/ Mathotha, The southwestern bits of Vavuniya/ Vavniyawa and Kilinocchi/ Giranikey, The Western (inland section) of Trincomalee

    The South Eastern Province- Galle, Mathara, Hambanthota, Moneragala and most of Ampara (Apart from a small section in the north and west).

    The Western Province- Colombo, Gampaha, Kaluthara, Putthalama and Kurunegala

    The Central province- Kandy, Mathale, Nuwaraeliya, Kegalle, Badulla, Rathnapura, North and Western bits of Ampara, Southern bit of Batti

    Every province will have some advantages and disadvantages, evening things out

    The North East will get roughly around 20% of the land but still a disproportionately high amount of coast 30%+. But hey might have a smaller share of the population (based on present numbers).

    The North Central will get only a small amount of coast, but they will have most of the arable land be the rice bowl of the country.

    The South-Eastern province will get a smaller share of the land but a good chunk of the coast and the important trade hub of Colombo

    The Western province will have hardly any arable lands. But they will get the industrial areas and most of the population.

    The central province gets very little coast (5-10%), but they will have control over most of the rivers and also get the Capital (which I feel should be in Dumbara or Nuwaraelya. Very defendable against foreign invasions even in the present day)..

  227. #238. Shankar,

    On the same line of argument a cost-benefit analysis could also show having one unitary state (with administrative decentralization to districts) with no provincial councils is the best option (As Dr. Narendran suggests)

    Luxembourg has only a population of half a million. And its not appropriate to compare the trade volumes of France, Germany and Belgium with those of Sri Lanka’s provinces..

    Locations mean naught without access to other basic resources such as land and water and fisheries… With all the elaborate arguments you still came back to square one (a merged N & E with 1/3 of total land and half of the coastline for 6-7% of the population)..I am beginning to smell a proverbial rat..

  228. 247. Diyasena | October 26th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
    #238. Shankar,

    ( With all the elaborate arguments you still came back to square one (a merged N & E with 1/3 of total land and half of the coastline for 6-7% of the population)..I am beginning to smell a proverbial rat..)
    ———————————————

    I think you have misunderstood my #238, which in my present state of mind i have not explained properly. When i refer to the merged north east, i was referring to navin’s proposal of distributing some land to the north central. I have also mentioned that merged or not merged is suitable for the country, but merged(navin’s version) will bridge the ethnic divide quicker.
    In earlier comments i have opposed the TNA manifesto of merged north east in its present form, because i know it will create problems in the future.. The adjustment by navin is of course fine by me.

    I think in your comment 245 you have got the unit of devolution perfect. bloggers should cut and paste it somewhere for future reference. That is what i have done.

    Now what about the extent of devolution?

  229. Coming back to the main topic..

    It seems that presently the Sri Lankan Tamil politics has shifted from the Parliament to the ”Arankam”..
    Both TNA and Rajapakshe Bros are basing their current moves on this and hence their actions cannot be be construed as conclusive.

  230. Dear Diyasena:

    By integration I did not mean what you now have placed for debate. There is no reason for us to yield our soverignity as a country if we can settle matters between us conclusively. Besides, India may not have the apetite for this now. Perhaps they may have earlier (1987?)

    It is understood Bangladesh, not long ago, put feelers but were rejected due to a devastated economy and chronic political disunity. . Pakistain – now in uncontrollable turmoil and in the process of disintegration – may be forced to soon. It is an open secret in sensitive Delhi circles Nawaz Sharif has sounded off a grand Punjab (in the line of the pre-partition reality) under Indian control with quid pro quo support on the Kashmir issue. If this happens Sindh may make its own move. But outsiders – keen on geo-political consideratins of the region – may not be inclined towards such a move since the rest of Pakistan will fall to dangerous hands threatenng regional and global peace.

    Our best hope is a “One country 2-Nations (linguistic)” arrangement for which the NEP on a 1948 population Census percentage and boundary arrangement will be sine qua non. This may seem far-fetched now – but it may eventually be the way out.

    ISS

  231. # 245. # Diyasena 248. shankar , # 247. Diyasena , #238. Shankar,

    —-
    If guys can’t come to some agreement even in a blog, how difficult it is for TNA and MR to agree on devolution of power , merger of North-east etc on give & take basis.

  232. #248 Shankar
    “Now what about the extent of devolution?”

    Defence- National
    Foreign affairs- National
    Communications- National

    Judiciary-

    District courts, Provincial high courts and a National supreme court
    The country shall have one penal code of justice. Provinces can pass by- laws if the Supreme court determines they do not explicitly violate the spirit of the national code of justice.

    Police-

    Provincial police departments for application of day to day laws and crimes committed on provincial lands
    National Police for application of laws regarding to crimes committed on national lands and crimes involving more than one province as well as international crimes

    Governance- Each province shall have an assembly of 51 to 101 members (voted on the first past the post system) and a senate of 20 members(voted on proportional representation). The chief minister shall be the head of the Assembly. The Governor (Appointed by the president) shall be the head of the senate.

    The governor may only declare national rule over a province,
    1. Large scale natural disasters 2. Arbitrary attempts at secession 3. If asked so by the chief minister 4. Political deadlock

    In all cases after 6 months governor requires approval of the provincial assembly or call for a fresh election.

    The national assembly shall consist of 200 members (elected by first past post system) headed by the Prime minister. A 100 member senate (elected on proportional representation) shall be headed by the President (appointed by parliament)

  233. #248 Shankar (Continued)

    Land- Administration of private lands shall be done by the provinces. Existing crown lands shall be divided 2/3 to the provinces and 1/3 to the centre

    Agriculture and Irrigation (tanks) – Provinces

    Fisheries- Coastal and shallow water fisheries, fishing
    Deep sea fisheries shall be responsibility of
    centre

    Waterways- All rivers and lakes within provincial boundaries managed by provinces. All rivers crossing provincial boundaries and their catchments managed by the state.

    Mineral resources and other resources of national importance- Owned by nation but 1/3 of royalties given to province it is situated in.

    Environment and biodiversity-

    Management of non-threatened non-endemic species -Province
    Mangement of endemic and threatened species- Centre
    EIA process- Centre

    Archaeology and national heritage- Centre

  234. #248 Shankar (continued)

    Trade and commerce-

    Internal – Provinces
    External with private entities- Provinces
    External with government of semi-government entities- Centre

    Health- National health policy to be implemented by
    Provinces. State Hospitals managed by
    provinces but funded by both province and centre

    Education- National educational policy implemented by
    Provinces. State schools and universities.
    managed by provinces but funded by both
    province and centre.

    Transport- Intra province transport- Province
    Inter-province transport- Centre
    Railways- Centre

    Ports, Harbours and Airports- Centre
    Domestic airports- Province

    Social services- Centre
    Immigration and emigration- Centre
    Licensing and registration- National
    Census and statistics- Centre
    Elections and referendums- Centre

  235. 223. Don

    I became a bit emotional when you said jaffna tamils are greedy and I addressed you as a facist and racist. I would have controlled my emotions.

    You may equate the tamils of jaffna, tamils of trinco and tamils of batti. But don’t equate tamils of N & E provinces to the tamils of kandy and tamils of colombo. Tamils of kandy and tamils of colombo are settlers of the recent past. Their position is like the tamils in malaysia, singapore and burma.

    But tamils of N & E provinces are sons of soil. No one is sure whether tamils of N & E provinces came first to the island or the sinhalese. You can’t expect the subdued approach of the kandy tamils and colombo tamils from the tamils of N & E provinces. I don’t say that terrorism is the only option available. The origin of the N & E tamils is a misunderstood one by most of the indians (even indian tamils). Sinhalese know the reality but they never accept it and try to project as if the tamils of N & E provinces are also settlers. Tamils of N & E provinces are not minority and they are the sons of soil.

    VP had committed a lot of mistakes. Anyway, he had the guts to dedicate himself and his family for the cause what he believed is correct.

    You talk about the caste system of the tamil society. Sinhalese society is also a caste ridden one. Govigama, karava, durave, Berava, Batgama and Hina are the various castes and MR belongs to the upper Govigama caste. Open sinhalese chauvinism is promoted by the upper caste groups and even the revolutionary leftist movements initated by the low caste sinhalese groups became sinhalese chauvinistic later.

  236. # 255 Yogesh Karayalar

    Why did you withdraw your earlier assessment ! You were not far off the mark.

    # 242 Diyasena

    I would rather have the wild Afghani Pashtuns under the Indian Union than the descendants of Vijaya.

  237. 241. Diyasena

    Let the results come. Don’t jump into conclusions.

    240. Diyasena

    ———————

    The emphasis EE sound in Easan. The Tissa found in Mahvansa and the stone inscriptions the emphasis is on the SS sound .

    ——————————-

    The Tamil spoken in Chennai will be of different accent and that spoken in Madurai or Coimbatore will be of different accent.

    But it is all Tamil anyway.

    This accent is not such a serious thing. This could be probed.

    For example the name Devanam piya tissa you may say, but in tamil it will come out as devanam piyatheesan. EESAN is a tamil word for Lord. It could again mean King or even God Easwar.

    I don’t know the meaning for your tissa, its etymology etc.

  238. #257. Mahesh,

    Tissa is Pali in origin. The name Tissa is quite common in Buddhist texts as well.

    There was nephew of Buddha (who later became a monk) called tissa

    King Asoka had a brother by the name of Tissa

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  239. #255 Yogesh Karayalar
    “No one is sure whether tamils of N & E provinces came first to the island or the sinhalese.”

    “But tamils of N & E provinces are sons of soil”

    You contradict yourself in the same paragraph. There is scant archaeological evidence to support your claim. Infact the existing archaeological evidence points otherwise.

    The same lie said over a hundred times does not become the truth..

  240. Correction to post 253

    Fisheries- Coastal and shallow water fisheries shall be the responsibility of the provinces..
    Deep sea fisheries shall be responsibility of
    centre

  241. 251. sjoseph | October 27th, 2010 at 4:07 am
    # 245. # Diyasena 248. shankar , # 247. Diyasena , #238. Shankar,

    —-
    If guys can’t come to some agreement even in a blog, how difficult it is for TNA and MR to agree on devolution of power , merger of North-east etc on give & take basis
    ———————————————————————-

    Joseph, blogging is much more difficult than face to face conversations. With all that, we have with about 10 comments agreed on the unit of devolution, which can be either 6 units without the merger of the north and east, or 5 units with the merger consisting of 20 percent of land area. The tamils can choose whichever they prefer, it is upto them. If it does not amount to 20 per cent in the amalgamation proposed by diyasena, then they can negotiate for a bit more of the inland areas and if the sinhalese don’t want to do that they can say we will go ahead with the devolution without the amalgamation.

    So the amalgamation of the 2 provinces need not be a barrier to the solution.We have now moved on to the extent of devolution. Can you and mahesh look into diyasena’a proposals on that and see how it compares to the indian model and what are the differences and similarities, please. Thanks.

  242. Those Indian posters who posted sanctimonious nonsense about Indian government’s conduct in Kashmir – how commendable it was and how it is just a law and order operation should take a pause and read what Arundhathi Roy has written. Here is an excerpt:

    “I spoke about justice for the people of Kashmir who live under one of the most brutal military occupations in the world; for Kashmiri Pandits who live out the tragedy of having been driven out of their homeland; for Dalit soldiers killed in Kashmir whose graves I visited on garbage heaps in their villages in Cuddalore; for the Indian poor who pay the price of this occupation in material ways and who are now learning to live in the terror of what is becoming a police state”

    Here is the link to the TransCurrents posting of the article.

    http://transcurrents.com/tc/2010/10/pity_the_nation_that_has_to_si.html#more

  243. 248. shankar:
    245. Diyasena:

    Kurunegala should go with the North Central province. Its a predominantly agricultural area and has little in common with more cosmopolitan Western coastal belt.

    Two very contentious issues will be police powers and power to appropriate state land and colonization.

    Provinces should have the adequate power to appropriate and use their land without center interfering. The concern here is what if Eelamist were to misuse this power to block access to Sinhalese in the North. All they have to do is just distribute all land among themselves.

    Yet, if were to require provinces to seek state approval for land appropriation, then that’s restricting things too much. Also, I would rather not hold back part of land that comes under a province as belonging to state. Besides, not all land is of equal value.

    So, I would suggest, that we introduce mechanisms in the constitution that encourage provinces to maintain a healthy mix of ethnicities in their respective populations. If a province has reached this diversity target by attracting people from other areas of the country to settle in, then the province may be given full autonomy in deciding what its going to do with its land.

    With this, there won’t be any need for state sponsored colonization. If a province has not reached this goal, then any land appropriation will have to be approved by the center.

  244. 241. Diyasena

    Traders leave behind movable evidence like coins and potsherds.. The inhabitants leave behind immovable evidence like temples and stone inscriopions..

    —————————————–

    Residents also use coins and also potsherds. First excavate and find out the true history. The truth will set you free.

    Ashoka’s rule could have been easily forgotten. In fact his memory was resurrected by the British archeologists and also supported by the many rock edicts that he commissioned to be erected in various parts of this domain.

    His reign was also recorded by your mahawamsa and dipavamsa.

    Likewise you please take up this excavation and even you could be surprised by its results.

  245. Diyasena (#242) Visiting this again I note your speculation “if India stays in one piece” This to me is more wishful thinking on your part than the pragmatic conclusion of one with some reading and knowledge – that I credited you with. If push comes to shove majority leaders here will not blink an eye to sell the country. Don’t forget the Indian Warship outside Galle Face Green waters in 1987 that came in at the frantic S.O.S. of many sections of the JRJ Govt. This is no different to the “patriotic” action of the Kandyan Chiefs during the Wickrema Rajasinghe rule as well as that treachery during the British coming in the early 1800s. It is far better we solve our differences with some give and take among ourselves than risk the Island becoming either Rajapakistan or Cheenagama. Loku aiya across the Straits won’t like either alternative.

    ISS

  246. #256 Nostradamus,

    “I would rather have the wild Afghani Pashtuns under the Indian Union than the descendants of Vijaya”

    Too bad it’s the North Indians and Malayalis who make the big decisions, not you..

  247. First class citize…Second class citizen…!

    In this world if you have money your are first class citizen other wise second class citizen…any where you live.

  248. Diyasena

    Thirugnanasambandar who lived in the 7th century sang about the Thiruketheeswaram and trinco temples. It means they were there even prior to that period. therefore your saying that the trinco temple is only few decades old doesn’t hold good.

    May be we have to find out the real antiquity of the temples in sri lanka.

    There were many tamil budhist and jain places of worship in tamil nadu. They are now converted into some hindu temples and prayer is offered unto them.

    Many of them have also fallen into disuse.

    Now we don’t find many of these budhist or the jain places of worship. That doesn’t deny the history of the tamil budhists in India.

    Find out the real history of your island.

  249. #259 Diasena

    I emphasize that if tamils of N & E provinces are settlers then sinhalese are also settlers.

    First of all understand the meaning of the phrase sons of soil properly. Sons of soil is a relative term. The phrase sons of soil absolutely does not have any meaning. In the absolute sense it may refer to aborigins or monkeys. When compared to that of Kandy and Colombo tamils Tamils of N & E provinces and sinhalese are sons of soil. Otherwise they are also settlers. Don’t be too smart Diasena.

    You say ‘The same lie said over a hundred times does not become the truth’. History created by the sinhalese government repeatedly cries that sinhalese are the sons of soil which is a blatant lie. You talk about archeological evidence. Which evidence? Do you mean the manipulated or projected evidence of the sinhalese governments?

    It has been again and again proved that both tamils and sinhalese migrated from India. Your genes match a lot with that of bengalis. Your language has some resemblence with oriya and telugu.

  250. ISS #265.

    I don’t really care what you think of me personally , but I believe there is still an IF there. Just look at the way they are molycoddling the maoists. No one in the 1980s would have predicted the USSR or the Yugoslav Federation falling apart (especially the latter which was sort of a mini India..)

    “Loku aiya across the Straits won’t like either alternative”

    Loku aiya and Sinna thambi standing shoulder to shoulder at the Commonwealth games closing ceremony speaks otherwise..I think they are quite happy with a Raja-stan

  251. “Thirugnanasambandar who lived in the 7th century sang about the Thiruketheeswaram and trinco temples. It means they were there even prior to that period. therefore your saying that the trinco temple is only few decades old doesn’t hold good”

    Then why did the tamizhbans in 1950s raze the Gokanna Vihara and put cement over what remains?
    Arthur Conan Doyle sang/ wrote of a lost world? An substanitated work of fiction does not stand against a carbon dated Buddhist temple (with a Sinhala inscription) going back to the second century BC

    “Likewise you please take up this excavation and even you could be surprised by its results”

    The excavations are happening as we speak. What’s surprising is the number of Buddhist temples damaged and Sinhala inscriptions defiled by the Tamizhbans of the LTTE..That is the real history, if it doesn’t fit your fairytale, too bad mate..

  252. #269. Y. Karayalar,

    “I emphasize that if tamils of N & E provinces are settlers then sinhalese are also settlers.
    First of all understand the meaning of the phrase sons of soil properly. Sons of soil is a relative term”

    Lol, backtracking already.. My point exactly so if both groups were settlers, no single group has exclusive rights over any part of the island.. So based on that everyone will get equal RIGHTS and equal RESPONSIBILITIES.. But no mono-ethnic bantustans based on mythical homelands

    “Do you mean the manipulated or projected evidence of the sinhalese governments?”

    Last time I checked people like R. Brohier, W. Geiger or J. Ribeiro were not Sinhalese.. Come to think of it neither were K.Aiyangar nor K. Indrapalan..

    “It has been again and again proved that both tamils and sinhalese migrated from India. Your genes match a lot with that of bengalis. Your language has some resemblence with oriya and telugu”

    That single study you quote was skewered it did not match genes with the Western Indian, Pakistani groups nor the Polynesian Islanders of the Indian/ Pacific oceans. You will find genes of Bengalis, Orissan, Sindhis, Punjabis, Gujaratis, The Polynesian Hela (the indegenous tribes), Tamils, Farsis, Arabs, Portugese, Macedonians so and so forth. It’s always better to be a mixed race (with a single identity) than a ‘pure’ inbred one..The closest relative of Sinhala is Divehi, whilst on the mainland it’s Sindhi and Punjabi (though the similarity is very minute).. Hence Sinhala and Divehi are considered a separate sub-group of Indo-Aryan languages

    “Don’t be too smart Diasena”

    One doesn’t have to try too hard against people like you 😉

  253. “Kurunegala should go with the North Central province. Its a predominantly agricultural area and has little in common with more cosmopolitan Western coastal belt.”

    My reason for adding K’negala to the West was that they along with Gampaha and Puttalam are the main coconut growing areas. Most people of Kurunegala district (especially the town and Eastern sides) identify themselves as highlanders..So maybe the Eastern section of Kurunegala could go to the Central province, in exchange for Rathnapura (who don’t identify with Kandy but do identify with people from Kaluthara)

    “The concern here is what if Eelamist were to misuse this power to block access to Sinhalese in the North. All they have to do is just distribute all land among themselves”

    That is why I said any such devolution/ decentralisation should be PRECEDED by a bill of rights which includes,

    “The right to live and work anywhere in the island, without hindrance of discriminatory laws, irrespective of language spoken and place of birth..”

    If any of the provinces violate this by introducing discriminatory laws it can be challenged in the supreme court and nullified.

    Quite importantly it must be stressed in the preamble that the reasons for devolving/decentralising power are efficient administration and regional empowerment NOT recognition of mythical homelands.

    The above relates to natural migration, in regard to government sponsored colonisation,

    If the Province or centre wants to do any land development on their respective crown lands 60% should be according to provincial ethnic ratio and 40% according to national ethnic ratio

  254. #239, ISS,
    “his weaker son Stalin (what a name?) who I think is the Mayor of the city. He kidnapped girls from leading women Colleges and even abducted a well known Muslim TV announcer.”

    Btw, Stalin is now the deputy CM of the state and he has been a Minister since 2006 after DMK came back to power. And the name of the TV newsreader is Fathima Babu. She is still a newsreader on Jaya TV. The local media have literally forgotten Stalin’s past and projecting him as the heir apparent of MK. I don’t know how you got the impression that JJ is no better than MK. Those of us that know about TN’s administration have a very different view. JJ is any day much better than MK. But MK is a cunning old fox that has almost the entire local media eating out of his hands. JJ, on the other hand, is a poor media manager and the result is the general impression amongst many that she is as bad as or worse than MK. JJ’s antipathy to the media has cost her a lot but she doesn’t seem to mend her ways.

  255. We, Sinhalese , Tamils, Muslims, Malays, Burghers, Kafirs and Veddahs ( I also realized there is a community of Telungu -speaking people in Trincomalee) , who are living in Sri Lanka now, should be the subject of our discussion. Who came first and who did what to whom, do not matter much at the present point in time.

    Politics is ultimately the art of the possible and is aimed at improving the lives of the people. How could we do this in the present juncture of our history? We are yet living with the bloody and gruesome results of a war of stupidity . We yet think that exercising power is an end in itself. The power that politics provides is only an instrument to achieve its objective. Power should be a means to an end. If we can achieve the end- better lives for a people or peoples- through working with those exercising power, it will be prudent and wise.

    This war and the events leading to it were a demonstration that we are yet barbarians under our skins. The Tamils as a people, are diminished in every way, as a result of this war. They are also bruised and battered. The Sinhalese and Muslims have also paid a price, though not as high as the Tamils. Let us learn our lessons from this experience and try to find directions to a more civilized future.

    What should we do on the political front- constitutions, laws and managing our affairs in a civilized and humane manner- to ensure that we treat all the people in Sri Lanka as equals and provide them the best our land can offer in terms of her resources and capabilities? Sinhala-Buddhists will be a majority and Sri Lanka will primarily reflect this identity. However, the Tamil, Hindu and Muslim identities can (should) exist as a sub-set of the overall Sri Lankan identity. i am sure no one- especially the Sinhala-Buddhists object to this.
    The Tamils and Muslims have to accept this reality and plan their life accordingly.

    Let us think straight with the future in our focus. Let us discuss the future on the understanding that Sri Lanka is our home and to those in Sri lanka the only home. Let us also understand that to most Sri Lankan Diaspora, Sri Lanka is yet the home they miss.

    Let us leave speculation about our history to the historians, archeologists, anthropologists and linguists,
    to ponder and unravel. Let us be aware of what is unfolding on this front and be proud of the achievements of our ancestors and aware of their failures. Let us also learn each others history, language, religion and culture. We will become a better people as a result. We are at present like the proverbial frog in the well, quite myopic, arguing about issues that are limited by the view from the different wells we are in .

    Let us also bear in mind our basic identity is as humans. We were born naked and helpless, with no identity, except as humans. All what we claim now and fight over is acquired, except our genes.

    I am proud being a Tamil Sri Lankan and have struggled through my adult life to retain that identity. I have reared my children mostly in Sri Lanka, at great personal sacrifice, to retain this identity through at least the next generation. I have to admit I have failed. My grand children when they come, may not be 100 % Tamils or Sri Lankans in terms of their genes or their identity. My children, who have seen the world, identify themselves beyond the confines I tried hard to define. They see themselves as world citizens, although Sri Lanka yet remains the land that connects them to this world. I am disappointed no doubt, but have to admit rather reluctantly that they may be right.

    The gobalized world of the 21st century is moving in a different direction and humans are groping their way towards evolving a civilization that is universal, more humane, more nature friendly, more spiritual ( rather than religious in the present sense) and more rational.
    Let us move with the times. We cannot resist the tide of time. Evolution, biologically and culturally, cannot be stopped. It is a relentless force. Unless we move with it, we will be left behind to drown in a largely irrelevant past.

    – Dr.Rajasingham Narendran-

  256. 271 Diyasena

    What do you mean by Tamizhbans? Do you try to pronounce in pure tamil? Then it is Thamizharkal. Atleast remove b from Tamizhbans so that it becomes Tamizhans. If your intention is to ill treat tamils I can come up with 1000 nick names for sinhalese.

  257. Diyasena (#270) Does your opting to call our man Sinna Tambi instead of Podi or Punchi Malli herald a sea-change on one side of the divide of a shift in our own political dynamics?
    Sinna Tambi being invited for the CWG created an uproar both in the North and the South there. Finally, the media seems to have arrived at a formulae that it is poetic justice that one of that culture is invited to close the Games that was characterised by thieving from the word Go where the estimates for the Games swelled from a paltry $700 million to something,arguably, in excess of $7 billion..

    As to the collapse of the Soviet Union, you will recall from the days of Isaac Deutcher and John Gunther the feeling was
    a group of European people cannot be kept in chains for long. Eventually, with the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism that coincided with Arab oil wealth and the common factor of an imagined Islamic Brotherhood the former Turkish fieddoms of the Caucases, kept under Russian (as opposed to Soviet) hegemony collapsed. The IT revolution, Lech Walesa,
    a Polish Pope and .Carter’s friend Zbigniew Zbenzinski all made their contributions to the eventual collapse with the final blow coming from the Afghanistan.- Russia’s “Vietnam”

    As to the delicate structure of Tito’s Yugoslavia his friend to become foe later – Mikoyan Djilas – predicted its collapse and much of the reason I quote above plus the spectre of
    the excesses of the occupation during the Turkish invasions centuries ago triggered the collapse of Yugoslavia.

    Kumar (#274) We are talking of 2 of the “better” among the worse in the matter of leadership in Tamilnadu. The days of Rajaji, Kamara, , Bhagtavatsalam – and even Annadurai – is now memories of the distant past in terms of quality and relatively corruption-free leadership. JJ may come back but it will be such a stain in the name of a State in which millions of decent, educated live with such scandals as her strange relationship with Sashikala. You know more of the current politics of TN that I do. I suspect you are a fan of Stalin. How far is it true that
    the spoils of the Sethusamudram Project were going to be given as a form of “dowry” to the milder Stalin by Appa. As fate would have it, The Project is now on hold and with the former UN Environmental Czar Rajendra Pachauri forced to play a role that might not be too favourable to the Kalaignar clan.

    ISS

  258. Further to my last comments in response to Mr. Diyasena, while noting his lurking but subtle wish for the early disintegration of India let me add – in addition to what I stated were the reasons for the collapse of both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, India – which was nothing but thousands of princely States and fiefdoms until the British united it has more to celebrate its integration acroos the far more diverse racial, religious, cultural, caste and other divisions by the integration that the British imposed upon it for “administrative purposes” The fate the undertook the vast SubContinent when over 700 horsemen from Baghad came over centuries ago, captured everything around the Indus calling the people therein as Hindus. They were to gradually convert much of North India to Islam until the British changed the equation. Today’s Indians – North, South, East and West – worship the day this happened because they are now beholders of a new India that has brought tremendous wealth, better health, educational benefits and world respect – despite many contradictions in their society.Intra State wars, armed rivalries are now things of the distant past. They are made to feel part of One Family inspite of the tremendous diversities. To all of them “this is my country” Their Constitution is a living organism and metes out justice. The judiciary and the Courts are relatively free and fair.

    Is there a lesson here for us? Your answer is as good as mine.

    ISS

  259. 275. Dr.Rajasingham narendran

    Who came first and who did what to whom, do not matter much at the present point in time.

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    Sir. It is not my intention to talk about who came first or second into your island.

    But the selective quoting from history is being done in your island and that is the main reason for so much of hatred and blood shed in your island.

    I also understand that to day the Tamils need food, clothing and shelter more than any thing else in your island.

    The interpretation of history has done all this to you and also the politicians.

    Unless you address the root cause do you think you can solve the misery of the Tamils in your land?

    Even now colonization is taking place in your land. That is opposite to ethnic cleansing.

    By this way your Parliamentary presence could be curtailed.

    This will reduce you to second class citizenship, if you are not that already.

    Mahawansa represents the history of the Budhism in Sri Lanka. It does not acknowledge the presence of other religion or ethnic groups.

    Even if it accepts them it only tells that they are wrong paths or bad people and the only civilized people are the Sinhala Budhists.

    To counter this we need to have historical evidence.

    Until this is obtained do you think there will be peace to the Tamils in the island?

    During the partition of India in 1947 the Hindus stranded in Pakistan were given a choice ‘take up Islam or be prepared to die’.

    Here also we see some shades of that statement.

    Also Pakistan doesn’t allow a good research work to be undertaken in Mohenjodaro and Harappa because it may lead to the conclusion that the Indians and the Pakistanis share a common past.

    Likewise I suspect that the archeological research may be denied by the successive Sinhalese Govts’.

    Diyasena talks that Divehi resembles the Sinhalese and yet they do not make a claim to the Maldives.

    Sinhalese has borrowed heavily from the Sanskrit and the Prakrit.

    We Indians also are not making any claim to the island.

    Accepting peace at whatever cost may be a tactical decision.

    In the long term it wont work. For the real peace to dawn ….. there are many conditions.

    Climate has to be made conducive.

  260. 276. Yogesh Karayalar

    I think he is trying to equate Tamils with Talibans.
    He is still suffering from Bamiyan syndrome.I am surprised he did not see Sinhala inscription or names in Afkhan.

  261. #275
    Sinhala-Buddhists will be a majority and Sri Lanka will primarily reflect this identity. Thanks Dr.

    Tamil and Muslims have to accept the fact and learn to live with the reality otherwise better they change world citizens.

    There is no more tamil ghettos in sri lanka which don’t allow sinhalese to settle down.

  262. 273:

    My reason for adding K’negala to the West was that they along with Gampaha and Puttalam are the main coconut growing areas. Most people of Kurunegala district (especially the town and Eastern sides) identify themselves as highlanders..So maybe the Eastern section of Kurunegala could go to the Central province, in exchange for Rathnapura (who don’t identify with Kandy but do identify with people from Kaluthara)

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    The Western province should focus on Industries and Services. Central and North Central should focus on agriculture. So if the economy of a particular area is primarily based on crops, it shouldn’t be in western province.

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    “The concern here is what if Eelamist were to misuse this power to block access to Sinhalese in the North. All they have to do is just distribute all land among themselves”

    That is why I said any such devolution/ decentralisation should be PRECEDED by a bill of rights which inludes,

    “The right to live and work anywhere in the island, without hindrance of discriminatory laws, irrespective of language spoken and place of birth..”

    If any of the provinces violate this by introducing discriminatory laws it can be challenged in the suprme court and nullified.

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    While Tamil dominance and political clout they enjoy in North and East should be accepted and continued, it should not be allowed to graduate into a mono ethnic province. While the situation in the East is more than fine as it is, North needs to be fixed. If we just allow people to migrate freely, given the animosity that some Tamils direct towards them, Sinhalese won’t move in on their own. Hence, the constitution should cull this pro-Eelam mentality by tying up degree of power over land devolved, to their fulfillment of the diversity target. Since we have 30% minorities in the country, expecting at least 20% minority presence is reasonable.

    Since the government is not going to decide when and where to settle the Sinhalese, Tamils will have control over the process. At the same time, since it is voluntary, if they offer a shabby deal Sinhalese will not accept it. Hence to attract people they will have to give some thing worthwhile. Also, this will not be a one time thing. The diversity will have to be continued as well. If a province falls short of the diversity threshold, it will be automatically stripped off of powers devolved subject to this constraint.

    Everything about rights and non discrimination should anyway be there in the constitution and I think we already have what we need. The problem is the implementation. But these two things are orthogonal and having a constitution that guarantees equal rights will not change the current status quo. You need some active mechanism to get the ball rolling.

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    Quite importantly it must be stressed in the preamble that the reasons for devolving/decentralising power are efficient administration and regional empowerment NOT recognition of mythical homelands.

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    The constitution should allow people to believe whatever they want to. It shouldn’t say N&E is the homeland of Tamils and it shouldn’t say that it is not the homeland of Tamils. As long as people don’t try to rub it on each other’s face things will work out just fine.

  263. Comment 279,

    Dear friend, native Tamils in the North in Srilanka had a better life than the majority Sinhalese before Prabakaran,

    If fact they were many many times better off than their Tamil counter parts n in your neck of the woods.

    Look at the Million Tamils in European cities and see what employment they are in . These are all Tamils e\aducated and employed in Srilanka,before they went looking for better pastures.

    Check the number of Tamils who occupied top positions in SL before Prabakaran.

    Check the number of Top Public Servants ,Top Officers in the Armed Forces , Police the Judiciary, Industrialists Bankers Specialist Doctors and Academics.

    Work out the ration of these to the general population and compare that with your country.

    Have a look at the Tamils in Colombo even now and compare them with the Tamils in South India.

    If anything it is the Tamil people from your side of the Palk Straight who had the rough end of the stick .then and even now.

    There is no Mahavamsa mind set among the majority. majority. It is just cock.

    Have you heard Sinhalese attacking Mosques or burning Jesuits with their children?

    So don’t talk about Buddhists not tolerating other ethnics and religions.

    It is your kind who still believe in Rama and Ravana and our Tourist corporation is milking it.

    All Sinhalese want is a united Srilanka which will be prosperous and peaceful. Nothing more nothing less.

    They don’t care whether you are Sinhalese , Tamil , Muslim Burghur anything else.

    Do you think the North Indians call the Tamil Nadu people “Mahattaya” and “Nona”?

    Now that the curse of Terrorism is over and If common sense prevail among the Tamil people there would not be any problem to argue and carry on about.

  264. Srilanka needs to re demarcate the Provinces eventually for the following

    * To accommodate Population growth

    * Equalize the distribution of resources

    * Equalize population distribution.

    * Devolve power

    * Avoid separatism and Ensure security of the Nation.

    Demarcation lines of different States in the successful democracies like Australia and the US are pretty much straight lines.

    In comparison ours is like a big time jig saw puzzle

    Most probably it was done as a matter of convenience.

    There are far too many provinces for such a miniscule population.

    Provinces and a Capital Territoy are all what is needed.

    The provinces should have more or less equal distribution of people, which will avoid the provinces being stacked up to disrupt ethnic balance.

    If it done properly, there is no problem with devolution of power with the Central Govt having the control of Monetary and Fiscal policy, Taxation, External Affairs . Defence, Religious affairs etc.,

    Education Health Care Public Transport Judicial matters and even Police powers can be given to the Provinces which are the main contentious issues at present.

    *

  265. #279 Mahesh
    Accepting peace at whatever cost may be a tactical decision.

    In the long term it wont work. For the real peace to dawn ….. there are many conditions.

    Climate has to be made conducive.
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    Words of wisdom..

  266. # 284-godzilla

    Education Health Care Public Transport Judicial matters and even Police powers can be given to the Provinces which are the main contentious issues at present.
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    I don’t think these are contentious issues except police powers. What about land, isn’t that a contentious issue, and if so whatis your take on that.

  267. 285. sjoseph | October 28th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
    #279 Mahesh
    Accepting peace at whatever cost may be a tactical decision.

    In the long term it wont work. For the real peace to dawn ….. there are many conditions.

    Climate has to be made conducive.
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    Words of wisdom
    ———————————————————————–

    mahesh and joseph, indians such as you are lucky that nehru had the wisdom and avoided all that we have gone through. Though you might have the patience and the wisdom, we can’t afford to, and have to get cracking on this, without again dumping into the too hard basket. If we put this off we will loose the momentum that has been generated so far, for a final solution. Time is of essence if we are to reach our full potential as a people and nation.

    In this world prblems don’t fade away, just because you ignore them. They only get bigger and bigger.

  268. #282-navin

    While Tamil dominance and political clout they enjoy in North and East should be accepted and continued, it should not be allowed to graduate into a mono ethnic province. While the situation in the East is more than fine as it is, North needs to be fixed
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    I don’t think fixing up the north is a big barrier to final solution. In the fiinal agreement have a clause that after the census is done in 2011 the ratio of minorities outside the northeast, as a percentage of the sinhalese will become the ratio in the north as well.

    For example let us just take a figure. If outside the north and east the tamils are 15 percent and the muslims are 5 percent and the sinhalese are 80 percent. Then in the north there should be 15 percent sinhaalese and 5 percent muslims, and settlement for this to happen will be facilitated by the central government. The provincial councils may have some powers in this matter for a smooth transition, but the main responsibility will be with the central authorities.

  269. # 280 Puma

    You are absolutely right. Diyasena will soon start seeing Sinhala script in the caves of Kabul and Kandahar.

    Two weeks before was saying Ramayana is a plagiarized version of Iliad.

  270. 284. Godzilla
    Demarcation lines of different States in the successful democracies like Australia and the US are pretty much straight lines.
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    Now I don’t know how it is in Australia, but in US, the state lines does not mean much other than to demarcate where each state ends and the other begin. What is of paramount importance are the electoral districts, which are redrawn every 10 years – supposedly to account for the population pattern changes. But what happens in reality is that the sitting governor of a state, who has much say in how these are redrawn makes sure that they are done in a manner that they help his or her respective party, in State Governor, Congressional, and in Presidential elections.

    What you have in US is not a perfect democracy – there is no such beast – but the best democracy that the money can buy. During the current mid-term elections in US, which is going to happen next Tuesday, the two main parties have so far spent 4 billion dollars (according to CNN). Now that is just for mid-term elections, imagine how much they are going to spend in 2012 presidential elections.

    Having said that, I still prefer the “democracy” USA and Canada style to the “democracy” Sri Lanka style.

  271. more than 100000 people have died innecessarily in the civil war in srilanka. A true story i found gave some comfort that this is not the end of the road. I give it below

    “Your True TalesDecember 2007 – Page 6Heart Attack NDEby Allan BeechamMy “near death experience”changed my life. It happened on March 20, 2005 at 1 a.m. in the morning. It happened at Henry County General Hospital in Paris, Tennessee. I was at home in bed and awoke just after midnight with what I thought at first was heartburn. I got up and went to my bathroom and saw myself in the mirror and I was a gray color. I then became very nauseous and vomited into my bathroom sink. My chest pains were getting worse and worse, and I then was pretty sure I might be having a heart attack. I was only 40 years old, but have a strong history of heart disease in my family and have lost many close relatives to heart attacks. Having just lost my health insurance, all I could think of was how was I going to pay the medical bills from a heart attack! I had worked all my life to buy my home and land, and worried as I drove myself to the hospital that I might loose my home for medical bills. I drove myself to the hospital instead of calling an ambulance because I didn’t know how I would pay the ambulance!Anyway, I made it to the ER where they immediately took me in and hooked me up to an EKG, and the doctor told me, “Mr. Beecham, you ARE indeed having a heart attack.” I replied, “Yes, I think I am,” and then instantly I was in a different place — NOT the hospital, but a beautiful peaceful place and I felt the opposite of pain I felt euphoria. I was bathed in a warm, white light, and standing there with me was my aunt Gaytha Barnhill, who had died the previous year of cancer. She was my dad’s baby sister and we were very close. Cancer had ravaged her body, and when she died she didn’t even look like herself, but now she looked so beautiful and she glowed as if she were radiated. She didn’t speak, rather she communicated with me anyway; I could just read her mind and know what she was telling me. She pointed to an image, something I can only describe as a HUGE billboard or photo of a man, and I understood this man was GOD. Previous to this, I was atheist. She pointed to this image and I knew she knew I understood what she was telling me; that GOD IS REAL and he is in control and HE LOVED ME. Then the next moment, I was back at the hospital but in a “shell,” that shell being my body. I had no feeling whatsoever and it was like I was an observer in this, not a participant. I could hear everything the doctors and nurses were saying, I could see my chest rise and fall as a nurse squeezed a bag pushing air into me, and I was aware another nurse was giving me CPR, but I could not feel anything, but had NO pain medications at this point. Then I heard a nurse say, “He’s back,” and immediately the agonizing pain was back too. The pain was so bad it shot through my body like lightning and it was unstoppable. No matter how much I begged for pain relief, they wouldn’t give me anything for fear it would put me back into cardiac arrest.They were vigilant, however. and I’m so grateful to them and all who helped me through, but I know it was GOD who sent me back. I often wonder why I was only allowed to see the “image” of GOD and not HIM in “person” like I saw my aunt “in person”, but I realize that’s only for HIM to know as I am not capable of thinking or reasoning on such a superior level as HIS”

  272. Comment 290,

    I am talking about the State not the Electoral boundaries.

    Of course the party in power manipulates the Electoral boundaries to their advantage.

    That is another issue.

    But no one can change the State boundaries which is the important issue as far as devolution of power is concerned.

    Srilanka has the advantage of picking the best attributes from the US and Australia and elsewhere to get the best possible model.

  273. 278. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan
    Your arguments for no disintegration of the British assembled “India” certainly valid. However, you disregard the 800 lb gorilla in this mix – the inevitable Hindu-Muslim collision that is going to happen in India sooner or later.

    The West is getting ready to abandon Afghanistan to the Taliban. They simply do not have the stomach for a long drawn out war, which is already in its 10th year. Pakistan is already out of control. There is a good chance there will be a nuclear armed fundamental Islamic country on India’s border in the next 10-20 years. That is when the fun will start.

    So to me the question is how will India react? If they don’t get it right, there is a good chance that all this will also tear India apart. Not that I would like that, because a disintegrated India would mean huge problems for Sri Lanka as well.

  274. Comment 288,

    How ridiculous to suggest that a Government can implant fixed ratios of population in any part let alone in Jaffna?

    Population distribution should be a natural growth based mainly on Economic and other Social activities in a region.

    Are we to suggest that the population of Colombo must also be 15 percent Tamil, 5 percent Muslims and 80 percent Tamil?

    What we need is to amalgamate the old provinces into a fewer number.with the population equally distributed.

    In such a scenario, devolution of political power to Provinces which is the main demand of the minority can be easily accommodated.

  275. 287. shankar
    indians such as you are lucky that nehru had the wisdom and avoided all that we have gone through.
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    Have you forgotten the carnage during the Partition and subsequent Hindu-Muslim clashes?

  276. #280 Puma & 289 Nostradamus

    “Diyasena will soon start seeing Sinhala script in the caves of Kabul and Kandahar.”

    Afganistan and Pakistan though Buddhist were never Sinhala. We have never claimed exclusive homelands in other people’s lands (at worst) or common lands (at best), that is the trade of Eelamists..

    “He is still suffering from Bamiyan syndrome”

    What the Taliban did in Bamiyan the Tamizhbans of the LTTE and their predecessors did in the North and East..Destroying evidence of other people’s history to claim exclusivity and cultural purity of land..Both of them were bitten in the arse by Karma eventually

    “Two weeks before was saying Ramayana is a plagiarized version of Iliad”

    There is no archaelogical evidence to prove the Ramayan story, though there is some evidence to prove the existence of Troy (yet our Tourism industry makes millions by marketing a bogus Ramayan trail to gullible people)… The storylines have several similarities apart from the religious bias of the Ramayana… The Illiad predates the Ramayana by at least four centuries..

  277. “For example let us just take a figure. If outside the north and east the tamils are 15 percent and the muslims are 5 percent and the sinhalese are 80 percent. Then in the north there should be 15 percent sinhaalese and 5 percent muslims, and settlement for this to happen will be facilitated by the central government. The provincial councils may have some powers in this matter for a smooth transition, but the main responsibility will be with the central authorities.”

    1. This should be a minimum target for some powers (i.e. land/ police) being released to the provinces and five yearly review. If these targets are not acheived with 5% leeway (of the actual amount i.e. if the Target is 15%, then 14.25%), those powers revert to the centre for a period of 5 years.

    2. There cannot be any discriminatory laws hindering natural migration of individuals to any part of the island..

  278. #294 Godzilla
    “Population distribution should be a natural growth based mainly on Economic and other Social activities in a region”

    What Shankar and Navin are referring to is the minimum ethnic ratio, a region has to maintain in order to gain some of the powers decentralised/ devolved..

    There will be NO hindrance to natural migration of individuals based on economic activities in a regions..That will be guaranteed in a bill of rights

  279. The populations of North Central and Northeastern (in the proposal we are discussing, NOT the present) are scarce compared to the other 3 regions. Yet they get higher amounts of land or coastline. That means more land per person.

    So for these two provinces the rations should be 160% (i.e. 24% if the national ratio is 15%)..We cannot rely on pure percentages, the actual population sizes need to be weighted in..

  280. Coment 286,

    What about land?

    Of course a person with a proper and authentic certificate of title should have that particular land as specified in the title.

    How can that be contentious when there are Judicial means to resolve any ownership issues.

    Unfortunately I am one who never had a piece of land.

    I will never have one going by the 5 digits plus in Sterling Pounds that they ask for land now./

  281. 296 Diyasena
    Thank you Puma for your guidance.
    I think you can become the president of SL to wipe out the tamil race. You have more vengeance and hatred against tamils than Rajapakse brothers.
    Here is my response to your coined word tamil’+’talibans’=tamizhbans

    sinhalese + nazist = sinazese
    sinhalese + facist = Fahalese
    sinhalese + al qaeda = sin qaeda for which osamapaksa is the supremo and diyazawahiri is the deputy supremo
    sinhalese + barbaric = sinbarese
    sinhalese + mercenary = sincenaries
    sinhalese + cannibals = sinhabalese

    and many more on the pipeline

  282. Comment 278,

    Even if the commissions taken by the State Govnt Politicians and the Officials is a fraction of the alleged 20 percent that went to their pockets from the 2010 Delhi Games constructions. it must be colossal in Indian Rupees.

    The allegations came from the very people whom these posters think can’t do anything wrong.

    India is a powder keg . It is kept in place by the Central Govnt by mollycddling and appaesing the State politicians some of whom should be in geriatric care.

    For Srilankans there is no need to look furthur than the Sethu Channel l to see the past records of the Jayalakithas when it come corruption.

    These leaders are the ones who keep their subjects on good behavior feeding them crumbs.

    The Central Govt on the other hand watch them like hawks for any sign of Terror activities.

    Still there are many armed groups operating in various states.

    For Foriegn powers in the West India is the second main outlet for their wares ,which keep their economies ticking along nicely.

    As long as that rolls on these powers would not stir the pot.

    If India becomes as successful and dominant in the world as China is specially with respect to Military balance. then it will be a different story.

    Vaikos and neduramans will be then be among their favorites.

  283. Coment 286,

    What about land?

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    Ayyo Godzilla, koheda mecharakal hitiye? Hollywood?

    We are talking about state lands which are publicly owned that will come under provinces. Once power to appropriate land is devolved each province decides what to do with state land under its control. Unless there are some safeguards, Eelamists can use power to appropriate state land to distribute all public land in the North among themselves essentially blocking Sinhalese from the North. This is why land is a contentious issue.

    So we are saying, each province should have an immigration scheme like some of these western countries to attract minorities from other provinces. Unless a province maintains its minority ratio at an acceptable level the province will not have power to appropriate state land to residents of that province or development. They can still do so but with the approval of the central government. If the province has a good ethnic composition, then province does not need the consent of the center to use its land.

    One of the major complaints regarding colonization was the government was settling “bad” people in Tamils areas. So now we are leaving it in the hands of the Tamils to decide whom among the Sinhalese they want to invite to settle in the North (we don’t care whether they get doctors or farmers or soldiers), where to settle them (of course if the Tamils offer them some shitty piece of land, good Sinhalese will not migrate to North), when to do it. The central government is now out of the loop. Its a contract between the person who is migrating to the province and the provincial government.

    All this is in addition to the natural migration which is allowed without any restriction.

  284. # 293. Ranjan, Toronto

    A dis-integrated India is always a possibility. It has both advantages and disadvantages, if that happens.

    At the moment Indians are happy, as united India. There is no need to speculate and unduly worry about what would happen in future.

  285. 291. shankar:- Good that you shared this story with us. I have heard such stories many times and it always follows a pattern. Therefore they are probably true experiences. But the lesson this teaches us is life is short and we are on a short mission. In that time we can either make strife to our fellow humans or make their life easier.

  286. Ranjan (293) ….The many worlds of India, I suspect, will survive as it did the massive Babri Masjid volcano despite a highly charged, resourceful, Islamic fundamentalist presence from outside in the vicinity with the awowed goal of destroying India.

    India has a moral and constitutional duty to protect and offer security to the peaceful millions of Indian Muslims within her. She has established her credentials to ensure this in many ways. Hindu society – particularly the more educated at the higher tiers (Arundathi Roy, Kuldip Nayar, N. Ram, Shekar Gupta and the political leadership are good examples) will ensure this. Doubtless there will be occasional skirmishes here and there.

    The West may abandon Afghanistan – for different reasons. But they are likely to get Bin Laden.Those who protect him (in Waziristan??) for big money will get exposed. In last Sunday’s Fareed Zakaria’s popular programme (CNN) it was only diplomatic compulsions that prevented Richard Holbrooke from acknowledging he is there. Saddam, Iran, Bin Laden are all in the USA’s wanted list for the 9/11 national indignity. As a proud nation – and more as the world’s greatest known power – they have a right to react against those who harmed them.

    I am afrad the spectre of a nuclear holocaust in the area continues to be real. If roguish elements get their hands on them either in this region or North Korea it will be the end of history.

    ISS

  287. 255. Dear Yogesh,
    You seem to have misunderstood my contribution at 17. The issue is Tamil politics have always been led by Jaffna people who had always been much privileged than their other brethren. I don’t agree with you that Tamils of north and east are on the same league. I am making this judgment thru my experience of living with these people and if you think that is BS, so be it. Piyasena was pressurised by this mob of TNA to follow the traditional line but being a smart fellow who had the best interest of the Ampara Tamils in his heart, he jumped out. The privileges that Jaffna people have when compared with other Tamils is like cheese and chalk. This is the reality as I see but still the Jaffna leadership calls the shots on behalf of all other Tamils whom they just cannot represent.

    You are correct that similar cast structure and high mindedness exist among Singhalese but it is the Tamils who say they are getting screwed by Singhalese. If that is so, then they must look at those people who represent them closely. Because today, it is the Tamils who have borne the brunt of a brutal war. The issue does not so much impact on the singhalese.

    Prabakaren was a village boy born into a climate of anti Singhalese sentiment fuelled by the Jaffna dominated federal party. Therefore he decided he must do something to liberate his people. Today we see the carnage of these misguided actions.

    Some Tamils due to their hatred against the Singhalese, accuse Singhalese of everything conceivable. But logically, there were many chances Tamils failed to capitalise. For example, Prabakaren took a bribe and got Tamils not to vote which gave MR the chance to win an election. When VP was offered the north and east on a platter, he did not grab it. He was hell bent on killing and destroyed Rajiv. TNA supported SF against MR. At the last stages of war, VP formed a human shield which caused the death of many civilians. So Tamils cooked their own goose.

    Many Tamils are quick to say, they live a dog’s life in Srilanka. However, they don’t seem to realise that there are millions of Singhalese who live similar lives or even worse in many areas. The myth is a Singhalese government will look after Singhalese but this is not the reality. Among the poor, there is no difference between Singhalese and Tamil suffering masses.

    After thirty years of brutal war, Singhalese attitude has hardened very much. Tamils affected by ravages of war has to get their lives back to order. Therefore, rather than stirring the pot, they must act in a manner to get the best help possible

  288. 293. Ranjan, Toronto

    a disintegrated India would mean huge problems for Sri Lanka as well.

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    If India is dismembered then the Sri Lanka will also in most likely be dismembered.

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    295. Ranjan, Toronto

    Have you forgotten the carnage during the Partition and subsequent Hindu-Muslim clashes?

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    But for Nehru there would have been far more serious un controllable situation in India. Indeed Nehru is a son of Mother India. Even BJP will say that the Nation which has given birth to Nehru is blessed and is capable of producing many such exemplary characters.

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    296. Diyasena

    There was Budhism in Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan, in Malaysia and also in many other parts of the South East Asia.

    One peculiarity is that Islam entrenches itself in those places.

    The place which gave birth to the Gandhara art has now become an Islamic nation and its citizens have destroyed their own past by destroying the Bamiyan statues.

    Parts of Pakistan has also fallen under the influence of Islam.

    In our living memory the Malaysia has become a Islamic republic.

    Who will follow their path. One by one all the Budhist countries and societies are coming under the sway of Islam.

    What do you think about this?

  289. Comment 303,

    ——–Aiyooooo can’t afford even Bollywood let alone Hollywood.

    You are absolutely right pal.

    Under the current system it is lunacy to hand over crown land to the Provinces.

    What Srilanka need is a totally new system if there is going to be one under the pressure of the West or India or anyone else.

    It should be provinces with equal distribution of the population.

    Four Provinces with between 3to 5 Million will be ideal.

    It should be totally fool proof.

    We should take the best of all State Systems in the West and model ours to suit our landscape .

    The power sharing State Systems in the US and Australia that I am talking about have crown land under the States.

    No State in any of these countries give away land to anyone, whether they are American Indians or Australian Aboriginals.

    There is nothing call our land. Indigenous people who can prove that they have lived for generations as hunter gatherers roaming in remote areas can claim rights through courts. Even then they might get only limited access with Farming and Mining rights getting priority.

    Do we have any hunter gatherers ?

  290. #297-diyasena

    1. This should be a minimum target for some powers (i.e. land/ police) being released to the provinces and five yearly review. If these targets are not acheived with 5% leeway (of the actual amount i.e. if the Target is 15%, then 14.25%), those powers revert to the centre for a period of 5 years.
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    That will just delay a solution. Devolution and settlement can be done concurrently. Settlement in the north can be done by the central government after devolution is given. You only need a clause to say this will be done until the minimum ratio is achieved. After that settlement will be scrapped and natural migration takes its course. Godzilla’s argument of natural migration is not feasible, because i can’t see sinhalese running pell mell to the dry arid north, except for a good job or to do a business.

    Settlement in the other parts of the country is unnecessary because the sinhalese only have resentment that they are locked out of the north. We have to see all the resentments of both parties and fix them if we are going to be one big happy family again, hopefully permenantly this time.

    We don’t need to go further than smoothing the resentments, because it complicates things too much and for the average person understanding all this is hard enough, without complicating further.

  291. (275#) …Tamils, Hindus…can (should) exist as a sub-sect??? Whatever does this mean? I just happened to
    read this.

    ISS

  292. 308 Mahesh

    One by one all the Budhist countries and societies are coming under the sway of Islam.
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    That is the ebb and flow of human history. Civilizations rise and fall. A thousand years ago, Islam was much more widespread, extending from Spain to parts of Northern India. However, they lost most f that during the Crusades.

    I would not call that one by one all Buddhist counties are converting to Islam. Don’t forget that most of SE Asia, China, & Japan are all much more Buddhist than Islamic and most of these places, they are more likely to remain so or convert to Christianity than to Islam.

    The current expansion of Islam is mostly due to the oil economy. However that is not going to last another 50 years. That is not to say that Islam going to disappear, but it will be confined to local areas, just as Hinduism and Buddhism will be.

  293. 308. Mahesh:- I think a good start point is to analyse why Buddhism lost its grip in India. It was overtaken by the Hindu religion which is very simple for common people to understand as it has a god for nearly everything. Secondly Buddhist are not supposed to propagate their philosophy like Christians or Islam. Christ said spread the word of god among all people and make “fishes of men”. Thirdly the higher Buddhist concepts are difficult to be understood by common man. For instance Buddha defines 52 states of mind I think and goes to explain each and every one at length. Buddhism deals with the cultivation of ones mind and preaches compassion. This is why when Portuguese were chased out from SL Maritime Provinces by the Dutch around 1665, they went to Kandy and got the kings permission to build Franciscan churches there among Buddhist who did not seem to object. I also suspect, the lack of extreme retaliation by the successive Sinhala governments for the brutal killings done by Prabakaran spanning over the rule of four Sinhala Prime Ministers show the Buddhist influence.  Finally when it was realised, any form of negotiated deal was not possible and only brute force was the answer, MR pulled out all stops. We need to thank VP for MR’s rise to power and to aspiring dictatorship!

  294. 312. sjoseph

    I would ignore any article that has the sentence. “a Channel 4 investigation has reveled…”

  295. I observe many commenters’ in this block have taken molds and scaffoldings in their hands. Even though, they are looking attractive I think they have no second use because of their odd original designs. But you can cut in to pieces and recycle the material
    An Eelam citizen

  296. 315. Don
    One of the biggest reason for Buddhism to vanish from India was its attitude towards the caste system. In Buddhism there is really no place for a division of human beings based on caste. In Hindu society one’s caste is fundamental. So as long as Kings and rulers of the country were Buddhists, the religion was safe and the high-cast Brahamins could not touch it. But the moment Royal patronage of Buddhism was gone, the high-caste people of the society could take back the control and Buddhism went into decline. By the time the Muslim invaders appeared on the borders of India, the religion was already very weak and the Moguls dealt the fine coup-de-grace by destroying the great Buddhist institutions like Nalanda. What Taliban did in Bamiyan was just a continuation.

    In Sri Lanka, the situation was different. There was a almost a continuous line of Buddhist kings and Royalty to keep Buddhism going. You know what happened to Buddhist institutions during the short periods when South Indians were the rulers in Kandy or in areas where Colonial forces ruled. More importantly, Buddhism could be easily accommodated within the Sinhalese caste system which was mainly based on one’s profession. Even now, the caste plays some role only when marriages are arranged and Buddhism has very little to do with the marriage customs of Sinhalese.

    The decline of Buddhism in the world has many reasons. First and foremost, it is more of a philosophy rather than a religion. It is inward looking concentrating on one’s mind. It puts almost all the onus to better oneself on that person. You have to do it on your own rather than pray to an all mighty god(s) for help. It is very difficult for someone who is in need of help for some issue to look inwards for that help, rather than go to a church or a Kovil and pray for some god to bail you out. Buddhism has no “escape clauses”. A Christian can go to a church, confess your sins, and get absolution. Buddhism says every action has a reaction, so if you “sinned” you will pay. So Buddhism compared against other religions that offer instant salvation through praying to a higher being, might not appear that attractive or useful to the common man.

    Then on top of all that, Buddhism is extremely inclusive and tolerant, welcoming any and all other ideas, religions, philosophies into its fold. That is why without some form of safe-guards by either by a King or a civil government, Buddhism will wither away in a country.

    After almost 500 years of Colonial rule, Buddhism was in a very bad state in Sri Lanka at the end of 19th century and the beginning of the 20th. In fact some of the Buddhist rituals had completely disappeared from the country and they had to bring monks and priests from Burma (Myanmar) to revive those in Sri Lanka.

  297. Ranjan (#319) Prince Siddartha’s royal lineage came into the category of Sanatana Dharma – the guiding feature of society of Bharat from time immemorial. In the latter day prism it is known as Hinduism (a very likely Arab coinage for people living along the banks of the Indus river) As you know, Indus only touches a smaller part of India whereas Sanatana Dharma was all prevalent. Prince Siddartha was gifted with exceptionally sharp intellect. As someone says in today’s yardstick of IQ – where 100% is considered very high, his went into thousands. Although his father did not want him to see the miseries of life around him the moment he was adult and went around, he wondered why some are poor and others rich; why some suffered physical deformities while others did not; the cause of unhappiness and so on. He concluded the cause of all evil was grief and dedicated his life to conquer that which causes grief. His sharp thinking drew many around him and he was referred to as Buddha – the wise one. In Tamil this will be Buddhi/Puththi and in the North Indian languages Buddh. When he found Brahminism dominated society in all its forms -, somewhat unduly, he began to question. He found the dominant caste system flawed. To that extent he is one of our original social thinkers – far ahead of his time. He did not begin the institution of a religion. He was already in one.

    As to your comment Sinhala kings throughout maintained and developed Buddhism as we know it, please remember some of them were Tamils – and this was inevitable with the great Indian land mass
    in the vicinity.

    The Buddhist philosophy, even among thinkers, has not lost its following. It can be argued there are still many following this religion that is based on compassion, a tranquil mind and its attitutude of justice towards man and beast. It does not seek to impose on others and neither it encourage violence. Both in word and deed the Buddha’s teachings were based on love, peace and accomodation. Even before Sir Edwin Arnold brought the thoughts of the Buddha to Western audiences. Socrates and others were formulating their own free thinking. Socrates thought what matters most is how we ought to live. His basic question was “what is justice” which is no different to the Buddha’s approach. Other Ancient Civilisations like China, Persia also produced thinkers and philosphers as effective as the Greeks and Romans.

    Sadly, in modern times religion has been hijacked and is often a tool and launch-pad of politicians, the evil and the manipulative. In the process all that is good and pure in religions suffered. That is the sad tale of Buddhism in Burma and Thailand as well,where there are large followers. This is not the fate of Buddhism alone Other religions in many countries too have fallen prey. Arguably, the great thinkers of
    Western Philosophy – particularly around the 16-17th centuries – persuaded their people/State to separate religion and governance. We now see this has done them well – and to the USA/Canada that came into being in the late 18th century.

    These are merely some of what I have read. I do not seek to teach. I am open to learn more from those who have done deep studies in this interesting subject.

    ISS.

  298. ISS,

    He concluded the cause of all evil was grief

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    Buddha never said evil was caused by grief.

    Aside from that you need to find a way to reconcile your intolerance towards state patronage of Buddhism in Sri Lanka. That’s my two cents worth for you.

  299. Kinniya waters are captured from the LTTE terrorists two weeks ago, and will be transformed a into a bud dished shrine.

    Long live Srilanka, thanks to Karuna , Pilliyan and other collaborators, more to come wait and see guys.

  300. Theravada buddhism followed in Srilanka, make a distinction between Monks and non monks. Only monks can go to heaven, others are not.

    Theravada’s fundamentalist principles are blindly followed in srilanka .It speaks volume for hatred and violence is spread among people.

    Mahayana Buddhism on the other hand seems to have more reasonable followers.

  301. 323. sjoseph:

    Theravada buddhism followed in Srilanka, make a distinction between Monks and non monks. Only monks can go to heaven, others are not.

    Theravada’s fundamentalist principles are blindly followed in srilanka .It speaks volume for hatred and violence is spread among people.

    Mahayana Buddhism on the other hand seems to have more reasonable followers.

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    According to Theravadha Buddhism primary cause of suffering is Avidya. Avidya means ignorance “or” delusion.

  302. Buddhist belief:
    Dukkha Samudaya (cause of suffering): Craving, which leads to Attachment and Bondage, is the cause of suffering

    If Therava Buddhists & monks believe above, why do they crave for the North east., which is homeland for Tamils for the past few centuries.

    Is there no space left out for Buddhists to live in rest of the srilanka?

  303. 327. sjoseph:

    North east., which is homeland for Tamils for the past few centuries

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    North east., was also an integral part of the homeland of the Sinhalese for the past few centuries.

  304. 323. sjoseph
    Theravada buddhism followed in Srilanka, make a distinction between Monks and non monks. Only monks can go to heaven, others are not.
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    In Buddhism, no one goes to heaven, either a monk or a lay person. You are just showing your ignorance.

  305. Ranjan, Navin, ISS and my other friends,

    Swami Vivekananda said that Christianity is the logical conclusion of the Judaism and likewise Budhism is the logical conclusion of Hinduism.

    He would also attribute the downfall of the India on the effects of the Budhism.

    There are ebbs and flows in the national current. Budha represented the highest peak and from that you cannot go still farther.

    Then came the fall.

    The system glorified the renunciation and too many people took up to the monk hood which certainly brought down the standards of the society.

    Also Vamachara or corruption entered the sangha. That was also the reason for the downfall.

    The tantra forms of worship evolved from the degraded Budhism.

    Before the advent of the Budhism yagas were performed. After the advent of Budhism these were considered low and people had to go to forests or do it very early in the morning before the Sun even peeps out.

    That is the reason why Ganapathi homams and other homams are performed very early even now.

    The image of God was shunned in the period of Budhists and with the downfall of that religion came gorgeous temples, grand ceremonies etc.

    Before the advent of Budhism the Bramins were partaking meat. The Bramins were turned into vegetarians due to the effect of the Budhism.

    The Hinduism took some good things in the Budhism and repackaged the religion and gave it to the masses.

    The Man who said nothing about God was made into a God.

    What Ranjan said above was true.

    There is nobody to help you out. You help yourself.

    You answer your own prayers so said Swami Vivekananda in his Raja Yoga lectures.

    But the common man wants some symbols some rituals to hold on.

    The Hinduism provided this in the forms of many an image of Gods.

    In Budhism it was not possible and therefore they made a God out of Budha.

    When I read light of Asia I was moved at many a places.

    ‘How is it that Brahm (GOD) being good and powerful keeps the world in misery’. If all powerful and keeps it so then he is not good. If not powerful he is not God’.

    This is one of my favorite quotes.

    I sometimes wonder how this great man has all but been forgotten from the land of his birth.

    May be as Christ said ‘the prophet is respected everywhere excepting his own home town’. ‘Like there is shadow under the lamp though it gives light to the entire room’.

    We have forgotten Him. Whereas half the world worships him and reveres our country because of this Greatest Human being.

    I do not dare to call Him man. Though he was a man in flesh and blood and lived amongst us, He is a God.

  306. #325
    That is why we all are regularly visiting this site in order to appreciate Vidya.
    An Eelam citizen

  307. # 329. Ranjan, Toronto
    Can the Vidya (all knowing?) clarify the difference between Monk and a Non monk w.r.t Heaven, salvation , Moksha etc

  308. 319 Ranjan. There is only one thing I do not agree. Monks were not brought from Burma to revive the Buddhist rituals but because there were no Theravadah monks left at that time to give the higher ordination (Upasampadava) to the SL Buddhist monks. This was because the king before this time, I think Rajasinghe2 killed the older monks. This king was the last Singhalese king of SL.

    320. ISS:- I know that the last three Malabar men who ruled SL as kings of  Kandy supported Buddhism superficially because they wanted to be in power but they were really Hindu’s and built Hindu temples next to Buddhist temples for them to worship. I do not think they were Tamil’s. They did not come from a Royal family. Infact, during the reign of Rajadi Rajasinghe, the Singhalese Adigars Samanakkody and Lewke plotted to over throw him and put a prince From Burma to the throne. The main grouse being he was not a Buddhist king! But I do agree with most of your comment.

    331. Mahesh:= I am in agreement with all you say except  “Buddhism is the logical conclusion of Hinduism” In my mind, they have huge differences but many say Buddhism came from Hinduism because Buddha was a Hindu. I don’t agree. I believe Buddha may have been influenced by Jainism because there was lot of Jains in his time. Example, Buddha’s opposition to taking life and killing animals is supposed to have come from Jains.

    324. Nostradamus  |Never heard of a ” fishes of men ” narrative before. Guess it is a faux pas..
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    No it is not. Ask you Christian friends. Sorry, you got warped thinking. 

  309. # 328. Navin

    327. sjoseph:

    North east., which is homeland for Tamils for the past few centuries

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    North east., was also an integral part of the homeland of the Sinhalese for the past few centuries.

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    Even, if claims of both ethnicity are accepted, Tamils are the majority people in North/East and they should be allowed to rule/govern on their own.

    If both Tamils/Sinhalese should be part of a integral rule of Sinhalese, a secular government which represent both ethnicity is the right solution.

    If monks/Buddhist desire to have a buddhist (patronage)state, they should give up the craving for north east.

  310. Grateful Geet (#330) for sharing your research with us. How long can falsehood be imposed on an entire people. Among the Sinhalese there are thousands of gifted, educated and people of high intellect who will question
    questionable re-constructs. The Goigama, Karawe schism cannot be wished away. Before some calamity – – such as the one that was about to occur in Kandy a few months when that Conclave of the Maha Sangha was to take place – we saw that is likely to be in store; It shocked the country when a group of militantly-policiticised monks threatened to bomb the Kadny High temples and make monk blood flow until the meeting of some 30,000 Monks called to “prevent the country from trumoil” was immediately cancelled..
    Dialogue is the way out as that serene meeting between the Pople and the Archbishop of Canterbury
    showed the world recently when they met in Englan across their ecclesiastical differences of many centuries that also consued much of their own blood..

    ISS

  311. 333. sjoseph

    Your question is confusing and I am not a Buddhist scholar by any standard but I will try to explain they way I see it.

    Going back to first principles, the aim of Buddhism is to provide a path for anyone who wants to break the unending cycle of birth and rebirth and attain Nirvana which according to Buddha is the final enlightened state that one should strive for.

    Buddha spoke about four noble truths, which basically says that the cycle of birth and rebirth is a form of suffering and the caused by craving (possession, greed and wanting). The third truth he spoke about is the reasons for stopping this never ending cycle of suffering (attending Nirvana) and the final truth is the path to do it.

    The final truth – the path to end suffering, is the famous 8-fold path of Buddhism. This 8 step process defines 8 states of one’s mind that one has to sequentially attain or strive for with the eighth or the final state being the state of Nirvana. The bulk of the Buddhist discourse involves explaining the meaning and interpretations related to four nobal truths and techniques and processes that one has to use when following the 8-fold path.

    Now where does vidya and avidya comes in to this? One of the reason for craving (suffering) is avidya (or delusion, or not rightful thinking) and vidya is the opposite – one of the factors that one should process as you move up the 8th fold path.

    Monks are merely teachers in this whole process. A lay Buddhist is supposed to follow the 5 percepts of no killing, laying, stealing, partaking intoxicants, and sexual misconduct. That is to give you the basic disciplines of life and use those as a foundation to greater states. A Theravada monk is someone who has been ordained and trained to teach Buddhism to lay people and are held to more discipline than 5 percepts. That is the basic difference between a monk and a lay person. Are the monks people who are further ahead in the 8-fold path than a normal person? In general no, however they may be individual monks who have studied Buddhist philosophy and practiced techniques that allowed them to be at a point further in the path. By the same token, there could be a person who is not a monk but who has studied and followed the aforementioned processes and techniques that he or she is further ahead in the 8-fold path leading to Nirvana.

    The answer to your question, can vidya clarify the difference between Monk and a Non monk? I don’t think so, although one could argue that monks having better understanding of Buddhism should process more vidya than an ordinary person.

    This is my understanding of the whole concept. I apologies in advance to anyone if I am incorrect and I would invite anyone who is more knowledgeable in these matters to educate me.

  312. 334. Don
    I believe Buddha may have been influenced by Jainism because there was lot of Jains in his time. Example, Buddha’s opposition to taking life and killing animals is supposed to have come from Jains.
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    That is not correct. Buddha and the Jain leader (Mahaveera) were contemporaries although in physically far apart locations in India. Scholars believe that both lines of thoughts arose independently as a reaction against the Brahamin-lead Hindu society that was present during that time. Obviously both Buddhism and Jainism have some elements that have been derived from Hinduism but to say (not you but Mahesh) that Buddhism is the logical conclusion of Hinduism is utterly wrong.

    336 ISS
    I would like to know what is this Govigama – Karava schism that you are talking about.

  313. #337-ranjan, toronto

    (5 percepts of no killing, laying, stealing, partaking intoxicants, and sexual misconduct. )
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    You have joined the rajapakshes in trying to stop the only affordable enjoyment srilankan’s have other than teledramas.

    Unless you were meaning lying.
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    334-don

    ( I know that the last three Malabar men who ruled SL as kings of  Kandy)
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    They did not rule srilanka. There were seperate kings for the jaffna kingdom and kotte kingdom. Therein lies the root cause of the problem in uniting the people into one country, without constant bickering and suspicion, which is diverting our concentration from the economy and environment factors. That is why we have to follow nehru’s path of devolution for srilanka with a minimum of 3 provinces. diyasena’s 5 provinces is brilliant, because he has taken into consideration many factors in demarcating them.
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    #328-navin

    I noticed in your reply to sjoseph, you have ducked his question on craving. Whether the northeast was yours or ours why crave for it when someone else is living there. I agree with you that craving for something that does not belong to you is worse than craving for something that would have belonged to you at one time, and you made that distinction very well, but ducked the Lord Bhuddhas edict on craving. He did not make a distinction on whether you would have owned something or not.

  314. # 337. Ranjan, Toronto

    My analysis is:

    Theravada buddhism followed in Srilanka, makes a distinction between Monks and non monks. Only monks can attain enlightment (heaven, No rebirth etc ) others are not make it in this birth. May be in next birth

    This kind of fundamentalist doctrine drives common people crazy and to become a monk (though they are not spiritual minded and immatured).

    The society then will have many undesirable monks, who create inbalance in society’s thoughts and the way they treat other ethnicity/religions. Religiosity takes over the religion and hatred and divisons are spread in people instead of love.

    The conclusion is: Theravada Buddhism and Monks are the culprit for srilanka’s social unrest.

  315. 338. Ranjan, Toronto:- I cannot comment anything more about Jainism than what I have said due to lack of knowledge. But I agree with you that Mahesh comment that Buddhism is the logical conclusion of Hinduism is wrong. At 337 you have written a very good comment on Buddhist Philosophy but I don’t think Joseph may understand it as I don’t think he has any in-depth knowledge about Buddhism. Nothing against Joseph because this is quite a usual occurrence because the Buddhist Philosophy can be complex and you are only explaining the shallow end of it. Further many people like Joseph think Buddhism is what they see as being practiced and this gives a distorted picture.

  316. # 334 Don

    ……………..No it is not. Ask you Christian friends. Sorry, you got warped thinking…………………..

    I did check with my Christian friends. They think that you should refrain from revising the Bible. Sorry pal.

  317. 340. sjoseph
    Your analysis and conclusion is like that of the 7 blind men who had to describe what an elephant is after touching him.
    But that is OK, it is your opinion to keep. As they say, sometimes ignorance is bliss.

  318. 339. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan:

    No. ISS. I didn’t shy away from sjoseph question. I have neither the time nor the interest to respond to all the idiotic and ignorant questions that people ask here.

  319. (339#) How did my name come in here? I had absolutely nothing to do with this post or comments thereto

    ISS

  320. 227. Diyasena,

    To give you the right inofrmation. Jesus was not a fisherman by profession but many of Jesus’ deciples were.

    Fish was the symbol of the first apostles / christians. The cross became the symbol many centuries later.

    There is no mention about Jesus’ job in the new testemont. Only job we could imply may be carpentary.

  321. # 339. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan

    ISS, there is no choice other than ducking the question on craving.
    Idiotism and fundamentalism cannot be explained with reasons.

  322. # 343. Ranjan, Toronto

    My analysis is based on reasons and the core issue afflicting srilanka.

    Ignorance is surely a bliss compare to enlightment on delusions. .

  323. 334. Don
    I believe Buddha may have been influenced by Jainism because there was lot of Jains in his time. Example, Buddha’s opposition to taking life and killing animals is supposed to have come from Jains.
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    338. Ranjan, Toronto
    That is not correct. Buddha and the Jain leader (Mahaveera) were contemporaries although in physically far apart locations in India.
    ———————————————————-

    Don Probably is right.
    Jainism came way before Mahavira who is only the 24th Jain Thirthankara and lived during 599-527 BCE.

    On the other hand the time of Siddhārtha Gautama’s birth and death are uncertain: most early 20th-century historians dated his lifetime as c. 563 BCE to 483 BCE, but more recent opinion dates his death to between 486 and 483 BCE or, according to some, between 411 and 400 BCE.
    Jainism, which its followers consider to have always existed,has prehistoric origins dating before 3000 BC, and before the beginning of Indo-Aryan culture. Organized Jainism is believed by historians to have arisen between the ninth and the sixth centuries BCE. Some have speculated that the religion may have its roots in much earlier times, reflecting native spirituality prior to the Indo-Aryan migration into India.

    Jains believe that to attain enlightenment and ultimately liberation, one must practice the following ethical principles (major vows) in thought, speech and action. The degree to which these principles are practiced is different for householders and monks. They are:
    –Non-violence (Ahimsa)
    –Truthfulness (Satya)
    –Non-stealing (Asteya)
    –Celibacy (Brahmacharya)
    –Non-possession or Non-materialism (Aparigraha)

    This generally cover the 5 percepts of Sri Lankan(Theravada) Buddhism as per Ranjan #337 – no killing, laying, stealing, partaking intoxicants, and sexual misconduct –
    with non-possession missing.
    ….
    338. Ranjan, Toronto
    “I would like to know what is this Govigama – Karava schism ”
    ———————————————————-
    Have you ever wondered:

    -What is the origin, reason or necessity for the
    Siyam Nikaya
    Amarapura(Burma) Nikaya , and
    Ramanna Nikaya
    with many sub orders amongst the SL Buddhists ?

    -Why the Bhikkhuni or Bhikṣuṇī Sangha died out in Sri Lanka in the 11th century ?
    As they say, sometimes ignorance is bliss.

  324. 345. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan | October 31st, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    (339#) How did my name come in here? I had absolutely nothing to do with this post or comments thereto

    ISS

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    Its gods work. Miracles do happen, you know.

  325. 342. Nostradamus | I did check with my Christian friends. They think that you should refrain from revising the Bible. Sorry pal.
    ————————————————————————
    Mattew chapter4 verse 19 quotes Jesus’ own words “come follow me and I will make you fishes of men”

    This, Jesus said to Simon(his Hebrew name) also called Peter (his Greek name) and his brother Andrew when Jesus was trying to recruit his first disciples. These two people were fisherman in profession.

    So if you think I concocted the fishes of men story, you got deceptive thinking

  326. 350. Mahesh :–This article you quote from Swami Vivekananda is quite crazy and I don’t think he ever said these things or may be he is telling these things in a different context or some crazy guy wrote it. 

    For example it says “The relation between Hinduism and Buddhism is nearly the same as between Judaism and Christianity”
    While Judaism and Christianity are at logger heads, same is not true with Buddhism and Hinduism. 

    More crazy comments follow:-

    “Hindus have accepted Shâkya Muni as God and worship him”

    When all the time Buddha never ever said he was God and never pretended he was. Swami Vivekananda did not know this?

     “At the present day there is not one who calls oneself a Buddhist in India, the land of its birth.” !!!!!!!

  327. 349. Geet

    I know how and why the different Nikayas of Sri Lankan Buddhism came into being. They are a reflection of the caste system that was practiced among Sinhalese.
    However, the Buddhism that is preached in these different Nikayas are pretty much identical except for some minor variations in rituals which reflects different cultural variations that exist in different castes and geographical areas of the island. But what is more important is that there is no restriction at all on a person of one caste visiting and praying in a temple of a different caste. For example, the Temple of the Sacred Tooth in Kandy is venerated by all Buddhists but it is administered and run by the Ramana Nikaya. In comparison, there are many Hindu temples/kovils in Jaffna that the low-caste folks are not allowed even step inside, let alone pray.

    The traditional caste system is fast disappearing from Sinhala society, not because Buddhism dictates it, or because a politician decreed that from now on there will be no caste divisions among the people, but simply because of practical realities and human nature. More and more women are entering the workforce and when young people meet and mix they don’t do it based on the caste, but they associate and marry each other because they like each other.

    Unfortunately, as the traditional caste system withers away, a different caste system is emerging in Sri Lanka which is based on money. The very rich associate and marry only from the very rich, kids who studied in International schools and went to foreign universities are looking for partners of that background, etc. In this system, they don’t care if you are Govi or Karava or even Tamil but they want to know if you go to London for Chrismas or studied at University of Melborne and if you have a house down in Cinnamon Gardens and listen to Hip-hop and rap.

  328. #331 Mahesh
    “I do not dare to call Him man. Though he was a man in flesh and blood and lived amongst us, He is a God.”
    Your quotation about Buddha ring a bell what contemporary Alfred Einstein said about Mohandas Gandhi.
    An Eelam citizen

  329. 327/ Sjoseph,
    331/ Mahesh
    334/ Don

    Please bo good to do not try to teach about Buddhism /Buddha.

    As a buddhist certainly I know better tahn you.
    What I want you to emphasis is your comments are not genuining . It is containing a hidden agendia.

    If you want to discuss about Buddha/ Buddhism in open mind I prepare fo if.

    or

    If you want to critisise about buddhists claim in North and Eaet, I too prepare to inswere it.

    You guys are not the first persons who trying to teach us about Biddha/ Buddhism. and so called tamil homeland.

    samarasekara

  330. 349. Geet

    Jains believe that to attain enlightenment and ultimately liberation, one must practice the following ethical principles (major vows) in thought, speech and action. The degree to which these principles are practiced is different for householders and monks. They are:
    –Non-violence (Ahimsa)
    –Truthfulness (Satya)
    –Non-stealing (Asteya)
    –Celibacy (Brahmacharya)
    –Non-possession or Non-materialism (Aparigraha)

    ——————————-

    All these things come under Yama and niyama. That is the basic level to go after the samadhi the realization of the self.

  331. 353. Don

    Those were indeed the words of Swami Vivekananda.

    He has said in the similiar vein a number of times.

    Yes. Hindus revere him as an incarnation of Lord Vishnu.

    Read before criticizing him.

    —————————–

    356. samarasekara

    Budha is one of my fav historical persons and why should I bad mouth him.

    Again those words that you were referring to were not my words. They were the words of Swami Vivekananda.

    If you read the original words of Swami Vivekananda you would know how much he loved him.

    Even in his younger days Swamiji would lock himself up in a room and meditate.

    Once in such a time he saw some divine person come into in his closed room.

    That divine person was so full of compassion and love.

    But Swamiji, then a little boy was scared about it and shouted and opened the gates of the room and went away.

    Later he would go into meditation in that room many a number of times. He would not see such a divine person again.

    when asked by some body who that divine person was he would say ‘I believe it to be Lord Budha’,

  332. 353. Don

    “At the present day there is not one who calls oneself a Buddhist in India, the land of its birth.” !!!!!!!
    ————————-

    This is also true. there are very very few so few that you can very easily say almost no budhists left in India.

    ———————–

  333. # 356. samarasekara
    What I want you to emphasis is your comments are not genuining . It is containing a hidden agendia.
    ————–
    My comments have no hiiden agenda.

    They are genuinely made to think and reflect on the source/cause of the conflict & suffering in srilanka.

    Tamil Terrorism is one of the effect. How about the cause?

  334. # 352 Don

    …………………So if you think I concocted the fishes of men story, you got deceptive thinking……………….

    Goodness gracious ! What version are you looking at ?

  335. 352. Don

    It is “fishers of men ” – Not “fishes of men”

    – I guess “Fishes & Fishers” have different meaning,

  336. # 341. Don
    Further many people like Joseph think Buddhism is what they see as being practiced and this gives a distorted picture.
    —————

    Gandhi said ” my life is my message”- Monks also can leave a message of Buddhism by practice in real life.

    Any good ideology or philosophy which is not practicsed is as good as dead.

    No one cares how much you know unless they know how much you care. (the people)

  337. #35-don

    For example it says “The relation between Hinduism and Buddhism is nearly the same as between Judaism and Christianity”
    While Judaism and Christianity are at logger heads, same is not true with Buddhism and Hinduism.
    ——————————————————-
    You are right about that. The gulf between judaism and christianity is vast because the core beliefs are different. The jews consider jesus a false prophet, whereas for christians he is son of god. Even the muslims are closer to christianity because they consider jesus a true prophet of god,whose message has been corrupted.

    On another note jews consider that christianity and islam are extensions of judaism, but with false interpretations.

    Christians consider islam a false religion, whereas judaism is considered a true one with incomplete revelation. islam considers both as having wrong beliefs and incomplete revelations.

    Only way to find out who is right or wrong is to wait till we die.

    One thing i’am convinced of is there is a greater being that created this universe. Whether it was due to the big bang theory or not, things are too perfect for any other conclusion. If the distance between the sun and earth was slightly reduced we would all fry up and if it was slightly more we would all freeze to death. So who made it that perfect distance?

    Also the moon is at the correct distance for gravity to create waves in the ocean. If not for the waves the ocean would have flooded the land. If there were no oceans, no rain and no water.

    Everything is too perfect. So instead of people constantly trying to find out which is the true religion, it is better if they accept that all roads lead to rome and all religions lead to one god.

  338. and don, coming back to your comment , swami vivekananda’s reference to relationship between hinduism and bhudhism is like the relationship between judaism and christianity, is probably referring to the fact that christianity is considered by jews to be an extension of judaism, and christians consider judaism as an incomplete revelation and christianity completes it.

  339. 349. Geet

    What you are telling is part of the Ashtanga Yoga, which begins with the yama, niyama etc.

    It all leads to the samadhi.

  340. # 364. shankar
    So instead of people constantly trying to find out which is the true religion, it is better if they accept that all roads lead to rome and all religions lead to one god
    ———-

    I want to add on..

    Even if you disagree with above, still respect other religions not because you respect the religion, but because you respect the people.

    Give enough space (freedom of will) to people from all religions, as long as it does not lead to fundamentalism and hatred in people.

  341. # 369. Don

    This could mean:
    “to fish for people”: “fishers of men”. – Believer ( fisher) evangelising a non-believer (fish).

    Another literal (uncommon) meaning:
    “to fish for people”: catching fishes for people.

  342. 364 Shankar
    One thing i’am convinced of is there is a greater being that created this universe. Whether it was due to the big bang theory or not, things are too perfect for any other conclusion. If the distance between the sun and earth was slightly reduced we would all fry up and if it was slightly more we would all freeze to death. So who made it that perfect distance?
    —————————————————-
    Life as we know arose because the earth was at the required distance from the sun and not the otherway around.

    As Stephen Hawking recently wrote “Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to set the universe going.”

    If we believe that a a greater being created the universe, then the question arises, who created the greater being?

  343. 360. sjoseph | November 1st, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    My comments have no hiiden agenda.They are genuinely made to think and reflect on the source/cause of the
    conflict & suffering in srilanka.Tamil Terrorism is one of the effect. How about the cause?
    —————————————————————————–
    Dear sjoseph,

    I will buy your reply as a genuing one.

    I too like your cause and effect analysis. It is the fundermental approach in buddhism.

    You admited that tamil tererism is the effect. So what is the cause? We will make simultanious effort to sort it out through the froutfull discussion.

    In other words what is the problems that Sri lankan tamils are facing?

    For the past 20 tears I also tried to find it out , but I was not capable to di it. If you capable enough to convince that there is a problem that tamils are facing I too stand for it.

    For the discussion pur pose I will elaborate your question as follows,

    What is the problem that Jaffna tamils are facing?
    What is the problem that Nothern tamils are facing?
    What is the problem that Up country tamils are facing?
    What is the problem that Colombo tamils are facing?

    don’t mixup with the problem and with aspirations. Aspirations are vary with person to person.
    Most tamil persons are telling that after the independence tamils are badly treated.
    Please be good to read the KANDIYN CONVENTION . We are aquring nothing but we gave to the British.

    Who was S.J.V.

    Was he Sri lankan. No he was a forigner who born from Malasia. He should developed his FEDERAL party in Malasia, but not here. Actually what is the real meaning of TAMIL ARASU KACHCHIE. It is not for Federal but seperate government. It was the aspiration of him and Jaffna tamil. but not a problem.

  344. 371. Ranjan,Toronto

    Great questioning Sir.

    I also some times believe that there is no God. We are the creators of our own destiny etc etc.

    But as we are human beings when we are pummeled with difficulties then we come to believe that there should be some higher being. May be we will submit to its authority then.

    In this the allegory of the Mundakopanishad is an apt one.

    There were two birds in a tree of same plumage. one was only a witness and it stood without any action in the top branch.

    The other one bird was in a low branch tasting various fruits, some tasty and some bitter.

    When it tasted some bitter fruits it sent an unpleasantness to it. At that time it looked at the bird perched at the higher branch,just sitting as a witness.

    On getting some exceptional batterings in the lower branch it hopped to the higher branches one by one till it reached the highest branch.

    And as it reached the bird perched in that branch its body slowly melted into that bird which was sitting there as a witness.

    Then it realized that there were no two birds but only one bird all the time.

    Ranjan when we get batterings in the world we look up for some support. That support is God.

    As you go near and near to Him you melt into Him or your own nature and find absolute bliss.

    I am a very weak person and therefore I require a personal God outside my self.

    ——————————–

    If we believe that a a greater being created the universe, then the question arises, who created the greater being?

    ——————————–

    To this kind of a question (similar one) Swami Vivekananda would say ‘I don’t know’.

    Please refer his Chicago addresses.

    ————————–

    why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to set the universe going.”

    ——————–

    But when you see the pattern, the geometry, symmetry, equations of the flowers, fruits seeds the different kinds of patterns that are created in an instant in the snow flakes (infinite number of hexagonal shapes) we feel that there is rhythm (Rutham vadishyami),

    Why should we be good. Why can’t we harm others and get away with it. What is virtue and vice. Why should i be virtuous and not vicious.

    We have to be good because this Universe has as its foundation the goodness, truth, virtue etc etc (Sathyam Vadhishyami).

    If we try to harm others we are harming our own selves because we are moving away from our own nature.

  345. # 369 Don

    The link below should guide you to spot your gaffe ! If you still insist on ” fishes of men “, then you have to show some proof.

    As Joseph said, it is ” fishers of men “. The stubbornness that you display is revealing.

    http://bible.cc/matthew/4-19.htm

  346. 365.364. shankar :- You have made the most sensible comment in this debate and I agree with you 100%. This is why I said, the Swami’s comments have been taken out of context.

    374. Nostradamus:- If you want to spit hairs, please go ahead and be my guest. I am not into that.

    363. sjoseph | ‘Any good ideology or philosophy which is not practiced is as good as dead”

    I have not seen any religion or philosophy that is practiced by the common people in the way it was set out by its founder. Because people interpret things in different ways, of course in good faith. There is always a ceremonial part and the serious part to any religion or philosophy. This is why Buddha said “do not worship me when I am dead” but because he knew people would nevertheless do that, he gave the people a stanza to chant while offering flowers. The chant is not a prayer to Buddha. However if you watch what the people are doing without knowing what Buddha said, then you would think people are offering prayers to Buddha.

    358. 359. Mahesh | If you read my comment closely, I have not critisised the Swami.

    I was in India around 1985 I think and I met many Buddhist at the Mahabodhi society? in Madras. In my thinking, there would have been more Buddhist around the time of Vivekananda who lived about 100yrs before that date.

  347. 372. samarasekara

    Actually what is the real meaning of TAMIL ARASU KACHCHIE. It is not for Federal but seperate government. It was the aspiration of him and Jaffna tamil. but not a problem.

    ———————–

    There is Tamil Nadu in India. Tamil Nadu means tamil country. does it mean we are a separate country?

    What does the Kandyan treaty or convention have to do with the present situation.

    It talks about the uprising of some Sinhalese chieftans against their King.

    The power of the Kingship was passed on from the King to the British.

    the Kandy didn’t suffer defeat it chose to surrender.

    The convention promised many things to the Sinhalese but it was partly over turned a few years later by the British. No special treatment later on.

    What does it have to do with the present situation.

    Again the King of the Kandy was a Tamil.

    ————————–

    What is the problem that Jaffna tamils are facing?
    What is the problem that Nothern tamils are facing?
    What is the problem that Up country tamils are facing?
    What is the problem that Colombo tamils are facing?

    ———————

    So without any problem all of your tamil population has gone as refugee status to the various western countries and also to India.

    There are holocast deniers even now. Likewise if you want to deny that the tamils have a problem in your country you can deny it.

  348. 358 Mahesh,

    Thanks very much for your coment.

    I have no idea about swamy vivakananda. Please be good to give some litreture about him.

    But I could not agree with you about last para. The GOITHAMA Buddha was dead.Because he obtained the enlighment he is not subject to be re- bone in any form. The word of enlighment is not containing same meaning as other religions mensioned.

    I am not trying to say that swamy vevakananda was telling lie. It was his imagine that the person in the divan was Buddha. May be oter powerfull soil .
    Buddha told dont depend upon other’s knowledge but study your self. Buddhism has not contain any secret .Buddha’s words contains 84,000 Dharmas. There are more less 18000 suthras. It is purely open to every body who interest to search. You better swetch on in internet on TIPITAKA you could find them in English, Pali and Sinhala language.
    The pali language is the language that Buddha used. I am not clear enough to use it. What I am doing is using Sinhala and English translations. I think you can use English translation.
    Thripitakaya contains 3 sections
    1 vinaya – it is relation with buddhist monks
    2 suthra- deegha ( longe) madyama ( middle) sanyukatha( short)
    3. abi dharma- Deep though
    I think 2 para is enouigh for the bigining

    Please be good to start to read these litreture.

    samarasekara

  349. 373 Mahesh,

    I also some times believe that there is no God. We are the creators of our own destiny etc etc.
    ————————

    I am affraid you mixed with GOD and CREATER.
    There are four religions believes the creater or one and only god. Namely

    1. Zrostrianism ( Mazdaism)
    2. Judaism
    3. Christianiaty
    4. Islam

    As Buddhist we believe many gods are exist. We believe 6 worlds of gods. 21 worlds of Brahma. and 4 hells.
    The important thing is Buddhists are not seeking their salvage or get enlighment through the gods or Brahma.
    Brahmas.
    Then you may ask why the god’s kovil existing in buddhist temples.
    When we practicing Dana, Seela, and Bavana (meditation) in the temple we are aquiring KUSAL . Then as a practice We are handover them to the gods and asking them to render their suport us to face our day to day life promlems.

    I think it is the main differenciation between the buddhists and others.
    samarasekara

  350. # 371. Ranjan,Toronto
    If we believe that a a greater being created the universe, then the question arises, who created the greater being?

    ———-

    Since no one created and self existing, it is called the greater being, the GOD.

    It is not hard to believe an omnipotent God created a world, universe & galaxy in orderliness.

    Can a universe so magnificient & grandeur, beyond human mind and knowledge come out of nothing?

    Have you ever seen or heard any magnificient thing & or a living being coming on its own out of nothing?

    The universe declare the glory of God.

  351. 347. sjoseph:
    339. shankar:

    # 339. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan

    ISS, there is no choice other than ducking the question on craving.
    Idiotism and fundamentalism cannot be explained with reasons.

    ———

    Huh!

    People who go in search of truth have no need for many things that ordinary people need- land, houses, spouses, children, money, etc. etc. But are all people going in search of truth? Does Buddhism require that every Buddhist stop everything that he/she is doing and go in search of truth?

    People who continue to live ordinary lives need many things to continue their way of life and land is one. Asking for what is rightfully yours and what is required for your existence is not against Buddhism.

    Only an ignorant fool or someone with malicious intent would try to dress it up as such. No matter how much you try, you cannot enlighten the ignorant.

    Ordinary people have craving, but craving is part and parcel of that life. They crave for land, food, clothes, sex and many other things. That’s why monks who commit their life to search of truth, give up that life. If you have no cravings then you would be half way on your way to Nirvana.

    What 8 fold path requires of ordinary Buddhists is that you do not let these things collude your judgment. Sinhalese people are not asking Tamils to vacate N & E.
    They are not asking that they be let to govern N & E. They simply want the right to live and access to whatever resource in the N & E as any Tamil. This is not letting craving collude one’s judgment.

    Lack of knowledge is acceptable. Not been able to recognize one’s lack of knowledge is bad. To argue like a fool based on inaccurate facts is worst. To insult others based on misinformation is pathetic.

  352. 373. Mahesh | November 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
    371. Ranjan,Toronto

    Great questioning Sir.

    I also some times believe that there is no God
    —————————————————–
    good news bible, genesis chapter 6 versus 3-4

    Then the lord said”i will not allow people to live forever, they are mortal.From now on they will no longer live more than 120 years.”

    Methuslah was the oldest person written in the bible as 969 years.he was the great-great-great-great-great grandson of adam.
    So mahesh, after the new rule of god even with all the medical breakthroughs from that time to now, we have not been able to exceed 120 years, except once, which was a woman who lived to 122. Even this could have been a mistake in the birth date because she was supposed to have been born in 1875, and at that time i doupht there would have been perfect records in a village in france.

    There have been 9 people who have lived between 115 and 120 years. If people start to regularly exceed 120 years, then we can say, there is no god. At the moment we have to because this is ‘living’ proof of his existence.

  353. 379. sjoseph

    It is not hard to believe an omnipotent God created a world, universe & galaxy in orderliness.
    ———————————
    The way I see it, an all powerful, all loving God would not have created this world with all the problems and misery. An omnipotent god would have created a perfect world.

    ———————————
    Can a universe so magnificient & grandeur, beyond human mind and knowledge come out of nothing?
    Have you ever seen or heard any magnificient thing & or a living being coming on its own out of nothing?
    ——————————-
    Most of the current scientific theories like String theory or the M-theory, does predict – mathematically, that it is perfectly possible for this universe to appear out of “nothing”.

  354. # 380. Navin
    Lack of knowledge is acceptable. Not been able to recognize one’s lack of knowledge is bad. To argue like a fool based on inaccurate facts is worst. To insult others based on misinformation is pathetic.

    ————–

    Peace 🙂
    I can understand your outburst..

  355. # 372. samarasekara

    SL Tamils may have many problems. Before that, you tell what you already know, in truth and good spirit:

    What problem you have as an individual, as a human, as a a sinhalese or as a buddhist, if :

    – North east is merged and SL Tamils have a federal govt?
    – North east is separated and SL Tamils have a self govt?

  356. 357. Mahesh
    –Non-violence (Ahimsa)
    –Truthfulness (Satya)
    –Non-stealing (Asteya)
    –Celibacy (Brahmacharya)
    –Non-possession or Non-materialism (Aparigraha)

    All these things come under Yama and niyama. That is the basic level to go after the samadhi the realization of the self.

    366. Mahesh
    What you are telling is part of the Ashtanga Yoga, which begins with the yama, niyama etc.
    It all leads to the samadhi.
    —————————————————–
    Thanks and yes it all comes from Vedic religion which I beleieve Swami Vivekanada referred to as Hinduism. In present day context one could say Hinduism, Jainism & Buddhism(Sikkism too) are all cousins(1st, 2nd or estranged).

    Partaking intoxicants though not mentioned under the Principles it is covered within Beliefs-namely Karma(Nirjara), The concept of Karma in Jainism is basically a reaction due to the attachment or aversion with which an activity (both positive and negative) is executed in thought, verbal and physical sense. When one act without attachment and aversion there will be no further karmic bonding to the soul.

    Karmas are grouped as Destructive Karmas, that obstruct the true nature of the soul and Non-Destructive Karmas that only affect the body in which the soul resides.
    There are two methods for shedding karmas accumulated by the soul.–Active Method( By practicing internal and external austerities (penances or tapas))
    & Passive Method (By allowing past karmas to ripen in due course of time and experiencing the results)

    External austerities are meant to discipline the sensual cravings and includes Fasting, abstention from tasty and stimulating food -which encompases intoxicans, flesh and even onion & garlic.
    Jains are also strict vegetarians and avoid eating root vegetables in general, as doing so would invariably kill the plant.

    One would only wonder what would have happened if Emperor Asoka sawJainism and embraced it first.

    Apart from seeing the ‘stop’ or raised hand(ahimsa) symbol instead of the wheel of Samsara (or dharmachakra) symbol in the Indian flag, we would have seen a different history in South & South East Asia!

  357. # 382. Ranjan, Toronto
    Most of the current scientific theories like String theory or the M-theory, does predict – mathematically, that it is perfectly possible for this universe to appear out of “nothing”.

    ——-

    God created universe out of nothing, as it did not exist before.

    So it is not a wonder even if it is proved that universe was formed out of nothing. (though the theories are predictive or hypothesis in nature and not provable)

    What is required to prove is something (universe) was created out of nothing by nothing (on its own).

  358. 382. Ranjan, Toronto | November 3rd, 2010 at 1:19 am

    The way I see it, an all powerful, all loving God would not have created this world with all the problems and misery. An omnipotent god would have created a perfect world.

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    Problems and misery are mostly man made. The world & universe are still working perfect, despite the damages done by humans.

    Give more freedom to SL Tamils, most of your problems will go away 🙂

  359. #372
    • Who was S.J.V.
    Was he Sri lankan. No he was a forigner who born from Malasia. He should developed his FEDERAL party in Malasia, but not here. Actually what is the real meaning of TAMIL ARASU KACHCHIE. It is not for Federal but seperate government. It was the aspiration of him and Jaffna tamil. but not a problem.
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    Yes, He is not a Srilankan. He was an Eelam citizen. Actually he was the father of Eelam. Samarasegara, do you have any idea of the Ghandi’s citizenship in British India? SJV was a modest leader expressed his willingness to work together with Srilankans. That is why he made agreements. Gandhi also a foreigner in South Africa but he fought for the emancipation of maltreated people. Borders are for you and for me and for the UN but not for the great people.
    An Eelam citizen

  360. 387. sjoseph

    If God is all powerful and if he created everything including the universe, why did he not create human being who are perfect, who will not fight, who will not succumb to things like jealousy, hatred and anger? Why did he create human beings who are capable of destroying nature, pollute the world and power hungry?

    Either, he is not all that powerful, or he does not care about the universe that he created?

    “Give more freedom to SL Tamils, most of your problems will go away” If God had created all human beings equal in every sense, i.e., one language, one color, one way of thinking, no countries, we would not have to be worried about giving more freedoms to SL Tamils!

    So now you know whose fault it is!!!!!

  361. # 375 Don

    …………If you want to spit hairs, please go ahead and be my guest. I am not into that…………

    All that I was trying to do was to split fact and fiction. Why do you fly off the handle all of a sudden !

  362. Srilankan Cricket Team’s giant killing performance last night at the hallowed MCG has more significance than the victory itself.

    A Tamil youngster .although with a Western name masterminded this record setting victory.

    He was assisted by a Sinhala youth , from the South who was paying park cricket with a tennis ball only a few years ago.

    Being a bare bodied and barefoot park cricketer my self in my teen yearsI,watching this mammoth feat of these two is the biggest thrill in my life.

    And the fact that I had the opportunity to watch them from the Melbourne Cricket Club member’s stand makes it even more memorable.

    Could we have imagined youth like these even playing for a Colombo club let alone playing for for Srilanka in the 60s and the 70s.?

    Isn’t this progress.?

    How many Tamil youth from the North and the East would have been denied to develop their sporting skills over the last 30 years

    I am also pleased that a lot of Tamil youth in Melbourne have claimed Angelo as one of their’s and enjoyed this remarkable effort.going by the web postings in the Facebook.

    It is never late than ever to get together and let the people, specially the underprivileged get on with their lives in a peaceful and prosperous nation.

  363. 389. Ranjan,Toronto and Joseph:- God did not create Singhalese Tamil etc but the misguided people created it. Someone asked me, what the is the guarantee praba is not born again as a Sinhala Buddhist? Quite possible. If so, what was the futility of his struggle? We cannot control everything. People who recognise there are no race cast barriers marry across them or have close friends with every one and leave the rabble rousers alone. God created people in good faith and has allowed them to act in their own freewill. At the end they would be judged as to whether they used their life to bring pain to others or to enrich others life. J.Krishnamoorty was right when he said “to be nationalistic is anti god” Buddah was right when he said our greatest problem is OUR ego and OUR greed. We try to feed both with frenzy.

  364. # 389. Ranjan,Toronto

    Because God loves and cares, he has given free will to humans.

    My preference is freewill compare to perfection. Despite all the problems in the world, free will or freedom of choice is the most precious gift given to everyone.

  365. Re. Samarasekera (372#) Reading your comments on both SJVC and the English version of the FP, it is clear you are one of those half-baked JVP kind of graduates who has failed to learn English, history and lacks in education.

    If SJVC was not a Ceylonse by right your friends at that time would have been pleased to deport him right then and there.

    As to this nonsense of Federal Party in English and Thamil Arasu Kadchi in Tamil the nuance may be far too deep for your under-developed grey cells. If you have access to Prof GL Peiris, Prof Sumanasiri Liyanage and the like they will enlighten you,. But avoid the street of Nalin de S, Champika, Gammanpilla and the lot.
    Because this is their staple diet by which this tribe has managed to take the country down the slippery slope from which it is trying to come out for so long.

    ISS

  366. 389. Ranjan,Toronto | November 3rd, 2010 at 11:44 am
    387. sjoseph

    If God is all powerful and if he created everything including the universe, why did he not create human being who are perfect, who will not fight, who will not succumb to things like jealousy, hatred and anger
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    Ranjan, sometimes because god is a superior being to us it is difficult for us sometimes to understand his actions.For example i wondered why god created pain, especially after he bloody did it to me recently, which was like losing a son for me. Then i read how there was a boy in india who did not feel pain. Apparently his nerve strucure was such he could not feel it at all, even if you pricked him with something. We as lesser beings would think, how wonderful for him and wish we were like that. Do you know what happenned to him. When he was small while his mother was in the kitchen, she smelt something burning, and saw him with his hand on the hot stove. The hand was burning but he was not taking it away, because he could not feel the pain. doctors managed to save his hands, but these kind of things went on. he would come from school with wounds, but not tell anyone about it. One day he had a ruptured spleen, but did not tell anyone, and passed away.
    Same way i believe mental pain is also given in good doses, sthat we take care that we don’t have to go through these again and don’t do it to others.

    The way you wanted, he could have made it perfect without pain, but life would not have survived. Being oblivious to pain can be fatal to you as well as others, because you will make them suffer because you don’t know that feeling yourself.

    Things like jealosy, hatred, anger also there must be reasons for that. Jealosy is created due to imbalances in the world. The question arises, is it better to have perfect people with imbalances in material and other things, or to create jealosy so that something will be done to reduce that imbalance. The person having more will be feeling the heat and will have to give something or risk losing it all, such as in revolutions. in many countries the wealth became more shared because of jealosy.

    Anger too is the same i suppose. When someone gets angry only you realise that you have done something wrong to them or hurt their feelings. If not for that feedback you may not correct yourself and continue on your merry way hurting everybody.

    As for natural disasters, god has given us plenty of land, but if we go and build where the fault lines are, and then blame him for the earthquake, or live in bushland and blame him for bushfires, or live just near the beach and blame him for tsunami, then he will just say thats not my problem. You created it yourself, i’am not here to babysit you.

  367. 393. sjoseph

    You have made your point about God’s existence and I have made my points questioning it. I respect your view and lets leave this at that. This is not the place or the forum to debate theology and the existence of God or other higher beings.

  368. 384. sjoseph  |  November 3rd, 2010 at 1:27 am
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    Please don’t jump into the wronged track.
    As your wish I asked for cause. At this stage my conclusions are inmaterial.
    I am repeately asking you

    Eccept the poverty, being a tamil what you are facing problem in sri lanka.. Errespective of race we all are victimise of poverty. If this teterost activities were not taken into country certainly we could over come it too.

    samarasekara

  369. RE/394. Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan  |  November 3rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    English is not my mother tongue. I don’t want to follow it as you.If you need to fillin up verbs, adjectives,prepossion and so on you better put in. as an obediaence slave for the white master it is your duty to safe guard them and their language. But I won’t care. In my view poin it is only media of communication as you might using sinhala accent. Being replying my coment it is obvious taht you could read it. It is o.k.

    I am going therouh all litreture available in my sight.

    What I gathered about SJV is

    He wanted to launch a politicle party that leads to seperate state befor the year 1947. In order to hide out this objective from sinhalees he translated the so called seperate state party as federal. This was his aspiration. That is why I am telling you that aspirations are not problem.

    We can’t make solutoins to them.If we solve one aspiration the other will follow.

    samarasekara

    Don’t be hurry to judge me.

  370. Commemt 394 ISS,

    Sir, Please play the Ball not the Man.

    Besides a few typos the comment you referred to get the points across well and clear.

    He is entitled to his opinion as much as you are to yours.

    For example, Srilanka is on a slippery path according to you.

    But a great majority beg to differ, It includes World bodies in Economics, Commerce and even Media.

  371. Interestingly this article on TNA received more than 400 comments within a month(apart from Part 1), third only to the ones about Prabhaharan in May 2009. The hits would be naturally many times higher.

    http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/615 (549)
    http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/545 (501)

    Does this show anything?

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    There has been no new article by me for some weeks now. So the comments continue for this till the new one appears

    Also most of the comments have no relevance to the topic in the article. Most of the readers are simply posting on a variety of subjects that are not connected with the topic

    Many are engaged in arguing with each other on many silly trivial issues. There are also displays of chauvinism and pseudo-patriotic jingoism

    While I have been very lenient towards these posts I am beginning to wonder whether any constructive purpose is achieved by these comments
    .

  372. DBSJ

    Tommorrow in srilanka people will be getting up at 5am to go buy the paper to read your article. Hope you don’t dissapoint them and bring out as usual a good one.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Que Sera,sera
    Whatever will be will be
    The future’s not ours to see
    Que sera sera
    What will be will be

  373. to all fellow srilankans, congratulations on beating australia in australia, which is one of the most difficult things to do. Let us hope we can beat all our demons too with clear thinking, compassion and compromise.

  374. 398. samarasekara

    Many Sinhalese see this Tamil problem as non problem. They want to sweep it under carpet and want to talk about the economic problem only, including your MR.

    The Tamil problem is a political problem and this is the right time to solve it to.

    Until this is done you can’t win the peace though you may have won the war.

  375. —Response to 402—-

    Totally agree with Dadvid that most comments are not only irrelevant but silly as well.

    I think these Silly billies ought to get a life.

  376. 402. Palan

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    I am beginning to wonder whether any constructive purpose is achieved by these comments

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    Your comments section has educated us a lot. It reminded about the sinhala extremist elements in the island nation and elsewhere.

    It also makes people like me to think that there will be no political solution to the tamils issue.

    The Tamils have to live there as second class citizens under the sinhala only society and govt which will encroach its territory citing some fable stories from Mahawamsa which is their version of history.

    Even now I read a news item which states that JHU is engaged in the excavation work in the island to look into the budhist history of the north and east.

    they, the bigoted will find what they want to find and destroy what is not palatable to them.

    Even if they find some Tamil Budhist remains they will argue that those were the remains of the sinhala budhist.

    He who controls the present controls the past.

    May be the world will come to the view that Praba was right in not believing the sinhalese.

    It has also brought out the corrupt ways of the clergy and their influence in the govt.

    If you want to disable this you may do it. But it has exposed the sinhalese society and politics which identify only their loss and do not consider the loss of the Tamils in this conflict.

  377. Tku my friends Samarasekera (#399) Anonymous (#400)
    I don’t have to remind you English is a foreign language to all of us here. Neither do I have to remind you why some speak it better than others. It was all there earlier- but the divide is much wider now and growing wider with a completely broken down system of education. Have you ever paused to wonder why children from the better
    “international schools” speak the sought after language better than others? So the Kaduwa will be a defining factor
    in Lankan society today and tomorrow – as it was yesterday.
    Have you wondered why alsmost the entire Union Cabinet Ministers in India are fluent in English whereas ours today is virtually the other way around. Before the 1950s our Cabinet was viewed with envy there – will not be contested. But it will be equally foolish to say someone educated in the bilingual cannot be intellectually superior to those well versed in English. Germany, Japan, Korea, China, the Scandinavian countries will produce the new breed of brilliant scients and the intellegentsia in the future but all these non-English societies pay a premium to English learning. They are filling the higher learning institutions of the USA today with their talented young to the point where I heard an American teacher claim on CNN 18 of the most sought after Universities in the world are in the USA – where the medium is English. They are no less Nationalal than we are in Sri Lanka, you may agree.

    My point was your perception on SJVC and our political differences – and none other. The continuing procrastination has now brought in a further frightening dimension this week via Mr Rudrakumaran in New York. Unless we come to objective grips with our unsettleed issue, my friends, we will continue to narrow the size of our National Cake and hasten the process of our shared decline – no matter what the Stock market figures tell you. The world may not look at Sri Lanka the way you think or wish. President Rajapakse cancelling his much-looked-to Oxford U will tell you its an entirely world out there. If you want to believe the Govt’s version why he skipped the
    date go right ahead and have a good weekend. For Pete’s sake, don’t blame me and the bl..o..dy Tamils for that as well.

    ISS

  378. 407 Mahesh,

    How could the JHU engage in excavation of ancient sites when such work is exclusively the responsibility of the Department of Archeology.?

    I am not sure where you are residing and what nationality you are?

    But there are rogue excavators who are looking for ancient treasures and a few have been caught, But I didn’t see any JHU members among them.

    There is a well know Buddhist Temple in Jaffna and in Trinco. So what is there to prove/

    Sinhalese and Tamils have co existed for 2000 years without any major hassles until your hero hijacked the agenda.

    Let the people living there sort their problems out and get their lives back to normal That is the need of the hour.

    What makes you a second class citizen is the poverty.It applies to both Tamils and Sinhalese equally.

    Political solutions can be worked out when people have jobs, roof over the head and their children at school whether they live in the North or the South.

    .

  379. 410. Anonymous

    Sinhalese and Tamils have co existed for 2000 years without any major hassles until your hero hijacked the agenda.

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    But how many Sinhalese will say that. The major thrust of the Sinhalese is that they had come to the island first and therefore they are the masters of the island.

    The rogue that you are referring some say as a freedom fighter. Have all your people have walked in the right path only. Tell me honestly whether no blame attaches on to the Sinhalese polity and the society.

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    There is a well know Buddhist Temple in Jaffna and in Trinco. So what is there to prove/

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    Their was also Tamil Budhists in the history. The sinhalese should not say that all the Budhist sites represent the Sinhala budhism.

    They could also be Tamil Budhism.

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