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Prabhakaran, Veluppillai and the father-son relationship

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by D.B.S. Jeyaraj

Veluppillai Prabhakaran’s father Thiruvengadam Veluppillai breathed his last on Wednesday January 6th night. The 86 year old retired government servant’s birthday was on January 10th.

Thiruvengadam Veluppillai Parvathiamma Veluppillai, Prabhakaran, Madhivathany and son Charles Anthony-Reuters pic

The octogenarian hailing from the northern coastal town of Valvettithurai (VVT)and his wife Parvathiamma were staying in a chalet within the precincts of the Army cantonment at Panagoda.

The Veluppillais along with Mrs. Erambu, the mother of their daughter-in-law Mathivathani, had been detained at Panagoda since July last year. The authorities say that all three were under protective custody.

Veluppillai whose youngest son was the leader of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) organization that fought a secessionist war with the Sri Lankan government had been in Govt service for 39 years and was a pensioner.

Valvettithurai

Valvettithurai (VVT) a littoral town along the coast of Vadamaratchy in the Jaffna peninsula had in earlier times acquired a reputation for smuggling. In recent times VVT became well-known as the hotbed of Tamil militancy. Apart from Prabhakaran several youths from VVT were in militant ranks of the LTTE and other Tamil groups.

The people of VVT are predominantly from the Karaiyar caste group whose traditional occupation was fishing. As in the case of their counterpart caste, the Karawes of the South, the community regards itself as being a “Kshatriya” warrior caste (guru kula)tracing its roots to the Gauravas of the epic “Mahabharatha”.

Aathikovil-more pic: by Dushiyanthini Kanagasabapathipillai

VVT like many other places in Jaffna has produced a very large number of educated professionals and government officers. There has also been a commercial tradition. Few of VVT’s current denizens engage in fishing except for those clustered in the “Aathikoviladdy” area of the town.

Unfortunately and unfairly the name VVT has become linked to smuggling and armed Tamil militancy over the past years. This is a fact resented by respectable, decent inhabitants of the place who rightly feel their achievements are not recognized on their own merits and instead affixed a stereotyped label.

Thirumeniyaar Family

This tendency is visible in the case of Prabhakaran’s father Veluppillai himself. This respected gentleman is perceived simply as the father of Prabhakaran and denigrated. All sorts of ill-informed comments are being made about him.

Prabhakaran’s father Veluppillai was the scion of a family distinguished in VVT for its business acumen and religious devotion. Prabhakaran’s mother’s parents were from both VVT and adjoining Point Pedro.

A Tamil weekly in India quoted a woman from Kerala state claiming that Prabhakaran’s father Veluppillai was born in Kannanoor in Kollam district of the state and had gone to Sri Lanka at the age of 22.

Thereafter a vicious campaign was on to describe Prabhakaran as a Malayalee with Kerala roots due to the allegation that Veluppillai was from Kollam.

There is nothing wrong in being of Malayalee descent and Sri Lanka has a very strong Malayalam influence. Migration to Sri Lanka from India was from both the Coromandel and Malabar coasts.

But in this case the truth was starkly different as Prabhakaran’s father was not born in Kannanoor but Valvettithurau. He belonged to a famous Tamil family residing in VVT for generations.

Veluppillai’s ancestors accumulated great wealth through commerce and trade and gained a reputation for philanthropy.

Valvettithurai Sivan temple-pic: Valvai.wordpress.com

Veluppillai’s lineage is called the “Thirumeniyaar” family in VVT and are hereditary trustees of the famous Valvettithurai Sivan temple.

Prabhakaran’s paternal ancestors constructed the temple . The family is called the “Esamaan kudumbam” (master family) on account of their controlling the Sivan temple.

It was an ancestor Aiyampillai who first began dabbling in trade by taking Jaffna produce like tobacco and dye across to the Indian coast by sea during the Dutch colonial period. His son Velayutham followed in the father’s footsteps.

It was however Velayutham’s son Venkataasalam who multiplied the family wealth through business acumen and enterprise.

He assembled a fleet of twelve schooners and became a captain of commerce shipping goods to and from India, Burma and Malaysia. He also engaged in large-scale agriculture purchasing large tracts of land in the north.

VVT Sivan Temple

Interestingly one such purchase was 90 acres of land in present day Karaithuraipatru AGA division of Mullaitheevu district. This is the area where the final phase of the war between the govt forces and LTTE was enacted.

Rain soaked Kallapaadu-more file pic.by Dushiyanthini Kanagasabapathipillai

The “Thirumeni” family lost its holdings over the years except for one and a half acres in Kallappaadu as tenant cultivators in possession had gradually claimed ownership of lands. A temple was built in the Kallapaadu land.

Venkadaasalam also known as Periyathamby in VVT had a vision in 1822 where his departed father Velayutham appeared and asked him to construct a temple to Lord Shiva. The family was already associated with the VVT Pillaiyar and Muthumaariyamman temples.

For some years the son began collecting money and raised a big sum. Venkadaasalam then took a vow and embarked on the project.

He first bought 60 perches of land near the Amman temple. In terms of his vow he stopped wearing apparel covering his torso and became known as “thirumeniyaar” as a mark of respect.

Then began a long process of construction.

“Thirumeniyaar” Venkadaasalam built a small abode near the temple site and stayed there without going home for days supervising the work. Finally the temple was built and formally consecrated in 1867.

Though popularly known as the Sivan temple it is dedicated to Vaitheeswarar another name for Lord Shiva. His divine consort Parvathy is known as Vaalaambigai in the VVT Vaitheeswarar temple.

Since it had been built by Venkadaasalam with his own money the family now known as “Thirumeniyaar kudumbam” became the hereditary owner trustees.

Prabhakaran’s father Velupillai was a direct descendant of Venkadaasalam. Velupillai’s father was Thiruvenkadam.His grandfather Velupillai was the son of Venkadaasalam. Prabhakaran’s father was named Veluppillai after his grandfather.

Responsibility

Venkadaasalam had a brother Kulanthaivelpillai who worked as Shroff in the Hindustan bank of old.Venkadaasalam and Kulanthaivel built a number of temples including one in Chekku street, Colombo, Keerimalai and even in Rangoon.

Prabhakaran’s father was the only child in the family. As such the responsibility of being temple chief trustee-owner was thrust upon him. A deeply devout man, Veluppillai did discharge his duties and managed the VVT Sivan temple.

Veluppillai however relinquished his responsibility over the VVT temple in the seventies of the last century. A cousin Sinnathurai became chief trustee or “Esamaan” (master).

I had earlier thought Veluppillai had done so because his duties as temple trustee were clashing with the duties of being a govt official. I learnt recently that the reason was entirely different.

Thiruvenkadam Veluppillai was ultra-conservative in outlook and believed in caste distinctions. He had firmly resisted all attempts to get the Sivan temple open for worship by the so-called depressed castes.

When a delegation of progressive youths from the Tamil United Front(TUF)) had requested him to allow open temple entry Veluppillai had firmly refused. He had said “There are limits. Even though I am the temple owner I cannot enter the sanctum sanctorum . Only the priest can do that. Likewise some people cannot be allowed to enter the temple”.

The youths had then said that Veluppillai was being very reactionary and sworn that the temple would be made to open its doors to all castes soon. Then the usually mild-mannered Veluppillai had erupted and said “if this temple is thrown open then I will no longer be the esamaan”.

Thereafter the TUF youths had launched a non-violent agitation on April 21st 1976 demanding unrestricted temple entry. A gang of VVT toughs set upon the non-violent campaigners and unleashed terrible violence. The agitation was called off.

That conservative triumph was short-lived.

MC Subramaniam the Communist party stalwart and long-standing campaigner for the rights of depressed caste Tamils was then an appointed MP. MC as he was known enforced a temple entry with 50 policemen on duty to maintain the peace. VVT Sivan temple was now open to all.

The TUF youths now began ridiculing Veluppillai saying “now see what has happened. What are you going to do”? Seething with fury Thiruvenkadam Veluppillai said “I will stand by my declaration and withdraw from the temple”. He promptly did so and his cousin Sinnathurai became trustee.

Later Sinnathurai himself was killed by the army during “Operation Liberation” in 1987.

There had been a half-constructed wall on the western side of the temple. The LTTE had mounted sandbags there and fired at the army f rom within temple premises. As the army advanced the tigers dispersed. Enraged soldiers grabbed the temple owner Sinnathurai and dragged him out. His charred body was discovered later.

Prabhakaran

This conservative streak in Veluppillai led to a big clash with his youngest son.

Prabhakaran had a very progressive outlook from his childhood. The Thirumeniyaar family was akin to local aristocracy in VVT but young Prabhakaran used to mix freely with all kids particularly those from so-called lower castes.

It is said that as a youngster, Prabhakaran would escort his “inferior” friends to the temple and get reprimanded by the father.

Prabhakaran’s father was also not politically inclined. He abhorred Tamil nationalist politics and was very concerned that his youngest son was getting involved in politics.

Like any father he wanted his son to study and enter university. Little did he realise then that the son would lead a revolutionary movement in later years.

Another of Veluppillai’s cousins Gnanamoorthy was the FP and later TULF leader in VVT. He was also Urban council chairman at one time. Veluppillai found fault with Gnanamoorthy for being a bad influence on his son.

It was at a historic meeting held at Gnanamoorthy’s house that the Federal Party , All Ceylon Tamil Congress and Ceylon Workers Congress decided to form the Tamil United Front (TUF). Later the TUF became TULF after the Vaddukkoddai convention of May 14th 1976 when the Tamil United Front was re-named Tamil United Liberation Front.

The single biggest influence on Prabhakaran was not Gnanamoorthy Appa but a pedagogue called Venugopal master.

It was Venugopal a follower of former Kayts MP and “Thamilar Suyaatchi Kazhagham” (Tamil Self-rule party) founder V. Navaratnam who led Prabhakaran to separatism and armed struggle.

Lands Officer

Veluppillai joined the clerical service during British rule at the age of 19 in 1943. His first appointment was in the railways dept. He later passed some internal exams and rose up to become district lands officer. He retired at the age of 58 in 1982 after 39 years of govt service. Gamini Dissanayake was Lands minister in 1982.

Veluppillai was not an anti-Sinhala person. He, in fact sat for and passed all Sinhala proficiency exams to earn his promotions. Many in VVT were critical then of those who studied Sinhala. He served in Kilinochchi, Mullaitheevu, Thunukkaai, Vavuniya, Anuradhapura and in Batticaloa and Amparai districts.

Veluppillai was a diligent, duty-conscious officer with integrity and honesty. Some VVT residents who wanted him to alienate lands in their favour when Velupillai was lands officer in Thunukkaai found them selves being firmly rebuffed.

He was a very punctual, neat person and highly disciplined. Mild- mannered and soft-spoken Veluppillai was a gentle person. VVT residents used to describe him as a man who treads so gently that even grass does not get crushed underfoot.

Children

The Veluppillais had four children.

The eldest is Manoharan who worked as a radio officer in ships.He now lives in Denmark.

The eldest daughter is Jegatheeswari who got married to an Apothecary named Mathiyaaparanam. They used to live in Europe but now live in India.

The third is a daughter Vinodini who got married to Rajendram, a Commerce graduate who worked earlier at Jafferjee bros in Colombo. They live in Canada.

The fourth was of course the most famous of them all.

Prabhakaran fell in love and got married to Mathivathany the daughter of Erambu a schoolmaster from Pungudutheevu in Jaffna.

Prabhakaran was a big disappointment to the father. He used to refer to the youngest child as the black sheep of the family.

Earlier Veluppillai was worried that his son was messing up studies by getting involved in politics. Later when Prabhakaran took to arms the father was shattered.

Being a God-fearing , law-abiding citizen Veluppillai was appalled when the Police began visiting his house in search of young Prabha.

For people of the old school who thought of themselves as loya servants on her majesty’s service the notion of an offspring confronting the established govt was anathema and repugnant

Maternal Uncle

Prabhakaran himself severed all links with the family after embarking on his militant journey towards the goal of Tamil Eelam. He would only visit his mother secretly on a few occasions.

Prabhakaran removed all photographs of himself in the family photo album or picture frames so that the Police would not know how he looked like. For many years the only photo the cops had of Praba was that of his postal identity card.

After leaving home at the age of 17 Praba led a rough life moving from place to place but he got no help at all from his father who virtually cut him off.

Among relatives it was Prabhakaran’s elder brother in law Mathiaaparanam and maternal uncle Vallipuram Veluppillai who helped him out.

Prabhakaran’s mother’s brother Vallipuram Veluppillai was working at the Govt farm school in Thirunelvely, Jaffna. Prabhakaran was very attached to him.

When Prabhakaran got married to Madhivathany in 1984 in Tamil Nadu, Prabhakaran’s father refused to attend.

It was Prabhakaran’s uncle who attended and handed over (thatham)the groom at the ceremony. He provided the gold according to custom for the “Thaali” (marriage chain) tied by Prabhakaran.

Prabhakaran & Madhivathany wedding

Prabhakaran’s uncle himself had daughters and there was an understanding in the family that Praba would marry one. Despite his disappointment over Prabhakaran marrying Mathivathany, Vallipuram Veluppillai participated in the wedding.

Sadly both Prabhakaran’s maternal uncle and aunt were killed by artillery shelling in the Puthukkudiyiruppu area on February 10th last year. So desperate was the situation that Prabhakaran could not even pay his last respects to his favourite uncle who had stood through thick and thin with him.

Aalady lane

Veluppillai did not forbid Prabhakaran from coming to the family residence on Aaladi lane, VVT. But he made it clearly known that he was not welcome.

Prabhakaran evading arrest also kept away from home as a precaution. But when The father was away from home “Thambi” (younger brother) as he was known would drop in clandestinely for a home cooked meal by his mother.

An anecdote related by Prabha to his close friends was something like a melodramatic scene from a Tamil movie.

One day when Veluppillai was away in Thunukkaai, Prabha dropped in at home.

The mother was feeding him a hastily cooked meal when Veluppillai returned home ahead of schedule. Seeing the son the father was annoyed.

Without a word he dropped his suitcase with a heavy “thud” and then opening it took out a few files and walked out without saying a word to the wife or “prodigal” son. As an expression of his anger Veluppillai kept away from home for hours.

Later when Prabhakaran recalled this incident to friends he would observe wistfully “aapar oru solluthaanum paraiyelai” (Father did not utter even one word)

Tamil Naadu

Another reason for the father’s resentment towards the son was due to Veluppillai feeling that he and other family members could not lead a normal life because of Prabhakaran.

After retiring from govt service in 1982, Veluppillai had wanted to lead a quiet pensioner’s life in VVT. When some TULF members had approached him with the idea of making him contest the VVT urban council poll, Veluppillai had rejected it saying he just wanted a quiet life in VVT.

But then, he could not lead that kind of life. The Police would regularly visit the home at all odd hours claiming to search for Prabhakaran.

After the 1983 July anti-Tamil violence none of Prabhakaran’s family members could stay in Sri Lanka. Prabhakaran’s sister Vinodini (now in Canada) was staying at no 10, convent lane in Hendala those days. The house was smashed by soldiers looking for Prabakharan’s sister.

The ancestral home in Aalady lane was also damaged.

Family members had to relocate to Tamil Nadu. Later they dispersed to other parts of the globe.

It is said that Veluppillai blamed Prabhakaran for reducing them to this state.

This did not mean that he did not care for the son.

When Prabhakaran was jailed in Madras in May 1982 for the shoot-out with PLOTE’s Umamaheswaran at Pondy Bazaar, Veluppillai readily provided a letter retaining the then TULF legal secretary SC Chandrahasan to represent his son in the Egmore courts.

Estranged

Father Veluppillai and son Prabhakaran continued to be estranged and were not on speaking terms during their stay in Tamil Nadu after July 1983.

While Prabhakaran lived in a Chennai suburb the Veluppillais lived in Trichy where a substantial concentration of People from VVT exists.

When Prabhakaran got married in 1984 his parents were conspicuous absentees.

But after son Charles Anthony and daughter Duwaragha were born a slow process of reconciliation occurred. The grandparents would visit to see and play with the grandchildren.

But father and son kept at a distance and rarely spoke to each other.

In 1987 August Prabhakaran was taken back to Jaffna by an Indian aircraft .The Veluppillais came to Chennai from Trichy to see their son off.

The father was particularly happy that the son had agreed to bid farewell to arms in terms of the Indo-Lanka accord signed on July 29th 1987.

Expressing the view that peace would descend on Jaffna, Veluppillai indicated that they too would return to VVT in due course.

But war broke out in two months and the Veluppillais continued to remain in Trichy.

Furious

The pendulum had swung the other way again and the father was once again furious with the son.

He blamed the son for acting rashly and starting a fight with the Indian army.

Later the Indian army left and the LTTE was once again in control of the greater part of the Northern province.

In 1995-96 the LTTE lost Jaffna peninsula but retained control over substantial portions of the Wanni.

The LTTE also claimed to have set up a parallel administration with structures like courts,police stations, banks, income tax offices, immigration dept, etc.

But the father of the self-styled Tamil National leader stubbornly refused to return to the land ruled by his son and opted to remain in Trichy.

The Veluppillais lived in the upper floor of a house owned by a doctor who was a sympathiser of the LTTE.

Return to Wanni

Finally the father relented and decided to return to the Wanni.

Though their children were now in Europe and Canada the old couple did not want to live in the west.

But as age increased with a corresponding increase in ailments the old couple opted to return home.

Due to age and infirmity, Veluppillai decided to go and live with his youngest son. The mother was delighted at the prospect.

They returned to Sri Lanka after the ceasefire of Feb 23rd 2002.

The Veluppillais along with Madhivathany’s parents stayed together in a house at Mallavi.

Mathivathani reportedly lavished great care and affection on her parents as well as father and mother in law.

Again war broke out and the happy times were over.

Prabhakaran’s father in law Erambu master passed away and was bestowed a “Naatuppatraalar” (patriot) award by the son in law.

As the intensity of war increased the Veluppillais also had to move from place to place seeking safety and refuge.

One does not know what Veluppillai’s thoughts were about his son for this fierce round of war.

IDP Camp

But the war went terribly wrong for the LTTE.

As a beleaguered Prabhakaran put up a defiant last stand the bulk of civilians began surrendering to the army and crossing over to govt controlled territory.

The Veluppillais and Mathivathany’s widowed mother were in the last batches of civilians moving out in May. They moved out through the Vattuvaakal causeway.

Veluupillai’s grand children, Dhuvaragha and Balachandran

Obviously there must have been a final farewell between parents and son, mother and daughter, grandparents and grandchildren.

It must have been a tremendous moment of sorrow as the older people left for safety leaving children and grandchildren facing the definite end.

Even as Prabhakaran and others met their end on the banks of Nandhikkadal lagoon the old parents found sanctuary in the Internally displaced persons (IDP) camp in Manikkam pannai now known as Menik Farm.

Panagoda cantonment

Alas! Menik farm too was not a permanent abode of safety and rest.

When the truthful Veluppillai revealed his identity to authorities at the IDP camp the govt utilised it for propaganda purposes.

News was leaked to the media that Prabhakaran’s parents were “discovered” to be in Menik far as a result of information being given by other camp inmates.

The impression sought to be conveyed was that Prabhakaran’s parents were trying to live incognito as IDP’s in the camp and that the alert authorities had uncovered this duplicity through cooperative civilians who provided information.

The reality was that Veluppillai himself had informed the authorities of their identities and particulars.

With Prabhakaran, wife and children dead the Govt seemed to be treating the LTTE leader’s aged parents as war trophies.

The Veluppillai couple along with Mrs. Erambu were taken out of the Menik farm IDP camp at Chettikulam.

Mrs. Veluppillai’s health had deteriorated greatly as she had suffered a stroke some months before coming to Vavuniya.

After some discreet de-briefing the Veluppillais and Mrs. Erambu were housed at a chalet within the precincts of the Army cantonment at Panagoda.

Veluppillai now suffering from a number of complicated health factors was also in a state of decline.

There were many relatives who were ready to look after the old couple.

The daughter Vinodini in Canada was also prepared to get her parents down to Toronto.

Protective Custody

The Rajapakse regime would not countenance these offers.

Stating that Prabhakaran’s parents were placed under protective custody for their own safety the Govt refused to release them.

Access was denied to relatives, family members, well-wishers and concerned human rights activists.

When the visiting Indian Parliamentarian delegation from Tamil Nadu raised the issue with Basil Rajapakse, the Presidential sibling laughed it away saying the Veluppillais were being protected as requested by them.

Basil also said in lighter vein that old Veluppillai was doing fine and ordering them around and making demands. But he refused to allow the MP’s to visit them in person.

When Viduthalai Chiruthai Katchi (VCP) leader Thirumaavazhavan asked Basil whether the Veluppillais could be allowed to join their daughter, Basil reportedly replied that they would not allow them to go to a western country but may consider sending them to India if an application was made.

Thirumaavazhavan writing a detailed series of articles about his trip to Sri Lanka in the “Junior Vikatan” magazine observes that Basil Rajapakse arrogantly dismissed the humanitarian request to release the old parents.

Elections

The suffering Veluppillai couple became the focus of attention when presidential elections were announced.

Opposition candidate Sarath Fonseka referred to them saying that he was prepared to get help and money from anyone including Prabhakaran’s parents.

President Mahinda Rajapakse exploited the statement in a blatantly crude manner by saying that he would not betray the country by getting assistance from Prabhakaran’s parents.

The exchange left a bad taste in the mouth as it seemed very uncharitable for the parents to be blamed for the son’s misconduct.

The “Bible” apeaks of the sins of the fathers being visited upon the children but in this case the “Sin” of the son was being visited upon the parents.

Besides after 39 years of dedicated loyal govt service, Veluppillai did not deserve to be branded as some terrorist or traitor by Mahinda in a bid to score electorally.

Mahinda Rajapakse’s references to Prabhakaran’s parents demonstrated clearly that he perceived them as being “guilty” because Prabhakaran was their son.

I only hope that Mahinda’s departed parents are not tarnished in similar fashion by others if their children are convicted for war crimes or corruption.

Wrong Move

One is not aware whether Veluppillai had really requested protective custody or whether this government is simply bluffing.

But the act of detaining the octogenarian parents of Prabhakaran incommunicado in a military cantonment is certainly a wrong move deserving the highest condemnation.

Very few believe that this was protective custody in the interests of the detenues themselves.

It is widely believed that this act indicates a vindictive, triumphalist mindset that seeks to detain the aged and sick parents of a dead LTTE leader.

Housing them within a military cantonment and restricting access has worsened the situation.

There is a strand of opinion that says that Veluppillai was being pressured to come out with a public statement praising the President and condemning the son.

Veluppillai apparently had resisted such pressure and had suffered physical deterioration as a result due to stress and mental agony.

The sorrow and agony of losing their son, daughter in law, grandchildren, the suffering and trauma of undergoing artillery shelling and aerial bombardment, displacement etc must have taken a heavy toll.

However comfortable the surroundings, keeping an octogenarian couple in a military cantonment with restricted access would definitely cause much stress.

Will a cuckoo or skylark be happy in a cage even if made of gold?

It is now being said that the ailing Veluppillai received adequate medical attention at the National hospital.

Given the circumstances under which the Veluppillai’s were held and the secretiveness shown Govt claims lack credibility.

Even if the Govt had shown great care the general perception is that of doubt. The govt has created its own mess.

The Government has blundered badly by the callous conduct displayed towards Prabhakaran’s parents.

Its position has been further undermined by Thiruvenkadam Veluppillai’s death in military custody.

In 1976 when the old and sick TULF Leader SJV Chelvanayakam courted arrest through non-violent protests the Sirima Bandaranaike Govt refused to arrest and detain him.

Felix R Dias Bandaranaike told journalists with a chuckle that they did not want the old man to die in custody.

But the Rajapakse regime thought little on those lines.

It went ahead with the despicably controversial act of detaining ailing octogenarians seemingly because they brought Prabhakaran into this world.

The sick, old man has died in custody and military spokesman Brig. Udaya Nanayakkara reiterates that the best medical attention was given.

But the damage is done.

It is nothing but fitting that the govt makes arrangements for Prabhakaran’s father’s body to be cremated according to Hindu rites at the Theeruvil cemetery in Valvettithurai.

The govt owes it to this man who served the country faithfully for 39 years.

The Govt must also speedily release the mothers of Prabhakaran and Mathivathany.

If the war against terrorism is really over then why are two sick,old women being detained in a military cantonment?

DBS Jeyaraj can be reached at dbsjeyaraj2005@yahoo.com

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314 Comments

  1. I worked with the late Mr. Velluppillai from 1967 to 73. He was a decent gentleman. Very efficient and honest

    It was very wrong for govt to detain him and wife

    govt must see that he is cremated according to Hindu rites in his ancestral village

    The old ladies must be released immediately

  2. I am from VVT and know the respected Mr. Veluppillai well

    As you have said he was a very good man whose footprint wont even crush grass on which he walks

    Mr. Jeyaraj , I am impressed by your knowledge of the Thirumeniyaar family and history of VVT sivan temple

    Even now the extended family is called Sivan kovilady kudumbam

    May Velupillai Appa attain Moksha

  3. As a Sinhala Buddhist originally from Deniyaya I am ashamed of this govt for detaining eighty years old father and mother of Prabakaran

    The govt must take full responsibility for Mr. Vellupilai ‘s death

    Istrongly condemn the govt for this act

    We must demand that the two old ladies be released immediately

  4. May Mr. Vellupillai rest in peace. He sounds like the father, many of us had.
    Strong willed, proud, fair, disciplined,. loving, forgiving and always there for the child when the child got in to trouble. The incident when he walked in to the house and saw the son and walked out while the mother was feeding the son is something a lot of us can relate to. He respected the mother’s love for the son and acknowledged that it was the son’s right to return to his house.
    I hope some day we will know what happened to Mrs Prabakaran and the younger children and justice will be served to those who harmed them.

    “He sounds like the father, many of us had”……..I agree…………….DBSJ

  5. Indeed, Veluppillais detention I trust is a result of Triumphalism.

    Triumpalism wont last forever. But what about the Soosai Family DBSJ. I saw a video clipping where a Soldier was carrying one year old baby. There were also women and Teenage children.

    Where is that one year old Baby and other members of the family? Can you write sir please

    I will when I know or when I know they are safe……………..DBSJ

  6. When Prabakaran decided to carry out a losing battle that finally ended in June, he should have thought of his parents and in-laws. He should have thought “what would happen to them if I losetthis fight.”

  7. It is true that Prabakaran killed thousands of loyal, elderly Sinhala government servents. Why should we forgive his parents?

    What goes around comes around brother…

    I hope your parents are not killed because of you………………DBSJ

  8. Perhaps the reason why they’re held at Panagoda goes further. These parents had all the chances in the world to inform on their kid and end this war decades ago.
    They didn’t.
    Enough said.

    Let’s detain all the parents of wanted criminals then. Want to volunteer?…………DBSJ

  9. I earnestly request to consider writing a book on Tamil struggle. We need these information recorded and preserved for the future generations. Thanks,

    Thank you. I am thinking about it but I just dont have time now for that kind of disciline………….DBSJ

  10. Hats off Jeyaraj for another well informed article. As usual you keep the focus on the human dimension.

    Vijayaraghavan

  11. Nice article.Over thirty years these parents have never expresssed their dissatsfaction over prabhakaran.My appologies if they have made any without my knowledge.So many ,both sinhalese and tamils have lost their children and grand children due to prbha’s ruthlessnes.I don’t think one should held parents accountable to what son has done.I feel sorry for the old parents.But seeing them smiling with Prabha in a phograph reminds me how many parents in this country been cursed by loosing thier loved ones thanks to this megalomaniac and I can’t feel any sympathy for them.DBS you are wasting your valuable skills for glorifying this maniac and his family .Better use your pen for the rights of displaced tamil civilians and it make lot of sense.

    If this is “glorifying” then I do not know what you mean………………DBSJ

  12. DBS, Great Article!

    You said: “Very few believe that this was protective custody in the interests of the detainees themselves.
    It is widely believed that this act indicates a vindictive, triumphalist mindset ….”

    Wasn’t their detention more to do with the grand cover-up of military acts during the last days? If they were allowed to go to Canada, they would have revealed the truth to the western media.

    That is probably the reason for the detention of the doctors and other people with intimate knowledge of the last days.

    DBS! You have an amazing knowledge of events and stories from Jaffna past. Any ideas to compile them into a book?

    Thank you . Not at the moment though……………..DBSJ

  13. Man does not have control over his own fate and he is not a captain of his own soul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May he rest in peace!!!!!!

  14. “Thiruvenkadam Veluppillai was ultra-conservative in outlook and believed in caste distinctions. He had firmly resisted all attempts to get the Sivan temple open for worship by the so-called depressed castes” –

    This is a profile of a “Decent Man” – – This is why we can’t have a Tamil Home Land

    What happens to the Kochchikade Tamils? do they remain low caste cobblers and sakkiliyas?

    What happens to the Upcountry Tamils? Do they remain eternely as a tea plucking society (of course there legislators die of Cirrhosis)

    If the Tamil society can’t treat it’s own people how can they expect the Sinhalese to do so? (Don’t use this statement to justify bombing the Tamils)

    May be this happened in the 60s or 70s but still the truth is not far away.

    As long as Tamils can’t integrate the upcountry and the cobbler/sakkiliyas into the Mainstream society, they can’t talk of a Tamil homeland

  15. I hear Prabha’s mother Parvathi has been released. Could it be that the parents may shed more light as to what happened to their children the cause for their detention incommunicado?

  16. It seems that Prabakaran was born to a very decent Hindu Tamil family. Writer has not mentioned how prabha became a Cristian or a Catholic.Is is so unfortunate, that he
    changed his religion . Parents must have devastated for that reason too. They must have gone through hell.
    May the father attain Nibbana.

    Prabha did not become a Christian.He was always a Hindu with a secular outlook………..DBSJ

  17. The answer to your question on the very end of this article is obvious.

    1. They are Tamils
    2. There accounts of what happened will flood the media all over the world.
    3. The Sri Lankan government and majority of the Sinhalese people want them dead for producing the leading family in the Tamil liberation struggle’s armed phase.

    “Veluppillai apparently had resisted such pressure and had suffered physical deterioration as a result due to stress and mental agony.”

    I guess that is a nice way to say that he was “tortured”.

    Overall, I clearly dislike Mr.Veluppillai for upholding the caste system. However; for helping to produce the life that would be our “Thalivar” and a man of great importance to the Tamil people (not only for the Eelam Tamils) he should be admired. He should also be respected for being a dedicated loyal government servant for 39 years; something the Sinhalese would never understand when they say that we are out for separatism. We were out for equality, when we knew that was not possible we wanted self-rule within a united island, when we knew that was not possible we were out for separation and we are more then ever dedicated to that separation what ever the cost will be to the Sinhalese people (I speak for myself, my family, my friends and every Tamil that I have meet in my life).

    When the Tamils have the resources/power, we will look back to what happened to him and to the others, it’s the Sinhalese people themselves (the ones that cheered on for all the Tamil lives we have lost for the last 61 years or were unable to understand the Tamil suffering) that will be paying the price for his death (as well as others) and not the Sinhalese Sri Lankan government (most of the Tamils want that government alive and kicking so that the Sinhalese people will never be able to understand the Tamils to offer a solution).

    As Dr. Brian Senewiratne said: The Tamils have won the war, in that for the first time in history, at least in recent history, it has been very firmly established beyond any doubt, that there is no alternative to Eelam. For this, you have Rajapaksa and Fonseka to thank. When Eelam is finally established, which I have no doubt that it will be, these two characters who should have a statue erected at the entrance to Tamil Eelam “These are the two ‘patriotic’ (or idiotic) Sinhalese who made his possible.” You can also erect a statue of my uncle SWRD Bandaranaike which reads “This is the fellow who divided Ceylon in 1956 and made Eelam an absolute necessity” If there is room, which I guess there will be, and you are feeling generous, you can erect a statue of my aunt Sirima with “This is the dimbat who introduced so-called “standardization of Marks” and precipitated the armed struggle”, and if there is more room, you can slip in a statue of my cousin Chandrika, with “This is the woman who failed to get into Medicine (and thank God for that), threw away the only opportunity of undoing what her bloody parents had done, which would have prevented Eelam”.

    It doesn’t matter who you vote in the 2010 election….the Sinhalese people already signed with blood that a united Sri Lanka is impossible.

  18. A responsible narrative with a substantial educative content. In as much as the “sins of fathers should not visit their children” a decent and humane society will not permit a situation vice-versa. MR’s and Basil’s rejections will be noted by readers as much as the concerned persuasion of Tholar Thirumavalavan. ‘solluthaanum paraiyaillai” is more Malayalam than Tamil. The culture of decency is enhanced bringing to the notice of all the decency of VPs father and his repugnance to violence and militancy. For those who day in and out scream
    “all tigers are Tamils and therefore all Tamils are tigers” here is clear evidence even within a single house and family was a father who distanced his son from the family for his militant politics; refused to go for his wedding leave alone the separatist call. A good read. Well done.

    ISS

    Derivatives from he word “Parai” for tell or telling is widely used in Vadamaratchy dialect……….DBSJ

  19. Dear DBSJ,

    I will go against the tide and state that we, Sinhalayas’, have done a pariah act by detaining those people.

    It shows the utter callousness of the GOSL led by MR and his coterie. Sinhalayas have been taken for a ride too. For obvious reasons, the GOSL, have witheld these old people.
    You know that reason.

    I have really written against you and even called you with filthy words. But, I want to express my thanks to you for describing an area that we really do not know. Pictures are nice and we look forward to visiting Jaffna to meet our brothers and sisters; to relive an experience going back more than 25 years staying at Ashok Hotel.

    I am a proud Karawe man and that is one reason for casting my vote for Gen SF. Prabhakaran was nbody to me but he really embodied the warrior ability of a Karawe.

    You need to give a chance to Gen SF to take forward the country in the aftermath of the war. Also better never to make any reference to the war as it is a bygone memory. More important things need to be done for SRI LANKA.

    Best Wishes and Happy New Year!

    PS: I wish the GOSL saved VP’s wife, daughter and son. I got two kids at home. They should not have been killed because VP killed sinhala children or being children of VP.

    Thank You.No hard feelings. Best wishes for 2010…………..DBSJ

  20. dbs jeyraj, pirabarakaran is tamil peoples leader, theres no way you can change that

    It’s all over now………………….DBSJ

  21. Having Crucified Jesus, Romans did not punish Joseph the father; or Mary the mother to a Cross with the support of long nails penetrating through hard wood that was placed with no shade much longer than Four Days!

    Brutally Prabhakaren Killed thousands with No Mercy including innocents forcefully dragged away from loving parents
    with no Sympathy. Prabhakaren knew well: How he loved his children and Deep Love and Affection he had from his own Parents!

    He brainwashed ‘Child Soldiers’ wearing a 3″ white powdered talisman, is the only exit from Sinhalese Race
    in an emergency. That was another way of his killing his own young ones under his care. This was Past.

    Especially Buddhist Sinhalese making a great effort, in forgiving Prabhakaren;the no more! This is well proved by Rajapakse Government to all surrendered ones of LTTE Leader: Velupullai Prabhakaren; making them comfortable and even protecting them as no one else ever harm them, including the whole Family of Prabhakarens. These people are still alive with the Protection of Rajapakse Government that can be easily verified from any who had previously visited them.
    Some question why the local Media is not permitted given the same opportunity that has been extended to outsiders from Sri Lanka and whole heartedly welcome Foreign Dignitaries.

    Sadly some of Sri Lankan Media distort the full scenario along with posed pictures with arranged video shots. Unfortunately if any Media person face any form of danger, even before the locals its the Foreign Media flash their Propaganda stils and videos. This is the Crux of the Matter and Government of Sri Lanka class them as Terrorists!

    No Parents Hates or Curse their loved children. Prabhakaren Family is no exception.
    As Sinhalese Buddhist we sympathise with Prabhakarens. May Prabhakaren Sr. Attain Nibbana!

  22. I think government kept most people in custody in IDP camps to protect them from media from getting first hand information regarding the last phase of war. The same fate is for Mr Velupillai as well.
    I do not know how long this is going to last and most of information regarding the casualties of the battle will emerge over the next few years.
    Most of the casualties are know to the doctors who worked in Mulateeve and they will come up with numbers some point of time.
    We will see more and more videos as well.
    Mr Jeyaraj,
    What is your estimate of the human cost of the Eelam war 4 since 2006?

  23. Once again history re written to accomodate an agenda. Mr.Velupillai was from Kollam, Kerala. A mans birth is of no importance, but we should get the facts right. This man arrived in Sri Lanka in late 1940s and his failure to bring up his youngest son as a responsible human has caused over 100,000 deaths.

    Mr.Jayaraj, you will be a good novelist, write romance and crime stories and you will do well. You may even publish in “MIlls and Boon”. You should depart from writting political analysis and history because either you have too much imagination or you are gullible to believe in myths created around “Sun God “. Yours is a well written and factually deficient article. Do your research properly. I don’t expect you to publish my comment, but remember good old Abe once said ” You can not fool all the people all the time”.

    Leo Fernando,still trying to make out that Veluppillai was not a Tamil but facts are stubborn………..DBSJ

  24. I heard that Prabhakaran was a catholic. Is that true given their parents involvment of kovils? If it is true, then what was behind it? Thanks for your excellent article, DBS …

    Thanks. Prabhakaran was a Hindu though he named his son Charles Anthony after his friend who was a catholic…………DBSJ

  25. Superb article as usual. Well informed, measured and highly readable. SL governments have a knack of bungling its own affairs. This is another one.

  26. DBSJ states “If the war against terrorism is really over then why are two sick, old women being detained in a military cantonment?”

    Well, as we all know the real war is against the Tamils, and it was there before VP was born, during the time of VP and will continue after VP’s death. The “war against Terrorism” is just a cover up term, used to fool the IC.

    AS long as Tamils live in SL, and dare to fight for their rights, “war against Terrorism” will continue in SL.

  27. Not to allow people to worship in a temple is ridiclous. Aren’t all humans created by god. So denying them communicating with him is a slap on his face. Iam not surprised that Velu could not live the quiet life he yearned for.

    As for detaining him these are all sins the Rajapakshes will have to pay for one day, not to human rights commissions etc, but to god. All our debts finally have to be settled to him. By denying people access to him, we don’t know what really happenned and how he was treated. The petty mindedness and childishness of going after old parents in their eighties, shows the quality and maturity of the leaders of our country.

  28. Thank you SL forces for finishing off this family of Tamil scum. Well done. Hope they will never be born in Sri Lanka. Rot in hell for eternity you bastards

    Your comment exposes you for what you are……………….DBSJ

  29. It is reported that his body is been allowed to be taken to his native land to be cremated at their family cemetary in VVT, something that would not have happened an year ago.
    Definitely he will attain Nibana and his soul would leave this world peacefully. It is also reported that his wife also was released from the protective custody and that is another good deed. They should also release his sambanthiyamma, Mrs Erampu, who also has undergone tremendous agony and stress due to the displacements and loss of her daughter and grandchildren in a relatively very short time after her demise of her husband.

  30. “Besides after 39 years of dedicated loyal govt service, Veluppillai did not deserve to be branded as some terrorist or traitor by Mahinda in a bid to score electorally”.

    Did LTTE or Prabhakaran care anything what other citizens of Sri Lanka – Sinhalese, Tamil, Miuslims deserve regardless of what their parents and children are..???

    Prabhakaran’s father was too damn lucky at least to survive until a natural death having brought up a son who took thousands of innocent lives, even though it’s not directly their fault (but part of the blame goes to parents when a child is not brought up right as every child is born to this world with no label on them)…

    Has anyone ever bothered about those innocent, unknown, not famous (but not ill-famous too) who died for none of their mistakes while there are too many to speak about the rights of father of a Mass Murderer…????

    Wasgamuwa, are we to hang you if your son murders someone?……………….DBSJ

  31. Dear DBSJ

    Beautifully written.

    It’s a real sad story for a man for being a father like this.
    A gentleman lived with simplicity and truth has faced the trials until the last breath of his life.
    I can say that your article has the story in just few of your words
    ” The damage is done” absolutely right. there is no word to describe the feeling by any word more than that.
    Thanks DBSJ

    Ramya

  32. Being reading your articles for a long time, your ability to chunk these in depth articles at a rate is unbelievable.

    Thank you but I wonder for how long I could do this………………DBSJ

  33. Great article DBS Sir. Very touching tribute from you. It seems that Rakapase & Clan want to humiliate the Tamils further. This does not spell good for Sri Lanka. MDMK’s Vaiko was very close to Prabakaran’s parents and has given a nice tribute to the Late Velupillai. One will only hope that Praba’s mother and in-law are released immediately by the Crazy Racist Sinhalas in power led by Mahinda.

  34. at least the SLA had the decency to not torture and kill the two old fools but to keep them in a gilded cage . and the old man was lucky enough to die of what ails the old rather than the way praba’s men tortured and killed captured soldiers or his own enemies .

  35. My knowledge on #17

    It is because of this vicious rumours that Prabhakaran converted to christianity to get the leverage of western nations, he lost a section of a support base in TN and beyond.

    I am not sure if that turned the tide during the last few years but it did dent his popularity(or so called popularity).

  36. Very interesting read. Thanks DBSJ.

    I have been trying to collect my thoughts on this:

    1. Parents of a terrorist have nothing to do with their child’s sins. They are not part of it. But he probably could have helped to bring VP to justice and thereby avoid a lot of bloodshed in the country. (Like what the Nigerian dad had recently done with regard to his Son who tried to blow up a plane) of course, I am just speculating, probably VP kept all this a secret from his family until it was too late. Anyway a father’s love for a son can be understood only by a father.

    2. I like this government (+ SF etc) because it did what none other could do and I feel no fear to say that I will be eternally grateful for them for that. (Regardless of whether they are indeed war criminals or greedy corrupt family or any other loathsome life form like that)

    3. I will probably give them my vote once (bearing in mind I have not voted for them at any time in the past) at a token of my gratitude.

    4. In the above context, I want to believe, things didn’t happen the way DBSJ says they did. But this is nothing more than my belief. I am being naive.

    5. I really wish this govt. had a good team of PR consultants. Anyone with any experience could have told them that even with the ultimate luxury, (From what I have heard through my personal contacts, they were given a fairly comfortable life there) with this lack of transparency anyone with malicious intentions also can point the finger at the government and announce ‘you killed him..!’ even if it is not true.

    6. DBSJ, why do you think our govt is so stupid? Is it that they do not see it? Or is it indeed that they wanted to get some vengeance? Or is there some other dimension we do not know about?
    But I am sure most in the Govt. and most Sri Lankans has nothing personal against these two old people. So what great benefit could the govt get from their detention in this manner? These things baffle me endlessly….
    I can’t understand it.
    If I was the govt. I would have got them a flat in Wellawatta and give maximum publicity to it BUT, have the house under 24/7 surveillance. Not because they can do any harm but I would be interested in the people that would visit them.

  37. Prabaharan and his family are living now and having funerals, How may fathers, mothers and children were allowed by LTTE to do the same. Tamila “parai Tamila”, you are getting what you deserve, this includes DBSJ.

  38. Dear Mr,DBS.

    What a gem of an article.i am an indian tamil living in a middle east country.when i started reading your writing a year and half back i was cricitical of your Anti-ltte writings….over the course of time i have changed my opinion..you speak the truth man.excellent masterpiece. suggest if you could write in tamil so that many indian tamils could also enlighten themselves. I am fan of yours from today. keep writing

  39. What goverment did is right.due to some problems if anybody attack them while they are outside the goverment security same people who are crying for their free living at VVT or anywhere will blame goverment & President that they are responcible for the attack.

    Except for Douglas&Karuna who are part of this govt and had their brothers killed by LTTE I dont think anyone else would have attacked two old people. Do you?……………………….DBSJ

  40. This is not something that I would have wanted to comment on in light of the sad content; the passing of a father.We can’t be the judges of who is right or wrong or guilty or innocent as we know so little about VP’s childhood and the part his parents played in the making of this monster and his final unmaking of himself and the entire family including his own innocent children.It sems that from the accounts of hardships encountered by the thousands of innocent tamil people who were languishing in IDP camps, VP’s relatives have received substantially preferential treatment.
    You should stick to reporting the facts as you deem proper even though we detect perceptible bias.However they are your views and you are entitled to express them.By the same token you must leave the judgement of what is right or wrong on the basis of the facts to us the readers as we perceive them. It is my respectful view that your reprimands to readers for expressing views that aren’t supportive of your views and conclusions are neither fair nor consistent with the very principal that you so often seem to be wanting to champion namely “freedom of expression”.

    Responding to comments is an integral part of freedom of expression…………..DBSJ

  41. Thank you for the article. If you can avoid the reference of caste in your future articles, it would be better. Caste is a system which currently has no base and we should remove it. We should remember people for their character and not for the caste they are/were identified with. 9I will say similar things for race and religion too.)

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    I refer to caste at times because it is an integral part of Indian and Sri Lankan society. In understanding the socio-political dynamics of these societies the caste dimension is important

    Casteism cannot be wished away by simply ignoring it. One must accept it as a reality and then find ways of eradicating its evil aspects

    In India socially backward castes are openly designated as such and given quotas in higher education and govt employment. If we are to “ignore” caste then how do we classify the oppressed castes and empower them?

    If we are to abolish social evils we must accept they exist and only then confront them.

    If we simply “ignore” it and try to go ahead with life as if everything is hunky-dory then caste oppression will continue

    I write about caste because I am NOT caste – conscious. Personally I have no superior or inferior attitude towards any caste group. Hence I write freely about it

    I refer to castes as a matter of fact in a detached academic sense

    I neither condemn nor praise any caste group

    I do not know why this causes a “problem” to some

    If I were to write about the political intricacies of African politics then I would refer to tribes. This does not make me tribalist or tribe conscious.

    If I were to write about the political intricacies of many western nations then I will refer to class and/or race

    This does not make me class or race conscious

    It is in the same vein that I write about caste

    Those who know me personally know that I am liberated from caste

    But when I am inquisitive about certain aspects of caste purely out of a spirit of inquiry some tend to misunderstand

    If a western academic or journalist wrote about caste no one advises him/her to refrain from writing about it.

    But when I do ,I get this kind of reaction

    If we do not accept that the caste factor exists in Sri Lanka the Govigama-Vellala hegemony cannot be changed

    By the way I do think that people who get excited at my merely mentioning caste are the ones who need to be liberated from caste consciousness

  42. May he attain nibbana………..! Though his son made many ppl(sinhala+tamil srilankans +indians) die in most cruel way, he has nothing to do with that. he must had sufferered a lot for his own son cruelity……..also SL govt could have given more attention(medical) and respect to this gentleman.

  43. I think there is more than triuphalism on the part of GOSL. Maybe they are afraid that VP’s parents would become living monuments to the memory of VP.

  44. Dear DBS

    Many have told this; I am shamelessly telling it again. ” Please write a book on Eelam struggle- from oldrn days to this days”

    There is no one else who is more suitable than you to do the job

    Thank you. I am thinking about it but I dont have the time right now for that kind of discipline……….DBSJ

  45. Dear DBS

    superb article, It shows that your articles are unbiased and tell the true story. Well done. But one question?. there is a widespread rumour among tamils that prabhakaran belongs to a low caste? Why was that? After reading your article i came to know he came from a good caste…
    keep up your good work.

  46. Anay palayang yanna para kotiyo. Thopi ahinsaka minussu bus piting pupurawaddi, ahinska goviya kapala kotala maradhi thopita nikang wath hithune naha nedha ea minussu thopita mookuth karey nathi waga. Fu&#king DBSjayaraj tho ahuwunoth thowath Tire uda yawanne para demala.

    Doi.Doi. Doi. Doiya baba, Bai,bai, bai, Baiya Baba,………………………DBSJ

  47. Death comes to everybody. It is no point me saying ‘Deepest Sympathies’ as VP killed so many Sinhala villagers of that age while they were sleeping and when they were pleading for their lives. They were hacked to death, and did he think of his father when he looked at them. ?. There are some bleeding hearts writing on this blog because none of their people were hacked to death by VP. If VP got his homeland by killing innocent Sinhalese and Tamils, today this old man would have been livinng like royalty.

    Mahinda did a great favour for them by keeping them in protective custody. This person lived upto eighty six years which is a good innings by any one’s language, but thousands and thousands of Sri Lankans (Sinhala & Tamil) could not even reach half that age because of this man’s son VP.

    So, all you bleeding hearts, my heart is bleeding too.

  48. According to you Mr. DBS Jayaraj, a democratically elected government that fought against terrorism to save the Sri Lanka people no matter what ethnic backgrounds there maybe are now considered as the terrorists, and the Velupilley Prabakaran the leader of the LTTE, the terrorist leader, the dog who killed men women children at their sleep, women who got raped and killed by the LTTE dogs are so innocent and have not done anything against the democracy. According to you DBS Jayaraj, LTTE leader and his sympathizers including parents and other family members of the LTTE Dog leaders are all innocent.

    DBJ Jayaraj and the remaining LTTE Terrorists in the world must be prosecutted and punished for their crimes against humanity, and the crimes against democracy. There should be war crimes leveled on remaining LTTE agents accross the globe and punished them for their crimes.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Machang Jayantha

    I have not stated anything which you claim I did. You understand “Kaduwe” no?

    You are foaming at the mouth. It’s an ugly sight.Please wipe it off with a kerchief. Otherwise some trigger-happy vigilante might shoot you thinking you are a rabid,mad canine.

    As for punishing people for war crimes we must wait and see who will become president.Then the winner can prosecute the loser as a war criminal. Whom are you voting for?

    As for prosecuting me for crimes against humanity I think the only “crime” I have committed against “humanity” is releasing your comment without editing.

  49. DBS,

    Thanks for the reply.I hope the elderly farther will attain moksha and the rest of the family will be looked after well.We are at a critical juncture of a long journey.I believe Prabha lost his struggle because he lacked credibility ,focus ,vision and flexibility.

    If someone like Mandela or Castro led the tamil struggle this country would have been divided long time back. Hurting sinhala sentiments by slaughtering innocents and attacking Sri maha bodhi or Dalada maligawa tamils won’t gain a recognition for their struggle from majority sinhalese people.In the same breadth burning Jaffna library and killing innocent tamil civilians during July riots we have hurted tamil sentiments badly.This has been further fuelled by the recent most incidences of the final face o f the war. By reading the responses I feel many tamils still live with the bitterness in their hearts.

    The biggest challenge we face is bridging the mistrust and animosity between the two communities I believe. I know by reading your articles for long time you are against segregation.Please use your pen for this timely and much needed task of national reconciliation.The country is going along the wrong track as usual.There is only a glimmer of hope.From the election manifesto SF has recognized tamils should be given thier rights to live peacefully as equal citizens and their leadership has been acknowledged which is a good sign.

    I hope this is not a election gimmick.I have experianced both being a majority and a minority .In a civilized coutry the most valuable weapon is a strong legal system.Discrimination is there wherever you go.We are better than countries like Malaysia where there is open discrimination.Our problem is complicated by limited resources and lack of opportunities more than the discrimination .I may be wrong.The important aspect is if someone is a victim of discrimination the system should be strong enough to bring it to the justice .

    This is where we have failed miserably.We should fight together for a strong and fair legislature so anyone can live anywhere in the country without fear and discrimination.The end of the long tunnel we are going through where we suppose to see some light seems to be nowhere near.This is very very sad.

  50. Mr DBSJ,

    Who cares about the caste system anymore? Who cares about Piripharan and his family? The chapter of this family has ended with Piriphrans death. It’s an ugly past with all sri lankans suffering and dying. The war is over, let all Sri Lankans work together to make Sri Lanka peaceful and Prosperous. All Sri Lankan should unite to get rid of all corrupt politicians and give more power to the citizens of the country. The war that really needs to be fought is the war for human rights and elimination of corruption and bigger government control.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Oh really?

    If no one cares about the caste system can non-Govigama caste Bhikkus be enrolled in the Siam Nikaya?

    Why do marriage adverstisements in Colombo newspapers mention caste?

    Why is Mahinda Rajapakse conducting a “whisper”campaign against Sarath Fonseka on the grounds that the General belongs to the Karawe community?

    Also if the chapter of family has ended after Prabhakaran’s death and if no one cares about Prabhakaran’s family as you say – why were his parents detained in an army cantonment? why take all that “care”

    Why did Sarath Fonseka and Mahinda Rajapakse refer to Prabhakaran’s parents if no one cares about them?

  51. While Mr Velupillai was conservartive as majority of well to do tamils his son was liberal and against the cast system among the tamil community. Let’s Tamil Diaspora follows the footstep of Prabaha and fight against the cast system within the Tamil community.

  52. #46-Lalith Fernando

    What goverment did is right.due to some problems if anybody attack them while they are outside the goverment security
    ——————————————————————————–
    Thanks for your concern, but read the article properly. Their children who are abroad wanted to bring them over.

    In the same vein there may be many elderly couples in the south too who are in danger from thugs and hooligans. Why don’t you recommend that they are incarcerated in army camps for their own safety.

  53. I don’t believe you took so much pain to write about a criminal’s dad. Ok he may have been a nice human being, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a terrorist’s dad.

    What a pity you had to read this and even take the trouble to share your thoughts………..DBSJ

  54. Hi,

    I really doubt that Mr. Velupillai and prabhakaran were estranged or Mr. velupillai never liked prabha’s ways. If you read the interviews of Mr.Vaiko in junior vikatan/kumudam reporter it looks like Velupillai loved his son’s actions. He would name Mr.Vaiko’s relative kids as prabha and looks like he has been saying Prabha is the saviour of tamils etc.,

    I dont know who is telling the truth you or Mr. vaiko. Can you please comment on Mr.Vaiko’s utterances from the interview.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Vaiko?

    Has he admitted that Prabhakaran is dead?

    Even when parents and children are estranged does the love between them diminish?I dont know about you but I find there is always a mixed nature in these relationships.Even when he was not on speaking terms with the son ,Mr. Veluppillai gave a letter retaining counsel to defend his son jailed in Chennai

    I have covered a vast period of their life with all ups and downs. Yet people like you dont understand what you read.

    Furthermore people like you exploit this comments section to insinuate that I am not telling the truth

    By the way this same Gopalaswamy used to boast that he(Vaiko)had named his grandson Prabhakaran. Is he saying now that Veluppillai named him Prabhakaran?

    Having damaged the Sri Lankan Tamil cause extensively these discredited pro-tiger politicos continue to fabricate misinformation and disinformation.

    They are now trying to create a myth around Praba’s father and continue to mislead Tamil Nadu people further

    These charlatans must first state that Prabhakaran is dead and honour his memory before trying to portray his father in a different light

    By the way I dont have to respond to what is uttered by Tamil Nadu politicos like Vaiko on this or any other matter.

    I stand by what I have written. If you want to believe me then do so. Otherwise You are most welcome to believe Vaiko or others if you want. That’s not my problem. Its entirely up to you

    Would you dare to ask Vaiko whether he is telling the truth in the way you ask me?

  55. It is utterly reprehensible of the Rajapakse’s to have kept these old people in sort of a “house arrest” like this. If the old people have not asked for protection (as claimed by the govt) then Rajapase is crude as crude can be.
    I can only think of my own father who put up with a whole lot of nonsense from me, didn’t approve of all I did, but still loved and cared about me. Senior Prabakaran should not have been made to feel a criminal just because his son turned out to be a horrendous murderer. We make our own lives and decisions and parents must not be held responsible for those obvious decisions we make.
    Shame on the SL govt of Mahinda Rajapakse for harassing these old people (I’m assuming DBSJ version of the story to be true and not the claim by the govt that it was the wish of the senior vellupillai to be kept in govt custody).

    Please read what I’ve written with understanding……………….DBSJ

  56. “young Prabhakaran used to mix freely with all kids particularly those from so-called lower castes”.

    Then why prabakaran, Kittu and many more got married fair girls from High Cast.

    Why did they not get married any girls lower than fishing cast and darker?

    Why, did you propose your daughters to them for marriage and did they refuse ?…………DBSJ

  57. Dear DBSJ,
    We all knew that VP, a freedom fighter but SL Govt always states that VP a terrorist because they couldn’t handle him. To get support from India & other countries, they branded our great Thamil leader VP a terrorist.. One thing I can say, VP has seen number of presidents & prime ministers , where as SL Govt seen only one VP. This should be recorded in Guiness book of Records. Very soon, entire world will point out who was the actual terrorist..

  58. Dear DBSJ

    Do you think this is fault of SL GOV ?

    Infact father is not guilty for what his son does.

    But son ( V.P ) make them suffer. Not only his parents , Many tamil & sinhala civiliance.

  59. dear DBSJ
    Excellent piece. Thought provoking.If this is the way things are moving forward sweet taste of victory may soon turn to acrid ashes.
    Magnanimity seems to be a word lost or unheard in the
    dictionary of the victors.
    I look eagerly to your next post
    With all regards
    May your golden pen never dry up
    REVI

  60. DBSJ

    Do you think or see on your crystal ball that the War Crime Tribunal/ Committee will be announced by UN before PE ?

    I have no crystal ball but the answer is “NO”……………….DBSJ

  61. dear jey,
    it has not been a good year last year 2009 and one hopes that this year it will prove to be one.jey i could not figure out your reply to one mr.peter brock do u have any health or financial problems that made you to reply how long you can do so.it worries me becoz it has became a habit for me on saturdays and sundays to read and comment about your blog and other eelam news.i hope that my apprehensions will not turn into truth.we want dbsjey to keep on writing.one mr.confused confucius has remarked about caste system in tamil society and has lamented about it.it reminds me of a tamil saying adu ninaigirathe enru onai ayuthatham i am sure that confucius is a sinhalese every society has got pitfalls hindu society is no exception despite the fact that christianity has been there for two thousand years there is discrimination based on colour mature societies will evolve and definitely tamil society will also become progressive.another gentlemen aravinda had posted his comments about vellupillai being born in kollam and migrated to srilanka.it is nothing but a propoganda to show that vellupillai was not a native tamil and hence his family does not have moral right to fight for tamils.what happened to the old lady who claimed that vellupillai was her maternal uncle why is she keeping quiet i dont see her news items in tamil weeklies after the death of vp.i am not an admirer of vp but as you have potrayed in this blog he was a powerful symbol of tamil struggle.it is a tragedy that tamil society had to rely on vp rather than svc onus is on chauvinistic sinhala society and not tamil society.as far as vellupillais death he was a role model for all tamils.very religious,very self righteous a typical tamil father we can see in many middle class tamil families.one hopes that his soul will rest in peace.it would have been fitness of thing if they had stayput in trichy itself they would have atleast had peace in their life.one hopes that vps mother will come to india and stay with their eldest daughter who is at present in tamil nadu.jey i had an opportunity to visit chennai book fair i have bought lots of books on tamil society in srilanka and one book which is making waves in tamil nadu now is a book about rajiv assasination case by ex cbi officer i hope u catch hold of it.bye

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    How I envy you.

    I have bought books at the Chennai book fair those days. I hear its really big nowadays. What’s this book you are referring to?

  62. Dear Mr. DBS

    Thanks for writing this article from humanitarian perspective. It is a good one. My compliments.

    Enlightened people like you, Mr. DBS, what matters in the final analysis is ‘BEAUTIFUL HUMANITY’.

    Thanks and keep up the good work.

    Dr. Kathir

  63. Well done DBS,
    Perhaps you have already started but you must write the history of Tamils in the last 60 years since you seem to write after painful research, honesty and objectivity.

    Thank youfor an impartial account.

  64. Thanks DBSJ, you researched well for this.

    Felt very sorry for Velupillai not as father of VP, but as an innocent old man who wanted to have simple and peaceful life.

    As far I am concerned, it has no significance whether he is father or mother of a “wanted” in treating an old man. I am well aware how his son VP killed many fathers/mothers regardless of their age. When LTTE can’t find the son, they killed the father for the sins of his son.

    There are ten thousands of faceless Velupillaies who have suffered at the hand of LTTE and GOSL for the same reason.sad reality.. They all wanted to have simple and peaceful life; their lives were torn apart by LTTE and GOSL. I am sure Karma will get these MR & Brothers one day. Who knows what 26th January will bring to MR and brothers?

  65. The Moguls captured the son’s of Guru Gobind Singh. They wanted to execute them.

    Then the Maharaja of Malerkotla (he was a Muslim), said ‘what wrong these children have done. Just because we are not able to capture the Guru, should we punish his sons’. Let the sins of their Father not be heaped on his son’s’.

    Though his words fell into deaf ears, the Sikhs held him in high esteem.

    Later Sikhs avenged the killing of their Guru’s sons’. But they spared the Malerkotla nawab and his little Kingdom.

    Even during the height of the partition riots, the Muslims went to Malerkotla for a relative safety and security for their person and property.

    I am somehow reminded of this incident when I read this article.

  66. “The TUF youths now began ridiculing Veluppillai saying “now see what has happened. What are you going to do”? Seething with fury Thiruvenkadam Veluppillai said “I will stand by my declaration and withdraw from the temple”. He promptly did so and his cousin Sinnathurai became trustee.”

    From the above paragraph it is clear that Mr. Velupillai relinquished his hold over the temple as he did not want any violence!!! Just imagine if it is Mahinda Rajapakse, he would have ordered the entire opponents to be killed!!! If it is Mahinda Rajapakse and his clan they could have made money out of the temple management!!!

    For people who says that he deserve no sympathy because of his son, What does successive Sinhalese leaders deserve who brought Sri Lanka to this state with their policy of violence against Tamils and depriving the Tamils of their rights!!! How many Tamil civilians they killed and maimed. All the decendents of the 3 Bandaranaykes, JRJ, Premadasa, MR and his brothers and numerous relations deserve the same fate as VP according to some of the commentators!!!!!

  67. Dear DBS
    I disassociate myself from comment 33’s commentator Pearl.
    My name is Pearl Thevanayagam and I definitely would not write such scurrilous comment.

  68. Happy New Year to DBS & follow readers!

    As usual, excellent & touching article from DBS and fantastic tribute to Mr.Veluppilai. Even though he has ultra-conservative views he is a nice gentleman and respected by many people including MR who I heard used to work with him and has good opinion about him (but I’m not sure about this story). I’ve take this opportunity to convey my deepest condolence to his entire family. As far as I heard, right from the beginning Mr.Veluppilai never accepted VP’s terror activities and even his last days in Vanni he criticized his son publicly as whenever he goes to the bank to collect his stage pension. He could have had better life overseas with LTTE illicit wealth but he has been living as ordinary man with his state pension. This is common sense mothers always attach with younger sons even they are naughty and families reconcile their rift after grand children born. Mr& Mrs Veluppilai can’t be exceptional to this family tendency. Now Sivajilingam going to take over his body but he should not use this as his political business. Government should facilitate and make the arrangements as his wife and other children pay their last respect to him and take part his funeral in VVT.

    LTTE media in the west never paid their last respect to their leader VP but giving big hype to Mr.Velluppilai’s death in custody. Also they give ‘Heroic salute and call him as ‘Father of Tamil Nation’. This is very sad these people try to link this innocent man to the ‘Armed struggle’ that Mr. Velluppilai never support. This is the reason that Government hold these old people in the custody. If the Government let them go free; LTTE media obtain the story from them and manipulated for their propaganda. Other than this, Government not going to gain anything by holding them. Basil said they would not allow them to go to a western country but may consider sending them to India if an application was made. It is not clear that their family made any effort to release them out as Basil said. At least now Government should re unite these 2 ladies with their family.

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  70. DBSJ your reply to 49 Preethi is one of the best.
    Caste system is alive and well in SL, but we use it when it suits us. You mentioned all what I wanted to write.

  71. this is what i like about you Jeyarajah:

    Jayantha | January 9th, 2010 at 4:27 am

    According to you Mr. DBS Jayaraj, a democratically elected government that fought against terrorism to save the Sri Lanka people no matter what ethnic backgrounds there maybe are now considered as the terrorists, and the Velupilley Prabakaran the leader of the LTTE, the terrorist leader, the dog who killed men women children at their sleep, women who got raped and killed by the LTTE dogs are so innocent and have not done anything against the democracy. According to you DBS Jayaraj, LTTE leader and his sympathizers including parents and other family members of the LTTE Dog leaders are all innocent.

    DBJ Jayaraj and the remaining LTTE Terrorists in the world must be prosecutted and punished for their crimes against humanity, and the crimes against democracy. There should be war crimes leveled on remaining LTTE agents accross the globe and punished them for their crimes.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    Machang Jayantha

    I have not stated anything which you claim I did. You understand “Kaduwe” no?

    You are foaming at the mouth. It’s an ugly sight.Please wipe it off with a kerchief. Otherwise some trigger-happy vigilante might shoot you thinking you are a rabid,mad canine.

    As for punishing people for war crimes we must wait and see who will become president.Then the winner can prosecute the loser as a war criminal. Whom are you voting for?

    As for prosecuting me for crimes against humanity I think the only “crime” I have committed against “humanity” is releasing your comment without editing.

  72. DBSJ

    Did you get a chance to see MR’s Poster in Tamil with Vijaya K. .What a pathetic Cheap Sinhala style vote beggar.He has been begging hroughout the Globe – Kicked out by West. Now He will be kicked out by Tamil voters too

  73. many relatives of the Rajapaksha family left the country in the past few days through VIP lounge of the Colombo Katunayake Airport carrying large amounts of funds to invest in foreign banks.

    James

    Balagana inne yako..
    You will no longer a homeless man in Toronto.

    You are lucky machang

  74. #87 bob

    That must be why they recently relaxed the foreign exchange regulations from 2000 USD to 5000 USD.

  75. “Wasgamuwa, are we to hang you if your son murders someone?……………….DBSJ”

    It is not about one person murders another that should be dealt with prevailing law… Prabhakaran took thoudans of innocent lives just for his wish… He was cursed, branded criminal and his bad influence were all over the society affecting everyone… It is not practically (may be ideologies) possible such a criminal’s family members to be expected to be without any hardships from suppressed…

    I’m not saying Prabha’s parents should hv been murdered… but your sympathy asking so-called equal rights, free from little invonveniences to a mass murderer’s family is questionable, while there are so many innocents at large whose equal rights were buried unheard.

    If my son keeps murdering and running a mock in the society making everyone’s life a hell, then YES… I shouldn’t hv expected to spend a life all free from hardships, just as a normal citizen.. Cos by being a family member (caring one as you mentioned) of such a crude, I have not done my rightful duty to society just because of to safe guard my family interests.

    Wasgamuwa,are ypu saying Mahinda should have executed the Veluppillais as punishment?……….DBSJ

  76. #23:
    Hello MaMa,
    How did Percy become Dr.Percy?
    If a grade 12 dropout could end up with a Ph.D without ever stepping into a University, why can’t a grade 7 dropout enter University?Did Dr.Mervin complete his grade 7.I suppose anything is possible in the land of Percy.
    Have a nice day!
    Siva.

  77. comment #23
    In Sri Lanka, If a person is a sinhalese and has a father who has some political influence even a grade 7 drop out can get a law degree. How did you think Mahinda got his law degree, or Mahinda’s children get to do higher studies?

  78. Somehow it feels sad that none of Mr.Velupillai’s children are coming to the funeral. Are they hating them for their choice to stay with VP? Or are they being circumspect about their safety when they step into SL? Given the GOSL’s assurance, I’d think it’s a bit sefish on their part.

  79. Hi friend
    you are a good comentator,you struggle to satisfy majority of readers.finaly you get hurt.
    “when ignorense is bliss tiss foly to be wise”

    I try to INFORM and not PLEASE readers when I write.It is impossible to satisfy all people………….DBSJ

  80. Old Mr Vellupillai is much like allmost all Tamil Govt Servants of yesteryear. Straight and steadfast in their belief. In my opinion if they were in the panagoda camp they would have been looked after decently and with care. Dont forget that we Sri Lankans have a short memory and will not harbour grudges against a feeble couple even if they were the father of the devil himself. Given the fact that Mt Vellupillai is a stubborn chap only his wife can tell whether it was on his own accord they stayed in the camp and not with the IDP. Please dont misunderstand that staying in the camp means as if you are in prison. I hope that what I say is correct and have no real proof but rest my text on standard human behavior which all of us are blessed with.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    The average Sri Lankan is a decent person. I agree. But it is the govt that messes up things often. When the Tsunami struck the people of Sri Lanka rose to the occasion and cared for each other without religious or racial prejudice. But the problem started when the “govt” started stepping in and funds started pouring in from abroad. Thereafter we saw a deterioration of human values

    In this case the Veluppillais could have been placed in an ordinary house with a few guards. There could have been access to relatives and friends and concerned humanitarian organizations. I dont think anyone would have attacked the old couple.

    Let us not forget that they lived in India without any problem even during the time the LTTE was fighting the Indian army. Even later none of the Tamil groups attacked them in India.

    I also think that the soldiers within the Panagoda cantonment would have looked after them well. They would not have been treated badly

    Sadly the Rajapakse regime blundered badly by placing them there with access restricted. Today politicians from Tamil Nadu are engaging in false propaganda aboutthem. Some LTTE propagandists are also alleging that they he was tortured and killed without adequate medical attention

    Now they have released the mother without imposing any conditions

    Why on earth could they not have released the old couple earlier to go either to India or Valvettithurai?All these negative publicity could have been avoided

    This is where I think the arrogant, triumphalist mindset of Mahinda came into play. The remarks he made about the parents for election propaganda shows that in his perception they were “guilty” like their son. In another sense they were trophy prisoners

  81. Thiruvengadam Veluppillai was a honest and decent govt servant, who was beyond the racial division of Srilanka. He had served both Tamils and Sinahlese without any prejudice. He was non-political.

    He deserves a decent funeral without any interference from both the Sinhala nationalist and tamil tigers.

  82. Happy new year Mr.Jeyaraj!
    Thank you very much for this nice tribute Mr.Velupillai.
    My condolences to his family and friends.

    ‘Mahinda Rajapakse’s references to Prabhakaran’s parents demonstrated clearly that he perceived them as being “guilty” because Prabhakaran was their son.

    I only hope that Mahinda’s departed parents are not tarnished in similar fashion by others if their children are convicted for war crimes or corruption’

    well said Mr.Jeyaraj. This is the beauty of your journalism.

    ken

  83. Old Mr. Valupillai was correct when he said his son has brought trouble to his family. But I would say VP was responsible for the ultimate plight of his parents, his sisters and all other followers no one else. When we face a conflict, we can try to solve it by reasonable means. If it fails the come back on us would also be minimal. However if we go all out to achieve our state of mind, come what may, with great brutality, then the come back will also be brutal. Then we cannot say, so and so has been unreasonable because we brought the outcome ourselves. People always respond to what we do to them. The fall out from brutality can be anything, just as we saw in WW2, Hitler’s wife, Mussolini’s girls friend, Goebbels wife and six children all perished at the end although they had nothing to do with their men’s decisions.

    Soosai for me was the real leader for he disagreed with VP but fought like a man and died for the cause of his commander. He also made provision for his family to escape. Why didn’t VP do the same? Didn’t he know in his do or die frame of mind, his parents may fall into the hands of the opposition?

    The important question in my mind is not the past but the future. Where is the reconciliation? TNA is covertly following the same LTTE policy. There is no responsible Tamil leadership.

  84. 89. Chinthaka
    I have already hanged MR & Co & SF & the battalion in my courts. They are all gone. No Point talking. But These dead are seeking Presidency in the Pariah state of SL.UN is continuously banging with War Crimes. EU is continuously withdrawing GSP +. SLG continuously Denying as nothing happened ! Never seen a Drama like this on TV.

  85. # 19 . Parai (tell), Moan(Son), Moal(Daughter) are few words sound Malayalam, that are weidly in use of entire Jaffna.

  86. dear jey,

    as you said chennai book fair has become very big.it was really heartening to see huge crowd despite the hectic schedule under which one works in urban areas coming to book fair and buying books.it is my view that a society can be defined by its literary activities and in that way chennai or tamil nadu seems to be showing the way.we have madurai as well as coimbatore book fairs though not in this scale.

    i bought a book by one mr.raghothaman retd cbi officer who probed rajiv gandhi assasination case and he has written in detail how it was planned and executed.i have finished reading it and i have bought book thol.thirumavalavan mulvali not mulveli clevery substituting a single letter i have read the series which was published in junior vikatan unfortunately two or three parts i could not read due to paucity of time so i am thinking of catching up and i have bought a book by kannadasan vanavasam where he has brought in his political as well as personal experiences in writing.

    for the first time kannadasan pathipagam has brought out arthmulla hindu matham in a single volume.jey one of the distressing aspects of sinhala response i read here is all the blame is being heaped on the doorsteps of vp and they totally forget the fact that they only created vp it was not tamils who did it.but in hindsight i happened to read parts of jn dixits book about how vp reacted to indo srilanka agreement i think it was utterly foolish on his part to have rejected it.it was quite obvious that sinhalese will at no cost allow a division of the country.if he had settled for north east merger over the course of time may be north east council would have got the autonomy by now.it would have prevented the killing of innocent people and even ltte leaders like kittu,mathayya etc.what a waste of lives.

    i hope atleast sinhalese government in future will not waste time in preventing the merger of north and east .another aspect which has always riled me is why are sinhalese so hell bent on projecting their culture as an unique one except for the language which i guess is a mixture of pali and sanskrit budhism is there everywhere it is in bhutan,thailand,myanmar,south korea and even in china what is unique about sinhala culture.

    atleast jews have a point that israel is the only unique country which has judaism as its religion i wonder why sinhalese are so possessive about their culture even their way of following budhism does not seem to be correct i read in todays newspaper that srilankan speaker was sent off with chappals being thrown at him in vaitheeswaran koil near chidambaram obviously he had come to that temple town for seeing nadi josiyam for which it is famous for.budha was against all these superstition he loathed brahminical form of hinduism it is really amusing to see these sinhalese politicians making a beeline to tirupathi,thrissur,thiruchendur lol i wonder whether they are budhist or confused budhist.

  87. #92

    They were going to come but changed their minds when Gota told them just to be doubly sure hold some white flags.

  88. Mahinda did wrong in detaining Vellupilai at panagoda army camp. Now he will be blamed for praba’s paters death

  89. #101-Jagan Sriram

    budha was against all these superstition he loathed brahminical form of hinduism it is really amusing to see these sinhalese politicians making a beeline to tirupathi,thrissur,thiruchendur lol i wonder whether they are budhist or confused budhist.
    ——————————————————————————–
    I think my friend it is you who are confused. Bhuddha was not an atheist and did not tell not to believe in god. he only showed the correct path for living in order to achieve peace of mind and happiness. he is not going to turn in his grave just because Bhudhists are praying to god. What would have made him unhappy is if they do not follow the rules he laid down, but call themselves true Bhudhists.At one time India, Afghanistan was Bhudhist. Probably because people wanted a god to worship,they gradually moved away from Bhudhism.. That does not mean there is anything in Bhudhism that conflicts with Hinduism. Hence you see Sinhalese worshipping in temples and also observing Bhudhist rites.

  90. Mahinda planning to attend Vellupiillaai funeral in Valvettithurai today I hear. His henchman Shivajilinkam organizing surprise appearance by presdent

  91. I hope and prey that Rajapaksha wife and children are run over by a truck and die after suffereing for so many months. I hope and prey Rajapaksha will bury one by one of his family members in coffins bought by him spending his own money

  92. I also heard Basil wanted Vellupillai children in Canada and Denmark to pay 50,000 dollars to get parents released from custody

  93. >Derivatives from he word “Parai” for tell or telling is widely used in Vadamaratchy dialect……….DBSJ

    Also, it was far too common word in Atchuvely, Avarangal, and Neervely; Perhaps it flew from Vadamaratchy to other portions. It was far more than a common word in my village which is not in Vadamaratchy, but closer ;

  94. >54. Singahabahu | January 9th, 2010 at 4:09 am

    Dear Sir,

    If you have the capability to read this article written in English, you should have the capability to write in English or at least in broken English; The probability of you using the latter is high !

  95. >108. James Thenuwara | January 10th, 2010 at 3:13 am

    As my name suggest, I am a Tamil. However, I do not wish the mishaps as in your post for his wife/children for his mistakes; I wished the truck thingy for the real criminals though’

  96. DBS – In your opinion, do you think that LTTE was justified in waging an armed struggle for freedom?

    Do you think that there are still reasons left in Sri Lanka for the Tamils to fight for an independent homeland or self-governance?

  97. 105. shankar

    Budha never said there is god and also he never said there is no god.
    ‘It may that some Gods’ are good and evil some, but all in action weak’, was his words.

    Again ‘ How is it that the Brahm (God) created this world and keeps it in misery. If all powerful he keeps it so he is not God and if not powerful he is not good’.

    These were the words of the Budha.

    Budhism was one of a leading religions in India. then it waned. Even now we see the relics and symbols of Budhism and Jainism everywhere in India, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.

    Yes. People wanted God to worship. Therefore they made Budha into a God in the Mahayana tradition. The Hinayana tradition doesn’t have concept of God.

    Swami Vivekananda would say that the Budhism is the logical conclusion of the Hinduism like the Christianity is the logical conclusion of the Judaism.

    Hindus made Budha into an avatar of Vishnu.

    A local tradition names him as Gayasura. You can hear about the story of Gayasura from the Gayashetra. Gaya is important for the Hindus as well as Budhists. Of course Bodh Gaya is a few miles from the Gaya city.

    Welcome to India and witness its tolerance, secular character etc.

  98. Sorry it must have been

    How is it that the Brahm (God) created this world and keeps it in misery. If all powerful he keeps it so he is not God and if not powerful he is not God’.

  99. DBS comment @ 94:

    “Some LTTE propagandists are also alleging that they he was tortured and killed without adequate medical attention…………”

    I don’t think this allegation is true. This is ridicules propagandist use these vulnerable people for their wicked motive. I hope Gov’t did look after them reasonably ok. I think they were ok at custody than outside. Otherwise, LTTE sympathizers start knocking their door and irritating them on their old age. That might have brought them unwanted trouble. This is the reason may be Mr.Velupillai wish not been released.

    I don’t know but I like to know from the VP close family side that what initiative they did to release these old people and bring them to Canada or Europe with their children. I do not think that they had any problem in getting political asylum under UN convention if they applied through the right channel. I like to know some credible news from the VP family sources regarding the initiative and process they made so far. I’m glad that Mrs.Vellupillai has been released and, hope the same with Mrs Valipuram. I wish them for their re-union with their children in the civilized world. We should leave Mr.Veluppilai’s athma rest in peace.

  100. DBS, you have never done it before but you refer to thiruma, using “zh” as “thirumavazhavan”. This “zh” use for “l” became notorious for being used by hard core eelamists in their publications. I would be very appreciative if you could revert to your old style of writing in the good old queens english!

  101. sorry. VP’s mother in law name is Mrs Erampu but by
    mistake I mention in my previous comment as Mrs Valipuram. I’m very sorry for that mistake.

  102. #102. shankar,
    Good job.

    Wanted to list all the GOSL promises, agreements and assuranaces to Tamils in the past 60 years. But, you have beaten me with your comment

    Well, VP sibilings have made the right choice not to visit SL, otherwise their children would have become orphans. A fleet of white vans would have been awaiting for their arrival at the Air port.

  103. dear shankar,

    i am not confused and i never said budha was an atheist and the reason why he founded budhism was to serve as an antidote to ritualistic hinduism.i dont think budhism in pure form can be a mere replication of hinduism if that had been the case there would not have
    been a need for budhism to be found.

    sinhalese budhism is too ritualistic and there is still a controversy in bodh gaya about maha vishnu being worshipped in that temple so i am very shankar and not confused.anyway budha never preached tantrik form of religion which is being practised in srilanka remember mr feeding 64 twins as part of ritual.

  104. #101.

    Indo SL accord was created by our People to fool the world that they care for Tamils living in SL. It simply helped SL Govt to contain then powerful militant JVP in south as for the SL Govt (Currently SL has JVP in politics not with arms).

    VP was simply a combat leader and not a political leader. He had been politically savvy, he would have scored more brownie points from India Govt when Rajiv was hit with bayonet during the Guard of Honor, than fighting with our army.

    Then why India Govt signed the accord; simply to stop US having a base in SL. It is NewDelhi’s Geo politico interest that is harming the Tamils of SL than the SL Govt. A statesman like leader in TN should emerge and care for the Tamils of SL and stop New Delhi from harming them; there is vacuum today as it was for the past few decades(except Kamaraj and Annadurai).

    ….

    Your comments on the book fair is skewed and partial; read Gnani’s observation in kumudam published within last two weeks. Though the fair attracts large number of visitors it does not have grown to the extent of growth in literacy and education. Rather the growth in the sales of books in absolute numbers have grown but not grown proportionately. Please go through the number of graduates in 80s and today and compare.

    Remember SL is a Unitary State(like Pakistan) and so one should think that how Unitary State will treat its minorities from that perspective. A Free India (to the English speaking people like us in a Metro) is different; SL is different. Noted journalist Panneerselvam, in one of the recent interviews/article had quoted a conversation between Zia Ul Haq and Jayawardane that happened in 80s, … Zia tells Jayawardane that the SL Constitution empowers him enormously than anywhere in the world whereas he(Zia) being called a dictator!!

  105. What a magnanimous gesture of the President to request the remaining siblings of VP to attend to their beloved father’s last rights and guarantee full protection during the visit.

    There is no need to elaborate on the misery and suffering VP thrust upon all Srilankans.The President was ridiculed and threatened openly in VP’s annual speeches,There was open contract to assassinate the Pres and his brother.

    A person with lesser character would have used these to take revenge. This is abundantly evident among the opposition who are going around now to take revenge for petty personal reasons.

    I do hope the Vellupillai family will welcome the President’s gesture and visit to pay the last respects.As I understand Tamil people do care about their parents more than other ethnic groups in Srilanka.

    This will be a way to express their sympathies to the general Tamil community as well, who could not escape to foreign lands and endured the suffering all along.

  106. To DBSJ,

    Of course I am not a terrorist who has one agenda that is to destroy an entire nation to establish my beliefs, so my parents are safe. I would not do kill thousands and thousands of innocent, old, retired, loyal government servents like his father to establish what I believe. I would first think what would happen to my parents, my children and my spouse before I become a nasty, ruthless killer like Prabakaran.

    Again, what goes around comes around……

  107. I hope praba sisters will come for funeral

    I will kiss theur feet and ask pardon for threating there parents badly by this govt

  108. Dhirudharashtra was not punished for the act of Duriyodana.

    Ugrasena was not punished for the act of Kamsa.

    Prahlada was not punished for the act of Mahabali.

    GOSL made a grave mistake by confining Mr. Velupillai for the act of his son. I agree that he should have been given due respect for serving the Sri Lankan governement for almost 40 years loyally. May his soul rest in peace.

    Another fine write-up from DBSJ.

  109. #116-Mahesh

    How is it that the Brahm (God) created this world and keeps it in misery. If all powerful he keeps it so he is not God and if not powerful he is not God’
    ———————————————————————————

    That is why Hindu’s believe in Karma and rebirth. It is not that god is not powerful enough to reduce or get rid of our miseries, but he deliberately puts us into this world to suffer for our sins and pay off our debts. Even the Bhuddha said that life is suffering and you are born to suffer. In fact we must be grateful to god that in his magnanimity he gives us moments of happiness however fleeting it may be.

  110. #127 To Chamipka

    If your logic “What Goes around comes around is true”…

    many innocent have Tamils lost their children and parents due to Sinhalese government action. Many innocents (as claimed by you) such as you may face the same fate sooner or later at the hands of Tamils..

    iam not instigating anything.. What goes around comes around..:-)

  111. Hi DBS,

    I have read your article with some interest and trying to construct a different scenario in my mind of how prabahakaran (LTTE) would have acted, if parents of a Srilankan president were found in the north (LTTE held area during their ruling time).

    1). Would they have released them immediately after getting to know their identity?

    2). Would they have treated them well and kept them in protective custody? Or

    3).Would they have used them as a political tool to help their cause?

    I know this is a hyphothetical question to answer but, can you construct the scenario in your mind and let know the would have been result? This would help everyone to have a balance understanding of your article.

    Thanks,
    Jude Irugalbandara

    Why dont you construct a hypothetical answer to your hypothetical question?……………DBSJ

  112. Dear Mr Jeyaraj

    Thank you for this illuminating article

    I am your ardent admirer

    May the Gods protect you and strengthen your writing further

    All the best for the new year

    Thank you and wish you all the best for 2010…………..DBSJ

  113. #133 Jude

    By comparing a man who came to power with the gun, with an elected president you are unnecesarily elevating that man to the same level with your hypothetical questions. That is exactly what he was trying to do by running a parallel government due to the inferiority complex he was suffering from. Ultimately he got so engrossed in it he neglected the military aspect and paid the supreme penalty.

  114. it appeares that the very same man(Shivaji Lingam) whome VP wanted killed in 1986 has been handed over the custody of his fathers body to carry out the last rights.

  115. #137-Don

    That is because it will be difficult to find a man whom VP did not want to kill. Beggars can’t be choosers.

  116. First of all I think that some overzealous people in the Mahinda administration or army decided to keep these parents in some sort of house arrest, possibly, among other reasons, to prove the identity of the bodies of Prabhaharan, Mathivathani and children through DNA or otherwise, in case if that is required by other interested countries like India. We don’t know for sure whether this is been already done or not. It should be noted that the Rajiv murder trial is not legally closed yet.
    Another interesting news is that Prabhaharan’s sister and sympathetic brother in law, who lived in Denmark, were in India and this fact came to light only after Mr.Velupillai’s death. Why were they in India when Prabhaharan’s supporters all over the world are talking of finishing off the entire family of Sonia as well as Mahinda.
    Were they in India at the invitation of RAW or to reclaim the booty from Nedumaran & co? It is also interesting to note that the other children had authorized Sivajilingam a relative from VVT but an indirect supporter of Mahinda in the election, to collect the body and make the funeral arrangements.
    There is more to it than that meets the eye.
    Regarding Mr.Velupillai, inside the seemingly quiet and calm person there appears to be a streak of violence which had multiplied into his younger son’s genes, as seen in the following sentence;

    “..Then the usually mild-mannered Veluppillai had erupted and said “if this temple is thrown open then I will no longer be the esamaan”.

    Thereafter the TUF youths had launched a non-violent agitation on April 21st 1976 demanding unrestricted temple entry. A gang of VVT toughs set upon the non-violent campaigners and unleashed terrible violence. The agitation was called off.”

  117. I want to go to valveddythura and fall on the feet of Mrs. Velupilai and worship her and ask for pardon for our govt keeping her husband and she in army camp and causing death due to illness for mr.veluppilai

  118. Time to forget and forgive, president should relese these old ladies and must give them a decent house to live the the whole world and Tamil brothers and sisters can see that ther is hope in Sri Lanka.

  119. Dont you think Praba’s mother and mother in law are two good sources of information about the last days of the war viz a viz a future article by you?

  120. again another superb article. Tell me, how do you learn to write this? Anything you can share about your writing style?

  121. DBS,

    Very nice article. Thank you. Would you write an article about kittu and also prabhakaran ????? what they are as individuals….

  122. I want to see the people responsible for treating vellupilai couple this way to suffer. That is karma . let them cry out saying “James I am sorry, Come and Save me and my Family” then I will come and save them.

    James, I think you are under stress.Relax and take it easy man……………….DBSJ

  123. DBSJ – “Kisu Kisu **

    Gota’s wife had left , sorry Fled SL with Lots of Money to an Asian Country . Have you got details of all the MP’s spouses , children who have FLED the country

  124. 131. shankar

    That is why Hindu’s believe in Karma and rebirth
    ———————————

    Even Budhists believe in rebirth. Example is Jataka tales. Furthermore these words regarding the God’s was told by Budha.

    The actual wording should be

    How is it that the (Brahm) God created this world and keeps it miserable. If all powerful he keeps it so he is not GOOD. If not powerful he is not GOD.

  125. I still think we laud and magnify the old mans name too much.

    The fact still remains that he had a son who became a monster and the father never ever reported on his son.

    The claim being is that his parental love clouded his vision of the mayhem being wrought by his son. This I find hard to believe unless and of course he sided with his son.

  126. 124. kc | January 10th, 2010 at 11:27 am
    “A horrible son, a cruel state and a holy father..”
    What about the people who the Sinhala supremacist, thugs , army and others caused the missery before the birth of the son to the holy father. what transformed the holy father’s son?

  127. 139. Puma , what are you trying to tell ?, or are you confused . You sound like a good candidate for the presidental election. If your are confused please speak to the confused confusious. You may get enlightened.

  128. 151 Dear PalmyrahNut

    Thanks and yes iIam confused, like many others. You should read the comments of Shankar & Maran not CC.

    We are not sure who is in which side and why. It is already rumoured that the Batti Mayoress switched sides for 10 million, MP nomination and cell franchise. We know how many millions were transferred to enforce the boycott last time. So we shall wait until 26th January for the enlightenment!.
    If you are referring to the temple incident, what I meant was that the attack on the peaceful agitators would not have happened without the knowledge or blessings of the ‘temple esaman’.(may be his son got his first training there).

  129. # 139 Puma

    “Another interesting news is that Prabhaharan’s sister and sympathetic brother in law, who lived in Denmark, were in India and this fact came to light only after Mr.Velupillai’s death. Why were they in India when Prabhaharan’s supporters all over the world are talking of finishing off the entire family of Sonia as well as Mahinda.
    Were they in India at the invitation of RAW or to reclaim the booty from Nedumaran & co? ”

    Who the hell are you to question why VP’s relatives are in India. Are you a policeman of South East Asia ?

    If they are in India, it is because Indian Govt. has allowed them to enter and stay in India. Who the Indian Govt. allows or disallows entry is entirely at the discretion of the Indian Govt. It is none of your business to question why they are in India.

    They can be in India or any part of the world. They have already spurned the offer GOSL made to them to visit SL to attend the funeral.

    Reportedly your leaders are avoiding travel outside SL for fear of being arrested for war crimes.

    Law abiding people travel freely without fear according to their choice.

    Sounds like you are baying for the blood of VP’s surviving relatives too. Obviously you are a blood thirsty lunatic.

    By the way why the hell are your leaders going to pray in South Indian temples while there are prominent and famous temples all over Northern India ? Stooping to conquer !

    The Indian taxpayer money goes down the drain providing security during the south Indian temple gimmicks of your leaders.

  130. 150. panamkottai | January 11th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    “A horrible son…..” because he overstepped the legitimate scope of armed resistance and polluted our freedom struggle and went on to bring deaths, destruction and misery to our people. By the number of guns he possessed he dictated and imposed dictatorship; those who dissented who brutally massacred. He squandered two great opportunities that came with Indo-Lanka accord and Norwegian mediated peace process.

    This holy father did not deserve this son…

  131. I am concerned that my good friend Thenuwara is going crazy. Can someone kindly sponsor him for treatment abroad. Angoda is house full and anyway they just chuck the people there and thats that as far as society is concerned. I hope we don’t become like some societies where when a person is lying on the ground we just step over them and rush off on our ‘important’ business.

  132. TCK#43 I totally agree with you including the voting part . The saddest thing is all this big show is entirely based on an assumption.So far no one has conclusively established that velupillais had not requested for protective custody. They may well have felt unsafe around all those people ,considering the the fact that they were in a camp with lots of people who lost their sons,daughters, brothers and also had to suffer under the ltte

  133. TCK/NAK

    The govt is yet to announce officially that Mr & Mrs.Velippillai requested that they be placed under protective custody at the Panagoda army cantonment. The onus is on the government to establish that they were being housed inside an army camp at their own request

    It is highly improbable that any Tamil civilian would want to be housed within a Sinhala army cantonment

    For argument’s sake even if we accept that they requested protection was it correct for govt to detain them incommunicado in an army cantonment?

    If they were being kept in the army camp at their own request why was access denied to them?

    Why were even the children not notifies despite requests?

    The govt kept them as virtual prisoners against their own will

    No amount of bluffing by TCK and NAK can obscure this

  134. 158. Sukumar
    My Dear Sukumar, you need to read the comments more carefully before responding.

    I have not said anything about the old couple requesting protection. Infact, what said is that if it was upto me, I would house them in an apartment with 24/7 security. (which will serve the best interests of all including the couple and all other peaceloving Sri Lankans)

    I feel this was a blunder by the govt. This is my ‘feeling’. That is all it is. This is not the first and it will not be the last. But certainly, it is not the biggest.

    Having said that, I am starting to find this situation getting blown out of proportion. There are lots of senior citzens in the country who are going through numerous untold hardships (Some of whome might even have more noble children than a terrorist). One could easily hold the govt responsible for the plight of all these people too. So while being sympethatic to this scenario, it is important not to loose perspective.

    We all recognise that just being parents of a terrorist is NOT a reason for getting peanalised in this manner. At the same time, it also should not a be reason for giving disproprtionate amounts of sympathy or attention.

    I feel peolpe are using this scenario and the sad death of V senior to raise anti government or even anti Sri Lankan sentiments to serve their own vested interetsts and not because they are genuinely concerned about their wellbeing.

    ——–

    Sukumar, you are also showing your racist tendencies here. You call the Sri Lankan Army ‘Sinhala Army’ as you very well know this is not correct. Especially when we are trying to leave out the racial labelling from all things national.

    You are also forgetting while we can analise and speculate about the situation, there can be a so many things that we do not know about it. the fact is that while we can speculate to any extent, until the two old ladies hold a press conference and says ‘we were held against our will and tortured’ it is just speculation. Even after such a statement, still it does not make it true.

    One other thing that is lost in this whole situation is that fact that VP parents came back to be with his son in his terrorist containment. One can also question this. If V senior was so against VP’s actions, why not kick him out of the family and never ever talk to him again? I mean, we are not talking about a son who is a petty criminal. This is a blood thristy terrorist. Possibly world’s number 1 in that category. Further, it is not that V senior has no other place to go. There are other childrend that will take care of them. (As they are offering now)

    So, the fact that they came to VP when he called them, is an indirect action of ‘approving’ VP’s actions. Otherwise, V senior could have told ‘you are a blood thristy terrorist. I am ashamed to call you my son.’ and not even talk to him ever again. He could also have made a public apology from India on behalf of his family to all the innocent people that died because of his son’s actions. That my dear Sukumar would have been a real noble action from him. All Sri Lankans would have aplauded him and admired him for his moral standpoint. (Like 140. James Thenuwera is doing to his wife now)

    But none of this happened.

    So my dear Sukumar, I am waiting for you to show where I have ‘bluffed’ in my earlier post. Do please enlighten me.

  135. DBS it is high time you write a book on the LTTE struggle. The future generations of Sri Lanka need to be able to read your thoughts. Even if this project is not possible right away, please consider starting the process.

    Many Thanks

  136. James Tea Town.

    I thought you were going to have a break, but again I knew that you will be back soon.

    I know you are one of those bleeding hearts feeling forry for
    VP.s old man, but what about all those old villagers (same age as Velupillai) massacred while they were sleeping, and later when they were pleading for their lives.

  137. They were protected from possible civil attacks that could hv come up out of rage for what people may had lost due to VP.

    MR called them traitors or terrorists for using them to score electorally. It wasn’t a direct thing, but a normal manipulation of SF’s words which is not as unfair as what tens of thousands of people had to undergo because of their “thambi” son.

  138. Dear sukumar,
    There is nothing to bluff about, if you read what DBSJ has written carefully you will see under protective custody Jeyaraj says that the gov refused access to them saying they are under protective custody so some one will have to establish wether it was on their request or otherwise thats all. On ther hand I wish one his children came to sri lanka to visit them and see if govt will allow. Daya masters daughter came from austrailia and visited her father at CID.

  139. Sorry DBSJ, i really did not mean to hurt you. probably i got overboard with my sentence “who is telling the truth you or vaiko”. I really respect you for what you are and the way you put your reports. You are one of the few journalists i find really balanced and write without any bias. Your service is really needed for the whole world tamils. I would really believe you any day and time than Vaiko. But with the convictions he says about Mr. Vellupillai’s admiration for his son in the interview i could not help asking you that question. But anyways i apologize sincerely if my question had hurt you.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    No problem

    I get very irritated when I see the continuous bullshit put out by people like Vaiko. They are yet to acknowledge Prabhakaran and deaths of other senior LTTE leaders but are busy creating myths around his father

    About naming his grandson I have read Vaikos interviews those days where he boasted proudly that he (Vaiko) had named his grandson after the LTTE leader. Now he says Velupillai named him. But what I THINK happened was that Vaiko would have asked Veluppillai to ceremonially (Sambirathaayapoorvamaaga) name his grandson as Prabhakaran. I do not think Veluppillai would have unilaterally named him. I doubt very much that a gentleman like him would have imposed his sons (Controversial figure in India and a wanted man)on another persons son or grandson. He would only have done so at the request of the father or grandfather

    I also recall an incident where Mr. Veluppillai and poet Kasi Anandan were guests at a wedding (daughter?)at Vaikos place. BJP was in power. ADvani came and the Police forced Veluppillai& KA to go to another room . They were “locked” up there for more than three hours till Advani left for “Security” reasons. Not a peep of protest by this charlatan for the way his guests were treated. Later he “fumed” about it to Veluppillai instead of raising it with Advani then and there. Velupillai described Vaiko’s antics to some others as “Karuppu thundu potta komali”

    Now he is inviting Mrs. Veluppillai openly to come and stay with him in India. By doing so he is destroying any chance of Indian govt allowing her to come to India and stay with her daughter.

    This Vaiko has damaged the SL Tamils and LTTE so much but the Tamil jokers treat him still as some great Tamil hero

    The relationship between Velupillai and Prabhakaran is known to most Jaffna Tamils of Thamby’s generation (I was born in 1954)I aqm also in touch with many residents of VVT now abroad. It is well-known how hefretted and worried about the son and periods of estrangement. I do not reveal my sources for obvious reasons

    When I was a kid and neighbours complained about my mischief my father would always defend me to them. Thereafter he would cane me. He would not let me down in front of outsiders but would reprimand me in private

    Veluppillai would not condemn Prabhakaran to outsiders including Indian journalists or politicians. I doubt whether he would have done so even with non -VVT people. But he was deeply distressed about the son in the early years

    As time went on Veluppillai would have mellowed. Like some Tamils l his feelings towards Praba may have been mixed. Some Tamils are proud of the defiance he showed towards the Sinhala diminated state and the fight the LTTE put up for decades. Velupillai too may have shared that opinion

    But he was always concerned about his son.Disappointment and anger did not mean he was against his son or an enemy.When he got locked up in Chennai for Pondy bazaar shoot out in 1982 Velupillai Acted promptly and retained Chandrahasan

    He was also helping some people from VVT to compile a biography of his son

    It is very possible that he would have changed his views about the son in later years. Otherwise he would not have gone to live with him. Mathivathany’s father was also opposed to the marriage but later reconciled

    These things happen

    Dont we all know about squabbles and disagreements within families?


  140. Would you dare to ask Vaiko whether he is telling the truth in the way you ask me?

    Sure i would ask him if he had a forum and a free comment section like you have.

    Looks like this comments section is an albatross around my neck……………..DBSJ

  141. Thanks DBS for posting a balanced article. I have a question. I read reports that Mrs.Erambu does not have any of her kids to take care of her in Srilanka. Is it true? Did Mathivathany have any siblings or was she the only child? I remember reading somewhere that she had relatives in Denmark

    Her siblings are all abroad but I think Mrs. Erambu’s sibling families are there……………DBSJ

  142. This is good to see that friends and foes of VP paid their last respect to his father at VVT and send him off to the rest. Sadly his children could not come even GOSL gave assurance for their safety but they rejected that offer . That was their personal and private decision. Karuna used to be very attach with Mr& Mrs Veluppilai and visit them frequently while he was with LTTE; but not attended the funeral . May be he does not want to create unwanted problem.

  143. “Looks like this comments section is an albatross around my neck…”…………..DBSJ Comment 165 .

    You are dead right mate.

    I don’t know why you bother to respond to every comment of these imbeciles.Look at the people who constantly have a go at each other.Very seldom I see any l worthwhile comments.

    On your part, you censure comments which directly and factually challenge your aticles,which is fair enough.You should do the same with most of these petty .irrelevant responses and it will do a lot of good for your self.

    I remember you mentioning here that you like to write about wild life.
    New York Times put Srilanka on top of the best 30 places to visit. Nilaweli beach is one of the high lights that is mentioned
    .
    If you can write a series of articles focusing on the hitherto out of bounds places in the North and the East. it will be very popular in the West as well as in Srilanka.

    Have a good day.

    Thank you for this advice.Much appreciated……………..DBSJ

  144. 168. Govirala

    Election related violence will bring put it back to the bottom. In a few days you wil see USA , UK & EU will send an advise to their citizens NOT to visit. Election Violence is a tradition like Kottu fight for NY celebrations

  145. DBSJ

    I don’t agree with Govirala that you should not respond where necessary. I have found that your responses complement the article very well and sort out knotty issues. I always carefully read your responses, because even if imbeciles as Govirala says are commenting, your responses are necessary to show them for what they are. And the responses have dry humour and also informative, so please don’t stop.And don’t compare yourself to that joker Vaiko. If you mention a blog to him he might think it is something to eat.

  146. Singala Politicians think and assume ( so as some contributors of Singala culture ) what they say , do and perform illegal//criminal activities are correct and rest of the world should accept it.

    DBSJ

    Can you please point out a SINGLE accustaion that came from UN or any international body that made a comment or sugestion that had ben acepted by SLG . EVERYTHING IS DENIAL. If MR comes or SF comes, these idiots are never going to learn or Accept their faults and do something beter for the country. Please Vote for MR , so the rest of the mass can suffer. In Tamil we say ” Ore Ariyile OOrina Mattaigal ” or In English ” you cannot straighten the dogs tail

  147. In keeping with the well known Sinhala adage “ the more interesting dances will
    come on stage towards the wee hours” D.B. S.J ( David Buell Sabapathy ) Jeyaraj,
    has written what is called a preliminary report about the ‘white flag incident in his website.

    DBSJ’s factual account will be acceptable to progressive Sinhala intelligentsia as DBSJ is an unbiased journalist and his report is truthful.

  148. It’s good to see that hate talk is reducing in these forums and more rational and compassionate voices are surfacing. We need to defeat this ideology of hate on which the present regime thrives with the support of a few lackeys like Malinda Senevirathne. I’m glad that except for a few retards a majority in this forum have the capacity to differentiate between the killer son and the father who may have not approved of the sons path. These are good signs for our future.

  149. 154. Nostradamus

    -They can be in India or any part of the world. –

    Yes they can go anywhere as refugees, green card holder or naturalised citizens but don’t defecate into the plate where you eat.

  150. #174-chocka

    That was not DBSJ’s response in #171-Bob. He will say DBSJ responds.

    I suggest you ask Bob the question.

  151. DBSJ 170 Shankar is correct.
    When you comment on certain blogs that shows that you are actually reading them and not publishing just for the sake of publishing. There is a personal touch in it.
    When you comment on my writes, negatively or positively, I feel that you are near me although I am in the other side of the globe. I wonder the others feel the same way.

    Thanks DBSJ I am addicted to this blog, and sometimes I get into trouble with my wife for spending so much time on this.

    She says ” DBSJ, DBSJ…… mona karadarayakkda mun danne neha”

    Thank you. I have the same problem with my wife for breaking rest&spending too much time on this blog……DBSJ

  152. 174-chocka

    You are absolutely corect S/B Ore Kuttayil oorina mattaikal

    Thanks Shankar It was my comment Not DBSJ’s comment. It was a question posted to DBSJ

  153. # 164

    Dear DBSJ,

    If VP is creation of SL Politics, Vaiko is a creation of TN Politics. I personally have a lot of regards for Vaiko, but I hate him for his claim on VP and some other issues regarding our near and dear ones in SriLanka(both Tamils & Sinhala). There are quite a number of issue I will talk on his side still there will be limitations.

    In April, NDTV interviewed India’s home minister P.Chidambaram quoting that Vaiko had roared in TN, that rivers of blood will flow in TN if someone harms VP. P.Chidambaram quietly acknowledged that Vaiko had crossed limits not just in this one incident but there are few more. He also said that this repeated roaring only weakens his position. That was a very professional reply from PC.

    I also feel other than few people like Vaiko, TN politicians are busy in latching onto power, making money and would not move their little finger in caring for wounds in SL.

    I trust your words and this web page. Please let us know when you come to India next time.

  154. Kapila # 177

    Hi
    I heard that some countries, courts granting the divorce based on the complain from the wife that “My hubby is snoring too much……….”. IF our wives go to court and complain that “ my hubby spending too much time with DBS block and got addicted ………” what will happen?

    I’m sure if judge is male he will get addict too

  155. With reference to any parent sibling relationship, the book mentioned below is of much relevance to your write-up on VP and his father and the apparently contradictory comments of readers. Trust you would have the wisdom to guide your readers to ever widening vistas.

    The book; “THEY F*** you up” Another Title may be HOW TO SURVIVE FAMILY LIFE. Authored by Oliver James who has dedicated to his parents who were both clinical psychologists like him. His previous work was “Britain on the couch” or it may as well have been America or Australia etc on the couch. He has taken one to four lines from the 3 verse 12 line poem (given below) of Philip Larkin to head all his chapters in the approx 370 page (hard cover) book which should now be available in paperback.

    This be the Verse

    They fuck you, your mum and dad.
    They may not men to, but they do.
    They fill you with the faults they had
    And add some extra just for you.

    But they were fucked up in their turn
    By fools in old-style hats and coats,
    Who half the time were soppy-stern
    And half at one another’s throats

    Man hands on misery to man.
    It deepens like a coastal shelf.
    Get out as early as you can,
    And don’t have any kids yourself.

    Philip Larkin

    Philip Larkin 1922-1985, English poet. His perfectionist, pessimistic verse includes The North Ship 1945, The Whitsun Weddings 1964 and High Windows 1974. He edited the The Oxford Book of the Twentieth Century Verse 1973. Born in Coventry, Larkin was educated at Oxford, and from 1955 was a librarian at Hull University. He also wrote two novels.

  156. #180-Ganeshan

    I also feel other than few people like Vaiko, TN politicians are busy in latching onto power, making money and would not move their little finger in caring for wounds in SL.
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    Can you tell me how many times Srilankan Tamil leaders have visited Karunanithii and Chidambaram who have the power and the means to do something for the Tamils. They have been always dancing with fringe elements like Vaiko because shrewd fellows like him agree with everything they say.It is like people who go to doctors and lawyers who agree with their own diagnosis. If they have a different opinion they become useless doctors and lawyers who don’t know their job. I know some women and even some men like that. Either the doctor or lawyer agrees with them or they become pariahs who nobody should visit. You wonder why they go to them in the first place for professional advice if they want them to just agree on the diagnosis that they already have made as layman.

    In today’s world if you don’t go to someone with your problems then it unreasonable to expect them to come after you asking what’s your problem, what’s your problem, my goal in life is to solve other people’s problems.

  157. DBSJ, you nailed it when you said:

    …..I only hope that Mahinda’s departed parents are not tarnished in similar fashion by others if their children are convicted for war crimes or corruption.

  158. 184. shankar and #180-Ganeshan

    You people say things as though only vaiko and thiruma are to be blamed. Karuna is the right person to advice. You people should read the article in thuglaq a few weeks back. In that he would have quoted the previous words of Karuna. If all you say about the TN politicians were true….

  159. இறந்த முதியவருக்கு எமது அஞ்சலிகள். அவரது ஆத்மா சாந்தியடைய வேண்டுவோம்

  160. #186, Mahesh,

    It’s not just MK but almost all TN politicians need a sane advice on the realities of SL problem. It’s not that they don’t know the right course of action. They do, but with the kind of gutter politics they practise in TN it’s almost impossible for them to acknowledge reality. JJ was close to reality on this till about a year ago but when the parliamentary elections approached last year she did a volte-face as she was desperate to get some MP seats. Anyway, as I have already stated before, Indian foreign policy cannot be easily influenced by any regional politician however powerful s/he may be. This is the reality. Also, unlike Pakistan, Bangladesh and China issues, SL issue is guided by the fact that the ruling disposition in SL *can* be favorable to Indian interests with the right amount of inducements thrown. This is not the case with other neighbors. So, the indian govt would never like to lose this advantage with SL. In the case of Bangladesh, even though there is a strong ethnic bond of Bengali sentiments, the islamic religious right wing players of B’desh would never prefer a cordial relationship with India and this will not vanish any time soon. SL people don’t have any religious or territorial grounds to harbor hatred against India and a favorable treatment to the rulers (in this case, the majority Sinhalese) would mean good foreign affairs relations on this front. This is the hard reality. So, please get used to this and the focus should always be to ensure equal rights to the SL tamils and not any home land, devolution etc. which the majority resent. You can’t go against the majority in a country and expect to have cordial relations with that country. This is foreign policy 101.

  161. Hi DBSJ

    You forgot to mention in your article that Mr. Velupillai receiveived so much attention because he was the father of Prabaharan. That is the fact that everybody must accept it.

  162. dear jey,
    180 ganesan and 184 shankar i differ with you both.i accept dbsjeys views about the incident in his sons marriage probably that would have taken place becoz it would have embarassed advani since shri.vellupillai was father of vp who was wanted for rajiv gandhis assasination case hence both were confined to a room lest a controversy will erupt.yes i am an admirer of vaiko that does not mean that i will not criticise vaiko i am an admirer becoz he is one leader who has been idealistic and steadfast in his support for srilankan tamils.may be it is another issue that his support did not make much difference but i believe vaiko and nedumarans relentless campaign only forced karunanithi to send his representatives to the idp camp and they were released sooner.karunanithi has never been sincere in his support to any tamils leave srilankan one his political life has been filled with compromises to the detriment of tamils.let it cauvery issue ,mullai periyar issue or any other issue he has never been firm in his support for tamil cause at present his primordial concern is to see that his son becomes chief minister and next year his party wins the election.so shankar dont ever dream that he will do anything for srilankan tamils.he went to new delhi to get good portfolios after the election did he go to new delhi once for srilankan issue he issued statements,sent sms to primie minister,sent emails to prime minister and telegrams to powers to be never did anything further so world tamils cant depend on dmk they are too busy with something else please understand it and i request sinhalese also to treat tamils well u dont need to be alarmed that there are 7 crore tamils across the strait nothing will happen if one remembers babar defeated ibrahim lodhi with just 15000 soldiers whereas his opponent had ten times more soldiers and mind it he was in power in delhi.

  163. DBSJ
    PONGAL GREETINGS !
    Unrelted to the Topic but has an issue
    1) Secy Lalith W’s comment on Indian Election win by Congress ,- SL was behind it -because of TN votes..??
    Secondly Gota is in S’pore for Heart Attack / Medical reasons

  164. #186, Mahesh,

    The politicians of the SL also require sane advice. Please include that also.

    Yes I accept that the foreign policy of India cannot be guided by any regional party.

    Yes today the India’s geo political interests will not be solved by the eelam. That was the reason for the Indo-Sri lanka accord.

    But tomorrow when the geo political interests change then India may change its attitude towards eelam.

    Just because you are majority doesn’t mean you can kill the minorities or treat them as second class citizens.

    You cannot throw crumbs to India and try to influence India.

    There was uproar in 1983. No govt could resist such an emotional outburst.

    How can your govt repeatedly abrogate the treaties? There are no answers for this.

    Just because you can throw some inducements India cannot and will not tolerate the second class treatment of the Tamils there. Keep this also in mind.

  165. 188. Kumar

    The politicians of the SL also require sane advice. Please include that also.

    Yes I accept that the foreign policy of India cannot be guided by any regional party.

    Yes today the India’s geo political interests will not be solved by the eelam. That was the reason for the Indo-Sri lanka accord.

    But tomorrow when the geo political interests change then India may change its attitude towards eelam.

    Just because you are majority doesn’t mean you can kill the minorities or treat them as second class citizens.

    You cannot throw crumbs to India and try to influence India.

    There was uproar in 1983. No govt could resist such an emotional outburst.

    How can your govt repeatedly abrogate the treaties? There are no answers for this.

    Just because you can throw some inducements India cannot and will not tolerate the second class treatment of the Tamils there. Keep this also in mind.

  166. #184

    I don’t think MK and PC are living MARS; they know the problems. They refuse to do anything even when our Tamil people are getting killed and denied of free movement within their country. Worse, they follow non-interference policy when the suffering tamil people are denied of decent burials.

    No Tamil from SL needs to come and list their problems to MK and PC. When your brother is mired in deep trouble do you expect him to come for formal representation of his problems. This is our culture, tradition and above all basic humanitarian quality.

    If they (TN and Indian Govt) had intervened immediately after the death of VP in May’09, they would have ensured the majority Tamils Civilians (who are not suspect) returned to their or their relative home within 45 to 60 days. They could have ensured triumphalist mindset doesn’t cause further damage.

    Still 1000s of those people are suffering and what have they done?

    MR invited MK and JJ during last to visit the SL Tamils. What is the response till today?

    # 188 Mr. Kumar.
    This discussion is focused on the behavior of the Individuals and the Indian State when the people are getting killed and we are not focusing about India’s foreign policy, Tamils fighting for homeland, etc.

    In the name of Foreign Policy too much damage has been done. What do say about MK Narayanan’s words? “Sarath Fonseka” is the World’s best Army Commander. Which Foreign Policy allowed him to Eulogize FS? He sits at the Top Admin Structure of the Country. How can he say that?

  167. Sorry, this is not relevant to this article but as we are not far away to the PE, better we can discuss some think about that and hope good article from DBS soon. As widely expected finally TNA decided to support to SF and started canvassing him based on the so called ten points agreement. I think this is again miscalculation by the TNA and by doing this they underestimated Indian roll in future peace process in SL and fallen into the western conspiracy . This is like given up the husband for the one night stand with King. Also they insulted the Tamils’ aspirations and their thirty year long struggle by supporting SF for after all “Ten points agreement” which is nothing other than very basic and whoever come to the power will do as there is no more threat from the terror. I don’t think so both MR or SF have any problem to bring back to the normalcy in NE and MR already started many steps towards that. But the question is who can find the permanent solution to the long lasting ethnic problem. Honest answer is nobody want to touch that subject and risk their political carrier but we should have bargain with them with help of India. In reality SF not agreed to the proposals demanded by TNA; but TNA agree with the SF’s philosophy as “Tamils shouldn’t demand anything undue”. I could not believe that TNA and Sampathan – who is the man has political background from SJV’s camp – come to this conclusion to support SF (He is the racist man having partnership with notorious racist party Wimal & Co) and asking Tamils to cast their vote to this man. I think people looking for the change. We should understand that we can’t simply get the “change” what we are looking for by changing the president . Thinks don’t change unless we put ourselves in a position to change thinks. Otherwise every four or six years we can keep changing the leaders but nothing going to happen. That is like fire fighting. During his presidency MR did distinguish the terrorism and same time he made many mistake as well. One of them was announcing the PE earlier than due. Because as we know that minority votes are going to be deciding factor on the PE; he needs Tamils votes desperately. Even though many Tamils suffered a lot from the hands LTTE but Government did not provide enough comfort to the Tamils and make them feel that we could be better off after math of LTTE. Before announcing the PE , Government should have brought normalcy with law and order in the NE. There are lot to be done to establish the normalcy in the NE. Among the NE Tamils at-least 30% lost their own son or daughter as LTTE fighter and cannot simply accept MR as their leaders. MR should have used his remaining two years time to win the mind and heart of NE Tamils and prove them that he can do. What he thought was , before his popularity in the South as a victor of the war fading away; he announced the PE, targeting votes from the South and underestimated NE Tamils votes. Other mistake he is doing is that he is approaching the NE Tamil communities through EPDP, Karuna & Pilayan….etc. They have no good reputation among the Tamil society and MR’s close association with these boys will bring negative impact to him. He can re build the NE via Gov’t officers of the civil administration and minimise the military presence and wipe out illegal armed groups from the NE. Otherwise people fell as virtual open prison.

    Tamil and Sinhala parties gang up together to topple MR regime and try to bring SF who has no political leadership potential. This PE going to be tuff challenge but people have to think twice before decide then vote. Today all parties travelling to Jaffna for canvassing and asking for vote. But MR is the man created the environment by winning the war and pave the way to all to go and talk about democracy anywhere. He has almost fulfil the promise he gave you last time and hope he will do the same in the future as well. In the NE he already started many development projects and slowly he will bring back the normalcy. Every -body can simply criticise others job but once they get that job only they know how difficult that job to perform . Even in the family , convince every member is very difficult. So imagine how difficult to run the country. There are few thinks went wrong out of his hand but we should consider over all out come. During the war time he face enormous pressure from internal and external sources. But he never gave up. He never pull back. People who were quite when LTTE holding innocent people; but today shouting as MR kill them all. Diaspora Tamil people who dreamed if many innocent people died ,UN come and apply R2P and rescue LTTE; today gang up with SF and try to punish MR. Even small baby knows that Tamils need India’s support to get their fundamental & reasonable aspirations . But by supporting to SF, TNA ignored the impotency of the India and committed big mistake. TNA is not the Tamils legitimate political party but used to be LTTE proxy. I’m sure IF JR in the power now he would kick them out to Tamil Nadu. MR’s lenient approaches let them do the business in SL. Now India invited them (or summon) to Delhi. May be ask them to sing a song without sound.

    I believe we should re-elect MR again and actively engage with his Government to re-build our country back. MR should make it clear his vision to the public and start the honest investigation on all unlawful activities committed by his Government so far. Tamil people should think carefully; in order to punish MR , bringing SF will create more misery to our people. How could we can vote the man who said that “this country belongs Sinhalese”. Now he is trying to twist the story and put the plate other way around. IF we elect SF, all parties who support him start to fight for the seats & power. That will create total mess. They will stop the developments projects which already started by MR and re- start new projects through their uncles & cousins. They will start new friendships with West and invite them to invest in SL. From here West will start peeping & spying India and other countries. India will get upset and re-open the training camp in Tamil Nadu. This cycle will continue and continue. Do we realy need that.? You decide.

  168. Hi Mr DBS,
    Did you read MR sinhala modaya nalin de silvas article about you?

    please release in your blogg let see the reaction?

    Why move street garbage to our home?…………………DBSJ

  169. While re reading the article I looked at the top photo and remembered something. It is considered a Bad Omen to put ones arm on an elder. It is said it would bring bad luck and shorten their lfe. Charles putting his arm on Mathi and Mathi putting her arm on Praba would certainly attract the attention of Lord Yama!
    So, if they are realy dead, it is not because of Mahinda or Sarath but due to their own actions!!

  170. # 188-Kumar

    focus should always be to ensure equal rights to the SL tamils and not any home land, devolution etc. which the majority resent. You can’t go against the majority in a country and expect to have cordial relations with that country. This is foreign policy 101.
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    Unlike Tamilnadu which was clamouring for a separate Dravidanadu and Tamilnadu and Jinnah steadfast in his objective of Pakistan, the Srilankan Tamil leaders were not asking for a seperate state at the time of independence. They were content with equal rights and never thought the Sinhalese would try to reverse this and call it a Sinhala Bhuddhist country instead of a secular one and openly discriminatory policies started one after another.. After the ball started rolling in this direction they asked for devolution in the form of Federalism but this resulted in violent attacks on the Tamils and Tamil leaders, resulting in them jettisoning Federalism and adopting the Vaddukodai resolution of seperate country of Eelam. Unlike Nehru the Sinhalese leaders behaved like a set of utter idiots who could not see beyond their nose. After the Vaddukodai resolution much water has flown under the bridge with a massive violence against Tamils in 1983 and during a proctracted 25 year war, and you are not a realist if you think we can go back to square one in 1947 and just say that equal rights will solve this problem. Equal rights would have been the ideal solution in 1947 not now. Personally i would be happy to live with equal rights and for this problem to go away, but i know it is too late for that cause i’am a realist. Equal rights and a secular state should be just a stepping stone towards devolution.

    You are right that Sinhalese resent homeland, devolution etc. What they don’t realise is they have missed the bus in this regard due to their idiot leaders who did not have foresight, so there is no point in resenting these things that could have been avoided in 1947.

    The homeland issue can be sorted out by making the whole country the homeland of everybody, but the devolution is another issue. The unit of devolution and the extent of devolution are prickly issues, but prickly issues should be tackled boldly, because ignoring problem doesn’t mean it goes away, but only becomes bigger and bigger.

    Ideally I would like the unit of unit of devolution to be 5 provinces, southern, western, northern, eastern and central.At the moment we have too many provinces, and the other 4 should be amalgamated with these five.

    For the extent of devolution i would ideally like to see the same devolution given to Indian states given to these 5 provinces.

    With this and good governance i am convinced that Srilanka can become the Switzerland of Asia. We, the Ceylonese are capable of becoming as good as the Swiss.

    As for your contention that India wants to have cordial relations with us, what you forget is everybody wants cordial relations with everybody else, but on their own terms. Let’s see how cordial the relationship is going to be when the first Chinese warships and Nuclear submarines dock into Hambantota port.

  171. #190-Jagan Sriram

    his political life has been filled with compromises to the detriment of tamils.let it cauvery issue
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    How can you blame Karunanithi for the Cauvery river waters allocation. The Govt of India set up a tribunal to look into the issue and in 2007 the tribunal gave its verdict allocating water to the four south indian states. Now all 4 states have put in appeals for reviews. These kind of things happen. You can’t deny precious water to your fellow human beings especially when the river runs through different states. That is why an independent umpire like the Federal government sets up a tribunal. Don’t forget that the last agreement on this river was signed in 1924 and is obviously out of date.

  172. Malayalam (most parts of it) came from ancient tamil.
    Eelam Tamils speak the more ‘ancient’ and authentic version of tamil…. than say ‘chennai’ tamil [enna machan, eppiddi keerea (how are you?). nashta thinniya (ate breakfast?), or rajini’s bada bejaara pochu (this is a big headache)] and so on….

    Use of malayalam sounding words are infact words that moved from ancient tamil.

    whether vp was tamil or malayalee …. not a problem. he was one of the people who wished to make sinhalese respect tamils. the ideology may have been good, but the methods were questionable.

  173. It took some time to read this well written article. There is a balance in analysing the events and
    the life of Mr Veluppillai, a nonviolent man who happened to be the father of a son who believed in violence to achieve a public cause. Violence failed the stand that Mr Veluppillai took is in front of all of us who have read DB Jeyaraj’s article. I consider Mr Veluppillai, a Mahatma after I read the article.

    In the name of human rights and women’s rights the
    mother and mother in law of the deceased LTTE leader should be released immediately and be allowed to join their kith and kin wherever they are.

    Hope the government of Sri Lanka wil start acting humanely towards not only a portion of the citizens
    of Sri Lanka but towards all without any bias of
    race, religion and language.

    Varatha Shanmuganathan
    Varatha Shan

  174. DBS,
    Thanks for unravelling background info and circumstances under which senior Velupillai and family had to face and putting rumours to rest. I wounder why this didn’t come to the fore very early in the piece.

    However it appears as a govt servant he did his level best to educate the family, and his method of repramanding the youngest in the family was common in that generation. That is why people of that era lived very peacefully,unfortunately there was a blacksheep in the family, which aren’t uncommon in some families.

    The uncle seemed to be the culprit who had an influence on the fugitive and failed to invigorate this high school dropout to learn some skill for his benefit other than killing innocents due to the influences from MGR films and lived in an illusionary world.

    This brings to light that hue and cry about discremination on education blah,blah.. was a political manupulation for votes by politicians and some idiots became porns in their game, while many members of Tamil community did well in all spears.
    Senior Velupillai appears to be belonged that caliber.One of my late uncles had many Tamil friends who were studying for civil service exams to get promotions then he was in Police headquarters Fort.Once those friends helped with accomodation to visit Jaffna and I too had a chance to fly Air Ceylon in late 1960s. Those days I was a minor, charged only Rs100 return. I can fainly remember there were cab drivers with polished Black Morris Minors wore pure white costume spoke good English and advised us not to go to Nagadipa that day as the sea was rough and members of my family were surprised to see this which was totally opposite to the situation in Colombo. I happened to see Mr Chevanagam in that visit who stayed in that guest house, he wore a white costume.
    This brinds to your point why Mrs. B didn’t arrest Mr Chelvanagam for the peaceful protest? Frankly that era the country wasn’t in an emergency situation and people were peaceful and why arrest apeaceful protester?

    Unlike those days present govt had to deal with a terrorist menace and terrorists were innovative therefore keeping the Velupillai parents in protetive custody was the best course of action for the short term.

    Hope the remaining member will be released soon. The potential visitors like human right loonies may be a concern to the govt. However it is unfair to put the blame on the govt for his old age health condition.

    It is unfortunate that he had suffered in silence as he was helpless to stop the illegal activities of younger son while he was alive.

    However no parents wish to bring monsters to the world. On that note wish him Moksha according to his belief system and bless his soul.

    Bible also say, if you raise arms against another nation your days will be numbered. None of ancient kings have gone to concour foreign lands, but defended our own.

    Wish Jaffna will boom to that of by gone era, this isn’t a dream.

    DBSJ RESPONDS:

    In that particular incident (1976)Mrs. Bandaranaike’s govt arrested and had trial at bar for Amirthalingam, Thurairatnam, VN Navaratnam&KP Ratnam but let SJV Chelvanayagam go

    It was the same Mrs. Bandaranaike who unleashed the army on non-Violent Satyagrahis and broke up a peaceful protest through brute force. Also all MP”s and prominent leaders who participated in Satyagraha were placed under house arrest in Panagoda (the same Panagoda army cantonment where Velupillais were held)

    So the practice of using force or detaining non – violent protestors had always been there

    State repression did not ocur only after Tamil political violence.It was already there

    Some argue that Tamils engaged in political violence only because their non – violent democratic protests were suppressed through state sanctioned violence

  175. Nice family photo and all, I wonder if it was a special occassion or just a relaxing afternoon at the Velupillais’.

    I don’t know what’s the most civilized way to treat the parents of, well, lets just say prabaharan, without too many adjectives. But under the circumstances I don’t think they got too bad a deal.

    Sentiments of poor dad who’s son was a bit naughty is lost on me.

    Peace.

  176. dear dbsjey,
    #203 shankar
    as you have said cauvery agreement between then mysore government headed by mysore maharaja and tamil nadu was a 50 year old agreement which came up for renewal in 1974 when our mk was cm he never bothered to do anything constructively more than that he was an alliance partner in central govt supporting indira gandhi he could have done a lot but never did becoz his gaddi was more important than cauvery water.if i am right cauvery tribunal award was given in 1991 and it has not been implemented so far despite the fact that supreme court order if one disobeys he runs the danger of contempt of court chief minister of that state is accountable.hence dont ever say that mk is not responsible.even in srilankan issue he undertook a fast which was very fast from morning to afternoon and it was called off in the afternoon after he was told that there was a ceasefire when it was not there.

  177. தங்கள் மீது காரசாரமான விமர்சனம் இருக்கிறபோதும் தமிழனால் எழுதி சாதிக்கமுடிகிறதே பெருமைகொள்கின்றேன்.

  178. # 203 Jagan Sriram

    Vizhithukondoor ellaam Pizhaithukondaar ( Those who woke up survived )

    ” Udal mannukku, Uyir Tamilukku ” ( Body to soil, Life to Tamil ) said MK when he put his head on the railway track in a protest to rename Dalmiapuram to Kallakudi.

    Will he put his head on the track for the SL Tamils now ? Is he willing to sacrifice CM post if necessary for the SL Tamils ?

    Vaiko and his group are part of he problem, not the solution. Their gutter politics is hurting, not helping.

    MK is dragging his feet for reasons best known to him. He has given up the ideals he stood for. If i am not wrong, he is giving precedence to selfish interests rather than to Tamil that propelled him to power in the first place.

    The fast he undertook was just a face saving measure.

    Therefore, Tamils have to wake up and take care of their lives now. Else, soil will.

    Tamils will have to be content with the Thiruvalluvar Statue in Bangalore that i believe was recently unveiled which represents the crumbs of bread that fell from MK breakfast table. There are some other monuments that can be attributed to the Dravidian champions.

    Tamil politicians in Tamilnadu should set aside their political differences and work towards a honorable and a viable solution for the SL Tamils. If the intention is genuine !

  179. My 70 uear old aunt, 75 year old uncle, 30 year old cousin ans her 7 year old son are being detained by the govt in the same fashion. How is detaining a 7 year old child justified.

  180. Shankar (#201) is on the ball. Lot of sense in his comments. Kari (#199) reminds me of my superstitious grandma. If Yaman is still in business, we would’t be seeing some of the morons who are walking like zombies amongst us, would we? Its time he called quite a few guys from here to the hindu version of haedes. They have overstayed their welcome here. Or is the deadline Jan 26?

    ISS

  181. dear jey,
    #211 nostra well said udal mannuku uyir thamizhuku antha kalam ellam maleyirivittathu nowadays mannirkuthan uyir i am referring to land grabbing.i think periyar was correct when he said that dk should not enter politics if u see the history of tamil nadu politics may be initially that euphoria was there fiery idealism which motivated young leaders of dmk after they came to power unfortunately since 1990s its been money that has been the real driver of politics.dmk these days has been enthusiastic about the statue building,memorials,announcement of thai pongal as tamil new year,building of assembly complex,conducting of world tamil congress not about the real plight of world tamils.probably leader wants to leave an imprint by doing all these things without knowing mgr never did these still he has left an indellible mark on every tamils psyche.society when it is tribalistic in its early stages it desires such monuments unfortunately tamil society after the emergence of dravidian movements has become tribalistic sorry to say we can talk about our hoarty past etc but the kind of fawning one sees even elected representatives indulging in it makes me to think whether we are a progressive society i dont think any other state in india is facing this sort of cult politics.on the another note i was really aghast when i read a little bit of ravikumar writing about what happened in the last days of confrontation between ltte and srilankan army in junior vikatan i could not read fully becoz i am a weak hearted person i think humanity has to be stead fast in bring to books those responsible how much ever powerful they may be when it can happen to slobo milosevic,radavan karadzic,chemical ali why not these guys they are not gods.tamils are duty bound to do this world wide tamilians should strive for it lest future tamil society will hold us responsible for our failure.it will also be a lesson to all countries world wide that they should respect accepted conventions and not kill innocent unarmed people.

  182. DBSJ

    I can guess what you are going to write on next. It will be about the so called secret agreement between the TNA and Fonseka. I personally think it is a mistake by Fonseka if he has done so. It has damaged his chances of becoming the president irretrievably. Mahinda will keep on harping about this till the election. No amount of tamil votes will compensate for lost sinhalese votes.

  183. 32 years ago on May 18, 1977, Prabhakaran was nailed by Inspector Shanmuganathan at Inuvil Junction.
    Short Bala(Former LTTE member now resides in Germany) shot Inspector Shanmuganathan and saved Prabhakaran. Again exactly 32 years later May 18, 2009 Prabhakaran was killed by Armed Forces.
    We lost so many thousands of innocent lives and so many billion worth assets in this 32 years.
    On March 25, 1981 TELO Sri Sabaratnam saved Prabhakaran from Banda’s bullet infront of Neerveli Bank, by pushing Prabhakaran while firing at Banda.
    Again exactly 28 years later Prabhakaran narrowly escaped aerial attack by Air Force near Thevipuram.

  184. RE #206 Laxman’s

    DBS has cleared some of his ignorant quotes.

    I just want to mention this to him. For the last few years Sri Lanka was headed by High School drop outs on both sides!!! What I am trying to say is MR would have been a drop out if not for his fathers influence, and if not for Srima relaxing the entry requirment for the law college for her faithful party members children, MR would not have gone through Law College!! Unfortunately Tamil children are not lucky !!!
    Our successive Heads of States also had parents, but they failed to prevent their progeny from becoming monsters!!!!Turning up into Human rights abusers, and war criminals. Some of them had 3 members of the same family who turned a blind eye to the jungle law or even patronised the goons!!!!!\

    “The potential visitors like human right loonies may be a concern to the govt”
    Why is the govt. terrified of the Human Rights people!!! There is something fishy in the statement!!!
    Velupillai’s daughter was requesting her parents to be sent to Canada. Why did the govt. refuse? Is The govt is terrified about the truth coming out!!

  185. The country is in tatters ecconomacily,boasting all kind of improvements,poverty corruptions is rife within all govt institutions.as the only sporting achievement Sri L is cricket
    Why is there not one tamil cricketer except.Murali,South Africa gives black players to merit, Sri lanka are biased there are many young tamil boys who do not get the opportinity

  186. #201,Shankar,

    You say,
    “For the extent of devolution i would ideally like to see the same devolution given to Indian states given to these 5 provinces.”
    Have you taken any oath to never learn from happenings around you? Indian style federal set up will never happen in SL. Period. SL demography is not conducive for that. If you looked into states based on linguistic ethnicity in any part of the world, you would realize that the majority of the ethnic population of a state lived in that region. In SL, only approximately 50% (or even less) lives in the North and East. My long discussions with Ulysses in the past were centered on this. For example, the population of TN is 6.5 crores. The tamil population outside the state in Bangalore,Mysore,Mandya, Hyderabad, Tirupati, Chithoor, Vizag, Delhi, Mumbai, Nagpur, Sholapur,Bhopal, Jabhalpur and Kolkatta would not total more than 50 lakhs, that is less than 10% of the total tamil population. This is the case with each major linguistic ethnic group in India. You wouldn’t see more than 10% Scots in England and Wales and vice versa. Throw in the hill country tamils in the equation, you have a even murkier picture. Even hypothetically, if a tamil state is formed tomorrow, would the majority tamils outside NE return to this state? You know the answer. So, the sinhalese would never accept the state formation on this simple score. Also, you say,
    “You are right that Sinhalese resent homeland, devolution etc. What they don’t realise is they have missed the bus in this regard due to their idiot leaders who did not have foresight, so there is no point in resenting these things that could have been avoided in 1947.”

    Please add to the above that the tamils missed the bus with regard to devolution when the nutcase prabhakaran sabotaged the Indo-SL accord. A semblance of statehood was possible at that time. The demo-graphical equation was at least much better then. The number of diasporials was less than half of what it is today. Today, that is why even India doesn’t press strongly for the implementation of devolution.

    You further state in your wisdom,
    “As for your contention that India wants to have cordial relations with us, what you forget is everybody wants cordial relations with everybody else, but on their own terms. Let’s see how cordial the relationship is going to be when the first Chinese warships and Nuclear submarines dock into Hambantota port.”

    I was all along under the impression that sea ports were meant for ships to dock. Please enlighten me what prevents the Chinese warships to dock in Colombo port today? Why only Hambantota port tomorrow? This is the problem with you guys. This is a major malady afflicting the SL tamil population. A considerable number of them have the opinion that only they can think and every one else in this world is either an idiot or a low life. Do you think that when the Chinese came forward to fund the port project in Hambantota Indians hadn’t realized what was in store in future? What prevented India to fund the project? Btw, do you know that during the 1971 Indo-Pak war, pakistan airforce planes were allowed refueling facility at Colombo airport as they had no contiguous air space to fly over to east pakistan? There was no China equation then. Colombo’s reasoning was they had an even handed relationship with India and Pakistan. Btw, for your information, Indian naval ships have been regularly docking into Indonesian ports in the last 5 years as part of anti-piracy operations in Malacca straits in collaboration with the US Centcom much to the chagrin of China. Now go eat that cake. And finally, don’t get carried away by pats from the likes of ISS.. If anyone qualifies to get the gold medal in eloquently spewing nonsense you can unhesitatingly name him.

  187. #219-Kumar

    If you looked into states based on linguistic ethnicity in any part of the world, you would realize that the majority of the ethnic population of a state lived in that region.
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    That is why my friend i have proposed 5 provinces for power to be devolved. So it is not done on linguistic or ethnic lines here. What do you think devolution is the 10 commandments or something. We can always modify and make it unique for our country. If you want to go around and do research everywhere be my guest. I prefer something called commonsense to do my thinking for me.
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    #219-Kumar

    Please add to the above that the tamils missed the bus with regard to devolution when the nutcase prabhakaran sabotaged the Indo-SL accord
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    i totally agree with you. I am mad with him because of that and killing innocent people and not allowing Tamils to vote.
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    #219-kumar

    I was all along under the impression that sea ports were meant for ships to dock. Please enlighten me what prevents the Chinese warships to dock in Colombo port today? Why only Hambantota port tomorrow
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    China is emerging as the next superpower. The USand Europeans know this and are worried. The plan was to rope in Japan, Australia and India and encircle and contain China so that it does not rampage in Asia one day. China is aware of this and is setting up ports in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka to counter this. With Chinese warships and submarines more or less permanently stationed in these countries India is encircled and neautralised. Srilanka will be a particular worry for India because it is in its very vulnerable backyard. It will not hesitate to make a quick invasion and take over the country, of course with the blessings of the Americans and Europeans if Srilanka becomes a potential threat. Haven’t you heard of preemptive strikes.

    Don’t give me all this examples of other countries allowing their ports to be used. Just see whether the Americans and Indians can frequently use Taiwanese ports for their warships and submarines. China will invade Taiwan even if it precipitates world war 3. When something is practically touching your bum, it is a different matter altogether.

    As for your contention that Srilankan tamils think that they are the ones who can think and others are idiots, I detect a touch of inferiority complex here. Don’t worry that is quite common like the common cold.

  188. Before going on & on about Hambantota,please be aware that GoSL approached GOI first if they were interested in development of that port.

    Only when GOI didnt show much interest did GoSL go to PRC.

  189. #222-Jey

    That is because India is sick and tired of being played against China.When it came to weapons also it just said you can buy from Pakistan or China if you want. What it has not told Srilanka yet is , this is the Indian Ocean.

  190. I am very upset regaring the treatment by Sri lankan government. Mr Veluppili must be respected as his age and father of tamil leader. should not be treated in army custoy.
    We all know whats is happing and i hope if our leader still a alive it wouldnt happen…..

    Thanks for letting us know the truth of srilankan goverment.

  191. #221,Shankar,

    I am truly exasperated. You guys never bother to learn. Anyway, let me make that extra effort to drive home points.
    You say,
    “That is why my friend i have proposed 5 provinces for power to be devolved. So it is not done on linguistic or ethnic lines here.”
    Wow! you simply floored me there. Srilanka is just half the size of TN in land area and has only one third of its population. The smaller north eastern states in India more or less match SL but unlike these states SL has two very distinct ethnic communities there. So, at the maximum you can have a federal set up with two distinct states but the ground realities for that do not exist in SL. The kind of federal provincial set up you are asking for is not necessary for a small country like SL. Now, don’t go about flaunting of smaller European states. There is no one size fits all solution here. India is not Europe and so is SL. When much larger states like TN can be governed as a single unit , the logic for further governmental bifurcation doesn’t make any sense. Whatever functional autonomy that’s required for running the administration can be had from very good district administration and that simply doesn’t require a federal set up. Also, SL already has provincial administrative set up with provincial CMs. Just strengthen the administrative set up. That’s all. At the time of its formation TN had only 14 districts. Today, TN has 32 districts. This is called strengthening of local governance (panchayat raj). This is what is required in SL too. You guys live in la la land.

    In your unbounded wisdom you further state,
    “China is emerging as the next superpower. The USand Europeans know this and are worried.”

    Really! I thought no body else was aware of this.

    And more from you,
    “The plan was to rope in Japan, Australia and India and encircle and contain China so that it does not rampage in Asia one day. China is aware of this and is setting up ports in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka to counter this.”

    I understand that you probably entered late into the discussions on DBS’ blog, but Shankar machi, we have already thrashed about this encirclement theory stuff about six months ago. You can look up the past discussions if you are interested. We have explored all angles there and some inevitability in these developments.
    Some more from you,
    “With Chinese warships and submarines more or less permanently stationed in these countries India is encircled and neautralised.”
    Did you understand my original question? Why not station these ships now in Colombo port? Why only in Hambantota port tomorrow? Just because it is funded by the Chinese?

    You need to read and think more on strategic stuff. The chinese actions are not based on black and white considerations. And china won’t precipitate any action on military front in any foreseeable future. Those days are over. There is much more at stake in the economic front.
    And this one,
    “As for your contention that Srilankan tamils think that they are the ones who can think and others are idiots, I detect a touch of inferiority complex here. Don’t worry that is quite common like the common cold.”
    You never got it, right? Man, sometimes I am compelled to think that you guys deserve the treatment you get from the sinhalese. If someone like me of the same ethnicity gets this feeling, I wonder what the thought process of the sinhalese would be. Even the saying, “adi uthavaRa mAthiri aNNan thambi uthava mAttAn” fails in your case even after the happenings of summer 2009. I rest my case.

  192. 222. Jey

    Before going on & on about Hambantota,please be aware that GoSL approached GOI first if they were interested in development of that port.

    Only when GOI didnt show much interest did GoSL go to PRC.
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    You are right. First the development of the Hambantota was given to India. Only when India didn’t take it up was it given to PRC.

    That doesn’t mean India will allow it to be used for military purposes.

    If it is used for military purposes, with the docking of the nuclear submarines and other military assets then India cannot remain a mute spectator.

  193. Comment # 221 Shanker.

    Good point. When VP was in his element, the Southern Government was more worried about losing the Colombo harbour and the International airport with the majority of Colombosiders being Tamils.

    The Hambantota harbour and the International airport were planned as an alternative ,long before Rajapaksa.Now that the VP threat is over people are putting all sorts of spin to drive a wedge between Srilanka and India.

    Any fool would know that the Indians as yet, do not have the expertise ,the experience or the resources to build Harbours and Airports of this magnitude.

    Europeans or Uncle Sam would not have a bar of it for first not having the Moolaito pay them and two the Diaspora would not let them.

    So get over it guys.

  194. Thanks DBSJ for another excellent article, giving us a glimpse of that VP’s father’s life and times. As most parents in the weak old age he had to forgive the son for massive killing machine he developed. He was not a saint, in his younger days, he enjoyed the power and kudos of belonging to the high caste and a hofficial of the who rose to high offices of the state. In the old age he was seduced by the respect VP earned by his followers and the reflected glory and respect that came to him as a result. I do not think any reason that Tamils were a downtrodden minority comes out in the article, despite some comments from the readers.

    One cannot ignore that the GOSL behaved with reasonable decorum and even handedness by looking after VP’s parents inside the Panagoda Camp. As another pointed out Wijeweera’s family were treated in much the same manner at about the same level of comfort and consideration.

    When you look at it, VP’s family received due care and consideration at a level far in excess of the rest of the IDPs who formed the body armor of the flagging LTTE units in the last months. Most of them had nowhere to go, their lands being strewn with LTTE’s own mines, roads, schools and hospitals being non existent by the ravages of war.

    GOSL must have reasoned that letting VP’s parents go to live in luxury in a Western country knowing well the scale of bank balance LTTE possess would not have been acceptable to a great majority of the electorate who lost their sons and daughters mothers and fathers in the most horrible fashion in many years of conflict. Governments have to be seen to act with a measure of compassion but at the same time authorities cannot let rich folks whose sons committed heinous crimes live in conspicuous luxury without facing public anger. Look at the anger Obama is facing for handling bankers with kid gloves.

    As a resident of a Western country you probably have read about the scenes that followed the defeat of the Nazis in novels by Sartre and many movies of the period. I have read about the rise of Christianity in the time of Emperor Constantine recounted in the novel by Gore Vidal and Christian priests once they rose to power demolished the mulithiesm, temples and the priests off the map. It is said that learning traditions of Greece and Rome, writings Science and philosophy of Archimides, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, etc survived thanks to librarians of Alexandria. Even the practice of feeding the Christians to Lions is said to have continued in the reverse after the rise of Christians for few more centuries. Role of the Catholic church in the holocaust is still debated.

    In such a world cannot expect Sri Lankans to behave whiter than white but I salute you for demanding that using all the powers at your command. You touch a chord in the higher realms in all your readers and I hope you will successd in bringing sanity.

    I hope the remaining members will find asylum in the country of their choice before long. Excellent work DBSJ

    THank You…………………..DBSJ

  195. #225-Kumar

    The kind of federal provincial set up you are asking for is not necessary for a small country like SL. Now, don’t go about flaunting of smaller European states.
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    Because we are a country of 65000 Sq.Km, in order to maximize our potential, we have to evenly develop the country and uplift the people equally and unite them. having 5 provinces north, south, east, west and central and devolving the maximum power possible to them will facilitate this process.
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    #225-kumar

    Did you understand my original question? Why not station these ships now in Colombo port? Why only in Hambantota port tomorrow? Just because it is funded by the Chinese?
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    Colombo is a congested port and besides the chinese have not built it for us. We don’t owe them anything.
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    #225-kumar

    And china won’t precipitate any action on military front in any foreseeable future. Those days are over.
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    As long as mankind is there wars will be there.
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    #225-kumar

    Man, sometimes I am compelled to think that you guys deserve the treatment you get from the sinhalese
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    When i gave a different opinion to yours you slandered the whole Srilankan tamils by stating that they think they are the only ones who can think and think others are idiots.
    I was pondering why you are behaving like this and came to the conclusion that maybe it is an inferiority complex and stated so.

    This resulted in you coming back with statements such as tamils deserve the treatment given by the sinhalese.

    Tamils have suffered a lot and a fellow Tamil to make such a statement brings me to the conclusion that you are a person who is not sincere in the wellbeing of tamils. There are many trojans and traitors in any ethnic group. It is like the common cold, so don’t worry.

  196. #225-Kumar

    as for flaunting smaller european states, just because we are geographically south asian, do you want us to flaunt the poverty of south asian states. If that hat fits you you can put it on and admire it the whole day.

  197. —————————————————————————————————
    #215
    Man, sometimes I am compelled to think that you guys deserve the treatment you get from the sinhalese.
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    What happened in Srilanka was Jallianwallabagh at mind numbing number of times over and again.

    On hearing such words from Kumar, General Dyer from his cemetry would wake up and say “you insane Indians. What I did was nothing compared to what happened in SL. Please rewrite your history books and don’t show me as a villain ”.

    Uddam Singh, Vanchinathan and Bhagat Singh would for sure in their graveyards feel sorry for fighting with British seeing such words from this generation.

    Long live people like Kumar.

    Get the facts straight. It is not the average Sinhalese that caused such a tragedy in Vanni.It is the people in Power. When Tigers did similar things they were outlawed and banned across the world and every move of them was under the scanner of the laws across the world. Now what laws one should impose on the perpetrators on the heinous acts that happened in Vanni.

  198. #225-kumar

    Man, sometimes I am compelled to think that you guys deserve the treatment you get from the sinhalese
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    Don’t you think these words hurt. They hurt to the core. I don’t know whether you are a Tamil or Sinhala or Vedda or anybody.

    No human being would talk like this at this hour of grave tragedy. I doubt whether you are a human being.

    This is adding insult to injury.

    Rubbing the wound with salt.

    Sondha sahodararagal thunbathil saathal kanndum, sindhai irangaradi, kiliye semmai marandaradi.

    –Bharathiyar.

  199. Mahinda’s latest slogan is for everybody to join him on a new journey. But he does not say where to. Playing the cards close to his chest. To utopia? or is he just going to set up the merry-go-round in reverse?

  200. # 188 Kumar

    Quote ” Anyway, as I have already stated before, Indian foreign policy cannot be easily influenced by any regional politician however powerful s/he may be. This is the reality. ” Unquote

    The link below will show how Indian foreign policy with regard to Sri Lanka is shaped by Tamilnadu politicians.

    http://www.colhariharan.org/2009/06/great-game-in-sri-lanka.html

    Relevant excerpt from the article is as follows :

    “China stepped in to supply the bulk of armaments Sri Lanka required for its operations against the LTTE. It also made financial aid available. Sri Lanka found the Chinese weapons to be attractively priced and readily available, particularly as India could not help because of stiff opposition from political parties in Tamil Nadu. ”

    How come as a Tamilian you are not aware of this influence is surprising.

  201. #215 Kumar’s comment

    Its a unnecessary comment from Kumar.

    However the Indian Tamils have a indifferent attitute towards Srilankan Tamil issue, due to the following reasons:

    1. People from Tamilnadu are generally against violence and rebellion which are extreme in nature. Srilankan Tamils believed in war and used arms and weapons at will.

    2. People in Tamilnadu are well aware that Srilankan people are citizens of Srilanka. In the past, Srilankan Tamils were against Indian Tamils settled in Srilanka getting Srilankan citizenship.

    3. Srilankan Tamils behaved like an oppurunitist. When Tigers were at it its peak, Srilankan Tamils ignored sensible suggestions from Tamilnadu and its leaders . when they were at receiving end, they wanted Tamils to help.

    4. LTTE actions tied the hands of Indian Tamils, by the assaination of Rajiv Gandhi. Even the strong Tamil supporters, could not do any thing when innocent people also were killed .

    5. Finally. Srilankan Tamils blame Indian Government and Tamils and Tamilnadu political leaders for all the sufferings. there were indecent name calling and accusations. Srilankan Tamils have failed to accept that they are responsible for their sufferings due to their own as well as srilankan Govt actions.

  202. DBS Jeyaraj, I deeply honor your sincerity and effort to bring the truth.

    No matter how many good things a man like VP’s father had done not only as a father but also as a govt servant, the media has portrayed all of LTTE as terrorists and fails to see that there’s a difference between member and organization.

    People should remember that Rajini Thiranagama was also in LTTE but I hardly ever see her as a terrorist.
    To me, the real terrorists are the elite who use propaganda to misuse the suffering of the poor pawns, who are the vulnerable common folk because of loss of loved ones, to gain profit.

    In the end, it’s all about business and sadly people don’t see that and fall for this bi-polar Tamil vs. Sinhala world.

    It’s really an elite Tamil vs. elite Sinhala world where the common folk of both sides are being used as cannon fodder!

    First step for any New Years Resolution is to accept you have a problem and then fix it.
    We must admit that caste system is a problem and fix it.

    We must admit that Tamils are underrepresented in the SLA and police and fix it.

    We must admit that Sinhala women have suffered tremendously in the Middle East and fix it.

    We must admit that corruption is rampant in the country and fix it.

    We must admit that Tamils and Sinhala are not the original people of Sri Lanka and that the only “original” people of Sri Lanka are the Vedda people.

    Furthermore, instead of pointing fingers at others we must point it at ourselves and fix ourselves.

    Always proud to know a man as yourself.
    You’re a living legend DBS Jeyaraj.
    One day, all of Sri Lanka should thank you for your effort to bring the truth and end this conflict once and for all.

    Vannakam

    Jaya Sri!

  203. #238-Joseph

    In the past, Srilankan Tamils were against Indian Tamils settled in Srilanka getting Srilankan citizenship
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    I am not aware of this. It was Sirimavo Bandaranayake who aggressively persued such a policy and repatriated indianTamils under the Sirima-Shastri pact. There is nothing that the Srilankan Tamils can do about that. If you have any evidence to substantiate your claim that Srilankan tamils were against them being granted citizenship, bring it forth.

    As for your contention that Indian tamils are apathetic towards the plight of their brethren in Tamilnadu, i don’t agree with that. They need to be mobilised through proper leadership. When MGR was there this happenned, but under jayalaitha and karunanithi it did not. That is because Srilankan Tamil leaders are poor at politics and building up relationships and spreading their bets. They have been holding the tails of fringe elements like Vaiko and nedumaran and running roound and round the mulberry bush, singing here we go gathering nuts in may, nuts in may , nuts in may

  204. # 238 sjoseph

    The comment Kumar made is obnoxious.

    Sri Lankan Tamils are peaceful people like Indian Tamils. The indignation that ensued as a result of racist policies of the majority in SL was the reason for the militancy.

    Sl Tamils portrayed as being against Indian Tamils settled in SL acquiring SL citizenship is a bolt from the blue. Have not heard of such a thing despite knowing closely scores of returnees from SL You may be referring to isolated cases, but then such exceptions cannot be a basis for a sweeping generalization.

    The assassination of Rajiv did disadvantage the Indian Tamil position. As the leadership of the LTTE is no more Indian Tamils are unshackled and therefore are now free to support SL Tamils without any inhibition.

    Indian govt. should exert diplomatic pressure to find a political solution. Or open training camps like before ! Playing geopolitical games to promote selfish interests at the expense of Tamils would naturally attract blame and criticism.

    Finally, it was SL Tamils who paid dearly in terms of lives, property , dignity and what not. Those who lost know the pain of the loss, not the spectators.

    I find your moderation unacceptable.

  205. Ranil Wickremasinghe has called KP a traioir for being a prisoner in custody under Rajapaksa.

    KP was the brain which sustained the armed struggle for 30 years.He tried his levek best to rescue his beloved Leader until the last minute by trying hard to stitch up a deal with the influential Foreign Leaders.

    Due to persistent, hard work of the Srilankan and freindly Foreign sleuths, KP endedup in custody for no fault of his.

    Now the well known LTTE backer, who nearly signed off full autonomy to Prabkaran has the gall to say KP is a traitor.

    Did Ranil expect KP to swallow his Cyanide capsule? Or did Ranil wanted KP to hang in until Fonseka demolishes himself and hand over the Executive Power to Ranil so that Ranil can get his hands on the LTTE treasures.

    I am sure the Diaspora Tamils would not take this insult to KP lightly.Ranil is a low life who will stoop to any level to look after his own interests.

  206. #237,Nostradamus,

    What influence are you talking about? India as a democratic country has to do certain things in the open when certain issues are raised in the parliament. This is the case with all democratic countries. US is a great democracy. Does it stop the CIA from indulging in dirty games in many countries? They will never be discussed in public, that’s all. In the case of SL issue, since the issue of arms supplies was raised in parliament by members from TN, and since there was this angle that there was civilian collateral damage, India had to do something, as a country founded on the principle of non-violence and they chose to openly say that offensive or lethal arms would not be supplied. That had not stopped the Indian govt from sharing naval intelligence, providing target points through sat images, and actively assisting the SL embassies worldwide in stopping the arms procurement activities of ltte. Anyway, even if India had agreed to supply arms, still SL would have procured from China, simply due to the price advantage. Arms procurements are after all decided through quotations and despite the huge commissions, most countries normally settle for the lowest bidder. Any difficulty in understanding the above?

  207. #240 Shankar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._J._V._Chelvanayakam

    “Chelvanayakam broke with Ponnambalam in protest over the latter’s support for the denial of citizenship to the estate Tamils in 1949. He went on to found a new, more aggressive party, the Federal Party.”

    Some of the Srilankan Tamils and leaders like Ponnambalam openly Supported UNP to deny citizenship to Indian Tamils.

    Indian Tamils are still emotionally attached to Srilankan Tamils. they are indifferent due to many issues as stated in my comment.

    Another incident, though not similar is LTTE, joining hand with Srilankan Govt to dispose Indian Army. IPKF’s original intent was to keep peace, though it misfired. its ok tto decide IPKF is not required for Srilankan Tamils. Then, why LTTE continued to fight with Srilankan Army , instead of patching up. Who is the friend? who is the enemy? Srilankan Tamils must decide.

    At this juncture, it is wiser to join hands with Sinhalese than hoping to mobilise Indian Tamils for their support.

    Indian Tamils wish peace in Srilanka and people to live in harmony with other races, like how life is in Singapore, Malaysia for Tamils

  208. Man, sometimes I am compelled to think that you guys deserve the treatment you get from the sinhalese

    This is atypical mentality of a sigalese

    When they see a dong stranded on a street , they say ” paw anne” but when they see a Tamil. ” marappang para demella” – even that was stated in Parliment
    DBSJ – I am eagerly waiting for an article from you on clown Wimal W.Pleaseeeeeeee!!!

  209. #230, Shankar,
    “Because we are a country of 65000 Sq.Km, in order to maximize our potential, we have to evenly develop the country and uplift the people equally and unite them. having 5 provinces north, south, east, west and central and devolving the maximum power possible to them will facilitate this process.”

    Then what about a place that’s twice the size of SL but still just a state govt (that is TN) developing faster than SL?. You need good governance for development. Good governance can be effectively achieved in small countries without any federal set up. Federal set up is required when you have large areas/populations to govern or when people have strong identity issues . Don’t forget that a big govt apparatus is not conducive for efficient governance. SL had a case for a federal set up at the time of its independence but that has now vanished as I have said in my other posts. So, just aim for good governance. If everyone gets fair treatment with govt programs, proper justice and law & order, where is the need for separate legislatures in small countries unless the people want to maintain their distinct identities as in the case of European countries? In the case of SL, not just the tamils, even the poor village sinhalese folks are in equally bad conditions and good governance for everyone would do a world of good. You will alienate the poor villagers from the sinhalese side if you keep harping on federal set up and push them towards the hardliners.

    And you come up with this,
    “Colombo is a congested port and besides the chinese have not built it for us. We don’t owe them anything.”
    You don’t owe them anything in Hambantota either. Big, affluent countries help small,poor countries all the time. That doesn’t mean they have a master slave relationship. Do you know India’s external debt as on date is $243 billion? US and many affluent west european countries have lent India this amount over the years and that doesn’t mean India will owe them anything in their military matters. If India doesn’t default on its loan payments and not raise a middle finger then that’s fine. This holds true for every other country. You are still in british raj era.

    Here is your googly,
    “When i gave a different opinion to yours you slandered the whole Srilankan tamils by stating that they think they are the only ones who can think and think others are idiots.
    I was pondering why you are behaving like this and came to the conclusion that maybe it is an inferiority complex and stated so.”

    For your benefit I reproduce here what I said:
    “A considerable number of them have the opinion that only they can think and every one else in this world is either an idiot or a low life.”

    You need a refresher course in English if you keep saying that I slandered all SL tamils. The word considerable means big,substantial, not insignificant etc. There is a difference between *all* and many. I am not making this up. It is indeed true that a *sizable section* of the northern SL tamils hold the view that they are of a superior civilization and others are lesser mortals. They don’t even regard their eastern counterparts their equals. And they look down upon the Indian tamils and have no good opinion of TN tamils. Note that I have again used ‘sizable section’ and not all. When I first said this some months ago based on a pro tiger european tamil channel program, guys like Rajan and Ulysses were at my throat. I move with a lot of SL tamils and I have indeed come across people with this view. When the first time I encountered this I was a bit surprised and taken aback but later I realized and also got a confirmation from some Jaffna tamils that there are indeed many who take the saying “kal thOnRi maN thOnRAk kAlaththE vALodu mun thOnRiya mUththa kudi” very seriously and have a superiority complex. Shankar, you should understand that people having such views won’t be holding up a placard saying so. This is like many white americans holding the view that blacks are not fit for intellectually demanding tasks. But no one would say this openly. Look at what recently senate majority leader Harry Reid said. If that’s the case with him what do you say for the average Joe in the conservative bible belt of the mid-west and south? But every one will be politically correct in public. Racism does exist. In the same way, what I said about the superiority complex does exist. You can argue about the percentage but can’t deny that. There is no point blaming me.

    As for my comment on people deserving the treatment, much of today’s suffering of SL tamils was brought on them in equal measures by both ltte and govt. When one side is now vanquished from the scene, one would expect a toning down of rhetoric from the vanquished but that doesn’t seem to be happening even today. Frankly, I am irritated by this and hence my comment. You can ask, why not that extra step from the sinhalese? But throughout the world, there is something called “majority mentality” and there is no exception to this in the east and the western world. In the developed countries it is subtle but nevertheless there. In eastern countries it is a bit stark. So, to expect the sinhalese to be an exception to this is not fair. Let’s face it. The situation today of the tamils in SL is such that they have to grin and bear even if the other guy is pressing his foot on their toes. There is no other go. I am just being pragmatic here.

  210. #246 Kumar

    kal thOnRi maN thOnRAk kAlaththE vALodu mun thOnRiya mUththa kudi”
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    This phrase is used extensively in Tamil Nadu and all over the world where Tamils are living.

    Even if some of the Tamils are exhibiting this or any other complexes or negatives, this is not the time to tell that.

    They are going through untold suffering. Telling that now is like rubbing the wound with salt.

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    The situation today of the tamils in SL is such that they have to grin and bear even if the other guy is pressing his foot on their toes. There is no other go. I am just being pragmatic here.
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    Very well. Each man has his own tendency, nature. You have the tendency to tone down, to mellow down, to bear the insults heaped on you. Go ahead. Don’t ask others to follow you. Everybody will do what he or she wants to do.

    Be very practical and bear with the indignities.

    After the first World War the Allies signed the Treaty of Versailles. It was a one sided treaty and signed in a railway coach, if I remember it right.

    The Germans were treated as slaves. Their country was occupied, divided and mind numbing reparations was charged on the Germans.

    Because of the Treaty of Versailles the Hitler arose and the second war was fought.

    some people are very wise and they side with the victorious and sing their tune.

    Go ahead. Be wise. Live long and Live a well contended life.

    Those who are not as intelligent as yours, they too have every right to take their decisions in life.

  211. It seems that Mr. Velluppillai was a decent gentleman.

    Did he deserve to die the way he did? Honestly, we cannot pass judgment on that.

    Let me (try to) explain;

    Scenario #1

    What if Prabhakaran was never born? Possibly, Mr. Velluppillai would have had a completely different life and death, not to mention millions of other people.

    Whose fault is that Prabha was born? Isn’t the father responsible for that?
    So, is Mr. Velluppillai responsible for his own destiny? Well, he is not at fault, but is responsible for his actions that created and nurtured the life of Prabhakaran. Mr. Velluppillai is not at fault only because Prabhakaran is responsible for his own actions and the father cannot be judged by his son’s deeds.

    Scenario # 1

    What if Prabha won the war and named the leader (president, king, etc…) of the new country?
    Mr. Velluppillai will be the highly respected father of the premier who would have had a completely different life and death, not to mention millions of other people. Dose he deserves to have luxuries that was made possible by the sacrifices of many others? You see where I am going with this!

    Prabha’s actions have touched many lives in so many different ways including of his own father.

    Because of Prabhakaran’s actions, you have written this blog and I have read it and compelled to answer it.

    The whole Universe is inter-connected.
    May Mr. Velluppillai attain Nibbana and go beyond!

    Hopefully, someday we all will.

  212. #244-sjoseph

    Chelvanayakam broke with Ponnambalam in protest over the latter’s support for the denial of citizenship to the estate Tamils in 1949
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    This clearly shows that the Tamil people were against this behavior iof GG Ponnambalam. What can people do about the decisions made by their leaders other than to protest and get rid of the leadership. That is exactly what they did. Chelvanayagam formed a new party, the Federal party and won a thumping victory. Note what happenned to the three musketeers Bush, Blair and Howard.

    Furthermore don’t forget this was just 2 years after independence and the Tamils had to suffer from a leader thrust on them by the British. Chelvanayagam who was selected by the Tamils was a much loved figure while GG. Ponnambalam was reviled by the Tamils not only for his Indian Tamil policy but also for proposing 50:50 representation for Tamils and Sinhalese in parliament. Only an intellectual idiot like that would have thought the British will agree to such a mismatch in representation.
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    #244-sjoseph

    At this juncture, it is wiser to join hands with Sinhalese than hoping to mobilise Indian Tamils for their support
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    I agree with you, but what if the Sinhalese leaders don’t extend their hands in friendship? Both the Bandaranayake-Chelvanayagam pact and the Dudley -Chelvanayagam was abrogated because of the Bhuddhist monks agitation. Unlike in other countries there is a powerful clergy here to whom elected leaders prostrate themselves like their god or something.

    As for your contention that the Indian tamils are indifferent to the plight of the Srilankan tamils because of the Rajiv ghandhi assasination and war with the IPKF, I agree it was colossal blunders, but indian tamils know that we were under a dictator of unsound mind and will not hold it against us. They know about the number of tamils killed by Prabhaharan, who opposed his views. Even the brilliant military commander and no 2 Mahattaya was killed because it was suspected he was supporting India

  213. #246-kumar

    Then what about a place that’s twice the size of SL but still just a state govt (that is TN) developing faster than SL?.
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    please don’t talk to me about the south asian models because i told you before iam sick of the poverty. Tamilnadu may be developing faster than srilanka because we have had a crippling war and a disunited population. That does not mean Tamilnadu is a bed of roses.Asking the same questions over and over again and expecting a different answer is the definition of insanity.
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    #246-Kumar

    Federal set up is required when you have large areas/populations to govern or when people have strong identity issues .
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    Examples of countries that are Federal states and have areas/populations smaller than Srilanka are Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzogovina, Comoros, Federated States of Micronesia, United Arab Emirates.

    So you being a Tamil think that Tamils don’t have strong identity issues. So to keep you happy in future we will bring in a law in the indian Parliament that in India there is no longer any Tamils and if anyone calls himself a Tamil in future he will be imprisoned for 6 months.

    If you are a shallow water please don’t expect others to be so. Why don’t you ask the Srilankan Leaders to pass a law in parliement that in future there is no Tamils, Sinhalese, Muslims or any other ethnic groups in the country. Only Srilankans. And this law can be changed only with three fouths majority. All ethnic groups are erased forever in Srilanka. No more sinhalese or tamils in srilanka. the next generation will not know what they are, except that they are Srilankans.I for one will vote for that, but watch the uproar among the people both sinhalese and tamils. We can’t expect everyone else to be like us. Therein lies the problem. So we have to look for different solutions.

    Will come back to you on your other comments a bit later as iam a bit tired, touching nearly 100{according to my good friend RS Wicks}.

  214. // #241 Nostradamus said,
    Indian govt. should exert diplomatic pressure to find a political solution. Or open training camps like before ! Playing geopolitical games to promote selfish interests at the expense of Tamils would naturally attract blame and criticism.

    Finally, it was SL Tamils who paid dearly in terms of lives, property , dignity and what not. Those who lost know the pain of the loss, not the spectators//

    Exerting diplomatic pressure,setting up training camps,the Indian government did all that.Heck,it even flexed its military might.

    Remember it was India that stopped Operation Liberation on its tracks @ Vadamaradchi.Remember the airdrop did as a show of force.Without that,the show would have been all over in ’87 itself.

    The fact of the matter is “Never bite into the hands that feed you”.Lets say the GOI is “Once bitten twice shy”

    The perpetrators who bit into the hands that fed are long gone.But the people who patronised them(Remember the phrase Makkale puligal;Puligale makkal) are the ones suffering now.

  215. Dear DBSJ,
    Comment 248 is mine.Only after submitting it did I realise,I had misspelt my name.Can you please correct it

    Done……………….DBSJ

  216. 248. Dhammika

    A Father does all he could to bring up his children. He gives best of all he could in food, clothing, shelter and education.

    When the son becomes adult and independent the son has the duty to give back his father the best of all he has. That is Dharma.

    So it would not be unfair for Velupillai to have lived with his son even if his son had become the chief of the country.

    But putting the father in custody for the actions of his son is wrong. I don’t think it will be in the statute book of any country.

    I agree with you when you said ‘The whole Universe is inter-connected’.

    Therefore it is more pertinent to treat even your enemy with dignity. Because the whole Universe is interconnected.

  217. #251,Jey,

    “The fact of the matter is “Never bite into the hands that feed you”.Lets say the GOI is “Once bitten twice shy”
    The perpetrators who bit into the hands that fed are long gone.But the people who patronised them(Remember the phrase Makkale puligal;Puligale makkal) are the ones suffering now.”

    Very well put, Jey. Sadly, it still has not dawned on a lot of people yet. You can only sympathize to a certain extent but if people refuse to learn even after an excruciatingly painful experience, then they should be left to fend for themselves. Don’t blame others for your plight.

  218. #250,Shankar,

    I thought you could do better than this.
    “Examples of countries that are Federal states and have areas/populations smaller than Srilanka are Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzogovina, Comoros, Federated States of Micronesia, United Arab Emirates.”

    That’s all you could come up with? SL’s ethnic conditions are not that of countries you have listed and plenty of others like them. I have been pointing this out several times and still you keep harping on this. Either you don’t understand the ground complexities or you argue for the sake of arguing. Btw, I am sick of the poverty in the Indian subcontinent too but at the same time I understand that there is no French revolution style change for this there. This is to do with the nature of most people out there. You can’t go against this nature. If you can’t get this reality you will remain a paper tiger. Enough said.

  219. #247,Mahesh,
    You say,
    “After the first World War the Allies signed the Treaty of Versailles. It was a one sided treaty and signed in a railway coach, if I remember it right.

    The Germans were treated as slaves. Their country was occupied, divided and mind numbing reparations was charged on the Germans.”

    So, are you suggesting that tamils should come out like nazis? Is there any limit to the skewness of your thinking? You guys live in Utopian land. You should show this skewness in getting into the parliament and convincing one party or the other to change laws. Please leave the poor souls in the street to live in peace.
    “iruppavarkaLaiyAvathu NimmathiyAga vAzha vidungkaL. ippati ethaiYAvathu solli uLLathaRkum mOsam seiyya vENtAm”

  220. #246-Kumar

    You don’t owe them anything in Hambantota either. Big, affluent countries help small,poor countries all the time

    Do you know India’s external debt as on date is $243 billion? US and many affluent west european countries have lent India this amount over the years and that doesn’t mean India will owe them anything in their military matters.
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    First of all China is not an affluent country. Its per capita income is less than one fifth of the developed world. Srilanka’s per capita income is about 70 percent of China’s. So it is a poor country building a harbour for another poor country. There is nothing called a free lunch in this world, even if it is a rich guy giving it, let alone a poor guy. Hambantota port is a billion dollar port.

    65 per cent of india’s fuel comes through the shipping lanes just over the horizon of Hambantota. China is building ports in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka and these are known as its string of pearls.Here are some comments

    .”Each pearl in the string is a link in a chain of the Chinese maritime presence,” India’s navy chief, Adm. Sureesh Mehta, said in a speech in January, expressing concern that naval forces operating out of ports established by the Chinese could “take control over the world energy jugular

    “It is a pincer movement,” said Rahul Bedi, a South Asia analyst with London-based Jane’s Defence Weekly

    B. Raman, a hawkish, retired Indian intelligence official, expressed the fears of some Indians over the Chinese-built ports, saying he believes they’ll be used as naval bases to control the area.

    So you Mr.Kumar seem to know more about the Hambantota port than these guys.

    Now coming to the $243 billion foreign debt of India that you mention and boast about , do you known the UK’s foreign debt is $9 trillion and Germany and France 5 trillion, Nertherlands and Ireland 2.5 trillion,even Luxenbourg has 2 trillion.

    So naturally since India has not borrowed much it does not owe anything in military matters as you rightly point, but not for the reasons you mention.

    Srilankas foreign debt is $17 billion. However i suggest you concentrate on the comments made by knowledgable people i mentioned above, than digress into these foreign debt areas, and trying to display that you are a fountain of knowledge. Just become one of us and thrash out the issues in a down to earth manner without trying to impress others that you are an encyclopedia of knowlege.

  221. #246-Kumar

    This is a major malady afflicting the SL tamil population. A considerable number of them have the opinion that only they can think and every one else in this world is either an idiot or a low life

    You need a refresher course in English if you keep saying that I slandered all SL tamils.It is indeed true that a *sizable section* of the northern SL tamils hold the view that they are of a superior civilization and others are lesser mortals.

    Man, sometimes I am compelled to think that you guys deserve the treatment you get from the sinhalese

    As for my comment on people deserving the treatment, much of today’s suffering of SL tamils was brought on them in equal measures by both ltte and govt. When one side is now vanquished from the scene, one would expect a toning down of rhetoric from the vanquished but that doesn’t seem to be happening even today. Frankly, I am irritated by this and hence my comment
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    I was not a part of the LTTE , so why do you expect me to tone down my rhetoric?

    As for your explanation of comments made by you it reminds me of lipstick on a pig.

  222. 256. Kumar

    I am not suggesting the Tamils to do or not to do anything. I am only telling the history.

    The victors should also behave magnanimously. That didn’t happen in the 1914-1918 war.

    That led to the second world war.

    I was only pointing out the history.

    You asked me to go to the parliament and lobby for the changes.

    You can also do the same. Go to the parliament and lobby for whatever you believe in.

    Ungalai madhiri thelivaana makkal irukkum podhu yaar enna seithu vida mudiyum.

  223. #257,Shankar,
    In your anger to spite me you put several same side goals.
    You say in the first para,
    “There is nothing called a free lunch in this world, even if it is a rich guy giving it, let alone a poor guy.”
    and then comes this,
    “So naturally since India has not borrowed much it does not owe anything in military matters as you rightly point, but not for the reasons you mention.”

    Now you have to tell us what is ‘much’ and what is ‘more’. If $243 billion is not much, what about $17 billion? Too much perhaps?

    As for the string of pearls, didn’t I tell you before that it had been discussed thoroughly? You should look up past discussions to counter these points and not quote something which most of us have already read. Have you read any analysis explaining the string of pearls from the Chinese point of view as against its analysis from others? Also, there are many full time defense analysts in this world but not all of what they say and not all of them are ever right. And B.Raman, who was additional secretary in the cabinet secretariat (a euphemism for raw, as raw is administratively part of the cabinet secretariat), has been shown to be inaccurate many times in the past. I will give you one resent inaccurate prediction of Raman. In March 2009, he said, “LTTE is likely to launch a sea borne assault cum rescue mission and this might come from islands around srilanka. Never materialized. Of course, Raman had been correct on many occasions too. What I am pointing out is, it’s not necessarily true for every prediction to turn out to be what it is. There are many over riding factors. In the case of string of pearls, the considered view of naval analysts is, there is no way it could have been stopped unless these ports (barring Pakistan) were developed by India.
    Have you read other posters, Jey and Mahesh, rightly pointing out that SL did approach India for the development of Hambantota first and only when India declined to take it up that it went to PRC? So, who was responsible for its inevitable push into the lap of PRC? GOI? Then should GOI complain about Hambantota’s use in future when it missed the bus in the first place?
    This is what I said as inevitability of certain developments in my comment in #225.
    You are evidently angry. That has perhaps pushed your normal self behind. Take a deep breath and cool down. I don’t understand why comments pointing to collective actions should be taken at a personal level.

  224. # 243 Kumar

    ” Any difficulty in understanding the above? ”

    This is how you ended your response to my comment. What made you presume i would have difficulty ? Did you think that there is a lack of cognitive ability on my part to understand your Quantum theory?

    I understand you have no qualms gravitating to a personal level when the other person disagrees with you. But when others reciprocate the same personal tone you start wailing immediately. Ref. 260.

    As far as Hambantota is concerned India will start getting worried if its national security is undermined regardless of the inevitability aspect. Already alarm bells have started ringing.

    India cannot leave the sensitive installations in the south unprotected. Which means beefing up security of the southern region. Euphemism for militarization.

    India is likely to go ahead with the Sethusamudram project in spite of the protests being raised by the BJP based on religious grounds and the reservations expressed by Sri Lanka.

  225. When I looked at Prabha’s mom’s picture I felt bad for her for loosing so many relatives at once. Then as a fair person, I was thinking, how many people Mr. Prabha had killed? How many tamil people he and his movement killed while they were crossing over to the Army side.

    The truth was this son of Vellupillai a played god. Now God took care of him and who helped him. “Goes around comes around”.

    See what had happed to his mother?

    By the way I am a proud and a compssionate tamil person from Jaffna.

  226. 264. Sinkaram

    Such marriages do happen. You do not and cannot plan those types of marriages.

    Your idea is a good one. Indians can marry Pakis, Arabs can marry Jews etc etc.

    Where ever two ethnic groups are fighting the members can marry among each other. What a wonderful idea.

    Though your idea appears to be good, to some it will mean kill the men and marry their women.

    Though it appears good some may find it funny.

    But keep coming up ideas. That is the only way one could land up in some really good one.

  227. #262, Nostradamus,

    I know that you are one of those that are more angry with India these days than with SL. Please keep your anger at a higher level and use it for boiling water. Your anger could do zilch to India as a country. And weren’t you the one who was talking about the great influence of TN politicos on Delhi’s foreign policy? What happened to that influence in April – May 2009? That’s why I ended my other response to you in the way I did. Didn’t Jey correctly point out that the show would have ended in 1987 itself but for Indian intervention? The idiot VP Singh made a great mistake in 1990 by ordering ipkf out. Had it stayed put for another year, the job left unfinished in 1987 would have been accomplished in 1991 itself. In retrospect, VP Singh did great harm to the tamil community than JRJ.

  228. DBS, the previous comment in reply to Nostradamus was mine. I submitted it before typing my name.

    Not to worry Kumar. Parentage established for Nobody’s child……….DBSJ

  229. 266. Kumar

    Didn’t Jey correctly point out that the show would have ended in 1987 itself but for Indian intervention?
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    Indian intervention was nil after 1991. But the show did go on. Then there was eelam war 2 and eelam war 3. Then came the CFA.

    All those days VP was in the SL territory.

    Evedently all these are home grown one. Only if there is some genuine grievance could this have been possible..

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    What happened to that influence in April – May 2009?
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    Though the Indiian govt would have helped you to win this war, it is also concerned with the lot of the Tamils in Sri Lanka. Please keep this in mind.

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    The idiot VP Singh made a great mistake in 1990 by ordering ipkf out. Had it stayed put for another year, the job left unfinished in 1987 would have been accomplished in 1991 itself. In retrospect, VP Singh did great harm to the tamil community than JRJ.
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    VP and RP joined together and asked the the IPKF to get out.

    In this the VP singh’s role was not that big.

    JRJ was the person who was the President of Sri Lanka when 1983 happened and the Welikade happened. Even VP had said that if JRJ had been a true Budhist then he would have had no reason to take up arms.

    It was during his term that the food and other essential commodities were denied to the Jaffna. Because of theat reason the IIndian govt had to intervene with Operation Poomalai.

  230. # 266 Kumar

    ” And weren’t you the one who was talking about the great influence of TN politicos on Delhi’s foreign policy? What happened to that influence in April – May 2009? ”

    Do you have any idea about the intervention of Chidambaram and Kanimozhi in April – May 2009. If you don’t know you can say ” I don’t know “.

    ” In retrospect, VP Singh did great harm to the tamil community than JRJ. ”

    Why this retrospection starts with VP Singh period. Why not from the training camp period ?

    This is what Jey said :

    ” Exerting diplomatic pressure,setting up training camps,the Indian government did all that.Heck,it even flexed its military might. ”

    Jey stopped short of calling Indians as eunuchs. You may have a different interpretation.

  231. 269. Nostradamus

    Exerting diplomatic pressure,setting up training camps,the Indian government did all that.Heck,it even flexed its military might

    Jey stopped short of calling Indians as eunuchs. You may have a different interpretation.
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    India wanted to hit, it didn’t want to hurt. That was the policy of India.

    India wants to see a United and prosperous Sri Lanka with the Tamils and other minorities enjoying equal rights.

    There was no Indian intervention after 1991. Then the show did go on.

    You were able to defeat the LTTE only with the help of India, China, Pakistan, US and UK.

    This only says that this is home grown and this could not have been possible without some real grievances faced by the Tamils.

    India has lost a lot of soldiers in SL. It wanted to protect the territorial integrity of SL.

    OUr soldiers have died for your country. That pains me.

    Again all the Tamils are being treated as terrorists.

    Sinhalese do not feel that they too have a responsibility to this.

    BC pact and the DC pact should not have been abrogated.

    Then there is the clergy. The Budha attained nirvana by meditating.

    The monks of the Sri Lanka are meditating on what?

    Why should they dabble in politics. They are behaving as above laws. I only wish they are outlawed.

    Monks are part of the problem. They are the fulcrum around which the Sinhalese politics goes around.

    Initially after independence the Tamils and the Sinhalese were living in peaceful manner. Then came the Sinhala only.

    Your monks are so politicised that one monk killed Bandaranaike.

    This is atrocious.

    Politics and religion are dangerous brew. When it is mixed as in your country how do the minorities live in peace.

    I wish you well.

  232. #269 Nostradamus,
    “Do you have any idea about the intervention of Chidambaram and Kanimozhi in April – May 2009. If you don’t know you can say ” I don’t know “.”

    I do not know many things. I agree, but I do know this. That you don’t know anything about Chidambaram. Period. If anyone in TN congress would be more than happy to see the ltte reduced to dust it’s none other than Chidambaram. Of course, he did make all the right noises about civilian casualties but everything was choreographed well in advance and enacted accordingly. Colombo was given to understand that they should do what they wanted to do without hindering the poll process in India. That was followed to the dot. As for Kanimozhi, she might have tried something, but you don’t know about her father, MK, a man of great practical wisdom. He would send his daughter to talk to Manmohan Singh about stopping armed operations and after she exited from that meeting would place a telephone call to Singh and tell him not to take what his daughter said to heart. You guys have no idea about TN politicians. That’s why you are still clinging to the lunatic fringe like Thiruma the Veruma, Neduma, Seema and Vaiko. Keep it up.

    “Jey stopped short of calling Indians as eunuchs. You may have a different interpretation.”

    I see that you have understood Jey well. And he also said something about biting the hand that fed. Perhaps you have some interesting take on that too. Well, my take is this. India committed a blunder by not reducing the ltte to dust in 1990 – 1991. One person’s personal animosity (that of VP Singh against Rajiv) played havoc with the lives of thousands. Colombo did well in 2009 but at much greater personal cost on both sides. In retrospect, such a heavy human loss could have been easily avoided if ipkf’s mission was allowed to reach its logical conclusion. You do have a point about training camps. India shouldn’t have done that. India lost the moral right to criticize Pak and Bangladesh about running training camps to islamic militants because of that. Again, personal animosity of a person (Indira against JRJ) played havoc with thousands of lives.

  233. #268, Mahesh,

    In 1987, the SL army was about to decimate the ltte in the Vadamaratchi operation. Indian intervention as operation poomalai was actually to stop this. Since direct military intervention in a sovereign country would be deemed as an aggression, India signaled its readiness by humanitarian intervention. The Indian news media played along with the govt and didn’t highlight the vadamaratchi operation. Now, would you agree why Jey was correctly saying that the show would have ended in 1987?

    If VP wanted, he would have easily coerced RP to allow the extension of ipkf’s stay. Do you seriously believe that a SL President can go against the wishes of an Indian Prime Minister without consequences?

  234. 272. Kumar

    Then why did the show continue after 1991 to 2009. India didn’t intervene after Rajiv. Then what prevented you to wipe them out in 1992. Why did you sign the CFA.

    This is a political problem. People are thinking of only military solution.

  235. 272. Kumar

    The Sri Lankan govt has the dubious record of using the food and other essential items as tools of war. The general population of Jaffna and other Tamil places were denied the food and other essential commodities by JRJ. That resulted in the Op POomalai.

    If you wanted the IPKF to stay in your country to fight your war then your President RP must have made the situation conducive for it.

    Instead of shifting the blame on to the Indian PM you should have put RP this question.

    RP supplied arms, ammunition’s and the money to ltte to fight the ipkf.

    Then what will the Indian PM do other than pull back his troops.
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    In 1987, the SL army was about to decimate the ltte in the Vadamaratchi operation.
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    This ltte is a guerilla organization. many a times before and after this vadamaratchi operation whenever the ltte had suffered reverses it would withdraw into the jungles and then it would make a come back.

    After the vadamaratchi came the ipkf. But the ipkf couldn’t wipe out the ltte.

    Then you brave tri-services fought against the ltte. They fought and fought for many years.

    Only in 2009 with the help of the India, Pakistan, China, UK and USA were you able to defeat the ltte.

    Don’t underestimate and ridicule your enemy.

  236. #274,Mahesh,

    “After the vadamaratchi came the ipkf. But the ipkf couldn’t wipe out the ltte.”

    The above line shows you didn’t fully read what I wrote. What I said was if ipkf had stayed on for one more year they would have wiped out the ltte in 1990-1991. I can only cite two examples to support my argument. Lt. Gen.Kalkat, who was the GOC ipkf, said in an interview to India Today that at the time ipkf left, ltte was reduced to a few hundred fighters and ammunition to last less than two months fight. He said, I quote, “We started winding down our operations in November and started pulling out units. Had the operation continued at October levels for another six months, ltte would be history by now”. Kalkat is not a man of empty boasts. Secondly, during the ceasefire period, ltte’s political secretary Tamil Selvam was asked in a bbc interview how he viewed the progress of the CFA and the negotiations. His reply was, “From a position of about two hundred fighters and just about a month’s supply of ammunition at the time of ipkf’s departure, now the ltte has come to have its own administration and in a position to talk to the SL govt on equal terms”. Look how tamil selvam unwittingly acknowledged what kalkat said. Would you still dispute Kalkat’s assessment?

    Yes, RP colluded with ltte but that doesn’t mean that India couldn’t have had a strong arm tactic there. In fact, VN Sharma, the then army chief, told VP Singh that it would be a military blunder to leave the job unfinished and all the sacrifices in men and material would go waste. VP Singh would not listen. That’s why I said that because of his personal animosity with Rajiv, his faulty decision resulted in the loss of thousands of lives.

  237. Good article. It is not understandable why Rajapakse govt missed lots of opportunities for reconciliation. If they have treated this couple well and let them join their daughter in Canada as she requested, govt could have score well among the Tamils. But unfortunately they are not civilised enough to understand it. How can we expect such things from this howkish president. He is no second to Prabakaran.

  238. 275. Kumar

    Then for this you have to question your leadership,

    Also you should manage your internal affairs in a better manner.

    You should not expect others to bail you out. You should not expect others to fight for you and then again go back to old ways of abrogating treaties and killing civilians.

    Thank God that India didn’t recognize ltte when it had under its control a substantial territory of sl.

    When the ltte was started it was started with only 23 members. So from that point of view if it had few hundred fighters then also it is a good number.

    In 1987 ltte missed a golden opportunity. Now let us see how the sinhalese are going to utilize this opportunity
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    Kalkat is not a man of empty boasts
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    The same Kalkat would say that VP was an outstanding military genius. Not many people are born with his caliber that frequently.

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    Yes, RP colluded with ltte but that doesn’t mean that India couldn’t have had a strong arm tactic there
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    Then it only shows how foolish and idiotic your political leadership is. For this why blame VP Singh or others. You have to blame yourselves for abrogating the BC, DC pact and then 1983, Welikade, Kaluthra etc.

    .

  239. #277, Mahesh,

    I think you have a fascination with ltte. Nothing wrong with that per se but to believe that they were all powerful is kind of misplaced. It is this mismatch with reality that led them to boast for 15 years (from 1991 till 2006) that they defeated world’s 4th largest army. People who didn’t know the fact that had the 4th largest army stayed for one more year there wouldn’t be anyone from ltte to even talk about, believed that boast. I hope you are not one of them.

    “The same Kalkat would say that VP was an outstanding military genius. Not many people are born with his caliber that frequently.”

    It was not Kalkat who said that. It was Maj.Gen Ashok Mehta who was GOC 58 Mountain division that was part of ipkf for 2 years. Please get your facts straight. Kalkat, in fact, had something on these lines to say. “They had a series of inter-connected tunnels. Prabhakaran would move from one tunnel to another like a rat. We had a very close shave on two occasions. Once when we had specific intelligence that he was in a particular tunnel and closed in on, he moved to another tunnel through these inter-connected passages. The maroon berets (Indian army special forces) missed him by just ten minutes. The place where he was sitting was still warm. It was only then that we came to know that these tunnels were interconnected.” Not very flattering huh!

    Btw, the language of your post indicates that you think I am a srilankan. I am sorry to disappoint you. I am an Indian and was born and brought up in TN. I wonder what gave you the idea. Is it that if anyone is against ltte he could not be from TN?. It’s people like you that are giving oxygen to the nut cases like Thiruma and Seeman.

  240. Kumar, whatever you say about the LTTE, how do you justify this?
    Sri Lanka holds the unique distinction of being the only nation on this earth which allowed a separatist group to have an air force and navy. I sincerely doubt if even the Somalian government would let that happen. And, for all the boasting the Sri Lankan Army is doing now, how come they had to take the help of three countries to defeat the LTTE?
    China, Pakistan and India played a big part didn’t they?
    And tunnels or no tunnels, the fact of the matter is that the Sri Lankan government had no idea whatsoever of Prabhakaran’s whereabouts. That’s the reason they killed him so many times. How many times is that? Two Dozen?

  241. 278. Kumar

    I am also an Indian. I didn’t talk anything about vaiko and thiruma. Don’t say anything about them to me.

    Gen. Kalkal also said like that. He said that in the television interview after 19 may. Kalkat also said that the motivation level of the ltte caders is very high, so that they complete the 9 months training that a jawan gets in three months.

    Whoever said doesn’t matter, Both Mehta and Kalkat are Generals.

    Why should somebody expect the India to clean the mess created by the sri lankan sinhalese. I do not know.

    I am not boasting about ltte and i also know that had india had stayed it could have given a crippling blow to the ltte. but we are only seeing one side of the picture when we talk about the ltte.

    There are also other players like the monks, sinhalese politics etc.

    Please also read what subramaniam swamy says about this lankan conflict.

    ‘Sinhalese are the main source of the problem. It is their insecurity which created this problem’, Subramaniam swamy would say.

    By the way nobody allows any rebel group to acquire air force or navy.

    They acquired it themselves. don’t ascribe any generosity to the sri lankan govt in this score.

  242. #279, Major
    “Sri Lanka holds the unique distinction of being the only nation on this earth which allowed a separatist group to have an air force and navy. I sincerely doubt if even the Somalian government would let that happen.”

    On the face of it, I agree that the above is correct. Having said that, I should also say that calling a collection of four single (piston) engine trainee planes as airforce would be an injustice to any airforce worth its name. Also, what you called as navy was only a flotilla of small boats not naval vessels in the conventional sense. So to call them as navy again would be an injustice to any navy worth its name. Please remember that the Indian navy had a tough time during ipkf operations simply because they couldn’t catch these small boats as Indian naval ships couldn’t come to shallow waters for danger of getting stuck in sand. They got around the problem by throwing a cordon from the eastern end and allowing only small ltte boats in the southern side. Their aim was to cut off arms supply and they achieved it. But they couldn’t stop injured ltte cadres being transported to hospitals in TN through the shallow waters. Lt.Gen. Depinder Singh wrote this anomaly very clearly in his book. That while the ipkf was fighting the ltte and losing men, the ltte was receiving material and medical support in TN with the blessings of the political masters (MGR in this case). I doubt you would find such a situation in any country’s conflict. One arm of the country is fighting someone and another arm is helping that someone. How strange!

    You say,
    “And, for all the boasting the Sri Lankan Army is doing now, how come they had to take the help of three countries to defeat the LTTE?
    China, Pakistan and India played a big part didn’t they?”

    What role are you talking about? Providing arms? Most countries in this world procure arms for their armed forces from outside. FYI, India gets approximately 40% of its arms through imports even today! So I wouldn’t fault tiny SL procuring arms from outside. And since India refused to provide lethal arms, they shopped around and got them from others. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Even today, India shops around for its howitzers and anti tank and anti missile missiles, planes and submarines and aircraft carriers. The point of turn for SL armed forces was a carte-blanche from the govt allowing them to import whatever arms they wanted and recruiting as many men as they wanted. In fairness, one needs to acknowledge this fact. MR doesn’t get his credit for nothing. Politicians should leave the business of fighting to the army by just providing them the facilities they require. The rustic MR realized this and he should get the credit for that. And finally, all the dirty work was done by the foot soldiers on the ground, fighting and dying. It’s very easy to say that this country helped, that country helped. But no foreign soldier was taking the bullet and dying here, right? Don’t forget the adage, it’s the man behind the machine that wins a war. Give the devil its due.

  243. #281, Mahesh,
    “Why should somebody expect the India to clean the mess created by the sri lankan sinhalese. I do not know.”

    Very true. But there is a bitter fact lurking underneath here. It was India that first provided training camps and nurtured armed groups in SL. It’s a wrong policy. Period. We should have the moral courage to admit that. Indira Gandhi, in her anger towards JRJ, forgot that you don’t create armed groups across borders as they have the potential to back fire one day. This is what is happening to Pakistan today vis-a-vis islamic terror groups originally aimed at India. India could have easily brought down SL to its knees by a few economic moves. In fairness to Rajiv Gandhi, he had the courage to realize this mistake and tried to correct the mistake without losing face.

    “Please also read what subramaniam swamy says about this lankan conflict.
    ‘Sinhalese are the main source of the problem. It is their insecurity which created this problem’, Subramaniam swamy would say.”

    I am 100% in agreement with the above. Swamy is the only guy amongst the politicians who has fully understood the SL problem. The sinhalese insecurity comes from their fear of the presence across pak strait of 65 million tamils, three times numerically stronger than their total population. It’s a psychological factor from the historical past of ancient kingdoms. They should understand that modern civilizations are different and TN is no longer a kingdom of chola period but a part of the Indian nation. Somehow, the sinhalese politicians have not helped reduce this anxiety of the masses. Most likely for petty political gains. The funny part is, today, even the non-resident sinhalese have this irrational fear of tamilnadu. If you visit the sinhalese so called defense forums and read their discussions, you find that they are mortally afraid of an imminent invasion from tamilnadu. Sometimes it provides me the much needed comic relief but seriously, somebody should drill this into the minds of the sinhalese that modern day tamils in TN have much better things to do than invade tiny SL like rajendra chozhan. I hope sense dawns on them sooner than later.

  244. Kumar – very true, the LTTE did not have huge war ships or fighter jets….but….they put what they had to good and devastating use against the SL Army. And, for a separatist group to even acquire these is no mean feat by any yardstick.

    After the war ended, a Pakistani General went on to publicly announce the Pakistanis had sent highly trained personnel and fighters to fight the LTTE.

    Here’s one of the links:

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=178592

    And here’s goes from the horse’s mouth:

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/land-forces/29444-pak-arms-officers-helped-lanka-rout-ltte-report.html

    Believe me, the Chinese have a bigger role in this war, than is public. Rajapaksa virtually handed them Hambantota on a platter. Wait till the Hans go asking for their pound of flesh. It won’t be too long, and Sri Lanka will feel sorry they ever slept with the Chinese dragon.

    India has always been plain stupid in it’s foreign policy. We now have the Chinese in our backyard. With their port in Hambantota, India is virtually a stone’s throw for the Hans. If only India was clever enough, we should have got Prabhakaran his Eelam, with the express understanding we would be given a couple of permanent bases in the country that is formed out of his Eelam. We could have policed the Indian ocean like never before with huge bases in the East and North. But alas, to our idiotic politicians, Rajeev Gandhi mattered more than our country’s future.

    The three countries in question did not just sell Sri Lanka arms. They planned, provided intelligence, supplied Arms, and fought the war for the Sri Lankans. In fact, it was India that hounded the LTTE’s supply ships in international waters for over three years.

    I cannot subscribe to the view that it took about three decades for a Rajapaksa to come along. Incidentally, Gotabaya the military genius who claims to have routed the LTTE, left the Sri Lankan Army after 20 years and learnt computer programming. He came back when Karuna decided to play the turncoat.

    Of course, not everything the LTTE did is right. Killing innocent Sinhala villagers getting off a bus, or bombing trains and buses is not what a group fighting for independence should be doing. The biggest blunder the LTTE committed was to have eliminated all opposition from other Tamil groups and positioned itself as the sole representative of Tamils. This alienated many Tamils and eroded their support base. Prabhakaran’s obstinacy also did not help. The LTTE’s downfall in my view came after Karuna left. It broke Prabakaran’s back and Rajapaksa was smart enough to leverage this to his benefit. Having been a trusted lieutenant of Prabakaran for over two decades, Rajapaksa knew he had a prize catch in Karuna. The Sri Lankan Air Force’s bombing became far more precise after Karuna joined the government.

  245. Kumar – very true, the LTTE did not have huge war ships or fighter jets….but….they put what they had to good and devastating use against the SL Army. And, for a separatist group to even acquire these is no mean feat by any yardstick.

    After the war ended, a Pakistani General went on to publicly announce the Pakistanis had sent highly trained personnel and fighters to fight the LTTE.

    Here’s one of the links: The News

    And here’s goes from the horse’s mouth: Defense.pk

    Believe me, the Chinese have a bigger role in this war, than is public. Rajapaksa virtually handed them Hambantota on a platter. Wait till the Hans go asking for their pound of flesh. It won’t be too long, and Sri Lanka will feel sorry they ever slept with the Chinese dragon.

    India has always been plain silly in it’s foreign policy. We now have the Chinese in our backyard. With their port in Hambantota, India is virtually a stone’s throw for the Hans. If only India was clever enough, we should have got Prabhakaran his Eelam, with the express understanding we would be given a couple of permanent bases in the country that is formed out of his Eelam. We could have policed the Indian ocean like never before with huge bases in the East and North. But alas, to our funny politicians, Rajeev Gandhi mattered more than our country’s future.

    The three countries in question did not just sell Sri Lanka arms. They planned, provided intelligence, supplied Arms, and fought the war for the Sri Lankans. In fact, it was India that hounded the LTTE’s supply ships in international waters for over three years.

    I cannot subscribe to the view that it took about three decades for a Rajapaksa to come along. Incidentally, Gotabaya the military genius who claims to have routed the LTTE, left the Sri Lankan Army after 20 years and learnt computer programming. He came back when Karuna decided to play the turncoat.

    Of course, not everything the LTTE did is right. Killing innocent Sinhala villagers getting off a bus, or bombing trains and buses is not what a group fighting for independence should be doing. The biggest blunder the LTTE committed was to have eliminated all opposition from other Tamil groups and positioned itself as the sole representative of Tamils. This alienated many Tamils and eroded their support base. Prabhakaran’s obstinacy also did not help. The LTTE’s downfall in my view came after Karuna left. It broke Prabakaran’s back and Rajapaksa was smart enough to leverage this to his benefit. Having been a trusted lieutenant of Prabakaran for over two decades, Rajapaksa knew he had a prize catch in Karuna. The Sri Lankan Air Force’s bombing became far more precise after Karuna joined the government.

  246. 283. Kumar

    So what are you trying to say. Are you saying Tamils are wrong. They should not fight back to protect their life and dignity and property.

    Are you saying that it is alright if they die to assuage the feeling of the inferiority complex of the Sinhalese. What are you trying to tell.

    In 1983 the genocide was inspired partly by the govt of the day so says Subramaniam swamy.

    Was that right.

    Any person or state or national group has the right to self defense.

    Is it wrong to arm a group of people in self defense.

    Then why did you arm the Mukthi bahini.

    Are you holding brief for human rights violators.

    Covert operations are common in the currency of any govt.

    Whatever training was given was given with the intention of giving the self defense capability to the militants.

    If sinhalese are having hallucinations, then it is their problem. For that tamils cannot be slaughtered.

  247. #288, Mahesh,

    “In 1983 the genocide was inspired partly by the govt of the day so says Subramaniam swamy.
    Was that right.
    Any person or state or national group has the right to self defense.
    Is it wrong to arm a group of people in self defense.”

    Did I ever justify violence? Don’t ascribe something to me that I never said. Btw, it’s known by all and sundry that the 1983 pogrom was orchestrated by JRJ’s goon squad. We don’t need Swamy to tell that.

    I am sure you are not joking when you say the following:

    “Whatever training was given was given with the intention of giving the self defense capability to the militants.”

    OK. If the above is correct, what about the following?
    In 2002, there was a pogrom in Gujarat. Muslims were slaughtered en mass . If Pakistan says that Muslims are oppressed and killed in India so they will give training to angry young Gujarati Muslims to enable them to protect themselves in self defense from the marauding Hindus, is that fine?
    Please, please and please don’t say that’s religion and this is ethnicity. Here the reaction is due to the affinity you feel. In the case of SL Tamils, you feel the affinity because they are from the same ethnic stock. In the case of Muslims, islam says that every muslim is part of the Umma, meaning they are one community. So, every muslim is bound to feel the affinity if he is a true believer of islam. So, there is justification in what Pakistan says even though it may be unpalatable to many of us. In the same way, there is justification for the POK training camps. It’s a fact (I know it from friends in Srinagar) that the Indian army’s presence in Srinagar, Baramulla and Sopore is very oppressive and the local people hate them passionately. So, is pakistan justified in operating the training camps in POK?
    If the above is correct, I agree that arming SL tamils by India was also correct.
    And you talk about Mukti Bahini. Yes, that was wrong too. Period. Indira Gandhi had super sized ego much bigger than her father Nehru’s. It manifested in many ways. Bangladesh war was one of them. There was a way to put Pakistan in the spot and screw Pakistan royally using the international community. India lost that opportunity by waging armed operation using its forces. The then prevailing cold war mindset was also partly responsible for her action. I wouldn’t blame her completely for that. Almost all nations had that mindset at that time.

  248. 289. Kumar

    Why are you comparing two issues diametrically opposite. I don’t get you.

    It is useless talking with you.

    Keep talking like this man. But nobody will believe that the sinhalese treated and will treat the tamils in a humane manner.

    We can wake up a person who is asleep. But we cannot wake up any one who is pretending to be asleep.

    Only because the world is convinced of the plight of the tamils that the canada, us, uk, australia etc have give shelter to the tamils.

    When we talk about the sri lankan problem you should concentrate only on that. You are deviating from the problem at hand.

    neengal pesuvadhu niyayamaaga enakku thonravillai.

  249. 290. shankar

    You can pick your nose , but can you pick your children.

    Sir. I don’t know what do you mean by this.

  250. #292-mahesh

    By detaining prabhaharans parents, the government probably got some satisfaction, but what can the parents do. You can’t choose your children can you?. You have to be satisfied with what god has given you. All their other four children were law abiding good kids , but one decided to go on a wrong path. What can the father do, other than tear his hair out. Hence my comment that you can pick your nose, but not your children.

  251. #289-Kumar

    In 2002, there was a pogrom in Gujarat. Muslims were slaughtered en mass
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    I believe that you have omitted to mention that hundreds of hindus were burnt alive in a train, before the reprisals against muslims started. In Srilanka in 1983 13 Army soldiers were ambushed and killed and state sponsored violence was unleashed on the tamils on a grand scale. So comparing these two is like comparing apples with oranges. Whenever the indian army soldiers are killed does the government take it out on the entire population that the insurgents belong to.

  252. #294,Shankar,

    “Whenever the indian army soldiers are killed does the government take it out on the entire population that the insurgents belong to.”

    I hope you are not talking like Mahesh here. The Indian army does take it out on entire villages if any of its convoys is ambushed in the north east. This is the sad story of the “seven sisters” (the north eastern states). Also, in J&K, if the army comes under fire, then the entire area is cordoned and searched and men are lined up and beaten till they see their mothers. I don’t want to sound like the human right nitwits here. Also, I understand the tremendous pressure under which the army functions in J&K. At the same time, I also do not want to condone some easily containable excesses by the Indian army. The AFSPA (Armed Forces Special Powers Act) should be repealed at once. The human rights abuses under this act are countless. The SL army abuses would probably rank as child’s play against the last 40 years of abuses of Indian army in the North Eastern states and the last 22 years of abuse in J&K (since 1989). That does not justify Paki operated training camps or Bangladesh operated training camps. The same goes for SL tamil scenario.

  253. #295-Kumar

    You have missed the point. Before blabbering on and on about the indian army whose character iam very aware of due to their illustrious and meritorious deeds in Srilanka,you should realise that i have mentioned that the government took it out on the tamil population, not the army.

    The problem with you is you get so intoxicated by your own exuberance and verbosity, you are unable to follow the fundamental rudiments of answering to the particuler points raised. In your acedamic career too, that is if you have one, if you follow that principle you will be an utter flop, unless it is a bogus Indian degree that proliferates like a mushroom all over the country.

  254. #295-Kumar

    You have missed the point. Before blabbering on and on about the indian army whose character iam very aware of due to their illustrious and meritorious deeds in Srilanka,you should realise that i have mentioned that the government took it out on the tamil population, not the army.

    The problem with you is you get so intoxicated by your own exuberance and verbosity, you are unable to follow the fundamental rudiments of answering to the particuler points raised. In your acedamic career too, that is if you have one, if you follow that principle you will be an utter flop, unless it is a bogus Indian degree that proliferates like a mushroom all over the country.

  255. #296,#297,Shankar,

    “you should realise that i have mentioned that the government took it out on the tamil population, not the army”

    I did realize that but it was you who didn’t know the facts about the Gujarat case. FYI, Mr. Narendra Modi, The Chief Minister of Gujarat, and some of his cabinet colleagues are facing trail in courts for their role in the riots that as govt ministers they prevented the state apparatus from acting and ordered collusion of the state police with the rioters. Now, this is for their role as part of the GOVT! If this is not govt taking out on its own people I don’t know what is unless you think that the muslims of gujarat are not the citizens of that govt. Also, army is part of the govt apparatus in any country. Please let me know if Army and Police are not part of the govt machinery of any country. I will stand corrected. When there is curfew imposed by the police, it’s always said that the govt has ordered imposition of a curfew to control riots. You speak as if the army or the police act on their own without any consent or order by the govt of the day.

    I didn’t want to elaborate on Mr. Modi’s role in my earlier post since I do have high regard for him for his corruption free governance but I am somewhat disturbed by the allegations against him of masterminding the riots and I just hope that they are not true. This is a case of my personal preference clashing with the overall morality of the situation. If Mr. Modi is clear of the charges of instigating riots, I want him to be the next prime ministerial candidate. He is the right person.
    Now you seem to have run out of steam. Don’t you worry about my academic career. It’s on a completely different plane (pun intended).

  256. #298 Kumar

    I am baffled by the fact that you are not able to discern obvious points, and i have to keep on pointing out these to you. It is not a case of running out of steam as you mention,but a case of becoming tiresome when dealing with a retard or a very stubborn person who wants to debate for the sake of debating. The reason i take such an interest in DBSJ’s valuable blog is not because i want to ram my views down other peoples throats, but because i appreciate constructive comments made by others, and when i do i read them carefully. In this blog we are able to understand other peoples minds and their way of thinking on various issues, whereas we can just go to google if we want knowledge. It has helped me to change my stance on issues.If you think that i did not know about Modi, before you gave me a belly full now you must be living in ga- ga land. You just can’t seem to get it that the fundamental difference in India and Srilanka is the rule of the law and its enforcement. A powerful Chief Minister has been taken to court in India whereas in Srilanka even the thugs who commited violent acts against tamils have not been prosecuted, let alone their political masters.

    It is difficult to make a stubborn person like you who has been born in the tranquil environment of tamilnadu to understand, unless you are prepared to tranfer your mind and fit yourself into a srilankan tamil’s shoes. On many matters i do that and visualise how i would react and feel if i was a sinhalese, and it has helped me to obtain a balanced perspective of the problem.

  257. #29,,Shankar,

    It’s very good of you to get into others’ shoes but that alone doesn’t suffice if you don’t appreciate ground realities. Your perception of the rule of law in India is akin to grass is greener on the other side story. Modi’s case is pursued vigorously just because of the extent of politics involved in it. What happened to the same rule of law in the anti-sikh riots case (pogrom) after indira gandhi’s death in 1984? I can count several such cases or no cases in many instances. The point is, both in India and SriLanka, the law is on your side if you are powerful and influential. Period. It’s improving slowly due to the increasing role of media. You can see that in the extent of their role in the recent election in SL and also the reaction after SF’s arrest. The same level of media spotlight wasn’t there in 1983 (SL) or in 1984 (Delhi). That’s a fact. I look at it from a pragmatic perspective. Could you think of the fate of Thissanayagam’s case had it happened in late 1980s or early 1990s? He would have been locked up for life. Of course, things are improving but slowly. You have to get this dose of reality and approach things accordingly. As I said before, if you don’t get this reality check you will remain a paper tiger irrespective of the extent of your riling against me.

  258. no mater what happend, mr velu was a typical ex gov servent as all of our “rosam illatha” fathers,but his son wether alive or not will be eelatamils leader b’se his ethics will lead a peacefull free & fair homeland for tamils,unless singhaleese will change dramaticaly their views on proper domocracy & monorities, for that singhaleese needs to elect a goverment which see everyone as their citizens regardsless tamil ,musleems or singhaleese,untill then there wont be any more “rosam illatha” velu,only “rosam” ulla fathers,imagine tamil fathers who engarege sons to be “vp”??? too good to tamils but 4 singhaleese?????no more nibbana!

  259. #300-kumar

    The point is, both in India and SriLanka, the law is on your side if you are powerful and influential . It’s improving slowly due to the increasing role of media.

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    Are you trying to tell me that Modi is not powerful and influential.

    As for the media comments you make, it shows how little you know about the media here. More than 15 journalists have been killed in the last few years alone and countless others beaten up and injured or have left the country. As for the last election covered by the media that you are crowing about you don’t even know that a poor journalist was kidnapped and is still missing just before the elections. That would have sent the proper message to the others.

    Your trying to pur Srilanka in the same basket as India is because i think you have not even spent one day in Srilanka. Srilanka’s culture is not asian but more akin to violence ridden latin america, as many names will also correspond to that region, of silva’s , fernando’s etc.
    The portuguese behaved like barbarians and polluted the asian culture. You had that problem only in goa, we had it in the whole country for more than hundred years, except the kandyan kingdom in the central hills.

  260. I realy feel sorry for Prabhakaran’s father. He was a good citizen of SriLanka. I think he has not supported his son to go against SriLanka.

  261. All true Sinhala patriots must get together and rise up against the Rajapakses. If we simply chant the heroic Generals name loudly the Medamulana monkeys will start defecating

    As our general warned we must send Mahinda to Bogambara, Basil to Welikade and Gotabaya to Boosa

    APPU

  262. Prabha was indeed a great leader, but his miscalculation and his attitude towards other militant groups lack of military strategies paved way for what had happened. Mahatayya is a great military genius, but due to pottu amman he was eliminated. The same attempt was made on Karuna, it cost LTTE . Pottu may have been a trusted LT of Prabha. But the fact is he was like a saguney to LTTE. He rang the dead bell of LTTE.

  263. Just returned from West Africa, I sadly can report injustice and descrimination from there as well. DSBJ has consistently reported on the SL situation for many years. If, as is claimed, ” the truth shall make your free” is correct, then this journalist (DSBJ) has done his part to foster the discussion that will lead to positive change. DJM

  264. DBSJ, When you criticised Dayan and gave the impression of a Mahinda stooge I sent you a stinker asking what post you are eying for. May be I misunderstood and please accept my apologies. I am a sinhalese catholic but more amazed with Buddhist philosophy. Some of the comments with the “para demala” versions are despicable. I do not agree with Prabhakaran or his violent, undemocratic ways but that doesnt mean we can justify everything some sinhala idiots are doing. On behalf of all humanly thinking sinhalese, I apologise to DBSJ and all tamils for all those derogatory comments. Please remember for most of us you are our own brothers and sisters and we feel your pain.

  265. Why the word paraiyillai (SAY) is commonly used in VVT area ? This word reveals some attachment to malayalam as the word is used in Kerala and not used in TN by the tamils.Nothing wrong using this word as many tamil words are used by sinhalese and vice versa.

  266. what a corrupt riigged election may the Rajapakse bros rot,Literate and affluent peoples have voted sensibly.only brainwashed ignorant villagers with false promises which have been made by singhalese government.

  267. This is a terrible story.I don’t sympathize with people who glorify suicide bombers and cyanide pills and care a damn for who gets killed or maimed in the bargain.No cause can justify this. I don’t sympathize either with the cowards in uniform who use heavy artillery,and jet aircraft to machine gun bomb and burn ordinary frightened people only because they belong to an ethnic grouping. I think an apology for an army who kill prisoners who have their hands tied behind their backs need mass counseling before being tried,found guilty and sent to a firing squad. I think that a joke for an army who need to tie the hands of young women behind their backs , shoot them, and open the clothes on the cadavers strategically to expose specifically the private parts and pose proudly for photos next to these which coincidentally also show their excited colleagues clicking away needs to be locked up and put for public viewing in a zoo.
    After seeing what I have on the net, I am not surprised that this “army” did what they did to the aged relatives of their enemies. I only hope the young children of the various people of the defeated insurgency were put to “sleep” less barbarically. Humane is a world we pompously invented from the word “human”. Funny, because animals never kill for fun!

  268. Who told that Prabhakaran became a Christian I think you got confused with his son being named Charles Antony .His son was given this name in memory of one of his favourite and closest lieutinants in LTTE.Please don’t confuse yourself and others.

  269. yes srilankan army did a wrong thing,which every parents of a child will condemn the way the army shot dead prabhakarans son.Now generally i would like to give you certain thinks the whole world condemns the way Prabhakarans terrorists men Killed srilankans Citizens and just born kids,without proper evidence i never speak out publicly,Prabhakarans men not only Killed thousands of Civilians but also killed very big army officers in Srilanka.No body Questioned this when he was mercilessly killing the civilians,do you know why.At that time media was not much powerful,but now every International reporter has the advanced phones/computer gadgets which they can record from any part of the world.
    I was very much pained in 1991 May 20th I still not come out of the Incident which our Former Prime minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi was Assassinated by the Prabhakarans men with the support of the congress people.If Sonia was not Involved in Rajiv Assassination Case why the Hell she sent her daughter to meet the Killers in Vellore Jail.Its a simple logic.Rajiv was made scape goat at the profit of Sonia Gandhi.just think twice.Now at the present situation the way she is taking congress is very Pathetic.many Congress Leaders were Killed in Accidents No Probe No Investigation.This is become very common in our Country.What happened to the C B I Investigation on BOFORS.Actually it was just Rs.67 crore Commission deal.For Investigating C B I Spent Rs.271 Crores.In this Main case you may be heard about Ottava Quttarachi an Italian Mafia and a Friend os Sonia was left free from the CBI.Why? The case is totally Closed.For Investigating this you remember Hindu Paper’s Mr Raman’s Wife she had just delivered a Baby she took the responsibility investigation and Published the Whole Transaction About the Bofor’s Deal Ultimately Bofors case is Closed.I have just givin you a sample of Sonia Gandhi.Many Cases filed by Mr Subramaniam Swamy against Sonia is still Pending in the Supreme Court.Why? You just Imagine………..How much powerful she is…………….

  270. Dear Jeyraj,
    Salutations to Veluppillai’s family. Unforgettable & unfortunate history. Saddens us to know as family values got lost because of one of his children and thereby its peace!!

    Nice article, surprising truths!! thanks. Nice to see your responses to bloggers!

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