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		<title>By: Ganesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ganesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best actors award nominations
1. Karunanidhi
2. Douglas
3. Sonia
Best Film: “நாடுகடந்த தமிழீழம்”</description>
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1. Karunanidhi<br />
2. Douglas<br />
3. Sonia<br />
Best Film: “நாடுகடந்த தமிழீழம்”</p>
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		<title>By: Robert P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#200...perhaps it is a case of CNA and his ilk being believers in tamil supremacy (or at least present themselves as one to get votes in core TN which is where their mayajaal would sell).. they considered tamil as the parent of telugu, kannada etc., instead of saying they came from same proto-dravidian source, which implies they are equal siblings. That&#039;s why they could not carry non-tamil dravidians along.

the vast majority of tamil as well as non-tamil non-brahmin dravidians had a major grouse against the domineering brahmin community grabbing most of opportunities which were in any case too little. This got settled in three ways - one by the gradual increase of opportunites, very gradual indeed but still a phenomenon (eg. many engineering colleges these days have trouble filling seats), secondly the purely mathematical phenomenon of numerically superior castes triumphing through ballot box once each person got a vote, and thirdly by brahmins themselves slowly moving to cities, leaving lands, migrating away to other states and pursue mostly clerical / mid level office careers on a pan-Indian scale initially and global scale subsequently and abandoning all political ambitions somewhat like Chinese in Indonesia..

With that whatever little enthusiasm that was there for the rabble rousing speeches got eroded and smart *MK politicians started quietly abandoning their anti-hindu and anti-god rhetoric by covertly and then overtly embracing all the trappings of religion. It is now common to see ADMK posters full of leaders sporting &#039;thiruneeru&#039; and I guess the DMK men are just waiting for MK to pop off before doing same. From a religious stand point, what 80+ years of &#039;self respect&#039; movement has achieved is that there is a temple every street corner, and a &#039;baba&#039;, dubious or otherwise, every postal district!

This combined with the characterless personal lifestyle and disgusting conduct of *MK leaders not to speak of corruption on grand scale made a mockery of all the high principles they were spouting on stage. They still win votes but ideology has been flushed off long since.

I think we are seeing a revival of Congress in TN, perhaps years after it paid a heavy price for infighting, over-ambitious leaders and foolish schemes like Kula Thozhil by Rajaji.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#200&#8230;perhaps it is a case of CNA and his ilk being believers in tamil supremacy (or at least present themselves as one to get votes in core TN which is where their mayajaal would sell).. they considered tamil as the parent of telugu, kannada etc., instead of saying they came from same proto-dravidian source, which implies they are equal siblings. That&#8217;s why they could not carry non-tamil dravidians along.</p>
<p>the vast majority of tamil as well as non-tamil non-brahmin dravidians had a major grouse against the domineering brahmin community grabbing most of opportunities which were in any case too little. This got settled in three ways &#8211; one by the gradual increase of opportunites, very gradual indeed but still a phenomenon (eg. many engineering colleges these days have trouble filling seats), secondly the purely mathematical phenomenon of numerically superior castes triumphing through ballot box once each person got a vote, and thirdly by brahmins themselves slowly moving to cities, leaving lands, migrating away to other states and pursue mostly clerical / mid level office careers on a pan-Indian scale initially and global scale subsequently and abandoning all political ambitions somewhat like Chinese in Indonesia..</p>
<p>With that whatever little enthusiasm that was there for the rabble rousing speeches got eroded and smart *MK politicians started quietly abandoning their anti-hindu and anti-god rhetoric by covertly and then overtly embracing all the trappings of religion. It is now common to see ADMK posters full of leaders sporting &#8216;thiruneeru&#8217; and I guess the DMK men are just waiting for MK to pop off before doing same. From a religious stand point, what 80+ years of &#8217;self respect&#8217; movement has achieved is that there is a temple every street corner, and a &#8216;baba&#8217;, dubious or otherwise, every postal district!</p>
<p>This combined with the characterless personal lifestyle and disgusting conduct of *MK leaders not to speak of corruption on grand scale made a mockery of all the high principles they were spouting on stage. They still win votes but ideology has been flushed off long since.</p>
<p>I think we are seeing a revival of Congress in TN, perhaps years after it paid a heavy price for infighting, over-ambitious leaders and foolish schemes like Kula Thozhil by Rajaji.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert P.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DBS sir, a very nice article, I am rushing to read the earlier two parts...and look forward to the last part. Very well articulated, balanced and forthright.

The only other comparable piece of writing on this topic I can think of is Kannadasan&#039;s excellent book in which he talks about his DMK days, his disillusionment and his eventual parting of ways with them.

I can see more than a hint of sarcasm in that you seem to see *MK politics as more of rhetoric and less of action. But you express it quite softly. 

Kavignar Kannadasan also narrates a very interesting anecdote of MK getting a gold ring as a &#039;reward&#039; from CNA which MK himself had in fact purchased and given  to be &#039;presented&#039; back. CNA of course, talks in his usual flowery language about how he roamed street after street to find a suitable ring for his &#039;thambi&#039;. True or not, this seems to capture the essense of the so-called movement  which has now become a money minting franchise for some families and a cinema dialogue talk shop for others. Sadly, the SL tamils have relied on these jokers and have suffered too as a consequence.

Talking of TRM and the song from Malaiyitta Mangai, there is another anecdote from TFMPage archies - it seems Kannadasan roped in TRM to play the lead role amidst a lot of opposition from his party (then DMK) because TRM was a brahmin - to placate them this song was created where TRM is asked to sing the praise of &#039;dravida naadu&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DBS sir, a very nice article, I am rushing to read the earlier two parts&#8230;and look forward to the last part. Very well articulated, balanced and forthright.</p>
<p>The only other comparable piece of writing on this topic I can think of is Kannadasan&#8217;s excellent book in which he talks about his DMK days, his disillusionment and his eventual parting of ways with them.</p>
<p>I can see more than a hint of sarcasm in that you seem to see *MK politics as more of rhetoric and less of action. But you express it quite softly. </p>
<p>Kavignar Kannadasan also narrates a very interesting anecdote of MK getting a gold ring as a &#8216;reward&#8217; from CNA which MK himself had in fact purchased and given  to be &#8216;presented&#8217; back. CNA of course, talks in his usual flowery language about how he roamed street after street to find a suitable ring for his &#8216;thambi&#8217;. True or not, this seems to capture the essense of the so-called movement  which has now become a money minting franchise for some families and a cinema dialogue talk shop for others. Sadly, the SL tamils have relied on these jokers and have suffered too as a consequence.</p>
<p>Talking of TRM and the song from Malaiyitta Mangai, there is another anecdote from TFMPage archies &#8211; it seems Kannadasan roped in TRM to play the lead role amidst a lot of opposition from his party (then DMK) because TRM was a brahmin &#8211; to placate them this song was created where TRM is asked to sing the praise of &#8216;dravida naadu&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: shankar</title>
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		<dc:creator>shankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just can&#039;t understand Annadurai&#039;s strategy of Dravidanadu , when there is no support at all from the leaders of the other 3 south Indian states.

The conclusion i come to is either he did not have common sense, which i find a from a man of his calibre difficult to believe, or he was just playing a political game and was never sincere about it in the first place.

The impression i get is by hanging onto  Dravidanadu  in lieu of a Tamilnadu seperate state, he seems to have deliberately sabotaged the latter.

If he was really sincere he would have gone for both and said whichever comes first we will take it. A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Anna, you took everyone for a good ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t understand Annadurai&#8217;s strategy of Dravidanadu , when there is no support at all from the leaders of the other 3 south Indian states.</p>
<p>The conclusion i come to is either he did not have common sense, which i find a from a man of his calibre difficult to believe, or he was just playing a political game and was never sincere about it in the first place.</p>
<p>The impression i get is by hanging onto  Dravidanadu  in lieu of a Tamilnadu seperate state, he seems to have deliberately sabotaged the latter.</p>
<p>If he was really sincere he would have gone for both and said whichever comes first we will take it. A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.</p>
<p>Anna, you took everyone for a good ride.</p>
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		<title>By: shankar</title>
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		<dc:creator>shankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what i can glean from this article is Nehru and kamaraj were the principal architects of eradicating seperatism, taking it out with its roots and all.

There is a lesson to learn from this for Srilankan leaders.

1.  The president of Srilanka should devolve sufficient powers to the northern and eastern provinces so that the Chief Ministers  can function effectively.

2. Get a Chief Minister elected from the Presidents own party to run the provinces{ such as Kamaraj of  the Congress party}

3. See that these Chief Ministers are efficient blokes who can deliver the goods for the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what i can glean from this article is Nehru and kamaraj were the principal architects of eradicating seperatism, taking it out with its roots and all.</p>
<p>There is a lesson to learn from this for Srilankan leaders.</p>
<p>1.  The president of Srilanka should devolve sufficient powers to the northern and eastern provinces so that the Chief Ministers  can function effectively.</p>
<p>2. Get a Chief Minister elected from the Presidents own party to run the provinces{ such as Kamaraj of  the Congress party}</p>
<p>3. See that these Chief Ministers are efficient blokes who can deliver the goods for the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Karthick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karthick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir,
 
I have been reading your articles... they seem to be unbiased with a lot of facts
 
I have questions with regards to this article
 
In this article dated 9 Oct2009, you mentioned the final and fourth part would appear the following week, I do not see it anywhere on your blog, did I miss it ? If yes, can you please let me know where the final part is ?
 
I am very eager to read that part to get your perspective about my state&#039;s history.
 
Thanks and Regards
Karthick

DBSJ RESPONDS:

Dear Karthick

This is a reply to you and many others particularly from Tamil Nadu or Tamil Nadu origin abroad who sent me mails and posted comments on this matter.

This was an extended article I wrote for my regular weekly column in &quot;the English newspaper &quot;Daily Mirror&quot; published in Colombo. The articles were simultaneiusly posted on my blog.

What happened was that I was not keeping well for two weeks and could not complete the final article as planned

Meanwhile developments in Sri Lanka have taken new turns and I had to focus more on topical or current issues for &quot;Daily Mirror&quot;.

Even the one on the 1962 coup is particular relevance to the current situation .

Since I wrote the series for &quot;Daily Mirror&quot; I have to write the last part there. It &#039;s not proper for me to write it on my blog or elsewhere.

As interesting developments are unfolding rapidly in Sri Lanka I am not able to write on this historic development of the fall of Tamil Nau separatism right now

But I am planning to write the final part during the Christmas- New Year period where events in Sri Lanka are expected to slow down

Please bear with me until then

I am very sorry to disappoint readers interested in that subject

My apologies for this long delay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,</p>
<p>I have been reading your articles&#8230; they seem to be unbiased with a lot of facts</p>
<p>I have questions with regards to this article</p>
<p>In this article dated 9 Oct2009, you mentioned the final and fourth part would appear the following week, I do not see it anywhere on your blog, did I miss it ? If yes, can you please let me know where the final part is ?</p>
<p>I am very eager to read that part to get your perspective about my state&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>Thanks and Regards<br />
Karthick</p>
<p>DBSJ RESPONDS:</p>
<p>Dear Karthick</p>
<p>This is a reply to you and many others particularly from Tamil Nadu or Tamil Nadu origin abroad who sent me mails and posted comments on this matter.</p>
<p>This was an extended article I wrote for my regular weekly column in &#8220;the English newspaper &#8220;Daily Mirror&#8221; published in Colombo. The articles were simultaneiusly posted on my blog.</p>
<p>What happened was that I was not keeping well for two weeks and could not complete the final article as planned</p>
<p>Meanwhile developments in Sri Lanka have taken new turns and I had to focus more on topical or current issues for &#8220;Daily Mirror&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even the one on the 1962 coup is particular relevance to the current situation .</p>
<p>Since I wrote the series for &#8220;Daily Mirror&#8221; I have to write the last part there. It &#8217;s not proper for me to write it on my blog or elsewhere.</p>
<p>As interesting developments are unfolding rapidly in Sri Lanka I am not able to write on this historic development of the fall of Tamil Nau separatism right now</p>
<p>But I am planning to write the final part during the Christmas- New Year period where events in Sri Lanka are expected to slow down</p>
<p>Please bear with me until then</p>
<p>I am very sorry to disappoint readers interested in that subject</p>
<p>My apologies for this long delay</p>
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		<title>By: shankar</title>
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		<dc:creator>shankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DBSJ

The Fonska fiasco distracted us and we strayed away from this  important artcle. There is a very important para which i reproduce below.

&quot;Nehru being an enlightened leader saw that linguistic nationalism within Indian borders could tear the fabric apart unless it was contained through appropriate adjustments. He decided to re-structure Indian states on a linguistic basis&quot;.

Though Nehru was an enlightened leader, the catalyst for him doing this was the agitation made by Tamil leaders and Telugu leaders, one for Dravidanadu and the other for Andra Pradesh. As a result the whole of India seemed to benefit from a new model because of the racket made by these two.

Why I brought this up was in contrast to these tamil and Telugu leaders in India, our Srilankan Tamil leaders such as GG. Ponambalam etc were like pussycats. I wonder why was that? if the tamil leaders at that time agitated for a Federal state at the time of independence, don&#039;t you think we could have avoided all this civil war. An enlightened sinhalese leader would have given a federal state based on linguistic lines. By the time SJVC  brought it up it was too late. The Sinhalese had started thinking colonisation was the answer. The 50:50 proposal of GG seems to be the cause of the present plight of the Tamils, when i compare what happened in India to what happenned here.

Anyway better late than never,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DBSJ</p>
<p>The Fonska fiasco distracted us and we strayed away from this  important artcle. There is a very important para which i reproduce below.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nehru being an enlightened leader saw that linguistic nationalism within Indian borders could tear the fabric apart unless it was contained through appropriate adjustments. He decided to re-structure Indian states on a linguistic basis&#8221;.</p>
<p>Though Nehru was an enlightened leader, the catalyst for him doing this was the agitation made by Tamil leaders and Telugu leaders, one for Dravidanadu and the other for Andra Pradesh. As a result the whole of India seemed to benefit from a new model because of the racket made by these two.</p>
<p>Why I brought this up was in contrast to these tamil and Telugu leaders in India, our Srilankan Tamil leaders such as GG. Ponambalam etc were like pussycats. I wonder why was that? if the tamil leaders at that time agitated for a Federal state at the time of independence, don&#8217;t you think we could have avoided all this civil war. An enlightened sinhalese leader would have given a federal state based on linguistic lines. By the time SJVC  brought it up it was too late. The Sinhalese had started thinking colonisation was the answer. The 50:50 proposal of GG seems to be the cause of the present plight of the Tamils, when i compare what happened in India to what happenned here.</p>
<p>Anyway better late than never,</p>
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		<title>By: Rishikesh Bhide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rishikesh Bhide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear DBS,
I am a marathi man living in UK hence with no direct-connection with your area-of-expertise, however I must confess I am hooked to your writing since I came across your blog a few months back. 
Keep up the good work. and I so wish that you wrote on more universal things.
Regards,
Rishikesh

Thank You.I will try and write on other matters in the future......DBSJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear DBS,<br />
I am a marathi man living in UK hence with no direct-connection with your area-of-expertise, however I must confess I am hooked to your writing since I came across your blog a few months back.<br />
Keep up the good work. and I so wish that you wrote on more universal things.<br />
Regards,<br />
Rishikesh</p>
<p>Thank You.I will try and write on other matters in the future&#8230;&#8230;DBSJ</p>
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		<title>By: shankar</title>
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		<dc:creator>shankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to comment 189-mercator

But they don&#039;t know that do they. Keep this top secret. Classified. For your eyes only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to comment 189-mercator</p>
<p>But they don&#8217;t know that do they. Keep this top secret. Classified. For your eyes only.</p>
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		<title>By: mercator</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>185 Shankar
 &quot;Thamizh are on the horse in the merrygoround, some are on the “kazuthei’, some are on the swan, and some on the tortise&quot;

Poor analogy I&#039;m afraid  All the creatures on the ride are going around and up-and-down at the same speed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>185 Shankar<br />
 &#8220;Thamizh are on the horse in the merrygoround, some are on the “kazuthei’, some are on the swan, and some on the tortise&#8221;</p>
<p>Poor analogy I&#8217;m afraid  All the creatures on the ride are going around and up-and-down at the same speed</p>
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